this life is not the only life Mankind neither created himself nor was created by objects around him that because he is mindful and they are mindless and he and they all were created from nothing by one God he is the one who bring all beings to life and causes them to die.
@dvrn86 Well, I tried to keep my little nephew from running out into the street by scaring him with the idea of what being run over would be like. It worked.
@dvrn86 True, which is why I used that example. But if there is a hell, going there is worse than getting hit by a car. I know how grating religious certitude can be; with the unseen infinite, some doubt is far more attractive. However, that's different from saying people shouldn't act on their beliefs; I've come to see these exhortations (spiced with hellfire) as less an assault than a sincere caution; and IF they're right, I'll be pissed if no one at least tried to warn me about the car.
@booker1959 yeah i see what you mean. I find most of them to be like salesmen trying to sell you their "brand" . Yes there are a certain few who are genuine in their motives but i find alot of them to be insulting more than anything.
@dvrn86 I was drawing on a personal experience; without going into details, several years ago I found myself in conservative Christian "environment", not exactly by choice; I found out very quickly how to distinguish between people who saw the Bible as something to smack me with (figuratively!), and others--who were no less doctrinally uncompromising--who sincerely wanted to offer me something they believed would bring me happiness and salvation. Neither won me over, but I appreciated the latter
@TechnologicalTyranny Your reasoning would have marit if that verse taken from the KJ version was different from the original Greek translation. So...what are you talking about? Do you even know.. Have you done a cross comparison with the original Greek, and Hebrew translations of the bible or are you just regurgitating something you've heard? Blah, blah, blah...
Back up your illogical statements or keep your regurgitated crap to your self.
I made a million tiny robots. I want the robots to love me, worship me, to kneel at the sight of my perfection for eternity. These are my rules for the robots. I get very mad when they don't do them, so I gave them free will, and of course I am Omnipotent so I already knew they would not follow these rules. I still get mad when they don't follow these rules even though I already knew they wouldn't when I made them. I killed my son because they still didn't even though I knew they would not.
@TheAgnosticApe I made a million of tiny human souls. I want the human souls to love the light (me), worship me, to be humble and live at the sight of my perfection for eternity. These are my desires for my creation. I got very upset when they chose darkness, so I sent my only son Jesus to die for their sins, and all they have to do is believe (trust) me, but they continue to choose darkness over love, hatred over real love (Jesus). I resurrected my son and will resurrect my children too.
@2MakeTheDifference Continuing... but unfortunately many still don't believe, they think they will get away with their hate, selfishness, stubbornness, PRIDE, wrong doing and so forth. I'm a God of Love & Justice. And because I am a God of Love I MUST PUNISH evil. The place where I live is 100% perfect, there is no room for failure, error, sin... Therefore, the blood of my son enables those who love me to live with me forever in a place filled with love, peace, tranquility....
There is not the slightest evidence for the existence of hell or the existence of the God of the bible.
I must say Ray and his sidekick understand it to sell the hell-story much better than the fundamentalist islamists out there. I think the fundamentalist moslems should look up how ray does it. because he does it brilliantly.
@ThePhantom135 How is that sad? Or are you just being judgmental? Kirk is using the same method that Jesus Christ used to confront sinners. People don't realize they need a Savior unless the law and wrong doing is presented to them. Like why should they change if everything is rosy? And Kirk also has many hit movies and helps the "Way of the Master' ministry.
@paulgosen777 Jesus Christ is a rip-off the Egyptian god Horus. And going up to people telling them that they will spend eternity in a lake of fire for not agreeing with them seems kind of silly if you ask me. It's like a conservative going up to a liberal or libertarian saying that they will suffer great agony for not voting Republican. And you don't need religion to be nice to people.
@ThePhantom135 And you know this how??? I have proof God exists. It's called creation. And Jesus is a alive because He lives within me. I have to tell you that you are sadly mistaken. Satan has got you fooled by the world's system and believing a lie. I have been a believer for over 30 years. I know what I am talking about. I don't know what you believe in but my believe in Christ grants peace, joy, love, hope and eternal life. What do you have?
@paulgosen777 How Christian of you. I have the love of my family and friends. That's all I'll ever need, thank you very much. They grant me so much unconditional love and ask nothing in return. All I can do to repay them for it is to give it back in equal amounts. To ask for anything beyond that (including the approval of a sky daddy and his zombie Jew son) is greedy and selfish. If the life I have now is a lie, at least I've witnessed some beauty, truth, and love along the way.
@ThePhantom135 I am as Christian as attempting to tell you the truth for your own good. You may enjoy unconditional love from your family and that is great. Whoever said that was wrong. At least I care enough to step out of my comfort zone and brave your slanderous accusations against God and Jesus. Who by the way DO love you, you my friend are being fed a lie by the established powers that be. And I am afraid you are willfully closing your eyes to TRUTH. Are you comfy?
@paulgosen777 Yes, I am comfy. Thank you for asking. I don't need your "truth". You don't really care about me personally; you're only concerned about the concept of me: a non-believer. You see me as this lost soul and you think your sky wizard will grant you a special place in your celestial theme park if you try to "save" me. Spare me your self-righteousness. I don't need a book that condones selling your daughter as a sex slave and mutilating genitalia for moral guidance.
@ThePhantom135 OK I tried. You can think all the evil thoughts you wish then. It seems you are truly happy with your fulfilled life and you don't need or want to believe in God. That's fine, we are all entitled to our choices. But, I wash my hands of your unbelief and will no longer throw my 'pearls to swine'. Enjoy your life to the fullest and remember this on judgement day. YOU WERE WARNED! You may have the final word if you wish cuz I will no longer respond to you.
So what they're saying is, since I've committed adultery by divorcing and remarrying (Mark10:12), I won't go to heaven unless I remarry my original husband? That that's how I could "turn away" from that sin? Because as long as I stay married to my current husband I'm still committing adultery?
@ipaycloseattention I think repentance in your heart for disappointing God and making a mistake with your first marriage is sufficient. That is man made doctrine to remarry your first husband. The entire divorce issue was only mentioned by Paul, not Jesus or God. In the Old Testament, God's righteous followers like Moses and Abraham had numerous wives, that would be considered adultery, yet it was acceptable by God. I think you are just fine. God bless you.
@DreamsOfCottages But Jesus did talk about divorce and remarrying, in Mark 10:11-12. 11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. That said, I have repented and turned away from everything else (God even broke my smoking addiction for me), ut I'm having a hard time feeling saved. No matter how much I try to live
@ipaycloseattention for the will of God, I don't have the feeling that I'm saved. I read the bible and pray every day, but I still feel a strange disconnect that I can't really explain or break. Regardless of my devotion to, and longing for, Christ, I think I've been found unworthy for the Book of Life...Thank you for your time.
@ipaycloseattention LOL you caught that did ya? I realized after posting "DUH!", Jesus does specifically talk about this. It still doesn't change anything....the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So Jesus talking about divorce doesn't make it unforgivable. I think Jesus meant it as a deterrent from people getting sick of their mates and switching for newer models.
Im wondering if your issue with not "feeling" saved is because you are worried about what you can "do"...
@DreamsOfCottages LOL that's why my name is "ipaycloseattention". I was raised a Christian, and have always believed in Jesus and everything He did for us, but I have just recently started studying the bible and learning all the things I've been doing wrong. People have been giving me conflicting messages lately, including pastors, so I turned away from them and searched for the truth in the Word of God. I was always taught the "just believe" doctrine, so imagine my surprise to
@ipaycloseattention discover that Jesus says there are things you must, and not do. Faith isn't just John 3:16. Maybe I AM looking a little too much for what I should do, but I've always been action-oriented, so that's my M.O. I'm such a control freak, I don't even know how to go about surrendering, so I've just been praying for Him to point me in the direction of His will. I truly do want to spend my life serving the Lord.
