CLEAN COAL? That is an oxymoron. OBAMA is a liar, crook, & a fraud. Coal is CLEAN energy? OBAMA wants to back the COAL UNIONs. OBAMA says he is for clean energy, but it is just a bunch of B/S. It means more dues for his UNION cronies. Same with CAP/TRADE, raise your taxes, & energy prices saying you take that money for windmills, BULLSHIT! All going to state deficits to pay off the UNIONs outrageous salaries & pensions!
@siucbasser You should keep that money, to pay for your health insurance, rather than subsidizing UNIONs bosses 6 figure salaries & using those dues to elect more democrats so they can pass more laws, permits, & restrictions so that you can not work, basically extorting money from you so you can't do business, & say its for the environment but in reality they take that money & piss it away on red tape, UNION bureaucracy, & more cubicle hamster secretary DMV city workers that watch you drown.
So where do you put the millions of tons of toxic sludge-ooops we take it 3 miles out and dump it on top of the coral reef. You say that we only killed 98$ Idiots.
billions of tons of toxic sludge being pumped into the air and water. Our planet is going into convulsions. These cowards think because trhey buy off politicians and pervert the democratic process that we have to live with the dangers brought about by pumping billions of tons of toxic sludge into our air and water. What-did you really think that the ash and toxic garbage actually turns into pixi dust and disappears? No, not at all.
TECO's coal gasification plant (Polk Power Station) is 5 miles from my house in Florida (I just moved from there to New Mexico).
I used to work for TECO, although not at Polk Power Station.
One thing the video says that is misleading is when they say carbon sequestration isn't being done on any coal-fired power plants. However, it isn't being done on ANY power plants, including oil and natural gas fired power plants.
It's amazing how they can word a news report so that it's misleading.
Coal will never be clean. We can rid ourselve of all of our coal plants by replacing them with Liquid Fluoride Thoriums Reactors (LFTR) an improved form of nuclear energy. A LFTR replacing the coal plant would fit in the parking lot of any coal plant in the US. We could replace all of our coal with LFTRs generating electriciy at less then 3 cents a kilowatt hour and save trillions of dollars in the process.
We ALL have known that fossils for fuel & the risks associated withe nukes are dangerous, unsustainable & ultimately suicidal to the human race for the past 40 years. The only thing that can prevent human extinction is: for those who are in denial of these facts to change their minds and agree with the rest of us. The time for debate is over.
Economies are collapsing as oil runs out. Climate change is here now. Revolution has begun in the Middle East. The U.S. should demand green now!
@BadGasGoodWind "oil runs out" lol, the united states has more oil under its ground than all of the middle east put together, we just have people like obama and cast sunstien preventing us from using it
@zidanetribal00042 >>> Educate yourself and everyone you know. ... watch the movies: "What A Way To Go, Life at the end of empire" and "Crude,the movie" Think for yourself & stop accepting right wing news as the truth like a sheep following other sheep over a cliff. The ones who want you to believe that fossil fuels are good & plentiful, and that solar & wind won't work are getting rich off you, and they don't care about you. Quit believing their lies & demand a green future, or there is none.
@zidanetribal00042 You're wrong. US oil supplies peaked in the 1970's. The fact of the matter is that we can't go on burning the stuff(or coal & natural gas) even if it all is plentiful & abundant. The amount of air & water pollution it produces has become catastrophic, nature is no longer able to mitigate & absorb the poisons emitted. Oil is actually more valuable & worth more to humankind if solely used as a manufacturing ingredient, NOT as fuel. We are wasting it (and ourselves) by burning it
There is an alternative to coal, oil and natural gas. It will reduce emissions, create 10'sof 000's of jobs and reduce electricity costs to $8 per week for the average household. Don't believe me? watch?v=qImNRuV4G0Q
Potentially any energy technology can solve our modern energy needs. As far a 'green-tech' is concerned... Space-based solar microwave beam and geothermal are my favorites. Alternative nuclear energy such as thorium and ultimately fusion. I'd love to see all the coal utilized for water filtration or transport fuel. But it comes down to finance and engineering + environmental regs that actually work.
@granddad2002 We ALL know that fossils for fuel & the risks associated withe nukes are dangerous, unsustainable & ultimately suicidal to the human race. The only thing that can prevent human extinction is: for those who are in denial of these facts to change their minds and agree with the rest of us. The time for debate is over.
Economies are collapsing as oil runs out. Climate change is here today. Revolution has begun in the Middle East The U.S. should demand a new green economy now!
all US nukes are 25 years old or older. we havn't built one since three mile island. so.... none of americas 100 or so plants are safe. millions of americans live within 20 miles of an old unsafe nuke, including the entire city of new york.
gee... too f**** ing bad all that cash didn't go to wind, tidal and solar.... no cancer risk, no 60 mile radius / 1,000 year dead zones, no waste.... what were we thinking?
Except for the fact wind, tidal and solar cannot even get close to being as reliable as Nuclear. The capacity factor is what separates baseload coal/nuclear/natural gas with intermittent "green" power sources. Thankfully people who actually provide electricity do not listen to the pipe dreams, probably because they are expensive, unproven, and intermittent. New Nuclear Designs such as the AP1000 are even better and more robust. Expand Nuclear!
@Allante715 We ALL know that fossils for fuel & the risks associated withe nukes are dangerous, unsustainable & ultimately suicidal to the human race. The only thing that can prevent human extinction is: for those who are in denial of these facts to change their minds and agree with the rest of us. The time for debate is over.
Economies are collapsing as oil runs out. Climate change is here today. Revolution has begun in the Middle East The U.S. should demand a new green economy now!
@Allante715 Ever hear of the electrical grid?When it's not sunny somewhere in the US it's always sunny somewhere else in the US.It is extremely rare for clouds to cover the entire US.The same goes for wind. There is ALWAYS wind,especially on the coasts and the high plains.If there's no wind in one place,there's definitely wind in other places.Because of the grid we don't have to store energy so intermittence is not a drawback.The sun provides far more energy than can be used. Wind & photovoltaic
Do you have an idea how much, say, a 500MW solar plant takes in terms of acrage? You would need the area greater then the state of Arizona just to displace all the Coal plants in the United States. But, Coal plants run 24/7 at close to their installed capacity. Solar does not, not even close. So all that land, and you still haven't matched coal for reliable, non-intermittent power. Wind is the same way. Requires WAY too much land for unreliable power.
@canucanoe2861 Did you ever hear of residential and commercial solar panels installed on rooftops? If most bldgs. had solar panels, desert installations would be there to supplement the panels on rooftops. This is not an overnight solution. Windfarms are often located offshore so there is no loss of land use. The offshore installations create artificial reefs which are good for marine nurseries. This will work as part of a long term strategy to get off of fossil fuels whose sources are finite.
you are ignoring wind/solar again/still. Don't keep being silly. Of course we can win with power that doesn't have risk. ALL of New York and millions of people near San Diablo Nuclear power plant are within the "evacuation zone" of a nuclear accident. Good luck getting them out safely and finding them all a new place to live for the next 1,000 years.
We don't need to turn off AC and our lights, in fact we need more electric cars, more electric heat, more electric hot water heaters, electric farm equipment and electric lawnmowers. The "naysayers" who say the sun doesn't always shine, and the wind doesn't always blow are the same idiots who think that burning coal, natural gas, oil, & nuclear radiation are the only options.
IN FACT, the sun will always shine, and the wind will always blow, and the tides will always come in and out. The earth is alive and we are just animals, and we need the earth to be healthy for us all to live. Humans invented nukes, gasoline refineries, automobiles, airplanes, spacecraft, and ships... we can invent 24/7 green tech power storage if we want.
Profiteers who survive by degrading our planet with filthy energy and war to maintain it want you to dissagree with me. DON"T LET THEM. If mankind can create everything you see out your window and on the TV screen, we can also create clean power.
Capture & Sequester won't work. It'll leak out somewhere. The technology is so expensive that wind & solar is cheaper. Nukes are only safe until there is an accident. Natural gas is more & more expensive & just as harmful as coal.
America's electric grid is 50yrs old & needs rebuilding. We need to build wind & solar plants on a grand scale NOW. Employ fossil fuel workers in green energy. China & the rest of the world is ahead of us in green energy, everyone knows we're doomed if we don't.
Do you know the land is required for a massive wind or solar farm? Replacing all the Coal Plants with Solar or Wind would take the land mass of Montana to achieve it. The amount of power that Nuclear or Coal generates is not that simply nor is it easy. The average Nuclear Power Plant has 1 or 2 reactors producing 1000 MW on average. 1 wind turbine produces on average 1-5 MW. Solar is not a bad idea but neither it nor wind can replace Nuclear and Coal. Nuclear Fusion Anyone!
@Allante715 do you know how much land it takes to put all the coal mines, mountaintop removal operations, oil wells, and natural gas fracking wells in one place? seriouly more than montana, and they all still pollute. Please go look at Chernoybl news again, nuclear's not safe.
wind and solar are still in their infancy, as modelT cars where once the auto industries beginning. Production will only make wind/solar cheaper & more efficient. Fossils will always get more expensive in every way.
Nuclear is most certainly safe. If you actually have a shit about truth you would read and learn the difference between the Russian RBMK reactors and modern PWR/BWR reactors used today. Not to mention our Nuclear Industry is HEAVILY regulated and controlled.
Wind and Solar cannot replace Coal and Nuclear. They have low capacity factors and they will always have them. Sun never shines all the time and Wind is not at full strength all the time.
@Allante715 IN FACT, the sun will always shine, and the wind will always blow, and the tides will always come in and out. The earth is alive and we are just animals, and we need the earth to be healthy for us all to live. Humans invented nukes, gasoline refineries, automobiles, airplanes, spacecraft, and ships... we can invent 24/7 green tech power storage if we want.
