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@planetery That's not what homeostatic refers to. And a zygote is a distinct genetic human individual, i.e., a human being -- and that, my friend, is the consensus of the majority embryologists. They agree that, biologically, a new human life begins at conception. That is NOT the point of disagreement. The disagreement is over whether that human being is a person and a subject of rights. Read Michael Tooley if you think I'm just giving you pro-life brainless propaganda. He defends abortion.
@planetery Sorry, all I meant was to distinguish what the disagreement was about. And actually I recant that the biological level isn't a point of disagreement. There are some embryologists and ethicists that do take a minority stance and claim that a new human being is not formed at conception. Unfortunately I don't have citations right now. What I meant was that, for the most part, the question of abortion revolves not around whether what is killed is a human being, but whether it's a person.
@lapetitefrancaise07 I'm surprised anyone is still commenting on this after several months, but O.K.
Tell me which religion or religious practice seems reasonable to you? I originally commented on the obvious hatchet job done on Plan Parenthood and was challenged by some real religious garbones who lost their sense of reality years ago.
@metalsusa1 After reading who you were replying to, I understand your reaction. That guy was off. Forgive me if I sounded arrogant; I probably need to think about how my words are coming across. I felt like you were talking down to anyone that put faith in religion, but that was probably just because of what you were responding to. And my comment wasn't much better, so I can't talk. I apologize. Anyway, I am a Christian and do my best to be reasonable about it, scientifically and otherwise.
I am not a believer in God or any other supernatural claims. I am open to evidence that God exists, but haven't seen any convincing evidence so far. I don't hate God nor do I hate Christians.
That pretty much sums up where I'm coming from. My non belief took many years to take hold.
An omniscient and omnipotent deity holds me accountable for sins he knew I would commit before the foundation of the world. Might makes right?
@metalsusa1 Thanks :) I consider honest search for truth honorable, even if I disagree with your position. No matter what some religious nuts might say, a Christian should respect any honest desire for truth, especially since we believe truth comes from God. Your "might makes right" comment is intriguing, but I think the ensuing discussion would be to large for a comments bar. Feel free to message me if you feel like engaging in a discussion about it. I'm always up for it (philosophy major,lol)
Republicans are funny: when you're a brainless cluster of cells, your life is sacred, but once you're born, if you're poor, gay, or a soldier, you're f#cked.
Science, personhood, and legal rights all seem like valid points in the pro-life debate, but it is a sham by conservatives to derail the conversation, which needs to be about compassion, personal freedom, and the emotional/financial burden on the mother and society. What good can come from imposing a moral imperative which legally forces us to choose between a mother and an embryo? The goal to reduce/eliminate abortion is best served through compassion/education, not legal manipulation.
@NorthofRadio There is no liberty for those who can be murdered legally. Therefore, your position is absurd. And another thing: Why are compassion and personal freedom good, if rights are not intrinsic to human beings?
@ajpmathwiz Murdered legally? And all you can think of is abortion? So why is it legal for corporations who do harm to have more legal freedoms and rights than individuals? Why do we spend billions and billions of dollars on multiple wars fueled by our military industrial complex? I don't like to see anyone having an abortion. But unfortunately, we must choose our battles wisely.
Personhood USA will fail because it is fueled by fear, steeped in ignorance, and lacks compassion for women and our turbulent society, all of which need our love. Their proposed draconian legislation will only cause harm and more suffering. No one on either side of the debate is pro-abortion. Can we please put that behind us once and for all? The efforts of Personhood USA do nothing more than to quell access to information, polarize issues, and bastardize the teachings of Jesus.
To continue....... I assume you were raised from a child to believe what you believe. I have been very fortunate to have been exposed to logic, reason, and science based evidence. They have been my saviour and helped me to avoid mind traps like religion and other pitfalls that people accept without any evidence. What you accept as truuth is only convincing to the already convinced. Not much more to say on the subject, but, you are certainly welcome to respond to my comments. Try not to rant.
Settle down, take it easy. FIRST: Do you feel burning the wrong incense fire is evil? (Lev.10:1-2) You say evil must be punished. Read Hosea13:16 and tell me what the unborn did wrong? SECOND: I'm not sure what you mean,"where's your science for abortion". We are in fact Primates, your unbelief of this fact does not change that. FINALLY: I've never killed a baby; I can't "hate" something I don't believe in (God), and as far as being an immoral bigot, That actually describes Paul in the bible.
@metalsusa1 Yes- disregarding God's instructions about how to worship Him and arrogantly doing things your own way in front of His altar is evil. They were consumed by fire because they failed to follow simple directions. You'd be consumed by fire too if you mishandled fire by disregarding the safety instructions about handling open flames and flammable material (not a perfect analogy, but it fits).
@ajpmathwiz Ah, first of all hello- Second, If God commanded you to kill your family would you?
Mishandling an incendiary object without reading the instructions is a far cry from God sending a fireball from heaven to kill them. Your example fits in no way, shape, or form.
@metalsusa1 Of course it does, because God is a consuming fire. You don't play with gasoline in front of an open flame, and if you do, it's your own fault if it explodes and kills you. Same with standing before God- you will stand before Him in the manner He told you to stand before Him, or you will be consumed by fire because you were careless in front of a consuming fire.
@metalsusa1 After confirming that it was, indeed, God, I would. Am I greater than Abraham? You don't know God, so you don't know what God would and would not do. I, however, know how to test spirits, and no deceiver would ever confess that Jesus is Lord.
@ajpmathwiz After the police arrest you and the courts convict you of multiple 1st degree homicide you can explain to the rest of your extended family how you in fact confirmed that it was God and not some break with reality that commanded you to kill your family.
I submit that your relationship with your religion has cut you off from your humanity. You no longer have any empathy for your fellow man. Your just a robot programmed by Iron Age nonsense.
@metalsusa1 And you are wicked and arrogant, cursing God for being Holy and attempting to justify your own sins by condemning His Holy Nature and demand of purity to stand before Him. God cannot lie, and He cannot do injustice, and if it should come to pass that I should face being put to death for obeying Him, that is a sacrifice I must be prepared to make. It is you who lacks empathy, for you would have me deny Christ, who died for me, in order to please you!
@ajpmathwiz You my friend got the I'm a religious nut stank all over you.
I picture you huddled up in the back of you closet typing away furiously condemning the vile sinners and enemies of God of the world. A bible in one hand and righteous indignation in the other.
I've read your crazy rants to other people, you need to put down your bible and get laid you maniac.
Do your family a favor and give them a couple minute head start before you do Gods will.
@ajpmathwiz What region of country were you born? Cause at 22 years old I would have pushed my grandmother down a flight of stairs to get me some strange. LOL.
I hope you realize I'm joking about killing my grandmother, but not about gettin some.
I know, I know you'll accuse me of being a selfish pleasure seeking sinner. At that age every healthy male in the world are thinking the same thing including you my friend.
I forgive you though. Hell, at 22 your brain isn't even fully developed yet.
Please write on this post in a manner that children who might visit it will not be corrupted. If you use any more profanity or insults, I will block you from further participation in this discussion.
@PersonhoodUSA Do you really think your going to stop abortions in this country with lies, bogus videos, and misinformation? Your part of a larger problem that think, most women, just casually get an abortion as part of running their daily errands. Very few women take getting an abortion lightly. You outright lie about Plan Parenthood and the fantastic services they offer to girls that can't afford it. I truly think people like you have mental problems. Commence to blocking if you wish, I'm done
@metalsusa1 I love the ignorance in your comments. First of all religion and science do not need to be separated, as both can go hand in hand. The big issue I have with you is you said science, reason and logic. In this video, PP has said Science has NO TRUTH. So therefore science never saved you on their principle.
We are not primates. That was disproved years ago. Stop spewing crap and go research please? PP is the most controversial and corrupt institution there is.
@UndergrndSound "We are not primates,That was proven years ago." Who told you that some creationist website. Do me a favor, before you make idiotic comments that reveal your stupendous lack of knowledge, try educating yourself with actual facts instead of A.I.G.'s website. It should have a disclaimer that viewers could lose I.Q. points.
@metalsusa1 Lmao its taught in all high schools. Humans are not descendants of apes. It was a theory was disproved in recent times.... Not some religious website. Stop making generalizations. And learn to spell moron. First of all, your hate message towards religious beliefs are much more offensive than my swearing. So get your head out of your ASS..
@metalsusa1 Lmao you're a moron. Go look up the difference between a Fundamentalist and a religious person. Go look up the actual facts of abortion and the scientific validity that states the fetus is a human being. Go look up the facts of planned parenthood illegally giving abortions to underage teenagers and not documenting them legally.