@ipaycloseattention You ARE on the right path....remember God looks at our hearts, it is only man that judges from the outside of you sister. When we are judged God will look to see what our motives were for whatever we did. The fact that you worry so much about offending Him shows just how much love you have for Him :) I have been where you are, knowing you need to surrender but finding it impossible. Your doing the right thing by praying for guidance, just let the Holy Spirit work in you..
@ipaycloseattention ...and it will be done in His own perfect timing. Just be patient. I know it's hard. Whenever you are reading the Word remember to ask the Teacher what you should be shown. The Teacher being the Holy Spirit ;) The great Translator of the Word. Things have multiple meanings in the Word, that's why its considered "Living". I wish you the best and I know God does too :) God Bless you always, Ashley
@ipaycloseattention Salvation is a free gift of grace, it isn't from anything we can do. It is what Jesus did that fulfilled it. Perhaps you feel disconnected out of guilt or disappointment with yourself. Do you have any unrepentent sin in your life? If I were you, I would start there :) Sometimes when we feel separated from God it is because He is chastizing his children for a sin we haven't asked for forgiveness for...this only proves you are one of His and in the book of life :)
@ipaycloseattention All glory be to God :) Im more than happy to help!! That is what I am here for. To be an encouragement and fellowship with the Body of Christ! Feel free to sub/add contact, I do mostly Christian based videos on my channel...they may benefit you and you can find other Christians there as well to fellowship with who will not judge you but lead you towards a better relationship with Jesus.
Who does he think he is, frightening people with his stupid fairy stories.
There are two things that have ensured that Christianity is where it is now. The first is persecution. Kill anyone who believes in another religion. Even kill those who believe in the same 'god' but belong to a different church. The second is fear of 'eternal damnation'. If ever man ceases to be insane, then Christianity and the other two 'revealed religions' will be consigned to the history books where they belong.
Yay! The threat of imaginary torture from an imaginary being, used to make people feel guilty in life. What a waste of time and mental energy. I think Kirk and Banana Man need to go find productive jobs.
What do you call a person who lies? What ever their name is.... If god is concerned about me lying to people, saying I like my girlfriends boring new dress or telling my friend his awful tattoo is really cool, he's got some screwed up priorities!
@yadaelroiy So you think living by these rules would be good? You think they form a strong base for morality? I think any human could come up with better ones haha (although humans did)
Awesome to see such foul enemies of the cross looking at and rating this video! ALL roads lead to the judgement seat of Jesus Christ!Thanks for the video! Been following you guys since i got out of the penitentiary four years ago and love face to face encounters with the lost! Praise to the Most High God in Jesus Christ!Wow!
”Don’t speak to me about your religion; first show it to me in how you treat other people. Don’t tell me how much you love your God; show me in how much you love all His children. Don’t preach to me your passion for your faith; teach me through your compassion for your neighbors. In the end, I’m not as interested in what you have to tell or sell as I am in how you choose to live and give.” ~ Cory Booker ~ Mayor of Newark, N.J.
How about this....God had sex with a married woman (mary) He has murdered (the children that made fun of elijah for being bald, Lot's Wife, etc...) He has stolen in taking lot's wife from him. He kills his own son, tells others to kill theirs, Ordered rape of virgin girls....what sane person would take moral lessons from an adulterous, murdering, rapist???
@danielfochtman Pretty embarrassing ignorance,homeboy!Try reading the #1 best selling book of all time BEFORE trashing what others find so sacred.You aren't the first one to spit in the face of God.How lame to"put down" the God you WILL face the second you take you last little breath of air.I used to suck on satans face,too,but Jesus saved my soul and life.We will be praying for the eyes of your heart,Daniel(a sacred Biblical name,just fyi).Read Psalm 51 and John 3:16-21.Thanks!
@brentjones4831 And here is a verse where your god kills 42 small boys. 23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 25 And he went on to Mount Carmel and from there returned to Samaria.
@brentjones4831 Here is a great order by holyman Moses. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. -- Numbers 31:15-18
@danielfochtman Wild,huh?That a book would record the wierdest stuff for our little finite minds to trip over.I could dig into this further and get you answers,but would it really matter?As an overview,i CAN tell you the O.T.was satan going after the bloodline of Jesus Christ,and so it's full of battles,captivities,and chaos in the failed attempt to keep the Lord from being born.Why do you hate this God that died for you,man?Let go of the losing team.Join His!
@brentjones4831 You obviously can't read. God Kills Children, I just pointed this out. Why would I join his side. Did you know that the NT was written by ppl who weren't even alive when jesus was? Was written 60-100 years after his death.
@danielfochtman All souls belong to God,and taking that child home BEFORE that child rebels is mercy.We all die.100% in case you missed it. Your uninformed hit on the NT is refuted by the FACT that the wiping out of Jerusalem wasn't mentioned in any of the texts(AD 70). But you don't care.You want the darkness.It's what you know.I get it.Jesus came to die for us.So while you analize history out of context,keep in mind He is calling you right NOW! Neat,huh?Gotta go!Stay in touch!
@danielfochtman Many books in the NT were from eye witnesses... fragments of Mark being found dating within 40 years of his death(qumran fragment 7q5). While you probably believe in Caesar in which the earliest writings by him (Gallic Wars) that we have are from 900 years after his death. Recordings of Nero = 800 years after his death, Historian Josephus' writings which are quoted regularly = 1300 after death, and many other things in ancient history that are accepted as truth.
@brentjones4831 Moses explains god's law regarding selling your daughter as a sex slave.Exodus 21:7-
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself..
. @brentjones4831 And for the record, the bible is NOT the #1 best selling book. Most people who possess a bible didn't pay for them, they were gifts. Or forced on the owners, such as myself. a tale of 2 cities is the best selling book
@LarrenceUmpersalt Like you understand it.Pride is the first killer of the soul.The mother of all human soul sickness.Once you realize that what you know about everything could be put on a postage stamp with a crayon,you just MIGHT wake up to the fact that your Maker may have other plans for you life.A "pathetic philosophy"?WHAT?Give us yours,on this forum.These people do this to guide you to Jesus Christ in order to save your soul.Watch"just stop and think"on youtube.&THINK!
In other words, Kirk Cameron uses a false analogy by comparing the Christian god's sense of justice and Jesus forgiveness to the human sense of legal justice and practices of leniency, all in an effort to make her admit that she is human and imperfect.
This video's analogy between the human justice system and the Christian god's method of judgment fails. If a person is judged in the human justice system as a criminal, his confession and later repentence of his crimes may or may not lessen his punishment. In contrast, confession of sins and continued confession (repentance) to the Christian god and Jesus will not only ease the judgment and punishment (being sent to hell), but also erase it, according to the Gospels and St. Paul's letters.
Clever, but sooo weak. Just going around proving we are all human with faults, and flaws is all. Believing in god doesn't change our nature. Prisons are chock full of believers ya know? Priests rape little kids, and I don't think anyone challenges their faith. Kirk is trying to make people feel like sinners for being normal, and flawed humans. Point is, faith has no bearing on character, or else a true believer wouldn't have the same character flaws a non believer. Truth is just truth.
Is God equal in Character to the law.? Is Jesus Christ greater in virtue than the law.? God is not holy by ten commandtments or law. God is perpetual Virtue in holiness, love, mercy, goodness, above and beyond any law. To equal the cross to the breaking of ten commandtments is minimizing God's extended revelation of Himself in the Person of Christ.The law is not God , God is not the law.Christ met the law and went beyond law to satisfy God and thats the Gospel truth.
@polopowers1 Sir, the biblical god doesn't appear to exist. Especially since the 2,000 year old holy book utilized to allegedly confirm his existence is filled with a plethora of ridiculous supernatural stories (and disgusting atrocities). There are no talking snakes, or donkeys, or foliage...women aren't made from ribs and they don't turn into salt...men don't live in whale bellies for 3 days...and Jesus didn't turn into a zombie and fly to heaven.
If there are real God(s) they are not found in the bible, the quran, the vedas, the illiad, or any other self-proclaimed 'words of God(s)'
If any real God(s) actually wanted to tell us something, they would - no faith required. When people claim to speak for a God, any God, they're only speaking from delusions and wishful thinking.
