@Psystarcraft Getting tunnelclaws for the roaches can pay off and having the hydras in the back with the roaches balled in front of them to absorb and dish out some damage. When he forcefielded that group a crucial part of your hydras were stuck and of course getting a few infestors instead of flying units can help, fungal growths on such a tightly stacked ball really pay off.
@ColdSword816P its a technique used alot by players such as Destiny (formerly of ROOT). It prevents any sort of blocking off of the ramp by pylons or some shenanigans like that. If you watch Day9 daily 326 i believe, Destiny explains it more in detail.
when i play against protoss, i usually early nydus with hydra ling, devastating. Have to do before colossus though, since lings soak all gateway unit dmg and hydras machine gun the fuck out of them. Nydus also makes up for hydras slow speed. :D
The reason why you lost that battle at 11:30 is that your army moved too much. Like you said before: moving+focus= trading overall dps for a better strategic placement. Those forcefields were too much in addition to your colossifocus. The math behind this is incredible dynamic, since the dps of your and your opponents army is at its highest apex at the start, and rapidly falling until the end. Only seconds or a some more units have a HUGE IMPACT on the outcome. Very counterintuitive thing.
Whitera is beast. Like you said he's better than you and has more experience. I think you over committed to your attacks, and whitera knew this so he just waited for you to atk. His pro micro helped him win aswell.
You kept attacking through that little hole into whitera's army. Protoss benefits greatly from being in a tight ball, whereas Zerg, really need that concave. Seems like while you're setting up half your stuff dies
I think the mistake is attacking the Protoss ball directly, Zerg can only match that mix with late game heavy units (Ultralisk + Brood Lords + Corruptors). You should've used mobility against the slow P mix (Collosi - slow units, no Zealot speed, no Stalker blink), zergling run-by or Nydus play after he established the gold could have been devastating.
That was a pretty good game.. I give you props for actually casting a game that u lost... You won't see a lot of people doing that.. Good work for actually hanging in there for that long.. :)
on the battle at 11:13 im not even sure you had that great of an army advantage. even though he had less units, those 3 colossi are devastating to a roach hydra army, and plus since you spent most of your time focusing the colossi down, the rest of his units were getting free shots on you.
the attack at the upper left, when you focused the colossi, you should have taken out the sentries first. Focus down the one-two that are using guardian shield, the rest usually waste energy on force fields. If you'd done that you would have won that battle hands down
For that one confusing fight, I think he blocked off his collosi surprisingly well with his zealots. You had to go all the way around to the south-west flank just to hit them.
It was mainly the forcefield funnel, the bottom half of your army wasn't doing any dps while it moved into position (off creep), but by the time you established what would have been a sexy-ass concave, the whole right side of it had been wiped out. Still, congrats on holding your own this long against WhiteRa.
Obviously played a little off this game PsY, if you lasted 17 minutes against one of the worlds best protoss players whilst playing bad. I can't imagine how amazing the rematch would be. Hoping to see more WhiteRa videos. Keep the videos comming brah.
Also, the reason i skip roaches is because Stalkers do +armored damage to them and if zealots get up close (which usually happens when army sizes are too big to micro) then they are out DPS'd. Lings can hold zealots back, keeping your hydras safe if only for a few seconds, and have better DPS vs stalkers. The only catch to this composition is it's weak vs good forcefields and in the mid to late game weak vs high templars.
I'm not a high level player but a strat that has been working for me is going speedlings and hydras vs protoss. The speedlings help me gain map control early on and hydras beat early gateway units if they don't force field. Plus, you can always expect toss to either go colossus or templars to counter you. I usually have 5 corrupters out before they get their first colossus. I'm not sure how to deal with high templars though.
the deciding factor was the missed timing attack with pure hydra
Once collosus come out with a sizeable gateway support, even one collosus, it completely destroys a pure hydra composition
If I go heavy on hydra I always make sure to make a timing attack before collosus can come out. I bring speed overlords to put creep along a lane, and do as much damage as possible while getting spire (in case I need it)
Also, an overseer would've helped immensely to swat obs as well as scout his Col timing
Psy, if you watch alot of whitera games you'll see that he is always very early on 1 attack for his stalkers and it benefits him TONS. That's why you lost that, the colossi made you focus them and thus his upgraded stalkers will kill you fast.
Roach/ hydra is not good vs sentry clossi. I think you should have tried to get out higher tech units earlier. I think you should have distracted whitera and engage his gold when he is scrambling.
Good game there. I'm a master legue zerg 400 points lower then whitera... but hope this helps.
Attack number 1- too many hydras, u needed more roaches.
Getting corrupors that late is not that effective. Corruptors are good at sniping colossi out and keeping the numbers low, once he has enough collosi i rather go for neural parasite.
I think maybe you allowed him to choose the fights a bit too much - both where and when... admitted, it's hard as a zerg to take the decisions but maybe using something that would force him to move - e.g. mass infested terrans or broodlords. Also, the ling runby was excellent - if you'd done that more maybe his army wouldn't have been able to stay so clumbed up together allowing you to get more smaller engagements which is where zerg really shine... or slime... whatever...
@TR41nWR3K Good job guys, keep reading comments before watching the video! Is it overly difficult to watch a 15 minute video before reading comments that you already know will have spoilers because you see it in every other comment section?
@silent744 Dear sir, at the current time of "TR41nWR3k's" post the highest rated comment was a "spoiler" so his post was merely to suggest that people stop rating up "spoiling comments". Good day kind sir.
I think if you went speed borrow roaches before hydras and pressured him you could have done a lot better, but biggest mistake was probably the late spire. In the engagement on your gold he had good forcefields but if you had some corruptors you could have easily taken out his forces. But I think that you already know where you can improve. Overall very nice play!!
"There's no overseer out here", whilst there was one on the screen. I was almost screaming at you to kill it. Regardless, you played really well to fight on that long; well played, good game.
Looking at the game as much as is possible without being able to download it and watch it in SC2....I'd say it was mostly just a matter of 2 things that lost you that one battle.