@metalsusa1 bahaha a gay comment? wow buddy, just because i treat women better than you obviously do does not mean i'm gay. Clearly you need to go look things up. Just because I respect women better than you? And they aren't a piece of meat or something to bang one night and leave? You're fucked.
@UndergrndSound You're sounding about as rational as any creationist I've ever talked with. What did you do with your charm school money? Spend it on booze?
@metalsusa1 As rational as any creationist? Again you're a complete idiot. Big differences. You go on being the typical douchebag guy. You'll see many a divorce, many an affair, and no respect from women.
@metalsusa1 Whatever. What I love to note is that when I've smacked you down with actual facts on abortion and PP, you come back by slandering me. But you never actually disclaimed anything except the descending from apes.
@UndergrndSound What women do with their bodies has nothing to do with me. If you want to believe some(one?) website that slanders P.P. then you go right ahead. Maybe if your successful in shutting down P.P. women can begin going to some back alley guy? Isn't that much better.
@metalsusa1 Abortions are taken lightly. 15 year old girls can get them without parental consent. And unlike your bullshit. These facts are DOCUMENTED and proven. The clinics want the money. Not saving a life or something. Go look stuff up
@UndergrndSound Who gives a s#@T what you think. I was talking to these religious nuts who think the world is 6000 years old and dinosaurs were on Noah's ark. Science to them is fine as long as it doesn't conflict with their delusions. Go waste your time interfering in something that has NOTHING to do with you.
@metalsusa1 LMAO alright. So the only people who believe those biblical metaphors to be true are called FUNDAMENTALISTS, who are in a distinct MINORITY in the religious community. Most legitimate religious groups are for science because they go hand in hand. But you wouldn't know because you're an ignorant jerk.
Secondly, this is a public site. So I have every right to comment on the BS you put on here. Please shut up and go read, you probably never have looked at research have you?
@UndergrndSound "Fundamentalists" Look dummy, you contacted me , I didn't contact you. The ones I originally were chatting with were straight up Young Earth Creationists. I don't know what you are, nor do I care. But if you think it was "proven" man is not a primate, I'm not sure what science you claim to accept.
@metalsusa1 Dummy? Buddy go research please. Stop spewing bs on here without ever looking up some research. If you're too fucking stupid to go look, then you have no credibility and no right to speak. You ooze with ignorance.
@metalsusa1 If you don't like getting bitten in the ass with real logic, science and reason (not the shit you think you know and proclaim), then dont comment on here. Cuz you're a complete moron. GO look up facts and then come back here
If you want to think you're an ape that is fine with me. Evolution got you all upset does it? lol Where's your science? Where's you science for abortion? You are serving your god satan. he's the one that you've chosen. And it was your pro-choice to do so.
Hell-oooo-w! Are you out there THETRUUTH1? mmmm? I guess your looking up your lame comebacks from some "safe for the whole family" web page. Maybe your chastising some rape victim in why they are going to Hell? (b.t.w. i would never make light of something so serious) I just figure it's something you do to relax and unwind after you set the world straight on why your always right. Well, with God dwelling inside you, I can see how you think that.
Lets just tell it like it is. Thetruuth1 and legions of Jesus freak zombies like him (i assume) are self righteous, ignorant dummies who live their lives inside the Jesus bubble. As a result, completely ignore or deny actual scientific data that brings into question their particular religious delusion. "Evolution is a lie", "there are no transitional fossils", "atheism is a religion". Maybe you should learn better arguments from your buddy Kent Hovind, oh thats right , He's in jail!
Any time God took life in the Old Testament He had the authority to do so. It was always a punishment for evil acts, there was warning given to stop in most cases. There are consequences for doing evil. Do you really think you are exempt from punishment for your evil acts? It is not wise to mock God or ask to be punished for you sins in the here and now. Your sweetie comments have given you away. How many YT accounts do you have?
You Fundamentalist maniacs got a screw loose. Go ahead and deny your God calling for the express murder of babies and infants in the Old Testament. The New Testament is through and through anti-family. Have you dopes even read your bible! Where in the bible does God specifically forbid abortion? Nowhere, that's where. Stay out of other peoples business and stop lying to promote your sick and twisted agenda.
I am very suspicious when I don't see the video in its entirety. You have plenty of missing footage and, seemingly, take the words out of context. I know for a fact that Plan Parenthood is a fantastic organization. I call bullshit on you.
“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed. … The embryo now exists as a genetic unity." (O'Rahilly, Ronan and Müller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29).
“The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.” (Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3).
“I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear.”
"I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!”
"I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'."
Norma McCorvey is the real name of "Roe" in Roe v Wade. She came to regret bitterly her involvement with that case and is now a strong pro-life advocate. She speaks now of "this terrible, terrible holocaust".
"It is clear that permissive abortion is purposeful destruction of what is undeniably human life. It is an impermissible act of deadly violence. One must concede that unplanned pregnancy is a wrenchingly difficult dilemma,
but to look for its solution in a deliberate act of destruction is to trash the vast
resourcefulness of human ingenuity, and to surrender the public weal to the classic utilitarian answer to social problems."
Bernard Nathanson (former director of largest abortion clinic in western world):
"I am often asked what made me change my mind. How did I change from prominent abortionist to pro-life advocate? A favourite pro-abortion tactic is to insist that the definition of when life begins is impossible [but] foetology makes it undeniably evident that life begins at conception and requires all the protection and safeguards that any of us enjoy.
@juliewashere88. You can play with words as much as you like. Every expectant mother knows that she is carrying a baby inside her. There is nothing about birth that changes a fetus into a baby. But have it as you wish - abortion deliberately kills a young human life, whether you wish to admit the obvious that it is a baby or whether you wish to pretend it is not. Have you watched the Nathanson film? If not, please do so before replying.
Whaaat?! This is amazing! I cannot believe they're saying that 'science cannot be applied to my body'. Science has saved millions of lives through vaccinations, antibiotics, etc. If science can't be applied to your body, quit taking medicine when you're sick.
its funny, debate a pro abortion supporter on the grounds of science and they will try to stage the debate on philosophy (poorly grounded postmodern tripe which anyone with a passing familiarity of Plato can refute) rebut with philosophy and they will attempt to repackage their faulty logic as science. repeat ad nauseum.
The better to see what's come before me. If the past has taught me anything about these debates, its that they are terribly predictable and that the only way for the pro abortion side to win the debate is to be so dispossessed of humanity to openly admit murder and seek refuge in audacity or to be so blinded by emotion the audience pities their folly. refuge in postmodernism is the tactic taken when they would rather call a draw than admit defeat.
They say fix your pets i say fix woman who have had abortions put them into some sort of system thtat will notify any clinic that they have been fixed and are to remain that way. and if you can get the guy to even better even better in order to get an abortion the guy should be ther to fix both of them and put them both in to the system
@Thetruuth1 Attacking people while simultaneously having your head stuck up your ass is impressive. If your against abortion then don't have one stupid. I resort to name calling when I know I'm talking to a wall. B.T.W. When is Jesus coming back to rapture you uneducated butt plugs off the planet? Oh sweet Jesus, please save me the people that believe in you!
Judging by your posts on your channel, and your continual use of the word, butt plug, I can only assume this is your scientific argument? You are another spoiled, selfish, rotten brat.
The bible talks about the unborn as children, and thy shall not kill. If you can control the pejoratives and make a factual scientific claim people might take you seriously.
@Thetruuth1 Now, now sweety, don't get your panties in a bunch. My main point was your God, not mine, murders or orders the brutal killing of numerous children and infants in the Old Testament. I know, JESUS made a new contract, right? You no longer have to observe the Mosaic Laws. So that excuses your God from infanticide? Do you think your God, who remains the same forever, really cares about children? I don't.
@iwusinger Right, because what you get as an end result MUST have been the same as what you started with. What the hell do you think the gestation period if for? It's just hanging out? Sleeping in?
You seem like the type who would fall for that "what do you put in a toaster" word game that kindergartners think is clever.
@Thetruuth1 Do you really expect an answer from juliewashere88?
She has shown she doesn't know the difference from a tumor a sperm or a gamete , or a living person.
Really, she is just like most other wicked pro-abortionists that are to cowardly to say what they really believe, ,,,which is that it doesn't bother them in the least to murder a living, BABY !
Not a clump of cells ,, but a baby.
If they say it isn't a BABY then they think no one will see them for the monsters they are.
@mrsjbs1980 You have yet to tell me the difference despite the fact that I have asked many times. It seems that YOU can not tell the difference between sperm, tumors, because you refuse to.