Boy you really live in the clouds! You probably think we can violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics just because we invented the automobile. Grab a bloody science book...
Russians RBMK reactors did not have concrete containment domes. The RBMK reactor had a positive void coefficient. I can go on and on. The nuclear industry is very safe and very reliable. Go ask Japan and France how they are doing with Nuclear energy. I am sorry you fear what you do not understand but the power of the atom is the power of the future!
Well you cannot win. Every method of producing reliable energy has its risk. Choose between Coal, Natural Gas or Nuclear. Or we could simply turn off the AC, get rid of the microwave and live without electricity.
@Allante715 you are ignoring wind/solar again/still. Don't keep being silly. Of course we can win with power that doesn't have risk. ALL of New York and millions of people near San Diablo Nuclear power plant are within the "evacuation zone" of a nuclear accident. Good luck getting them out safely and finding them all a new place to live for the next 1,000 years.
And what are the chances that will occur. Oh my goodness, we must evacuate the Earth because a Asteroid may hit us in the future! Nuclear energy is highly regulated. The case with the Japanese plant can be learned from! Did we stop the space race just because of Apollo 1. No reason to dumb a reliable source of electricity.
San Diablo? Wow I guess that is a cross between San Onofre and Diablo Canyon. Talk about the bastard child of PG&E and Southern California Edison.
@Allante715 Profiteers who survive by degrading our planet with filthy energy and war to maintain it want you to dissagree with me. DON"T LET THEM. If mankind can create everything you see out your window and on the TV screen, we can also create clean power.
@BadGasGoodWind I think what has failed to get mentioned here is just a smarter, more efficient power distribution network across America. That's a whole third of the problem right there.
Nuclear is safe. The Fukushima plants are 30 years old and Chernobyl, even older. Any modern plant under the strict regulations, and equipped with the redundancies, required today would fare far better.
We don't need to turn off AC and our lights, in fact we need more electric cars, more electric heat, more electric hot water heaters, electric farm equipment and electric lawnmowers. The "naysayers" who say the sun doesn't always shine, and the wind doesn't always blow are the same idiots who think that burning coal, natural gas, oil, & nuclear radiation are the only options.
@bcubed72 2. Who's going to set that price? Since you still have so many non-believers, those who are opposed will try to inflate the price to something ridiculous
3.) Isn't having gov't subsidising this a form of Marxism?
4.) The "gov't inefficiency" gets trotted out a lot - the economic version of "think of the children". But, looking at the debacles in private enterprise going back to the 80s, I don't know if such a blanket statement is true. At least gov't is easier to hold accountable.
MT ST. HELEN,S eruption did more harm to the atmosphere than all the power plants could do in 10 years, how many volcanoes are active 24-7, sulfure dioxide, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, all the things bad for our atmosphere, this is a natural prosses, we wont last forever, thats the way it works.
this debate is false. Theyre going to continue to burn it anyways with or without research into ways to make it cleaner. We may as well do the science, mabee it will eventually make it a bit cleaner.
..AND..sequestration isn't a final solution either. You can only store it in certain appropriate places. This is the same problem nuclear energy faces. Now, why doesn't anyone talk about geo-thermal power in the media?
@sundar213 Ok. I'll be honest. I don't know much about CO2 storage. But the costs to undertake it are probably close to what it takes to pay for solar, wind and geothermal facilities. I think storing our waste is a positive avenue but there can't be unlimited locations. Changing our source of energy to zero emission, renewable sources every place applicable is the key.
If you, as an average American, got all your electricity from nuclear plants, you'd generate one kilogram of nuclear waste during your lifetime, enough to fit in a soda can. If you got all your electricity from coal, you'd generate almost 70 tons of waste. Coal plants emit far more radioactive materials than nuclear plants do;
each year a 1,000-megawatt coal plant disperses about 27 metric tons of uranium, thorium and other radioactive substances.
At 3:22 in the clip: "Until the Fed Gov't funds the research on carbon dioxide, America's reliance on coal is in long-term trouble" . Erm, why does the coal industry need Fed dollars for funding. Can't they do their own research with their own greenbacks? They have half the electricity market in the US - don't they make any money?
This video gives an objective look at coal but truth is coal more problems than CO2. Coal-gasification was used in this country from the 1880s-1960s when natural gas put them out of business. They left billions of tons of toxic waste that was used as fill dirt in low-income neighborhoods; toxic landfills; polluted lakes and streams; are responsible for numerous superfund sites containing arsenic, lead, mercury, candium, cyanide, PAHs, other. Obama is wrong about coal, coal kills.
Well funny thing about "global warming" jxvwp is that centeries befor electricity and exhaust fumes and Al Gore trying to become a millionare and win an election on a stupid idea, the earth has experianced several changes in climate. Ice ages have come and gone usually occuring every other 10,000 years or so. If global warming is to blame then explain to me why glaciers have taken over places like New York then retreated north without "Global Warming" in the past?
Conventional coal emits sulfur, nitrogen, Co2, and soot
Clean coal eliminates all except Co2
Methane gas (CH4) from underwater seabeds all over the world contains over 20 times the potency and during a volcanic eruption mega tons of sulfur, So2, CO2, CO, HF and hydrogen are emitted
Most of these gases are considered green house gas responsible global warming
Therefore we should..[Post your deductive reasoning here]
The future energy source will likely be a combination of Wind-power, Hydro-electric dams, Solar-power, Hydrogen fuel-cells and if we look far enough into the future Fusion or even Anti-matter reactors (The last thing will probably only arrive a few millennia after we have died.)
Clean coal needs more coal to yield the same amount of energy...that means you have to use more dirty fossil fuels to mine more coal and transport it...I wouldn't be surprised if there was an overall increase in pollution from clean coal. It just wouldn' t be at the actual power plant...
The largest single source of outdoor fi ne particles (PM2.5) in many American cities is our neighbor' fi replace or wood stove. The particulate matter in wood smoke is so small that closed doors and windows cannot stop it from entering, even in newer energy-effi cient weather-tight homes. 90% of wood smoke is in the most harmful particle size range (PM2.5) averaging less than 1 micron (one millionth of a meter), allowing the fi ne particles to remain airborne for up to 3 weeks.
develop that solar and wind, but what are you gonna do when its night time and there is no wind? oh thats right back it up with a coal fired power plant, or way more expensive natural gas and then bitch about the price of your electricity
Research-center Risø DTU in Denmark are researching in SOFC's (Solid Oxide Fuel Cells) Which don't need completely clean Hydrogen but can run on a mix of Hydrogen and Bio-gas.
@jxvwp Most hydrogen now comes from natural gas, which still doesnt solve anything. You could use electrolysis but you still need a high output energy source for this to work. Nuclear energy would be able to provide this but you know, and I know that nuclear energy gets a bad wrap, even a worse wrap than coal.
But SOFC's can run on Bio-Gas (Methane or other natural-gasses from renewable sources like corn or animal fertilizer from cows or pigs) so that CO2 that would come out of the chimneys would be neutral.
@ElJulioso where did you get this info? im an environmental engineer at peabody energy, the worlds largest private coal company, and none of our coal contains benzene
People paint this false image of coal power plants belching black soot and carcinogens. The fact is that scrubbing technology has removed most of the harmful flue gas contents. The so-called green technologies are incapable of providing the power that the world needs. If a wind turbine were built in every suitable place in America it would cover an area of land the size of West Virginia; and could only generate 20% of our energy needs. There are two options for our future: coal and nuclear.
you dont just use wind as an alternative, solar, biomass, and hydro are all options too. and we need to also consider that our current energy 'need' is over the top, we dont 'need' as much energy as we're consuming- our appetites are out of control and the environment does not need to suffer or be put at risk so that we can keep up our insatiable rate of energy consumption.
HAHA had to add it but as i saw the recent bad winter storms hit D.C. I wonder if their thinking about global warming? HAHAHA! It's just so funny how ignorant people are....
Funny since that a freezing winter actually fits into the global warming models. According to the models every two years will be extremely hot while the third will be a cold year. If you watched a temperature map over the entire world you'd only see eastern US, mid-Europe and some of china as being colder than normal while every other place it was much hotter than normal.
Acctually co2 is not the most harmful green house gas, hydrogen is. Hydrogen is produced in the water cycle during the evaporation stage. When dumb journalists and these ignorant activists can find a way to stop the planet from renewing it's water supply, then maybe we could focus on coal.
Ignorance must be a bliss everyone proudly displays it.
it doesn't matter if its the 'most' harmful or not ,its harmful, thats the point, the earth is built to sustain itself and be in a state of balance. when we come along and change variables like millions of tons of co2 that the earth isn't regularly producing itself it changes things.
you keep dreamin', geekworks. you'll be one less person we'll have to deal with when coal loses it's lobbying power. that's happening right now even though the coal lobby has spent millions brainwashing people like geekworks into thinking there's no AGW.
You have to remember that water vapor is a greenhouse gas so if we create too much vapor in the atmopshere from geothermal . we will have clmate change. we already generate vapor out of millions of catalytic converters. you sure you want to put moe vapor out in the air?
@SuperMrBentley and too much firewood smoke, too. My neighbor burns firewood everyday . I wonder about what the measurement of soot and particulates is on my immediate property? Nobody is willing to come to measure it here except at airports or irrelevant locations. They measures it at factories but not at residential locations like mine. They just ignore it on intent.
Yes, that must be regulated, there are many residential zones with heavy pollution, My house was near an open waste river, i remembered when there was a methane atmosphere but I get used to it, but the government finally covered the river concrete walls. Now there are some kind of pumps along the ceiling that absorb the methane and turn it into energy Its good to think that that methane will not go to the atmosphere but in a harmless way.
