You totally misrepresented Romans 1:32. The term “apostate” refers to someone who leaves a particular religion. It does not refer to the practice of evil, which is the context of Romans 1:32. Those who practice evil, such as murder, are not leaving a particular religion per se. Romans 1:32, in context, is an opinion that murderers, etc. (Romans 1:29-30) “DESERVE” death. It clearly is not calling upon Christians to kill “apostates” or anyone for that matter. And you know it!
Mohammad is not my prophet. He was a wicked man who was a murderer, rapist, slave owner, thief, warlord and no doubt a false prophet. Muslims like to ignore all the ahadith which makes it clear that Mohammad was wicked. And the Quran condones slavery and rape of slave women.
Oh... So many people cover with white sheets. But even if the sheets are white, they do not exempt you from the truth.... Jesus is God.... and the Jews of the time wanted to kill him for that... Many nowadays hate christians. Dont you see? Satan has always tried to destroy anything that comes from God....
One day, when judgment comes, we will see the truth...
@Thamafiaboy When a person is drowning in lies it becomes nearly impossible to seek out and find the truth. This isn't about myself or naliakbar. It's about the spirit of antichrist.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER....
So you see, Mohammed and all Muslims are antichrists as the most important fundamental of his phony 7th century religion.
@PeteWaldo this is a pathetic claim and you full well know it, Christ means messiah in the original language and every muslim believes jesus to be the messiah and expects him back. from the understanding that jesus is the son of god just as david is the son of god no muslim denies that, the problem is you cliam that jesus is god which is what we deny. so we are not anti christ, (anti the messiah) we are for him and are impatiently waiting for his return.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER....
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
@PeteWaldo your claim obviously because you dont accept what you say. you say because Jesus says "I and my father are one" makes them one... ok fine lets accept that for a second, jesus also said: John 17:22-23 - "....that they(the deciples) may be one AS WE ARE one...", so my question is why are you not worshiping the deciples as god? because jesus said to god to make them one as he is one with god, now watch your response, see you will not accept what you just started to say.
@PeteWaldo why you talk about context and then stop there? if you continue reading John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods?
so do you believe that the jews are god and you worship them as you worship jesus? because that is the context.
as for John 8:58 what if what jesus said was "Before Abraham was GOD(I AM reference from the story of moses)" and not refering to himself as being before abraham, an you notice it is not before adam?
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER....
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1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
@PeteWaldo All i know is Jesus peace be upon ihm prayed lika amuslim 26:29 oof MAthew, In GEn so did Abraham and Moses. Jesus said teh spirit of truth would come when he leaves, the holy spirit was already there when he was born, Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him came. Son is a figure os speech like when DAvid peace be pon him was "begotten"
@hbk711x What you really mean is that Muslims pray like the Sabians who 1. prostrated in prayer 2. prayed 5 times a day 3. practiced ablution 5. fasted for 30 days beginning with the sighting of the crescent moon 6. wore long white robes. watch?v=yR3Bla8YwbU Christians are INSTRUCTED 1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing. Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Is Islam even a religion? watch?v=ujUOZyrnewE
Story of old Egypt trinity Rah represents Sun worship of a father a son and I think a mom, who was born 12/25, on the alinement of stars, was crucified and resurrected after 3 days, predicted by 3 kings.
He is blind in 1 eye, sign of the Antichrist in Islam, this is why the $ bill NWO sign has 1 eye above the pyramid of Egypt. Satan sermons on sunrise and set.
X-tians pray on the Sun-day, pagan + satanic links are clear.
Jesus peace be upon him is Muslim innocent of the trinity.
Okay "Vampire" Its very easy to pick lines and interpret them how you feel.
Your reading out of context. Surah 8:12 is referring to the idol worshippers of Mecca who travelled to Madina to fight the Prophet (PBUH). During battle Allah said where you see the unbeliever behead them.
The next line says if they desist guide them to safety and do not transgress.
Tell me what army captain would tell you guide the enemy to safety?
Did Jesus (pbuh) say that verse .. or did someone else who had wrote 1 John 2:22 had decided to write the book a few decades after his ascension .. obviously someone else had wrote claiming he had said it
@vampirehunter33 that commandment in quran sura 8:12 is only allowed when the Muslims are at war against the unbelievers. Next time, read the whole context...
The lies and deception against God and myself in naliakbar's video above, were discussed point by point in a subsequent conversation I had with naliakbar, in the forum at this link (copy and paste and remove the spaces from after the dots)
Don't be shy. Come join us.
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John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
There is no God but Allah, He is One & Only, He has no part, he has no partner, Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is salve of Almighty Allah, He is Last messenger of Almighty Allah, He was a True Spirit from Almighty Allah.
Allah is the Only One True God.
Muslims believe that Eesa Maseeh s/o Meryem (PBUH) has been come in Flesh, He was a True Prophet of Almighty Allah.
While Jews Lie that he has not come yet............
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1-John C#4, V#2-3 , KJV)
Here's a picture of a 53 year old splashing in the bath with his 9 year old "wife":
bukhari (6:298) Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
Matthew 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Those are Jesus words as recorded by eye witnesses. Not as denied 500 years later by A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief.
"You're suggesting that God would reveal Himself "
Stop attributing qualities to the Messiah (pbuh) that he NEVER claimed! Its not beneficial to you. At all. Plus you claim people saw Jesus (pbuh) and he is god so people looked at god? When they CANT EVEN LOOK AT THE SUN!?!?!?! "Preposterous"!!!
Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself THE SON OF GOD.
But you deny ALL the prophets and apostles and the whole subject of the new covenant to follow A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping thief.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:
John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Declaring His divinity and being the Son of God is why He was crucified.
Also, every Muslim believes in the original record that was given to Isa ibn Maryam (pbuh) which was the Injeel (Gospel). Unfortunately it has been lost, but it was only for a specific people at a specific time. It was not meant for thebulk of humanity. Like Jesus (pbuh) said he was only sent to the children of Israel. The Quran was revealed for every human being until doomsday.
Over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of Gods Word were penned prior to 300AD, in virtually every language that was known to man, that were read all over the known world.
To suggest it was tampered with would require that scribes from Syria, Babylonia, Galatia, Asia, India, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Tarshish and Macedonia - to name a few - all made the same mistake, at the same time, for the same doctrinal purpose.
There is not proof as to the validity of the idea that Jesus (pbuh) died. Actually your bible teaches that resurrected bodies will be spiritualized. Not physical. Jesus (pbuh) also said this. I also say this. Im sure you would also. So what is the signifigance of jesus (pbuh) visiting his disciples after his alleged death in the upper room and telling them to behold his hands and feet, and they asking for food and eating it in their very sight. Do ressureted bodies eat? No.
So if your going to talk about not understand your Holy Book, you must look in the mirror first. "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." John 5:30. Jesus (pbuh) is SUBMITTING HIS WILL TO GOD ALL MIGHTY. The definiton of a Muslim is ONE WHO SUBMITS HIS/HER WILL TO GOD ALL MIGHTY. connect the dots. understand your book.
Muslims are deluded by Satan into believing they are, even as they worship the opposite.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
Proof texting a verse or two out of God's Word, and conforming it to your misunderstanding won't change that.
Islam is antichrist. God made Mohammed a liar:
1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.
And pma you will remain a coward because you still refuse the accountability that the forum offers. You thrive on this 500 character, rapidly disappearing, comment roll over.
Why not put on your big boy pants and come show everyone how wrong God's Word is?
How about I copy and paste our conversation here, into there, for openers?
I am not a coward Petewaldo just because I dont want to debate with you on a larger scale. I squeeze in these comment between class and soccer so time is of the essance. I have a great respect for you opinion and notice i have not insulted Jesus (pbuh) the way you insult Mohummad (pbuh). I am only doing this to help resolve your misconceptions about prophet mohammed (pbuh) and Jesus son of mary (pbuh)
Your argument is backwards. A comment can lay dormant in the forum for weeks and be picked up where it left off. It is a smaller, but MORE ACCOUNTABLE scale.
The reason you can't insult Jesus is there is no opportunity to. That's the beautiful thing about walking in the truth.
What do your books say about Mohammed? He was a pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic conquering, thief.
The reason I don't insult Jesus (pbuh) is because the Glorious Holy Quran does not teach us to defile others. Especially not prophets. Yet you not only defile curse and disrespect others but a respected prophet of GOD. Now WHAT WOULD JESUS (pbuh) who you call your GOD say about your actions? hmmm... hypocrit? i think so.
I hate the things that God hates. Conspicuously false prophets like Mohammed that was, and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ, are on that list.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
Mohammed was a prophet of Satan.
Even he declared that it was jinn that he met in the cave, until his wife talked him out of it.
Jesus gave you no opportunity to insult Him as He was manifest as the only perfect human example in the history of mankind.