There is no such thing as a "pro-abortionist." Being pro-choice means I am only as pro-abortion as I am pro-birth.
Abortion is not murder and does not kill babies. It's self-defense and prevents babies.
@juliewashere88 said-" God you're retarded" >>>>>>>>>>>>> GOD? GOD? Are you the same juliewashere88 that claims there isn't a GOD? Change of heart? Or just running off at the mouth about things you you have no idea of,AGAIN? One other question= When do you consider a woman is pregnant? When she has sex? When the sperm enters her body? Or at the moment of conception? And if she is pregnant , what is the difference between her being pregnant or just having a tumor?
@mrsjbs1980 Did you see a comma? I wasn't calling you god and retarded. I was using 'god' as an expletive, because that's a common convention in English, the language that I speak.
What do you mean when I consider a woman pregnant? It's not a matter of opinion. Pregnancy begins at implantation. That's when a woman's body starts to recognize and react to the blatocyst.
The difference is a tumor is removable without you maniacs screaming about it.
@mrsjbs1980 Because that's an advance brain function fetuses simply don't have a developed enough brain to have capacity for until very late in term and well past the legal limit for abortion. A person in a coma already had the brain development and is usually only unconscious temporarily.
You just arbitrarily declare personhood as beginning at conception as if conception was fucking magic. It's not. Being able to see this just means I'm SANE.
@juliewashere88 said-"It's not a person for the same reason other tissue is not"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
At the instant of conception the begining of a new person is the difference.
Not being able to see this basic fact is the difference between a normal woman with natural born motherly instincts and wicked murderous monsters who see a new life as nothing more than a tumor.
Who the hell are you to tell me what a normal woman is or what normal inclinations are? What makes you think pro-choice women can't be mothers? What makes you think anti-choice women want kids? What makes you think there's anything wrong with not wanting kids? Who do you think you are you misogynist piece of shit?
A fetus isn't a new life, and is like a tumor. Abortion in neither wicked nor can it possibly be murder.
@mrsjbs1980 I support freedom and the protection of the lives and health of women, who, unlike fetuses, are actual people. Yeah, how heartless I am *eyeroll.*
No, those anti-choice women not having children aren't murdering children. No one is. Abortion is not murder and does not kill children.
@mrsjbs1980 I never said a fetus was a tumor (with the exception of molar pregnancies, which I don't beleive I've mentioned anyway.) What I said is that a fetus is LIKE a tumor in that it is living human tissue, but completely oblivious. Am I deceiving myself into thinking it's not a person? Or is a tumor really NOT a person for the same reason a fetus isn't?
Just because it's possible to pretend that some people aren't doesn't mean everything is a person.
@mrsjbs1980 Did you just seriously try to tell me a tumor is a person? Because that's what I was referring to in my quote.
So... either A. You're an idiot who can't read, B. An idiot who thinks tumors are people, or C. You dishonestly took that quote out of context to make it seem like I was talking about a fetus (which isn't a person either.)
@juliewashere88 said-" a FETUS (which isn't a person either)" >>>>>>>>>>> Yes julie, you are deceiving yourself into thinking it's not a person. You can lie and twist your words all you want. But you DID SAY a fetus is not a person. That thinking shows you are deceiving yourself. So A.You are the idiot and don't know what you write. B. You are a liar. C.Both A and B. My guess is you are C ,but it should have included "EVIL"
@mrsjbs1980 It's so funny you would say that when you are the one so desperate to lie and twist my own words to me (as if you really think you can fool me about what I've said, like I wouldn't know.)
A fetus isn't a person. And there's not even one good reason to pretend that it is, it just makes you feel better and makes for a convenient, albeit transparent, mask for your misogyny.
You are such a piece of shit, I don't know how you can even live with yourself.
@juliewashere88 Once she's pregnant, she's a mother whether she wants to be one or not, so your argument is irrelevant. As for a fetus being new life: a zygote is a complete, unique human being. Every cell of your body is a copy of that zygote you once were, but each one is but a part of the whole. The zygote, however, IS the whole.
@juliewashere88 You can play with words as much as you like but every expectant mother knows that she is carrying a developing baby inside her. There is nothing about birth that changes a fetus into a baby. Is a 36 week old, born prematurely, a baby but a 38 week old, still in the womb, somehow less than a baby?
But anyway, the terminology is unimportant. Embryo, fetus, new-born baby, child, adult - all are fully human. You can't justify the killing of human life by means of wordplay.
@raybrianson 1. Accuracy is playing with words? HA! You're the one doing the wordplay. 2. Gestation is a slow, gradual process that turns a fetus into a baby at the end. What finally comes out is not what was there all along. 3. Abortion rights have nothing to do with what a fetus is or isn't. It's about whether or not WOMEN are people. Guess what? We are!
2. Imagine a kitten and a human embryo both conceived on 1 January. The kitten would be born around the start of March. If I literally cut it to pieces two weeks later, while it was desperately trying to escape my knife, you would surely and rightly be horrified. But if I do the same thing on the same day to the unborn human being, of exactly the same age, how can you really view that as morally completely neutral?
@raybrianson 1. I've always been a person - something which requires sentience. Without sentience, there is no "me" to be anything at all. 2. A kitten is not a cat fetus. It does not violate your rights so killing it is not self-defense. Killing it is unnecessary as you can give it away. None of this is true for abortion. Fail analogy is fail.
Oh, and there's no such thing as an unborn human being. A fetus is a fetus, nothing more.
You have avoided both my questions - did you become a person at birth, or earlier or later?
Of course there is such a thing as an unborn human being! You were one yourself the day before you were born. I think you are saying that killing the kitten is wrong (because it is not a fetus - your ultimate test) but killing the unborn human being is OK (because it is a fetus). Is that a correct understanding of your view?
To describe abortion as self-defense is also absurd.
@raybrianson I actually did answer your questions. Not liking the answers I gave does not undo them. Reality just doesn't work that way.
There's no such thing as an unborn human being just like there's no such thing as an unbuilt house or an unmade sandwich.
Actually, I said killing a kitten is not OK because, unless you plan to eat it, there's just no reason to. Unlike a fetus, a kitten doesn't not violate your body or cause you bodily harm. Abortion IS self-defense. That's why it's a right.
@juliewashere88 No, you have (still) not answered them. I presume that you cannot.
I have in front of me a picture of a baby in the womb at 20 weeks. Your analogy with an unmade sandwich is fatuous. The picture is so obviously of a beautiful young human baby: perfect nose, perfect eyebrows, perfect mouth. Perfectly human. It does not violate anybody. Nobody has the right to kill it.
Self-defense? No - almost no abortions nowadays are to save the mother's life.
Countries that criminalize abortion have negative results from it such as taking away women's right to choose, illegal back alley abortions, orphans, overpopulation, and poverty. Prove me wrong on this. I bet you can't, can you?
Embryos and fetuses are not neonate babies. Women have the right to abort whatever gestates their wombs in my country anyway.
@NverEnoughDeathMetal I honestly don't care, because none of those reasons justifies taking a human life, and frankly, if a woman dies as a result of an abortion, it's her own fault, just the same as if you walked into a bank, demanded money at gunpoint and were shot dead by the teller or someone else in the bank- your death is your own fault if you threaten the life of another and die in the process. I guess you think we should just gas disabled people, too, to decrease the surplus population.
Throughout history there has always been evil people coming up with excuses to murder another group of people. Dehumanization always precedes the evil act of Slavery, Holocausts, Abortion, Genocide, etc... These people in this video are no different. They have stepped away from truth and are hiding behind lies to perform their diabolical terror on a weaker group of people. And the only reason they are successful is because the majority of the good are silent!
@icimblind Yeah, and your excuse is to irrationally insist that human tissue is more important than human beings so you can justify letting women be enslaved or die.
Maybe you should step away from the mirror. You're the one repeating history.
It's amazing how you suffer from amnesia when it concerns your own language. How did you get a picture of your mom's "human tissue" on your profile picture? Don't like being dehumanized, do you? You're an evil selfish person preying on weaker smaller people. Until you can skip the gamete stage of your development, you have no right to take it away from any one else.
It takes a lot of guts for a person who believes this crap to admit that it is just that. These are people who have had abortions or make money off of abortion and don't have either the desire or courage to admit the truth. My basic statement for them is: "Abortion is wrong because it takes the life of an innocent human" and "It's a human rights issue." Then I end the discussion. They will either believe or they won't. I focus on what I personally can do to advance the rights of the unborn.
