StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer - All New Terran Units (BlizzCon 2011)

[XxJvanKunxX]

Shredder seems to be one pain of ass for a zerg player, in my opinion it quite disturbs the balanced game. If the enemy put a Shredder in a ramp, it forces me to get some ranged unit or air unit to take it away? fuck...

[Lubie225]

LOL terran has weaknesses?

[twintiperen94]

It said something about the construction, does that mean that it wont need an scv building from start to finish?

[McCheeselover]

Fucking great

[vagyrgr]

so putting a single shredder on each ramp will completely nullify ling runby?

that sounds a tad odd as a design option

[m00nGeek]

@vagyrgr It will most likely come out of the Factory, therefore making it not stop early rushes.

[godstrikez]

those new units for terran is gonna make colossus completely useless

[faanosoccerr]

i think instead of focusing on nerfing zealots with the battle hellion, they should be nerfing marauders so zealots can actually counter them properly. If the terran player gets any amount of marauders, protoss is dead. And no im not biased im a zerg player. Also why does the battle hellion and the warhound look so similar?

[iwon95]

anyone else thinking how good it would be to drop a shredder behind the enemy mineral line?

[failuretounderstand1]

The warhound looks like its from mechwarrior. Or a SCV with guns.

[PTJimbo]

I don't know.. I kind of like the Warhound. Kind of reminds me of Avatar. xD

[MrNilcis]

and blizzard plz replace warhound whith goliath

[knedlicek22]

@MrNilcis Yeah, but use the SC1 bad-ass, not the new fat-ass =D

[NewDrekSilver]

I don't mind the Warhound. Looks cool.

[MrNilcis]

@NewDrekSilver not realy its lame. Better new marine like unit.

[picassopainter2]

People should lay off bitching... There was an asston of bitching about units before SC2 came out. Now it's pretty damn balanced for the most part. Chill out until you play it people.

[Darkener909]

honestly in my opinion they just made terran more IMBA

im not saying over powered just unbalanced

[Grannymuncher]

hopefully the thor will be like the mothership...not viable in competitive play

all the way through this i feel like they should just replace all the video with a trollface, cause thats what they are doing to us

[1wing1]

@Grannymuncher mothership not viable in competitive play?

watch some whitera games.

[TemplarDon]

Now whyyyyyyy do i think that the warhound will be op against protoss

p.s marudars are already enough to deal with zealots

[dragoons9009]

I HIGHLY DOUBT they'll change the unit model of the Warhound. Blizzard is already too deep in its own ass.

[francoismckean]

hope mutas get a buff sins their so easily countered now

[Dradly]

7:36 YESSSSS!

[HelloQro]

Also, shredder won't work near units, but how about structures ... i mean shredder + Bunker with marauder Gosth + tanks on the back + vikings = impossible to break ?

[HelloQro]

Most of the terran uit really looks like straigth out of comand and conquer, specially shredders = Desolator.

[Soulsick1987]

new hellion = Optimus Prime

[diesopain]

i think they lost their direction with the game.1stly replicant why would the mighty protoss an advanced race in terms of technology steals and copies zerg tech and terran tech? it looks like dark archon 2.0.

Secondly,Warhound i don't what to say they mention moving up thor to uber unit but make a goliath/thor to deal with mass mutalisk and attacks mech unit omfgwtfbbq...they should make warhound specialise in anti-air

Shredder...-.- protoss rip-shield generator rip-off

/Face-palm

[ReadySetFire1]

GOLIATH ONLINE

Also the new Battle Hellion is freaking sweet

[kanenash]

Sounds like Shredder is like a desolator, Warhound like a GDI titan with AA battery, Hellion like a Purifier and now it seems the Thor is going to be the new Terran Redeemer.

Visual feedback: please, replace one of the Hellion's shield with the flamer, it looks bad over its head, make the Warhound legs thicker, it was like in KW when people were vey pissed bcs the titan legs where too thin.

[1wing1]

@kanenash how dare you speak about EA adapted crap C&C in a video about starcraft!

[AlexGamerUK]

1 can the shredder lock burrow what ever on creep and can it shoot air

[FlameKingPB]

Let's see those shredders take on the new burrowing baneling. 

[phil101great]

Hellions robots in disguise

[PWNJoker]

Warhound isn't that bad imo, but they should change the model..

[gr4ndhustle]

would have gaven a thumbs up if it wasn't for the video looping again..