1. Positioning favored him, he had a larger concave area, you were attacking out of a choke.
2. The forcefields while not perfect still cut a pretty sizeable chunk of your army out of the battle for a while.
Other then that he obviously just was a little better with macro then you were.
well. the timing push of the protoss with 2 colossus is also annoying me. by that time, zerg don't thave their hive tech. they may have some currupters, but the number of the currupters is usually small. roach+hydra composition is not going to win colossus+stalkers composition if both sides microed properly. i have to confess i lose most games to the protoss like that.
You already said yourself why you lost. No spire at the sight of colosy or even robotics facility. Also the oversear could have been used more effectivly atleast killing the observers.
I am very surprised you managed to hold it out that long vs possibly worlds best. You normally never see him losing his first 1 or 2 stalkers. But i am guessing he was dining at the same time and pretty much underestimated you.
But why the attack in the end? you could have gone 2 way making a flank attack...
Right off the bat you lasted 17 mins against one of the world's best - and you're not even full time pro, devoting a lot of time to casting...that in itself is testimony to your fantastic zerg skills. secondly well played overall even though you lost.
@iamscythe Psy played well, but lasting 17 minutes even against a semi godly player like whitera isn't that big a deal... hell, I'm willing to bet I could turtle and last 30.
The first battle was lost due to FF's the stalkers got 2-3 hits before the roaches and hydras could even fire.
The second battle was just over... you lost due to that... No 4th, and also no macro hatch. The extra hatch is needed for replacing the army faster... When toss has enough gates to match how quickly you produce units that's a problem... Even if you can't use the extra hatch when it's a mass money game like that I like it for the emergency larva to defend if my attack fails miserably
Psy, your style of play has a tendency to focus on one location in your attacks...I saw your spire up...maybe you could have used a few mutas to harass his expo to distract him
The mistake of the battle was having your spines doing nothing. If they were closer they could have been sniping the lots while the hydra's went sentry/coll. Just me 2C
@un00bLee WhiteRa engineered it that way. He picking away at the creep tumors and taunting PsY off his creep. He needed to focus less on creep play and more on multi-encounter attacks like harassing the probe line with baneling drops while simultaneously poking at WhiteRa's army.
@zergmeisterstarcraft Yeah if Toss goes ONLY gateways. have fun trying to kill death ball with collussi.. also you cant go hydra, corruptor effectively because it wont have good resource relocation. better combination is roach corruptors into broods. I sure hope not im trying to argue with some scrub toss in silver that just 4 gates every game.
Corruptors would have made a big difference to this game, such would an overseer also. Your play looked a bit nerves compared to your usual games. One thing I do think you do wrong is, that I feel you overcommit to roaches often. I think you should try to mix up your army more.. roach/hydra aint really the baller to the army you engaged, as I said, maybe with a few corruptors it might be decent, even zerglings to take up attention for the toss army so your roaches/hydras could get in a good spot
use overlord creep spread more man... your loosing units under them in your main so just make a path around like the outside of the map to help out your hydras
But it was close, because you have good micro and roaches arent worthless against colosos like hydras are (off creep you can kyte them with the colosi ^^), and you had a bigger force, but what maybe helped also to make the difference besides the good constant stream of fresh supply was maybe that you killed the weakest colosos as the last one, so it could be 2 or 3 less slashes, if you would killed it first.
I am a bit between asking for a nerv for forcefields and saying it is ok like this. Colosos are 2.5 or 3.0 units so trying to match it with 1.5 (roaches) and 2.0 units (hydras) off of creep is not the best idea. And with forcefields and shields it´s ok to win, on this situation forcefields was not overpowered but I saw other battles where some forcefields made such big difference that someone wins with 1/3 armee against someone with it. Thats a bit overpowered.
you lost the battle because of those force fields and b/c of whitera's positioning. His forces were in a ball so all of his forces could attack and his zealots could run out and attack. It took your roaches and some hydras 2-3 seconds before they even started attacking. Dont feel bad though, lasting 20 min against whitera is pro status.
you lost the battle because of those force fields and b/c of whitera's positioning. His forces were in a ball so all of his forces could attack and his zealots could run out and attack. It took your roaches and some hydras 2-3 seconds before they even started attacking. Dont feel bad though, lasting 15 min against whitera is pro status.
I think that first battle shows that the balance still needs some work. You had a bigger army with better upgrades and engaged and lost , to me that is insanity. Running off 3 base , 1 being a gold I think you should have dropped a 4th hatch. You were talking about his money being high but yours was equally high at points, and just based off larva production you can fund 4 Hatches off 3base 1 being gold. Your 4th expo could have been early as well. If not for mining just for the larva.
All your battles were off of creep, WhiteRa ALWAYS engaged at the edge of your creep, which seemed to slow down your roaches surrounding in the second battle.
so PsY, in that battle, I really think it was those sentries. The guardian shield covered every single unit, and those force fields let him fight one half of your army at a time. You had to funnel in through that small choke, and you walked right past the zealots to try to kill the collosus. You might have done better if you had burrow, and sniped that observer.
There is a simple and effective way to go observer-hunting which is very helpful (and not only because you can use burrow-micro vs the P-ball). Corrupters and Overseers have about the same speed, as you build up enough corrupters to battle the collossi, have them patrol or attackmove over your bases and your army together with an overseer. It really helps and he probably wont build new ones in a jiffy.
Agoth really sentries nerfed Protoss does not need be changed they have half the possible units that each other race has n not to mention toss has no early game harass options like Terran and Zerg. Dts take to long when Zerg can ling rush n Terran can reaper hellion harass all p has is cannon rush Terran can also emp all toss shields. Toss needs whole new tech trees to deal with units where Terran has so many options
I think you just get out-played man. He even macro better than you. He is a monster. I think you should have try the muta game to force him to defend his main and the natural because colusus> hydras
i think your biggest mistake was staying equal based with the protoss. you could have easily defended a 3rd hatch at the back expansion earlier in the game right when you knew he was FE-ing to his natural. especially because he lost his two stalkers, you should have focused on your 3rd as well as droning up rather than spending your larvae on the lings. by the time whitera put up his gold expansion, you could have easily out-macroed him.
