So in Hitchens's world the universe is unjust and we have to try our hardest to fix it
In this Christian's world, the universe is unjust and we have to try our hardest to fix it, even though there's a guy who could do it all effortlessly sitting there and watching over us and this guy knew it was going to happen but allowed it to occur, that is morally despicable, and this guy is insane to spout such nonsense.
If someone had seen such an abused woman, and allowed it, that is not Christian. You do not say, she’ll have a better life after she’s dead. You say, how can I help this woman right now..
WLC pretty quite sleezy fucker!!!!! Cant control the debate and out gunned, coward. I'd like him to use philosophy to explain that poor girls suffering.
A lot of people seem to be pouncing on the moderator's statement that Christianity is for the dumb, the weak, the lame. This wasn't a slip or an unwanted admission, this was the point: Jesus came and died for EVERYONE, rich and poor, young and old, black and white, smart and simple.
Furthermore, doesn't it commit the genetic fallacy to assume that because simple people believe Christianity, that Christianity itself isn't true?
I can't BELIEVE that they cut out the intro to this video where Craig, Strobel, Wilson, Guthrie & Dennison did their ridiculous little dance before they took the stage!!!
The mod isn't a dummy; it's clear the poor guy suffers from a neurological distress and inferiority disorder; something I myself did before proper meds brought my dopamine levels back to normal.
What he's saying is that the only pleasure and comfort he knows how to draw from is that of theism (and its prey mechanism on the human brain's reward circuit), and how he'd [probably] allow logic to rid him of illogical theistic nonsense if he [medicine would do] could handle this uneasiness.
I think C.H should've been allowed to respond to each person.
Otherwise, people forget all the unchallenged assertions the four men made---but since they were unchallenged, that doesn't mean they can't or aren't.
What's unbelievably disgusting is that if she didn't believe in God, she would be sent to hell. What kind of monster not only watches his "children" suffer, but will continue their suffering into the next life if they refuse to bow to him?
Hitchens completely dumbfounded every one of these guys with the Josef Fritzl story in relation to god's all seeing and all knowing bullshit. If there is a god, she sure isn't trying very hard.
The moderator is an idiot: at 1:44 he said that Hitchens' philosophy is for the strong and the intelligent. If you think about it, that statement implies that Christians are weak and stupid and that's why they need/have religion. Putz, he just insulted the panel and the audience.
He ain't lying. Joseph Fritzl, though not a genocidalist or mass murderer, still has to rank as one of the most evil (and evil looking) men ever. That case in Austria is disturbing beyond belief.
Haha, he'll have a resurrection body? As in "Night of the Living Dead?" Eeeek! If you see that dude with pink skin, lumbering at you and groaning about "braaaaains," run for your life!
I believe Hitchens set up a straw man in answer to the moderators question. The question was what can Hitchens' philosophy offer to the weak and unintelegent. Easy question to answer when you consider the barriers religion has placed in the way of progress.
the moderator is saying he's weak, he expresses a longing to be rid of his physical disability which he believes will happen when he dies.
clearly he's got an obstacle preventing him to get to terms with his disability, that obstacle is wishful thinking, directly linked to his religious beliefs.
I can't believe that the panel tries to justify such a tragedy....it's sad. The only religion that people need to live by is one of Humanistic ideology. The world would be a better place.
@hobgoblinlkjfdsa his physical deficiencies don't make him untargetable with postulation. if he had been bodily attacked, THAT would have been unfair. two intelligent people who are knowingly standing on opposite sides of a debate need not waste time worrying about whether or not the other person has cerebral palsey
having watched again, i suppose i'm just not seeing what you are. he is being passionate, but not "shouting" as i interpret it. he didn't leave his chair. he was debating. perhaps i'm the on who's wrong, but i don't see intimidation. based on the way these two continue to interact after this clip, i don't believe the moderator himself made that connection. having said that, i haven't seen the entire debate yet. working on that as we speak. or type
God, as we know this concept, is a product of our minds, our little minds. I don't like saying this, but look at how you white folks used / use this as an excuse for world domination. Oh yeah, 911 was an inside job.
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Poor Hitchens. He is so ignorant of Christian philosophy and the bible. It's kind of sad to see him have this emotional meltdown in public which shows the true reason behind his bitter atheistic crusade.
Poor Apologists. They are so ignorant to real life and logic. It's kind of sad to see them have this meltdown in public which shows that they are mewling idiots pleading that they're imaginary friend is real.
what a sad sad individual. asking a stupid question like that in the hope that hitchens will say, "ok, you shold have god in your life because you are not smart, and so you should pretend"
It's sad to me that people can listen to Hitchens and still go believing in God. Do these people just shut off their brains when he talks or did they not have one in the first place? fucking self centered morons
Love the discomfort you see in the body language of the panelists when Hitchens mentions Rape and Sodomy. Think of how uncomfortable it had to be for the person who had to endure it...these guys...I am lost for words in the face of such cold indifference. The "let god sort it out" argument as a rationalization is simply a pathetic one, it is a way to escape the gruesome, to flee responsibility, to find solace in a sand dune. I have nothing bu t respect for Hitchens for pointing this out!
I agree: In fact the phrase I thought came from a military commander came from a Bishop in the first crusade. Against christians who did not agree with the popes authority or the hypocrisy. Some soldiers who has a conscience when questioning how they should tell the difference (and not kill innocents)
were told by the Bishop "Kill them all God will know his own"
So they did Woman Children Babies the Lot - all forgiven as sins in advance by the Pope
Exactly. How dare these idiots claim moral high ground while saying that the loving god allowed this, watched with indifference just because it will be alright in the end... - tantamount to seeing a child bleeding and saying, "Oh, I'll fix it later" - HATEFUL...
if god wanted me to believe in him, he knows what it would take to convince me. he knows nothing less will suffice. if god gave a flying shit whether or not i went to heaven he could accomplish that with ease. the fact that so many people who already believe supposedly get proof of gods existence constantly kinda proves god only takes care of his own. why dont i get the special visits and magical help? because he doesnt care if i go to hell or not.
Wilson: "Hold on, justice is coming, every tear will be wiped dry, every wrong will be put right, everything will be straightened out. Trust me, it will be reconciled, it will be put right." This is always forever coming, and never here now. Hope in the future, not in the present. I can't show you the justice now, but just you wait! Have faith and keep waiting!
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Christopher's rant on the poor woman who was raped by her father or what not for 24 years, you have to think, 24 years is like the blink of an eye compared to eternity. It was God's plan for that to happen, just as Jesus was crucified, peter was crucified upside down, and paul was beheaded like the john the baptist. We live in a fallen world, things like this happen, but we will receive eternal life with our Creator. That makes up for what we go through easily
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That's based on your worldly definition of love. You are given more than enough time to accept Christ, to have a relationship with your savior, but you choose to ignore it and turn away. He has used so many people to try and reach you in the world, yet you don't believe. I pray someone will get through to you. I don't wish for you to burn in hell, I don't wish that for anyone, but I wish that all of us would be filled with love for Jesus.