[Nixon3191]

why do they think it's a good idea to buff a unit with splash that already costs no gas? Battle hellion is going to be super OP calling it right now...

[MultiSnowman19]

Wait... is the driver of the hellion the same? I don't think I can trust that hill billy character with a transforming flamethrower car.

[MrSmooooth1]

Battle hellion feels like a bigger badder firebat, and I don't like the warhound overly too much due to the fact that it seems stronger then a Thor yet the Thor is being retooled as a Terran mothership of sorts. The shredder seems awesome, another reason to get that extended thermal lance upgrade and not quite as mean as dropping a crapload of spider mines outside your opponents base. At least he can see a shreadder.

[LeWoVoc]

They're making the Thor super strong and attack-move friendly? So.... no change? :)

[EagleyeSWE]

A slower and tougher Hellion.

So... a firebat? :D

[vasilen4o]

demo ?

[Rlaxox]

Yup this settles it i'm deffently not playing this god damn game was nice till now,

o wait who am i kidding i throw up every time i see the terran, even in wings of libery bah screw this

[Starcraftgamer97]

@Rlaxox so.........zerg player?

[Rlaxox]

@Starcraftgamer97 Sadly Toss

[aknightofcamelot]

I almost feel forced to choose terran now. Protoss, my former race, is looking pathetic in comparison

[andrewkilroyable]

So terran get the best aspects of a lurker and high templar that is better than both, faster to get than both, easier to use than both and essentially ends Zerg harass. They get a rock-paper-scissors mini-thor that will be op against everything protoss can use on the ground and now they have a unit that basically counters a unit that didn't need countering, the zealot.

What bull.

[MoonliteMemory]

What's "magic box" ?

[xbirthxbyxsleepx]

@MoonliteMemory If you spread out your mutas, you can fly over a thor and press hold position. Instead of clumping up and taking massive splash damage, all of your mutas will be spread and be taking damage one by one.

[MoonliteMemory]

@xbirthxbyxsleepx Thank you! I think I understand now. :)

[addemanns]

Sorry.. four -.-'

[addemanns]

So terran got THREE new units? They already have more units. What is this bullshit?

[kriszium]

Shredder= Protoss rip-field ripoff.

[iSwimmer]

of course...they give the Terrans the super-unit and the "radiation unit" that kills everything that runs through it's field. They should kill each other or else you'll be running into terrans that have 30 of those on their front ramp and everything just dies within 1 second of hitting that field...

[BadLuck765]

@iSwimmer You know how if you're a Terran and you let a Protoss get a 200/200 army, you deserve to lose? I'm guessing the same principle applies to Zerg or Toss letting Terran get 30 Shredders.

[iSwimmer]

@BadLuck765 oh yeah because Zerg has so many ways of getting into a Terran's base after they've walled and have siege up...and then there's their MMM ball.

guess again

[1messiahcomplex]

@iSwimmer this is meant to be used a defense tool on 2 base or something, its meant to allow the terran to defend expansions in the late game without relocating their slow main army.

[iSwimmer]

@1messiahcomplex bunkers and cannons are supposed to be defensive too, right? I'm just saying...there are many ways of looking at the same unit...not all the same as you

[BadLuck765]

@iSwimmer So, I'm guessing you're not terribly good at this game. If the Terran is turtling, you expand like crazy, cover the map in creep and build an assload of whatever.

The Terrans might be able to get 30 shredders, but I can promise you it'll come at the cost of tanks and expansions. If you can't break the front then, it's your fault. Furthermore, the zerg is getting a unit specifically designed to pull siege tanks out of fortifications. It'll be fine, quit QQing.

[iSwimmer]

@BadLuck765 nice technical terms there bro, "build an assload of whatever" that'll get you a win... and try not to be so harsh on the judgement? some of us actually have lives to live...

we'll see how things work out when it's finally released. l2z

[BadLuck765]

@iSwimmer Eh, fair enough. I shouldn't have been a dick about it. It irks me when people say stuff is gonna be OP without fairly weighing both sides, but I play / think about this stupid game way too much and maybe it's easier to do that with the "no life" thing.

Either way, Shredders are expensive and the opportunity cost of building that many come at the cost of the type of base defense you're concerned about. It forces zerg to be aggressive instead of just playing the macro game.

[MostazalsLord]

Does the shredder's radiation field stack? 

[AndreidaGiant]

@MostazalsLord no it does not

[MostazalsLord]

@AndreidaGiant Then why bother putting two or more of those right next to each other?