@junkyardnut Do we have to add a new definition to the word stupid to encompass how much you embody the term?
Why would I wear thermal underwear you completely inane lunatic? I live in Texas. You know this - I've said it repeatedly. It was 60 degrees today. Stop making yourself look like a moron.
but, but... but there was a deep arctic freeeze htting Texas last month, right? I mean do you leave your thermostat set at 68 degrees or so? I didint because I completely turned it off straight the clock. I only use a reflective heater to heat any room of my house. That is it. It had been foggy overcast this past two weeks that I am unable to use my solar reflector heater in my backyard. at all. it is a little miserable for me but it will be sunny soon. Turn off your %#$@@^ thermostat
As long as you are still burning firewood , so will we have clean coal technology because it is far superior than your stupid fireplace or woodstove!!
I don't burn firewood regularly, and even if I did use it for heating and cooking purposes it would be many TIMES cleaner than any BS "Clean" Coal technology.
You're an idiot, through and through. You have some stupid, personal vendetta against your neighbor. Your are an insufferable ass on YouTube, I can only imagine what you are like in real life. I pity your neighbors pity the fate of the world if moronic trolls like you become the norm.
You will be sorely mistaken for thinking that it is ok to have firewood while we cannot have clean coal technology. It is not going to happen. We are not going to clear up the air enough so that we can contnue to romanticize with firewood , you know.. having sex in front of fires, oooooh! !
Fine with me with your keeping your fantasy about that happening if ever. Most people dont do like you do. Educating them is next to impossible. The easiest way to do it is to tell them to turn it off to save money and energy. We managed to live without central air for thusands of years why now? It is one of the excesses that we have no choice but to learn to live without. it is that simple. But you can make it smalller with room air conditoners which does the same job as good. Whole house?no
Efficient central air in an efficiency-upgraded home is far better than using individual room conditioners. Where do you get this nonsense?
We also lived for thousands of years without vehicles, trains, bicycles, modern medicine, electrical lights, the computer your typing on nonsensically, and many other things - should we give them all up just because we can? No - we should give up those things that we cannot figure out how to do sustainably. That's all.
I tore down my fireplace and chimney. Now I am seriously considering pulling out my ductwork and cap all the floor registers permanently. I may still have ductwork but not in the crawlspace or attic but all indoors. Attic and crawlspace is cold or hot . Why wrap insulation around them if you can keep it indoors without worrying about leaks.
Below-ceiling ductwork is far more efficient - it's a great way to upgrade your home for efficiency. Do whatever you can to improve your electricity use - I'd never tell you not to.
But none of it will matter if we don't change where our electricity comes from.
like how?? by programming the thermostat more intelligiently? or, hmm? , er.. have you cleaned your ductwork lately?/?? Have you sticked your head into it?? and lick up the piling dust in there?
Pand I search and search the Internet for anything or anybody that blogs, complains , dislike firewood smoke but found nothing. What it tells me is that everybody accepts firewood and its associated smoke as if it is holy smoke to be breathed with bliss. Our cultures around the world is so ingrained over the centuries that it becomes a part of our daily living. We becomes so used to firewood smoke that we never really stop and think about the health hazards associated with firewood.
I saw on TV that China requires every citizen to plant three trees a year to help soak up the carbon dioxide from the coal fired powerplants as well as cars, etc.
What you still dont get is that you can no longer pin it on coal alone.. It takes all avenues to combat the glbal climate change... You bored me on clean coal poohs a long time ago.. I would encourage clean coal technologies for the time being.. You simply cannot stop the coal industry in its track overnight.. learn to get along with coal and deal with what comes to you. Eventually, we will look back and be glad that we no longer need firewood, er ... coal , too.. You see? My young man!!
I saw Exxon Mobil adverisement on carbon capture jingle and I appauld Exxon Mobil for at least paricipating in thier own way whether you or I like it or not or whatever./. Every bit helps.. Thier workers are enthusiastic about finding the best ideas.. May the best ideas win! It is not useful to sling nose boogers at everyobdy you dont like emotionally..
Or there is portable air conditoners. The only problem is there is no way of cooling the hot backside of room or portable air conditoners out of the building which you have to cut a hole on the wall. Architectural designers never consider room air conditioners and they ought to change that. It is doable. Room air conditioners consumes around one kilowatt per room. Central air equipments on the roof consumes far more and cool all rooms unoccupied or not.
We can use room air conditioners instead of central air conditioning with its ductwork. Developers ought to revise designs of office buildings to allow room air conditioners to be installed in each room so each one can be turned on and off invidually. This would save a lot of electricity. Room air types consumes a small fraction of central air types. Or ductworks should have shut valves in each room to reduce wasteful air flow in all rooms where they are unoccupied.
Look up Toward a Just and Sustainable Solar Energy Industry and look up the TOXIC chemicals used in manufacturing, including Nerve Gas, etc. More deadly accidents and emmissions come from Solar Manufacturing than the entire Pulp and Paper Industry. It's a highly toxic very very dangerous industry that destroys the environment during manufacturing. But the volts produced are "clean?" Are you kidding. How stupid.
Not sure what this has to do with coal. But if its not too much trouble please post some links to support the destruction of the environment by the solar power industry. Be sure to include some of those deadly accidents. Thanks.
Nobody seems to be able to make up their mind.. Long ago, we complained about nuclear leaks, then acid rain, then carbon dioxide and now toxics from solar industry. No wonder, people are throwing up hands and going back to coal and possibly nuclear either way. I think anything toxic or dirty is ok as long as it is regulated as opposed to firewood for example. It may seem tame, but it is clogging everybody's lungs with soot and particulates because of lack of pollution controls. You cannot win ..
We can whine all day, but the real issue is the availability of any energy source at reasonable prices that any economy will require to grow with stability. We cannot any longer jerk along with oil traders bidding up and down oil prices and whatnots. 7 billion people is competing for anything to power our businesses ahead. It surely will help a lot if all of us wear thermal underwear indoors and turn down the thermostats to 60 F for winter. This will shut up all the naysayers..
I, for one, is most annoyed by firewood smoke above all others , while others are more annoyed by other things in those far away places. We are kicking smokers out of restaurants and malls. We ought to restrict firewood users to occassions instead of daily usage.. I believe this is where we should start because it will do wonders to clear our minds of firewood smoke floating inside our heads..
We can sell firewood to coal powerplants to compete against coal miners. I dont want firewood smoke in my town .. not healthy because chimnneys and stove pipes have no pollution control mechanisms that is up to par to coal powerplants... Coal powerplants can burn firewood cleaner than our chimnneys and stovepipes..
As a nation we must stop using fossil fuels and move to solar, wind, and other renewable, green sources of energy. Coal is a dying industry, and the coal companies are fighting hard to survive, but ultimately will lose.
I am glad I am not the only one who shudders that these ads. The coal industry is so destructive and dishonest it needs to be phased out immediately if we are to tackle climate change. I'd like to know who will take on the liability for soil subsistence, explosions, etc. from all the CO2 they hope to pump into permiable rock. That is if the rock near the plants is gas permiable. Insane solution. The problem is coal itself.
Them Aholes can wear business swimsuits to work or they can plug the ductwork vent with thick corksheets to choke the AC system on top of the building. Honeywell and Johnson Controls are not making smart ductwork yet.. They are still dumb..
Them Aholes can wear business swimsuits to work or they can plug the ductwork vent with thick corksheets to choke the AC system on top of the building. Honeywell and Johnson Controls are not making smart ductwork yet.. They are still dumb..
solar modules to replace all the coal powerplants and the others.. I am talking about thousands of square miles that you cant accomplish with rooftop installations alone.. IMPossible! now ranchers and land billionaires are bitchin about new grid lines crossing over their properties.. Go ahead with your rooftop solar ambitions... and we will end up building more coal powerplants than necessary .. This down economy is actually a saving grace for you green people as our demand for power is flat
I am still waiiting to hear from you about why we have yet to tear down a lousy coal powerplant and replace it with green power. All you guys sang about is rooftop solar and nothing else. You ought to know that it will take much longer with rooftop solars than megasolar farms... Rooftop solars is great , but it would be much faster with megasolar farms at first. Once there, we can concentrate on rooftops. We are going to need thousands and thousands of square miles not acres to install enough
Firewood usage got popular chiefly because of rising fossil prices since the seventies. Before that, firewood was thought to be obsolete. Air was much cleaner back then even with cars powered by dirty V8 engines. Attempts to create artificial power shortages based on clean coal issues is not going to benefit all of us. Our economy is still in the iCU unit and it is utterly unthinkable to sit on hands and doing nothing about increasing green energy quickly enough. We probably cannot or never.
Capitalists and socialist alike still continue to think that higher fossil fuel prices is necessary to justify more investments into green energy. It seems to me that they are more afraid of ending up looking like sucker fools when fossil fuel prices come down than to wait and getting caught redhanded when fossil fuel prices goes up a lot more again. This is the way your local utility is thinking now.. it merely passes along the buck to ratepayers when fossil fuel prices goes up. Safe politics
I start wearing thermal underwear here in balmy California during wintertime for past few years. My heating bills plummeted. There must be a reality disconnection between frigid regions and balmy ones here in America . Californians, Arizonans, Texans, Floridans must be mistakenly thinking that they can do without thermal underwear during wintertime. Come to think how many new coal powerplants can be postponed if everyone wear thermal underwear and adjust their lifestyles at home and work.
many people wear extra clothings to keep warm even in homes in practically all nations in the world to save money or energy. Americans still wear summer like clothings in homes or offices during wintertime and think they just need to rely on smart researchers to design better and more energy efficient furnaces and other home widgets. You see, workers commute to work shivering in unheated trains or buses unneedlessly. They can wear warm thermal underwears all day and keep office temp down.