To others reading the original comment by mkitche3, please don't vote it down because other people should see the sick twisted "christian" logic for what it really is. As for the woman being raped for 24 years, mkitche3 says that It was God's plan for that to happen
to mkitche3: I am trying to wrap my head around what you are saying. So do you think that for your god to allow her to be raped & tortured for 24 years is excused because she will receive eternal life with our Creator. That makes up for what we go through easily. If you were being tortured daily for 24 years, I dont think it would seem like the blink of an eye to you. If she prayed to your god to rescue her & he didnt,how is he a loving god? You people are sick with twisted logic.
What if that poor woman who was raped was not christian?
Where is your god's master plan then? He knew before she even existed that she would live abused all her life and going to hell, yeah what a good god.
2:13 Bahahahahahahahahah you have to be fucking kidding me!! ahahahah ive never laughed so hard in my life..This dumb ass moderator just dissed his own religion by saying its for weak and stupid people!. haaaahahahaa
This is just classic - the moderator insinuates atheists are arrogant and elitist.
It's beyond petty - such twisted logic! Someone who claims to be connected to and intimate with the creator accuses those who make no such claim of being arrogant.
They have the all powerful creator of the universe on their side, but atheists are arrogant. Very nice.
We have a record of all the names and genealogies going back to Noah and all the names of the genealogy back to Adam and Eve. There is no actual recorded human history beyond that. We have to go with the information that we have. We cant be making up things.
How do you explain Revelation 6:13, about the stars falling to earth? It doesn't make sense. The guy who wrote it must have thought all the billions of stars were tiny little things.
Anger in itself is not bad only the reason for it. For example I am angry and don't forgive thieves that knock a disabled person out of their wheel chair to rob them.
Atheists have their individual tolerance levels and may be angry because
-they came to discover the things they were taught by family and clergy were all wrong.
-theism as being deceptive — and, hence, harmful to society.
-discrimination because of their disbelief in gods.
@VideoAudioDisco09 Hitchens is angry because he drinks. Seriously, atheists have no reason to be angry because they are as unfaithful as the next person.
@VideoAudioDisco09 Atheists and evolutionists need to be angry at themselves for believing in their fantasy cult teaching. We have to have vision to see what we are doing and where we are going. It is the ability to reason well. You also can't knock visions that are true and come to pass. You can't even explain that. You can't explain how God told Adam and Eve about Christ 6,000 years ago.
Name a few visions that are true and come to pass.
Also just were does it say in the myth book God told Adam & Eve about Jesus.
At least get the stories that even scholars who believe in them admit there is no proof of correct
It does say Jesus was descended from Incest and a Moabite as well as Ammonite these two people are cursed by god and never to enter the congregation EVER. I know you can contradict this which is the point, but it is in the bible.
@VideoAudioDisco09 Yeshua/Jesus died for all sin. Do you really want to know about the first time that God spoke of a Savior (God) being born of a woman? That is hard to believe that you would even care. Check out the book of Daniel for visions that have come to pass. You don't know what you are dealing with.
I'm dealing with an entrenched social myth and a desperation for easy answers to the hard questions of life. Apart from that could you give me a specific proven prophecy.
Everyone I know has been born of a woman - something seem odd to you.
To prove prophecy wasn't written after the fact, one must find the earliest copy, the date must be BEFORE the event occurred. Daniel runs into problems, as all evidence suggests it was written long after its alleged "predictions".
@VideoAudioDisco09 It is not every day that a Savior (God) is born of a woman. Events usually are written after they occur. Prophecy is written before they occur. The first mention of Christ was to Adam and Eve. That is all you need to know for now but there are many more. The most important thing for you to know is that Yeshua (God's Son) came in the flesh meaning that He was born into this world. There is nothing mythical about that and we actually did kill Him.
@VideoAudioDisco09 The first mention of Christ is not that hard to find in Genesis. As soon as Adam and Eve sinned (for the first time), word of the provision of sin was given to them. God said that the seed of the woman (a Savior/God) would crush the dragon's head (because no one else could). Every other prophecy in Scripture after that is based on the fact of the salvation of God (Yeshua/Jesus) being born of a woman.
@Seekmosttoprophesy I came from my mother as well. How do you know that I am not god made flesh to save you from your idolatry? Why do you deny the truth and the light?
@VideoAudioDisco09 The word "seed" is singular and crushing the serpent's head is something that only God can do Himself. We should have known that. Only God can be our Savior. Micah says a ruler from the days of eternity would be born in Bethlehem. Other places say He will be called Mighty God and Eternal Father. There are many hints for anyone who cared to know. Even Enoch talks about the "Son of Man" many times. (That is who Yeshua said He is.)
Please reference these verses save me time looking for them.
Like Micah 3:12 Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble, the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets. Which has not happened.
The only reference usually used is about someone called emanuel not jesus.
Lets see bethlehem yes the narative needed an reason joseph would go there, I know we will write it was for a Roman Sensus. Opps never happened. but then how would hey know that.
@VideoAudioDisco09 How would you know what they had to do unless you were there. They lived the experience and there is no better source of information. The reference is Micah 5 : 2 and Jerusalem did become a heap of rubble overgrown with thickets. Mark Twain said there was nothing but rocks there. Yeshua (Jesus) means "the salvation of God". Whenever it talks about salvation (that only comes from God), it is talking about Jesus.
@VideoAudioDisco09 It was Mark Twain that said there was nothing there in Israel. The dead sea scrolls are a collection of books many of which are Scriptures such as Isaiah.
@VideoAudioDisco09 There is nothing you can say about the flood because you were not there. The only thing that you can say is that there are fossils from a worldwide catastrophic event.
Courts could convict no one unless they were there or had a credible eye witness.
No volcanos every erupted if you were not there.
This is a joke - your taking the piss. You can't possibly believe this. I have been had very well. You sucked me into thinking you were a religious zealot with little understanding of science, and biblical studies or reality. Very good.
@VideoAudioDisco09 That is just the point. We have to go by the information that we do have. We cannot be making things up and saying that it is a fact. Address the issues. The facts are true regardless of anything else. Don't just jump to conclusions, face the issues. Attacking me or other Christians does not change any of the facts.
Twain's identified the use of the prophetic genre which he used in his writings.
He is known to have scorned literal interpretation of Revelation.
Grew up in Mississippi and of course was taught the that they little patch has a great part to play at Armageddon. He also witnessed to Millerites go up a hill and wait for the end due October 22 1844. Due to prophetic visions or interpretation
So you provide no reasonable position against anything I said.
You think that prophecy is predicting the future, though no examples, within the accepted criteria. You probably believe the Bible was written as one book and it was by those names on the chapters.
You use a miss translated greek version to Jesus to mean what it does not.
You can't accept he was one of many messiahs running around even though they are recorded in what you claim is the best source.
@VideoAudioDisco09 You know nothing about what the Bible says. Don't ask me about it unless you really want to know what it says. You know nothing about prophecy so there is nothing that you can say about it.
@VideoAudioDisco09@VideoAudioDisco09 If the dinosaurs have been gone for millions of years, the Bible would not have been able to describe them. That is the whole point that you miss entirely. Dinosaurs were still here 4400 years ago because the flood buried them.