Let's explore Mohammed's book a little. I can understand how a 6th century reprobate that followed Mohammed into rape, pillage, plunder and sexual enslavement could believe heaven is about relief from cold desert cold and blistering days, rivers of wine and chickens to eat served by perpetually young boys, with multiple virgins to defile on gold encrusted and bejeweled couches.
But don't you 21st century Muslims find Mohammed's preposterously carnal heaven a bit embarrassing?
Again, listen closely. You cannot make any comment pertaining to the Glorious Quran until you become fluent in reading and writing the Arabic language. Every translation of the Quran that you and I could read in any other language are futile attempts to capture the essance of the text. I promise you with every bit of my soul PeteWaldo if you learn the language, then recite the Quran, things would make much more sense.
The "glorious" record of A SINGLE 7th century reprobate speaks eloquently for itself:
Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
Demonstrating that even Mohammed knew how he would be perceived by successive generations by the mess he made of his, only, 23 year record.
Recitation, like mediataion, are satan's playground.
"Demonstrating that even Mohammed knew how he would be perceived by successive generations by the mess he made of his, only, 23 year record." Actually quite to the contrary, you see every prophet was accepted by some, rejected by others. So the ones that would call him a forger would not be accepting the message. Like you my brother Petewaldo, you call him many names and things so you reject him.
But Mohammed was saying he knew he would be viewed as a forger BECAUSE of the EXTENSIVE ABROGATION over just the 23 year record of his self-serving recitations:
Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
Would be comical if not so tragic.
Not abrogated.... just.... substituted!!!.... for something.... better!!!!..... or... er... similar!!!
The verse you quote from the Quran i is reference to the scriptures before the Quran. All of which WERE MEANT FOR A SPECIFIC PEOPLE FOR A SPECIFIC TIME. The ORIGINAL Injeel (gospel), Torat (torah), Zabur ( Worship Book used in Solomon's temple in Jerusalem). EVERY SINGLE REVELATION WAS SENT FOR A SPECIFIC TIME FOR A SPECIFIC PEOPLE AND NO LONGER EXIST TODAY! That is why the last and final revelation is brought for all humanity and the last and final messenger is Prophet Mohummad (pbuh).
So then allah only wanted a few people at a certain time to pimp out their sex slaves eitgh?
Heaven's sakes, marriage is sex slavery in Islam
The revelat6ion of God is divided into two covenants.
The Quran is not. That's why Muslims still pimp out sex slaves today.
You're suggesting that God would reveal Himself over 1600 years through ALL the prophets and apostles, and then turn around 500 years after the fact and give us the EXACT OPPOSITE through Mohammed. Preposterous.
"So then allah only wanted a few people at a certain time to pimp out their sex slaves eitgh?" Its really amazing how I have yet to dimean the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) yet you continually insult the last and final messenger (pbuh).
YOUR BOOKS demean your false prophet. Instruction for pimping out sex slaves is what his phony "Allah" provided:
Surah 24:33...Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, IF they would preserve their chastity. and if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be forgiving, Merciful.
But IF they dont want to preserve their chastity then pimp em out and make some cash!
The "Glorious Quran" has a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras subject to abrogation.
The reason it can't be translated is that it is so unintelligible in the Arabic language that it defies translation.
All you did was confirm my assertion of memorization as directly opposed to understanding.
I understand EXACTLY who you have given your soul over to. You don't have to try to convince me as to how committed you are to him. Islam is antichrist.
"The reason it can't be translated is that it is so unintelligible in the Arabic language that it defies translation." You obviously dont know Arabic or the history of the Arabic language. If you did you would know that the highest form of literature in the Arabic language is the Quran. We get most of the knowledge we know in Arabic from the Quran. The way in which ALL MIGHTY GOD uses the Arabic language is nothing short of Miraculous. Yet, you make more false accusations. Nothing new from you
You only needed enter John 10:29 once. You're frustrated into spamming now because you find you follow the STAND ALONE religion of A SINGLE 6th century illiterate reprobate.
Just as God revealed Himself over a 1600 year record Jesus was manifest through his life as a man in the flesh and perfect example for all mankind, His death, and resurrection
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Not frustrated at all. By the way insulting the last and final messanger of GOD all mighty does not take away the fact that Jesus (pbuh) is clearly telling you that he is not GOD. "My Father, is greater than all;" john 10:29.
You're suggesting that the 1600 year record of God to mankind through all of the prophets and legions of witnesses through His Word, would be replaced by the PERFECT AND EXACT OPPOSITE in the 23 year record of recitations of A SINGLE, 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife stealing, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, bloody imperialistic conqueror. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.
Mohammed was the PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus. One must choose between the God of the Christians and Jews, or the one of Mohammed that curses the Christians and Jews.
CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS:
Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL UZAIR A SON OF GOD, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF GOD..... GODS CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
"Mohammed was the PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus." This is in the Gospel according to Mark, chapter 12: 2929-And Jesus answered him: The first commandment of all is: Hear, O Israel; the Lord your God is one God. The Glorious Quran in chapter 112 says after being translated to english: "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute" Now I dont know what your definition of opposite is but these seem ever so exact in any sane person's eyes. release that seal on your heart
It isn't about MY definition of OPPOSITE but as it is revealed through the Word of God:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...
Now Prophet Mohummad , according to your scripture is NOT a liar because the Qur'an which was revealed to Mohummad (pbuh) attests the miracles performed by Jesus the Messiah (pbuh). It also mentions one astonishing miracle performed by Jesus that the Gospel writers have not recorded (V:110). The Qur'an acknowledges that these miracles and signs were performed with the leave of Allah, by His righteous Servant and Messiah Jesus. The same is also attested in the Book of Acts 2:22; 3:13 (NASB).
"Now Prophet Mohummad , according to your scripture is NOT a liar...."
Here is what the scriptures say:
1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
You compounded your not believing God's record lie, with another lie falsifying the content of the scriptures.
Let it go. The only place you will find Mohammed there is in warnings about false prophets.
"1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON."
How long will you deny what is right in front of your eyes? Every muslim in the world believes in the person who is referred to as the "son of god" in this verse. We dont refer to him as such. Just as Isa ibn Maryam, Jesus son of Mary.
But God's Word DOES refer to Jesus as THE ONLY begotten Son of God. You deny that record of Jesus crucifixion. Therefore God made you a liar. Read it again.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!
I see ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with these GLORIOUS words of ALLAH (swt). Jesus proves witht the miracle of Jonah that he was not crucified and he never said he was "begotten" by ALLAH (swt)
Satan believes that Jesus is the Messiah too. But he hates the Son of God.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...
What did God make Mohammed and his followers?
1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
Its really astonishing how you munipulate verses to serve your outrageous agendas. You seem like a very knowledgable person, knowledgable enough to realize the truth compared to falsehood. Once again every single Muslim beleives that Jesus (pbuh) is the Messiah translated Christ. No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes that Jesus is the Christ.
Does that ever give you pause? You cast aspersions against the veracity of ALL of the confirming eye witnesses of Jesus, and God's 1600 year record, purely because of A SINGLE 6th century reprobate false prophet, who himself thought it was jinn in the cave.
Whose book is such an abrogated mess even he knew how future generations would view it.
A book and false prophet so random that in it's brief 23 year history a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation.
seriously mann your opinions just plain ass suck ¬_¬
you got your ass kicked by this video ..
so if you want some respect actually use the REAL scriptures to forward an argument and not just some lame opinion of your own that you probably picked up by googling ''fake arguments against Islam''
@mofo288 Deedat is a matter-of-fact proven liar, who even created his own phony bible verse, to convince his poor bible-ignorant dupes into believing Mohammed, and themselves, are not antichrist.
I expose Deedat's obvious deception in this video.
watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc
How is it that Naliakbar couldn't defend his deception in this video in the forum? Why don't you come defend the false prophet mohammed for him?
@92amethyst Then why don't you come show me how? Naliakbar failed miserably to do so. He only confirmed that this video is false and mine is true.
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Ahmed Deedat was a PROVEN lying, deceiving antichrist that even made up his own phony bible verse to deceive his poor bible-ignorant dupes into believing that Mohammed, and all Muslims, are not antichrist.
You are lying to suggest I ignored your questions as evidenced below.
But even as Jesus declares that He was before Abraham, is given ALL POWER is given, you choose to reject Him.
And you still refuse to answer two simple questions because you find the power of the spirit of antichrist irresistible, as you likely understand the ramifications of the answers, which are made obvious in the way I asked.
The exact same cowardice yoru false prophet displayed when people asked him questions.