I think you should have gotten the corruptors earlier and you should also consider getting out a few broodlords, as the broodlings tank quite well and can counter the tanking zealots.
um. imo i think u lost because in that 2nd battle with his 23 units and your 33 units u should of aimed the weakest collosus out of the 3, the one with 13 or so hp first? u aimed that one down last and the battle may of changed much quicker into your favour
I only watched it once, but I'm pretty confident the reason you lost that battle was because of how you right clicked the collosi while your roaches were so out of range. I was watching the roaches just walking around trying to get in range of the collisi while they could've been doing huge DPS to the gateway units, and roaches don't die that fast to collosi anyway.
IMO, Psy you had poor army control. You were outexpanded as zerg.. that's never good (which you know). Also you never scouted.. if he went a few DT's that could have really messed you up considering how late you got the overseer. Those observers damn near won the game for WhiteRa. He could see everything you did because you didn't detect them.. imagine if those were DT's that went into your main. Not bad overall.. Not your best game. Seemed a little nervous.
In the battle near your gold expo, I think the main reason you lost was because of the force fields. You and whitera's armies were almost even to start with, but when he put those force fields down several of your hydras and roaches were blocked off and/or forced to run around. Plus the hydras that did manage to get by were up a bit too close to the front, so they quickly got slaughtered by the protoss ball.
Whitera had good micro on his colossus which put him ahead. The observer made that he knew what you were capable off and just had the right units while taking his 4th and even 5th before you. That last attack was very poor and again excellent position by whitera with his colossi but he was already way ahead at that point so it didn't matter too much anymore.
In short better scouting, micro, macro (eventually) and better decision making. That's what makes him such a strong player. Well played
you could have taken the high yield cuz one colo was not doing that much agenst your roach army if you had just 1aed at them you would have crushed them im pretty sure
To be honest I think you would have won the fight if you just A-moved your roaches
Not only are roaches much tougher against colossus than Hydralisks (reducing the need to focus fire them) but they also have a lot less range, the time they take to walk around maneuvering the force fields, then positioning themselves in range to shoot the colossus (that are behind) basicaly ensures that half the fight you are not even killing anything.
Anyway these are just 2 cents from one very worse then you
i think for that fight you were talking about not everything was firing and zealots are surprisingly very very good against hydras off the creep. those force fields divided your army and a good amount of your hydras weren't attacking.
hydras very high dps makes it important that they are always attacking
psy starcraft seems very noob, no offense but why would he attack a maxed army head on into a protoss (or terran) army..that is horrible micro, he really needs to learn how to attack with zerg(zerg units are the fastest so there is no excuse for not flanking on every battle, and if the protoss is attacking you, simply counter his expansions because zerg should always have more bases)
I'm a noob, but I've seen WhiteRa consistently do the world's best. When you say "Oh, he beat my micro and macro" you pretty well say he's just the king of domination. WTF can you do? I have already missed the boat to this level of play. WhiteRa may lose one game against you, but I haven't seen him lose a series. Is he the World Champion yet? The guy is a freak at this game. As a noob, I cannot fathom this level of play from both guys, but how does WhiteRa demolish across the world? :P
@CTuxford He doesn't... He demolishes Europe and most North Americans, but he's only mid-level in Korean play. Europe and North America don't really have the caliber players to compete with a guy as good as him, but yeah...
On a different note, PsY needed to get (obviously) a roach warren first, and then maybe even (this is a bit unusual, but can be effective against that particular build) some banelings, which, with upgrades, can take out zealots and sentries very effectively.
@mangyangghos He caned TLO in their match quite convincingly. Isn't he a Korean? To think, TLO smashed Boxer in their game. They are all freakin' scary players!!!
@mangyangghos Top level Korean is only a little better than most top EU and NA players...>_> The biggest divide in skill is among the non-pro's. Non-pro Koreans are still good, while most non-pro EU and NA's are utter shit.
Deciding factor around 11:00 --> No good surround on your part. Attacking the toss ball from one direction as zerg (not sure if you could have done much about that). Very good game. Really eyojed it. You did mention the mistakes on both parts, but personally I think that is just how real SC2 battles go. You WILL make mistakes sooner or later. Just that those were pretty high level mistakes. Thanks for sharing!
I think you could have done a lot better in the 11:00 battle if you moved back to get him in range of your spines. You were so close to doing it for so long and I was just yelling in my head for you to move back a few steps.
In the battle near your gold, you should just move back whit your roach for 10-15 sec to reinforce. RA joust singe target your roaches and they died before the next 3-4 come along. 6-8 are more effective then 3-4.
psy, u did not lose that game becuz of any engagement but rather u stayed on 2 bases 2 long, and quite frankly hydras r horrible.....if all those hydras were roaches with another +1 or +2 upgrade u would of won tht engagement by a landslide, the glass cannons arent worth it
I feel bad for thinking protoss is the strongest race. Maybe I just watch your casts too much :/.... your loss came down to decision making though. You threw away a lot of units early on. And even though you had that sweeeet ling harass afterward, it was kind of like you were catching up. You made a mistake twice i
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LyndeCantwell343 2 months ago
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Wijrobloxian 3 months ago
"yea u can see im getting about 4 lings"
*gets 8 lings...*
ThePwnerdude 4 months ago
@Psystarcraft Getting tunnelclaws for the roaches can pay off and having the hydras in the back with the roaches balled in front of them to absorb and dish out some damage. When he forcefielded that group a crucial part of your hydras were stuck and of course getting a few infestors instead of flying units can help, fungal growths on such a tightly stacked ball really pay off.
rocksparadox 7 months ago
only thing is dude what was with that fail drone patrol
ColdSword816P 8 months ago
@ColdSword816P its a technique used alot by players such as Destiny (formerly of ROOT). It prevents any sort of blocking off of the ramp by pylons or some shenanigans like that. If you watch Day9 daily 326 i believe, Destiny explains it more in detail.