@VideoAudioDisco09 You don't have to be a mechanic to understand that the elements of the universe are nanomachine parts that work when accompanied by preexisting designs. You have to address the particular issues. You have to give examples of what you are talking about. You can't just make broad statements. You don't know about Bible prophecy.
I have no idea what you mean Elements as in elements chemical?
Light elements (those up to lithium on the periodic table) were mainly created in the Big Bang. All other elements are products of nuclear reactions occurring in stars and supernova explosions. We have a comprehensive understanding of how a star evolves, as it converts hydrogen and helium into heavier elements. These heavy elements are disseminated by stellar winds and supernova explosions.
@VideoAudioDisco09 No kidding, the elements were made by a big explosion, well they just happen to work perfectly in nanomachines that work with intent and purpose by design inside of you obeying the orders of billions of observable digits of preexisting directives.
That prophacy in the bible remailns unproven. Acctually to be fair prophets on thoes days were not just predicting the future. They were claiming to speak to the deity and passed on the messages. Traditionally, prophets are regarded as having a role in society that promotes change due to their messages and actions. Many cultures had them. Technically if behaviour changed the predicted outcome would to.
@VideoAudioDisco09 Would you stop misspelling prophecy? You are getting warn on the fact that behavior changes the outcome. It is belief that changes the behavior and outcome. It is vain to believe that rocks or objects can do anything because they don't and believing in them only causes depression. Wise men from outside of Israel came and found the Christ child. They were overjoyed to find Him. Your slander is not worth very much.
We have to have vision to see what we are doing and where we are going.
Sticking your nose in a 2000 year old myth that has been debunked and wishing it were true. Is not looking ahead it is hiding from the present and afraid of the future without a crutch. Funny thing is read the myth and your not included at all.
The best you have is to keep bleating THE THEORIES OF EVERYTHING ARE WRONG as if they will Suddenly be wrong because you want it.
@Seekmosttoprophesy Then Adam & Eve missed a GREAT party in Iran & Georgia, because they were making wine 2,000 years before those two appeared in the Garden. The Turkic people had cities 5 to 7 THOUSAND years before your 4,004 BC genesis model.
@coco7010 Where are your genealogies to back up your dates? Where are the guages for your dating methods? The flood was 4400 years ago. The Creation was 1600 years earlier and I have the genealogies to prove it. There is no actual human history or calendars that are any older than that.
@Seekmosttoprophesy Wine jugs with preserved fermentation sediment, Chinese characters WITH THE DATES ON THE PAGES, Olmecs cuniforms, all of these predate the silly geneologies of the Semitic tribes. The ancient cities of Jericho (8,000 BC) and Catal Huyuk (10,000 BC) are MUCH older still. Their age has been verified many times. Your beliefs are racist, ignorant and deny the glory of other cultures outside the Judeo-Christian experience.
@coco7010 We already know the actual date of Jericho. That is evidence your guage for measuring time is off. The Chinese calendar goes back to the time of the flood. You need to be more scientific in your conclusions.
@Seekmosttoprophesy Whats is YOUR gauge? A Geneology that is a Greek translation of an Aramaic dictation of a Southern Hebrew dialect translated into Latin > Vulgar Latin > Greek again > Proto- French > Early English> High German > Elizabethan English > to Modern English > Do you even REALIZE how far off the bible is to its original meaning? Can YOu tell me the significance of John the Baptist phrase, "God can make children for Abraham out of these stones." Can you translate this from Aramaic?
@coco7010 My guage is actual historical accounts that have the genealogies of real people to prove it. Obviously, God can make children for Abraham from stones. He is the originator of nanotechnology.
@Seekmosttoprophesy 99.8% of Christians do not even understand the bible's message! The John Baptist passage was translated into Greek from Aramaic & instantly lost the message. In Aramaic, "Ben" means BOTH "son" & "child". The plural is "banim". "Eben" means "stone, the plural is "ebanim". God is able to make "banim" from "ebanim". This is a clever play on words. Yet most Christians will NEVER get the humor & insights offered in the Tanakh. Do you know about the "eye of the needle?"
@coco7010 The camel gate or whatever has nothing to do with the issues of Creation. A play on words is nice but don't forget what the issues are. Objects don't do anything.
@VideoAudioDisco09 You have no idea of what you are talking about. The Bible is totally righteous and pure. It is honest about the things that people do but you would know about that since you have not thoroughly studied it in an unbiased way without any preconceived notion.
I and many atheists (not ex christian atheists) are the one who studies it without preconceived belief or intense brain washing. So we see it is crap. Man made, contradictory, full of evil and its interpretation has changed over time to suit the audience. The Ex christian atheist took off the blind fold and really looked or went to investigate atheist and science claims, found them true and realized the had been duped and scammed by professionals. Open your eye's.
@VideoAudioDisco09 You are brainwashed by evolutionist beliefs. I can prove your beliefs are wrong because the Bible describes two living dinosaurs. It is observable historical evidence of the life forms that we have found the bones of but never seen ourselves. You are the one who has been duped and scammed by liars. Snap out of your trance.
There are no evolutionist beliefs to brain wash anybody. A belief system/religion requires a few things to be a belief system, common sense does not.
Education, Observation, Testable Facts, Evidence, Peer Review this is not a belief it is the reality of life around us have a look.
The discredited Behemoth again, here is a tip In Russian Begamot In Hebrew B'Hemot In Armenian Begemond IN English Hippopotamus getting any idea yet. This would be the best fit if not myth
@VideoAudioDisco09 There is no sense in evolution. It breaks every rule of science. Your peer beliefs do not prove anything and your hippo does not have a tail like a cedar. The hippo is not near as much as a "dumb beast" as a sauropod either.
How can a theory arrived at by following the rules of science then be said to have broken those rules. This is stupid, it arrives at what is not what anyone happens to want the answer to be. Sorry.
My beliefs prove nothing ABSOLUTELY CORRECT the facts and evidence do.
No one can agree on what the Behemoth is or is not. There is plenty of reasonable thought suggesting Hippo-modified or an Elephant.
-Maybe a drug induced vision- I'll post one such version next...
@VideoAudioDisco09 People arrive at false conclusions all the time while actual history is proven time after time. People couldn't agree on Behemoth because it did not fit the description of any known living animal but it does fit the description very well of a sauropod the same as Leviathan fits the description of Spinosaurus.
I'm not sure wha your first sentence is saying. History is proven and disproven as evidence comes to light. Hippo is the best candidate because there is a 65 million year gap from dinosaurs and odern man (not a conclusion an observable fact).
There are candidate myths one from Ethiopic Apocalypse of Enoch dated second century BCE. Also its tail moves as a ceder and is the size of a ceder.
It sits under a lotus tree, not a very big tree you realise.
@VideoAudioDisco09 You fail to realize that sauropods, as described in the Bible, stayed in the water. Any kind of tree would be cover for it. Descriptions of living sauropods and Spinosaurus like creatures are evidence that they were living at the same time as humans. Science cannot contradict actual historical accounts of dinosaurs.
I won't bother with the simple errors in your statments.