Your rich next door neighbour manufactures the cure but since you are so poor, he refuses to sell it to you. One day, he leaves a box of tablets on the window cill with the window wide open.
"Mommy? Why do I have to die? Cant you do anything in your power to save me?"
"Well... No, Im sorry little Timmy. I could cure you if I stole the pills, but stealing is a SIN!"
@manchester26m That scenario is a little far-fetched. Let's face it -- when someone is manufacturing pharmaceuticals in their home, it's usually crystal-meth.
Let's look at the situation a bit more realistically. Do you think parents should rob pharmacies to get drugs they can't afford for their children? Because realistically applied, that's what your argument suggests.
@OneEyedJack1970 "Should" is a bit strong as this suggests it should be a mandatory right which is not what I am suggesting. What I am trying to get at is - Should a "sin" commited in a desperate or extreme situation send someone to hell?
i.e. Stealing a loaf to save someone from starvation or telling a lie to save a life etc
@OneEyedJack1970 My point is, the bigger "sin" is to do nothing. By following the commandment NOT to steal, or NOT to lie, you are actually doing more harm by your inaction. No omnipotent deity could ever fault a sentient being for acting in such a way and if one did - Then it would be demonic, not angelic.
Begging forgiveness for acting as your ("god given") conscience dictates is ridiculous!
@OneEyedJack1970 Good. Even if your conscience has put you in a difficult position where the greater good meant breaking one or more of the commandments?
@manchester26m Never been in a situation like that. Of course, I've broken the commandments for my own reasons many times, but I've never been prompted by my conscience to do so.
@OneEyedJack1970 And I hope you are never in a desperate situation - But you recognise that you could be and Im glad that when tested, you would choose the greater good rather than the law.
As an Atheist, I am not bound by the same code of conduct, I have no threat or reward hanging over me and I believe we have ethics rather than morals and mine are that I neither harm, lie to nor cause loss to another without good reason. I dont only limit this to humankind either.
@manchester26m I guess you've never heard the story of Rahab. You know -- the Canaanite harlot who hid the Hebrew spies, and was spared along with her family in the taking of Jericho.
@dragonfist25 It means that by not telling a lie to save a life, or stealing food to save a life, you succeeded in not breaking the commandments. You followed Gods rules like a good Christian. However, the point I am making is that by NOT doing those things in those circumstances, you brought about death and pain when it was in your power to avert the same.
@manchester26m First of all we all sin. Now matter how hard we try to follow God's rules. Second, what's more important.. telling the truth to confirmed murders? Or protecting the Jews? This is called a hierarchy of importance. Lie to the murders and protect their lives. There is a similar situation to your example in the Bible. See Joshua 2:2-7
@dragonfist25 Id agree that lying to save the lives is the greater good. But then you get Ray. And ray asks you if you have ever lied - You are a liar, you broke a commandment and you should ask God for forgiveness. What you have just illustrated is that there are no absolutes, that "the greater good" is more important than the transgression and that really, calling them "Commandments" is a little strong.
When I was a theist, I understood that God was fair, he would set the bar for heaven
@manchester26m However, since meeting "Christians" it seems that my naive impression was wrong. Good people can go to hell purely for not believing and (for instance) if Hitler in his last moments on Earth repented of his sins and accepted Jesus as his lord and saviour, he would be drinking Pina Colada's with Jesus up in heaven.
@manchester26m I completely agree. Yahweh's sense of justice appears to be somewhat misguided. As a Christian, you can essentially commit as many sins as you would like and then just ask forgiveness. Any philanthropic acts you may perform in your lifetime are truly immaterial.
I was a Christian (or so I thought) for twenty years and my parents sent me to Christian schools. My doubts began immediately since I didn't feel any different after 'being saved'. The pastor said "Give it time...".
@CynicalSkeptic1 But you see, YOU are the one at fault because you just havent given yourself COMPLETELY - Or you just dont have enough faith... Thats what the lesson seems to be.
Anyway, if you are an immortal God, what is the problem in being crucified for a day? If its a toss up between donkey crap ridden Jerusalem and being the big man in heaven, I'd be handing the Romans the nails and hammer, in fact, Id do my feet and left hand myself!
@manchester26m To be fair, the commandment doesn't say "don't lie." It says "don't bear false witness against your neighbor." If you've got a bunch of Jews in your attic hiding from the Nazis, I think it would be perfectly okay to lie to the Nazis on their behalf. That's pretty much how it went down with Rahab at Jericho -- she told the town watch that the Hebrew spies had already gone, when they were actually hiding on her roof.
so, you gotta stoop down to guilt, guilt for being a human, guilt for thinking, what other sleazy reason would you try and give us to convince us to believe in this total nonsense. I'd think we grew up a little since the medieval times.... unfortunately some people haven't. pity
Kirk just made the Gospel of the Kingdom solely about a destination; he said the reason or 'thrust' of his mission was that he does not want people to go to hell. How about this kirk; say rather, "i love you and God exist's and He loves you and we want you to understand and learn to appreciate the part you can play in bringing about the Kingdom of God to the earth as it is in heaven"?
This poor girl is gullible, and physiologically taken advantage by Kirk. If He read his own Bible none of what he uses to shame her would be enough to get her thrown in his imaginary hell.
Matthew 12:31-32 & Luke 12:10, I'm not a Christian and I know this.
Try picking on someone your own size next time Kirk.
@axsimulate why insist on putting your own meaning on these words? i wouldnt quote one line out of a book and assumed it summarised the whole thing. thats out of context. jesus said "i am the way the truth and the life, NO MAN comes to the father but through me" romans says "They have all turned aside;They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one. ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
why do you think theres such an effort to dethrone christ?
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Are you saying Jesus (assuming he existed) was wrong in claiming all sins can be forgiven but one?
What does your quote about "ALL have sinned" have to do with what I said? Oh course Jesus thought everyone sinned, all could be forgiven, save one. Besides if everyone wasn't a sinner, Jesus would be out of the savior business.
Kirk Cameron used rape, the Bible says the penalty for rape is fifty shekels, however that is only if they are caught. If they happen to go undetected, there is no penalty.
Based on this interview, Kirk is a hypocrite and a sinner. He either initaially lusted at that sexy blonde or he is gay, which is a sin according to the Bible.
@Mirewood Give me verses, let's go though individually because it's crucial that we understand them even though you don't want to, because you know there's a God but you'd rather rebel agaisnt Him and pretend He's not there because you know you've sinned against Him.
@Mirewood You'll have to be more specific than saying the OT. Like I said, though, it doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't change reality that He does exist and you will be judged for your actions if you leave this world w/o having repented and put your faith in Christ.
No judge would dismiss the case of rapist who says "I'm sincerely sorry, and I won't do it again", however no reasonable judge would send a jay walker to the electric chair.
Ray and Kirky in a prison cell...I hope Ray has his banana with him...
I love it how these religious tards speak with such authority and high moral ground, yet their whole belief system is based on 2KYO fairy tales conceived by sexually repressed, illiterate desert goat herders who used fear, guilt and sword to control the masses.
If I told the Police that an invisible hamster is talking to me they would lock me up. But if I told them that Jesus talks to me, they would pat me on my back.
Now Christians all over the world will generally interpret the Bible, and the writings therein, differently! Some, like the men in this video have a very harsh interpretation of the Bible. I myself see the rules as foundations of society and it's laws for general populaces, and face it, those nations who founded their laws on biblical rules have to this day seen better days and less corruption than those who have not.
@Suhrkling it might sound harsh to imature christains but if you believe the bible is the inspired word of God then reaching out like this and telling people the truth about Gods judgement day and hell is the most loving thing to do
Now, ppl in general have a hard time living an entire life without sinning at all, and Jesus (being called God's son, as long as he was on earth), did live a sinless life and took upon him all our past and future sins. He also "edited" the old rules, to be more ethically and morally correct, though maybe harder to truly follow. Though he promised that if we believe that he died for our own sins, we will be sinless in God's eyes. Continued again in next comment above this one..