DyeAlabaster 7 months ago
@psystarcraft
when i play against protoss, i usually early nydus with hydra ling, devastating. Have to do before colossus though, since lings soak all gateway unit dmg and hydras machine gun the fuck out of them. Nydus also makes up for hydras slow speed. :D
nerdra1 9 months ago
I knew you could do it, Psy:)
ArchiPepper 9 months ago
The reason why you lost that battle at 11:30 is that your army moved too much. Like you said before: moving+focus= trading overall dps for a better strategic placement. Those forcefields were too much in addition to your colossifocus. The math behind this is incredible dynamic, since the dps of your and your opponents army is at its highest apex at the start, and rapidly falling until the end. Only seconds or a some more units have a HUGE IMPACT on the outcome. Very counterintuitive thing.
yosoy1loco 1 year ago
i'm sure someone has noticed this already but 13:04 there is an overseer at the top left of the screen when you say no overseers out XD
Fiarzen 1 year ago
"There's no overseers out here" uhh yeah there is. One at the corner of the tab he just dropped a changeling ._.
nejtack1 1 year ago
Whitera is beast. Like you said he's better than you and has more experience. I think you over committed to your attacks, and whitera knew this so he just waited for you to atk. His pro micro helped him win aswell.
Aquahal93 1 year ago
reasons you lost that battle. There was 1 colossus that was not getting focused down that 1/2'd your army. Check it.
Edoe1 1 year ago
Psy, I really wish you had won WhiteRa, because you are equally good!
Wenyang0407 1 year ago
You kept attacking through that little hole into whitera's army. Protoss benefits greatly from being in a tight ball, whereas Zerg, really need that concave. Seems like while you're setting up half your stuff dies
omudan 1 year ago
I think the mistake is attacking the Protoss ball directly, Zerg can only match that mix with late game heavy units (Ultralisk + Brood Lords + Corruptors). You should've used mobility against the slow P mix (Collosi - slow units, no Zealot speed, no Stalker blink), zergling run-by or Nydus play after he established the gold could have been devastating.
razvanfatu 1 year ago
lol with the p its whiterap.... :D
TheSoNation 1 year ago
That was a pretty good game.. I give you props for actually casting a game that u lost... You won't see a lot of people doing that.. Good work for actually hanging in there for that long.. :)
mesmerizedhartt 1 year ago 3
on the battle at 11:13 im not even sure you had that great of an army advantage. even though he had less units, those 3 colossi are devastating to a roach hydra army, and plus since you spent most of your time focusing the colossi down, the rest of his units were getting free shots on you.
wondubread 1 year ago
@wondubread His forcefields actually made quite a difference as well.
Deviantial 1 year ago
the attack at the upper left, when you focused the colossi, you should have taken out the sentries first. Focus down the one-two that are using guardian shield, the rest usually waste energy on force fields. If you'd done that you would have won that battle hands down
Zampakto06 1 year ago
White RaP vs ZPsY
ilikehashdoyou 1 year ago
Can you please play on some 4 player maps? You are my favourite caster but every single match up seems to be on Xel Naga Caverns :(
mrbrightsidegonedark 1 year ago
More queens. 4 creep per time, it expands much faster. Also inject larva in extra hatchs, so faster rebuild army.
Too many lings, I would had chosen early roaches.
2 chambers, ranged and defense upgrades at same time always.
At that stage I would wait and go for tier 3. Broodlords are always annoying.
kennethlaroski 1 year ago
@MrJonnyRamone Guy said "one day psy will face Idra", just letting him know that he already has, i know who is in the video.
Squirif11 1 year ago
You'll get him next time :)
pochbarone 1 year ago
For that one confusing fight, I think he blocked off his collosi surprisingly well with his zealots. You had to go all the way around to the south-west flank just to hit them.
drlowensteinphd 1 year ago
i think zerg should always be up an expansion on T and P and even then zerg wouldn't auto win
guy2j 1 year ago
It was mainly the forcefield funnel, the bottom half of your army wasn't doing any dps while it moved into position (off creep), but by the time you established what would have been a sexy-ass concave, the whole right side of it had been wiped out. Still, congrats on holding your own this long against WhiteRa.
gregjs81 1 year ago
Obviously played a little off this game PsY, if you lasted 17 minutes against one of the worlds best protoss players whilst playing bad. I can't imagine how amazing the rematch would be. Hoping to see more WhiteRa videos. Keep the videos comming brah.
vintagegodz 1 year ago
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nonoxynol 1 year ago
in battle about 15 min of game you should have spire and make 4 corruptors
klaudiaczech 1 year ago
I love big boobs too!
kroggwaff 1 year ago 61
Also, the reason i skip roaches is because Stalkers do +armored damage to them and if zealots get up close (which usually happens when army sizes are too big to micro) then they are out DPS'd. Lings can hold zealots back, keeping your hydras safe if only for a few seconds, and have better DPS vs stalkers. The only catch to this composition is it's weak vs good forcefields and in the mid to late game weak vs high templars.
RedHilariousComments 1 year ago
I'm not a high level player but a strat that has been working for me is going speedlings and hydras vs protoss. The speedlings help me gain map control early on and hydras beat early gateway units if they don't force field. Plus, you can always expect toss to either go colossus or templars to counter you. I usually have 5 corrupters out before they get their first colossus. I'm not sure how to deal with high templars though.