What I realise is that you want it to be a dinosaur. The bibile is a book of faith not an historcal record. That doesn't mean it doesn't mention actual places or reference actual people it does, like James Bond. There is NO OTHER historical record claiming dinosaurs.
Science has shown that dinosaurs were gone 65 million years before modern man.
@VideoAudioDisco09 If the dinosalurs had been gone, they wouldn't have been able to describe them. Even the Chinese calendar has a dragon in it. Those who wrote the Bible were the only ones or ones of few who had a mind to record such things. You can't date something that has been 100% contaminated by its surroundings that is of another (apparent) age. The real age of things has to be known from actual historical records.
@Seekmosttoprophesy YOU CANT BE SERIOUS. Do you believe in fire breating flying dragons too.
Dinosaur and mammalian fossils were occasionally mistaken for the bones of dragons and other mythological creature; for example, a discovery in 300 BC in Wucheng, Sichuan, China, was labeled as such by Chang Qu.[3] Adrienne Mayor has written on the subject of fossils as the inspiration for myths in her book The
@VideoAudioDisco09 You do not seem to understand that dinosaurs used to be called dragons before they were called dinosaurs. There is no indication that the biblical description of a Spinosaurus like creature flew or had wings. You just love to confuse yourself. It was a very large sea monster that could walk upright on land. God took the time to describe it so we could know about it.
Dinosaurs used to be called dragons- this is the first thing you got right I think.
You have gone from Sauropods to Spinosaurus neither of which is aquatic, want to throw in a third?
"It was a very large sea monster that could walk upright on land" Not Godzilla was it. There were two monsters in the myth in fact a third is mentioned too, Ziz.
We also therefore have records of Medusa, Minators, Goblins, Trolls, Apollo, Zeus and so on. It is all stories for children.
So in Hitchens's world the universe is unjust and we have to try our hardest to fix it
In this Christian's world, the universe is unjust and we have to try our hardest to fix it, even though there's a guy who could do it all effortlessly sitting there and watching over us and this guy knew it was going to happen but allowed it to occur, that is morally despicable, and this guy is insane to spout such nonsense.
jfriscuit 1 month ago
The Fritzl example has them all beat if God has a plan, that abuse was part of it. God therefore would have to be uncaring and unfeeling
jackflash341 1 month ago
Dear Hitch. You are missed greatly. I will throw shots back tonight in your honour.
samgimages 2 months ago
Personal conclusion here; I don't think the moderator has the slightest grasp of the Christian message thus is probably not a Christian.
CamtronianDaBarbaric 5 months ago
The moderator is a poe, I say. A poe!
SocialDissimulation 5 months ago 2
If someone had seen such an abused woman, and allowed it, that is not Christian. You do not say, she’ll have a better life after she’s dead. You say, how can I help this woman right now..
OmegaX2Z 6 months ago
WLC pretty quite sleezy fucker!!!!! Cant control the debate and out gunned, coward. I'd like him to use philosophy to explain that poor girls suffering.
lordrazr 6 months ago
Thank you for posting this, hopokuk.
writersblock26 7 months ago
A lot of people seem to be pouncing on the moderator's statement that Christianity is for the dumb, the weak, the lame. This wasn't a slip or an unwanted admission, this was the point: Jesus came and died for EVERYONE, rich and poor, young and old, black and white, smart and simple.
Furthermore, doesn't it commit the genetic fallacy to assume that because simple people believe Christianity, that Christianity itself isn't true?
TheSeanWilson 7 months ago
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I can't BELIEVE that they cut out the intro to this video where Craig, Strobel, Wilson, Guthrie & Dennison did their ridiculous little dance before they took the stage!!!
You can still see the clip here: youtube.com
/watch?v=ZLtR8_qw_yM
mouthyweasel 7 months ago
Common Sense 1 Religious Nonsense 0
vashna3799 7 months ago
haha, Hitchens PWNS
=3
TAz69x 8 months ago
The mod isn't a dummy; it's clear the poor guy suffers from a neurological distress and inferiority disorder; something I myself did before proper meds brought my dopamine levels back to normal.
What he's saying is that the only pleasure and comfort he knows how to draw from is that of theism (and its prey mechanism on the human brain's reward circuit), and how he'd [probably] allow logic to rid him of illogical theistic nonsense if he [medicine would do] could handle this uneasiness.
=3
TAz69x 8 months ago
1 liar, 1 dummy, 2 confused, and 1 rational thinker.
mouthyweasel 8 months ago
HAHAHA! Christian friendly fire LOL
xn117 9 months ago
The mod told it how it is.
lewdie 9 months ago
The mod is a retard...no, really.
ConzenEW 9 months ago
Hitchens has very sound arguments, especially about the idea of god and religion being totalitarian. It is the DEFINITION of totalitarianism.
xn117 10 months ago
HOLY SHIT!
DID THE MOD JUST SAY THAT CHRISANITY IS FOR DUMB,WEAK PEOPLE?
OMG!
willdrake1 10 months ago 15
@willdrake1 Realization is a bitch...
TheWonderDoc 6 months ago
@TheWonderDoc
I mean, we all think it, but to have one who believes say it...I just can't get over it.
willdrake1 6 months ago
@willdrake1 I'm puzzled about your reaction... I thought this was obvious? It has been for me, since I was about 4.
martinbuzora 2 months ago
@martinbuzora
I thought my humor was clear?
willdrake1 2 months ago
I think C.H should've been allowed to respond to each person.
Otherwise, people forget all the unchallenged assertions the four men made---but since they were unchallenged, that doesn't mean they can't or aren't.
willdrake1 10 months ago
Poor Douglas, he just can't help himself. You just got your tail end and your beliefs handed to to you..... shut up!
runningsrunnings 11 months ago
Christopher vs 5 opponents!
AdamDLDixon 11 months ago
7:00 on was pure ownage.
ccline84 1 year ago
LOL@ Craigs face when the bias mod say 'Christianity is for people who are not intelligent' !!!!!!!!!!!
shawndimery 1 year ago
Josef Fritzl and Christopher Hitchens.
Two creatures that have evolved into what they are?
congalocke 1 year ago
LOL @ hitchens roman joke.
xn117 1 year ago
What's unbelievably disgusting is that if she didn't believe in God, she would be sent to hell. What kind of monster not only watches his "children" suffer, but will continue their suffering into the next life if they refuse to bow to him?
abx547 1 year ago
Hitchens completely dumbfounded every one of these guys with the Josef Fritzl story in relation to god's all seeing and all knowing bullshit. If there is a god, she sure isn't trying very hard.
McLarenF1God 1 year ago
The moderator is an idiot: at 1:44 he said that Hitchens' philosophy is for the strong and the intelligent. If you think about it, that statement implies that Christians are weak and stupid and that's why they need/have religion. Putz, he just insulted the panel and the audience.
bhaalthus 1 year ago 7
@bhaalthus That moderator is dead on.
auroradamien 8 months ago
@bhaalthus He did not imply Christianity was ONLY for the weak. He made the case Jesus accepts you for who you are.
YesYou123333 7 months ago 3
Wilson REALLY needs to read about evolution. Not a single biologist in the world just took his argument seriously.
