@fakdaworld808 yeah and u need to see a doctor, coz u blind motherfucker! I wrote this as a reply to :" fedor sucks....totally overrated.....cain would woop this faggets ass:" and yes u need more brain ! so grow up and Merry Christmas :)
LOL, what a joke, that fat piece of shit has no skill at all, he only fights nobodies in japan, tito would drop him in 10 seconds, well actually any REAL MMA fighter would.
FATOR needs to leave his gay little posse and be a man and make his own decisions, he has no say in his life at all, i wonder if he is allowed to take a shit without permission, i doubt it.
@UFCBrockLesnar1 No skill atall? What you mean is, it doesn't look good. And you'd be right, it doesn't, but it works. His ground game is, so far, pretty much unmatched. He has proven over and over that he can escape from the most ridiculous situations, and recover from devastating blows. He can out-wrestle some of the best in the game and can ko some of the biggest in the game. So no, it doesn't look fancy, but it works.
@censurabass yah his "ground game" is unmatched because everyone has better skills then he does, and if he was SO good on the ground, y was he submitted in the first minute? i'll tell u y, because he was fighting a REAL MMA fighter that actually has skill and is a known fighter. not to mention that werdum has an MMA record, unlike everybody else that FATOR fights, his REAL record is 10-1-1, and his amatuer record is 21-1, but for some reason they combine them
This argument just doesn't make sense. He's unmatched because his opponents has more skill...here we have a conclusion backed by contradictory evidence. Fedor got caught, and so has everyone else. As far as the cans he has beaten, that would only strengthen the argument that Fedor is the best and not the contrary since the champ must be able to dominate cans in the first round.
Fedor is a sambo icon is Russia. If pride were his motives, then sambo would be his primary concern, since Sambo is the nation sport of Russia. In addition, Fedor owns a significant portion of M-1. The UFC would not allow him to compete in sambo or even wear an M-1 T-shirt. If I were were Fedor, I wouldn't care about the UFC championship either. I'd have my own promotion to worry about.
@christosphotiou yah he is apart of M-1 which makes his "fights" for him, that way he can make sure that he only fights nobodies without skills, its fucking pathetic. he is such a fucking pussy that doesnt even know how to fight, and he will NEVER be in UFC, because he sucks and would be DESTROYED in a matter of seconds, if he gets beaten by a UFC reject in 1 minute, just imagine what a guy currently in UFC would do to him, even in the LW division
His record, including his four most recent fights, casts a shadow over your unfounded points. They criticize Fedor's character only by speculative matters, matters which any high profile professional fighter has to deal with--the politics of management . Yet even the best fighters acknowledge his skill as, 'P4P the best.' It's not, 'the media,' as Dana White ignorantly and selfishly argues, but from the worldwide hardcore fans and champions who have followed a decade of MMA
@christosphotiou LOL, WHAT? he is the one who is a selfish ignorant little fat fuck, tell me please, how many other fighters out there get to choose their opponents? NONE thats how many, because those guys r REAL MMA fighters, wheras FATOR is just a fat fucking nobody without skills, HE picks who he wants to fight, and there all nobodies without records. if FATOR wants to be respected by REAL MMA fans, he has to fight REAL MMA fighters, well he did once and look what happened. TAP TAP LOL
Floyd Mayweather chooses his fights, and UFC fighters are owned by Dana. As I said, 'any high profile professional fighter,' that includes boxers, deal with management. True, Fedor chooses his fights, but you're assuming that his choices aren't influenced by his management.
Also, your connection between choice and skill is unclear. Repeating a point doesn't constitute an argument. Slurs don't help either. Lesnar has lots of potential (I'm a fan) but Fedor's is the issue.
ooops...I meant that Fedor's skill is the issue. Brock is tuff, but how can anyone argue that he is a 'reall MMA fighter' but Fedor isn't? You can't argue that Fedor skill sucks because he's selfish and fat; these points are irrelevant.
You can't be Brock talking, because behind all the show that guy is becoming a more of a sportsman and less of an actor. I'm sure he would even train and want to learn something from the guy. Just he did with Randy C.
@christosphotiou FATOR SUCKS and is FAR from being an MMA fighter, and dana doesnt own shit RETARD! so do your homework and then learn MMA and what a REAL fighter is. because FATOR is FAR from being one
If you're going to counter my claims then offer examples. Slurs only support my previous posts, that you're not arguing a point. UFC fighters do not have the option to fight in any other promotion. That's a fact. Fedor cannot accept your dream matches because he'd have to sacrifice competition from other sports and promotions.
@christosphotiou WHAT DREAM FIGHT? who said anything about a dream fight, and it wouldnt even be a fight, it would be a complete mauling by lesnar. but anyways back to the topic, everything i've said is factual, yours r just opinion
@christosphotiou after dominating MMA for over a decade and he sucks?? All of these Brock jock riders are just UFC/WWE fanboys who just by into whatever Dana White says. I'm serious to say Fedor sucks is like saying Michael Jordan sucks at basketball. Dana White tries to act like that Brock is on par with Anderson Silva and GSP. After what Fedor did to Big Nog 2x in Nog's prime was impressive. Cain beat an old beat up washed up Nog, not to take ne thing away from Cain he is very good.
@UFCBrockLesnar1 To say that Fedor sucks shows that you clearly know nothing of MMA history.Brock has been exposed 3 times, once by Mir (which he avenged), Carwin beat his ass up and down the cage and loss due to gassing out and finally Cain Velasquez proved to the world that brock has been over hyped.I never bought into Brock, he beat a 45 year old man who was kicking his ass prior to getting caught by a haymaker, his only impressive win was over Mir. Fedor losses for the 1st time
@Vinnymanvinny LOL, maybe u should run through FATOR'S opponents, if u can even call them that, he hasnt beaten any big names, he has no skill and no talent, brock has beaten all big names
@UFCBrockLesnar1 All big names? He only beat frank mir and randy, the other 2 he got his ass kicked. Now lets look at fedor, Cro Crop, Big Nog. He fought everyone at their prime.
@PepperDixies LOL, WHAT??? he got his ass kicked, did u not watch the herring fight, he literally ate him alive, something FATOR could never do, now thats pretty sad. and Nog, LOL R U SERIOUS? Nog sucks ass.
@UFCBrockLesnar1 brock has very weak chin and he just fears punching face.he turns his back in fight.do u really belive that fedor isnt beter boxer than lesnar?can lesnar subbmit fedor?how?not possible!so what kind of way he can use to win that fight to u see any?
@PepperDixies well its actually 31, but those werent all in pride u dumb fuck, most of them were in shitty jap companies, and they werent even REAL fighters, his REAL record is only 10-1, but his amatuer record is 21-1, LOL and he is FAR from being a monster, if anything he's a baby deer. he's wobbly and cant quite get the hang of things. were as lesnar is the king buck.
Don't get over zealous my phrase, 'dream fight.' The phrase was meant to signify you highlighted assumption, that Fedor must prove his skills worthy by fighting new fighters such as Brock, Caine, and whoever the UFC would dish-out on Fedor.
Yes, they would be awesome fights--because anything can happen. I didn't consider Scott Smith a better fighter than Kung Le after he KOed Kung Le because I know that the underdog always has a punchers chance.
Fedor deserves the recognition received by the fighters and fans who have followed MMA for a decade. But knuckled heads like you think Brock is the baddest because he beat a few good guys.
Second, learn to argue. To counter my argument (a tutorial) just falsify my claim. Just say, 'No! UFC fighters can fight in other promotions while they are under contract.' But who would believe you?? How am I lying??? Just don't say I'm lying...everyone know this.
Frank Mir is the shittiest heavyweight to hold a title other than Tim Sylvia of course. All he's got as good ground game which is probably leagues behind Fedor's. He's too stupid to beat him anyways. Wtf kind of BJJ expert tries to stand up with Shane Carwin? One of the dumbest and/or cockiest ones in the world. Even Brock knew he had to take him down, but he couldn't even do that til Shane dominated him and was gassed.
@Drunkwraith wow, he knocked out minatauro (for the first time) and knocked out/choked out cheick kongo, former WORLD muay thai champion. im not saying mir is as good of a striker as fedor, but he's not bad. and shane carwin is an animal
@KOforLiddell I'll give him credit for that, but it was a matter of time before Nog's chin turned to glass considering the beat downs he took from Fedor, Bob Sapp, Cro Cop, etc. Mir definately has power in his punches, but his overall skill is decent in striking. Mir might be in trouble this Saturday considering all the shit he's been talking about Cro Cop though. If Cro Cop is able to land shots like he did against Anthony Perosh, Mir will go down. I'm hoping for the "left kick: cemetary."
oh yea, sure titio might not be anything special but he made it a HELL of a lot further then other mma fighters trying to make it in ufc. and also he ALWAYS fought tough competition like liddell twice, beat shamrock 3x, couture, griffen, machida, evans, wanderlei silva like the list goes on and hes 15-7 thats good for the people he fought.
tim silvia sux he was good for like a year plus strikeforce sux ortiz has sucked for mad long fedor hasnt fought anyone good ina while affliction plz ufc is where its at ik mad ppl r gonna hate this but UFC is the best mma company in the world thumbs up?