Also I was wondering PeteWaldo since Jesus (pbuh) said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel." Matthew 15:24, How could he die for the sins of the world? Or be GOD for that matter. Are you incenuating that GOD is a racist? What happens to all of these Christians who are not of the lost sheep of Israel. NO, it was because GOD ALL MIGHTY sent Jesus (pbuh) to a specific people as he did every prophet. The final prophet being Mohammed(pbuh)who was sent to the whole of humanity.
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, but what happened?
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Resulting in a wonderful thing
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Without faith in His blood we die wallowing in our sins.
The term "trinity" is a doctrinal term likely coined by Constantine, as a convenient one-word way to describe the Godhead.
I avoid using the term when chatting with Muslims, because a Mulsim that came to Christ through my channel said it presented the last stumbling block for him.
The bible describes Jesus as a "manifestation" or revealing of God.
You explaining where the term "trinity" came from does not make up for the fact that this fundamental belief in christianity is not to be found in the bible.
It is very important to have the word bible in the bible. Since the word is not to found it only reassures that the bible is in no way shape or form an original scripture with no chance for dispute as to its truth. You give an in depth analysis of the word "bible" but you dont explain why on earth it has been edited so many times?
Why on earth would the term "bible" be in the bible? It is a term that describes what it IS.
"The word Bible is a literal translation of the Greek word biblos (inner bark of the papyrus plant). Many ancient writings were on rolls of papyrus from which comes the word "paper." Such a roll was called a biblion and contained only one book. The plural of biblion is biblia, which passed over into Latin as singular and came to mean Bible."
Many more than dozens of authors of the bible. That's the whole point. WITNESSES.
2Cr 13:1 ...In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
The Quran is the result of A SINGLE illiterate false prophet's demonic visitations in a cave. Even Mohammed knew it was jinn he met, as it strangled 3 times.
It was his wife that convinced him it wasn't jinn and she wasn't even present.
And of course the testimony of a single woman is worth jack squat in Islam.
If these are so called "WITNESSES" then why do they contradict each other so many ways? Why are there so many unfulfilled prophesies? Why is there so much pornograpic material in the bible? If Jesus (pbuh) died for the sins of the world, then are Christians put in jail? Why dont they go to court and claim Jesus (pbuh) died for my sins therefor I should be aquitted of murder. Logic + Reason = Truth not "witnesses" = truth
See how you take advantage of the absence of accountability? You make accusation against God Himself, without support, then run away from exactly that.
Go ahead and follow your SINGLE 7th century reprobate that was, and taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ.
Sadly the consequences are eternal:
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
Why do you suppose not a single Muslim has weighed in on that video?
Sorry, but you are antichrist, as was your false prophet..An inversion of right and wrong, good and evil.
Insulting me is not called for since I do not do so to you. lets be respectful at least. I already answered those two questions what are you talking about?
Calling you a coward was a simple matter of fact as you continue to demonstrate in the mold of your false prophet when it comes to answers.
Are you saying that Allah has a spirit in English, but does not have a spirit in Arabic?
I do understand the pickle you are in with the Arabic. Indeed the reason the Quran confounds translation is that it is so unintelligible and confused in the Arabic language, that it defies translation.
That's why Muslims memorize it instead of trying to understand it.
"That's why Muslims memorize it instead of trying to understand it." Lol, I find this a bi hypocritical. You comment of Muslims supposedly not understanding their book when Jesus (pbuh) tells you "My Father, is greater than all; "john 10:29 Yet you take him to be GOD. Jesus (pbuh) also tells you "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." John 5 :30 Yet you take him as your GOD.
Naliakbar was rewarded for his mischaracterizations in the chat forum.
I answered to his above poppycock in a numbered point by point here:
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At least he was man enough to stand up to an accountable format, unlike cowards like you that thrive in this 500 character rapidly revolving useless sound bite venue.
There's no point debating with you because you wont answer this question, Where in the bible does Jesus (pbuh) say "I am GOD" "Worship Me" "trinity" "bible". I'll wait...
How could answer when I didn't notice you ever asked? It's what Jesus was crucified for:
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:
John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 14:9 ...Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
Regarding your ridiculous understanding of "BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM", why did the Jews want to stone Him?
And didn't the sentence seem constructed strangely? "was" "am"?
That's because God's name YHWH translated into English means "I AM".
That's why Mohammed's/Satan's "allah" is a name of blasphemy.
Exd 3:13...they shall say to me, What [is] his name?...14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
No you understanding is based on your belief. Your being blinded. They wanted to stone him because they thought he claimed to be GOD. Then he repeated "YOU are the ones who say that I am" The jews wanted trouble. If Jesus (pbuh) was GOD he would have told them plainly as they asked.
The words translated as I am here are: ἐγώ εἰμί
Starting from John 10:23, "And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."
Indeed. Just as you are not of His sheep pma. Otherwise you wouldn't deny the record that God gave us.
So what did Jesus say after He was resurrected?
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and BREATHED INTO HIM SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding).
And:
2. Do you believe the Quran is the Word of Allah?
You can Yahoo it for Islamic websites if you have doubts. Simple yes or no answers would be fine.
1) The translation you give of surah 32:9 is worthless to me since it is in english. Learn arabic then holla at me.
2) I believe that the original Injeel (Gospel of Jesus (pbuh), the original Torat (Torah of Moses) and the Quran of Mohummad (pbuh) are all the original authorizations of ALL-MIGHTY GOD.
Jesus said in John 6, Before Abraham was, I am. He used the same phrase that you hear at the burning bush, The Self-existent One. And then if you read in John 1:1-3,14 it tells us that all things that were made were made by Him . Now if all things that were made were made by Him, then how could He be made?
How could the Creator be a creation? So its sometimes a mystery for people to understand that Jesus has always been in existence. He says in Revelation, Im the Alpha and the Omega,
Jesus didn't say what? It doesn't matter who said what to you, because a Mohammedan must necessarily reject ALL of the NT prophets, apostles and Jesus, for the 23 year record Mohammed gave you, inspired by his meeting with jinn in a cave.
Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Without His shed blood you will carry your sins to your grave my friend.
Im sorry because I cant speak on behalf of "mohammedans" because I dont know who they are. As for us MUSLIMS we dont believe Jesus (pbuh) died and surely not for the sins of the world because that would mean any child born after his alledged death would automatically go to heaven even if they sinned millions of times. Its a very irrational belief. we dont believe in "born with sin" because when you born you haven done a thing wrong. I want proof where Jesus (pbuh) says"I am GOD" or "Worship me"
God the Father so loved the world He sent God the Son, who died on our behalf; and thats portrayed in the Storacle of Abraham taking his son Isaac up the mountain.
God the Father didn't sent prophet muhammad,question who sent Him.?
As in your quran is wrotten: god giveth jesus his spirith. What is this mean? In its clearly meaning: I give somebody a part of my life, a part of my soul, something whats mine and i want it back. So if i cut one of your finger, will this pain you? I think yes. So it is ok to cut your finger? I don't think so, especially if you were god! That's why jesus is god and not only a prophet, he is the king of prophets! He is the prophet inside prophets body! Thats why the son of god is god, because the
Well my muslim friend i listened not all your speak, cause i know, i can feel your sadness. There are some people doen't understand what antichrist really means. Let me define well: Antichrist means: All Humans in this world, but also all witch jumped away from the belief to god, lets say as the Muslim say unbelievers, those are antichrist! I am a christian, but i understand you very well. Just the end of the speach i am refusing from you! I don't know whats your name, but is not important!
John 3:16 For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Sura 19:88 THEY SAY: (ALLAH) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 Indeed YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!
Matthew 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID..."WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus...BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM,..
No making fun. nali made false accusations throughout this video which we explored in the forum:
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.20
Christians know that Islam is no laughing matter. Islam is the OPPOSITE of Christianity, the Quran is the OPPOSITE of God's Word, and Muslims are the OPPOSITE of Christians.
Christians follow the 1600 year record God gave us through His prophets in His Holy Word. Mohammedans follow the 7th century 23 year record of Mohammed.
You deny ALL of the New Testament prophets and apostles and the blood that would save you. You deny the WHOLE SUBJECT of the NT which is this new covenant that brought salvation unto the Gentiles.
Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The Quran always the PERFECT OPPOSITE of the Word of God and Mohammed always the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ:
:
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them...FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-
thats what jews(of those times) made u stupid and most of of christian beleived it . ask any jew he would tell u crucification is myth. and alot of ur own christain know that. read ur bible if u dont wanna accept thats another fact but u know who wrote bible. there are few words of God word in it otherwise its fully written by pual, methew , or luke who even didnt see jesus in his life.
So it makes sense to instead follow A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.
what ever those words are but read Quran you would see difference. i dont know who the aurther is but see the book he has left. If Muhammad was dispure he would not have been given Quran. Allegations were made against jesus and his birth but jesus did not come answered those but infact Mohammad did. i do not know which history book you guys read bu those who have read him correctly loved him for example ghandi, goerge bernard shah, micheal hert , keren armstrong, thomas jefferson.