GodTheHypothesis 1 year ago
this is by far my favorite clip so far of this debate...and only because wilson stopped his rambling opening speech 10 seconds into it.
Delinexwow 1 year ago
and how do they know this... oh what a surprise the magical "faith".
Of course they don't know that.
And the fact of the matter if there is no universal afterlife justice then quite clearly you just have to deal with the fact that shit happens.
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
3:00 Hitchens makes an arrow shape with his hands and the two glasses on the table! :O
Definitely proof that God is giving us a sign of Him watching this debate!
LanteanKnight 1 year ago
Hitchens has the Christians running for cover here.
Aydosh1991 1 year ago
He ain't lying. Joseph Fritzl, though not a genocidalist or mass murderer, still has to rank as one of the most evil (and evil looking) men ever. That case in Austria is disturbing beyond belief.
JiangZiyaTabooDays 1 year ago
Haha, he'll have a resurrection body? As in "Night of the Living Dead?" Eeeek! If you see that dude with pink skin, lumbering at you and groaning about "braaaaains," run for your life!
JiangZiyaTabooDays 1 year ago
so if unbelief is the position of the strong and intelligent, what does that say about belief-or from the way the questioner phrases it- believers?
burnhippiesforfuel 1 year ago
@coco7010 Intent and purpose is what makes Jack the life form that he is... by design.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
This is one of my favourite Hitchens responses, brilliantly eloquent and straight to the point.
eradeziel 1 year ago
@eradeziel Hitchens gives credit to objects for things they cannot do.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
Fucking idiots. That is perhaps the most immoral belief that anyone can have.
darkillity 2 years ago
BOOM shakalaka! That was a moral values smack down towards the end of this segment.
AmericanCritiquer 2 years ago
I believe Hitchens set up a straw man in answer to the moderators question. The question was what can Hitchens' philosophy offer to the weak and unintelegent. Easy question to answer when you consider the barriers religion has placed in the way of progress.
peoplepowered1 2 years ago
and example of how religion poisons something.
the moderator is saying he's weak, he expresses a longing to be rid of his physical disability which he believes will happen when he dies.
clearly he's got an obstacle preventing him to get to terms with his disability, that obstacle is wishful thinking, directly linked to his religious beliefs.
beebobox 2 years ago
If there is a God Hitchens would surely put that sadistic bastard in his place the moment he met him.
TheNorthFuck 2 years ago 4
I can't believe that the panel tries to justify such a tragedy....it's sad. The only religion that people need to live by is one of Humanistic ideology. The world would be a better place.
BreenLite69 2 years ago
Justification? Are they saying it was okay for Fritzl to do what he did?
hobgoblinlkjfdsa 2 years ago
It's really unfair of him to shout at the guy with cerebral palsy. What a dick.
hobgoblinlkjfdsa 2 years ago
@hobgoblinlkjfdsa his physical deficiencies don't make him untargetable with postulation. if he had been bodily attacked, THAT would have been unfair. two intelligent people who are knowingly standing on opposite sides of a debate need not waste time worrying about whether or not the other person has cerebral palsey
irishninja37 2 years ago
Shouting is physical intimidation.
hobgoblinlkjfdsa 2 years ago
having watched again, i suppose i'm just not seeing what you are. he is being passionate, but not "shouting" as i interpret it. he didn't leave his chair. he was debating. perhaps i'm the on who's wrong, but i don't see intimidation. based on the way these two continue to interact after this clip, i don't believe the moderator himself made that connection. having said that, i haven't seen the entire debate yet. working on that as we speak. or type
irishninja37 2 years ago
God, as we know this concept, is a product of our minds, our little minds. I don't like saying this, but look at how you white folks used / use this as an excuse for world domination. Oh yeah, 911 was an inside job.
josephortizgarcia 2 years ago
9/11 was not an inside job and your conspiracy theories are ridiculous, stay off of the internet with your schizophrenic bullshit.
Vomitonthecross 2 years ago
This mediator said himself: atheism is a philosophy for teh inteligent and christianity is not LOL
feliciofeliz 2 years ago 10
and yet ....he still believes it.....oh the power of wish thinking
enors412 2 years ago
Great answer by Hitchens. Couldn't agree more.
Petejacket87 2 years ago 7
hitchens is brillant
sparle222 2 years ago 16
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Poor Hitchens. He is so ignorant of Christian philosophy and the bible. It's kind of sad to see him have this emotional meltdown in public which shows the true reason behind his bitter atheistic crusade.
observer75 2 years ago
Poor Apologists. They are so ignorant to real life and logic. It's kind of sad to see them have this meltdown in public which shows that they are mewling idiots pleading that they're imaginary friend is real.
TreeRaper 2 years ago 10
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gixxr6FLY 2 years ago
anti-theism comes from knowing what the bible (or qur'an) says god IS, and detesting it, finding it completely abhorrent. god is disgusting
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago 4
actually, the philosophy of anti-theism is mainly a philosophy for the honest and honorable.
all that other stuff comes later or is optional
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago 5
dignity!!!!
christianity takes away dignity! it says, you are nothing without god. it cripples you so that it may be your crutch
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago 8
that first question...
what a sad sad individual. asking a stupid question like that in the hope that hitchens will say, "ok, you shold have god in your life because you are not smart, and so you should pretend"
sad individual
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago
It's sad to me that people can listen to Hitchens and still go believing in God. Do these people just shut off their brains when he talks or did they not have one in the first place? fucking self centered morons
enors412 2 years ago 4
what can you say, they love god
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago 4
Imaginary friends have their advantages...they can't tell you what a whiney little pussy you are lmao. peace nig
enors412 2 years ago 4
Moderator's voice is more boring than Noam Chomsky's.
Blech!
Esoteric604 2 years ago
Christopher is soooo brilliant! love this guy!
Nitka04 2 years ago 4
Yeh that would just about do it.
HWCWTD 2 years ago
What movie are they talking about?
HWCWTD 2 years ago
Quo Vadis.
d00df00d 2 years ago
Jeez this one's a cracker!!
Thanks hopokuk.
Cotdail 2 years ago
Love the discomfort you see in the body language of the panelists when Hitchens mentions Rape and Sodomy. Think of how uncomfortable it had to be for the person who had to endure it...these guys...I am lost for words in the face of such cold indifference. The "let god sort it out" argument as a rationalization is simply a pathetic one, it is a way to escape the gruesome, to flee responsibility, to find solace in a sand dune. I have nothing bu t respect for Hitchens for pointing this out!
MasterOhSo 2 years ago 15
@MasterOhSo
I agree: In fact the phrase I thought came from a military commander came from a Bishop in the first crusade. Against christians who did not agree with the popes authority or the hypocrisy. Some soldiers who has a conscience when questioning how they should tell the difference (and not kill innocents)
were told by the Bishop "Kill them all God will know his own"
So they did Woman Children Babies the Lot - all forgiven as sins in advance by the Pope
This is religion You can keep
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
Any god that would allow someone to be tortured for 24 years isn't worthy of my worship.
pmarie2003 2 years ago 7
Exactly. How dare these idiots claim moral high ground while saying that the loving god allowed this, watched with indifference just because it will be alright in the end... - tantamount to seeing a child bleeding and saying, "Oh, I'll fix it later" - HATEFUL...
sarahnewt 2 years ago
if god wanted me to believe in him, he knows what it would take to convince me. he knows nothing less will suffice. if god gave a flying shit whether or not i went to heaven he could accomplish that with ease. the fact that so many people who already believe supposedly get proof of gods existence constantly kinda proves god only takes care of his own. why dont i get the special visits and magical help? because he doesnt care if i go to hell or not.