@mattitudev1hardy you expect people to thumbs that up? everyone that actually trains mma knows about the skills needed and knows fedors #1, also you state ufcs so great well they do got best fighters in most divisions and the ones im talking about like st pierre bj penn and others state fedor is the best. who cares if tim sucks... fedor tko him in 30 seconds and he was #1 at ufc for a bit. fedor beat nog twice and arlovski once whom both beat werdum,anyone can lose this is mma not boxing
@dukeslaps i hate boxing but dont get mean...tim sylvia was past his good age nogueira isa punching bag werdum was released from ufc following his lost against i think a ufc fighter i cant remember and i like brock hes not the best mma fighter but hes HW champ i dont think brock would beat fedor but i think wrestling and or ground and pound yea i would love to see a fight with fedor and shogun or machida or even silva and like i said all the men fedor keeps fighting are old and past their prime.
@abdulsadiq actually its more accurate than "fedor", you should do ur homework. Fiódor Vladímirovich Yemelianenko, thats more accurate, because his name its written in other alphabet. and the correct pronounciation is "fyodor". Americans say "fedor" because they are lazy fat ignorants. Even japs, pronounced right.
ok tito talks about sylvia, tim sylvia is a joke of a fighter he is nothing special and only had the belt cuz mir had an accident and was force to forfeit it. wow sylvia beat arlovski for the title he got his arm broken from mir to get his title back. Tito also says hes the best light heavyweight in the world hahaha what a joke.Tito sucks thats why he gets his ass whoopd.
@Killwhitey741 Joke of a fighter or not, he was ufc champ and his record is 24-5 and he has been through most of the ufc hw fighters. If he is a joke, which I agree, then so is the hw division itself. If Sylvia was Camp should be no 1, if Mir beat him, that would make Mir no 1 and Sylvia No 2. So Fedor demolished the ufc's no 2 fighter in seconds. He also demolished Arlovski and Nog x2, both UFC champs as well. Mir wouldn't stand a chance, Carwin vs Fedor would be a good fight.
@DaviGl1 dana even says that these are meant to be watch by groups of people not by yourself. i have like ten people come over and we all chip in 5 bucks so its fine.
hell no asshole!!! why did u say that Mexicans are titos fans? ure completely wrong we hate that motherfucker son of a bitch!!!hes trying to mix our culture with shit,,, hes a pussy, and we hate him because that... he only talks, a he does shit in the octagon
He doesn't adore Fedor tools. Tito was in bed with Affliction before it went tits up. He doesn't like Dana and he tried to run off and make his own money. He failed and now he is back in the UFC.
@8888eight8898 ummm yea but lets look at brock's resume shall we? randy couture, heath herring, and frank mir (almost twice if mazzogoti wasnt a dick). not too many fighters but that just proves even more how good he is cuz he just started mma a few years ago and he's already beat some pretty good names. id love to see this fight happen but fedor is a pussy and wont accept under a billion bucks to fight in the ufc.
@8888eight8898 Rogers: inexperienced/owned by Overeem, Arlovski: washed up/glass jaw, Lindland: Middleweight, Sylvia: washed up/knocked out by Ray Mercer in less time than Fedor, Coleman: washed up/1-4 in the UFC since 1998, Babalu: Light Heavyweight, Arona: Light Heavyweight, Cro Cop: lost 3 times in the UFC, Nog: Fedor couldn't finish him in 3 fights, has been finished twice in the UFC, in only one attempt by Mir and Velasquez.
How many of these fighters are in the top 5 today? ZERO.
@8888eight8898 WOW aren't you a genius. What's funny is that you're a hypocrite setting a double standard, by stating that these fighters are somehow worse today, but Fedor is exactly the same. He may not have fought them today, but he did fight them when they were either on their way down or still unproven as fighters. I also find it hilarious that you posted middleweights and light heavyweights in your list of the best fighters Fedor has faced. Also Ricardo Arona got screwed by the judges.
@w1seguys No one like to take into consideration that Fedor has beat 5 guys with not 1 MMA victory or the fact that Mark Coleman was washed up when he fought Fedor both times. Randleman has lost his last 8 out of 10 including his fight with Fedor. Tim Sylvia was never that great the guy was not a great fighter at all. The only 2 Greats Fedor did beat were Cro Cop & Nog both of whom got their asses KO'D in the UFC. All Fedor fans are good for is coming up with Excuses for Fedor.
Let's look at Brock: 4-1... was losing to Couture, couldn't finish Herring (doctor stoppage vs Fedor), lost to Mir and then had one decisive win... He had one decisive win that matters...
Fedor on paper is by far an away the greatest heavyweight in the world. He will destroy Werdum in the rematch, then destroy Overeem and then lets hope he makes his way into the octogon.
@Fantastor Fedor has 34 fights and Brock only has 5 and Brock would still Destroy Fedor. On paper Fedor was supposed to beat Werdum but that didn't happen did it.
@josh7982 No but the point is clear isn't it... Imagine how unlikely it is for somebody to go 10 years unbeaten?? That was a fluke win. Fedor got overconfident.. it took 28 straight wins for that to happen. He will destroy Werdum 2nd time round.
Brock has 1 win. 1 decisive win. How does that make him brilliant?? You're buying the hype. He outwrestled a weak 240lbs Mir. Carwin is going to show him up.
@josh7982 And btw there are plenty of guys in the UFC imo that can and will beat Brock given the chance. Gonzaga, Nogeuira, Carwin. Others that would give Brock trouble are Arlovski and Sylvia. in fact I think Arlovski would cut him up. Take Fedor's record, fighter by fighter... ask yourself would Brock waltz through all of them?
@Fantastor Arlovski got beat by Brett Rogers and Tim Sylvia is too Clumsy to last in a fight with Brock Lesnar. Brock will Beat Carwin this Saturday and when that happens you guys will start to realize Brock is for real. Nogueria Won't beat Brock hell Mir beat Nog and Brock crushed Mir. Gonzaga would lose to Lesnar no doubt in my mind about that. I understand Brock has to prove himself and believe me he will.
@josh7982 My point was I think he'll struggle against big guys with better technique. I hope you're right. It's going to be very interesting. Hopefully his gut problems haven't damaged him too much. imo Carwin is going to mangle him.
@206ernesto Take into Consideration that Lesnar hadn't fought in a year and Ring Rust Could've been a Factor. I admit I didn't like the way Brock Curled up and just took a beating from Carwin but on the other hand it proved a couple of things #1 That Lesnar has a good Chin, #2 Lesnar can take punishment and keep going. You say Lesnar reminds you of Bob Sapp, Do you remember Sapps fight with Bobby Lashley? You remember how Sapp Tapped Out due to Punches?
@206ernesto (Cont) Sapp didn't even make it out of the first round before tapping due to punches and thats the ultimate weakness & Humiliation. Atleast Brock managed to defend against Carwins Ground & Pound and Brock even managed to get the fight back to his feet and press Carwin against the Cage for the last 1:05 of the 1st round. So it's not like Carwin completely destroyed Brock or anything. Given all due circumstances Brock does not suck considering all he has been through the last 9 months.
@josh7982 oh come on! now you are puling the sickness card, you suck. thats why any fighting sport where there is lots of money is involved sucks, because nobody wants to make those real fights come true. i want to see lesnar vs sapp. carwin vs overeem. sapp vs carwin. sapp vs fedor. carwin vs fedor. cain velasquez vs overeem/werdum until that doesn' t happen, all mma sucks ass like boxing does. mix them up, i want to see more, and ig you have diarrea, please go home fucker.
@206ernesto bob sapp??? he fuckin sux! fedor hasnt fought anyone good ina while and ortiz pshh come on the rest is ehhh i really like brock so idk yea
Oh, not only is Lindland a true middleweight, but people seem to gloss over the fact that Fedor was holding the ropes for over ten seconds with no point deduction in that fight, and then used his momentum off the release in order to gain a favorable position. BS.
But, in all fairness, Fedor is STILL a bad motherfuckah.
@w1seguys Nogueira and Cro Cop are past their best. In the same way that former UFC champs Arlovski and Sylvia are. These guys were the best in the world at the time that Fedor beat up on them. Nogueira is a legend - he hung on for dear life against Fedor and was successful because he's just so damn good. Times change. Prime Nogueira vs Prime Mir??