RedHilariousComments 1 year ago
the deciding factor was the missed timing attack with pure hydra
Once collosus come out with a sizeable gateway support, even one collosus, it completely destroys a pure hydra composition
If I go heavy on hydra I always make sure to make a timing attack before collosus can come out. I bring speed overlords to put creep along a lane, and do as much damage as possible while getting spire (in case I need it)
Also, an overseer would've helped immensely to swat obs as well as scout his Col timing
Aixrotciv 1 year ago
Psy, if you watch alot of whitera games you'll see that he is always very early on 1 attack for his stalkers and it benefits him TONS. That's why you lost that, the colossi made you focus them and thus his upgraded stalkers will kill you fast.
juzzif 1 year ago
i also love big boobs
Insertcoinhere88 1 year ago 3
Roach/ hydra is not good vs sentry clossi. I think you should have tried to get out higher tech units earlier. I think you should have distracted whitera and engage his gold when he is scrambling.
jinzonam1 1 year ago
psy i love u
junsuk77 1 year ago
Good game there. I'm a master legue zerg 400 points lower then whitera... but hope this helps.
Attack number 1- too many hydras, u needed more roaches.
Getting corrupors that late is not that effective. Corruptors are good at sniping colossi out and keeping the numbers low, once he has enough collosi i rather go for neural parasite.
stefanstalex 1 year ago 5
I think maybe you allowed him to choose the fights a bit too much - both where and when... admitted, it's hard as a zerg to take the decisions but maybe using something that would force him to move - e.g. mass infested terrans or broodlords. Also, the ling runby was excellent - if you'd done that more maybe his army wouldn't have been able to stay so clumbed up together allowing you to get more smaller engagements which is where zerg really shine... or slime... whatever...
superpronker 1 year ago 2
Loved that vid and I also now know that you like Big Boobs.
I also like Big Boobs.
TheJawlin 1 year ago
You had a better economy,, u should've gone for brood lords... maybe
Maurinovsky 1 year ago
I like the way you talk about your gameplay like it's a game you haven't yet played, but somehow is still you.
Watch Psy in "A cast from the past" tonight on [insert TV-network here]
moffe247 1 year ago
Green zerg looks awesome
moffe247 1 year ago
this guy (whitera) manages to pwn TLO so it was a VERY decent play from you, Psy
MupakJl 1 year ago
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OlDordc 1 year ago
And I love big boobs. Haha!
st3ev3 1 year ago
Good job guys, keep voting spoilers up.
TR41nWR3K 1 year ago 88
@TR41nWR3K though your comment was 4 days ago... just wanna say that who needs spoiler when we all know who will obviously win.
sorry PsY.
wharfreek 1 year ago
@TR41nWR3K Good job guys, keep reading comments before watching the video! Is it overly difficult to watch a 15 minute video before reading comments that you already know will have spoilers because you see it in every other comment section?
silent744 1 year ago
@silent744 Dear sir, at the current time of "TR41nWR3k's" post the highest rated comment was a "spoiler" so his post was merely to suggest that people stop rating up "spoiling comments". Good day kind sir.
moosemaster666 1 year ago
I think if you went speed borrow roaches before hydras and pressured him you could have done a lot better, but biggest mistake was probably the late spire. In the engagement on your gold he had good forcefields but if you had some corruptors you could have easily taken out his forces. But I think that you already know where you can improve. Overall very nice play!!
uniquelypinoy 1 year ago
"There's no overseer out here", whilst there was one on the screen. I was almost screaming at you to kill it. Regardless, you played really well to fight on that long; well played, good game.
Insane1385 1 year ago
Infestors good.
Y U NO INFESTORS!?!
But seriously, maybe you could have mind controlled some Colossi or something (BTW I suck as Zerg, so I really have no idea).
Revan392 1 year ago
Wow, you held your own pretty well against one of the best protosses (plural?!)
sanethoughtspreader 1 year ago
Looking at the game as much as is possible without being able to download it and watch it in SC2....I'd say it was mostly just a matter of 2 things that lost you that one battle.
1. Positioning favored him, he had a larger concave area, you were attacking out of a choke.
2. The forcefields while not perfect still cut a pretty sizeable chunk of your army out of the battle for a while.
Other then that he obviously just was a little better with macro then you were.
NerskiSC 1 year ago
well. the timing push of the protoss with 2 colossus is also annoying me. by that time, zerg don't thave their hive tech. they may have some currupters, but the number of the currupters is usually small. roach+hydra composition is not going to win colossus+stalkers composition if both sides microed properly. i have to confess i lose most games to the protoss like that.
mannyxu 1 year ago
You already said yourself why you lost. No spire at the sight of colosy or even robotics facility. Also the oversear could have been used more effectivly atleast killing the observers.
I am very surprised you managed to hold it out that long vs possibly worlds best. You normally never see him losing his first 1 or 2 stalkers. But i am guessing he was dining at the same time and pretty much underestimated you.
But why the attack in the end? you could have gone 2 way making a flank attack...
madmenyo 1 year ago
I love all these people telling 1 of 8 US players invited to a pro tourney how to play. Cracks me up.
mrsarcastic1988 1 year ago
@mrsarcastic1988 He asked viewers to comment on what he should have done so obviously everyone would be telling him how he should have played....
pur3f0rag3 1 year ago
I think you should have got that spire out quicker, Muta's are very effective against protoss ground units in largish numbers as well as void rays.
TheJurieb 1 year ago
Right off the bat you lasted 17 mins against one of the world's best - and you're not even full time pro, devoting a lot of time to casting...that in itself is testimony to your fantastic zerg skills. secondly well played overall even though you lost.
iamscythe 1 year ago 10
@iamscythe Psy played well, but lasting 17 minutes even against a semi godly player like whitera isn't that big a deal... hell, I'm willing to bet I could turtle and last 30.
callingallHeroes 1 year ago
humbs b4 watching. srsly whiteload vs you is awesome^^
riotgage 1 year ago
at 12:10, you went roach hydra vs colossus... i think that point it was gg.
ticklishmusic 1 year ago
+1 carapace finishes just as your army is completely wiped out. That's unfortunate.
FatOscar0 1 year ago
The first battle was lost due to FF's the stalkers got 2-3 hits before the roaches and hydras could even fire.
