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  • is there a video for aniki vs link? id like to see those two go at it btw i play as link and i think germ needs to use a bit more projectiles to slow fox and other speed characters down also catching fools in an UP B mid roll seems like it could have been made then again im only a local battlemaster nothing on there levels. Opinions?

  • Nice game =)

  • 26 666 watcher lol

  • Germ sucks. Aniki is good.

  • aniki is better that whole wavedash shit is over used man

  • @linkthepimpofhyrule Don't be that guy.

  • @RedtheGhost it's true wave dashing is cheap lol it doesnt show skill aniki fights with out using it so i'm not that guy lol i just think wave dashing isnt really good

  • @linkthepimpofhyrule Firstly, this is a four year old video. Wavedashing in the current metagame opens up a ton of positioning/spacing options, is viable on and off the edge, for approaching out of shield, for spacing on platforms, for comboing with several characters and many other things. Aniki is an old player, and even during his time, he was one of the few that decided not to use it. He never placed high in tournaments, either.

  • @RedtheGhost ok so but he was skilled cuz he didnt use it

  • @linkthepimpofhyrule Wavedashing doesn't seem applicable to you because you've never taken the time to actually get into the game. Oh, and last I heard (that being a year or two ago), Aniki plays Samus anyway. And there's video evidence of him wavedashing in match.

  • @RedtheGhost actually i play the game alot so yea calm down lil boy lmao n idc wth u giving me info idc bout all i sed was aniki was better i didnt ask for all this info lol look idnt use wavedash n if inter a tournament n som1 does use i might lose but i'll give him a fight so yea i've been playing melee since it came out i use link all the time i can fight good with him n i dnt need wavedash like i sed i'll prob lose to som1 who uses but idc

  • @linkthepimpofhyrule But you haven't been playing Melee competitively for two years, and wavedashing doesn't apply to the game if you don't. Go to the Apex tourney and ask anybody there if it's applicable. >w>

    I suggest you don't make claims you can't back up if you don't understand the metagame and don't want a retort.

  • @RedtheGhost omg lol yes i have omg now i have to spell correctly for this guy lmao ok i have competed competitive lol not in tournaments lol and yes i can back up the fact that i can give one of them a hella good fight lol believe me i dnt say things without backing them up lol you can count on that lol do u need me to place periods and commas as well lol look man u probably a great fighter and i wouldn't doubt it but heres the thing dnt brag not saying u are bragging is bad how bout adding me

  • @linkthepimpofhyrule not in tournaments but a lot of my friends have gone to tournaments and they wave dash a lot but i still kick there assess lol so yea add me k instead of getting heated up on this lol

  • @linkthepimpofhyrule Also, I suggest some grammar and syntax skills. Your spelling is atrocious and I could barely make out what you were trying to tell me.

  • @RedtheGhost @RedtheGhost Wavedashing is essential for Doc, Samus, Fox, Falco, Sheik, Ganon, Marth, the Ice Climbers, Peach and several other characters (Mario, Mewtwo, Roy, Pika, YLink, Link to an extent . . .).

    And you know what it requires? Two button presses.

  • germ was using the hookshot at the wrong moments, he needs to time it better

  • Wow, how come no one ever grabs their opponent when their opponent uses their sheild too long? It leaves them wide open, but in all these videos I've been watching no one ever seizes that opportunity.

  • i would imagine shit is happenin soo fast the thought doesnt cross their mind till later like "damn, i coulda shoulda grabbed" happens to me all the time

  • Yeah, that makes sense. I understand now in fact now that I look back on it the same thing happened to me too, lol, WAY too many times.

  • You should show those nooblits how its done then!

  • 0:13

    0:15

    0:43

    2:03

    2:15

    I think Aniki hardly ever wavedashes with link for a reason. There's plenty of more effective stuff he could be doing. Like nairs, prediction/reaction uairs/fairs.

    Also...Germ's a good link, but he's occasionally really sloppy. :| Isai is just too good for that.

  • 2:02 did Germ moonwalk?

  • yep

  • how can you cancel the links attack?

  • at least germ didn't get DOMINATED like on dreamland.

  • imo when mango can devastate crews like m2k did against crazy return then he will truly be the best. i mean he is better than m2k now but looking on it that is one hell of an achievement to pretty much wipe out a whole crew by yourself.

  • Nairs FTW!

  • 2:02 moonwalk

  • germ was faking his godness and needed to be stopped!

  • w/e imo ken is still #1...cuz he has won the most tournaments coming out in 1st place

    m2k isn't the best...but he's pretty damn close

  • Yeah. I think Mango is better than m2k right now. Mango might even be the best. :O

  • mango is def the best then m2k then ss probs man.