I have yet to see one single lousy coal powerplant being torn down to make way for a spanking new wind farm or solar park whatsover.. Sure, we dropped scores of new coal powerplants on drawing boards but it was primarily because of the down economy. When our economy recovers, energy prices will zoom much sooner than previous cycles. We simply CANT AFFORD TO SHUT DOWN COAL POWERPLANTS LET ALONE STOPPING BUILDING NEW ONES. At any rate, our green movement is horribly glacial, relatively speaking.
I listen, nod, and agree that coal is not clean but coal is far more efficient than firewood . You cannot tell anybody to go freeze their behinds so that you can meet the carbon quotas.. Numbers can be that easily misleading. Take Bangeldash near India.. Firewood is the mainstay of its economy. Satellite photos routinely show sooty clouds over Bangeldash. I thought why not build coal powerplants there and ban firewood there It would contribute greatly to the carbon reduction dollar for dollar.
You have to remember that a billion or more poor people still rely on firewood or cow bricks to cook and keep warm. Suppose you replace thier firewood and bricks with coal powerplants or even green power. wow this would help a great deal. Coal is always the scapegoat for the carbon count, because it delivers most of world's electricity. Coal powerplants are constantly added with layers of pollution control systems. For every sooty paritculate, coal delvier far more power than firewood ..
Coal is bad and firewood is bad, too . Which is worse is irrelevant... Firewood smoke is much closer to you than coal. It is much easier to ban firewood than coal unless you can find money to demolish and replace the coal powerplant with green power like wind turbines and solar modules . You have to know the math.. A typical coal powerplant generates 500,000,000 to 1,200,,000,000 watts a hour. If you replace a coal powerplant with fireplaces without any pollution controls. Which is worse??
Clean coal or not, we still rely on it for 50% of our electricity all over US. California has no coal powerplants , but it gets 19% of its electricity from Nevada or Idaho or Arizona or even Mexico. Everyone is shifting the dirty coal away except my neighbor who continuess to burn firewood upwind of my home..
I think you should pay more attention to firewood smoke which is full of soot and particulates that gets deep into your lungs. It may smell good, but it is bad for your health and environment. The EPA is not going to address this because it is politically impossible... Everyone would be in arms if firewood is banned, but this is exactly what we should do now.. too many of us are burning firewood for goodness' sake..
You again. Firewood is not a problem. There are far more small particulates from fossil fuel burning, and the sheer volume differences are enormous. The emissions from forest fires are far higher and far more wood is burned during those than from all the campfires and cook fires. If you're concerned about firewood smoke then help stop forest fires and help stop slash-and-burn of rain forests to grow food to feed to cheep beef cattle. Stop eating at McDonalds. Campfires are a red herring.
If you live next door to a neighbor who uses firewood on a daily basis, you will understand. I would welcome anyone who can tear down a coal powerplant and replace it with alternate energy. So far, no takers... Talk is cheap.. Money talks and walks...Do you have money to do it? You can yap and yap until you turn blue and the coal powerplant will still be there plus my neighbor burning firewood daily. C'mon, get real.. We have not even begun to turn around the ever growing burning of
You're an idiot and have no idea what your talking about. I'll not respond to any more of your messages. Firewood is nothing compared to forest fires, and forest fires are nothing compared to coal plants. There are alternatives, and over 100 of the 150 recently proposed coal plants around the country have been defeated. As I said - you have no idea what your talking about, nor any comprehension of the difference between fossil fuels and other fuels. Shut up.
Any idiot would tell you that firewood is a green energy fuel ..... it is not a green environmental energy source by any means.. It pollutes the air and that is the bottom line... Wind and solar doesnt generate any smoke... If you want to use firewood, you can chop some and sell to your local coal powerplant. There, firewood will be burned much cleaner than through your stovepipe or chimney.. FIY, I just tore down my fireplace and chimney last summer to make a point...look for the clip soon
all kinds of stuff. There is too many of us.. Forest fires is the only one of a few that we cannot control except to prevent idiots from starting it . Lightnings usually starts them. I am not interested in comparing notes like you tend to.. Just stop all kinds of burnings. Every bit counts, period... Coal as well as firewood is dirty period .You simply cannot make any exceptions by saying this is ok and that is not.. You simply cannot.. You are just crazy !
Over the past several decades. EPA and the Congress enacted laws strengthening pollution controls on coal to reduce fly ash, acid rain, low sulfur coal, scrubbers, etc. Today, coal powerplants is far cleaner than back then... You have to admit that for every kilowatt or equivalent, coal is far cleaner than naked firewood smoke up the chimneys and stove pipes without any pollution controls whatsoever. Even worse, firewood is used in population centers ..
Would you want a coal powerplant on Main Street?You wouldnt.. That is why coal powerplants is sited miles out of population centers to dilute the pollution before it hits population centers, but they are still bad.. To tell me that firewood smoke is ok, is pure nonsense! I am sure that you had seen TV news reporting no burn days and things like that. It is a sign of times to come.. Before too long, firewood will be banned outright,
Go take whatever medication you are supposed to be taking and stop wasting my time. Burn bans are to keep ground fires from starting brush or forest fires, not because of their emissions. Fireplace fires are still allowed during burn bans. Firewood will never be banned. You're an idiot.
All enviironmentalists got to own up to the fact that firewood is not a greeny energy or alternate energy source whatsoever.. They will get to 'fess up. In case you dont notice,, we are selling "woodstoves" powered with clean natural gas. Same goes for gas grills instead of charcoal.. There are still holdouts out there.. Eventually, they will be gone..Thereis too many people on Earth and we can no longer allow ourselves to keep burning firewood, charcoal, and eventually coal , of course..
I never said firewood is a "green energy" or "alternate energy source" - nor do I know of any "environmentalists" who think so.
It should not be used for generating electricity or as the main source of heating, unless nothing else is available of course. But it is NOT an issue - go fight against a real problem, like coal plants.
Oil prices is creeping upwardly which means that we will return to more coal powerplants if we do not start spending money on alternate energy now.. Some people dont care about $10 gasolikne if it comes and still want to stop coal no matter what.. Our economy simply cannot function that way.. how I wish we coudl do away with coal and firewood, too. You are aware that we need TERAWATTS of alternate energy in the comingyears in order to maintain economic growht as well as replacing dirty power.
If you knew anything you'd know that gasoline and coal power different energy sectors and have little to do with each other. AGAIN, firewood is not used for electricity - another non-issue. You really should educate yourself about some of these things if you want to go around making claims and trying to convince people of things.
You seem all for green energy, and that's great - so stop complaining about firewood and go support renewable energy development.
We dropped or delayed new coal powerplants primarily because of slow economy. Do not be too quick to rest your laurels on that.. When economy recovers, watch out! You will regret that you didnt do much to grow alternate energy by then. People use firewood to avoid using electricity without any regard for the environment. Our health costs will soar becaue of increased reliance on firewood. Again, you dont understand soot and particulates...
I can give you an analogy... People are buying fuel efficient cars to gain energy independence only to see idiots driving spanking new SuVs and PickUPs as usual.. Same goes for coal... I agree with curbing coal usage and it also help to cut down on firewood usage all around the world.. Get it all together and fair.. No exceptions ... All must pitch in.. We will get faster results that way.. The climate change we see is happening from carbon emissions decades ago. What we do now has yet to ...
I complain about firewood because it is not green energy and it is harming my health from my neighbor.. Also, you say that coal is worse than firewood, then we can sell firewood to coal powerplants to offset coal mining. I dont see why not... Coal powerplants are not going away anyday.. You are concerned about mercury, mining runoffs, etc.. I dont care about firewood smoke as long as it is proudced far away from my home..You have to realize that chimneys and stove pipes lack pollution controls
Read my lips ..... "TERAWATTS NOT GIGAWATTS!' The reason we are "hesitant" to ban firewood is that many people cannot afford utiltiy bills and rely on firewood as a source of energy. I understand that very well. It doesnt mean that we can just ignore it.. The world needs CLEAN ENERGY .. Firewood is not one of them..
I am very riducled by the idea of blaming coal solely for climate change and toxins... Firewood is another source of the same bad stuff , more or less too close to us... Our government is constantly working on reducing emissions of all , including firewood. They have no choice but to go slow.. I want faster action on firewood especially on daily users. which is unfair to neighbors having to tolerate that.. It is a form of harassment or nuisance..Firewood is never an exception to the rule.
Well, for myself, it is an issue.. My neighbor is a daily user which is too much for my health to bear. Why is it that everyone is assuming that firewood is an occassional recreational thing.. There is so many daily firewood users out there and nobody is addressing the nuisance ... Same goes for portable gas generators that many is relying on for powering their homes.
Then that is a personal issue for yourself, and you're entitled to complain about it. But you're on this message board trying to equate that to much larger, worldly concerns about global warming and coal-fired power plants, which dwarf the emissions and problems that come from firewood. You sound like a crazy person - maybe you are, I don't know. But anyone who ignores such massive problems as coal plants to focus on firewood is missing something...
Coal is not responsible for 100% of the global warming, but it would be great to get rid of it altogether. It doesnt mean that we can only focus on coal alone. There is countless bad players out there that is responsible, too. What I am trying to say is that we have yet to begin dismantle one single lousy coal powerplant or one lousy chimney one by one... It is business as usual while you do nothing but talk and talk ...
You keep on screaming that coal is the largest offender, then you said nothing about what we should do about it.. You offered nothing as if we can manage to shut them all overnight. You offer nothing but just popping off champagne corks on the back of laid off workers as a result of our economy screeching to a halt due to the unstable energy supplies. We cannot hire back them until we have secure energy supplies in any form or shape. Even if you stop all coal, we will still not make any dent.