The second battle was just over... you lost due to that... No 4th, and also no macro hatch. The extra hatch is needed for replacing the army faster... When toss has enough gates to match how quickly you produce units that's a problem... Even if you can't use the extra hatch when it's a mass money game like that I like it for the emergency larva to defend if my attack fails miserably
zazzn 1 year ago
Is that World of Warcraft music in the background? Maybe I'm just retarded, but it's the first time I've noticed that music. Oh well.
Madmech94 1 year ago
You should build the spire!
ehecutor 1 year ago
Psy, your style of play has a tendency to focus on one location in your attacks...I saw your spire up...maybe you could have used a few mutas to harass his expo to distract him
swapw 1 year ago
NANIWA ^^ SOCKE ^^ MANA ^^ Nazgul ^^ ... there are so many good nonkorean protoss!but ur right, white-ra is best.
but talkin about the trust found of white ra,.. at this time u got 2k ....^^
daikirainayume 1 year ago
NANIWA ^^ SOCKE ^^ MANA ^^ Nazgul ^^ ... there are so many good nonkorean protoss!
daikirainayume 1 year ago
Also where were the banelings? You could have ez dropped the main on either side.
un00bLee 1 year ago
The mistake of the battle was having your spines doing nothing. If they were closer they could have been sniping the lots while the hydra's went sentry/coll. Just me 2C
un00bLee 1 year ago
@un00bLee WhiteRa engineered it that way. He picking away at the creep tumors and taunting PsY off his creep. He needed to focus less on creep play and more on multi-encounter attacks like harassing the probe line with baneling drops while simultaneously poking at WhiteRa's army.
MrEM4N 1 year ago
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un00bLee 1 year ago
You made some mistakes..
1) Not running your lings directly into his main; spending time on his stalkers
2) That second battle when you lost your extractor... not falling back to your spines.
3) Last battle, moving in off-creep @_@
4) Didn't kill any observers... he was sniping your tumors the whole time.
5) Getting your spire too late.
Blaneblaneman 1 year ago
@Blaneblaneman white ra had senties so he could have blocked off his ramp so the lings could not get into the main
hrawlings951 1 year ago
@zergmeisterstarcraft Yeah if Toss goes ONLY gateways. have fun trying to kill death ball with collussi.. also you cant go hydra, corruptor effectively because it wont have good resource relocation. better combination is roach corruptors into broods. I sure hope not im trying to argue with some scrub toss in silver that just 4 gates every game.
SaviorTOP 1 year ago
too many roaches and too few hydra/corruptors. you could have also gotten some infestors to deal with the colosi
Dethaun 1 year ago
why u have ur spines when u dont use them!?!?!
Cengiz159 1 year ago
Duckload is some Ukrainian file sharing site.
julianthegiraffe 1 year ago
@julianthegiraffe its horrible too btw lol =x
klumzyee 1 year ago
Hey Psy.. why don't you do the drone trick?
Or is the difference so small it doesn't really matter
Chldrnofbodm 1 year ago
did i misread the tile? ohh, ok psy i didnt
MrEpic100 1 year ago 2
I saw the title. I jizzed.
rendros88 1 year ago
Factor was alive colossus who shot down lots of units, that lucky 7 HP Bastard.
Also, you should have been smarter and not burrow all SpineCrawlers on right spot
Zeracool 1 year ago
Factor was alive colossus who shot down lots of units, that lucky 7 HP Bastard
Zeracool 1 year ago
Corruptors would have made a big difference to this game, such would an overseer also. Your play looked a bit nerves compared to your usual games. One thing I do think you do wrong is, that I feel you overcommit to roaches often. I think you should try to mix up your army more.. roach/hydra aint really the baller to the army you engaged, as I said, maybe with a few corruptors it might be decent, even zerglings to take up attention for the toss army so your roaches/hydras could get in a good spot
mrbrandbart 1 year ago 2
1. Your third expo timing was off. You could have taken that way earlier.
2. Your first engagement was pure Hydra. I feel Hydras need a tanking unit always.
3. From there it was a downward spiral, plus you mismicroed the second engagement trying to snipe the collossus, without having corruptor support.
Leidenspfad 1 year ago
I love big boobs too!
Awsome1ne 1 year ago
13:13 lol @ overseer right behind the production tab. Well played psy :P
DreamsOfWastelands 1 year ago
use overlord creep spread more man... your loosing units under them in your main so just make a path around like the outside of the map to help out your hydras
239riders 1 year ago
But it was close, because you have good micro and roaches arent worthless against colosos like hydras are (off creep you can kyte them with the colosi ^^), and you had a bigger force, but what maybe helped also to make the difference besides the good constant stream of fresh supply was maybe that you killed the weakest colosos as the last one, so it could be 2 or 3 less slashes, if you would killed it first.
TheBlackiwid 1 year ago
Not the best decision making but you still held you own vs White-Ra and thats an achivement in itself
sda22as 1 year ago
I am a bit between asking for a nerv for forcefields and saying it is ok like this. Colosos are 2.5 or 3.0 units so trying to match it with 1.5 (roaches) and 2.0 units (hydras) off of creep is not the best idea. And with forcefields and shields it´s ok to win, on this situation forcefields was not overpowered but I saw other battles where some forcefields made such big difference that someone wins with 1/3 armee against someone with it. Thats a bit overpowered.
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dxddxdxxxdxddddxdxxx 1 year ago
zerg should do more base races imo against P
seeaeytch 1 year ago
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you lost the battle because of those force fields and b/c of whitera's positioning. His forces were in a ball so all of his forces could attack and his zealots could run out and attack. It took your roaches and some hydras 2-3 seconds before they even started attacking. Dont feel bad though, lasting 20 min against whitera is pro status.
jounin9988 1 year ago
you lost the battle because of those force fields and b/c of whitera's positioning. His forces were in a ball so all of his forces could attack and his zealots could run out and attack. It took your roaches and some hydras 2-3 seconds before they even started attacking. Dont feel bad though, lasting 15 min against whitera is pro status.
jounin9988 1 year ago
I think that first battle shows that the balance still needs some work. You had a bigger army with better upgrades and engaged and lost , to me that is insanity. Running off 3 base , 1 being a gold I think you should have dropped a 4th hatch. You were talking about his money being high but yours was equally high at points, and just based off larva production you can fund 4 Hatches off 3base 1 being gold. Your 4th expo could have been early as well. If not for mining just for the larva.
bdbrolly 1 year ago
I think you should have focused the hurt colossus first.