"....If Muhammad was dispure he would not have been given Quran."
Don't be silly. The Quran was Mohammed's device to get men to follow him.
Sexually enslaving women and stealing the property of others as doing God's service in this life and promises of a carnal heaven with running water, wine fruit, virgins and servant boys in the next.
Jim Jones shared the same talent. David Koresh too.
Mat 7:13 ...wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction...
PeteWaldo please stop your making yourself look bad. You said Prophet Mohummad (pbuh) was "illiterate" in a previous comment now you say the Quran is his device. So he was an illiterate man who just happened to right a book without one gramatical error. Please open your heart having it closed does not benefit you at all.
Mohammed traveled extensively with his uncle and in his sugar momma's business. No surprise that he picked up bits and pieces along the way that he eventually spun into distorted versions of Jewish fables and such.
The Quran is a confused, repetitive, antichrist rant. Like something one would expect of an illiterate.
Even after being collected up and burned on two occasions a whopping 71 out of 114 suras are subject to abrogation.
So this is what you resort to? Pure creation of historical scenarios to make up for a mistake you made in your other creation of historical scenarios? Your the perfect example on how to destroy your credibility. Since you make a claim that 71 out of 114 surahs are subject to abrogation im will assume that your a fluent in the arabic language and you have also studied the Quranic Arabic language extensively... (smh) Please.
Abrogation in the Quran is no secret friend. Even Mohammed knew what a mess he made over just 23 years:
Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
Arabic language book that attempts to sort out this mess is the Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh
Its not worth it. Your quoting mere futal attempts at translation of the GLORIOUS QURAN which is only in the ARABIC language. Go learn Arabic read and study the quran in arabic then talk about Islam. That is if you dont become Muslim in the process.
A Christian only needs TWO VERSES to know Islam is of Satan:
Surah 4.157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them....for of a surety they killed him not:-
Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. ...God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
i guess your hate is killing you . your media your allegeations of 50 years could not stop islam it growing three times. Like you used to say islam is spread by sword is also proven wrong. and your all efforts of lying would go 4 nothing you know that. so man get a life think some thing else. there were many like you and now are practicsing muslim better then muslim by birth.
I love Muslims. That's why my time is devoted to bringing you truth.
That Islam is spread by the sword is a matter of fact. What do you think the First Jihad was all about? Rape, pillage and plunder all the way up to France and Austria.
That's why Muslims that come to Jesus Christ are killed for "apostasy" today.
Try this:
AP - December 06, 2006 Mogadishu, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday
I've never been paid for doing the Lord's word. We repeat things because we keep getting presented with the same Muslim nonsense about Mohammed being something other than what your own books clearly show he was.
Or that Mohammed is in bible prophecy other than in the verses that discuss false prophets.
how can god give his revelations to a sinner(ur prophet){sura 33:38;40:56;47:21}
he was a murderer and a rapist
andrewmoses6 8 months ago
@ naliakbar
You totally misrepresented Romans 1:32. The term “apostate” refers to someone who leaves a particular religion. It does not refer to the practice of evil, which is the context of Romans 1:32. Those who practice evil, such as murder, are not leaving a particular religion per se. Romans 1:32, in context, is an opinion that murderers, etc. (Romans 1:29-30) “DESERVE” death. It clearly is not calling upon Christians to kill “apostates” or anyone for that matter. And you know it!
unical2 1 year ago
@unical2 how can god give his revelations to a sinner(ur prophet){sura 33:38;40:56;47:21}
he murdered a woman who was breastfeeding her child and he was a rapist too.
andrewmoses6 8 months ago
@andrewmoses6
Mohammad is not my prophet. He was a wicked man who was a murderer, rapist, slave owner, thief, warlord and no doubt a false prophet. Muslims like to ignore all the ahadith which makes it clear that Mohammad was wicked. And the Quran condones slavery and rape of slave women.
unical2 8 months ago
@unical2 sorry man i though u were naliakbar
andrewmoses6 8 months ago
@andrewmoses6
No problem.
unical2 8 months ago
No religion is perfect... WRONG.... For all man are sinners and imperfect... ONLY JESUS WAS PERFECT.
Produce the proof? Jesus is the proof.
jesus7es7dios7 1 year ago
Oh... So many people cover with white sheets. But even if the sheets are white, they do not exempt you from the truth.... Jesus is God.... and the Jews of the time wanted to kill him for that... Many nowadays hate christians. Dont you see? Satan has always tried to destroy anything that comes from God....
One day, when judgment comes, we will see the truth...
jesus7es7dios7 1 year ago
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hbk711x 1 year ago
@hbk711x
lolz do you have to lie, i guess you do because you beleive in Paul! lolz!
hbk711x 1 year ago
go bro! mahsaALLAH. may ALLAH swt give you more knowledge. and grant you pureness of heart and high levels in jannah. AMIN
ayahreflection 1 year ago
@ayahreflection Ameen, and may he make you of the companions in Jannah to the prophet(saW) in the highest levels of heaven Ameen.
naliakbar 1 year ago
ahahahaha the antichrist was mohamed lol and jews didnt follow th antichrist the antichrist didnt come yet this guy is a liar!
Thamafiaboy 1 year ago
@Thamafiaboy When a person is drowning in lies it becomes nearly impossible to seek out and find the truth. This isn't about myself or naliakbar. It's about the spirit of antichrist.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER....
So you see, Mohammed and all Muslims are antichrists as the most important fundamental of his phony 7th century religion.
PeteWaldo 1 year ago
@PeteWaldo I CUDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER YOUR AWESOME!!!! :)
Thamafiaboy 1 year ago
@PeteWaldo this is a pathetic claim and you full well know it, Christ means messiah in the original language and every muslim believes jesus to be the messiah and expects him back. from the understanding that jesus is the son of god just as david is the son of god no muslim denies that, the problem is you cliam that jesus is god which is what we deny. so we are not anti christ, (anti the messiah) we are for him and are impatiently waiting for his return.
naliakbar 1 year ago
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@naliakbar You must have missed this part
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER....
PeteWaldo 1 year ago
@naliakbar Whose claim?
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE.
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.
PeteWaldo 1 year ago
@PeteWaldo your claim obviously because you dont accept what you say. you say because Jesus says "I and my father are one" makes them one... ok fine lets accept that for a second, jesus also said: John 17:22-23 - "....that they(the deciples) may be one AS WE ARE one...", so my question is why are you not worshiping the deciples as god? because jesus said to god to make them one as he is one with god, now watch your response, see you will not accept what you just started to say.
naliakbar 1 year ago
@naliakbar It isn't about what I say. That was pure scripture. Try a little context nali.
Next verse John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for blasphemy for claiming He was God.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:
Wanted to stone Him again.
John 17 The word "AS" indicates they are LIKE one.
Because Jesus' spirit is in us. We in He and He in us.
PeteWaldo 1 year ago
@PeteWaldo why you talk about context and then stop there? if you continue reading John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods?
so do you believe that the jews are god and you worship them as you worship jesus? because that is the context.
as for John 8:58 what if what jesus said was "Before Abraham was GOD(I AM reference from the story of moses)" and not refering to himself as being before abraham, an you notice it is not before adam?
naliakbar 1 year ago
@naliakbar It isn't a claim of MINE my friend.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER....
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=611.0
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
Do you believe God's record?
PeteWaldo 1 year ago
@PeteWaldo All i know is Jesus peace be upon ihm prayed lika amuslim 26:29 oof MAthew, In GEn so did Abraham and Moses. Jesus said teh spirit of truth would come when he leaves, the holy spirit was already there when he was born, Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him came. Son is a figure os speech like when DAvid peace be pon him was "begotten"
peace b upon them,
hbk711x 1 year ago
brotherjw 10 months ago
@brotherjw says the one that prays for cross?!! and you saying us Sabians? no comment xD
realwerewolf 9 months ago
@brotherjw
Story of old Egypt trinity Rah represents Sun worship of a father a son and I think a mom, who was born 12/25, on the alinement of stars, was crucified and resurrected after 3 days, predicted by 3 kings.
He is blind in 1 eye, sign of the Antichrist in Islam, this is why the $ bill NWO sign has 1 eye above the pyramid of Egypt. Satan sermons on sunrise and set.
X-tians pray on the Sun-day, pagan + satanic links are clear.