If you seriously want any answers to any of these questions then private message me. I'm done letting you rant in response to my messages on this thread.
I will never private message you, I believe in open forums. I will continue to pummel your brains until you understand that it is not all about coal, peirod. Coal is bad so is many other craps out there. Now, I continue... you have to realize that your constant bombardments against coal give most industries the ammunition or a big excuse to hand out pink slips to workers simply be
CLEAN COAL? That is an oxymoron. OBAMA is a liar, crook, & a fraud. Coal is CLEAN energy? OBAMA wants to back the COAL UNIONs. OBAMA says he is for clean energy, but it is just a bunch of B/S. It means more dues for his UNION cronies. Same with CAP/TRADE, raise your taxes, & energy prices saying you take that money for windmills, BULLSHIT! All going to state deficits to pay off the UNIONs outrageous salaries & pensions!
UCSDEngineerDoctor 7 months ago
@UCSDEngineerDoctor
bah unions...
us miners already give enough of our paychecks that we work hard for to taxes, let alone have to pay more of it to unions.
siucbasser 7 months ago
@siucbasser You should keep that money, to pay for your health insurance, rather than subsidizing UNIONs bosses 6 figure salaries & using those dues to elect more democrats so they can pass more laws, permits, & restrictions so that you can not work, basically extorting money from you so you can't do business, & say its for the environment but in reality they take that money & piss it away on red tape, UNION bureaucracy, & more cubicle hamster secretary DMV city workers that watch you drown.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 7 months ago
So where do you put the millions of tons of toxic sludge-ooops we take it 3 miles out and dump it on top of the coral reef. You say that we only killed 98$ Idiots.
roywesthouston 8 months ago
billions of tons of toxic sludge being pumped into the air and water. Our planet is going into convulsions. These cowards think because trhey buy off politicians and pervert the democratic process that we have to live with the dangers brought about by pumping billions of tons of toxic sludge into our air and water. What-did you really think that the ash and toxic garbage actually turns into pixi dust and disappears? No, not at all.
roywesthouston 8 months ago
TECO's coal gasification plant (Polk Power Station) is 5 miles from my house in Florida (I just moved from there to New Mexico).
I used to work for TECO, although not at Polk Power Station.
One thing the video says that is misleading is when they say carbon sequestration isn't being done on any coal-fired power plants. However, it isn't being done on ANY power plants, including oil and natural gas fired power plants.
It's amazing how they can word a news report so that it's misleading.
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beesleeper 8 months ago
Coal will never be clean. We can rid ourselve of all of our coal plants by replacing them with Liquid Fluoride Thoriums Reactors (LFTR) an improved form of nuclear energy. A LFTR replacing the coal plant would fit in the parking lot of any coal plant in the US. We could replace all of our coal with LFTRs generating electriciy at less then 3 cents a kilowatt hour and save trillions of dollars in the process.
bogusnachos 8 months ago
We ALL have known that fossils for fuel & the risks associated withe nukes are dangerous, unsustainable & ultimately suicidal to the human race for the past 40 years. The only thing that can prevent human extinction is: for those who are in denial of these facts to change their minds and agree with the rest of us. The time for debate is over.
Economies are collapsing as oil runs out. Climate change is here now. Revolution has begun in the Middle East. The U.S. should demand green now!
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
@BadGasGoodWind "oil runs out" lol, the united states has more oil under its ground than all of the middle east put together, we just have people like obama and cast sunstien preventing us from using it
zidanetribal00042 9 months ago
@zidanetribal00042 >>> Educate yourself and everyone you know. ... watch the movies: "What A Way To Go, Life at the end of empire" and "Crude,the movie" Think for yourself & stop accepting right wing news as the truth like a sheep following other sheep over a cliff. The ones who want you to believe that fossil fuels are good & plentiful, and that solar & wind won't work are getting rich off you, and they don't care about you. Quit believing their lies & demand a green future, or there is none.
BadGasGoodWind 9 months ago
@zidanetribal00042 You're wrong. US oil supplies peaked in the 1970's. The fact of the matter is that we can't go on burning the stuff(or coal & natural gas) even if it all is plentiful & abundant. The amount of air & water pollution it produces has become catastrophic, nature is no longer able to mitigate & absorb the poisons emitted. Oil is actually more valuable & worth more to humankind if solely used as a manufacturing ingredient, NOT as fuel. We are wasting it (and ourselves) by burning it
BadGasGoodWind 7 months ago
There is an alternative to coal, oil and natural gas. It will reduce emissions, create 10'sof 000's of jobs and reduce electricity costs to $8 per week for the average household. Don't believe me? watch?v=qImNRuV4G0Q
uknowispeaksense 10 months ago
Potentially any energy technology can solve our modern energy needs. As far a 'green-tech' is concerned... Space-based solar microwave beam and geothermal are my favorites. Alternative nuclear energy such as thorium and ultimately fusion. I'd love to see all the coal utilized for water filtration or transport fuel. But it comes down to finance and engineering + environmental regs that actually work.
granddad2002 10 months ago
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@granddad2002 We ALL know that fossils for fuel & the risks associated withe nukes are dangerous, unsustainable & ultimately suicidal to the human race. The only thing that can prevent human extinction is: for those who are in denial of these facts to change their minds and agree with the rest of us. The time for debate is over.
Economies are collapsing as oil runs out. Climate change is here today. Revolution has begun in the Middle East The U.S. should demand a new green economy now!
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
all US nukes are 25 years old or older. we havn't built one since three mile island. so.... none of americas 100 or so plants are safe. millions of americans live within 20 miles of an old unsafe nuke, including the entire city of new york.
gee... too f**** ing bad all that cash didn't go to wind, tidal and solar.... no cancer risk, no 60 mile radius / 1,000 year dead zones, no waste.... what were we thinking?
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
@BadGasGoodWind
Except for the fact wind, tidal and solar cannot even get close to being as reliable as Nuclear. The capacity factor is what separates baseload coal/nuclear/natural gas with intermittent "green" power sources. Thankfully people who actually provide electricity do not listen to the pipe dreams, probably because they are expensive, unproven, and intermittent. New Nuclear Designs such as the AP1000 are even better and more robust. Expand Nuclear!
Allante715 10 months ago
@Allante715 We ALL know that fossils for fuel & the risks associated withe nukes are dangerous, unsustainable & ultimately suicidal to the human race. The only thing that can prevent human extinction is: for those who are in denial of these facts to change their minds and agree with the rest of us. The time for debate is over.
Economies are collapsing as oil runs out. Climate change is here today. Revolution has begun in the Middle East The U.S. should demand a new green economy now!
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
@Allante715 Ever hear of the electrical grid?When it's not sunny somewhere in the US it's always sunny somewhere else in the US.It is extremely rare for clouds to cover the entire US.The same goes for wind. There is ALWAYS wind,especially on the coasts and the high plains.If there's no wind in one place,there's definitely wind in other places.Because of the grid we don't have to store energy so intermittence is not a drawback.The sun provides far more energy than can be used. Wind & photovoltaic
canucanoe2861 9 months ago
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Do you have an idea how much, say, a 500MW solar plant takes in terms of acrage? You would need the area greater then the state of Arizona just to displace all the Coal plants in the United States. But, Coal plants run 24/7 at close to their installed capacity. Solar does not, not even close. So all that land, and you still haven't matched coal for reliable, non-intermittent power. Wind is the same way. Requires WAY too much land for unreliable power.
Allante715 9 months ago
@canucanoe2861 Did you ever hear of residential and commercial solar panels installed on rooftops? If most bldgs. had solar panels, desert installations would be there to supplement the panels on rooftops. This is not an overnight solution. Windfarms are often located offshore so there is no loss of land use. The offshore installations create artificial reefs which are good for marine nurseries. This will work as part of a long term strategy to get off of fossil fuels whose sources are finite.
canucanoe2861 9 months ago
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you are ignoring wind/solar again/still. Don't keep being silly. Of course we can win with power that doesn't have risk. ALL of New York and millions of people near San Diablo Nuclear power plant are within the "evacuation zone" of a nuclear accident. Good luck getting them out safely and finding them all a new place to live for the next 1,000 years.
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
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We don't need to turn off AC and our lights, in fact we need more electric cars, more electric heat, more electric hot water heaters, electric farm equipment and electric lawnmowers. The "naysayers" who say the sun doesn't always shine, and the wind doesn't always blow are the same idiots who think that burning coal, natural gas, oil, & nuclear radiation are the only options.
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
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IN FACT, the sun will always shine, and the wind will always blow, and the tides will always come in and out. The earth is alive and we are just animals, and we need the earth to be healthy for us all to live. Humans invented nukes, gasoline refineries, automobiles, airplanes, spacecraft, and ships... we can invent 24/7 green tech power storage if we want.
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
Profiteers who survive by degrading our planet with filthy energy and war to maintain it want you to dissagree with me. DON"T LET THEM. If mankind can create everything you see out your window and on the TV screen, we can also create clean power.
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
Capture & Sequester won't work. It'll leak out somewhere. The technology is so expensive that wind & solar is cheaper. Nukes are only safe until there is an accident. Natural gas is more & more expensive & just as harmful as coal.
America's electric grid is 50yrs old & needs rebuilding. We need to build wind & solar plants on a grand scale NOW. Employ fossil fuel workers in green energy. China & the rest of the world is ahead of us in green energy, everyone knows we're doomed if we don't.