The comparison between the cold virus (is that the rhinovirus?) and a human fetus is a dumb argument- number 1: "they're both little and living inside of me" : a virus is much smaller than a fetus and there is legitimate debate over whether viruses are living or non-living creatures- they are basically RNA (0r DNA ) inside a protein shell. 2. A human fetus is human ( both it's parents are human, it has human DNA) a virus is not human.
This is ridiculous. Why should we be extending ethical considerations to something that has not even developed the capacity to be aware? The latter btw is a scientific fact.
First of all, Science doesn't say anything. Science is a knowledge-building enterprise and not a sentient being capable of making statements.
Secondly, beleive it or not, conception isn't magic. It can't override the basic rule of biology that you cannot get life from non-life. Life does not and can not begin at conception for the simple reason that life is already present before conception. Conception is just one of many occurrences necessary for continuation.
@mrsjbs1980 The formation of those gametes is the formation of a new human life in the exact same way. And those gametes well continue to mature though all stages in life... blah blah blah.
And it DOESN'T become a person when it meets with another gamete. It makes a zygote - which isn't a person until it reaches the end of a slow, gradual developmental process and finally acquires sentience.
@mrsjbs1980 The same thing that happens to a blastocyst if it never implants. The same thing that happens to an embryo or fetus if it halts development or detaches itself. It simply means the end of some human tissue and means no person ever comes into being.
Live is present BEFORE conception and can not begin after it. Person hood requires sentience and can not begin before it.
Neither is anything else you've said in your last comment.
A zygote isn't capable of becoming a person on it's own either. Conception doesn't magically create a person because being a person requires sentience. All conception creates is a zygote. One. Single. Cell. Nothing more.
And whether or not it will ever become a person is just as dependent on a series of evens as is a perm becoming a person.
Conception never happening has the exact same effect as implantation never happening. There is simply no pregnancy.
You can't murder anyone legally at any age. Look up the word murder some tome.
You can't murder a fetus because it isn't a person. It requires sentience for that, but more importantly, no act of self-defense, which abortion is, can be murder.
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smartass250 2 weeks ago
It's a simple rule:
If it's not HOMEOSTATIC, it's not "a life"!
Of course, Christians don't get that because Christians hate science.
Whatever. Any time you feel like joining the rest of us in the twenty-first century, go right ahead.
planetery 4 months ago
@planetery That's not what homeostatic refers to. And a zygote is a distinct genetic human individual, i.e., a human being -- and that, my friend, is the consensus of the majority embryologists. They agree that, biologically, a new human life begins at conception. That is NOT the point of disagreement. The disagreement is over whether that human being is a person and a subject of rights. Read Michael Tooley if you think I'm just giving you pro-life brainless propaganda. He defends abortion.
lapetitefrancaise07 3 months ago
@lapetitefrancaise07 "NOT a point of disagreement"?
LMFAO Whatever you say. If it can't live on it's own outside the womb, it's not a "life."
By your rationale a teratoma should be granted personal rights.
planetery 3 months ago
@planetery Sorry, all I meant was to distinguish what the disagreement was about. And actually I recant that the biological level isn't a point of disagreement. There are some embryologists and ethicists that do take a minority stance and claim that a new human being is not formed at conception. Unfortunately I don't have citations right now. What I meant was that, for the most part, the question of abortion revolves not around whether what is killed is a human being, but whether it's a person.
lapetitefrancaise07 3 months ago
@lapetitefrancaise07 I'm surprised anyone is still commenting on this after several months, but O.K.
Tell me which religion or religious practice seems reasonable to you? I originally commented on the obvious hatchet job done on Plan Parenthood and was challenged by some real religious garbones who lost their sense of reality years ago.
I am capable of a rational debate.
metalsusa1 3 months ago
@metalsusa1 After reading who you were replying to, I understand your reaction. That guy was off. Forgive me if I sounded arrogant; I probably need to think about how my words are coming across. I felt like you were talking down to anyone that put faith in religion, but that was probably just because of what you were responding to. And my comment wasn't much better, so I can't talk. I apologize. Anyway, I am a Christian and do my best to be reasonable about it, scientifically and otherwise.
lapetitefrancaise07 3 months ago
@lapetitefrancaise07 Apology not necessary but accepted. Thank you.
I am not a believer in God or any other supernatural claims. I am open to evidence that God exists, but haven't seen any convincing evidence so far. I don't hate God nor do I hate Christians.
That pretty much sums up where I'm coming from. My non belief took many years to take hold.
An omniscient and omnipotent deity holds me accountable for sins he knew I would commit before the foundation of the world. Might makes right?
metalsusa1 3 months ago
@metalsusa1 Thanks :) I consider honest search for truth honorable, even if I disagree with your position. No matter what some religious nuts might say, a Christian should respect any honest desire for truth, especially since we believe truth comes from God. Your "might makes right" comment is intriguing, but I think the ensuing discussion would be to large for a comments bar. Feel free to message me if you feel like engaging in a discussion about it. I'm always up for it (philosophy major,lol)
lapetitefrancaise07 3 months ago
I think you're slow in the head because science is always changing, and clearly you have no idea what science is if you deny that..
Ilovezebrapig 5 months ago
Republicans are funny: when you're a brainless cluster of cells, your life is sacred, but once you're born, if you're poor, gay, or a soldier, you're f#cked.
maximum411 8 months ago 2
@maximum411 Preborn your good, preschool your fucked, that is their motto.
Lady0Pamela 4 months ago
It's been 3 months since I viewed this hatchet job, ah.... I mean informative unbiased and obviously unedited video. It's not any better today.
metalsusa1 8 months ago
Was there a band of musicians standing behind the camera man? What's with the dramatic music?
metalsusa1 8 months ago
Can anyone say quote mine?
daemonowner 8 months ago
Science, personhood, and legal rights all seem like valid points in the pro-life debate, but it is a sham by conservatives to derail the conversation, which needs to be about compassion, personal freedom, and the emotional/financial burden on the mother and society. What good can come from imposing a moral imperative which legally forces us to choose between a mother and an embryo? The goal to reduce/eliminate abortion is best served through compassion/education, not legal manipulation.
NorthofRadio 8 months ago
@NorthofRadio There is no liberty for those who can be murdered legally. Therefore, your position is absurd. And another thing: Why are compassion and personal freedom good, if rights are not intrinsic to human beings?
ajpmathwiz 8 months ago
@ajpmathwiz Murdered legally? And all you can think of is abortion? So why is it legal for corporations who do harm to have more legal freedoms and rights than individuals? Why do we spend billions and billions of dollars on multiple wars fueled by our military industrial complex? I don't like to see anyone having an abortion. But unfortunately, we must choose our battles wisely.
NorthofRadio 8 months ago
Personhood USA will fail because it is fueled by fear, steeped in ignorance, and lacks compassion for women and our turbulent society, all of which need our love. Their proposed draconian legislation will only cause harm and more suffering. No one on either side of the debate is pro-abortion. Can we please put that behind us once and for all? The efforts of Personhood USA do nothing more than to quell access to information, polarize issues, and bastardize the teachings of Jesus.
TheHatOnTheDog 8 months ago
ok if u dont want science on ur body then dont go to a doctor anymore.
pmills076 11 months ago 6
@pmills076
Exactly what I was thinking.
BenjaminWirtz 11 months ago
@pmills076 lol i was thinking the same thing when she said that. She shouldnt have been invited XD
rmcarrey 1 month ago
To continue....... I assume you were raised from a child to believe what you believe. I have been very fortunate to have been exposed to logic, reason, and science based evidence. They have been my saviour and helped me to avoid mind traps like religion and other pitfalls that people accept without any evidence. What you accept as truuth is only convincing to the already convinced. Not much more to say on the subject, but, you are certainly welcome to respond to my comments. Try not to rant.
metalsusa1 1 year ago
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lapetitefrancaise07 3 months ago
Settle down, take it easy. FIRST: Do you feel burning the wrong incense fire is evil? (Lev.10:1-2) You say evil must be punished. Read Hosea13:16 and tell me what the unborn did wrong? SECOND: I'm not sure what you mean,"where's your science for abortion". We are in fact Primates, your unbelief of this fact does not change that. FINALLY: I've never killed a baby; I can't "hate" something I don't believe in (God), and as far as being an immoral bigot, That actually describes Paul in the bible.
metalsusa1 1 year ago
@metalsusa1 Yes- disregarding God's instructions about how to worship Him and arrogantly doing things your own way in front of His altar is evil. They were consumed by fire because they failed to follow simple directions. You'd be consumed by fire too if you mishandled fire by disregarding the safety instructions about handling open flames and flammable material (not a perfect analogy, but it fits).
ajpmathwiz 8 months ago
@ajpmathwiz Ah, first of all hello- Second, If God commanded you to kill your family would you?