HydraliskX 1 year ago
All your battles were off of creep, WhiteRa ALWAYS engaged at the edge of your creep, which seemed to slow down your roaches surrounding in the second battle.
RSinton 1 year ago
so PsY, in that battle, I really think it was those sentries. The guardian shield covered every single unit, and those force fields let him fight one half of your army at a time. You had to funnel in through that small choke, and you walked right past the zealots to try to kill the collosus. You might have done better if you had burrow, and sniped that observer.
Aquamissile42 1 year ago
You counted the colossi as one unit, when actually it is worth about seventeen.
Also count each forcefield as two units each. : p
jdseemoreglass 1 year ago
the forcefields cut down half your army on that battle
kleash 1 year ago
Btw, forgot to mention that oversseers havethe same speed as corrupters when they have their speedupgrade obviously, not in their original state :9
s031720 1 year ago
There is a simple and effective way to go observer-hunting which is very helpful (and not only because you can use burrow-micro vs the P-ball). Corrupters and Overseers have about the same speed, as you build up enough corrupters to battle the collossi, have them patrol or attackmove over your bases and your army together with an overseer. It really helps and he probably wont build new ones in a jiffy.
s031720 1 year ago
Agoth really sentries nerfed Protoss does not need be changed they have half the possible units that each other race has n not to mention toss has no early game harass options like Terran and Zerg. Dts take to long when Zerg can ling rush n Terran can reaper hellion harass all p has is cannon rush Terran can also emp all toss shields. Toss needs whole new tech trees to deal with units where Terran has so many options
executionz 1 year ago
I think you just get out-played man. He even macro better than you. He is a monster. I think you should have try the muta game to force him to defend his main and the natural because colusus> hydras
jlguzmanz 1 year ago
01:40 Psy realizes he spoiled the game :D
miran02 1 year ago
The defining moment of the game, was when you tried to vs WhiteRa.
^..^
amerikano 1 year ago
Sorry you lost Psy :/ GG though me thinks
bregolingo 1 year ago
@bregolingo
wow spoiler..
Although I figured he lost :P
LiquidEggroll 1 year ago
i think u played great just were star struck!
boullionk 1 year ago
i think your biggest mistake was staying equal based with the protoss. you could have easily defended a 3rd hatch at the back expansion earlier in the game right when you knew he was FE-ing to his natural. especially because he lost his two stalkers, you should have focused on your 3rd as well as droning up rather than spending your larvae on the lings. by the time whitera put up his gold expansion, you could have easily out-macroed him.
ikwonxp 1 year ago
Hey Psy.
I think you should have gotten the corruptors earlier and you should also consider getting out a few broodlords, as the broodlings tank quite well and can counter the tanking zealots.
MrNickkciN 1 year ago
sentries need nerf/rework. Force field is already good enough but guardian shield is like a free weapons downgrade for other team.
agonizethis 1 year ago
um. imo i think u lost because in that 2nd battle with his 23 units and your 33 units u should of aimed the weakest collosus out of the 3, the one with 13 or so hp first? u aimed that one down last and the battle may of changed much quicker into your favour
fumiha91 1 year ago
Let me know when you plan on being married. I offer you my baby sister.
tegz 1 year ago 2
in the gold exp battle, the reason you lost was cause you used hydras (light armor), making it possible for the colossus to do the splash damage
kjartanx 1 year ago
I only watched it once, but I'm pretty confident the reason you lost that battle was because of how you right clicked the collosi while your roaches were so out of range. I was watching the roaches just walking around trying to get in range of the collisi while they could've been doing huge DPS to the gateway units, and roaches don't die that fast to collosi anyway.
yottabit 1 year ago
well played psy
ShirosTamagotchi 1 year ago
one of the problems was that you attacked the collosi with full health first, then the one with like 1 hp.
Technecal 1 year ago
IMO, Psy you had poor army control. You were outexpanded as zerg.. that's never good (which you know). Also you never scouted.. if he went a few DT's that could have really messed you up considering how late you got the overseer. Those observers damn near won the game for WhiteRa. He could see everything you did because you didn't detect them.. imagine if those were DT's that went into your main. Not bad overall.. Not your best game. Seemed a little nervous.
bubba18sar 1 year ago
I think you handled yourself very well (phnar phnar), until that final push. You entered the dragon's den at your peril.
dubaipete 1 year ago
geez getting to play a game with whitera is impressive enough
zenon2332 1 year ago
considering how many times i have forgoten to rate a good video as a " like "
i would say that those messeges at the start are helpfull in reminding me to click
" like "
rostyloco1 1 year ago
Awesome game Psy. You played quite well. To have done so well against a beast like Whitera is pretty damn impressive.
Zeuts85 1 year ago
In the battle near your gold expo, I think the main reason you lost was because of the force fields. You and whitera's armies were almost even to start with, but when he put those force fields down several of your hydras and roaches were blocked off and/or forced to run around. Plus the hydras that did manage to get by were up a bit too close to the front, so they quickly got slaughtered by the protoss ball.
Zeuts85 1 year ago
Whitera had good micro on his colossus which put him ahead. The observer made that he knew what you were capable off and just had the right units while taking his 4th and even 5th before you. That last attack was very poor and again excellent position by whitera with his colossi but he was already way ahead at that point so it didn't matter too much anymore.
In short better scouting, micro, macro (eventually) and better decision making. That's what makes him such a strong player. Well played
bredero78 1 year ago
@bredero78 and psys blunders like going all in at 16:00 was also a big mistake
strikermovies4u 1 year ago
WhiteRa is a total baller these days man he rolls everyone!!!