Speaking to skeptics and/or ppl with no extensive knowledge of Christianity: This Faith (it is a faith, a belief, meaning to those who believe it, it is as true as the laws of physics), has written two sets of "rules", the first set, being in the Old Testament, when God (who cannot himself be close to anyone/thing associated with sin/evil), gave Moses the rules to follow to stay away from sin so when ppl die they can be with God, and not exist in the spiritual realm apart from him.. continued-->
Hell? this is of the OT God. The vengeful wrathful God. The God of the OT has humanistic traits which is NOT God. There is no jealousy in a perfect God.
@chaksheba Many people believe in different gods but I believe in the Lord and the Bible is true most nonbelievers just don't believe in the Lord cuz they dont want to have to worry about heaven or hell but until they become Christians they r on their way to hell
Kirk has lost it. He is reading from the dead letters. Gospel comes from the heart and logical reasoning. I bet Kirk does not even know who died on the cross. Jesus or Christ.
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this life is not the only life Mankind neither created himself nor was created by objects around him that because he is mindful and they are mindless and he and they all were created from nothing by one God he is the one who bring all beings to life and causes them to die.
welovetruth 13 hours ago
Everybody who doesnt believe in JESUS should watch the youtube video hell is real, i went there! jenifer perez
acromax23 1 day ago
Tsk tsk tsk. Religion. Sigh.
leetstyle 5 days ago
good way to get people to believe you. scare them with eternal hellfire.
dvrn86 6 days ago
@dvrn86 Well, I tried to keep my little nephew from running out into the street by scaring him with the idea of what being run over would be like. It worked.
booker1959 4 days ago
@booker1959 I'd say it did but no-one is doubting the existence of cars.
dvrn86 4 days ago
@dvrn86 True, which is why I used that example. But if there is a hell, going there is worse than getting hit by a car. I know how grating religious certitude can be; with the unseen infinite, some doubt is far more attractive. However, that's different from saying people shouldn't act on their beliefs; I've come to see these exhortations (spiced with hellfire) as less an assault than a sincere caution; and IF they're right, I'll be pissed if no one at least tried to warn me about the car.
booker1959 3 days ago
@booker1959 yeah i see what you mean. I find most of them to be like salesmen trying to sell you their "brand" . Yes there are a certain few who are genuine in their motives but i find alot of them to be insulting more than anything.
dvrn86 3 days ago
@dvrn86 I was drawing on a personal experience; without going into details, several years ago I found myself in conservative Christian "environment", not exactly by choice; I found out very quickly how to distinguish between people who saw the Bible as something to smack me with (figuratively!), and others--who were no less doctrinally uncompromising--who sincerely wanted to offer me something they believed would bring me happiness and salvation. Neither won me over, but I appreciated the latter
booker1959 3 days ago
I skied once, I guess that makes me a Skier
CapQuacer 6 days ago 3
aaaaah so scared of "hell" now I must believe, that makes perfect sense.
gobbo241 1 week ago
He quotes the Book of Matthew "He who looks upon a women lustfully, has committed adultery...." and so on.
JESUS DIDNT SAY THAT, THE BOOK OF MATTHEW DID.
The Book of Matthew, a book passed between the fingers of hundreds of generations of uptight men, full of sperm, but with no way to release it.
And low and behold we have found ourselves STUCK with the King James version of all those generations of stuck up men.
Wow, so divine is the Bible in its scope and reasoning.
TechnologicalTyranny 1 week ago
@TechnologicalTyranny Your reasoning would have marit if that verse taken from the KJ version was different from the original Greek translation. So...what are you talking about? Do you even know.. Have you done a cross comparison with the original Greek, and Hebrew translations of the bible or are you just regurgitating something you've heard? Blah, blah, blah...
Back up your illogical statements or keep your regurgitated crap to your self.
mailingshaun 1 week ago
Liar? Thief? Blasphemer? Adulterer?
More like human.
papagena552 2 weeks ago
I made a million tiny robots. I want the robots to love me, worship me, to kneel at the sight of my perfection for eternity. These are my rules for the robots. I get very mad when they don't do them, so I gave them free will, and of course I am Omnipotent so I already knew they would not follow these rules. I still get mad when they don't follow these rules even though I already knew they wouldn't when I made them. I killed my son because they still didn't even though I knew they would not.
TheAgnosticApe 2 weeks ago
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2MakeTheDifference 2 weeks ago
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2MakeTheDifference 2 weeks ago
@TheAgnosticApe I made a million of tiny human souls. I want the human souls to love the light (me), worship me, to be humble and live at the sight of my perfection for eternity. These are my desires for my creation. I got very upset when they chose darkness, so I sent my only son Jesus to die for their sins, and all they have to do is believe (trust) me, but they continue to choose darkness over love, hatred over real love (Jesus). I resurrected my son and will resurrect my children too.
2MakeTheDifference 2 weeks ago
@2MakeTheDifference Continuing... but unfortunately many still don't believe, they think they will get away with their hate, selfishness, stubbornness, PRIDE, wrong doing and so forth. I'm a God of Love & Justice. And because I am a God of Love I MUST PUNISH evil. The place where I live is 100% perfect, there is no room for failure, error, sin... Therefore, the blood of my son enables those who love me to live with me forever in a place filled with love, peace, tranquility....
2MakeTheDifference 2 weeks ago
Amazing! Kirk is so great at witnessing to complete strangers! I pray that woman got saved!
samsamx24ever 3 weeks ago
Hahahaha this is a funny video....
It is funny and at the same time sad.
There is not the slightest evidence for the existence of hell or the existence of the God of the bible.
I must say Ray and his sidekick understand it to sell the hell-story much better than the fundamentalist islamists out there. I think the fundamentalist moslems should look up how ray does it. because he does it brilliantly.
balouthewatz 3 weeks ago
Kirk Cameron's life is very sad. He has one hit TV show and now he's on the street evangelizing. Pity.
ThePhantom135 3 weeks ago
@ThePhantom135 How is that sad? Or are you just being judgmental? Kirk is using the same method that Jesus Christ used to confront sinners. People don't realize they need a Savior unless the law and wrong doing is presented to them. Like why should they change if everything is rosy? And Kirk also has many hit movies and helps the "Way of the Master' ministry.
paulgosen777 3 weeks ago
@paulgosen777 Jesus Christ is a rip-off the Egyptian god Horus. And going up to people telling them that they will spend eternity in a lake of fire for not agreeing with them seems kind of silly if you ask me. It's like a conservative going up to a liberal or libertarian saying that they will suffer great agony for not voting Republican. And you don't need religion to be nice to people.
ThePhantom135 3 weeks ago
@ThePhantom135 And you know this how??? I have proof God exists. It's called creation. And Jesus is a alive because He lives within me. I have to tell you that you are sadly mistaken. Satan has got you fooled by the world's system and believing a lie. I have been a believer for over 30 years. I know what I am talking about. I don't know what you believe in but my believe in Christ grants peace, joy, love, hope and eternal life. What do you have?
paulgosen777 3 weeks ago
@paulgosen777 How Christian of you. I have the love of my family and friends. That's all I'll ever need, thank you very much. They grant me so much unconditional love and ask nothing in return. All I can do to repay them for it is to give it back in equal amounts. To ask for anything beyond that (including the approval of a sky daddy and his zombie Jew son) is greedy and selfish. If the life I have now is a lie, at least I've witnessed some beauty, truth, and love along the way.
