Compaq Deskpro EN vs. Windows Genuine Disadvantage

[kargaroc386]

I know this video is old but I want to say that I hope that those P3s have some kind of faster method of data transmission then just the bus speed, 1100 Mhz on a 100 MHz bus seems like it would be awfully slow.  I'd keep the 100MHz version for something else.

[EtheradeLioncourt]

This computer is similar to the HP E-PC C10 that i had, Same CPU, chipset, but it was the e-pc form factor with a 3.5-inch bay for the HDD and a Laptop CD Drive Bay, it also ran Windows XP

[TechTipsForYou]

Hey vwestlife. Don't know if you remember me but I commented on your old Compaq Deskpro vid with my old account. I wish I still had this computer. Was a great little machine and it was pretty fast for daily use and for 20 bucks, I just considered that a great deal. I currently don't have that computer but man this made me think of what I used to run back in 08-09 lol. Great vid

[Gordonfreeman882]

tell me about soo adatpater for tulatin please or give me a link??

it´s important

[Dell0304]

This computer is very similar to my Dell Optiplex GX110. Same CPU, chipset, form factor, everything.

[yorgle11]

I got one of these machines today at a thrift. I was surprised mine has a 1.13GHz in it. I haven't figured out how to remove the heatsink yet but it must be a Tualatin, not a Coppermine (or it would be melting). I intend to try the ultimate P3 in it, a P3-S 1.4Ghz/512KB.

Check the model code on your chipset. If it's SL5NQ, it's a B0 stepping which supports Tualatin (might still need a BIOS flash maybe). There might be other Tualatin-compatible SL codes but that's the one I've seen documented.

[yorgle11]

Oh dude - you have THE keyboard!

Our first PC was a Wang with that same keyboard, I used it for many years and to this day I still can't type nearly as well on anything else.

One fateful day my dog stepped on it and broke the space bar, and I've been in mourning ever since. Every time I search ebay I come up empty.

I'm using that IBM Model M everybody raves about.. it's well built for sure but I can't type on it to save my life, I hope I can find one of those Wangs again.

[MichaelYoshiFan]

i have the same compaq deskpro EN 866 MHz :) 512 MB ram and 15 GB harddrive and cd-rom drive

[james42519]

yeah my HP vs19e has speakers but i don't use them too. got it free from a computer store that was recycling. didn't turn on but i replaced the 3 caps that these monitors seem to have trouble with and it works. sp3 showed up in the update thing on the computer for me too. i didn't need to use the site for any updates.

[james42519]

wish my thrift stores had stuff like that.

[talldude123]

Odd, my copy of Windows XP Professional SP3 is a volume license, however, it downloads updates, passes validation, etc. It was off Pirate Bay.

[Unicornguy]

Nice little machine. I rather like Compaqs and HP pcs.

[PINKBOY1006]

takes twelve volts right.

[themaritimeman]

It's amazing how well the Deskpro EN performs, given it's age. I don't know if it was a well thought out hardware design or what, but I don't think you'll find a better performing Pentium III computer.

I've also maxed the RAM on mine (shame it can't be upgraded further), put my 40 GB hard drive in it, a DVD-RW drive, and a Firewire card. I've also acquired a 1 GHz processor to replace the 933 MHz unit with. It's a very good video editing machine!

[EtheradeLioncourt]

Are you going to keep it or possibly sell it?

[vwestlife]

@TheMercedes300d Westinghouse has put their name on some consumer electronics too. I remember seeing Westinghouse TV sets and DVD players. I think they were sold at K-Mart.

[ChiefLeftenant]

@vwestlife also at Walmart. i got me a stereo 4 head Westinghouse VCR at Walmart for like 100 bucks about 10 years ago that it finally died about 2 years ago. i also got a Panasonic stereo 4 head VCR that got destroyed when i moved about 7 years ago. I really need to get a decent VCR again so I can digitally archive all my VHS movies.

[Trance88]

Wow! Nice older computer. Probably one of the oldest that's still capable of doing most normal computing today. When is if from? 1999 or 2000 maybe?

[vwestlife]

@Trance88 Yes, it is from 2000.

[TheToploaderwasher]

Westinghouse does make real monitor. But its still a Chinese made one. :-)

[uxwbill]

It's also interesting to see that yours has Intel 815 graphics. Every one I've found has an nVidia GeForce MX100/200 chip built into the motherboard, right under the PCI slots. (Does yours have solder pads there?)

[vwestlife]

@uxwbill Both of my Deskpro ENs have Intel i82815 graphics. I do recall seeing lots of blank real estate on the motherboard under the card riser, with unused solder pads.

[andruha11234]

there is a torrent that will remove all files that have to do with Microsoft checking if it's genuine. You can then upgrade and install anything you want.

[vwestlife]

@andruha11234 No need. I have now changed it to a product key which Microsoft considers to be "genuine".

[NJRoadfan]

Well then find a key that works ;)

I'll take the PIII, I got a 440BX board here that can use an upgrade (just needs a slotket). A 550Mhz PIII can't cut it on youtube anymore. :(

[vwestlife]

@NJRoadfan It only cost me about $7 on eBay. And I noticed that Opera 11.51 plays video smoothly on the EN, while Firefox 6.0.2 is jerky (lots of dropped frames).