BadGasGoodWind 1 year ago
@BadGasGoodWind
Do you know the land is required for a massive wind or solar farm? Replacing all the Coal Plants with Solar or Wind would take the land mass of Montana to achieve it. The amount of power that Nuclear or Coal generates is not that simply nor is it easy. The average Nuclear Power Plant has 1 or 2 reactors producing 1000 MW on average. 1 wind turbine produces on average 1-5 MW. Solar is not a bad idea but neither it nor wind can replace Nuclear and Coal. Nuclear Fusion Anyone!
Allante715 1 year ago
@Allante715 do you know how much land it takes to put all the coal mines, mountaintop removal operations, oil wells, and natural gas fracking wells in one place? seriouly more than montana, and they all still pollute. Please go look at Chernoybl news again, nuclear's not safe.
wind and solar are still in their infancy, as modelT cars where once the auto industries beginning. Production will only make wind/solar cheaper & more efficient. Fossils will always get more expensive in every way.
BadGasGoodWind 1 year ago
@BadGasGoodWind
Nuclear is most certainly safe. If you actually have a shit about truth you would read and learn the difference between the Russian RBMK reactors and modern PWR/BWR reactors used today. Not to mention our Nuclear Industry is HEAVILY regulated and controlled.
Wind and Solar cannot replace Coal and Nuclear. They have low capacity factors and they will always have them. Sun never shines all the time and Wind is not at full strength all the time.
Allante715 11 months ago
@Allante715 IN FACT, the sun will always shine, and the wind will always blow, and the tides will always come in and out. The earth is alive and we are just animals, and we need the earth to be healthy for us all to live. Humans invented nukes, gasoline refineries, automobiles, airplanes, spacecraft, and ships... we can invent 24/7 green tech power storage if we want.
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
@BadGasGoodWind
Boy you really live in the clouds! You probably think we can violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics just because we invented the automobile. Grab a bloody science book...
Allante715 10 months ago
@BadGasGoodWind
Russians RBMK reactors did not have concrete containment domes. The RBMK reactor had a positive void coefficient. I can go on and on. The nuclear industry is very safe and very reliable. Go ask Japan and France how they are doing with Nuclear energy. I am sorry you fear what you do not understand but the power of the atom is the power of the future!
You sure as hell cant replace it with wind.
Allante715 11 months ago
@Allante715 Not safe when there is a tsunami
bbaction101 10 months ago
@bbaction101
Well you cannot win. Every method of producing reliable energy has its risk. Choose between Coal, Natural Gas or Nuclear. Or we could simply turn off the AC, get rid of the microwave and live without electricity.
Allante715 10 months ago
@Allante715 you are ignoring wind/solar again/still. Don't keep being silly. Of course we can win with power that doesn't have risk. ALL of New York and millions of people near San Diablo Nuclear power plant are within the "evacuation zone" of a nuclear accident. Good luck getting them out safely and finding them all a new place to live for the next 1,000 years.
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
@BadGasGoodWind
And what are the chances that will occur. Oh my goodness, we must evacuate the Earth because a Asteroid may hit us in the future! Nuclear energy is highly regulated. The case with the Japanese plant can be learned from! Did we stop the space race just because of Apollo 1. No reason to dumb a reliable source of electricity.
San Diablo? Wow I guess that is a cross between San Onofre and Diablo Canyon. Talk about the bastard child of PG&E and Southern California Edison.
Allante715 10 months ago
@Allante715 Profiteers who survive by degrading our planet with filthy energy and war to maintain it want you to dissagree with me. DON"T LET THEM. If mankind can create everything you see out your window and on the TV screen, we can also create clean power.
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
@BadGasGoodWind
I know, the darn profiteers will not even let us have perpetual motion machines, that 200 mpg carburetor or fairy dust. It just isn`t fair!
Allante715 10 months ago
@BadGasGoodWind I think what has failed to get mentioned here is just a smarter, more efficient power distribution network across America. That's a whole third of the problem right there.
Nuclear is safe. The Fukushima plants are 30 years old and Chernobyl, even older. Any modern plant under the strict regulations, and equipped with the redundancies, required today would fare far better.
JohnGlennSpace 10 months ago
We don't need to turn off AC and our lights, in fact we need more electric cars, more electric heat, more electric hot water heaters, electric farm equipment and electric lawnmowers. The "naysayers" who say the sun doesn't always shine, and the wind doesn't always blow are the same idiots who think that burning coal, natural gas, oil, & nuclear radiation are the only options.
BadGasGoodWind 10 months ago
CO2 sequestration/reduction is easy (well, straightforward):
1. Determine that lower CO2 levels are a societal "good."
2. Determine the economic value of removing a ton of CO2 from the atmosphere.
3. Pay out that amount as a "bounty" to private firms willing to sequester CO2.
4. Said firms will do so as efficiently as possible, so as to maximize profits. (In any event, WAY more efficiently than gov't.)
Of course, it won't happen 'cause most environmentalists are closet Marxists...
bcubed72 1 year ago
@bcubed72 2. Who's going to set that price? Since you still have so many non-believers, those who are opposed will try to inflate the price to something ridiculous
3.) Isn't having gov't subsidising this a form of Marxism?
4.) The "gov't inefficiency" gets trotted out a lot - the economic version of "think of the children". But, looking at the debacles in private enterprise going back to the 80s, I don't know if such a blanket statement is true. At least gov't is easier to hold accountable.
bannor99 1 year ago
MT ST. HELEN,S eruption did more harm to the atmosphere than all the power plants could do in 10 years, how many volcanoes are active 24-7, sulfure dioxide, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, all the things bad for our atmosphere, this is a natural prosses, we wont last forever, thats the way it works.
anthnchav9 1 year ago
this debate is false. Theyre going to continue to burn it anyways with or without research into ways to make it cleaner. We may as well do the science, mabee it will eventually make it a bit cleaner.
TheCaptainLulz 1 year ago
..AND..sequestration isn't a final solution either. You can only store it in certain appropriate places. This is the same problem nuclear energy faces. Now, why doesn't anyone talk about geo-thermal power in the media?
DaftStrings 1 year ago
@DaftStrings not true. CO2 storage is relatively harmless to environment compared to Nuclear waste.
sundar213 1 year ago
@sundar213 Ok. I'll be honest. I don't know much about CO2 storage. But the costs to undertake it are probably close to what it takes to pay for solar, wind and geothermal facilities. I think storing our waste is a positive avenue but there can't be unlimited locations. Changing our source of energy to zero emission, renewable sources every place applicable is the key.
DaftStrings 1 year ago
If you, as an average American, got all your electricity from nuclear plants, you'd generate one kilogram of nuclear waste during your lifetime, enough to fit in a soda can. If you got all your electricity from coal, you'd generate almost 70 tons of waste. Coal plants emit far more radioactive materials than nuclear plants do;
each year a 1,000-megawatt coal plant disperses about 27 metric tons of uranium, thorium and other radioactive substances.
captinseperoth 1 year ago
At 3:22 in the clip: "Until the Fed Gov't funds the research on carbon dioxide, America's reliance on coal is in long-term trouble" . Erm, why does the coal industry need Fed dollars for funding. Can't they do their own research with their own greenbacks? They have half the electricity market in the US - don't they make any money?
bannor99 1 year ago
@bannor99 so true. The Gov't is in their pockets
sundar213 1 year ago
This video gives an objective look at coal but truth is coal more problems than CO2. Coal-gasification was used in this country from the 1880s-1960s when natural gas put them out of business. They left billions of tons of toxic waste that was used as fill dirt in low-income neighborhoods; toxic landfills; polluted lakes and streams; are responsible for numerous superfund sites containing arsenic, lead, mercury, candium, cyanide, PAHs, other. Obama is wrong about coal, coal kills.
Rubenleesims 1 year ago
Well funny thing about "global warming" jxvwp is that centeries befor electricity and exhaust fumes and Al Gore trying to become a millionare and win an election on a stupid idea, the earth has experianced several changes in climate. Ice ages have come and gone usually occuring every other 10,000 years or so. If global warming is to blame then explain to me why glaciers have taken over places like New York then retreated north without "Global Warming" in the past?
natean69 1 year ago
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Conventional coal emits sulfur, nitrogen, Co2, and soot
Clean coal eliminates all except Co2
Methane gas (CH4) from underwater seabeds all over the world contains over 20 times the potency and during a volcanic eruption mega tons of sulfur, So2, CO2, CO, HF and hydrogen are emitted
Most of these gases are considered green house gas responsible global warming
Therefore we should..[Post your deductive reasoning here]
TitaniumBallz 1 year ago
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TitaniumBallz 1 year ago
eathir way if everyone switches to coal thell find some way to put a high price on it and rip everyone off its just all about money
xcraz3danim3fanx 1 year ago
@xcraz3danim3fanx Learn some economics you fucking retard. If everyone did switch to coal IT WOULD HAVE TO GO UP DUE TO DEMAND!
SniperViper1000 1 year ago
coal is the future!
jcng5 1 year ago
@jcng5
Unlikely.
The future energy source will likely be a combination of Wind-power, Hydro-electric dams, Solar-power, Hydrogen fuel-cells and if we look far enough into the future Fusion or even Anti-matter reactors (The last thing will probably only arrive a few millennia after we have died.)
jxvwp 1 year ago
Clean Coal is a joke now with all the miner safety violations and incidents happening all of a sudden.
Anyone that thinks coal is clean must think lead, mercury, arsenic, and methane gas is clean too.
XionXXXX 1 year ago
Clean coal needs more coal to yield the same amount of energy...that means you have to use more dirty fossil fuels to mine more coal and transport it...I wouldn't be surprised if there was an overall increase in pollution from clean coal. It just wouldn' t be at the actual power plant...