Most of these guys you mentioned are way past their prime. Four years ago they'd be considered the best. Nog. was the 'Rocky' of MMA; he suffered his first KO after 30 pro fights. Just look at his 04 face and compare it to his 09 face. We should really consider this factor. Mir and Cain are awesome, but Nog will be retiring very soon.
@8888eight8898 8 Guys out of 35 fights How about the ten fighters Fedor fought that haven't got a single victory in MMA? How About Hong Man Choi really? Zulu? Yuji Nagata? The 5 he's fought with losing records? That already outweighs the number of descent fighters. 50 year old Ray Mercer beat Tim Sylvia faster than Fedor did. Frank Mir Ko'd both Nog & Cro Cop something Fedor never did. Cain Ko'd Nog again Fedor never did that. Sean Mcorkle Broke Mark Hunt's arm with a Kimura Fedor couldn't.
Nogeuira suffered his first KO after 10 years of professional fighting. Just compare the photos of Nog when he fought Fedor in 2003 and 2004 and current ones. A fighter can only take so much damage. As for the cans Fedor has fought, every champ must fight them. It only strengthens the argument that has so great for beating them. As far as Mir and Lsnar, anything can happen in this sport.
For the die hard fans, they consider him the best from a techi perspective.
@christosphotiou I don't need to hear a bunch of UFC fighters say Fedor is the best, it's not going to change my opinion until Fedor starts fighting better competition nothing will change my mind. I don't live in the past I live for what a fighter has done recently and Fedor hasn't done much here lately.
You don't know anything about this sport. You're a casual spectator. A champ must have a dominant track record. His 2 of hist 4 most RECENT fights were against two former UFC champs. Together, these two fights have lasted 3 minutes total---both by KO.
But you avoid the opinion of these MMA champs who know how to evaluate fighters. Brock and Carwin have not beaten with the best of the best .
Only casual fans consider Brock the best. Are you an ignorant casual?
@christosphotiou Lets run down Fedor's opponents last 7 opponents, shall we? Fedor vs. Matt Linland April 14th, 2007 isn't Matt Linland a middle weight? That means Fedor fought someone 2 weight classes below him and still had trouble beating him. Fedor outweighed Lonland by 40 pounds. Next 28-1 Fedor vs. 1-0 Hong Man Choi. What's wrong with this picture here? Shouldn't 28-1 Fedor be fighting someone with a much better Record than 1-0? HMC is just a big guy he's slow as hell and thats about it.
A) Hong Man Choi was a money maker for the Japanese audience. Plus, he was like the Chaq of Pride; he was there because of his size---its a spectacle.
B) Mentioning all his recent fights from Choi to Rogers only strengthens claims of his dominance and superb skill. Werdum caught him, because anything can happen. Ask Brock, he would agree.
@christosphotiou You just admitted that the so called best HW in the world took part in a FREAKSHOW when he fought HMC Thats all HMC is in MMA. Fedor fighting a guy 2 weight classes below him Strengthens his claims of dominace? Fedor beat a past his prime Tim Sylvia. Got controlled by Mark Hunt most of their fight BTW Hunt now has a losing record in MMA and even lost to Josh Barnett before getting a shot a Fedor's Pride HW title Hunt hasn't won a fight since that loss to Josh Barnett.
If someone is the best, then they can dominate cans
Dominate=defeating an opponent in the first round
We can also say...if not dominate, then not the best (contrapositive)
Fedor dominated all those names that you mention. Though not a HUGE strengthener, you claims do not counter my stance. THey strengthen, bec all the cans did not last 10min
I am not sure why you are bringing up Hunt vs Barnett. Anything can happen in MMA. Fedor never fought Barnett.
@christosphotiou Exactly! Fedor never did fight Barnett yet Barnett beat Hunt then Hunt's next fight was against Fedor for the Title. Pride protected Fedor and now M1 is doing the same thing.
...and Fedor beat Hunt in the first round. But I still don't understand why you trying to reference so n so beat what his face who beat the guy....that line of reasoning doesn't work. Especially when it comes to Fedor. I could respond by referencing the guys who Fedor beat, and who also beat Barnett a few times. But then we'd go in a merry go round since this train isn't solely a sufficient means of comparing fighters. E.G. Nog had a fever when he was KOed recently...etc
After reading this post again, I realized that this argument fails to support its main point. You try to conclude that M-1 protects Fedor by referencing the result of Hunt vs. Barnett. Barnett had been accused of steroid use. Second, you're assuming too much about what led to that title fight. You reference a fight, then conclude that Pride protected Fedor since you assume that Barnett deserved the title shot, then you shift your scope from a promotion to a management team...
@christosphotiou I'm simply saying that Mark Hunt didn't deserve a title shot at Fedor i'm saying that Josh Barnett deserved the shot over Hunt. When I say Pride protected Fedor I mean they made sure Fedor wouldn't lose they made sure that most of the guys Fedor fought were guys they knew Fedor could beat. The same goes for M-1 They were the ones responsible for Fedor not signing with the UFC they only put Fedor in fights they know he can win until Werdum came along. I was comparing the two
Well thank you for clearing up your comment. Now I see, Barnett deserved the shot. Oh OK...So if Barnett vs Fedor came through then that would have....We were scuffling over whether Fedor should be considered one of the best fighters ever, even the best (my opinion). Besides, why are speculating that M-1 controlled the bracketing of that tournament? Even if so, all tournaments are like that. The guy whose predicted second fights the champ last...etc..shall I explain?
I was thinking of what led to Fedor vs Hunt...Wiki Shockwave 06 or just wiki their match. But 1 point goes to you since I thought they fought in a tournament, but 2 points go to me because the evidence casts doubt over your M-1 speculation anyhow...but I really like this debate :)..looking forward to your reply
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More points go to me bec we I brought up bracketing as a counter to why Fedor fought some cans. Some for the spectacle others bec of a tournament
@christosphotiou Think about the M-1 thing like this Fedor owns part of M-1 and M-1 co-promotes Fedor's fights THEY DON'T WANT THAT MOTHERFUCKER TO LOSE because as soon as he does his stock takes a dive and guess what so does theirs. Tell Me why Fedor didn't sign with the UFC and you have to admit that the HW division in the UFC is better than SF'S HW division. As far as all the Cans Fedor has Fought Egidijus Valavicius, Nagata, HMC, Zulu, Hunt, &Rogers are all cans they weren't in Tournaments.
I don't understand why you're pressing speculation by asking rhetorical questions that merely beg the question are presuppose the speculation in the first place.
A) Fedor is a part owner of M-1, and a Combat Sombo International Master of sport. He can neither compete in Sambo nor co-promote his fights if signed to the UFC. That's why he went to Strikeforce. It all about the dollars. Strikeforce means more money in the long run.
@christosphotiou Cont... Tell me why Fedor hasn't Fought Overeem, Overeem even called Fedor out and Scott Coker went back on his word after saying the winner of Fedor vs. Werdum would get a title shot at Overeem then turned around and said Fedor should fight Overeem. Why is Fedor dodging Overeem?
C) Overeem and Fedor don't dodge each other. It's management issues. Overeem had stated that Fedor's dodging him afteter his fight w/ Rogers just for promotion reasons. It's safe to assume that, since DEMAND-->$, and since Fedor had offered a fight once he couldn't get a rematch w/ Werdum due to W's surgery. Overeem rejected to compete in this fall's K-1 Grand Prix.
So now that I've answered your questions I hope that I casted some doubt over your speculations.
@christosphotiou Overeem announced back in June that he would be competing in the K-1 Grand Prix this fall. Fedor challenged Overeem to a November or December fight knowing the Overeem was going to be fighting in K-1 during that time. Fedor is a fraud and him challenging Overeem to specifaclly fight in November or December knowing full well Overeem could not fight him proves exactly what a coward Fedor is.
Again you are not proving a point by presupposing what you're setting out to prove. You say Fedor challenges Overeem, because he knew that Overeem can't accept the challenge. Therefore, Fedor is dodging Overeem. That's the gist of your argument. You assume a motive for an action, the action happens and from that you figure that the motive was proven as-well. Do you see the merry go round??
Also, your speculation began with M-1 fixing Fedor's fights. Now Fedor's to blame???
@christosphotiou Look man i'm really enjoying this debate we're having here but it seems to me that you're just ignoring all the facts to justify Fedor not fighting the best competition PRESENT DAY. Overeem did call out Fedor after Fedor beat Brett Rogers and it was supposed to be Fedor vs Overeem instead of Rogers VS. Overeem for whatever reason Fedor did not accept the fight with Overeem but instead decided to fight Werdum.