ThePhantom135 3 weeks ago
@ThePhantom135 I am as Christian as attempting to tell you the truth for your own good. You may enjoy unconditional love from your family and that is great. Whoever said that was wrong. At least I care enough to step out of my comfort zone and brave your slanderous accusations against God and Jesus. Who by the way DO love you, you my friend are being fed a lie by the established powers that be. And I am afraid you are willfully closing your eyes to TRUTH. Are you comfy?
paulgosen777 3 weeks ago
@paulgosen777 Yes, I am comfy. Thank you for asking. I don't need your "truth". You don't really care about me personally; you're only concerned about the concept of me: a non-believer. You see me as this lost soul and you think your sky wizard will grant you a special place in your celestial theme park if you try to "save" me. Spare me your self-righteousness. I don't need a book that condones selling your daughter as a sex slave and mutilating genitalia for moral guidance.
ThePhantom135 3 weeks ago
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paulgosen777 2 weeks ago
@ThePhantom135 OK I tried. You can think all the evil thoughts you wish then. It seems you are truly happy with your fulfilled life and you don't need or want to believe in God. That's fine, we are all entitled to our choices. But, I wash my hands of your unbelief and will no longer throw my 'pearls to swine'. Enjoy your life to the fullest and remember this on judgement day. YOU WERE WARNED! You may have the final word if you wish cuz I will no longer respond to you.
paulgosen777 2 weeks ago
@paulgosen777 Agree 100%.
2MakeTheDifference 2 weeks ago
@ThePhantom135 The beauty, love or whatever "good" you see comes from God.
2MakeTheDifference 2 weeks ago
@paulgosen777 I agree 100%.
2MakeTheDifference 2 weeks ago
We all fall short of gods glory. by you standards we all go to hell.
I'm not sinless, I'm Christian. Only Jesus and Kirk are in the flesh without sin.
Gee, I'm glad Kirk isn't my judge. He isn't very reasonable.
rplite62 3 weeks ago in playlist Bible Videos
Good Video
Knowthetruthstudio 3 weeks ago
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affinity2412 3 weeks ago
I hope religion just goes away
rbdesign11 3 weeks ago
So what they're saying is, since I've committed adultery by divorcing and remarrying (Mark10:12), I won't go to heaven unless I remarry my original husband? That that's how I could "turn away" from that sin? Because as long as I stay married to my current husband I'm still committing adultery?
ipaycloseattention 3 weeks ago
@ipaycloseattention I think repentance in your heart for disappointing God and making a mistake with your first marriage is sufficient. That is man made doctrine to remarry your first husband. The entire divorce issue was only mentioned by Paul, not Jesus or God. In the Old Testament, God's righteous followers like Moses and Abraham had numerous wives, that would be considered adultery, yet it was acceptable by God. I think you are just fine. God bless you.
DreamsOfCottages 3 weeks ago
@DreamsOfCottages But Jesus did talk about divorce and remarrying, in Mark 10:11-12. 11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. That said, I have repented and turned away from everything else (God even broke my smoking addiction for me), ut I'm having a hard time feeling saved. No matter how much I try to live
ipaycloseattention 3 weeks ago
@ipaycloseattention for the will of God, I don't have the feeling that I'm saved. I read the bible and pray every day, but I still feel a strange disconnect that I can't really explain or break. Regardless of my devotion to, and longing for, Christ, I think I've been found unworthy for the Book of Life...Thank you for your time.
ipaycloseattention 3 weeks ago
@ipaycloseattention Oh My, you're not perfect? Feel good, because you are good. We have a just lord. No need to fear god, when you love god.
rplite62 3 weeks ago
@ipaycloseattention LOL you caught that did ya? I realized after posting "DUH!", Jesus does specifically talk about this. It still doesn't change anything....the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So Jesus talking about divorce doesn't make it unforgivable. I think Jesus meant it as a deterrent from people getting sick of their mates and switching for newer models.
Im wondering if your issue with not "feeling" saved is because you are worried about what you can "do"...
DreamsOfCottages 3 weeks ago
@DreamsOfCottages LOL that's why my name is "ipaycloseattention". I was raised a Christian, and have always believed in Jesus and everything He did for us, but I have just recently started studying the bible and learning all the things I've been doing wrong. People have been giving me conflicting messages lately, including pastors, so I turned away from them and searched for the truth in the Word of God. I was always taught the "just believe" doctrine, so imagine my surprise to
ipaycloseattention 3 weeks ago
@ipaycloseattention discover that Jesus says there are things you must, and not do. Faith isn't just John 3:16. Maybe I AM looking a little too much for what I should do, but I've always been action-oriented, so that's my M.O. I'm such a control freak, I don't even know how to go about surrendering, so I've just been praying for Him to point me in the direction of His will. I truly do want to spend my life serving the Lord.
ipaycloseattention 3 weeks ago
@ipaycloseattention You ARE on the right path....remember God looks at our hearts, it is only man that judges from the outside of you sister. When we are judged God will look to see what our motives were for whatever we did. The fact that you worry so much about offending Him shows just how much love you have for Him :) I have been where you are, knowing you need to surrender but finding it impossible. Your doing the right thing by praying for guidance, just let the Holy Spirit work in you..
DreamsOfCottages 3 weeks ago
@ipaycloseattention ...and it will be done in His own perfect timing. Just be patient. I know it's hard. Whenever you are reading the Word remember to ask the Teacher what you should be shown. The Teacher being the Holy Spirit ;) The great Translator of the Word. Things have multiple meanings in the Word, that's why its considered "Living". I wish you the best and I know God does too :) God Bless you always, Ashley
DreamsOfCottages 3 weeks ago
@ipaycloseattention Salvation is a free gift of grace, it isn't from anything we can do. It is what Jesus did that fulfilled it. Perhaps you feel disconnected out of guilt or disappointment with yourself. Do you have any unrepentent sin in your life? If I were you, I would start there :) Sometimes when we feel separated from God it is because He is chastizing his children for a sin we haven't asked for forgiveness for...this only proves you are one of His and in the book of life :)
DreamsOfCottages 3 weeks ago
@DreamsOfCottages You must've hit the nail on the head, because your comment brought tears to my eyes. Thank you!
ipaycloseattention 3 weeks ago
@ipaycloseattention All glory be to God :) Im more than happy to help!! That is what I am here for. To be an encouragement and fellowship with the Body of Christ! Feel free to sub/add contact, I do mostly Christian based videos on my channel...they may benefit you and you can find other Christians there as well to fellowship with who will not judge you but lead you towards a better relationship with Jesus.
DreamsOfCottages 3 weeks ago
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ipaycloseattention 3 weeks ago
Who does he think he is, frightening people with his stupid fairy stories.
There are two things that have ensured that Christianity is where it is now. The first is persecution. Kill anyone who believes in another religion. Even kill those who believe in the same 'god' but belong to a different church. The second is fear of 'eternal damnation'. If ever man ceases to be insane, then Christianity and the other two 'revealed religions' will be consigned to the history books where they belong.
s4mweller 1 month ago
Yay! The threat of imaginary torture from an imaginary being, used to make people feel guilty in life. What a waste of time and mental energy. I think Kirk and Banana Man need to go find productive jobs.
TheGrimGary 1 month ago
Should be using the bible to get her digits. Am I right?
LOL4Polio 1 month ago
WHERE WAS THE INVINTATION?!
AntiHero2411 1 month ago
What do you call a person who lies? What ever their name is.... If god is concerned about me lying to people, saying I like my girlfriends boring new dress or telling my friend his awful tattoo is really cool, he's got some screwed up priorities!
TheScydeFX 1 month ago
@TheScydeFX You're not God's judge, He is yours.
yadaelroiy 1 month ago
@yadaelroiy So you think living by these rules would be good? You think they form a strong base for morality? I think any human could come up with better ones haha (although humans did)
TheScydeFX 1 month ago
Awesome to see such foul enemies of the cross looking at and rating this video! ALL roads lead to the judgement seat of Jesus Christ!Thanks for the video! Been following you guys since i got out of the penitentiary four years ago and love face to face encounters with the lost! Praise to the Most High God in Jesus Christ!Wow!
brentjones4831 1 month ago
”Don’t speak to me about your religion; first show it to me in how you treat other people. Don’t tell me how much you love your God; show me in how much you love all His children. Don’t preach to me your passion for your faith; teach me through your compassion for your neighbors. In the end, I’m not as interested in what you have to tell or sell as I am in how you choose to live and give.” ~ Cory Booker ~ Mayor of Newark, N.J.
silverhallheights 1 month ago
ok, now close the gate on that prison cell and don't let these two lunatics out of there.