MrEnergyCzar 1 year ago
junkyardnut 1 year ago
The particles are so
small that they can penetrate into the deepest
recesses of the lungs. These particles become
effi cient vehicles for transporting toxic gases,
bacteria and viruses deep into the lungs where
they do the most damage and cannot be coughed
up, and from where the chemicals pass directly
into the blood stream.]Tobacco smoke and wood smoke are
very similar in chemical composition.
junkyardnut 1 year ago
Breathing the chemicals and gases of wood smoke
and tobacco smoke has been linked not only to
health problems, but also to substance abuse.
There is concern that children from areas with
high levels of wood smoke may be more likely
to begin smoking tobacco. Homes in wood burning areas also have
increased rates of low birth weight and Sudden
Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).
junkyardnut 1 year ago
We can reduce our children' exposure
to toxic pollutants by taking very simple measures
in our daily lives: avoiding the use of
wood burning appliances and tobacco. Many
lives could be saved at little or no cost.
junkyardnut 1 year ago
develop that solar and wind, but what are you gonna do when its night time and there is no wind? oh thats right back it up with a coal fired power plant, or way more expensive natural gas and then bitch about the price of your electricity
Bnic5 1 year ago
@Bnic5
How about hydrogen-Fuel cells.
Research-center Risø DTU in Denmark are researching in SOFC's (Solid Oxide Fuel Cells) Which don't need completely clean Hydrogen but can run on a mix of Hydrogen and Bio-gas.
jxvwp 1 year ago
@jxvwp Most hydrogen now comes from natural gas, which still doesnt solve anything. You could use electrolysis but you still need a high output energy source for this to work. Nuclear energy would be able to provide this but you know, and I know that nuclear energy gets a bad wrap, even a worse wrap than coal.
Bnic5 1 year ago
@Bnic5
You're right pure Hydrogen is hard to get.
But SOFC's can run on Bio-Gas (Methane or other natural-gasses from renewable sources like corn or animal fertilizer from cows or pigs) so that CO2 that would come out of the chimneys would be neutral.
jxvwp 1 year ago
How is coal linked to cancer? Please explain..
natean69 1 year ago
Benzene is a carcinogen.
Coal slurry contains benzene, among other things.
Coal slurry often gets into water supplies. Look at what happened in Tennessee and Kentucky.
Explained.
ElJulioso 1 year ago
@ElJulioso where did you get this info? im an environmental engineer at peabody energy, the worlds largest private coal company, and none of our coal contains benzene
Bnic5 1 year ago
Clean Coal = Clean Cancer = Clean Caskets
DOUGBURK 1 year ago
Clean Coal = Clean Cancer = Clean Caskets
DOUGBURK 1 year ago
People paint this false image of coal power plants belching black soot and carcinogens. The fact is that scrubbing technology has removed most of the harmful flue gas contents. The so-called green technologies are incapable of providing the power that the world needs. If a wind turbine were built in every suitable place in America it would cover an area of land the size of West Virginia; and could only generate 20% of our energy needs. There are two options for our future: coal and nuclear.
Think41ce 1 year ago 2
you dont just use wind as an alternative, solar, biomass, and hydro are all options too. and we need to also consider that our current energy 'need' is over the top, we dont 'need' as much energy as we're consuming- our appetites are out of control and the environment does not need to suffer or be put at risk so that we can keep up our insatiable rate of energy consumption.
Dranectrakon 1 year ago
@Think41ce
That's why we need a combination of wind, solar, wave and hydrogen (SOFC's)
jxvwp 1 year ago
HAHA had to add it but as i saw the recent bad winter storms hit D.C. I wonder if their thinking about global warming? HAHAHA! It's just so funny how ignorant people are....
natean69 1 year ago
@natean69
Funny since that a freezing winter actually fits into the global warming models. According to the models every two years will be extremely hot while the third will be a cold year. If you watched a temperature map over the entire world you'd only see eastern US, mid-Europe and some of china as being colder than normal while every other place it was much hotter than normal.
jxvwp 1 year ago
Acctually co2 is not the most harmful green house gas, hydrogen is. Hydrogen is produced in the water cycle during the evaporation stage. When dumb journalists and these ignorant activists can find a way to stop the planet from renewing it's water supply, then maybe we could focus on coal.
Ignorance must be a bliss everyone proudly displays it.
natean69 1 year ago
it doesn't matter if its the 'most' harmful or not ,its harmful, thats the point, the earth is built to sustain itself and be in a state of balance. when we come along and change variables like millions of tons of co2 that the earth isn't regularly producing itself it changes things.
Dranectrakon 1 year ago
clean coal is bullshit that does not exist i wish they would stop blowing up our state
JakeUpMa 2 years ago
climate gate kinda takes care of mr. hansen. where are the contracts for the scrubbers, and hows that 'hope and change' working for you?
geekworks 2 years ago
you keep dreamin', geekworks. you'll be one less person we'll have to deal with when coal loses it's lobbying power. that's happening right now even though the coal lobby has spent millions brainwashing people like geekworks into thinking there's no AGW.
sTevefor3 2 years ago
they are right
no clean coal but in that time it lets use renewable energy cause that is free except the tools to get it to turn into energy
mlanie1350 2 years ago
The answer lies within the deeps in the earth, go geothermal.
SuperMrBentley 2 years ago 2
You have to remember that water vapor is a greenhouse gas so if we create too much vapor in the atmopshere from geothermal . we will have clmate change. we already generate vapor out of millions of catalytic converters. you sure you want to put moe vapor out in the air?
junkyardnut 2 years ago
mmmm nice point, very good. We have too much steam in the atmosphere.
SuperMrBentley 2 years ago
@SuperMrBentley and too much firewood smoke, too. My neighbor burns firewood everyday . I wonder about what the measurement of soot and particulates is on my immediate property? Nobody is willing to come to measure it here except at airports or irrelevant locations. They measures it at factories but not at residential locations like mine. They just ignore it on intent.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Yes, that must be regulated, there are many residential zones with heavy pollution, My house was near an open waste river, i remembered when there was a methane atmosphere but I get used to it, but the government finally covered the river concrete walls. Now there are some kind of pumps along the ceiling that absorb the methane and turn it into energy Its good to think that that methane will not go to the atmosphere but in a harmless way.
SuperMrBentley 2 years ago
I guess my neighbor need firewood smoke to cover their horrible body odors ..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
@junkyardnut Do we have to add a new definition to the word stupid to encompass how much you embody the term?
Why would I wear thermal underwear you completely inane lunatic? I live in Texas. You know this - I've said it repeatedly. It was 60 degrees today. Stop making yourself look like a moron.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
but, but... but there was a deep arctic freeeze htting Texas last month, right? I mean do you leave your thermostat set at 68 degrees or so? I didint because I completely turned it off straight the clock. I only use a reflective heater to heat any room of my house. That is it. It had been foggy overcast this past two weeks that I am unable to use my solar reflector heater in my backyard. at all. it is a little miserable for me but it will be sunny soon. Turn off your %#$@@^ thermostat
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Again, you're an idiot fanatic. People don't need to stop using central air entirely. They just need to use it more efficiently. You're a nut.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
I am perfectly happy to let you have it your way. I will call my broker and order to buy 100 shares of Peabody Coal. Keep licking your sucker!
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Please do, then when the company goes bankrupt so will you.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
As long as you are still burning firewood , so will we have clean coal technology because it is far superior than your stupid fireplace or woodstove!!
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I don't burn firewood regularly, and even if I did use it for heating and cooking purposes it would be many TIMES cleaner than any BS "Clean" Coal technology.
You're an idiot, through and through. You have some stupid, personal vendetta against your neighbor. Your are an insufferable ass on YouTube, I can only imagine what you are like in real life. I pity your neighbors pity the fate of the world if moronic trolls like you become the norm.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
You will be sorely mistaken for thinking that it is ok to have firewood while we cannot have clean coal technology. It is not going to happen. We are not going to clear up the air enough so that we can contnue to romanticize with firewood , you know.. having sex in front of fires, oooooh! !
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Take your medication.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
Fine with me with your keeping your fantasy about that happening if ever. Most people dont do like you do. Educating them is next to impossible. The easiest way to do it is to tell them to turn it off to save money and energy. We managed to live without central air for thusands of years why now? It is one of the excesses that we have no choice but to learn to live without. it is that simple. But you can make it smalller with room air conditoners which does the same job as good. Whole house?no
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Efficient central air in an efficiency-upgraded home is far better than using individual room conditioners. Where do you get this nonsense?
We also lived for thousands of years without vehicles, trains, bicycles, modern medicine, electrical lights, the computer your typing on nonsensically, and many other things - should we give them all up just because we can? No - we should give up those things that we cannot figure out how to do sustainably. That's all.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
I tore down my fireplace and chimney. Now I am seriously considering pulling out my ductwork and cap all the floor registers permanently. I may still have ductwork but not in the crawlspace or attic but all indoors. Attic and crawlspace is cold or hot . Why wrap insulation around them if you can keep it indoors without worrying about leaks.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Below-ceiling ductwork is far more efficient - it's a great way to upgrade your home for efficiency. Do whatever you can to improve your electricity use - I'd never tell you not to.
But none of it will matter if we don't change where our electricity comes from.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
like how?? by programming the thermostat more intelligiently? or, hmm? , er.. have you cleaned your ductwork lately?/?? Have you sticked your head into it?? and lick up the piling dust in there?
junkyardnut 2 years ago
For someone who talks a lot about the supposed efficiency upgrades they have made and are making to their house, you sure do nay-say it a lot.
You're neurotic and psychotic aren't you? At the least your fickle.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
@junkyardnut And just to add a point - I do own thermal underwear... and I wear it in cold weather.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
even inside your very own home with the thermostat turned off ?
junkyardnut 2 years ago
What? Why are you an idiot?