[kriszium]

@MostazalsLord to make a bigger area of effect+ they're not cloaked, so it takes more time to take down 2 than 1

[MostazalsLord]

@kriszium Hmm... it could be worth it... or not.

[kriszium]

@MostazalsLord yeah

[JuicySlacker]

Guys, imagine this - u've got 4 bases and terran drops shredder on each one, on mineral line. LOL

[nomercy8989]

@JuicySlacker and imagine your a zerg and have lings only

[X28KillzLaterX]

Why does the video replay sections?



[ctanase]

asian guys have high voices

[TheCythey]

no offence blizz, but I think the warhound looks ugly... i think everyone agees with me in saying the goliath was one of the coolest looking units, i hope someone makes an addon to change the look, would be awesome ^.^

[yoyomansizzle]

@TheCythey Yeah I don't get Blizz either. Lets make a SCV on Steroids and call it a warhound when its essentially a Goliath. But, you know Blizzard "Lets make a new unit that's exactly like a unit we got rid of herp derp"

[nomercy8989]

shredder drop into a mineral = win

[ADRockstroh]

@nomercy8989 Oh yes, my body is ready!

[GRRStarcraft]

2:33 Come on, this is starcraft, not transformers!!

[Lightningz1]

Wow... The fucking shredder? Wow... bull shit. Every fucking time zerg gets shafted up the ass, even in their own expansion.

[jrmendoza7]

@Lightningz1 the game isnt out or even in its final cut. so please just relax bro.

[1337lolguyman]

@Lightningz1 Here would be the strategy for that: use a few longer ranged units and begin attacking the shredders from afar (Use air units to see them if they are on a cliff or something) and wait for the player to send out a force to assist and just before they enter the shredder's field rush in a few melee units to get past the shredder and tear them up from the inside. Also the ultra's new ability will allow him to bypass most if not all of the shredder's field before unburrowing.

[slytown]

Oh wow. Thank god for the Shredder. In a battle, it looks like it could be used kind of like vulture mines.

[PenguinLord10]

I love how people like to theorycraft judging by videos that are generally meant to show the use of units rather than the balance, especially when the game isn't even out yet! ;P

[GiantClefairy]

The game will be boring without Zergs being able to counterattack the Terran base with Zerglings. Especially as a spectator sport.

[GiantClefairy]

So they gave the race with the most options, more options. Great...

[TDelamay]

The warhound doesn't look quite right for Starcraft.

[ercjlee101]

@TDelamay I agree...

[hilelmos]

lol, are you stilling SoW as the map example?

[Nicknameempty]

Another OP units vs protoss?

Oh dear...

[ADRockstroh]

@Nicknameempty How do you know it's op? They show it in its most useful situaton, not in a balanced situation.

[Nicknameempty]

@ADRockstroh They said that it's very useful vs protoss so we can compare it with the marauder.

[deloctyte]

Warhound. A smaller, quicker Thor.

So... a Goliath? :D

[vadimos86]

@deloctyte Yeah, but model looks like retarded version of Thor.

Now it's more like Command & Conquer Tiberium Wars

[DerOrk]

@vadimos86 If I'd to guess I would say whoever designed the Warhound is a Mechwarrior/Battletech fan.

Its designe isnt totally wrong but... next to Units like the Thor/Viking etc it doesnt really look Starcrafty / Terran-y

[H0kram]

@vadimos86 Actually Dustin Borwder worked on Command and Conquer before SC2...fun fact :p

[andrewkilroyable]

@vadimos86 Yeah and Tiberium wars wasn't a crock of shit was it?

[awsumpersun321]

@vadimos86 more like an scv with tons of weapons added on

[gr4ndhustle]

@vadimos86 yeah i have to agree that the warhound looks like total shit.. i think they should have just adjusted the thor and give terran something else instead of something they already kinda have.... (i'm a zerg player btw)

[1337lolguyman]

@deloctyte Good vs Protoss and bad vs Zerg.

[DeMishMIsh]

@deloctyte it looks like the lovechild of a thor and a goliath xD

[fourthbit]

@deloctyte yes, but the original goliath looked cooler.

[AdamGomez87]

@deloctyte yeah..I miss the Goliath, I guess the design is 1990's, looks like something you'd see in Mech Warrior II

[zifoon]

Terran seem to use micro when kiting Zealots, SO we removed it, don't thank us.