I love big boobs too Psy...I feel like we would get along.
collectivevolution 1 year ago
Awesome ending.
Malacus1337 1 year ago
you could have taken the high yield cuz one colo was not doing that much agenst your roach army if you had just 1aed at them you would have crushed them im pretty sure
RandLDA 1 year ago
At the end of the day, force fields simply win fights, and therefore win games.
neveSykcuL 1 year ago 9
To be honest I think you would have won the fight if you just A-moved your roaches
Not only are roaches much tougher against colossus than Hydralisks (reducing the need to focus fire them) but they also have a lot less range, the time they take to walk around maneuvering the force fields, then positioning themselves in range to shoot the colossus (that are behind) basicaly ensures that half the fight you are not even killing anything.
Anyway these are just 2 cents from one very worse then you
neveSykcuL 1 year ago
i think for that fight you were talking about not everything was firing and zealots are surprisingly very very good against hydras off the creep. those force fields divided your army and a good amount of your hydras weren't attacking.
hydras very high dps makes it important that they are always attacking
MrTrojis 1 year ago
psy starcraft seems very noob, no offense but why would he attack a maxed army head on into a protoss (or terran) army..that is horrible micro, he really needs to learn how to attack with zerg(zerg units are the fastest so there is no excuse for not flanking on every battle, and if the protoss is attacking you, simply counter his expansions because zerg should always have more bases)
dragoon414 1 year ago
@dragoon414 Nothing you say will help him play. He admitted that that was a mistake. Why don't you try playing against WhiteRa and see how you do.
ArchiPepper 1 year ago
@dragoon414 lol he said it was a mistake... he's a pretty solid zerg.. whitera is kind of a beast...
BoBoForce3 1 year ago
12:00
The force fields made you lose that battle, your units werent attacking for a long time
LoloftheRings 1 year ago
I'm a noob, but I've seen WhiteRa consistently do the world's best. When you say "Oh, he beat my micro and macro" you pretty well say he's just the king of domination. WTF can you do? I have already missed the boat to this level of play. WhiteRa may lose one game against you, but I haven't seen him lose a series. Is he the World Champion yet? The guy is a freak at this game. As a noob, I cannot fathom this level of play from both guys, but how does WhiteRa demolish across the world? :P
CTuxford 1 year ago
@CTuxford He doesn't... He demolishes Europe and most North Americans, but he's only mid-level in Korean play. Europe and North America don't really have the caliber players to compete with a guy as good as him, but yeah...
On a different note, PsY needed to get (obviously) a roach warren first, and then maybe even (this is a bit unusual, but can be effective against that particular build) some banelings, which, with upgrades, can take out zealots and sentries very effectively.
mangyangghos 1 year ago
@mangyangghos He caned TLO in their match quite convincingly. Isn't he a Korean? To think, TLO smashed Boxer in their game. They are all freakin' scary players!!!
CTuxford 1 year ago
@CTuxford WhiteRa is Ukrainian.
Dellan42 1 year ago
@Dellan42 I was talking about TLO!!! :)
CTuxford 1 year ago
@CTuxford TLO is a german player. yay! =)
Libertrebil 1 year ago
@mangyangghos Top level Korean is only a little better than most top EU and NA players...>_> The biggest divide in skill is among the non-pro's. Non-pro Koreans are still good, while most non-pro EU and NA's are utter shit.
TheMegabuster123 1 year ago
We all love big boobs ;)
kevinjones1985 1 year ago 59
@kevinjones1985 unless you are a women who likes penis then no we dont all love bobbies :P
Tony3770 1 year ago
i love big boobs too
Promaszta 1 year ago 3
That zergling runby was probably because he underestimated you, one of the biggest mistake you can do, in any game :P
cyrexFFXI 1 year ago
You would have had a much better chance if u didnt lose that last battle of creep...
mcabe0131 1 year ago
Deciding factor around 11:00 --> No good surround on your part. Attacking the toss ball from one direction as zerg (not sure if you could have done much about that). Very good game. Really eyojed it. You did mention the mistakes on both parts, but personally I think that is just how real SC2 battles go. You WILL make mistakes sooner or later. Just that those were pretty high level mistakes. Thanks for sharing!
TheWinterNights 1 year ago
I think you could have done a lot better in the 11:00 battle if you moved back to get him in range of your spines. You were so close to doing it for so long and I was just yelling in my head for you to move back a few steps.
pgorney 1 year ago
he had 3 plus attack thats why he melted everything
SolarCreator 1 year ago
In the battle near your gold, you should just move back whit your roach for 10-15 sec to reinforce. RA joust singe target your roaches and they died before the next 3-4 come along. 6-8 are more effective then 3-4.
And after 10 sec you could have had 10-15.
CDavik 1 year ago
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he's whitera man, just don't even think you can win :)
TheHaplo89 1 year ago
TLO beat RA in PvP
alexander92ck 1 year ago
oh and infester mind control is under used
Mralec007 1 year ago
need corrupters to soak up damage and snipe guardian shield before collossi
Mralec007 1 year ago
harrasment! get 6 mutas so that he has to spend mins for defending his wide spreaded bases
image357 1 year ago
There was a chance there wear you could of got broodlords. Would have been a place to spend all that saved income?
kamigawaa 1 year ago
psy, u did not lose that game becuz of any engagement but rather u stayed on 2 bases 2 long, and quite frankly hydras r horrible.....if all those hydras were roaches with another +1 or +2 upgrade u would of won tht engagement by a landslide, the glass cannons arent worth it
Josh15dean 1 year ago
I love big boobs too, psy. <3
Gimerion 1 year ago 73
I feel bad for thinking protoss is the strongest race. Maybe I just watch your casts too much :/.... your loss came down to decision making though. You threw away a lot of units early on. And even though you had that sweeeet ling harass afterward, it was kind of like you were catching up. You made a mistake twice i