TheGreatOldOnes 2 years ago 6
Wilson: "Hold on, justice is coming, every tear will be wiped dry, every wrong will be put right, everything will be straightened out. Trust me, it will be reconciled, it will be put right." This is always forever coming, and never here now. Hope in the future, not in the present. I can't show you the justice now, but just you wait! Have faith and keep waiting!
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circe888 2 years ago
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Christopher's rant on the poor woman who was raped by her father or what not for 24 years, you have to think, 24 years is like the blink of an eye compared to eternity. It was God's plan for that to happen, just as Jesus was crucified, peter was crucified upside down, and paul was beheaded like the john the baptist. We live in a fallen world, things like this happen, but we will receive eternal life with our Creator. That makes up for what we go through easily
mkitche3 2 years ago
& according to your doctrine we atheists will receive eternal torture in a fiery hell. That's not a loving God.
hopokuk 2 years ago
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That's based on your worldly definition of love. You are given more than enough time to accept Christ, to have a relationship with your savior, but you choose to ignore it and turn away. He has used so many people to try and reach you in the world, yet you don't believe. I pray someone will get through to you. I don't wish for you to burn in hell, I don't wish that for anyone, but I wish that all of us would be filled with love for Jesus.
mkitche3 2 years ago
@hopokuk the doors of hell are locked from the inside
DeJay14 1 year ago
To others reading the original comment by mkitche3, please don't vote it down because other people should see the sick twisted "christian" logic for what it really is. As for the woman being raped for 24 years, mkitche3 says that It was God's plan for that to happen
circe888 2 years ago
to mkitche3: I am trying to wrap my head around what you are saying. So do you think that for your god to allow her to be raped & tortured for 24 years is excused because she will receive eternal life with our Creator. That makes up for what we go through easily. If you were being tortured daily for 24 years, I dont think it would seem like the blink of an eye to you. If she prayed to your god to rescue her & he didnt,how is he a loving god? You people are sick with twisted logic.
circe888 2 years ago 6
What do you make of the free will argument? That we need to allow the evil to be enacted otherwise we don't appreciate their severity?
I'm not persuaded of this myself, but I'd like to know what you think.
Birdieupon 2 years ago
What if that poor woman who was raped was not christian?
Where is your god's master plan then? He knew before she even existed that she would live abused all her life and going to hell, yeah what a good god.
whamii 2 years ago 7
I think you should read your comment over and over for at least 100 times and perhaps after that you realize how stupid your remark is.
Elu112 2 years ago
2:13 Bahahahahahahahahah you have to be fucking kidding me!! ahahahah ive never laughed so hard in my life..This dumb ass moderator just dissed his own religion by saying its for weak and stupid people!. haaaahahahaa
ridthedelusional 2 years ago
This is just classic - the moderator insinuates atheists are arrogant and elitist.
It's beyond petty - such twisted logic! Someone who claims to be connected to and intimate with the creator accuses those who make no such claim of being arrogant.
They have the all powerful creator of the universe on their side, but atheists are arrogant. Very nice.
Narcissism on steroids.
Tear'm a new one CH.
MrsPhineasT 2 years ago 3
I cannot believe somebody with an inborn disability would cling to god that made them that way.
Onodera1980 2 years ago 2
Virtually everyone is born with some sort of disability. It is the result of Adam and Eve wanting to know what bad information would do.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
I've been reading your comments. Do you think Adam and Eve were real people? The genesis creation story is a myth, you know that right?
hopokuk 2 years ago
We have a record of all the names and genealogies going back to Noah and all the names of the genealogy back to Adam and Eve. There is no actual recorded human history beyond that. We have to go with the information that we have. We cant be making up things.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
How do you explain Revelation 6:13, about the stars falling to earth? It doesn't make sense. The guy who wrote it must have thought all the billions of stars were tiny little things.
hopokuk 2 years ago
We have what we call falling stars but that was more simbolic refering to the hosts of heaven. It was a vision.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
@hopokuk
Yeh and knocked down by the tail of a dragon - big sucker who later chases a woman around on the earth... Ha Ha Ha.....
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
Anger in itself is not bad only the reason for it. For example I am angry and don't forgive thieves that knock a disabled person out of their wheel chair to rob them.
Atheists have their individual tolerance levels and may be angry because
-they came to discover the things they were taught by family and clergy were all wrong.
-theism as being deceptive — and, hence, harmful to society.
-discrimination because of their disbelief in gods.
but most are not angry at all.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Hitchens is angry because he drinks. Seriously, atheists have no reason to be angry because they are as unfaithful as the next person.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
Lot so people drink and can get angry. They don't get angry because they drink.
That's nonsensical. Atheists including those that don't drink get angry with lies and deception.
In a previous apologetic for bible verse you said " It was a vision"
Yes drugs will do that to you - unless it was just a psychotic break with reality.
Check the local nut-house, REVELATIONS from god every day there.
This should tell you something about the source of much religious belief
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Atheists and evolutionists need to be angry at themselves for believing in their fantasy cult teaching. We have to have vision to see what we are doing and where we are going. It is the ability to reason well. You also can't knock visions that are true and come to pass. You can't even explain that. You can't explain how God told Adam and Eve about Christ 6,000 years ago.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
Name a few visions that are true and come to pass.
Also just were does it say in the myth book God told Adam & Eve about Jesus.
At least get the stories that even scholars who believe in them admit there is no proof of correct
It does say Jesus was descended from Incest and a Moabite as well as Ammonite these two people are cursed by god and never to enter the congregation EVER. I know you can contradict this which is the point, but it is in the bible.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Yeshua/Jesus died for all sin. Do you really want to know about the first time that God spoke of a Savior (God) being born of a woman? That is hard to believe that you would even care. Check out the book of Daniel for visions that have come to pass. You don't know what you are dealing with.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
I'm dealing with an entrenched social myth and a desperation for easy answers to the hard questions of life. Apart from that could you give me a specific proven prophecy.
Everyone I know has been born of a woman - something seem odd to you.
To prove prophecy wasn't written after the fact, one must find the earliest copy, the date must be BEFORE the event occurred. Daniel runs into problems, as all evidence suggests it was written long after its alleged "predictions".
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 It is not every day that a Savior (God) is born of a woman. Events usually are written after they occur. Prophecy is written before they occur. The first mention of Christ was to Adam and Eve. That is all you need to know for now but there are many more. The most important thing for you to know is that Yeshua (God's Son) came in the flesh meaning that He was born into this world. There is nothing mythical about that and we actually did kill Him.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
PLEASE tell me the verse of 'The first mention of Christ was to Adam and Eve.'
You are getting warmer though, prophacy is before not after the event.