Jesus peace be upon him is Muslim innocent of the trinity.
hbk711x 9 months ago
@brotherjw
Does modern day Christanity have a base
/watch?v=627UD5NQUFM
ISlam is a revival of teh RELigion of Adam, NOah an dAbraham peace and blessings be upon them and the antural religion.
watch?v=PA2N2Iz5ExM
Don't christians quotes of there tainted books and repeat them when they pray too, hypocrite of teh open and edit religion X-ity.
hbk711x 9 months ago
assalam wa alicum very well put my brother
sheikbashar 1 year ago
Masha-Allah brother I am proud to have such people as Muslim brothers ..
just wanted to quickly quote .. ROMANS 8:14 - ''For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS OF GOD''
mofo288 1 year ago
1 john 2:22 - He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
quran sura 19:88 - god had no son
note the following
quran sura 5:72 says un believer's are they that believe jesus is god
quran sura 8:12 cut that un believer's head off
revelation 20:4 people beheaded for believing in jesus as lord
vampirehunter33 1 year ago
@vampirehunter33
Okay "Vampire" Its very easy to pick lines and interpret them how you feel.
Your reading out of context. Surah 8:12 is referring to the idol worshippers of Mecca who travelled to Madina to fight the Prophet (PBUH). During battle Allah said where you see the unbeliever behead them.
The next line says if they desist guide them to safety and do not transgress.
Tell me what army captain would tell you guide the enemy to safety?
Your bible says the same thing GO READ BIBLE.
UmraoJaanLover 1 year ago
@vampirehunter33
Did Jesus (pbuh) say that verse .. or did someone else who had wrote 1 John 2:22 had decided to write the book a few decades after his ascension .. obviously someone else had wrote claiming he had said it
mofo288 1 year ago
@vampirehunter33 that commandment in quran sura 8:12 is only allowed when the Muslims are at war against the unbelievers. Next time, read the whole context...
92amethyst 1 year ago
MASHA ALLAH VERY GOOD WORK !
np33123 2 years ago
The lies and deception against God and myself in naliakbar's video above, were discussed point by point in a subsequent conversation I had with naliakbar, in the forum at this link (copy and paste and remove the spaces from after the dots)
Don't be shy. Come join us.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=32.60
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
thank bro because some christian pretending knowlegable of the koran but it reality they always say lies about the koran...
that is very clear explaination..
salaam
artshop1321 2 years ago
There is no God but Allah, He is One & Only, He has no part, he has no partner, Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is salve of Almighty Allah, He is Last messenger of Almighty Allah, He was a True Spirit from Almighty Allah.
Allah is the Only One True God.
Muslims believe that Eesa Maseeh s/o Meryem (PBUH) has been come in Flesh, He was a True Prophet of Almighty Allah.
While Jews Lie that he has not come yet............
FahadisaNiceBoy 2 years ago
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And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God (1-John C#4,V#2 , KJV)
FahadisaNiceBoy 2 years ago
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And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God
FahadisaNiceBoy 2 years ago
in KJV is written : And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God (1-John C#4, V#2 , KJV)
FahadisaNiceBoy 2 years ago
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1-John C#4, V#2-3 , KJV)
FahadisaNiceBoy 2 years ago
Here's a picture of a 53 year old splashing in the bath with his 9 year old "wife":
bukhari (6:298) Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
That's the guy you bet your eternity on.
Enjoy the chicken:
watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Matthew 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Those are Jesus words as recorded by eye witnesses. Not as denied 500 years later by A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
"You're suggesting that God would reveal Himself "
Stop attributing qualities to the Messiah (pbuh) that he NEVER claimed! Its not beneficial to you. At all. Plus you claim people saw Jesus (pbuh) and he is god so people looked at god? When they CANT EVEN LOOK AT THE SUN!?!?!?! "Preposterous"!!!
pmally08 2 years ago
Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself THE SON OF GOD.
But you deny ALL the prophets and apostles and the whole subject of the new covenant to follow A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping thief.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:
John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Declaring His divinity and being the Son of God is why He was crucified.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
haha, you used these like 4 pages ago i refuted them, you ignored it, then quoted them again. Im done goodbye
pmally08 2 years ago
Also, every Muslim believes in the original record that was given to Isa ibn Maryam (pbuh) which was the Injeel (Gospel). Unfortunately it has been lost, but it was only for a specific people at a specific time. It was not meant for thebulk of humanity. Like Jesus (pbuh) said he was only sent to the children of Israel. The Quran was revealed for every human being until doomsday.
pmally08 2 years ago
Over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of Gods Word were penned prior to 300AD, in virtually every language that was known to man, that were read all over the known world.
To suggest it was tampered with would require that scribes from Syria, Babylonia, Galatia, Asia, India, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Tarshish and Macedonia - to name a few - all made the same mistake, at the same time, for the same doctrinal purpose.
A preposterous notion.
watch?v=6R2Zp7T5XlA
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Lol, do you know that all of these manuscripts you speakof, no 2 are alike!!!
pmally08 2 years ago
Jesus was sent to the children of Israel.
What happened?
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Result:
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.
But you reject the new covenant that brought salvation to Gentiles like you and I.
Without His blood we die wallowing in our sins.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
There is not proof as to the validity of the idea that Jesus (pbuh) died. Actually your bible teaches that resurrected bodies will be spiritualized. Not physical. Jesus (pbuh) also said this. I also say this. Im sure you would also. So what is the signifigance of jesus (pbuh) visiting his disciples after his alleged death in the upper room and telling them to behold his hands and feet, and they asking for food and eating it in their very sight. Do ressureted bodies eat? No.
pmally08 2 years ago
So if your going to talk about not understand your Holy Book, you must look in the mirror first. "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." John 5:30. Jesus (pbuh) is SUBMITTING HIS WILL TO GOD ALL MIGHTY. The definiton of a Muslim is ONE WHO SUBMITS HIS/HER WILL TO GOD ALL MIGHTY. connect the dots. understand your book.
pmally08 2 years ago
Christians and Jews are submitted to of God.
Muslims are deluded by Satan into believing they are, even as they worship the opposite.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
Proof texting a verse or two out of God's Word, and conforming it to your misunderstanding won't change that.
Islam is antichrist. God made Mohammed a liar:
1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
And pma you will remain a coward because you still refuse the accountability that the forum offers. You thrive on this 500 character, rapidly disappearing, comment roll over.
Why not put on your big boy pants and come show everyone how wrong God's Word is?
How about I copy and paste our conversation here, into there, for openers?
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.0
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
I am not a coward Petewaldo just because I dont want to debate with you on a larger scale. I squeeze in these comment between class and soccer so time is of the essance. I have a great respect for you opinion and notice i have not insulted Jesus (pbuh) the way you insult Mohummad (pbuh). I am only doing this to help resolve your misconceptions about prophet mohammed (pbuh) and Jesus son of mary (pbuh)
pmally08 2 years ago
Your argument is backwards. A comment can lay dormant in the forum for weeks and be picked up where it left off. It is a smaller, but MORE ACCOUNTABLE scale.
The reason you can't insult Jesus is there is no opportunity to. That's the beautiful thing about walking in the truth.
What do your books say about Mohammed? He was a pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic conquering, thief.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
The reason I don't insult Jesus (pbuh) is because the Glorious Holy Quran does not teach us to defile others. Especially not prophets. Yet you not only defile curse and disrespect others but a respected prophet of GOD. Now WHAT WOULD JESUS (pbuh) who you call your GOD say about your actions? hmmm... hypocrit? i think so.
pmally08 2 years ago
I hate the things that God hates. Conspicuously false prophets like Mohammed that was, and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ, are on that list.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
Mohammed was a prophet of Satan.
Even he declared that it was jinn that he met in the cave, until his wife talked him out of it.
Jesus gave you no opportunity to insult Him as He was manifest as the only perfect human example in the history of mankind.
Mohammed - the PERFECT OPPOSITE - ANTICHRIST.
watch?v=w71CtxLdjio
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Let's explore Mohammed's book a little. I can understand how a 6th century reprobate that followed Mohammed into rape, pillage, plunder and sexual enslavement could believe heaven is about relief from cold desert cold and blistering days, rivers of wine and chickens to eat served by perpetually young boys, with multiple virgins to defile on gold encrusted and bejeweled couches.
But don't you 21st century Muslims find Mohammed's preposterously carnal heaven a bit embarrassing?
watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Again, listen closely. You cannot make any comment pertaining to the Glorious Quran until you become fluent in reading and writing the Arabic language. Every translation of the Quran that you and I could read in any other language are futile attempts to capture the essance of the text. I promise you with every bit of my soul PeteWaldo if you learn the language, then recite the Quran, things would make much more sense.
pmally08 2 years ago
The "glorious" record of A SINGLE 7th century reprobate speaks eloquently for itself:
Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
Demonstrating that even Mohammed knew how he would be perceived by successive generations by the mess he made of his, only, 23 year record.
Recitation, like mediataion, are satan's playground.