  • ken still has the greatest record of wins....Fact

  • well yeah he started playing 5 years before mango and  m2k.

  • you are saying that they have been playing for 2 years? wrong

  • sigh... he was playing professional matchs earlier... sigh ur dumb.

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  • I can' believe the comments are filled with stupid comments about who's the best. This is a fucking game. The match was germ vs isai. How the FUCK did you guys stray that far away from subject and fill this whole entire video with mexico asia and disrespecting DBR members. Isai is amazing but I doubt he is the best in the world. Every country has their best players etc. And it's pretty ignorant to state that someone is the best in the world. There's prob 100's of people like Isai in the world.

  • m2k is best in the world. Try to prove me wrong.

  • what does m2k have anything to do with any of this..? The whole comment was for people saying their country has the best smash player which is retarded because there will never be a best player in the world unless every smash player in the world were to play. And sadly that doesn't happen. And yes m2k is probably 1 of the best but i doubt he is the best in melee. There are probably dozens just like himself.

  • 1. it is a known fact that the united states has the most developed metagame in the world. American smashers are indeed the best.

    2. Ken has traveled around the world and has beaten top players from other countries. m2k 3 stocked ken in a marth ditto iirc.

    3. Ok. Name a dozen people just as good s m2k,

  • So you're seriously saying that there isn't one other person on the planet as good as m2k. It was a rhetorical question. It's quite impossible to get everyone on the planet to play m2k. It's pretty ignorant to say that he is the best, but yes I do agree with you. He is good. The fact that the whole entire would could play smash, and there are probably cave children in indonesia that happen to play smash and own AR to be just as good as m2k.

  • It's like saying you can beat the Philadelphia Eagles in football just because you play a lot of backyard football. M2k is a professional. So are the eagles. See the connection?

  • Okay there is no resemblance there between the philidelphia eagles and m2k. M2k is a joe who plays ssbm yeah he's beaten ken but thats just like saying m2k is undefeated through out the whole game. I doubt there isn't a caveman in india that plays ssbm that can't beat him. And I'm pretty sure there are plenty of football teams that can beat the eagles. Even if they are unorganized.. As long as they were trained to play like the pros then yes. Just like any advanced smasher could(surely ONE can).

  • Yes. trained to play like pros. Do you play smash competitively yourself? Mindgames aren't natural. It takes a lot of time to learn proper mindgames. M2k has godly mindgames. Spacing, techskill, and muscle memory also takes time.

  • Of course I play, And yes mindgames certainly DO take time to learn. But good people can teach nobody's.. M2k's already said that AR has helped him master almost every technical thing such as waveshining or l-canceling.. I don't doubt in my mind that he is VERY good. Just saying he's the best is a little too far. There has to be a couple people who play like him. Don't you think? It's like saying there's no aliens in the universe, you can never truly know, unless you visit the whole universe.

  • I see, my mistake then. Im glad you agree mindgames take a while to learn. I'm saying there are people close to his level but no one can be as good as him. you have to factor in the metagame int he area and the USA has the highest MG level.

  • if they are indeed the best they should prove it. m2k has proven himself with tournament results. your bullshit indonesian kids haven't.

  • You didn't see the point. Indonesians have nothing to do with it.

  • the whole points was that there really is no true way for m2k to be the best in the world when he was already defeated by mango who had only playn for a year prior to beating him @ Pound 3, and i dont doubt there is some other joe whos just like mango could beat him. There's no possible way to see who's the best. And tournament winnings have nothing to do with since KEN had probably the best power rankings in the US and still lost to m2k.

  • yeah... he lost to m2k after m2k got better.

    pound 3 is a joke, it happened over a year ago and mango keeps johning whenever the opportunity arises to show his melee prowess by beating m2k again.

  • no johns, i do agree m2k is pretty nasty. He's probably #1 in US and mango is probably 2nd but until they DO meet up, mango is still #1 cus of pound 3. But I DO say m2k is still playing melee which does make me happy that melee is getting its attention STILL.

  • mango johning about playing m2k?

    lol go watch revival of melee vids.

  • mango just recently beat m2k with his falco...

  • I think aniki is the best link

    He plays it smarter than everyone else including germ.

    My opinion. dont hate.

  • the germ is still my favorite link. i personally think his link has more skill than aniki's. aniki uses link the most basic way pro link players are suppose to use him. which is practical, but germ developed a style with link that no link pro ever was genius enough to think of. to add, i always wished germ and ken had a fight. i saw enough aniki vs ken, but i'd like to see what germ's link would do to ken's marth, or visa versa.