There are a number of other requirments to be prophacy, no bible prophacy has passed the test - unless you want to name AND REFERENCE a few.
Many so called saviours were born of a woman, so was I by the way.
I did not kill him the Jews a blamed but the Romans nailed him up as they did with other messiahs, so what?
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 The first mention of Christ is not that hard to find in Genesis. As soon as Adam and Eve sinned (for the first time), word of the provision of sin was given to them. God said that the seed of the woman (a Savior/God) would crush the dragon's head (because no one else could). Every other prophecy in Scripture after that is based on the fact of the salvation of God (Yeshua/Jesus) being born of a woman.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy I came from my mother as well. How do you know that I am not god made flesh to save you from your idolatry? Why do you deny the truth and the light?
coco7010 1 year ago
@coco7010 You did not crush the dragon's head.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
The first mention of Christ is not that hard to find in Genesis.
Surely not Gen 3:15 where the children of adam and eve (everyone) will stomp on a snakes head when it snaps at there heals.
Predicting someone will be born of a woman geez how spooky I never would have guessed that.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 The word "seed" is singular and crushing the serpent's head is something that only God can do Himself. We should have known that. Only God can be our Savior. Micah says a ruler from the days of eternity would be born in Bethlehem. Other places say He will be called Mighty God and Eternal Father. There are many hints for anyone who cared to know. Even Enoch talks about the "Son of Man" many times. (That is who Yeshua said He is.)
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
Please reference these verses save me time looking for them.
Like Micah 3:12 Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble, the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets. Which has not happened.
The only reference usually used is about someone called emanuel not jesus.
Lets see bethlehem yes the narative needed an reason joseph would go there, I know we will write it was for a Roman Sensus. Opps never happened. but then how would hey know that.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 How would you know what they had to do unless you were there. They lived the experience and there is no better source of information. The reference is Micah 5 : 2 and Jerusalem did become a heap of rubble overgrown with thickets. Mark Twain said there was nothing but rocks there. Yeshua (Jesus) means "the salvation of God". Whenever it talks about salvation (that only comes from God), it is talking about Jesus.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
You don't have to be there - were you there at your conception? Yet you can explain it.
Superman is a story, I was not there when it was invented-oh must be a real person.
The old quarter was rubble- not the temple mt not the wailing wall & more - fail.
Jesus mean salvation that all adding on bits is incorrect.
Jesus ( Yeshua ) means in Hebrew "salvation" and not -God saves.
Yud Shin Waw Ain - this name dosn't include the word "God" .
? Honest mistake or deliberate lie
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 There is no salvation besides that which is of God.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 There was no one even there in the holy land. It was all rubble and weeds.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
When - give dates- references to show you have evidence.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Write complete sentences. Give dates of what?
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
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@VideoAudioDisco09
When you say things like
There was no one even there in the holy land. It was all rubble and weeds.
Do you have a reference, like where you read this from a history,
Is it just what someone told you?
Or is it something you just want to believe.
IE: Jesus refered to in the dead sea scrolls as the Wicked Priest, the antagonist to the Teacher of Righteousness who was the leader of the Essenes.
Books by Barbera Thiering and Marvin Vining both emanantly qualified.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 It was Mark Twain that said there was nothing there in Israel. The dead sea scrolls are a collection of books many of which are Scriptures such as Isaiah.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 There is nothing you can say about the flood because you were not there. The only thing that you can say is that there are fossils from a worldwide catastrophic event.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
Using this astounding argument.
Courts could convict no one unless they were there or had a credible eye witness.
No volcanos every erupted if you were not there.
This is a joke - your taking the piss. You can't possibly believe this. I have been had very well. You sucked me into thinking you were a religious zealot with little understanding of science, and biblical studies or reality. Very good.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 That is just the point. We have to go by the information that we do have. We cannot be making things up and saying that it is a fact. Address the issues. The facts are true regardless of anything else. Don't just jump to conclusions, face the issues. Attacking me or other Christians does not change any of the facts.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
Whats the point of Mark Twains opinion.
He also was surprised the city was so small.
Twain's identified the use of the prophetic genre which he used in his writings.
He is known to have scorned literal interpretation of Revelation.
Grew up in Mississippi and of course was taught the that they little patch has a great part to play at Armageddon. He also witnessed to Millerites go up a hill and wait for the end due October 22 1844. Due to prophetic visions or interpretation
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
So you provide no reasonable position against anything I said.
You think that prophecy is predicting the future, though no examples, within the accepted criteria. You probably believe the Bible was written as one book and it was by those names on the chapters.
You use a miss translated greek version to Jesus to mean what it does not.
You can't accept he was one of many messiahs running around even though they are recorded in what you claim is the best source.
NONSENCE
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 You know nothing about what the Bible says. Don't ask me about it unless you really want to know what it says. You know nothing about prophecy so there is nothing that you can say about it.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
Why would i ask you? It is printed in english.
Not to mention christians can't agree on what it means a lot of the time.
I can use a dictionary and google to define propfacy and its criteria, which I have done.
You know you don't have to be a mechanic to work out your car won't start.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
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@VideoAudioDisco09 @VideoAudioDisco09 If the dinosaurs have been gone for millions of years, the Bible would not have been able to describe them. That is the whole point that you miss entirely. Dinosaurs were still here 4400 years ago because the flood buried them.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 You don't have to be a mechanic to understand that the elements of the universe are nanomachine parts that work when accompanied by preexisting designs. You have to address the particular issues. You have to give examples of what you are talking about. You can't just make broad statements. You don't know about Bible prophecy.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
I have no idea what you mean Elements as in elements chemical?
Light elements (those up to lithium on the periodic table) were mainly created in the Big Bang. All other elements are products of nuclear reactions occurring in stars and supernova explosions. We have a comprehensive understanding of how a star evolves, as it converts hydrogen and helium into heavier elements. These heavy elements are disseminated by stellar winds and supernova explosions.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 No kidding, the elements were made by a big explosion, well they just happen to work perfectly in nanomachines that work with intent and purpose by design inside of you obeying the orders of billions of observable digits of preexisting directives.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
Well I do know the bible has been debunked.
That prophacy in the bible remailns unproven. Acctually to be fair prophets on thoes days were not just predicting the future. They were claiming to speak to the deity and passed on the messages. Traditionally, prophets are regarded as having a role in society that promotes change due to their messages and actions. Many cultures had them. Technically if behaviour changed the predicted outcome would to.
Now we live in 2010.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Would you stop misspelling prophecy? You are getting warn on the fact that behavior changes the outcome. It is belief that changes the behavior and outcome. It is vain to believe that rocks or objects can do anything because they don't and believing in them only causes depression. Wise men from outside of Israel came and found the Christ child. They were overjoyed to find Him. Your slander is not worth very much.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
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@Seekmosttoprophesy
We have to have vision to see what we are doing and where we are going.
Sticking your nose in a 2000 year old myth that has been debunked and wishing it were true. Is not looking ahead it is hiding from the present and afraid of the future without a crutch. Funny thing is read the myth and your not included at all.