Mishandling an incendiary object without reading the instructions is a far cry from God sending a fireball from heaven to kill them. Your example fits in no way, shape, or form.
metalsusa1 8 months ago
@metalsusa1 Of course it does, because God is a consuming fire. You don't play with gasoline in front of an open flame, and if you do, it's your own fault if it explodes and kills you. Same with standing before God- you will stand before Him in the manner He told you to stand before Him, or you will be consumed by fire because you were careless in front of a consuming fire.
ajpmathwiz 8 months ago
@ajpmathwiz Look, it's obvious you need counseling. Answer my question would you kill your family if God commanded you too?
metalsusa1 8 months ago
@metalsusa1 After confirming that it was, indeed, God, I would. Am I greater than Abraham? You don't know God, so you don't know what God would and would not do. I, however, know how to test spirits, and no deceiver would ever confess that Jesus is Lord.
ajpmathwiz 8 months ago
@ajpmathwiz After the police arrest you and the courts convict you of multiple 1st degree homicide you can explain to the rest of your extended family how you in fact confirmed that it was God and not some break with reality that commanded you to kill your family.
I submit that your relationship with your religion has cut you off from your humanity. You no longer have any empathy for your fellow man. Your just a robot programmed by Iron Age nonsense.
metalsusa1 8 months ago
@metalsusa1 And you are wicked and arrogant, cursing God for being Holy and attempting to justify your own sins by condemning His Holy Nature and demand of purity to stand before Him. God cannot lie, and He cannot do injustice, and if it should come to pass that I should face being put to death for obeying Him, that is a sacrifice I must be prepared to make. It is you who lacks empathy, for you would have me deny Christ, who died for me, in order to please you!
ajpmathwiz 8 months ago
@ajpmathwiz You my friend got the I'm a religious nut stank all over you.
I picture you huddled up in the back of you closet typing away furiously condemning the vile sinners and enemies of God of the world. A bible in one hand and righteous indignation in the other.
I've read your crazy rants to other people, you need to put down your bible and get laid you maniac.
Do your family a favor and give them a couple minute head start before you do Gods will.
metalsusa1 8 months ago
@ajpmathwiz What region of country were you born? Cause at 22 years old I would have pushed my grandmother down a flight of stairs to get me some strange. LOL.
I hope you realize I'm joking about killing my grandmother, but not about gettin some.
I know, I know you'll accuse me of being a selfish pleasure seeking sinner. At that age every healthy male in the world are thinking the same thing including you my friend.
I forgive you though. Hell, at 22 your brain isn't even fully developed yet.
metalsusa1 8 months ago
@ajpmathwiz "After confirming that it was, indeed, God, I would (kill my family if I believed that a god told me to.."
You belong in a mental institution. With high walls. With VERY high walls. With razor wire.
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lapetitefrancaise07 3 months ago
@ajpmathwiz Oh, wish I'd seen this before I wasted a second of my time answering you. Hope that heaven thing works out for you.
NorthofRadio 8 months ago
@metalusa1
Please write on this post in a manner that children who might visit it will not be corrupted. If you use any more profanity or insults, I will block you from further participation in this discussion.
PersonhoodUSA 1 year ago
@PersonhoodUSA Do you really think your going to stop abortions in this country with lies, bogus videos, and misinformation? Your part of a larger problem that think, most women, just casually get an abortion as part of running their daily errands. Very few women take getting an abortion lightly. You outright lie about Plan Parenthood and the fantastic services they offer to girls that can't afford it. I truly think people like you have mental problems. Commence to blocking if you wish, I'm done
metalsusa1 1 year ago
@metalsusa1 I love the ignorance in your comments. First of all religion and science do not need to be separated, as both can go hand in hand. The big issue I have with you is you said science, reason and logic. In this video, PP has said Science has NO TRUTH. So therefore science never saved you on their principle.
We are not primates. That was disproved years ago. Stop spewing crap and go research please? PP is the most controversial and corrupt institution there is.
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound "We are not primates,That was proven years ago." Who told you that some creationist website. Do me a favor, before you make idiotic comments that reveal your stupendous lack of knowledge, try educating yourself with actual facts instead of A.I.G.'s website. It should have a disclaimer that viewers could lose I.Q. points.
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1 Lmao its taught in all high schools. Humans are not descendants of apes. It was a theory was disproved in recent times.... Not some religious website. Stop making generalizations. And learn to spell moron. First of all, your hate message towards religious beliefs are much more offensive than my swearing. So get your head out of your ASS..
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound Go learn something about Endogenous Retroviruses and Human Chromosome fusion verses Chimpanzee Chromosome 2b,2q and then talk to me.
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1 Lmao you're a moron. Go look up the difference between a Fundamentalist and a religious person. Go look up the actual facts of abortion and the scientific validity that states the fetus is a human being. Go look up the facts of planned parenthood illegally giving abortions to underage teenagers and not documenting them legally.
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound Your going to make some guy very happy some day.
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1 bahaha a gay comment? wow buddy, just because i treat women better than you obviously do does not mean i'm gay. Clearly you need to go look things up. Just because I respect women better than you? And they aren't a piece of meat or something to bang one night and leave? You're fucked.
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound You're sounding about as rational as any creationist I've ever talked with. What did you do with your charm school money? Spend it on booze?
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1 As rational as any creationist? Again you're a complete idiot. Big differences. You go on being the typical douchebag guy. You'll see many a divorce, many an affair, and no respect from women.
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound Yes! Thrill me with your eloquent and charming command of the English language. UNDERGRNDSOUND SMASH!!!!!!!!!!
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1 Whatever. What I love to note is that when I've smacked you down with actual facts on abortion and PP, you come back by slandering me. But you never actually disclaimed anything except the descending from apes.
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound What women do with their bodies has nothing to do with me. If you want to believe some(one?) website that slanders P.P. then you go right ahead. Maybe if your successful in shutting down P.P. women can begin going to some back alley guy? Isn't that much better.
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1 Abortions are taken lightly. 15 year old girls can get them without parental consent. And unlike your bullshit. These facts are DOCUMENTED and proven. The clinics want the money. Not saving a life or something. Go look stuff up
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound Who gives a s#@T what you think. I was talking to these religious nuts who think the world is 6000 years old and dinosaurs were on Noah's ark. Science to them is fine as long as it doesn't conflict with their delusions. Go waste your time interfering in something that has NOTHING to do with you.
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1 LMAO alright. So the only people who believe those biblical metaphors to be true are called FUNDAMENTALISTS, who are in a distinct MINORITY in the religious community. Most legitimate religious groups are for science because they go hand in hand. But you wouldn't know because you're an ignorant jerk.
Secondly, this is a public site. So I have every right to comment on the BS you put on here. Please shut up and go read, you probably never have looked at research have you?
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound "Fundamentalists" Look dummy, you contacted me , I didn't contact you. The ones I originally were chatting with were straight up Young Earth Creationists. I don't know what you are, nor do I care. But if you think it was "proven" man is not a primate, I'm not sure what science you claim to accept.
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1 Dummy? Buddy go research please. Stop spewing bs on here without ever looking up some research. If you're too fucking stupid to go look, then you have no credibility and no right to speak. You ooze with ignorance.
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound Your stupid burns so much!
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1 If you don't like getting bitten in the ass with real logic, science and reason (not the shit you think you know and proclaim), then dont comment on here. Cuz you're a complete moron. GO look up facts and then come back here
UndergrndSound 11 months ago
@UndergrndSound What your cursing CUZ. The you-tuber who put this up will block you. (Not my words, talk to the man)
metalsusa1 11 months ago
@metalsusa1,
You have so much to be proud of -baby killer, God hater, lover of evil, and an immoral bigot. And this makes you proud? No wonder you are not happy.
Thetruuth1 1 year ago
metalsusa,
If you want to think you're an ape that is fine with me. Evolution got you all upset does it? lol Where's your science? Where's you science for abortion? You are serving your god satan. he's the one that you've chosen. And it was your pro-choice to do so.