  • im with u

  • there's no point making excuses as to why germ lost. he might have been counter picked in this case, but that hardly stops him from owning the hell out of zelgadis' fox. i can almost feel germs frustration throughout this fight. so many times he was set up to unleash the combos hes famous for, but isaiah kept slipping out of them. watching this also makes me hate brawl even more. i think i'm going to get a band of friends together and go back to melee. i had an insane marth and link.

  • see isai falcon, freakin godly

  • isai slays dragons

  • So apparently noobs flock around germ...

    Germ lost to ISAI. Isai didn't need to pick fox, watch some more videos or better yet get some own tournament experience to check that out yourself.

  • I wish I could see how fast they move their hands :( lol

  • they do a good job keeping focus under the stress

  • germ should have used link's dair at 2:20,that wouldve killed fox.aniki would never make those idiot mistakes,aniki is in his own league with his link.hes incredible. and god damnit germ use a projectile.

  • you said it all :D

    go go aniki

  • just listen to the sound of those controllers. XD

  • hahhaah dumbasss there are pro mewtwos do u think every1 records every single match up in these tourneys have u even been to one?

  • Taj mains Mewtwo. If you tell me he isn't a pro, you're lying.

  • actually he mains marth.

  • *Headdesk* Yeah, you're right. But regardless, he's still a pro Mewtwo.

  • i really respect the pro link and dk players cause its really hard to be good with them against those other chars like fox marth and falco

  • lol wtf are u talking about tiers mean nothing all to the players skill

  • tiers do too matter wtf are u talking about y aren't their any pro mew2s then?

  • the tier list is all messed up...

  • Maybe but it states that fox is god tier and link is mid next to samus..

    Germs link is much more fluid and he knows his character much better then isia knows that fox and it shows but hes completely counterpicked from fox to link..

    tiers and moves if u think you know the game study more

  • i dont think Aniki is better then germ they just have different styles but i think the germ was just nervus

  • Germ did much better than his other match, but imo I don't think he is better than Aniki. I'm not saying Germ is bad either cause hes a real good Link and hes one of the Links that inspired me to play Link. Fox is a tough match up for Link and the speed he has really hurts Link because he has alot more mind game options and combo, but I do believe there is always a way to win despite the whole tier system. Just giving my 2 cents on this match. Germ did fight well and he is a really good Link.

  • Germ is THE BEST link player.. Aniki's good but Germ would win. As you can see, he's doing even better as in the first match with isai he didnt stand a chance...but i believe he will eventually surpass isai, as it's not about what moves you do, but you're intellect and instincts... AND BTW HE WOLDA POWNT U IF U FUGHTTED HIM NOOb

  • -.- Germ would lose to Aniki because he is more focused on his moves rather than his opponents moves. I dont know for sure, but u should not judge if someone wins based on their tactics, if u lose in mind games, u lose the match.

  • lol love the random yoshi sounds from the other matches =P

  • :O:O:O:O:O:O:O

  • i think fox vs link...

    fox a little bit inbalanced...

    i mean shieldcombos and shielddibing as link u can do nothing if u are in it..

    i play both charas fox and link so germ is my "vorbild"

    i don´t find the english word.. maybe idol??

  • fooouuurrr stttocckkkedd

  • My Final Analysis, Isai is an SSB & SSBM God, while Germ is a Titan of SSBM, God's beat Titans, but nothing else on the planest besides God's can, it's pretty simple.

  • God Of War talk lol

  • At 1:03 Germ should have done Up-B again instead of D-smash, of course, I understand that he didn't want to repeat the same move, however, that would have ended Isai's first stock.

  • First stock that Isai takes off of Germ = Godlike Edge Guarding

  • 2:57 when Link forces fox off the stage by down thrusting into him KNOWING fox would shield... my mind is blown by the skill

  • OMG germs link is good but i dont think its better than aniki's. I wupld like to see a match between them.

  • lol there was a moonwalk from germ at 2.00 XD

  • Isai is insane at button tapping and i don't know how he gets fox to SH every time he wants to! I find that insanley hard.

  • Isai's Fox is to good.

  • i actually like germ's link better... he has more precise skill... he's just missing the ranged stuff

  • Germ isn't trying to hit Isai with his ranged, he knows that's folly, it's easy to see, especially if you've been playing Link a couple years. Germ was using those projectiles as air control, so that he could get a hit in, it's folly to try to hit someone with projectiles when they're good enough.

  • isai shouldve waveshined germ when he missed thoes throws. aniki has the best link and germ has a good link and falco.