@christosphotiou (Cont) Then all of a sudden after Overeem announces he's going to K1 and Fedor challenges him? Even Overeem questioned Fedor calling him out after the fact it is very strange that Fedor wanted no part of Overeem when he called Fedor out but now he does but it has to be a November or December fight. Why not Challenge Overeem to a fight for early next year when you know he'll be able to accept that fight?
@christosphotiou (Cont) Next Fedor vs. Tim Sylvia, Tim Sylvia came into his fight with Fedor with 2 losses in his last 3 fights so it's not like he was on a winning roll or anything. In fact Sylvia had lost his previous fight before he fought Fedor and Sylvia was UFC HW Champ when the division was weak. Fedor vs. Arlovski, Arlovski came into this fight with a 5 fight winning streak & was outstriking and beating Fedor until he went crazy with that flying knee Arlovski gave Fedor trouble.
@christosphotiou (Cont) Fedor vs. Rogers, Brett Rogers came into that fight with Fedor undefeated but who did Rogers actually beat to deserve to fight the #1 fighter in the world? The same man Fedor before Brett did. Andrei Arlovski and that was Bretts only Credible win and he still gave Fedor problems. Fedor vs. Werdum 69 secs into this fight the whole world got to see the so called "Best Fighter" get embarrassed by Werdum in a quick submission victory for Werdum. Do you get the point now?
So you avoid the opinion of these MMA champs, who know how to evaluate fighters? Instead you only take into account recent fights?? So the the recent fights of Brock and Carwin have been with the best of the best...? What has been so special about these fights? Fedor's most recent fights---the past two years---have been with two former UFC champions, and two other strong opponents. Asides from his ONLY loss from Werdum, those UFC champs together lasted 3 minutes.
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im scared if fedor fights brock, he might do something wrong and then brock gets lucky and wins and it makes it look like anyone that joins the ufc even an amateur can beat a legend
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and please he beat Mark Coleman liek how old is he he should have been out of the game years ago Fedor is fighting all the UFC washed up fighters and saying hes the best hes a joke and till I see him knock out some real fighters all he is. is a fuckeing Russian Mifa joke fighter he needs to ditch them and make some real money Fedor is poor maybe if he had any desision who he fights then he would be something but hes a fucking joke thats why he dont come to UFC
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to be the best pound for pound fighter people you need to beat the best fighters out there and who has Fedor beat besides some old washed up UFC fighters . . . . when he can dominate the fighting sean like Anderson Silva all over the world and then come into UFC and keep knocking people out like the spider then I will say hes the best but till then Fedor is a paper champ and the Russian Mifa will never let him fight in the states cause then they would lose money
lol he does fight in america... and old washed up ufc fighters? there old now! not at the time he beat them, they wer ein their prime, he beat heath herring before herring was in UFC sort your facts out,
I don't really like Tito or Dana white, but I have to go with tito on this. Look at the Kimbo situation: He would always say "kimbo sucks" or "Kimbo would get killed". Now look listen to his comments about kimbo. Fact of the matter is he flip- flops too much. I guarrantee that when Fedor ends up in the UFC he is going to say that Fedor is the best pound per pound fighter blablabla the way he has with his champions while they shine. once they are no longer UFC fighters he bashes them.
Lol, Even Brett can TKO Lesnar. :) Lesnar 4-1, Fedor 31-1! Lesnar no have chance.
If Fedor win Lesnar, Dana needed to say Fedor is the best. And than Dana will never take Fedor to UFC and lost a lot of money. And UFC Champion always will be #2.
@Exarsh what has it then to do with Speed? submission defence obviously brock has got really good submission defence after his first fight with frank mir thats all they trained for 17 months
fedor would of crushed brock
ManyVideosforyou 9 months ago
omg i hate the mini trump
AndrewRyanJD 11 months ago
faggots fedor sucks
bigteltheking 1 year ago
@bigteltheking lets put you up against fedor and see what happens dumbass have some respect for all fighters
persianbone16 9 months ago
LOL@ Tito "feodoor" what a douche
TunedCavityLasers 1 year ago
watch out UFC ...bbiiaatchaass :)
SeregaYamborko 1 year ago
tito is another irrelevant to mma..........shut ur fagget ass.....a lot of guys would woop ur ass
fakdaworld808 1 year ago
fedor sucks....totally overrated.....cain would woop this faggets ass
fakdaworld808 1 year ago
@fakdaworld808 u sir, really need some brain, so u can go on the internet and do a research before u say shit like that ! grow up !
SeregaYamborko 1 year ago
@SeregaYamborko RESEARCH.....LOL....HAHAHAHA DO URS U DUMASS TITO SUCKS BOTTOM LINE HE JUST LOST TO MATT HAMIL.......MAT HAMIL.....HAHAHA
fakdaworld808 1 year ago
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@fakdaworld808 yeah and u need to see a doctor, coz u blind motherfucker! I wrote this as a reply to :" fedor sucks....totally overrated.....cain would woop this faggets ass:" and yes u need more brain ! so grow up and Merry Christmas :)
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SeregaYamborko 1 year ago
LOL, what a joke, that fat piece of shit has no skill at all, he only fights nobodies in japan, tito would drop him in 10 seconds, well actually any REAL MMA fighter would.
FATOR needs to leave his gay little posse and be a man and make his own decisions, he has no say in his life at all, i wonder if he is allowed to take a shit without permission, i doubt it.
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 No skill atall? What you mean is, it doesn't look good. And you'd be right, it doesn't, but it works. His ground game is, so far, pretty much unmatched. He has proven over and over that he can escape from the most ridiculous situations, and recover from devastating blows. He can out-wrestle some of the best in the game and can ko some of the biggest in the game. So no, it doesn't look fancy, but it works.
censurabass 1 year ago
@censurabass yah his "ground game" is unmatched because everyone has better skills then he does, and if he was SO good on the ground, y was he submitted in the first minute? i'll tell u y, because he was fighting a REAL MMA fighter that actually has skill and is a known fighter. not to mention that werdum has an MMA record, unlike everybody else that FATOR fights, his REAL record is 10-1-1, and his amatuer record is 21-1, but for some reason they combine them
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1
This argument just doesn't make sense. He's unmatched because his opponents has more skill...here we have a conclusion backed by contradictory evidence. Fedor got caught, and so has everyone else. As far as the cans he has beaten, that would only strengthen the argument that Fedor is the best and not the contrary since the champ must be able to dominate cans in the first round.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou Herschel Walker dominated a can does that mean Herschel is a great fighter?
Danielson184 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1
Fedor is a sambo icon is Russia. If pride were his motives, then sambo would be his primary concern, since Sambo is the nation sport of Russia. In addition, Fedor owns a significant portion of M-1. The UFC would not allow him to compete in sambo or even wear an M-1 T-shirt. If I were were Fedor, I wouldn't care about the UFC championship either. I'd have my own promotion to worry about.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou yah he is apart of M-1 which makes his "fights" for him, that way he can make sure that he only fights nobodies without skills, its fucking pathetic. he is such a fucking pussy that doesnt even know how to fight, and he will NEVER be in UFC, because he sucks and would be DESTROYED in a matter of seconds, if he gets beaten by a UFC reject in 1 minute, just imagine what a guy currently in UFC would do to him, even in the LW division
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1
His record, including his four most recent fights, casts a shadow over your unfounded points. They criticize Fedor's character only by speculative matters, matters which any high profile professional fighter has to deal with--the politics of management . Yet even the best fighters acknowledge his skill as, 'P4P the best.' It's not, 'the media,' as Dana White ignorantly and selfishly argues, but from the worldwide hardcore fans and champions who have followed a decade of MMA
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou LOL, WHAT? he is the one who is a selfish ignorant little fat fuck, tell me please, how many other fighters out there get to choose their opponents? NONE thats how many, because those guys r REAL MMA fighters, wheras FATOR is just a fat fucking nobody without skills, HE picks who he wants to fight, and there all nobodies without records. if FATOR wants to be respected by REAL MMA fans, he has to fight REAL MMA fighters, well he did once and look what happened. TAP TAP LOL
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1
Floyd Mayweather chooses his fights, and UFC fighters are owned by Dana. As I said, 'any high profile professional fighter,' that includes boxers, deal with management. True, Fedor chooses his fights, but you're assuming that his choices aren't influenced by his management.
Also, your connection between choice and skill is unclear. Repeating a point doesn't constitute an argument. Slurs don't help either. Lesnar has lots of potential (I'm a fan) but Fedor's is the issue.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou
ooops...I meant that Fedor's skill is the issue. Brock is tuff, but how can anyone argue that he is a 'reall MMA fighter' but Fedor isn't? You can't argue that Fedor skill sucks because he's selfish and fat; these points are irrelevant.