Epostaxis 2 months ago
if this if that and if something else..... if my aunt had wheels she'lld be a truck...
Epostaxis 2 months ago
How about this....God had sex with a married woman (mary) He has murdered (the children that made fun of elijah for being bald, Lot's Wife, etc...) He has stolen in taking lot's wife from him. He kills his own son, tells others to kill theirs, Ordered rape of virgin girls....what sane person would take moral lessons from an adulterous, murdering, rapist???
danielfochtman 2 months ago
@danielfochtman Pretty embarrassing ignorance,homeboy!Try reading the #1 best selling book of all time BEFORE trashing what others find so sacred.You aren't the first one to spit in the face of God.How lame to"put down" the God you WILL face the second you take you last little breath of air.I used to suck on satans face,too,but Jesus saved my soul and life.We will be praying for the eyes of your heart,Daniel(a sacred Biblical name,just fyi).Read Psalm 51 and John 3:16-21.Thanks!
brentjones4831 1 month ago
@brentjones4831 And here is a verse where your god kills 42 small boys. 23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 25 And he went on to Mount Carmel and from there returned to Samaria.
danielfochtman 1 month ago
@brentjones4831 Here is a great order by holyman Moses. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. -- Numbers 31:15-18
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danielfochtman 1 month ago
@danielfochtman Wild,huh?That a book would record the wierdest stuff for our little finite minds to trip over.I could dig into this further and get you answers,but would it really matter?As an overview,i CAN tell you the O.T.was satan going after the bloodline of Jesus Christ,and so it's full of battles,captivities,and chaos in the failed attempt to keep the Lord from being born.Why do you hate this God that died for you,man?Let go of the losing team.Join His!
brentjones4831 1 month ago
@brentjones4831 You obviously can't read. God Kills Children, I just pointed this out. Why would I join his side. Did you know that the NT was written by ppl who weren't even alive when jesus was? Was written 60-100 years after his death.
danielfochtman 1 month ago
@danielfochtman All souls belong to God,and taking that child home BEFORE that child rebels is mercy.We all die.100% in case you missed it. Your uninformed hit on the NT is refuted by the FACT that the wiping out of Jerusalem wasn't mentioned in any of the texts(AD 70). But you don't care.You want the darkness.It's what you know.I get it.Jesus came to die for us.So while you analize history out of context,keep in mind He is calling you right NOW! Neat,huh?Gotta go!Stay in touch!
brentjones4831 1 month ago
@danielfochtman Many books in the NT were from eye witnesses... fragments of Mark being found dating within 40 years of his death(qumran fragment 7q5). While you probably believe in Caesar in which the earliest writings by him (Gallic Wars) that we have are from 900 years after his death. Recordings of Nero = 800 years after his death, Historian Josephus' writings which are quoted regularly = 1300 after death, and many other things in ancient history that are accepted as truth.
MrJphhbf 1 month ago
@brentjones4831 Moses explains god's law regarding selling your daughter as a sex slave.Exodus 21:7-
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself..
danielfochtman 1 month ago
. @brentjones4831 And for the record, the bible is NOT the #1 best selling book. Most people who possess a bible didn't pay for them, they were gifts. Or forced on the owners, such as myself. a tale of 2 cities is the best selling book
danielfochtman 1 month ago
this is a pathetic philosophy
LarrenceUmpersalt 2 months ago
@LarrenceUmpersalt Like you understand it.Pride is the first killer of the soul.The mother of all human soul sickness.Once you realize that what you know about everything could be put on a postage stamp with a crayon,you just MIGHT wake up to the fact that your Maker may have other plans for you life.A "pathetic philosophy"?WHAT?Give us yours,on this forum.These people do this to guide you to Jesus Christ in order to save your soul.Watch"just stop and think"on youtube.&THINK!
brentjones4831 1 month ago
i wished every person would come to THE LORD (it will never happen sadly)
en 100% peace without problems with
money-diseases-suffering-pain-wars-lies-murderers-thief's en many more problems
like people in need of a home,medicine,operations end food en clean water
JESUS we need YOU !!!!
come back en restore order MY KING !!!!
sukruoosten 2 months ago
In other words, Kirk Cameron uses a false analogy by comparing the Christian god's sense of justice and Jesus forgiveness to the human sense of legal justice and practices of leniency, all in an effort to make her admit that she is human and imperfect.
peasantsoul 2 months ago
This video's analogy between the human justice system and the Christian god's method of judgment fails. If a person is judged in the human justice system as a criminal, his confession and later repentence of his crimes may or may not lessen his punishment. In contrast, confession of sins and continued confession (repentance) to the Christian god and Jesus will not only ease the judgment and punishment (being sent to hell), but also erase it, according to the Gospels and St. Paul's letters.
peasantsoul 2 months ago
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RockStone95 2 months ago
Looks like a lot of people does not understand Grace. Keep up the good work Kirk and Ray! God bless you two!
bekker777 2 months ago
Well, that is just like a mechanic breaking your car and then giving you the good news that he "can fix it for you, no problem!"
YehudasAishKryot 2 months ago
Clever, but sooo weak. Just going around proving we are all human with faults, and flaws is all. Believing in god doesn't change our nature. Prisons are chock full of believers ya know? Priests rape little kids, and I don't think anyone challenges their faith. Kirk is trying to make people feel like sinners for being normal, and flawed humans. Point is, faith has no bearing on character, or else a true believer wouldn't have the same character flaws a non believer. Truth is just truth.
InteGrayting2 2 months ago
She's smart... And pretty.
SerJahPhoto 2 months ago
Is God equal in Character to the law.? Is Jesus Christ greater in virtue than the law.? God is not holy by ten commandtments or law. God is perpetual Virtue in holiness, love, mercy, goodness, above and beyond any law. To equal the cross to the breaking of ten commandtments is minimizing God's extended revelation of Himself in the Person of Christ.The law is not God , God is not the law.Christ met the law and went beyond law to satisfy God and thats the Gospel truth.
polopowers1 2 months ago
@polopowers1 Sir, the biblical god doesn't appear to exist. Especially since the 2,000 year old holy book utilized to allegedly confirm his existence is filled with a plethora of ridiculous supernatural stories (and disgusting atrocities). There are no talking snakes, or donkeys, or foliage...women aren't made from ribs and they don't turn into salt...men don't live in whale bellies for 3 days...and Jesus didn't turn into a zombie and fly to heaven.
The Bible is a book of bronze-age myths.
CynicalSkeptic1 2 months ago
Why are they in jail?
imrepohl 2 months ago
It's impossible to believe that a "loving, compassion God", basically says do what I say or be cast into a lake of fire.
RuleofFive 2 months ago
You two guys should be in a mental institution.
fidenful 2 months ago
If there are real God(s) they are not found in the bible, the quran, the vedas, the illiad, or any other self-proclaimed 'words of God(s)'
If any real God(s) actually wanted to tell us something, they would - no faith required. When people claim to speak for a God, any God, they're only speaking from delusions and wishful thinking.
It only requires faith to believe in non-sense.
TheHigherVoltage 2 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus Are you being sarcastic?
dragonfist25 3 months ago
She had to be hired.
MegaSleep1 3 months ago
man he picked the dumbest chick in the entire town.
why does she exacly say, what he wants her to?
maybe, she's hired....
kamul8 3 months ago
"Using" the Bible? I'm not comfortable with that AT ALL!
danallison100 3 months ago
Your child is dying.
You are poor and cannot afford the cure.
Your rich next door neighbour manufactures the cure but since you are so poor, he refuses to sell it to you. One day, he leaves a box of tablets on the window cill with the window wide open.