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=116.0
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
"Demonstrating that even Mohammed knew how he would be perceived by successive generations by the mess he made of his, only, 23 year record." Actually quite to the contrary, you see every prophet was accepted by some, rejected by others. So the ones that would call him a forger would not be accepting the message. Like you my brother Petewaldo, you call him many names and things so you reject him.
pmally08 2 years ago
But Mohammed was saying he knew he would be viewed as a forger BECAUSE of the EXTENSIVE ABROGATION over just the 23 year record of his self-serving recitations:
Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
Would be comical if not so tragic.
Not abrogated.... just.... substituted!!!.... for something.... better!!!!..... or... er... similar!!!
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
The verse you quote from the Quran i is reference to the scriptures before the Quran. All of which WERE MEANT FOR A SPECIFIC PEOPLE FOR A SPECIFIC TIME. The ORIGINAL Injeel (gospel), Torat (torah), Zabur ( Worship Book used in Solomon's temple in Jerusalem). EVERY SINGLE REVELATION WAS SENT FOR A SPECIFIC TIME FOR A SPECIFIC PEOPLE AND NO LONGER EXIST TODAY! That is why the last and final revelation is brought for all humanity and the last and final messenger is Prophet Mohummad (pbuh).
pmally08 2 years ago
So then allah only wanted a few people at a certain time to pimp out their sex slaves eitgh?
Heaven's sakes, marriage is sex slavery in Islam
The revelat6ion of God is divided into two covenants.
The Quran is not. That's why Muslims still pimp out sex slaves today.
You're suggesting that God would reveal Himself over 1600 years through ALL the prophets and apostles, and then turn around 500 years after the fact and give us the EXACT OPPOSITE through Mohammed. Preposterous.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
"So then allah only wanted a few people at a certain time to pimp out their sex slaves eitgh?" Its really amazing how I have yet to dimean the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) yet you continually insult the last and final messenger (pbuh).
pmally08 2 years ago
YOUR BOOKS demean your false prophet. Instruction for pimping out sex slaves is what his phony "Allah" provided:
Surah 24:33...Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, IF they would preserve their chastity. and if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be forgiving, Merciful.
But IF they dont want to preserve their chastity then pimp em out and make some cash!
And even IF you force them Allah will forgive!
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
The "Glorious Quran" has a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras subject to abrogation.
The reason it can't be translated is that it is so unintelligible in the Arabic language that it defies translation.
All you did was confirm my assertion of memorization as directly opposed to understanding.
I understand EXACTLY who you have given your soul over to. You don't have to try to convince me as to how committed you are to him. Islam is antichrist.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
"The reason it can't be translated is that it is so unintelligible in the Arabic language that it defies translation." You obviously dont know Arabic or the history of the Arabic language. If you did you would know that the highest form of literature in the Arabic language is the Quran. We get most of the knowledge we know in Arabic from the Quran. The way in which ALL MIGHTY GOD uses the Arabic language is nothing short of Miraculous. Yet, you make more false accusations. Nothing new from you
pmally08 2 years ago
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
My Father, is greater than all; john 10:29.
pmally08 2 years ago
You only needed enter John 10:29 once. You're frustrated into spamming now because you find you follow the STAND ALONE religion of A SINGLE 6th century illiterate reprobate.
Just as God revealed Himself over a 1600 year record Jesus was manifest through his life as a man in the flesh and perfect example for all mankind, His death, and resurrection
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
beholdthebeast. com/islam_the_opposite. htm
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Not frustrated at all. By the way insulting the last and final messanger of GOD all mighty does not take away the fact that Jesus (pbuh) is clearly telling you that he is not GOD. "My Father, is greater than all;" john 10:29.
pmally08 2 years ago
You're suggesting that the 1600 year record of God to mankind through all of the prophets and legions of witnesses through His Word, would be replaced by the PERFECT AND EXACT OPPOSITE in the 23 year record of recitations of A SINGLE, 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife stealing, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, bloody imperialistic conqueror. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Mohammed was the PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus. One must choose between the God of the Christians and Jews, or the one of Mohammed that curses the Christians and Jews.
CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS:
Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL UZAIR A SON OF GOD, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF GOD..... GODS CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
"Mohammed was the PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus." This is in the Gospel according to Mark, chapter 12: 2929-And Jesus answered him: The first commandment of all is: Hear, O Israel; the Lord your God is one God. The Glorious Quran in chapter 112 says after being translated to english: "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute" Now I dont know what your definition of opposite is but these seem ever so exact in any sane person's eyes. release that seal on your heart
pmally08 2 years ago
It isn't about MY definition of OPPOSITE but as it is revealed through the Word of God:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Now Prophet Mohummad , according to your scripture is NOT a liar because the Qur'an which was revealed to Mohummad (pbuh) attests the miracles performed by Jesus the Messiah (pbuh). It also mentions one astonishing miracle performed by Jesus that the Gospel writers have not recorded (V:110). The Qur'an acknowledges that these miracles and signs were performed with the leave of Allah, by His righteous Servant and Messiah Jesus. The same is also attested in the Book of Acts 2:22; 3:13 (NASB).
pmally08 2 years ago
"Now Prophet Mohummad , according to your scripture is NOT a liar...."
Here is what the scriptures say:
1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
You compounded your not believing God's record lie, with another lie falsifying the content of the scriptures.
Let it go. The only place you will find Mohammed there is in warnings about false prophets.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
"1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON."
How long will you deny what is right in front of your eyes? Every muslim in the world believes in the person who is referred to as the "son of god" in this verse. We dont refer to him as such. Just as Isa ibn Maryam, Jesus son of Mary.
pmally08 2 years ago
But God's Word DOES refer to Jesus as THE ONLY begotten Son of God. You deny that record of Jesus crucifixion. Therefore God made you a liar. Read it again.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
I see ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with these GLORIOUS words of ALLAH (swt). Jesus proves witht the miracle of Jonah that he was not crucified and he never said he was "begotten" by ALLAH (swt)
pmally08 2 years ago
Every Muslims in the world believes that Jesus (pbuh) was the Messiah, translated Christ, How long will you fight truth with falsehood?
pmally08 2 years ago
Satan believes that Jesus is the Messiah too. But he hates the Son of God.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...
What did God make Mohammed and his followers?
1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Its really astonishing how you munipulate verses to serve your outrageous agendas. You seem like a very knowledgable person, knowledgable enough to realize the truth compared to falsehood. Once again every single Muslim beleives that Jesus (pbuh) is the Messiah translated Christ. No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes that Jesus is the Christ.
pmally08 2 years ago
Those verses are copy and pasted, not "manipulated". You simply observed that Mohammedanism is the EXACT OPPOSITE of Christianity.
beholdthebeast. com/islam_the_opposite. htm
No accident.
Inspired by a jealous fallen angel.
The most important fundamental in Islam requires you to deny that Jesus is the Son of God.
The PERFECT OPPOSITE of the Word of God.
You are an antichrist as the verse clearly states. Sad but true. Worse than that, you deny the blood that would save you.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Once again where does Jesus (pbuh) say that he would die on the cross for the sins of the world and his blood would save us? lol come oooonnnn
pmally08 2 years ago
Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
You can lol yourself all the way to perdition following the STAND ALONE religion of A SINGLE false prophet that WAS and taught the PERFECT OPPOSITE.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
Forever is a very long time my friend.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
beholdthebeast. com/islam_the_opposite. htm
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
"Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins."
Umm can you read? I said Jesus (pbuh) said not no named ononamous books of no integrity.
pmally08 2 years ago
Does that ever give you pause? You cast aspersions against the veracity of ALL of the confirming eye witnesses of Jesus, and God's 1600 year record, purely because of A SINGLE 6th century reprobate false prophet, who himself thought it was jinn in the cave.
Whose book is such an abrogated mess even he knew how future generations would view it.
A book and false prophet so random that in it's brief 23 year history a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation.
watch?v=6Kox5XNuyb8
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
@PeteWaldo
seriously mann your opinions just plain ass suck ¬_¬
you got your ass kicked by this video ..
so if you want some respect actually use the REAL scriptures to forward an argument and not just some lame opinion of your own that you probably picked up by googling ''fake arguments against Islam''
mofo288 1 year ago
@mofo288 Deedat is a matter-of-fact proven liar, who even created his own phony bible verse, to convince his poor bible-ignorant dupes into believing Mohammed, and themselves, are not antichrist.
I expose Deedat's obvious deception in this video.
watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc
How is it that Naliakbar couldn't defend his deception in this video in the forum? Why don't you come defend the false prophet mohammed for him?
Simply remove the spaces from after the dots.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=32.80
PeteWaldo 1 year ago
@PeteWaldo i think you are the most obvious liar...
92amethyst 1 year ago
@92amethyst Then why don't you come show me how? Naliakbar failed miserably to do so. He only confirmed that this video is false and mine is true.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=32.80
Ahmed Deedat was a PROVEN lying, deceiving antichrist that even made up his own phony bible verse to deceive his poor bible-ignorant dupes into believing that Mohammed, and all Muslims, are not antichrist.