  • Aniki isn't the best anymore.

  • This from MLG SF 2005. Germ has gotten better, but Aniki and Smasher still have better Links than him.

  • They're both good players, you people should recognize that- I love playing as link and fox.

    But link is just a lower tier. Just look how slow and un-agile he is.... he's better for a friendly joust with a friend, not a hardcore player. You know fox.

  • Actually, there are some pro Link players have the ability to juggle a Fox pretty easily. Most of Link's moves can immobilize him pretty well.

  • It really comes down to the player man -___-;;;""...

    The only fast attacks that come to mind with link is both back and neutral aerial melee (Kick and double kick) Thats kinda annoying to close on the enemy with..

    Still though, true, link players can pwn people (Me being the biggest f'ckin zelda freak around, can agree). Just depends on the two ppls skills..

  • Me too, I am also a Zelda freak.. don't forget, Link's Down Smash can be considered a good way to immobilize a Fox and start up a small combo...

  • True! Link's down smash move is also his meteor smash when used next to a ledge (Tip: use it when your opponent is below the stage and is trying to recover!)

  • Actually that'd be Link's Down-tilt. =P

  • the fact is rolling is affective in some cases..you have to get you and wavedashing dosent work....falco for instance

  • lol, this proves that you need to be able to read ur opponent not just urself.

  • Thank you Isai for putting Germ in his place. Germ is all show with Link(its pretty sad). People should stop making a big deal about using Link. Link is a great character if used properly, just look at Aniki or Smasher. Of course Germ will never play Link as effectively as those two(most likely the reason he picked up Falco; that puss).

  • ahaha, spoken like a true aspect...

  • Not really...He puts on a better show than Smasher and Aniki. I bet if they got into a match Germ would come out on top because he plays smart. Plus it's fox against Link, unfair advantage. Show me a match in which Aniki or Smasher battled a worthy fox such as Isai's

  • Your a complete idiot. Germ is all show, nothing more. Aniki is the best link and Smasher comes close second. Aniki has faced plenty of pro fox players and has won (e.g. Masashi,Koto etc.). How does he play smart anyway? Next time know what your talking about before you comment dumbass.

  • links a noob

  • you're a noob

  • its amazing how 2 or 3 techniques makes the difference between a good beginner (with friends etc.) and a good tourney player, wavedashing, intercepting (especially intercepting), and maybe some mind games. But seriously I've questioned this watching link, His wavedash is so short why not just roll? Is it really that important to wavedash those two inches when you can roll twice that or whatever. Just my two cents.

  • Cause if germ rolled through a couple Isai's flurries (not that its easy) he could have opened himself up for a short hop sword plant or a turn around forward double smash.

  • Somethinganother : roll = more delay than wavedash, and if you know how to perfect wavedash with Link (control stick almost horizontal) two perfect wavedashes can go farther than a roll and has less delay.

  • Link CAN moonwalk...theres a captain falcon moonwalkin video out..and the video also says link can moonwalk....

  • what's up with link at 2:02? did he just moonwalk?

  • germ not as good as isaia i wouldnt even say isaia is sooo great wtf fox vs link omg cmon fox owns and wow didnt even kno link could moonwalk gj props 2 GERM

  • Don't use tiers as a way to measure the player. Ganondorf used to be pretty high tier, but not anymore. As people learn more about the game, tiers change. Playing a midtier like Link against a Fox is fine, it's not like he's crazy, it's just what he's used to. Aniki plays Link, and he was on top of the Kantou rankings for awhile. And besides, Isai is just insane when he's not sandbagging.

  • Link can moonwalk, and Germ does not suck.

    He's picked up Falco.

  • Germ has some serious balls for playing as Link, especially against a top tier like fox.

  • 2:02, is that some kind of moonwalking?

  • Lol, Germ is far from sucking. He is pretty damn good, it's just hard to win with a mid character. Give him props.

  • germ doesnt suck he whoops plenty of ass with link a mid tier character isai is crazy good and fox is top tier. even if you shffl with link hes slow as balls so germ has to play off of timing and set up you dumb noobs get some experince before you talk shit, you cant compare fox's shffl speed to links its unfair

  • Did Link just moonwalk at 2:02?????

  • Man all you people who think Germ sucks is wrong. just cause hes not as good as isai doesnt mean he sucks. I know for a fact i cant beat germ but it'd be worth playing him to get better. germ's got one of the best links around.

  • Aniki has the best link/Young Link

  • Isai was doing alright on the first stocks, aggressive wavedashing uthrowing and short hop comboing; but he started telegraphing his smashes in the middle and Germ should have nailed him.