"Mommy? Why do I have to die? Cant you do anything in your power to save me?"
"Well... No, Im sorry little Timmy. I could cure you if I stole the pills, but stealing is a SIN!"
Little Timmy expires.
Congratulations! Sin avoided!
manchester26m 3 months ago
@manchester26m That scenario is a little far-fetched. Let's face it -- when someone is manufacturing pharmaceuticals in their home, it's usually crystal-meth.
Let's look at the situation a bit more realistically. Do you think parents should rob pharmacies to get drugs they can't afford for their children? Because realistically applied, that's what your argument suggests.
OneEyedJack1970 3 months ago
@OneEyedJack1970 "Should" is a bit strong as this suggests it should be a mandatory right which is not what I am suggesting. What I am trying to get at is - Should a "sin" commited in a desperate or extreme situation send someone to hell?
i.e. Stealing a loaf to save someone from starvation or telling a lie to save a life etc
manchester26m 3 months ago
@manchester26m No sin should send anyone to hell when forgiveness is available. Unfortunately, some people will neither seek nor accept it.
OneEyedJack1970 3 months ago
@OneEyedJack1970 My point is, the bigger "sin" is to do nothing. By following the commandment NOT to steal, or NOT to lie, you are actually doing more harm by your inaction. No omnipotent deity could ever fault a sentient being for acting in such a way and if one did - Then it would be demonic, not angelic.
Begging forgiveness for acting as your ("god given") conscience dictates is ridiculous!
manchester26m 2 months ago
@manchester26m I've never had to ask forgiveness for following my conscience.
OneEyedJack1970 2 months ago
@OneEyedJack1970 Good. Even if your conscience has put you in a difficult position where the greater good meant breaking one or more of the commandments?
manchester26m 2 months ago
@manchester26m Never been in a situation like that. Of course, I've broken the commandments for my own reasons many times, but I've never been prompted by my conscience to do so.
OneEyedJack1970 2 months ago
@OneEyedJack1970 And I hope you are never in a desperate situation - But you recognise that you could be and Im glad that when tested, you would choose the greater good rather than the law.
As an Atheist, I am not bound by the same code of conduct, I have no threat or reward hanging over me and I believe we have ethics rather than morals and mine are that I neither harm, lie to nor cause loss to another without good reason. I dont only limit this to humankind either.
manchester26m 2 months ago
There are Jews in your attic.
It is 1930's Nazi occopied Europe.
There is a knock at the door.
It is an SS officer.
"Are you harbouring any Jews?"
"Why yes I am! Mr Goldstein and his entire extended family are upstairs as we speak!"
Congratulations, you failed to sin! Receive your free pass to heaven - It will come in useful when the firing squad lines you up.
manchester26m 3 months ago
@manchester26m I guess you've never heard the story of Rahab. You know -- the Canaanite harlot who hid the Hebrew spies, and was spared along with her family in the taking of Jericho.
OneEyedJack1970 3 months ago
@manchester26m "you failed to sin!" what do you mean be that?
dragonfist25 3 months ago
@dragonfist25 What do you think it means?
manchester26m 2 months ago
@manchester26m I don't know what you mean that's why I'm asking.
dragonfist25 2 months ago
@dragonfist25 It means that by not telling a lie to save a life, or stealing food to save a life, you succeeded in not breaking the commandments. You followed Gods rules like a good Christian. However, the point I am making is that by NOT doing those things in those circumstances, you brought about death and pain when it was in your power to avert the same.
manchester26m 2 months ago
@manchester26m First of all we all sin. Now matter how hard we try to follow God's rules. Second, what's more important.. telling the truth to confirmed murders? Or protecting the Jews? This is called a hierarchy of importance. Lie to the murders and protect their lives. There is a similar situation to your example in the Bible. See Joshua 2:2-7
dragonfist25 2 months ago
@dragonfist25 Id agree that lying to save the lives is the greater good. But then you get Ray. And ray asks you if you have ever lied - You are a liar, you broke a commandment and you should ask God for forgiveness. What you have just illustrated is that there are no absolutes, that "the greater good" is more important than the transgression and that really, calling them "Commandments" is a little strong.
When I was a theist, I understood that God was fair, he would set the bar for heaven
manchester26m 2 months ago
@manchester26m However, since meeting "Christians" it seems that my naive impression was wrong. Good people can go to hell purely for not believing and (for instance) if Hitler in his last moments on Earth repented of his sins and accepted Jesus as his lord and saviour, he would be drinking Pina Colada's with Jesus up in heaven.
Thats the entrance fee for eternal life isnt it?
manchester26m 2 months ago
@manchester26m I completely agree. Yahweh's sense of justice appears to be somewhat misguided. As a Christian, you can essentially commit as many sins as you would like and then just ask forgiveness. Any philanthropic acts you may perform in your lifetime are truly immaterial.
I was a Christian (or so I thought) for twenty years and my parents sent me to Christian schools. My doubts began immediately since I didn't feel any different after 'being saved'. The pastor said "Give it time...".
CynicalSkeptic1 2 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 But you see, YOU are the one at fault because you just havent given yourself COMPLETELY - Or you just dont have enough faith... Thats what the lesson seems to be.
Anyway, if you are an immortal God, what is the problem in being crucified for a day? If its a toss up between donkey crap ridden Jerusalem and being the big man in heaven, I'd be handing the Romans the nails and hammer, in fact, Id do my feet and left hand myself!
Welcome to the light CS!
manchester26m 2 months ago
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@manchester26m "What you have just illustrated is that there are no absolutes" Are you absolutely sure?
dragonfist25 2 months ago
@manchester26m To be fair, the commandment doesn't say "don't lie." It says "don't bear false witness against your neighbor." If you've got a bunch of Jews in your attic hiding from the Nazis, I think it would be perfectly okay to lie to the Nazis on their behalf. That's pretty much how it went down with Rahab at Jericho -- she told the town watch that the Hebrew spies had already gone, when they were actually hiding on her roof.
OneEyedJack1970 2 months ago
@manchester26m For your second example see Proverbs 6:30-31. You wont be despised for stealing the medicine but you will have to pay for the crime.
dragonfist25 2 months ago
@dragonfist25 Yes and that shows how backward some societies were that they would confiscate the property of the starving and poor.
I think you'll find it superceded by "quod est necessarium est licitum" - Google it.
manchester26m 2 months ago
so, you gotta stoop down to guilt, guilt for being a human, guilt for thinking, what other sleazy reason would you try and give us to convince us to believe in this total nonsense. I'd think we grew up a little since the medieval times.... unfortunately some people haven't. pity
TheGrimReapress 3 months ago
There is no heaven or hell.
The world is a beautiful place.
Enjoy life to the fullest, you only get one chance.
Good to see these charlatans behind bars, where they deserve to be..
RaHaHaMen 3 months ago
@RaHaHaMen the world is a beautiful place? I'm just wondering what world you live in.
viciouslady1 3 months ago
@viciouslady1 Fair, I got caught up in the moment.. What I meant was, 'life is amazing'.
RaHaHaMen 3 months ago
yes.justice.eternal torture for our sexuality.ray and kirk make me sick.
msc8472 3 months ago
why are
they in a jail cell :)
77princesspink 3 months ago
>Have you ever lied? Yes, so has yahweh proxy of lying spirits and deception.
>Have you ever stole anything? Yes, yahweh commanded stealing and he gives and takes back could that be considered stealing?
>Have you ever taken God name in vain? Yahweh is petty to be considered about a human talking about him isnt he being all knowing and omnipresent.
>Have you ever looked at a woman with lust? Yes. But how are you suppose to reproduce without looking at the opposite sex?(Thought crime?) Pt 1
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
Kirk just made the Gospel of the Kingdom solely about a destination; he said the reason or 'thrust' of his mission was that he does not want people to go to hell. How about this kirk; say rather, "i love you and God exist's and He loves you and we want you to understand and learn to appreciate the part you can play in bringing about the Kingdom of God to the earth as it is in heaven"?