You can't be Brock talking, because behind all the show that guy is becoming a more of a sportsman and less of an actor. I'm sure he would even train and want to learn something from the guy. Just he did with Randy C.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou FATOR SUCKS and is FAR from being an MMA fighter, and dana doesnt own shit RETARD! so do your homework and then learn MMA and what a REAL fighter is. because FATOR is FAR from being one
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1
If you're going to counter my claims then offer examples. Slurs only support my previous posts, that you're not arguing a point. UFC fighters do not have the option to fight in any other promotion. That's a fact. Fedor cannot accept your dream matches because he'd have to sacrifice competition from other sports and promotions.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou WHAT DREAM FIGHT? who said anything about a dream fight, and it wouldnt even be a fight, it would be a complete mauling by lesnar. but anyways back to the topic, everything i've said is factual, yours r just opinion
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@christosphotiou after dominating MMA for over a decade and he sucks?? All of these Brock jock riders are just UFC/WWE fanboys who just by into whatever Dana White says. I'm serious to say Fedor sucks is like saying Michael Jordan sucks at basketball. Dana White tries to act like that Brock is on par with Anderson Silva and GSP. After what Fedor did to Big Nog 2x in Nog's prime was impressive. Cain beat an old beat up washed up Nog, not to take ne thing away from Cain he is very good.
Vinnymanvinny 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 To say that Fedor sucks shows that you clearly know nothing of MMA history.Brock has been exposed 3 times, once by Mir (which he avenged), Carwin beat his ass up and down the cage and loss due to gassing out and finally Cain Velasquez proved to the world that brock has been over hyped.I never bought into Brock, he beat a 45 year old man who was kicking his ass prior to getting caught by a haymaker, his only impressive win was over Mir. Fedor losses for the 1st time
Vinnymanvinny 1 year ago
@Vinnymanvinny LOL, maybe u should run through FATOR'S opponents, if u can even call them that, he hasnt beaten any big names, he has no skill and no talent, brock has beaten all big names
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 All big names? He only beat frank mir and randy, the other 2 he got his ass kicked. Now lets look at fedor, Cro Crop, Big Nog. He fought everyone at their prime.
PepperDixies 1 year ago
@PepperDixies LOL, WHAT??? he got his ass kicked, did u not watch the herring fight, he literally ate him alive, something FATOR could never do, now thats pretty sad. and Nog, LOL R U SERIOUS? Nog sucks ass.
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 fedor knock clean out herring but brock could even knock herring out!
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee LOL, no he didnt, it was doctor stoppage. stop kidding ur self
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 and what was hering face like?fedor almost had killed him.
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee LOL, um that was lesnar that did that, he literally broke his face. and ended his career.
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 brock has very weak chin and he just fears punching face.he turns his back in fight.do u really belive that fedor isnt beter boxer than lesnar?can lesnar subbmit fedor?how?not possible!so what kind of way he can use to win that fight to u see any?
supralee 1 year ago
@supralee LOLOLOLOL, he has an iron jaw, and cant be KO'ed. and FATOR cant even throw a straight punch, he has no skill at all.
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 Don't you feel like the biggest idiot? Lesnar can't be ko'd you say?
silantbill 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 Whos Heath Herring, i see you never watched Pride. There is a reason Fedor won 32 straight. Hes a monster.
PepperDixies 1 year ago
@PepperDixies well its actually 31, but those werent all in pride u dumb fuck, most of them were in shitty jap companies, and they werent even REAL fighters, his REAL record is only 10-1, but his amatuer record is 21-1, LOL and he is FAR from being a monster, if anything he's a baby deer. he's wobbly and cant quite get the hang of things. were as lesnar is the king buck.
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 Lol... if their worthy enough to fight fedor, they are REAL fighters... whats your definition of a REAL fighter btw?
if your talking about when he begun his career and all, thats completely different...
but they are still REAL fighters...
pokerockman 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 oh and Fedor won 32 fights in total and 26 straight, just to clear things up.
pokerockman 1 year ago
@pokerockman well 31, but he's only 10-1 in his pro career, soon to be 10-2
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 Can't be bothered telling you the right things anymore... THERE ALL PRO FIGHTS... damn, learn some thing new today then?
pokerockman 1 year ago
@pokerockman no there not, only 11 of those guys r pro
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1 but it counts as pro fights becuz its in a pro league... lol....
pokerockman 1 year ago
@pokerockman no it doesnt, he only wishes it did
UFCBrockLesnar1 1 year ago
@UFCBrockLesnar1
Don't get over zealous my phrase, 'dream fight.' The phrase was meant to signify you highlighted assumption, that Fedor must prove his skills worthy by fighting new fighters such as Brock, Caine, and whoever the UFC would dish-out on Fedor.
Yes, they would be awesome fights--because anything can happen. I didn't consider Scott Smith a better fighter than Kung Le after he KOed Kung Le because I know that the underdog always has a punchers chance.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou
(Cont)
Fedor deserves the recognition received by the fighters and fans who have followed MMA for a decade. But knuckled heads like you think Brock is the baddest because he beat a few good guys.
Second, learn to argue. To counter my argument (a tutorial) just falsify my claim. Just say, 'No! UFC fighters can fight in other promotions while they are under contract.' But who would believe you?? How am I lying??? Just don't say I'm lying...everyone know this.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
Frank Mir is the shittiest heavyweight to hold a title other than Tim Sylvia of course. All he's got as good ground game which is probably leagues behind Fedor's. He's too stupid to beat him anyways. Wtf kind of BJJ expert tries to stand up with Shane Carwin? One of the dumbest and/or cockiest ones in the world. Even Brock knew he had to take him down, but he couldn't even do that til Shane dominated him and was gassed.
Drunkwraith 1 year ago
@Drunkwraith wow, he knocked out minatauro (for the first time) and knocked out/choked out cheick kongo, former WORLD muay thai champion. im not saying mir is as good of a striker as fedor, but he's not bad. and shane carwin is an animal
KOforLiddell 1 year ago
@KOforLiddell I'll give him credit for that, but it was a matter of time before Nog's chin turned to glass considering the beat downs he took from Fedor, Bob Sapp, Cro Cop, etc. Mir definately has power in his punches, but his overall skill is decent in striking. Mir might be in trouble this Saturday considering all the shit he's been talking about Cro Cop though. If Cro Cop is able to land shots like he did against Anthony Perosh, Mir will go down. I'm hoping for the "left kick: cemetary."
Drunkwraith 1 year ago
if he fought brock lesnar, shane carwin or frank mir i think he will lose all 3.
fedor is a great but not the best
bigteltheking 1 year ago
its amazing that fedor even is where he is as a HW, considering he has to eat to keep his weight up, he could probably be a LHW FFS!
dukeslaps 1 year ago
oh yea, sure titio might not be anything special but he made it a HELL of a lot further then other mma fighters trying to make it in ufc. and also he ALWAYS fought tough competition like liddell twice, beat shamrock 3x, couture, griffen, machida, evans, wanderlei silva like the list goes on and hes 15-7 thats good for the people he fought.
dukeslaps 1 year ago
tim silvia sux he was good for like a year plus strikeforce sux ortiz has sucked for mad long fedor hasnt fought anyone good ina while affliction plz ufc is where its at ik mad ppl r gonna hate this but UFC is the best mma company in the world thumbs up?
mattitudev1hardy 1 year ago
@mattitudev1hardy you expect people to thumbs that up? everyone that actually trains mma knows about the skills needed and knows fedors #1, also you state ufcs so great well they do got best fighters in most divisions and the ones im talking about like st pierre bj penn and others state fedor is the best. who cares if tim sucks... fedor tko him in 30 seconds and he was #1 at ufc for a bit. fedor beat nog twice and arlovski once whom both beat werdum,anyone can lose this is mma not boxing
dukeslaps 1 year ago
@dukeslaps i hate boxing but dont get mean...tim sylvia was past his good age nogueira isa punching bag werdum was released from ufc following his lost against i think a ufc fighter i cant remember and i like brock hes not the best mma fighter but hes HW champ i dont think brock would beat fedor but i think wrestling and or ground and pound yea i would love to see a fight with fedor and shogun or machida or even silva and like i said all the men fedor keeps fighting are old and past their prime.
mattitudev1hardy 1 year ago
Why is trumps weird son allways look like a retard
AndrewRyanJD 1 year ago
Tito...Who the fuck is Fee-a-door?
wfboss 1 year ago
brock is so much stronger.
halsbrygga 1 year ago
someone needs to tell Tito it's not "Feodore"
abdulsadiq 1 year ago
@abdulsadiq actually its more accurate than "fedor", you should do ur homework. Fiódor Vladímirovich Yemelianenko, thats more accurate, because his name its written in other alphabet. and the correct pronounciation is "fyodor". Americans say "fedor" because they are lazy fat ignorants. Even japs, pronounced right.