Thetruuth1 1 year ago
Hell-oooo-w! Are you out there THETRUUTH1? mmmm? I guess your looking up your lame comebacks from some "safe for the whole family" web page. Maybe your chastising some rape victim in why they are going to Hell? (b.t.w. i would never make light of something so serious) I just figure it's something you do to relax and unwind after you set the world straight on why your always right. Well, with God dwelling inside you, I can see how you think that.
metalsusa1 1 year ago
Lets just tell it like it is. Thetruuth1 and legions of Jesus freak zombies like him (i assume) are self righteous, ignorant dummies who live their lives inside the Jesus bubble. As a result, completely ignore or deny actual scientific data that brings into question their particular religious delusion. "Evolution is a lie", "there are no transitional fossils", "atheism is a religion". Maybe you should learn better arguments from your buddy Kent Hovind, oh thats right , He's in jail!
metalsusa1 1 year ago
@metalsusa1
Any time God took life in the Old Testament He had the authority to do so. It was always a punishment for evil acts, there was warning given to stop in most cases. There are consequences for doing evil. Do you really think you are exempt from punishment for your evil acts? It is not wise to mock God or ask to be punished for you sins in the here and now. Your sweetie comments have given you away. How many YT accounts do you have?
Thetruuth1 1 year ago
You Fundamentalist maniacs got a screw loose. Go ahead and deny your God calling for the express murder of babies and infants in the Old Testament. The New Testament is through and through anti-family. Have you dopes even read your bible! Where in the bible does God specifically forbid abortion? Nowhere, that's where. Stay out of other peoples business and stop lying to promote your sick and twisted agenda.
metalsusa1 1 year ago
I am very suspicious when I don't see the video in its entirety. You have plenty of missing footage and, seemingly, take the words out of context. I know for a fact that Plan Parenthood is a fantastic organization. I call bullshit on you.
metalsusa1 1 year ago
“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed. … The embryo now exists as a genetic unity." (O'Rahilly, Ronan and Müller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29).
raybrianson 1 year ago
“The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.” (Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3).
raybrianson 1 year ago
Norma McCorvey / Jane Roe continues:
“I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear.”
raybrianson 1 year ago
Norma McCorvey ("Jane Roe") continued:
"I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!”
raybrianson 1 year ago
Norma McCorvey ("Jane Roe") again:
"I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'."
raybrianson 1 year ago
Norma McCorvey is the real name of "Roe" in Roe v Wade. She came to regret bitterly her involvement with that case and is now a strong pro-life advocate. She speaks now of "this terrible, terrible holocaust".
raybrianson 1 year ago
Nathanson again:
"It is clear that permissive abortion is purposeful destruction of what is undeniably human life. It is an impermissible act of deadly violence. One must concede that unplanned pregnancy is a wrenchingly difficult dilemma,
but to look for its solution in a deliberate act of destruction is to trash the vast
resourcefulness of human ingenuity, and to surrender the public weal to the classic utilitarian answer to social problems."
raybrianson 1 year ago
Bernard Nathanson (former director of largest abortion clinic in western world):
"I am often asked what made me change my mind. How did I change from prominent abortionist to pro-life advocate? A favourite pro-abortion tactic is to insist that the definition of when life begins is impossible [but] foetology makes it undeniably evident that life begins at conception and requires all the protection and safeguards that any of us enjoy.
raybrianson 1 year ago
@juliewashere88. You can play with words as much as you like. Every expectant mother knows that she is carrying a baby inside her. There is nothing about birth that changes a fetus into a baby. But have it as you wish - abortion deliberately kills a young human life, whether you wish to admit the obvious that it is a baby or whether you wish to pretend it is not. Have you watched the Nathanson film? If not, please do so before replying.
raybrianson 1 year ago
LAWLZ
MrAbolitionist 1 year ago
Is it possible to view the entire debate, or at least a version that shows what the other side said just prior to these statements?
jathieme 1 year ago
Whaaat?! This is amazing! I cannot believe they're saying that 'science cannot be applied to my body'. Science has saved millions of lives through vaccinations, antibiotics, etc. If science can't be applied to your body, quit taking medicine when you're sick.
bookranda 1 year ago
its funny, debate a pro abortion supporter on the grounds of science and they will try to stage the debate on philosophy (poorly grounded postmodern tripe which anyone with a passing familiarity of Plato can refute) rebut with philosophy and they will attempt to repackage their faulty logic as science. repeat ad nauseum.
DetectiveThursday 1 year ago 2
@DetectiveThursday What a shiney, shiney mirror you have.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88
The better to see what's come before me. If the past has taught me anything about these debates, its that they are terribly predictable and that the only way for the pro abortion side to win the debate is to be so dispossessed of humanity to openly admit murder and seek refuge in audacity or to be so blinded by emotion the audience pities their folly. refuge in postmodernism is the tactic taken when they would rather call a draw than admit defeat.
DetectiveThursday 1 year ago
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@DetectiveThursday
What "pro-abortion side"? There isn't any such thing anywhere except in your own imagination.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Of course there is. I guarantee you that the people who get rich performing abortions actively want more women to have abortions.
ajpmathwiz 8 months ago
They say fix your pets i say fix woman who have had abortions put them into some sort of system thtat will notify any clinic that they have been fixed and are to remain that way. and if you can get the guy to even better even better in order to get an abortion the guy should be ther to fix both of them and put them both in to the system
Chimera755 1 year ago
@Chimera755 Wow, you're really disgusting.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
Give a thumbs up if you think juliewashered88 is sick in the head, selfish, and a spoiled rotten brat!!
Baby killing is what she has decided to make her life work. Julie you don't have to go to hell, you are choosing it!! Choose life, not death!!
Thetruuth1 1 year ago 2
@Thetruuth1 Big thumbs up !
I really think juliewashere88 is blinded by evil.
She sees no difference between an unborn baby and a tumor.
She has said in other posts that she doesn't believe in GOD.
She tries to hide the fact she is a wicked monster by telling herself that "it isn't a human - being -!"
It's her way of hiding in the dark.
And she gets upset when people see her for what she really is.
A pro-baby murdering monster.
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 Yes, I see the difference between unborn babies and tumors. Tumors exist.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@Thetruuth1 Attacking people while simultaneously having your head stuck up your ass is impressive. If your against abortion then don't have one stupid. I resort to name calling when I know I'm talking to a wall. B.T.W. When is Jesus coming back to rapture you uneducated butt plugs off the planet? Oh sweet Jesus, please save me the people that believe in you!
metalsusa1 1 year ago
@metalsusa1
Judging by your posts on your channel, and your continual use of the word, butt plug, I can only assume this is your scientific argument? You are another spoiled, selfish, rotten brat.
The bible talks about the unborn as children, and thy shall not kill. If you can control the pejoratives and make a factual scientific claim people might take you seriously.
Thetruuth1 1 year ago
@Thetruuth1 Now, now sweety, don't get your panties in a bunch. My main point was your God, not mine, murders or orders the brutal killing of numerous children and infants in the Old Testament. I know, JESUS made a new contract, right? You no longer have to observe the Mosaic Laws. So that excuses your God from infanticide? Do you think your God, who remains the same forever, really cares about children? I don't.
metalsusa1 1 year ago
Wow.... i think they're talking more about philosophy than science... and how can you compare a baby to a virus?!
iwusinger 1 year ago
@iwusinger They aren't comparing a baby to a virus. They're comparing a fetus to a virus.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 If that's not a human baby in there the whole time, and it comes out a baby, what is it when its in the woman's body? A watermelon?
iwusinger 5 months ago 7
@iwusinger Right, because what you get as an end result MUST have been the same as what you started with. What the hell do you think the gestation period if for? It's just hanging out? Sleeping in?
You seem like the type who would fall for that "what do you put in a toaster" word game that kindergartners think is clever.
juliewashere88 5 months ago
@juliewashere88,
Answer these questions if you dare.
When did you become a person Julie?
When did you get your name and who named you?
What part of the cell division did you not need in your mother's womb?
Was your mom pregnant with you?
Does science say you are a human?
When does science say a unique person is created?
Where do you get your information from?
Ignore the questions or answer them and prove your ignorance either way.
Thetruuth1 1 year ago
@Thetruuth1 Do you really expect an answer from juliewashere88?
She has shown she doesn't know the difference from a tumor a sperm or a gamete , or a living person.
Really, she is just like most other wicked pro-abortionists that are to cowardly to say what they really believe, ,,,which is that it doesn't bother them in the least to murder a living, BABY !
Not a clump of cells ,, but a baby.
If they say it isn't a BABY then they think no one will see them for the monsters they are.
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 You have yet to tell me the difference despite the fact that I have asked many times. It seems that YOU can not tell the difference between sperm, tumors, because you refuse to.
There is no such thing as a "pro-abortionist." Being pro-choice means I am only as pro-abortion as I am pro-birth.
Abortion is not murder and does not kill babies. It's self-defense and prevents babies.