KingdomUploader 3 months ago
This poor girl is gullible, and physiologically taken advantage by Kirk. If He read his own Bible none of what he uses to shame her would be enough to get her thrown in his imaginary hell.
Matthew 12:31-32 & Luke 12:10, I'm not a Christian and I know this.
Try picking on someone your own size next time Kirk.
axsimulate 3 months ago
@axsimulate Glad to see that I'm not the only atheist who knows the bible!
theimportantperson 3 months ago
@axsimulate why insist on putting your own meaning on these words? i wouldnt quote one line out of a book and assumed it summarised the whole thing. thats out of context. jesus said "i am the way the truth and the life, NO MAN comes to the father but through me" romans says "They have all turned aside;They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one. ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
why do you think theres such an effort to dethrone christ?
TruthAboutNet 3 months ago
@TruthAboutNet
OK, tell me TruthAboutNet, what does this mean?
Matthew 12
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
or this...
axsimulate 3 months ago
Luke 12
10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Are you saying Jesus (assuming he existed) was wrong in claiming all sins can be forgiven but one?
What does your quote about "ALL have sinned" have to do with what I said? Oh course Jesus thought everyone sinned, all could be forgiven, save one. Besides if everyone wasn't a sinner, Jesus would be out of the savior business.
axsimulate 3 months ago
@TruthAboutNet
"why do you think theres such an effort to dethrone christ? "
Because it falls in line with the Hero criteria.
1. Hero's mother is a royal virgin;
2. His father is a king, and
3. Often a near relative of his mother, but
4. The circumstances of his conception are unusual, and
5. He is also reputed to be the son of a god.
6. At birth an attempt is made, usually by his father or his maternal grand father to kill him, but
7. he is spirited away, and
axsimulate 3 months ago
8. Reared by foster -parents in a far country.
9. We are told nothing of his childhood, but
10. On reaching manhood he returns or goes to his future Kingdom.
11. After a victory over the king and/or a giant, dragon, or wild beast,
12. He marries a princess, often the daughter of his predecessor and
13. And becomes king.
14. For a time he reigns uneventfully and
15. Prescribes laws, but
16. Later he loses favor with the gods and/or his subjects, and
axsimulate 3 months ago
17. Is driven from the throne and city, after which
18. He meets with a mysterious death,
19. Often at the top of a hill,
20. His children, if any do not succeed him.
21. His body is not buried, but nevertheless
22. He has one or more holy sepulchres.
axsimulate 3 months ago
@axsimulate Jopseph campbell was a genius when it came to theology. He saw through the B.S.
danschaoticmind 3 months ago
@TruthAboutNet
Funny how you chastise me for taking lines in the Bible "Out of context" and then you turn around and do the same thing. Double standards much?
axsimulate 3 months ago
Kirk Cameron used rape, the Bible says the penalty for rape is fifty shekels, however that is only if they are caught. If they happen to go undetected, there is no penalty.
axsimulate 3 months ago
This is called clubbing someone over their head with the Bible.
axsimulate 3 months ago
Based on this interview, Kirk is a hypocrite and a sinner. He either initaially lusted at that sexy blonde or he is gay, which is a sin according to the Bible.
4thandinches 4 months ago
What do you call someone who tells lies?
"A human".
rodhdzmtz 4 months ago
@Mirewood Give me verses, let's go though individually because it's crucial that we understand them even though you don't want to, because you know there's a God but you'd rather rebel agaisnt Him and pretend He's not there because you know you've sinned against Him.
j23451000 4 months ago
Set free by HIM. Thank you Lord! Amen! :)
Paws4JC 4 months ago
4:46
Paws4JC 4 months ago
4:47 This spoke to me. Thank you. Agape. :)
Paws4JC 4 months ago
you can tell how simple minded and gulible this girl is. its sad. :/
pokerlif3 4 months ago
@Mirewood You'll have to be more specific than saying the OT. Like I said, though, it doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't change reality that He does exist and you will be judged for your actions if you leave this world w/o having repented and put your faith in Christ.
j23451000 4 months ago
When I first started watching I thought this was making fun of how disturbing Christianity is.
SuperManPrime1000000 4 months ago
No judge would dismiss the case of rapist who says "I'm sincerely sorry, and I won't do it again", however no reasonable judge would send a jay walker to the electric chair.
dannytibi 4 months ago
You are what you repeatedly do. Stealing once or twice in the past does not make you a thief.
help4343 4 months ago
I wish I could talk to her and tell her the real gospel which is actual GOOD NEWS. lol.
SaintsnotSinners 4 months ago
I really want an opportunity to be one of the people to be interviewed by them. It would be so great.
Andromedonian 4 months ago
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ROMERITO1 4 months ago
THE STUPIDITY HURTS..sighhh
pokerlif3 4 months ago
wow kirk, those are great questions - think of them all by yourself?
kizzaht 4 months ago
I pray she gave her life to Christ... Time is short and hell is real!!
1234rishka 4 months ago
Ray and Kirky in a prison cell...I hope Ray has his banana with him...
I love it how these religious tards speak with such authority and high moral ground, yet their whole belief system is based on 2KYO fairy tales conceived by sexually repressed, illiterate desert goat herders who used fear, guilt and sword to control the masses.
If I told the Police that an invisible hamster is talking to me they would lock me up. But if I told them that Jesus talks to me, they would pat me on my back.
immortalis1001 4 months ago 2
Bless you! Great video! Thank you for sharing.
chrisnicolecj 4 months ago
Other topics like, hell/heaven's debated existence, inconsistent behavior by God, etc. just ask :)
Suhrkling 4 months ago
See 2 comments down for start of this one:P
Now Christians all over the world will generally interpret the Bible, and the writings therein, differently! Some, like the men in this video have a very harsh interpretation of the Bible. I myself see the rules as foundations of society and it's laws for general populaces, and face it, those nations who founded their laws on biblical rules have to this day seen better days and less corruption than those who have not.
Suhrkling 4 months ago
@Suhrkling it might sound harsh to imature christains but if you believe the bible is the inspired word of God then reaching out like this and telling people the truth about Gods judgement day and hell is the most loving thing to do
mamainmancj 4 months ago
Now, ppl in general have a hard time living an entire life without sinning at all, and Jesus (being called God's son, as long as he was on earth), did live a sinless life and took upon him all our past and future sins. He also "edited" the old rules, to be more ethically and morally correct, though maybe harder to truly follow. Though he promised that if we believe that he died for our own sins, we will be sinless in God's eyes. Continued again in next comment above this one..
Suhrkling 4 months ago
Speaking to skeptics and/or ppl with no extensive knowledge of Christianity: This Faith (it is a faith, a belief, meaning to those who believe it, it is as true as the laws of physics), has written two sets of "rules", the first set, being in the Old Testament, when God (who cannot himself be close to anyone/thing associated with sin/evil), gave Moses the rules to follow to stay away from sin so when ppl die they can be with God, and not exist in the spiritual realm apart from him.. continued-->
Suhrkling 4 months ago
Poor girl, hope she wasn't swayed by the 'carrot n' stick' routine to fall for this mind-numbing propaganda.
Buddhuzlefthandman 4 months ago
Hell? this is of the OT God. The vengeful wrathful God. The God of the OT has humanistic traits which is NOT God. There is no jealousy in a perfect God.
chaksheba 4 months ago
@chaksheba Many people believe in different gods but I believe in the Lord and the Bible is true most nonbelievers just don't believe in the Lord cuz they dont want to have to worry about heaven or hell but until they become Christians they r on their way to hell
MrCoindozer 4 months ago
Kirk has lost it. He is reading from the dead letters. Gospel comes from the heart and logical reasoning. I bet Kirk does not even know who died on the cross. Jesus or Christ.
chaksheba 4 months ago
@chaksheba Kirk is a very strong Christian and ne 1 who says he isn't doesn't even no who he is and wat do u mean by gospel comes from the heart
MrCoindozer 4 months ago