CrimsonKingl2 1 year ago 2
@CrimsonKingl2 aleks???? is that you??
btw i'm canadian, so i guess add canadians in your list :)
abdulsadiq 1 year ago
Fuck can Tito say Fedor right??
TheTherock1993 1 year ago
fedor would rape brock with his stupid rabbit punches
PROUD602 1 year ago
@PROUD602
fedor would get the same treatment as frank mir.
halsbrygga 1 year ago
Tito said some good stuff other than that hes one of the best Light heavyweights in the world
HEYIMATANK 1 year ago 2
ok tito talks about sylvia, tim sylvia is a joke of a fighter he is nothing special and only had the belt cuz mir had an accident and was force to forfeit it. wow sylvia beat arlovski for the title he got his arm broken from mir to get his title back. Tito also says hes the best light heavyweight in the world hahaha what a joke.Tito sucks thats why he gets his ass whoopd.
Killwhitey741 1 year ago
@Killwhitey741 Joke of a fighter or not, he was ufc champ and his record is 24-5 and he has been through most of the ufc hw fighters. If he is a joke, which I agree, then so is the hw division itself. If Sylvia was Camp should be no 1, if Mir beat him, that would make Mir no 1 and Sylvia No 2. So Fedor demolished the ufc's no 2 fighter in seconds. He also demolished Arlovski and Nog x2, both UFC champs as well. Mir wouldn't stand a chance, Carwin vs Fedor would be a good fight.
sinhaserpente 1 year ago
@DaviGl1 dana even says that these are meant to be watch by groups of people not by yourself. i have like ten people come over and we all chip in 5 bucks so its fine.
DougPelletier 1 year ago
@DaviGl1 look how far UFC has come. Dana is a genius, yes he has his moments of being a douche bag but he has to get things done.
DougPelletier 1 year ago
hell no asshole!!! why did u say that Mexicans are titos fans? ure completely wrong we hate that motherfucker son of a bitch!!!hes trying to mix our culture with shit,,, hes a pussy, and we hate him because that... he only talks, a he does shit in the octagon
RizyHitman 2 years ago
He doesn't adore Fedor tools. Tito was in bed with Affliction before it went tits up. He doesn't like Dana and he tried to run off and make his own money. He failed and now he is back in the UFC.
Warpath2198 2 years ago
I fucking hate Tito Ortiz. SUCH a punk....
adamrst 2 years ago
Tito adores Feadore
egrojodnamra 2 years ago
who's feadore lol..what a tool tito is
nubreed421 2 years ago
Fedor should have called Tito "Tato" (tay-toe) as payback for mispronouncing his name.
MildlyAnnoyedAHM 2 years ago
@MildlyAnnoyedAHM
Actually "Fydor" is how his name's pronounced... so technically Tito came closer to pronouncing his name than anybody. "Feadore" is pretty close.
Most people say "Fay-dor".
smartbomb33 2 years ago
is more Fjodor imo
DeNifter 2 years ago
@smartbomb33 ...exactly, i give credit to people who at least try to pronounce Fedor appropriately!
But i hate Tito...complete D-bag...all talk and then loses fight after fight! If it wasn't for his mexican fans, he would have none!
He is so annoying!!! And he should of said Fedor is the best P4P fighter because Fedor is just that!
I'm tired of people saying one of the best HW's!?? Get the fuck out of here with that shit!!!
whole27 2 years ago 2
tito vs fedor lmfao if he cuts to 205
SpirtualSuzie 2 years ago
Tito call theodor
heaton916 2 years ago 3
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yeah.... fedor needs to give M-1 global the finger and leave them. M-1 global are bitches.
techking231 2 years ago
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wg390 2 years ago
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@techking231
Fedor one of the owner of M-1
He is perfectly financialy independed
This why he didnt give a fuck about UFC
wg390 2 years ago 2
tito sucks in ufc then talks shit
chuckkick 2 years ago 2
Rogers, Arlovski, Lindland, Sylvia, Coleman (Twice), Cro Cop, Babalu, Arona, Nogueira (twice)...yeah, Fedor hasn't fought anyone good, what was i thinkin? -_-
8888eight8898 2 years ago 23
@8888eight8898 hahhahah, yeah, yeah, man, what the hack were you thinkin?
47Dreadlox 1 year ago
@8888eight8898 ALL this fighter are ZERO against BROCK.......WE WANT BROCK VS FEDOR! if fedor destroy brock he can be retired......
LIGHTWEIGHTSERGIO 1 year ago
@8888eight8898 Arona won that fight.He got fucked by the judges though.
TheTherock1993 1 year ago
@8888eight8898
they are nothing. they are not even top 10 heavyweights,
halsbrygga 1 year ago
@8888eight8898 ummm yea but lets look at brock's resume shall we? randy couture, heath herring, and frank mir (almost twice if mazzogoti wasnt a dick). not too many fighters but that just proves even more how good he is cuz he just started mma a few years ago and he's already beat some pretty good names. id love to see this fight happen but fedor is a pussy and wont accept under a billion bucks to fight in the ufc.
wild1033 1 year ago
@8888eight8898 He hasn't had a lot of fight vs top fighters.
neomysterio 1 year ago
@8888eight8898 Rogers: inexperienced/owned by Overeem, Arlovski: washed up/glass jaw, Lindland: Middleweight, Sylvia: washed up/knocked out by Ray Mercer in less time than Fedor, Coleman: washed up/1-4 in the UFC since 1998, Babalu: Light Heavyweight, Arona: Light Heavyweight, Cro Cop: lost 3 times in the UFC, Nog: Fedor couldn't finish him in 3 fights, has been finished twice in the UFC, in only one attempt by Mir and Velasquez.
How many of these fighters are in the top 5 today? ZERO.
w1seguys 1 year ago
@w1seguys he didnt fight them today
8888eight8898 1 year ago
@8888eight8898 WOW aren't you a genius. What's funny is that you're a hypocrite setting a double standard, by stating that these fighters are somehow worse today, but Fedor is exactly the same. He may not have fought them today, but he did fight them when they were either on their way down or still unproven as fighters. I also find it hilarious that you posted middleweights and light heavyweights in your list of the best fighters Fedor has faced. Also Ricardo Arona got screwed by the judges.
w1seguys 1 year ago
@w1seguys No one like to take into consideration that Fedor has beat 5 guys with not 1 MMA victory or the fact that Mark Coleman was washed up when he fought Fedor both times. Randleman has lost his last 8 out of 10 including his fight with Fedor. Tim Sylvia was never that great the guy was not a great fighter at all. The only 2 Greats Fedor did beat were Cro Cop & Nog both of whom got their asses KO'D in the UFC. All Fedor fans are good for is coming up with Excuses for Fedor.
josh7982 1 year ago
Let's look at Brock: 4-1... was losing to Couture, couldn't finish Herring (doctor stoppage vs Fedor), lost to Mir and then had one decisive win... He had one decisive win that matters...
Fedor on paper is by far an away the greatest heavyweight in the world. He will destroy Werdum in the rematch, then destroy Overeem and then lets hope he makes his way into the octogon.
Fantastor 1 year ago
@Fantastor Fedor has 34 fights and Brock only has 5 and Brock would still Destroy Fedor. On paper Fedor was supposed to beat Werdum but that didn't happen did it.
josh7982 1 year ago
@josh7982 No but the point is clear isn't it... Imagine how unlikely it is for somebody to go 10 years unbeaten?? That was a fluke win. Fedor got overconfident.. it took 28 straight wins for that to happen. He will destroy Werdum 2nd time round.
Brock has 1 win. 1 decisive win. How does that make him brilliant?? You're buying the hype. He outwrestled a weak 240lbs Mir. Carwin is going to show him up.
Fantastor 1 year ago
@josh7982 And btw there are plenty of guys in the UFC imo that can and will beat Brock given the chance. Gonzaga, Nogeuira, Carwin. Others that would give Brock trouble are Arlovski and Sylvia. in fact I think Arlovski would cut him up. Take Fedor's record, fighter by fighter... ask yourself would Brock waltz through all of them?
Fantastor 1 year ago
@Fantastor Arlovski got beat by Brett Rogers and Tim Sylvia is too Clumsy to last in a fight with Brock Lesnar. Brock will Beat Carwin this Saturday and when that happens you guys will start to realize Brock is for real. Nogueria Won't beat Brock hell Mir beat Nog and Brock crushed Mir. Gonzaga would lose to Lesnar no doubt in my mind about that. I understand Brock has to prove himself and believe me he will.
josh7982 1 year ago
@josh7982 My point was I think he'll struggle against big guys with better technique. I hope you're right. It's going to be very interesting. Hopefully his gut problems haven't damaged him too much. imo Carwin is going to mangle him.