God you're retarded.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 Did you see a comma? I wasn't calling you god and retarded. I was using 'god' as an expletive, because that's a common convention in English, the language that I speak.
What do you mean when I consider a woman pregnant? It's not a matter of opinion. Pregnancy begins at implantation. That's when a woman's body starts to recognize and react to the blatocyst.
The difference is a tumor is removable without you maniacs screaming about it.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 said-"pregnancy begins at implantation"
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EXACTLY!
That's the begining of a new person's life!
The whole person, not a part of what it takes to become a person such as a gamete or a sperm or even an egg.
Everything needed to mature into a fully developed human being has been started at conception.
You can call it a fetus, a baby or just a human being.
It doesn't matter what you call it. What matters is if you kill it ,, it's murder!
CONCEPTION = A LIVE PERSON
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980
1 I didn't say that implantation was the beginning of life or person-hood. It isn't either.
2 I thought you were saying that those things began at conception? Implantation doesn't occur until a few days later.
3 One, cell, or a blob of cells is certainly neither whole nor a person.
4 Human tissue begins to multiply from an ovum at conception. A human being requires sentience.
5 I could also call it a ham sandwich, but only fetus would be correct.
6 Look up the word murder.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 said-"I could also call it a ham sandwich"
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You can call it anything you want,,,, but just you - calling - it a ham sandwich doesn't make it one.
It's a live person. Until it dies or is killed.
And about the phrase with " sentience"
At what stage of life do you think you can apply "sentience" to a person?
And is someone in a coma a non human being?
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 That's exactly the point I was making. Calling a fetus a baby does not make it one.
It's alive in just the same way that any other tissue is. And it's not a person for the same reason other tissue is not.
I don't apply sentience. Sentience is the possession of the capacity to think and feel and perceive the world. It's very basic awareness.
A person in a coma still has this capacity even if unconscious.
A better comparison to a fetus would be someone who became brain-dead.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 said- " a better comparison to a fetus would be someone that is brain dead"
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How do you know a non responsive comatose person has this capacity and a fetus doesn't?
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 Because that's an advance brain function fetuses simply don't have a developed enough brain to have capacity for until very late in term and well past the legal limit for abortion. A person in a coma already had the brain development and is usually only unconscious temporarily.
You just arbitrarily declare personhood as beginning at conception as if conception was fucking magic. It's not. Being able to see this just means I'm SANE.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 said-"It's not a person for the same reason other tissue is not"
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At the instant of conception the begining of a new person is the difference.
Not being able to see this basic fact is the difference between a normal woman with natural born motherly instincts and wicked murderous monsters who see a new life as nothing more than a tumor.
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 Continued.
Who the hell are you to tell me what a normal woman is or what normal inclinations are? What makes you think pro-choice women can't be mothers? What makes you think anti-choice women want kids? What makes you think there's anything wrong with not wanting kids? Who do you think you are you misogynist piece of shit?
A fetus isn't a new life, and is like a tumor. Abortion in neither wicked nor can it possibly be murder.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Thank you for proving my point about wicked monsters who would murder their own flesh and blood.
You are a perfect example of the heartless pro-choice monster.
BTW-I agree that there are some pro-life women that do not want children.
The difference between them and you is that THEY DON'T MURDER THEM!
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 I support freedom and the protection of the lives and health of women, who, unlike fetuses, are actual people. Yeah, how heartless I am *eyeroll.*
No, those anti-choice women not having children aren't murdering children. No one is. Abortion is not murder and does not kill children.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Keep telling yourself it's just a clump of cells ,or as you refer to it so often as just a tumor.
I grew up around men that served in Vietnam.
I would hear them talking at times about war.
How some couldn't handle it .
My Dad and uncles seemed normal.
When I asked my Dad if it ever bothered him having killed people in the war.
His answer was ="I never killed a human being"
As long as you don't - call - it a baby then it's not murder.
And no one is ever killed in war!
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 I never said a fetus was a tumor (with the exception of molar pregnancies, which I don't beleive I've mentioned anyway.) What I said is that a fetus is LIKE a tumor in that it is living human tissue, but completely oblivious. Am I deceiving myself into thinking it's not a person? Or is a tumor really NOT a person for the same reason a fetus isn't?
Just because it's possible to pretend that some people aren't doesn't mean everything is a person.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 said-"Am I deceiving myself into thinking it's not a person?"
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YES!
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 Did you just seriously try to tell me a tumor is a person? Because that's what I was referring to in my quote.
So... either A. You're an idiot who can't read, B. An idiot who thinks tumors are people, or C. You dishonestly took that quote out of context to make it seem like I was talking about a fetus (which isn't a person either.)
Take your pick.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 It's so funny you would say that when you are the one so desperate to lie and twist my own words to me (as if you really think you can fool me about what I've said, like I wouldn't know.)
A fetus isn't a person. And there's not even one good reason to pretend that it is, it just makes you feel better and makes for a convenient, albeit transparent, mask for your misogyny.
You are such a piece of shit, I don't know how you can even live with yourself.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 SAID-" You are such a piece of shit..."
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All you have left after your lies is insults?
Well seeing as you are a self professed = evil atheist, dyke, pro-abortion liar.
Being a " piece of shit " is a hugh step up from you isn't it?
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Once she's pregnant, she's a mother whether she wants to be one or not, so your argument is irrelevant. As for a fetus being new life: a zygote is a complete, unique human being. Every cell of your body is a copy of that zygote you once were, but each one is but a part of the whole. The zygote, however, IS the whole.
ajpmathwiz 8 months ago
"Abortion is not murder". It is according to many who are pro-choice:
Naomi Wolf: "We need to ... defend abortion rights within a moral framework that admits that the death of a fetus is a real death."
Faye Wattleton: “we have deluded ourselves into believing that people don't know that abortion is killing".
Planned Parenthood (in the 1950s): abortion "kills the life of a baby after it has begun".
Abortion kills a young baby. Fact. For most of us, killing a baby is abortion.
raybrianson 1 year ago
@raybrianson No, killing a baby is killing a baby. Abortion does not kill babies. It can't. No baby is yet present. Fetuses are not babies.
Abortion saves women's lives.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 You can play with words as much as you like but every expectant mother knows that she is carrying a developing baby inside her. There is nothing about birth that changes a fetus into a baby. Is a 36 week old, born prematurely, a baby but a 38 week old, still in the womb, somehow less than a baby?
But anyway, the terminology is unimportant. Embryo, fetus, new-born baby, child, adult - all are fully human. You can't justify the killing of human life by means of wordplay.
raybrianson 1 year ago
@raybrianson 1. Accuracy is playing with words? HA! You're the one doing the wordplay. 2. Gestation is a slow, gradual process that turns a fetus into a baby at the end. What finally comes out is not what was there all along. 3. Abortion rights have nothing to do with what a fetus is or isn't. It's about whether or not WOMEN are people. Guess what? We are!
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Two questions:
1. At what point did you become a person?
2. Imagine a kitten and a human embryo both conceived on 1 January. The kitten would be born around the start of March. If I literally cut it to pieces two weeks later, while it was desperately trying to escape my knife, you would surely and rightly be horrified. But if I do the same thing on the same day to the unborn human being, of exactly the same age, how can you really view that as morally completely neutral?
raybrianson 1 year ago
@raybrianson 1. I've always been a person - something which requires sentience. Without sentience, there is no "me" to be anything at all. 2. A kitten is not a cat fetus. It does not violate your rights so killing it is not self-defense. Killing it is unnecessary as you can give it away. None of this is true for abortion. Fail analogy is fail.
Oh, and there's no such thing as an unborn human being. A fetus is a fetus, nothing more.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88
You have avoided both my questions - did you become a person at birth, or earlier or later?
Of course there is such a thing as an unborn human being! You were one yourself the day before you were born. I think you are saying that killing the kitten is wrong (because it is not a fetus - your ultimate test) but killing the unborn human being is OK (because it is a fetus). Is that a correct understanding of your view?
To describe abortion as self-defense is also absurd.
raybrianson 1 year ago
@raybrianson I actually did answer your questions. Not liking the answers I gave does not undo them. Reality just doesn't work that way.
There's no such thing as an unborn human being just like there's no such thing as an unbuilt house or an unmade sandwich.
Actually, I said killing a kitten is not OK because, unless you plan to eat it, there's just no reason to. Unlike a fetus, a kitten doesn't not violate your body or cause you bodily harm. Abortion IS self-defense. That's why it's a right.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 No, you have (still) not answered them. I presume that you cannot.