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=335.0
PeteWaldo 1 year ago
But you can't even answer two simple questions, can you pma?
1. Do you believe Allah has a spirit?
2. Do you believe the Quran is the Word of Allah?
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
Your telling me I cant answer two simple questions yet you ignore the questions i've asked you Petewaldo.
Where in the bible does jesus (pbuh) give an acravocal statement saying "I am GOD" or "Worship Me as GOD"?
Just for fun where in the bible are the words "bible" or "trinity"? Dont worry I'll wait.
pmally08 2 years ago
You are lying to suggest I ignored your questions as evidenced below.
But even as Jesus declares that He was before Abraham, is given ALL POWER is given, you choose to reject Him.
And you still refuse to answer two simple questions because you find the power of the spirit of antichrist irresistible, as you likely understand the ramifications of the answers, which are made obvious in the way I asked.
The exact same cowardice yoru false prophet displayed when people asked him questions.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Also I was wondering PeteWaldo since Jesus (pbuh) said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel." Matthew 15:24, How could he die for the sins of the world? Or be GOD for that matter. Are you incenuating that GOD is a racist? What happens to all of these Christians who are not of the lost sheep of Israel. NO, it was because GOD ALL MIGHTY sent Jesus (pbuh) to a specific people as he did every prophet. The final prophet being Mohammed(pbuh)who was sent to the whole of humanity.
pmally08 2 years ago
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, but what happened?
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Resulting in a wonderful thing
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
islamandthetruth. com
Why did God send Jesus?
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
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Here's why God manifest Himself Jesus:
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Without faith in His blood we die wallowing in our sins.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
The term "trinity" is a doctrinal term likely coined by Constantine, as a convenient one-word way to describe the Godhead.
I avoid using the term when chatting with Muslims, because a Mulsim that came to Christ through my channel said it presented the last stumbling block for him.
The bible describes Jesus as a "manifestation" or revealing of God.
A way He chose to show Himself to us.
God's Spirit is another manifestation.
watch?v=GZvFvObWF7I
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
You explaining where the term "trinity" came from does not make up for the fact that this fundamental belief in christianity is not to be found in the bible.
It is very important to have the word bible in the bible. Since the word is not to found it only reassures that the bible is in no way shape or form an original scripture with no chance for dispute as to its truth. You give an in depth analysis of the word "bible" but you dont explain why on earth it has been edited so many times?
pmally08 2 years ago
Why on earth would the term "bible" be in the bible? It is a term that describes what it IS.
"The word Bible is a literal translation of the Greek word biblos (inner bark of the papyrus plant). Many ancient writings were on rolls of papyrus from which comes the word "paper." Such a roll was called a biblion and contained only one book. The plural of biblion is biblia, which passed over into Latin as singular and came to mean Bible."
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
1 version of the Quran> 100s of Versions of the Bible
1 author of the Quran> Dozens of authors of the bible
1 indisputable point of veiw as to the stories being told in the Quran> dozens of highly contradictoral point of veiws in the bible.
GOD ALL MIGHTY is the only one speaking in the Quran> GOD ALL MIGHTY is found speaking rarely in the bible.
pmally08 2 years ago
Many more than dozens of authors of the bible. That's the whole point. WITNESSES.
2Cr 13:1 ...In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
The Quran is the result of A SINGLE illiterate false prophet's demonic visitations in a cave. Even Mohammed knew it was jinn he met, as it strangled 3 times.
It was his wife that convinced him it wasn't jinn and she wasn't even present.
And of course the testimony of a single woman is worth jack squat in Islam.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
If these are so called "WITNESSES" then why do they contradict each other so many ways? Why are there so many unfulfilled prophesies? Why is there so much pornograpic material in the bible? If Jesus (pbuh) died for the sins of the world, then are Christians put in jail? Why dont they go to court and claim Jesus (pbuh) died for my sins therefor I should be aquitted of murder. Logic + Reason = Truth not "witnesses" = truth
pmally08 2 years ago
See how you take advantage of the absence of accountability? You make accusation against God Himself, without support, then run away from exactly that.
Go ahead and follow your SINGLE 7th century reprobate that was, and taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ.
Sadly the consequences are eternal:
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
Why do you suppose not a single Muslim has weighed in on that video?
Sorry, but you are antichrist, as was your false prophet..An inversion of right and wrong, good and evil.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
OK. Now your turn:
1. Do you believe Allah has a spirit?
2. Do you believe the Quran is the Word of Allah?
Don't worry I'll wait.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
Insulting me is not called for since I do not do so to you. lets be respectful at least. I already answered those two questions what are you talking about?
pmally08 2 years ago
Calling you a coward was a simple matter of fact as you continue to demonstrate in the mold of your false prophet when it comes to answers.
Are you saying that Allah has a spirit in English, but does not have a spirit in Arabic?
I do understand the pickle you are in with the Arabic. Indeed the reason the Quran confounds translation is that it is so unintelligible and confused in the Arabic language, that it defies translation.
That's why Muslims memorize it instead of trying to understand it.
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
"That's why Muslims memorize it instead of trying to understand it." Lol, I find this a bi hypocritical. You comment of Muslims supposedly not understanding their book when Jesus (pbuh) tells you "My Father, is greater than all; "john 10:29 Yet you take him to be GOD. Jesus (pbuh) also tells you "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." John 5 :30 Yet you take him as your GOD.
pmally08 2 years ago
Great answer, Petewaldo, is pathetic with his petty arguments.
mademan4life 3 years ago
Jazak'ALLAH khair ya naliakbar. You will be rewarded insha'ALLAH.
pmally08 3 years ago
Naliakbar was rewarded for his mischaracterizations in the chat forum.
I answered to his above poppycock in a numbered point by point here:
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.80
At least he was man enough to stand up to an accountable format, unlike cowards like you that thrive in this 500 character rapidly revolving useless sound bite venue.
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
There's no point debating with you because you wont answer this question, Where in the bible does Jesus (pbuh) say "I am GOD" "Worship Me" "trinity" "bible". I'll wait...
pmally08 3 years ago
How could answer when I didn't notice you ever asked? It's what Jesus was crucified for:
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:
John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 14:9 ...Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
1) "BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM" he's simply stating that he is a prophet and mighty messanger of GOD like Abraham (pbuh)
2)lol I see ou quote John 10:30 withou tquoting the verses following in context nice try.
pmally08 3 years ago
Regarding your ridiculous understanding of "BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM", why did the Jews want to stone Him?
And didn't the sentence seem constructed strangely? "was" "am"?
That's because God's name YHWH translated into English means "I AM".
That's why Mohammed's/Satan's "allah" is a name of blasphemy.
Exd 3:13...they shall say to me, What [is] his name?...14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
No you understanding is based on your belief. Your being blinded. They wanted to stone him because they thought he claimed to be GOD. Then he repeated "YOU are the ones who say that I am" The jews wanted trouble. If Jesus (pbuh) was GOD he would have told them plainly as they asked.
The words translated as I am here are: ἐγώ εἰμί
in hebrew
Transliterated as: egō eimi
Pronounced as: eg-o' i-mee'
Where do you find the tetragrammatin YHWH?
Your only fooling yourself
pmally08 2 years ago
Starting from John 10:23, "And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
pmally08 3 years ago
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."
pmally08 3 years ago
Indeed. And that word "one" is neuter gender in the Koine Greek meaning of one essence.
Declaring Himself ONE with God is of course why the Jews wanted to stone Him.
Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
Indeed. Just as you are not of His sheep pma. Otherwise you wouldn't deny the record that God gave us.
So what did Jesus say after He was resurrected?
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
Now let me ask you pmally08.
1. Do you believe God has a Spirit?
Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and BREATHED INTO HIM SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding).
And:
2. Do you believe the Quran is the Word of Allah?
You can Yahoo it for Islamic websites if you have doubts. Simple yes or no answers would be fine.
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
1) The translation you give of surah 32:9 is worthless to me since it is in english. Learn arabic then holla at me.
2) I believe that the original Injeel (Gospel of Jesus (pbuh), the original Torat (Torah of Moses) and the Quran of Mohummad (pbuh) are all the original authorizations of ALL-MIGHTY GOD.
pmally08 3 years ago
See how I answered your question but you couldn't answer two simple yes or no questions?
Satan is the father of lies my friend.
That's also why you are too much of a coward to join me in the forum. Lies cannot stand the light of truth.
So then Mohammed's phony god allah doesn't have a spirit in Arabic, but does in English?
His phony book IS NOT the Word of allah?
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
Jesus said in John 6, Before Abraham was, I am. He used the same phrase that you hear at the burning bush, The Self-existent One. And then if you read in John 1:1-3,14 it tells us that all things that were made were made by Him . Now if all things that were made were made by Him, then how could He be made?