Fantastor 1 year ago
@josh7982 Carwin used Lesnar as his personal human punch bag!
Lesnar sucks, bad thing that Carwin ran out of gas, but now you have an idea of how good your champ is lol.
Lesnar reminme this moron Bob Sapp.
206ernesto 1 year ago
@206ernesto Take into Consideration that Lesnar hadn't fought in a year and Ring Rust Could've been a Factor. I admit I didn't like the way Brock Curled up and just took a beating from Carwin but on the other hand it proved a couple of things #1 That Lesnar has a good Chin, #2 Lesnar can take punishment and keep going. You say Lesnar reminds you of Bob Sapp, Do you remember Sapps fight with Bobby Lashley? You remember how Sapp Tapped Out due to Punches?
josh7982 1 year ago
@206ernesto (Cont) Sapp didn't even make it out of the first round before tapping due to punches and thats the ultimate weakness & Humiliation. Atleast Brock managed to defend against Carwins Ground & Pound and Brock even managed to get the fight back to his feet and press Carwin against the Cage for the last 1:05 of the 1st round. So it's not like Carwin completely destroyed Brock or anything. Given all due circumstances Brock does not suck considering all he has been through the last 9 months.
josh7982 1 year ago
206ernesto 1 year ago
@206ernesto bob sapp??? he fuckin sux! fedor hasnt fought anyone good ina while and ortiz pshh come on the rest is ehhh i really like brock so idk yea
mattitudev1hardy 1 year ago
@w1seguys
You sir, have a way with words. :D
Oh, not only is Lindland a true middleweight, but people seem to gloss over the fact that Fedor was holding the ropes for over ten seconds with no point deduction in that fight, and then used his momentum off the release in order to gain a favorable position. BS.
But, in all fairness, Fedor is STILL a bad motherfuckah.
Godzillabatman 1 year ago
@w1seguys Nogueira and Cro Cop are past their best. In the same way that former UFC champs Arlovski and Sylvia are. These guys were the best in the world at the time that Fedor beat up on them. Nogueira is a legend - he hung on for dear life against Fedor and was successful because he's just so damn good. Times change. Prime Nogueira vs Prime Mir??
Fantastor 1 year ago
@w1seguys
Most of these guys you mentioned are way past their prime. Four years ago they'd be considered the best. Nog. was the 'Rocky' of MMA; he suffered his first KO after 30 pro fights. Just look at his 04 face and compare it to his 09 face. We should really consider this factor. Mir and Cain are awesome, but Nog will be retiring very soon.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@8888eight8898 8 Guys out of 35 fights How about the ten fighters Fedor fought that haven't got a single victory in MMA? How About Hong Man Choi really? Zulu? Yuji Nagata? The 5 he's fought with losing records? That already outweighs the number of descent fighters. 50 year old Ray Mercer beat Tim Sylvia faster than Fedor did. Frank Mir Ko'd both Nog & Cro Cop something Fedor never did. Cain Ko'd Nog again Fedor never did that. Sean Mcorkle Broke Mark Hunt's arm with a Kimura Fedor couldn't.
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
Nogeuira suffered his first KO after 10 years of professional fighting. Just compare the photos of Nog when he fought Fedor in 2003 and 2004 and current ones. A fighter can only take so much damage. As for the cans Fedor has fought, every champ must fight them. It only strengthens the argument that has so great for beating them. As far as Mir and Lsnar, anything can happen in this sport.
For the die hard fans, they consider him the best from a techi perspective.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou
Plus,
Mir, BJ Penn, GSP, Randleman, Coleman, Coutoure, [all of them were UFC champs] and many more have explicitly stated that fedor is P4P best.
Just look-up 'MMA fighters talk Fedor'. It's a two part clip.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou I don't need to hear a bunch of UFC fighters say Fedor is the best, it's not going to change my opinion until Fedor starts fighting better competition nothing will change my mind. I don't live in the past I live for what a fighter has done recently and Fedor hasn't done much here lately.
Danielson184 1 year ago
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christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou
You don't know anything about this sport. You're a casual spectator. A champ must have a dominant track record. His 2 of hist 4 most RECENT fights were against two former UFC champs. Together, these two fights have lasted 3 minutes total---both by KO.
But you avoid the opinion of these MMA champs who know how to evaluate fighters. Brock and Carwin have not beaten with the best of the best .
Only casual fans consider Brock the best. Are you an ignorant casual?
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou Lets run down Fedor's opponents last 7 opponents, shall we? Fedor vs. Matt Linland April 14th, 2007 isn't Matt Linland a middle weight? That means Fedor fought someone 2 weight classes below him and still had trouble beating him. Fedor outweighed Lonland by 40 pounds. Next 28-1 Fedor vs. 1-0 Hong Man Choi. What's wrong with this picture here? Shouldn't 28-1 Fedor be fighting someone with a much better Record than 1-0? HMC is just a big guy he's slow as hell and thats about it.
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
A) Hong Man Choi was a money maker for the Japanese audience. Plus, he was like the Chaq of Pride; he was there because of his size---its a spectacle.
B) Mentioning all his recent fights from Choi to Rogers only strengthens claims of his dominance and superb skill. Werdum caught him, because anything can happen. Ask Brock, he would agree.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou You just admitted that the so called best HW in the world took part in a FREAKSHOW when he fought HMC Thats all HMC is in MMA. Fedor fighting a guy 2 weight classes below him Strengthens his claims of dominace? Fedor beat a past his prime Tim Sylvia. Got controlled by Mark Hunt most of their fight BTW Hunt now has a losing record in MMA and even lost to Josh Barnett before getting a shot a Fedor's Pride HW title Hunt hasn't won a fight since that loss to Josh Barnett.
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
I did just admit that :)
If someone is the best, then they can dominate cans
Dominate=defeating an opponent in the first round
We can also say...if not dominate, then not the best (contrapositive)
Fedor dominated all those names that you mention. Though not a HUGE strengthener, you claims do not counter my stance. THey strengthen, bec all the cans did not last 10min
I am not sure why you are bringing up Hunt vs Barnett. Anything can happen in MMA. Fedor never fought Barnett.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou Exactly! Fedor never did fight Barnett yet Barnett beat Hunt then Hunt's next fight was against Fedor for the Title. Pride protected Fedor and now M1 is doing the same thing.
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
...and Fedor beat Hunt in the first round. But I still don't understand why you trying to reference so n so beat what his face who beat the guy....that line of reasoning doesn't work. Especially when it comes to Fedor. I could respond by referencing the guys who Fedor beat, and who also beat Barnett a few times. But then we'd go in a merry go round since this train isn't solely a sufficient means of comparing fighters. E.G. Nog had a fever when he was KOed recently...etc
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@Danielson184
After reading this post again, I realized that this argument fails to support its main point. You try to conclude that M-1 protects Fedor by referencing the result of Hunt vs. Barnett. Barnett had been accused of steroid use. Second, you're assuming too much about what led to that title fight. You reference a fight, then conclude that Pride protected Fedor since you assume that Barnett deserved the title shot, then you shift your scope from a promotion to a management team...
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou I'm simply saying that Mark Hunt didn't deserve a title shot at Fedor i'm saying that Josh Barnett deserved the shot over Hunt. When I say Pride protected Fedor I mean they made sure Fedor wouldn't lose they made sure that most of the guys Fedor fought were guys they knew Fedor could beat. The same goes for M-1 They were the ones responsible for Fedor not signing with the UFC they only put Fedor in fights they know he can win until Werdum came along. I was comparing the two
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
Well thank you for clearing up your comment. Now I see, Barnett deserved the shot. Oh OK...So if Barnett vs Fedor came through then that would have....We were scuffling over whether Fedor should be considered one of the best fighters ever, even the best (my opinion). Besides, why are speculating that M-1 controlled the bracketing of that tournament? Even if so, all tournaments are like that. The guy whose predicted second fights the champ last...etc..shall I explain?
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou What Tournament are you taking about?