I have in front of me a picture of a baby in the womb at 20 weeks. Your analogy with an unmade sandwich is fatuous. The picture is so obviously of a beautiful young human baby: perfect nose, perfect eyebrows, perfect mouth. Perfectly human. It does not violate anybody. Nobody has the right to kill it.
Self-defense? No - almost no abortions nowadays are to save the mother's life.
raybrianson 1 year ago
@raybrianson Yes, I have. I presume you can't read. My comments are right here in this thread, read them.
But not a perfect, functional brain capable of sentience and sapience, like all human beings have.
Yes, an unwanted pregnancy does violate women's bodies. No one and no think can use our bodies without our permission. Period.
ALL legal, safe abortions save women's lives.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
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Countries that criminalize abortion have negative results from it such as taking away women's right to choose, illegal back alley abortions, orphans, overpopulation, and poverty. Prove me wrong on this. I bet you can't, can you?
Embryos and fetuses are not neonate babies. Women have the right to abort whatever gestates their wombs in my country anyway.
NverEnoughDeathMetal 1 year ago
@NverEnoughDeathMetal I honestly don't care, because none of those reasons justifies taking a human life, and frankly, if a woman dies as a result of an abortion, it's her own fault, just the same as if you walked into a bank, demanded money at gunpoint and were shot dead by the teller or someone else in the bank- your death is your own fault if you threaten the life of another and die in the process. I guess you think we should just gas disabled people, too, to decrease the surplus population.
ajpmathwiz 8 months ago
@Thetruuth1
1. I am a sentient being and I require sentience to be an I. I have therefore always been a person. Prior to sentience, there was no me.
2. My mother named me. She chose my name years before I was ever born.
3. My mom was pregnant with a fetus which eventfully became me.
4. Yes.
5. It doesn't.
6. Pot. Kettle. Black.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
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@juliewashere88,
Hey Julie YOU Ignored these questions:
What part of the cell division did you not need in your mother's womb?
When does science say a unique person is created? The Embryology Medical books do say when human life begins, at conception.
I just love this statement YOU made: "I have therefore always been a person. Prior to sentience, there was no me."
So what were you before you were a sentient being?
Thetruuth1 1 year ago
Throughout history there has always been evil people coming up with excuses to murder another group of people. Dehumanization always precedes the evil act of Slavery, Holocausts, Abortion, Genocide, etc... These people in this video are no different. They have stepped away from truth and are hiding behind lies to perform their diabolical terror on a weaker group of people. And the only reason they are successful is because the majority of the good are silent!
Sadly, history repeats itself!
icimblind 1 year ago
@icimblind Yeah, and your excuse is to irrationally insist that human tissue is more important than human beings so you can justify letting women be enslaved or die.
Maybe you should step away from the mirror. You're the one repeating history.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88,
Thanks for proving my point
Btw, you have a nice "human tissue" picture of your mom as a profile picture.
How and why did you do that? You must be in love with mom's body!
icimblind 1 year ago
@icimblind Was that supposed to mean something? Was there some kind of point there?
It just sounded like garbage to me.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88,
It's amazing how you suffer from amnesia when it concerns your own language. How did you get a picture of your mom's "human tissue" on your profile picture? Don't like being dehumanized, do you? You're an evil selfish person preying on weaker smaller people. Until you can skip the gamete stage of your development, you have no right to take it away from any one else.
icimblind 1 year ago
It takes a lot of guts for a person who believes this crap to admit that it is just that. These are people who have had abortions or make money off of abortion and don't have either the desire or courage to admit the truth. My basic statement for them is: "Abortion is wrong because it takes the life of an innocent human" and "It's a human rights issue." Then I end the discussion. They will either believe or they won't. I focus on what I personally can do to advance the rights of the unborn.
SillyMimi1 1 year ago
@SillyMimi1 Of course people don't beleive your two statements. They're both wrong!
juliewashere88 1 year ago
The comparison between the cold virus (is that the rhinovirus?) and a human fetus is a dumb argument- number 1: "they're both little and living inside of me" : a virus is much smaller than a fetus and there is legitimate debate over whether viruses are living or non-living creatures- they are basically RNA (0r DNA ) inside a protein shell. 2. A human fetus is human ( both it's parents are human, it has human DNA) a virus is not human.
whipassmt 1 year ago
"science cannot be applied to my body"- isn't that basically what medicine is, the application of science to the human body?
And someone born with an X and Y chromosome is male, not female.
All the science is not absolute arguements seem like the kind of things people would say in order to argue against teaching evolution.
whipassmt 1 year ago
This is ridiculous. Why should we be extending ethical considerations to something that has not even developed the capacity to be aware? The latter btw is a scientific fact.
Culiccidae 1 year ago
@Culiccidae
What do you mean by "aware". Should a sleeping person or someone in a coma be denied "ethical considerations" because they are not "aware".
whipassmt 1 year ago
Wow, way to take comments out of context.
She's right though.
Not that science is on the anti-choice side anyway.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Science says human life beings at conception. That is a fact. There is no rational debate.
IssuesAndJustice 1 year ago
@IssuesAndJustice Wrong.
First of all, Science doesn't say anything. Science is a knowledge-building enterprise and not a sentient being capable of making statements.
Secondly, beleive it or not, conception isn't magic. It can't override the basic rule of biology that you cannot get life from non-life. Life does not and can not begin at conception for the simple reason that life is already present before conception. Conception is just one of many occurrences necessary for continuation.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 said-" life does not and can not begin at conception for the simple reason that life is already present before conception..."
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Let me try to explain it ,,,,
CONCEPTION is the begining of a - NEW LIFE - different and seperate from both the egg and the sperm.
A live, whole, person in the early stage of life.
And this person will continue to mature through all stages of life from conception to birth through childhood ,adulthood and old age ....
Unless the life is ended
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 The formation of those gametes is the formation of a new human life in the exact same way. And those gametes well continue to mature though all stages in life... blah blah blah.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 NOOOOOOOOOOOO...
A gamete is only a reproductive cell aka= A OVUM OR SPERM.
It only becomes a person when it unites with the other.
And while a gamete is alive, it isn't a person and never will be untill conception.
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 A gamete is human and it's alive.
And it DOESN'T become a person when it meets with another gamete. It makes a zygote - which isn't a person until it reaches the end of a slow, gradual developmental process and finally acquires sentience.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 said-" a gamete is human and it's alive."
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And what becomes of a gamete if it never" meets another gamete"?
A person begins life at conception.
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 The same thing that happens to a blastocyst if it never implants. The same thing that happens to an embryo or fetus if it halts development or detaches itself. It simply means the end of some human tissue and means no person ever comes into being.
Live is present BEFORE conception and can not begin after it. Person hood requires sentience and can not begin before it.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 said-" Live is present before conception and can not begin after it.
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Nooooooooooo,,,
Once again, A gamete while being alive, ISN'T a person! and is incapable of ever becoming a person on it's own.
The instant of conception is the begining of a NEW UNIQUE PERSON.
Granted this person is in the very early stage of life .
But it IS a person and will mature through all stages of life including birth, childhood and adulthood unless killed or dies.
CONTINUED----->
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Jullie,, why don't you just face facts and admit that abortion is the killing of an unborn - PERSON -?
There are pro-choice people that claim a baby isn't a person until the age of 2 years .
Then there are those that knows that that would never be accepted - yet- so they just clain it isn't a person until birth.
Both groups are evil murderers with only a time frame seperating them from one another.
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 Because it's not a fact.
Neither is anything else you've said in your last comment.
A zygote isn't capable of becoming a person on it's own either. Conception doesn't magically create a person because being a person requires sentience. All conception creates is a zygote. One. Single. Cell. Nothing more.
And whether or not it will ever become a person is just as dependent on a series of evens as is a perm becoming a person.
You fail.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 SAID" PERM"
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I know you mean sperm
So please tell me what you think will happen to a sperm if it never reaches the egg?
What will happen to the egg if conception never happens?
And if you don't believe that a person begins life at conception....
Then at what stage of life do you consider a person to old to murder legally?
At birth? 2 years? or older?
mrsjbs1980 1 year ago
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juliewashere88 1 year ago
@mrsjbs1980 What, a typo? NO WAY!!
Conception never happening has the exact same effect as implantation never happening. There is simply no pregnancy.
You can't murder anyone legally at any age. Look up the word murder some tome.
You can't murder a fetus because it isn't a person. It requires sentience for that, but more importantly, no act of self-defense, which abortion is, can be murder.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 A gamete is only half a person. Without the other half, it is no person at all.
ajpmathwiz 8 months ago