  • I saw germs combo vid, and thought he was link god, then i see his other vids against zelgadis and now isai, and man germ sucks so bad. he could have had that fight so many times over, but he kept making so many stupid mistakes, letting isai live when he shouldnt have, over and over. I wish i could play him.

  • those of you who claim the germ suck say it to his face.9/10 he would whoop you alls ass

  • the real name of isai is Joel Alvarado.

  • germ did an outstanding job against that fox. i think he coulda won if he wasnt running away as much.

  • Germ sucks HDL link is way better than germ and even aniki.

  • isai is the shit

  • @ 3:01

  • u got to give credit to germ for standing up against a fast character. i play with link and i hate playing marth and fox

  • Marth shouldn't be that much of a problem. He's got no projectile, so if you keep a little distance, grab more and avoid the laggy moves, he shouldn't be that bad. Aniki can take next to any Marth down, but rarely a good fox.

  • Indeed, would be neat to see them switch roles and Isai play link, Germ play fox.

  • Much better match compared to the 1st meeting. Link managed to knock out two stocks and got himself edgehogged twice. Probably the shortfalls of American-styled playing. Aniki rarely gets edgehogged.

  • but he also selfdestructs more than germ.

  • Aniki rarly sweetspots lol. That may be the key!

  • yea too bad link's so heavy. then wave shining would be impossible for fox. then it woulda been fair. i h8 playing my fox-using friends. -_-

  • Two things:

    1. Isai needs to play faster! Is that even possible? ^.^

    2. Change his name to TheRealNeo.

  • :40...curse you isai...I just can't waveshine yet you do it easily =/

  • Lol, and Germ gets owned. That's what he gets for using the Link costume with piss-yellow tights. :P

  • Fox is for pussies.

  • Germ is II good. 2:59-3:01 is godly. Too bad Link will never make it very far in large scale tournies. I hear The Germs Fox is solid though.

    Ps: Isai is II good too.

  • his Falco is better than his link IMO.  but I've had my ass handed to me by both XD

  • I likes teh Isai Falcon.

    Isai is just simply too good for Melee.

  • stereotypes suck

  • LOL Asia<USA(well me anyway)

    ALl asians use is fox, you stupid asia loving faggots need to learn to not be so fucking stereo typical

  • dumbest comment ever

  • i love it how he stereotypes us

  • wow fox was hard core but anyways that link is the fathers of all links

  • no his name is isai people just call him isaiah cause they cant pronouce isai

  • To krnred225: Oh really? And who told you his full name is "Isaiah?"

  • That was surprising to see... Before watching this match I watched Germ's "Hylian Nightmare" combo video, and from looking at it, it seemed he was literially invincible. But judging by this match, Germ's just flashy.

  • actually isai is just too good

  • Meh, I find Aniki way better. He's mind games are better imo. Plus he's just awesome. I wish I had the name like "Big Brother"

  • Why is pokemon stadium playing when they are on Final Destination? and that was a good match lol.

  • Asian > Mexico > Usa

    Understand? Asia has best ssbm then Mexico i think? then Usa? i never heard of alotta Mexico players but i saw a few vids of them.. pretty neato.

    Why everyone loves Isai.? he is the best Cf player in the world. he made one character from downunder to almost top tier .. he's atm High tier.. like fourth ..

    I like Isai. His fox.. i tought he didnt played fox.. well he does know fox OO

  • Where you're from doesn't matter...it's all skill. I myself am Mexican and can beat the vast majority of the local smashers at midwest tournies. And I'm pretty sure ChuDat and Isai are hispanic or something.

  • Im a mexican like isai and im a link fighter the Germ is the best he is a god link .. i just wish i could gith him one day.. anyway i know this sound stupid but does anyone know how to reach the germ? i mean like e-mail or something.. if somebody knows something plz answer!!

  • Aniki has a better link. IMO.

  • That's actually the first time I've seen Link use the chain to survive. (I knew but, hey.)

  • i recently found out his full name is isiah. like the biblical name.

  • isai use to have the name well

  • man imma post my ssbm fights so plz check em out

    oh yah good germ last match you got raped ^o^

  • hahaha ... everytime there's a melee clip, some kid with an ego ten times the size of his d*ck feels the need to let it hang loose.

    Isai, Zelga, BombSldr and Germ are top-notch, so flapping your material around like North Korea isn't going to earn you any brownie points.

  • wow these guys are so bad. 1v2!! i'll give u guys handicap. come to cali and fight me.

  • isai wats that?foxs name says mel or something