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
I was thinking of what led to Fedor vs Hunt...Wiki Shockwave 06 or just wiki their match. But 1 point goes to you since I thought they fought in a tournament, but 2 points go to me because the evidence casts doubt over your M-1 speculation anyhow...but I really like this debate :)..looking forward to your reply
ps
More points go to me bec we I brought up bracketing as a counter to why Fedor fought some cans. Some for the spectacle others bec of a tournament
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou Think about the M-1 thing like this Fedor owns part of M-1 and M-1 co-promotes Fedor's fights THEY DON'T WANT THAT MOTHERFUCKER TO LOSE because as soon as he does his stock takes a dive and guess what so does theirs. Tell Me why Fedor didn't sign with the UFC and you have to admit that the HW division in the UFC is better than SF'S HW division. As far as all the Cans Fedor has Fought Egidijus Valavicius, Nagata, HMC, Zulu, Hunt, &Rogers are all cans they weren't in Tournaments.
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
I don't understand why you're pressing speculation by asking rhetorical questions that merely beg the question are presuppose the speculation in the first place.
A) Fedor is a part owner of M-1, and a Combat Sombo International Master of sport. He can neither compete in Sambo nor co-promote his fights if signed to the UFC. That's why he went to Strikeforce. It all about the dollars. Strikeforce means more money in the long run.
B)Overrem has been accused of steroids..etc
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou Cont... Tell me why Fedor hasn't Fought Overeem, Overeem even called Fedor out and Scott Coker went back on his word after saying the winner of Fedor vs. Werdum would get a title shot at Overeem then turned around and said Fedor should fight Overeem. Why is Fedor dodging Overeem?
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
(Cont)
C) Overeem and Fedor don't dodge each other. It's management issues. Overeem had stated that Fedor's dodging him afteter his fight w/ Rogers just for promotion reasons. It's safe to assume that, since DEMAND-->$, and since Fedor had offered a fight once he couldn't get a rematch w/ Werdum due to W's surgery. Overeem rejected to compete in this fall's K-1 Grand Prix.
So now that I've answered your questions I hope that I casted some doubt over your speculations.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou Overeem announced back in June that he would be competing in the K-1 Grand Prix this fall. Fedor challenged Overeem to a November or December fight knowing the Overeem was going to be fighting in K-1 during that time. Fedor is a fraud and him challenging Overeem to specifaclly fight in November or December knowing full well Overeem could not fight him proves exactly what a coward Fedor is.
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
Again you are not proving a point by presupposing what you're setting out to prove. You say Fedor challenges Overeem, because he knew that Overeem can't accept the challenge. Therefore, Fedor is dodging Overeem. That's the gist of your argument. You assume a motive for an action, the action happens and from that you figure that the motive was proven as-well. Do you see the merry go round??
Also, your speculation began with M-1 fixing Fedor's fights. Now Fedor's to blame???
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou Look man i'm really enjoying this debate we're having here but it seems to me that you're just ignoring all the facts to justify Fedor not fighting the best competition PRESENT DAY. Overeem did call out Fedor after Fedor beat Brett Rogers and it was supposed to be Fedor vs Overeem instead of Rogers VS. Overeem for whatever reason Fedor did not accept the fight with Overeem but instead decided to fight Werdum.
Danielson184 1 year ago
@christosphotiou (Cont) Then all of a sudden after Overeem announces he's going to K1 and Fedor challenges him? Even Overeem questioned Fedor calling him out after the fact it is very strange that Fedor wanted no part of Overeem when he called Fedor out but now he does but it has to be a November or December fight. Why not Challenge Overeem to a fight for early next year when you know he'll be able to accept that fight?
Danielson184 1 year ago
@Danielson184
haha..oops...'Shaq' and not 'Chaq'
christosphotiou 1 year ago
@christosphotiou (Cont) Next Fedor vs. Tim Sylvia, Tim Sylvia came into his fight with Fedor with 2 losses in his last 3 fights so it's not like he was on a winning roll or anything. In fact Sylvia had lost his previous fight before he fought Fedor and Sylvia was UFC HW Champ when the division was weak. Fedor vs. Arlovski, Arlovski came into this fight with a 5 fight winning streak & was outstriking and beating Fedor until he went crazy with that flying knee Arlovski gave Fedor trouble.
Danielson184 1 year ago
@christosphotiou (Cont) Fedor vs. Rogers, Brett Rogers came into that fight with Fedor undefeated but who did Rogers actually beat to deserve to fight the #1 fighter in the world? The same man Fedor before Brett did. Andrei Arlovski and that was Bretts only Credible win and he still gave Fedor problems. Fedor vs. Werdum 69 secs into this fight the whole world got to see the so called "Best Fighter" get embarrassed by Werdum in a quick submission victory for Werdum. Do you get the point now?
Danielson184 1 year ago
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@Danielson184
So you avoid the opinion of these MMA champs, who know how to evaluate fighters? Instead you only take into account recent fights?? So the the recent fights of Brock and Carwin have been with the best of the best...? What has been so special about these fights? Fedor's most recent fights---the past two years---have been with two former UFC champions, and two other strong opponents. Asides from his ONLY loss from Werdum, those UFC champs together lasted 3 minutes.
christosphotiou 1 year ago
tito vs fedor hahahaha.
DcN51791 2 years ago
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im scared if fedor fights brock, he might do something wrong and then brock gets lucky and wins and it makes it look like anyone that joins the ufc even an amateur can beat a legend
926531 2 years ago
All you crybabies sound the same.
DebbilsAdvocate 2 years ago
if he cut down to 205 hell ya lol tito would die
drewbear923 2 years ago 7
Seriousley , who gives a fuck about who would beat who none of u cunts would even know whod win regardless of who u support.
Stats dont mean shit come fight time unless its 2 opponents that have faced each other before or if they are not even a contender end of story.
AYEJAY666 2 years ago 2
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and please he beat Mark Coleman liek how old is he he should have been out of the game years ago Fedor is fighting all the UFC washed up fighters and saying hes the best hes a joke and till I see him knock out some real fighters all he is. is a fuckeing Russian Mifa joke fighter he needs to ditch them and make some real money Fedor is poor maybe if he had any desision who he fights then he would be something but hes a fucking joke thats why he dont come to UFC
crazythunder82 2 years ago
You're an idiot!
ruderooter 2 years ago
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to be the best pound for pound fighter people you need to beat the best fighters out there and who has Fedor beat besides some old washed up UFC fighters . . . . when he can dominate the fighting sean like Anderson Silva all over the world and then come into UFC and keep knocking people out like the spider then I will say hes the best but till then Fedor is a paper champ and the Russian Mifa will never let him fight in the states cause then they would lose money
crazythunder82 2 years ago
lol he does fight in america... and old washed up ufc fighters? there old now! not at the time he beat them, they wer ein their prime, he beat heath herring before herring was in UFC sort your facts out,
eveza12345 2 years ago
I don't really like Tito or Dana white, but I have to go with tito on this. Look at the Kimbo situation: He would always say "kimbo sucks" or "Kimbo would get killed". Now look listen to his comments about kimbo. Fact of the matter is he flip- flops too much. I guarrantee that when Fedor ends up in the UFC he is going to say that Fedor is the best pound per pound fighter blablabla the way he has with his champions while they shine. once they are no longer UFC fighters he bashes them.
Gooseneck29 2 years ago 2
would love to see the fight but it will never happen to many people would lose money if Brock won and that is what would happen
crazythunder82 2 years ago
Brett is 10-1 ( loss to fedor, which is inevetiable) brock is 3-1. If he comes back Frank Mir will whoop on him. Frank is now up to 264 lbs.
belgradeboy89 2 years ago
Lol, Even Brett can TKO Lesnar. :) Lesnar 4-1, Fedor 31-1! Lesnar no have chance.
If Fedor win Lesnar, Dana needed to say Fedor is the best. And than Dana will never take Fedor to UFC and lost a lot of money. And UFC Champion always will be #2.
Lancer039 2 years ago 3
im a brock fan, but after fedor's fight against brett rogers i really doubt brock is capable of fighting against fedor
ryan803 2 years ago
I'd really like to see brett vs brock! I think Brett would come in and just destory everyone in UFC's HW division.
belgradeboy89 2 years ago 2
agreed, i think he'd give brock a split decision lol
ryan803 2 years ago
UFC's HW division sucks now. Brock is a joke. 3-1 and he is regarded as one of the greats. Its ridiculous.
belgradeboy89 2 years ago 2
brock will end up ground and pounding fedor then fedor will get an armbar out of nowhere thats how the fights gonna be
Exarsh 2 years ago 17
Sooo true
tom22isthebest 2 years ago
@Exarsh Not gonna happen Brock HAS crasy strong arms probly strongest arms in the mma today
Noobzoo19 1 year ago
@Noobzoo19 it has nothing to do with strong arms
Exarsh 1 year ago
@Exarsh what has it then to do with Speed? submission defence obviously brock has got really good submission defence after his first fight with frank mir thats all they trained for 17 months
Noobzoo19 1 year ago
@Noobzoo19 fedor has way more grappling exprience than brock
Exarsh 1 year ago