How could the Creator be a creation? So its sometimes a mystery for people to understand that Jesus has always been in existence. He says in Revelation, Im the Alpha and the Omega,
aloyblue 3 years ago
Jesus did not say this. This was a dream where Paul DREAMED Jesus said that.
pmally08 3 years ago
Jesus didn't say what? It doesn't matter who said what to you, because a Mohammedan must necessarily reject ALL of the NT prophets, apostles and Jesus, for the 23 year record Mohammed gave you, inspired by his meeting with jinn in a cave.
Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Without His shed blood you will carry your sins to your grave my friend.
Forever is a very long time.
beholdthebeast. com/islam_the_opposite. htm
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
Im sorry because I cant speak on behalf of "mohammedans" because I dont know who they are. As for us MUSLIMS we dont believe Jesus (pbuh) died and surely not for the sins of the world because that would mean any child born after his alledged death would automatically go to heaven even if they sinned millions of times. Its a very irrational belief. we dont believe in "born with sin" because when you born you haven done a thing wrong. I want proof where Jesus (pbuh) says"I am GOD" or "Worship me"
pmally08 3 years ago
God the Father so loved the world He sent God the Son, who died on our behalf; and thats portrayed in the Storacle of Abraham taking his son Isaac up the mountain.
God the Father didn't sent prophet muhammad,question who sent Him.?
the father of lies(satan)
aloyblue 3 years ago
haha. proof?
pmally08 3 years ago
this brother talks sense and is logical
FRUITTU8E 3 years ago
spirith of god whas inside him, inside Jesus Christ, and we call him Holy Ghost, peace.
Ahridium777 3 years ago
As in your quran is wrotten: god giveth jesus his spirith. What is this mean? In its clearly meaning: I give somebody a part of my life, a part of my soul, something whats mine and i want it back. So if i cut one of your finger, will this pain you? I think yes. So it is ok to cut your finger? I don't think so, especially if you were god! That's why jesus is god and not only a prophet, he is the king of prophets! He is the prophet inside prophets body! Thats why the son of god is god, because the
Ahridium777 3 years ago
Well my muslim friend i listened not all your speak, cause i know, i can feel your sadness. There are some people doen't understand what antichrist really means. Let me define well: Antichrist means: All Humans in this world, but also all witch jumped away from the belief to god, lets say as the Muslim say unbelievers, those are antichrist! I am a christian, but i understand you very well. Just the end of the speach i am refusing from you! I don't know whats your name, but is not important!
Ahridium777 3 years ago
hey man, listen to urself. there is so much anger in u.
close ur book, take the hat off, and relax.
if u cant do that, u can never understand what the real god is trying to tell u.
nikjey 3 years ago
Hey nikjey,
As he requested, naliakbar and I discussed the video above - POINT-BY-POINT - here:
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.40
Deedat created his own bible verse to delude Muslims into believing they are not antichrist.
His fraud is exposed in brief here:
watch?v=eYcDZM8Hmg0
brotherjw 3 years ago
Still pete nikjey. (two channels petewaldo - how we got here, and brotherjw discusses consequences)
Deedat even suggested the preposterous notion that the First Epistle of John offered him support!
Do you think nalikbar ever read it?
Here is a copy and paste of 1John from the same version (KJV) that Deedat pretended to quote from.
Hey nail, why not read it for yourself and see if you agree with Deedat?
islamandthetruth. com/first_epistle_john. htm
brotherjw 3 years ago
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Quran, EXACT OPPOSITE:
John 3:16 For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Sura 19:88 THEY SAY: (ALLAH) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 Indeed YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!
Matthew 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID..."WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus...BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM,..
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
No making fun. nali made false accusations throughout this video which we explored in the forum:
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.20
Christians know that Islam is no laughing matter. Islam is the OPPOSITE of Christianity, the Quran is the OPPOSITE of God's Word, and Muslims are the OPPOSITE of Christians.
Christians follow the 1600 year record God gave us through His prophets in His Holy Word. Mohammedans follow the 7th century 23 year record of Mohammed.
Nothing funny about perdition.
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
OPPOSITES
Christians confess the Son of God.
The most important fundamental in Islam includes denying the Son of God.
watch?v=EmbvtuW4ZFE
Christians sins are washed by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Muslims deny the very blood that would save them.
Nothing funny about eternity in hell.
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
we deny him to be the son of god, we dont deny jesus.
FRUITTU8E 3 years ago
You deny ALL of the New Testament prophets and apostles and the blood that would save you. You deny the WHOLE SUBJECT of the NT which is this new covenant that brought salvation unto the Gentiles.
Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION.
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The Quran always the PERFECT OPPOSITE of the Word of God and Mohammed always the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ:
:
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them...FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
thats what jews(of those times) made u stupid and most of of christian beleived it . ask any jew he would tell u crucification is myth. and alot of ur own christain know that. read ur bible if u dont wanna accept thats another fact but u know who wrote bible. there are few words of God word in it otherwise its fully written by pual, methew , or luke who even didnt see jesus in his life.
SANVAL786 3 years ago
So it makes sense to instead follow A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
God may have blinded some Jews.
GENTILE Muslims are naked - without excuse.
watch?v=HOLVFwGd1no
And Mohammed's heaven?
watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY
A chicken in every pot!
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
what ever those words are but read Quran you would see difference. i dont know who the aurther is but see the book he has left. If Muhammad was dispure he would not have been given Quran. Allegations were made against jesus and his birth but jesus did not come answered those but infact Mohammad did. i do not know which history book you guys read bu those who have read him correctly loved him for example ghandi, goerge bernard shah, micheal hert , keren armstrong, thomas jefferson.
SANVAL786 3 years ago
"....If Muhammad was dispure he would not have been given Quran."
Don't be silly. The Quran was Mohammed's device to get men to follow him.
Sexually enslaving women and stealing the property of others as doing God's service in this life and promises of a carnal heaven with running water, wine fruit, virgins and servant boys in the next.
Jim Jones shared the same talent. David Koresh too.
Mat 7:13 ...wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction...
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
PeteWaldo please stop your making yourself look bad. You said Prophet Mohummad (pbuh) was "illiterate" in a previous comment now you say the Quran is his device. So he was an illiterate man who just happened to right a book without one gramatical error. Please open your heart having it closed does not benefit you at all.
pmally08 3 years ago
Mohammed traveled extensively with his uncle and in his sugar momma's business. No surprise that he picked up bits and pieces along the way that he eventually spun into distorted versions of Jewish fables and such.
The Quran is a confused, repetitive, antichrist rant. Like something one would expect of an illiterate.
Even after being collected up and burned on two occasions a whopping 71 out of 114 suras are subject to abrogation.
EXACT OPPOSITE of the record God gave us.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
So this is what you resort to? Pure creation of historical scenarios to make up for a mistake you made in your other creation of historical scenarios? Your the perfect example on how to destroy your credibility. Since you make a claim that 71 out of 114 surahs are subject to abrogation im will assume that your a fluent in the arabic language and you have also studied the Quranic Arabic language extensively... (smh) Please.
pmally08 3 years ago
Resort to? Ah, you mean resort to the truth.
Abrogation in the Quran is no secret friend. Even Mohammed knew what a mess he made over just 23 years:
Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
Arabic language book that attempts to sort out this mess is the Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh
Let's discuss it where we have some space:
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=116.0
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
Its not worth it. Your quoting mere futal attempts at translation of the GLORIOUS QURAN which is only in the ARABIC language. Go learn Arabic read and study the quran in arabic then talk about Islam. That is if you dont become Muslim in the process.
pmally08 3 years ago
A Christian only needs TWO VERSES to know Islam is of Satan:
Surah 4.157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them....for of a surety they killed him not:-
Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. ...God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
The PERFECT OPPOSITE of Christianity.
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
i guess your hate is killing you . your media your allegeations of 50 years could not stop islam it growing three times. Like you used to say islam is spread by sword is also proven wrong. and your all efforts of lying would go 4 nothing you know that. so man get a life think some thing else. there were many like you and now are practicsing muslim better then muslim by birth.
SANVAL786 3 years ago
I love Muslims. That's why my time is devoted to bringing you truth.
That Islam is spread by the sword is a matter of fact. What do you think the First Jihad was all about? Rape, pillage and plunder all the way up to France and Austria.
That's why Muslims that come to Jesus Christ are killed for "apostasy" today.
Try this:
AP - December 06, 2006 Mogadishu, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday
PeteWaldo 3 years ago
How much are they paying you to keep repeating the same crap over and over?
ahanash 3 years ago
I've never been paid for doing the Lord's word. We repeat things because we keep getting presented with the same Muslim nonsense about Mohammed being something other than what your own books clearly show he was.
Or that Mohammed is in bible prophecy other than in the verses that discuss false prophets.
PeteWaldo 3 years ago