The best you have is to keep bleating THE THEORIES OF EVERYTHING ARE WRONG as if they will Suddenly be wrong because you want it.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy Then Adam & Eve missed a GREAT party in Iran & Georgia, because they were making wine 2,000 years before those two appeared in the Garden. The Turkic people had cities 5 to 7 THOUSAND years before your 4,004 BC genesis model.
coco7010 1 year ago
@coco7010 Where are your genealogies to back up your dates? Where are the guages for your dating methods? The flood was 4400 years ago. The Creation was 1600 years earlier and I have the genealogies to prove it. There is no actual human history or calendars that are any older than that.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy Wine jugs with preserved fermentation sediment, Chinese characters WITH THE DATES ON THE PAGES, Olmecs cuniforms, all of these predate the silly geneologies of the Semitic tribes. The ancient cities of Jericho (8,000 BC) and Catal Huyuk (10,000 BC) are MUCH older still. Their age has been verified many times. Your beliefs are racist, ignorant and deny the glory of other cultures outside the Judeo-Christian experience.
coco7010 1 year ago
@coco7010 We already know the actual date of Jericho. That is evidence your guage for measuring time is off. The Chinese calendar goes back to the time of the flood. You need to be more scientific in your conclusions.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy Whats is YOUR gauge? A Geneology that is a Greek translation of an Aramaic dictation of a Southern Hebrew dialect translated into Latin > Vulgar Latin > Greek again > Proto- French > Early English> High German > Elizabethan English > to Modern English > Do you even REALIZE how far off the bible is to its original meaning? Can YOu tell me the significance of John the Baptist phrase, "God can make children for Abraham out of these stones." Can you translate this from Aramaic?
coco7010 1 year ago
@coco7010 My guage is actual historical accounts that have the genealogies of real people to prove it. Obviously, God can make children for Abraham from stones. He is the originator of nanotechnology.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy 99.8% of Christians do not even understand the bible's message! The John Baptist passage was translated into Greek from Aramaic & instantly lost the message. In Aramaic, "Ben" means BOTH "son" & "child". The plural is "banim". "Eben" means "stone, the plural is "ebanim". God is able to make "banim" from "ebanim". This is a clever play on words. Yet most Christians will NEVER get the humor & insights offered in the Tanakh. Do you know about the "eye of the needle?"
coco7010 1 year ago
@coco7010 The camel gate or whatever has nothing to do with the issues of Creation. A play on words is nice but don't forget what the issues are. Objects don't do anything.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
The genealogies has been shown to be flawed,invented and not corroborated.
So the evidence we have says Invention, lies and deception.
Your right we have to go with that.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 You have no idea of what you are talking about. The Bible is totally righteous and pure. It is honest about the things that people do but you would know about that since you have not thoroughly studied it in an unbiased way without any preconceived notion.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
I and many atheists (not ex christian atheists) are the one who studies it without preconceived belief or intense brain washing. So we see it is crap. Man made, contradictory, full of evil and its interpretation has changed over time to suit the audience. The Ex christian atheist took off the blind fold and really looked or went to investigate atheist and science claims, found them true and realized the had been duped and scammed by professionals. Open your eye's.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 You are brainwashed by evolutionist beliefs. I can prove your beliefs are wrong because the Bible describes two living dinosaurs. It is observable historical evidence of the life forms that we have found the bones of but never seen ourselves. You are the one who has been duped and scammed by liars. Snap out of your trance.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
There are no evolutionist beliefs to brain wash anybody. A belief system/religion requires a few things to be a belief system, common sense does not.
Education, Observation, Testable Facts, Evidence, Peer Review this is not a belief it is the reality of life around us have a look.
The discredited Behemoth again, here is a tip In Russian Begamot In Hebrew B'Hemot In Armenian Begemond IN English Hippopotamus getting any idea yet. This would be the best fit if not myth
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 There is no sense in evolution. It breaks every rule of science. Your peer beliefs do not prove anything and your hippo does not have a tail like a cedar. The hippo is not near as much as a "dumb beast" as a sauropod either.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
How can a theory arrived at by following the rules of science then be said to have broken those rules. This is stupid, it arrives at what is not what anyone happens to want the answer to be. Sorry.
My beliefs prove nothing ABSOLUTELY CORRECT the facts and evidence do.
No one can agree on what the Behemoth is or is not. There is plenty of reasonable thought suggesting Hippo-modified or an Elephant.
-Maybe a drug induced vision- I'll post one such version next...
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 People arrive at false conclusions all the time while actual history is proven time after time. People couldn't agree on Behemoth because it did not fit the description of any known living animal but it does fit the description very well of a sauropod the same as Leviathan fits the description of Spinosaurus.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
I'm not sure wha your first sentence is saying. History is proven and disproven as evidence comes to light. Hippo is the best candidate because there is a 65 million year gap from dinosaurs and odern man (not a conclusion an observable fact).
There are candidate myths one from Ethiopic Apocalypse of Enoch dated second century BCE. Also its tail moves as a ceder and is the size of a ceder.
It sits under a lotus tree, not a very big tree you realise.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 You fail to realize that sauropods, as described in the Bible, stayed in the water. Any kind of tree would be cover for it. Descriptions of living sauropods and Spinosaurus like creatures are evidence that they were living at the same time as humans. Science cannot contradict actual historical accounts of dinosaurs.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
I won't bother with the simple errors in your statments.
What I realise is that you want it to be a dinosaur. The bibile is a book of faith not an historcal record. That doesn't mean it doesn't mention actual places or reference actual people it does, like James Bond. There is NO OTHER historical record claiming dinosaurs.
Science has shown that dinosaurs were gone 65 million years before modern man.
If not where is the fossils or bones of one.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 If the dinosalurs had been gone, they wouldn't have been able to describe them. Even the Chinese calendar has a dragon in it. Those who wrote the Bible were the only ones or ones of few who had a mind to record such things. You can't date something that has been 100% contaminated by its surroundings that is of another (apparent) age. The real age of things has to be known from actual historical records.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy YOU CANT BE SERIOUS. Do you believe in fire breating flying dragons too.
Dinosaur and mammalian fossils were occasionally mistaken for the bones of dragons and other mythological creature; for example, a discovery in 300 BC in Wucheng, Sichuan, China, was labeled as such by Chang Qu.[3] Adrienne Mayor has written on the subject of fossils as the inspiration for myths in her book The
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 You do not seem to understand that dinosaurs used to be called dragons before they were called dinosaurs. There is no indication that the biblical description of a Spinosaurus like creature flew or had wings. You just love to confuse yourself. It was a very large sea monster that could walk upright on land. God took the time to describe it so we could know about it.
Seekmosttoprophesy 1 year ago
@Seekmosttoprophesy
Dinosaurs used to be called dragons- this is the first thing you got right I think.
You have gone from Sauropods to Spinosaurus neither of which is aquatic, want to throw in a third?
"It was a very large sea monster that could walk upright on land" Not Godzilla was it. There were two monsters in the myth in fact a third is mentioned too, Ziz.
We also therefore have records of Medusa, Minators, Goblins, Trolls, Apollo, Zeus and so on. It is all stories for children.
VideoAudioDisco09 1 year ago