[uxwbill]

Tualatin CPUs *do* technically work, but they're all FC-PGA2 types and therefore you need an adapter--at least that is true of the fullsize desktop case machines. The last Compaq BIOS adds support for the new CPUs.

The problem is that FC-PGA2 to FC-PGA adapters are made of Unobtainium. Which is too bad, considering the impressive number of 1.2GHz FC-PGA2 Pentium III CPUs I have and would like to use.

Keep your 133MHz FSB if you can--a 900/100 P3 CPU felt slower in mine than the 866/133 it had!

[KhanTutorials]

I can give u a torrent for xp media centre 2005? =) SP3

[vwestlife]

@KhanTutorials I already have it, but there is no need for Media Center on this computer. I will try changing the product key for the current installation, and that should work.

[KhanTutorials]

@KhanTutorials ok =)

[bamdadkhan]

imho don't install sp3 at all. you can get security updates and patches for sp2, and sp3 really slows down older computers (in my experience at least).

[yeoldeengineer]

I regularly get to work with first-generation P4 systems these days. 1.7 GHz Willamette heaters, XP SP2, 256 megs of SDRAM on i845 (dedicated graphics, thankfully). Needless to say, "crawl" is more appropriate than "run" when both Firefox (with a buncha tabs) and OpenOffice are in use.

I'd stick with the 1.0EB, the 1.1E is likely to be slower.

Oh, a dual 500E will run YT acceptably (360p max, d/l helps). That's what I have here.

[tghbenz99]

Genuine Advantage is not required for SP3, just use a legit copy of windows to download a redistributable SP3 installer, then install that on the bootleg copy, i do it all the time

[JinzoDefiler]

why the hate you all? Win XP sp2 is perfectly servicable. OMG its old is getting old.

[spunker88]

Or just run Windows 2000. It will be less demanding on RAM than XP and the latest Firefox still supports it. Plus no WGA!

[vwestlife]

@spunker88 But why downgrade a perfectly good running machine? This computer is not a toy; I use it to do audio recording and other work.

[an65001]

@vwestlife You think Windows 2000 is a toy OS? XP is! I only use XP to play, but use Win2K and Win7 for real performance. And I am sick of seeing XP computers, however I do hope I vomit on them LOL. :P

[umajunkcollector]

I still use my old PB P100 w Dos 6.22 and Win 3.1 - for old DOS stuff.

[giammyzanna]

The service pack 3 only slows down the machine.

[an65001]

But for such an old machine, Windows 2000 is better.

[tsskiller08]

Have you tried flashing your NEC DVD burner with a custom firmware? I did that to my Pioneer to bypass region encoding and other limitations.

[macintoshgermany]

Elektronischer Teile KAtalog :)

[vwestlife]

@an65001 Why?

[an65001]

@vwestlife Just ignore that, what might work good is Windows 2000, if you want to put that on... Windows 2000 does not have P.O.S. WPA or WGA. I just crack my Windows XP PC and not use Genuine services from Microsoft. In Windows 2000 none of such is necessary. If I will get a Genuine warning on my 2011 Windows XP laptop, I swear to god I will put Linux as Windows 2000 won't install here...

[an65001]

Windows 2000 or 98 don't have such crap, you could use them...

[MrAnRvideos]

I think DVD-R means erasing data files on a DVD

[CenaTv2]

I hope that's not your main computer, because that's very old technology, and i would hate to have to use it.

[vwestlife]

@CenaTv2 See my video "IBM ThinkCentre SFF desktop PC (P4 3.6 GHz)". That's my main computer at home.

[Knaeckebrotsaege]

"I've seen conflicting information on whether or not a later "Tualatin"-core Pentium III CPU will work directly with its motherboard"

depends on which stepping of the i815 chipset the board has.

the later B-stepping i815's support tualatins out of the box

look at the northbridge for the SSPec codes.

SL5NQ and SL5NR support Tualatins, SL4DF and SL552 don't.

also, in opera, you have to click on the youtube player once to activate it. if you don't, video performance suffers (even on my quadcore)

[NobbysPcHelp]

there are cracks you can install to make it genuine

[wobblyman2000]

what can i say "go linux "

[vwestlife]

@wobblyman2000 While I support Linux in theory, in actual practice I need an operating system to get work done, not to play around with. Linux may work well for a small minority of people, but it does not fit my needs.

[Radu287]

@vwestlife I have the same opinion.

[bamdadkhan]

@vwestlife well said. linux is awesome and i use it full time, but i really can't stand evangelists who don't understand that you should use the os that fits your needs.

[94gwilliams]

Interesting that it still runs YouTube so well. I have an old Celeron 1.2GHz Machine sitting about as a loaner computer and it struggles to run youtube even with the ATI Radeon 9200se AGP card I installed. *sadface*

[Visuttaja]

@94gwilliams

1ghz Pentium 3 is more powerful than 1.2ghz Celeron ;)

[vwestlife]

@Visuttaja It also depends on which web browser you use. Opera is a *lot* faster than Internet Explorer. In fact, Opera 11 on this old 1 GHz Pentium III runs faster than IE 8 on my Dell 3.4 GHz Pentium 4 at work!

[CavemanPerson]

@Visuttaja A 1.2GHz Celery would outperform a 1GHz P3. Both have the same amount of cache, but the Celeron is a Tualatin, which is faster clock for clock.

[LAUGHINGMANWILL]

@Visuttaja cache size does matter lol