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
Pand I search and search the Internet for anything or anybody that blogs, complains , dislike firewood smoke but found nothing. What it tells me is that everybody accepts firewood and its associated smoke as if it is holy smoke to be breathed with bliss. Our cultures around the world is so ingrained over the centuries that it becomes a part of our daily living. We becomes so used to firewood smoke that we never really stop and think about the health hazards associated with firewood.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Look up any rain forest conservation program or tree planting program.
And Jesus, stop lying. You're failure and inability to do proper research does not make you right or prove any of your points...
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
I saw on TV that China requires every citizen to plant three trees a year to help soak up the carbon dioxide from the coal fired powerplants as well as cars, etc.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
What? So? That won't offset it (though I'm certainly going to encourage all the tree planting I can).
China is developing more renewable energy than the United States is.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
What you still dont get is that you can no longer pin it on coal alone.. It takes all avenues to combat the glbal climate change... You bored me on clean coal poohs a long time ago.. I would encourage clean coal technologies for the time being.. You simply cannot stop the coal industry in its track overnight.. learn to get along with coal and deal with what comes to you. Eventually, we will look back and be glad that we no longer need firewood, er ... coal , too.. You see? My young man!!
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Go take your medication and stop playing on the internet, you old idiot.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
I saw Exxon Mobil adverisement on carbon capture jingle and I appauld Exxon Mobil for at least paricipating in thier own way whether you or I like it or not or whatever./. Every bit helps.. Thier workers are enthusiastic about finding the best ideas.. May the best ideas win! It is not useful to sling nose boogers at everyobdy you dont like emotionally..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
There is solar powered attic fans on the market.. They sell for $200.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Or there is portable air conditoners. The only problem is there is no way of cooling the hot backside of room or portable air conditoners out of the building which you have to cut a hole on the wall. Architectural designers never consider room air conditioners and they ought to change that. It is doable. Room air conditioners consumes around one kilowatt per room. Central air equipments on the roof consumes far more and cool all rooms unoccupied or not.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
We can use room air conditioners instead of central air conditioning with its ductwork. Developers ought to revise designs of office buildings to allow room air conditioners to be installed in each room so each one can be turned on and off invidually. This would save a lot of electricity. Room air types consumes a small fraction of central air types. Or ductworks should have shut valves in each room to reduce wasteful air flow in all rooms where they are unoccupied.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Look up Toward a Just and Sustainable Solar Energy Industry and look up the TOXIC chemicals used in manufacturing, including Nerve Gas, etc. More deadly accidents and emmissions come from Solar Manufacturing than the entire Pulp and Paper Industry. It's a highly toxic very very dangerous industry that destroys the environment during manufacturing. But the volts produced are "clean?" Are you kidding. How stupid.
aurzada 2 years ago
Not sure what this has to do with coal. But if its not too much trouble please post some links to support the destruction of the environment by the solar power industry. Be sure to include some of those deadly accidents. Thanks.
AlNouveau 2 years ago
Nobody seems to be able to make up their mind.. Long ago, we complained about nuclear leaks, then acid rain, then carbon dioxide and now toxics from solar industry. No wonder, people are throwing up hands and going back to coal and possibly nuclear either way. I think anything toxic or dirty is ok as long as it is regulated as opposed to firewood for example. It may seem tame, but it is clogging everybody's lungs with soot and particulates because of lack of pollution controls. You cannot win ..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
We can whine all day, but the real issue is the availability of any energy source at reasonable prices that any economy will require to grow with stability. We cannot any longer jerk along with oil traders bidding up and down oil prices and whatnots. 7 billion people is competing for anything to power our businesses ahead. It surely will help a lot if all of us wear thermal underwear indoors and turn down the thermostats to 60 F for winter. This will shut up all the naysayers..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I, for one, is most annoyed by firewood smoke above all others , while others are more annoyed by other things in those far away places. We are kicking smokers out of restaurants and malls. We ought to restrict firewood users to occassions instead of daily usage.. I believe this is where we should start because it will do wonders to clear our minds of firewood smoke floating inside our heads..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
We can sell firewood to coal powerplants to compete against coal miners. I dont want firewood smoke in my town .. not healthy because chimnneys and stove pipes have no pollution control mechanisms that is up to par to coal powerplants... Coal powerplants can burn firewood cleaner than our chimnneys and stovepipes..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
As a nation we must stop using fossil fuels and move to solar, wind, and other renewable, green sources of energy. Coal is a dying industry, and the coal companies are fighting hard to survive, but ultimately will lose.
HominyKisses 2 years ago
Dont forget to stop using firewood , too
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I am glad I am not the only one who shudders that these ads. The coal industry is so destructive and dishonest it needs to be phased out immediately if we are to tackle climate change. I'd like to know who will take on the liability for soil subsistence, explosions, etc. from all the CO2 they hope to pump into permiable rock. That is if the rock near the plants is gas permiable. Insane solution. The problem is coal itself.
uk311420 2 years ago
We can sell firewood to coal powerplants to comjpete against coal mining...I dont want firewood smoke in my town..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Them Aholes can wear business swimsuits to work or they can plug the ductwork vent with thick corksheets to choke the AC system on top of the building. Honeywell and Johnson Controls are not making smart ductwork yet.. They are still dumb..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Them Aholes can wear business swimsuits to work or they can plug the ductwork vent with thick corksheets to choke the AC system on top of the building. Honeywell and Johnson Controls are not making smart ductwork yet.. They are still dumb..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
solar modules to replace all the coal powerplants and the others.. I am talking about thousands of square miles that you cant accomplish with rooftop installations alone.. IMPossible! now ranchers and land billionaires are bitchin about new grid lines crossing over their properties.. Go ahead with your rooftop solar ambitions... and we will end up building more coal powerplants than necessary .. This down economy is actually a saving grace for you green people as our demand for power is flat
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I am still waiiting to hear from you about why we have yet to tear down a lousy coal powerplant and replace it with green power. All you guys sang about is rooftop solar and nothing else. You ought to know that it will take much longer with rooftop solars than megasolar farms... Rooftop solars is great , but it would be much faster with megasolar farms at first. Once there, we can concentrate on rooftops. We are going to need thousands and thousands of square miles not acres to install enough
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Firewood usage got popular chiefly because of rising fossil prices since the seventies. Before that, firewood was thought to be obsolete. Air was much cleaner back then even with cars powered by dirty V8 engines. Attempts to create artificial power shortages based on clean coal issues is not going to benefit all of us. Our economy is still in the iCU unit and it is utterly unthinkable to sit on hands and doing nothing about increasing green energy quickly enough. We probably cannot or never.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Capitalists and socialist alike still continue to think that higher fossil fuel prices is necessary to justify more investments into green energy. It seems to me that they are more afraid of ending up looking like sucker fools when fossil fuel prices come down than to wait and getting caught redhanded when fossil fuel prices goes up a lot more again. This is the way your local utility is thinking now.. it merely passes along the buck to ratepayers when fossil fuel prices goes up. Safe politics
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I start wearing thermal underwear here in balmy California during wintertime for past few years. My heating bills plummeted. There must be a reality disconnection between frigid regions and balmy ones here in America . Californians, Arizonans, Texans, Floridans must be mistakenly thinking that they can do without thermal underwear during wintertime. Come to think how many new coal powerplants can be postponed if everyone wear thermal underwear and adjust their lifestyles at home and work.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
many people wear extra clothings to keep warm even in homes in practically all nations in the world to save money or energy. Americans still wear summer like clothings in homes or offices during wintertime and think they just need to rely on smart researchers to design better and more energy efficient furnaces and other home widgets. You see, workers commute to work shivering in unheated trains or buses unneedlessly. They can wear warm thermal underwears all day and keep office temp down.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I have yet to see one single lousy coal powerplant being torn down to make way for a spanking new wind farm or solar park whatsover.. Sure, we dropped scores of new coal powerplants on drawing boards but it was primarily because of the down economy. When our economy recovers, energy prices will zoom much sooner than previous cycles. We simply CANT AFFORD TO SHUT DOWN COAL POWERPLANTS LET ALONE STOPPING BUILDING NEW ONES. At any rate, our green movement is horribly glacial, relatively speaking.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I listen, nod, and agree that coal is not clean but coal is far more efficient than firewood . You cannot tell anybody to go freeze their behinds so that you can meet the carbon quotas.. Numbers can be that easily misleading. Take Bangeldash near India.. Firewood is the mainstay of its economy. Satellite photos routinely show sooty clouds over Bangeldash. I thought why not build coal powerplants there and ban firewood there It would contribute greatly to the carbon reduction dollar for dollar.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
You have to remember that a billion or more poor people still rely on firewood or cow bricks to cook and keep warm. Suppose you replace thier firewood and bricks with coal powerplants or even green power. wow this would help a great deal. Coal is always the scapegoat for the carbon count, because it delivers most of world's electricity. Coal powerplants are constantly added with layers of pollution control systems. For every sooty paritculate, coal delvier far more power than firewood ..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Coal is bad and firewood is bad, too . Which is worse is irrelevant... Firewood smoke is much closer to you than coal. It is much easier to ban firewood than coal unless you can find money to demolish and replace the coal powerplant with green power like wind turbines and solar modules . You have to know the math.. A typical coal powerplant generates 500,000,000 to 1,200,,000,000 watts a hour. If you replace a coal powerplant with fireplaces without any pollution controls. Which is worse??
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Clean coal or not, we still rely on it for 50% of our electricity all over US. California has no coal powerplants , but it gets 19% of its electricity from Nevada or Idaho or Arizona or even Mexico. Everyone is shifting the dirty coal away except my neighbor who continuess to burn firewood upwind of my home..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
My neighbor burns firewood EVERYDAY. No burn days make no difference to me.. It is BURN EVERYDAY to me...
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I think you should pay more attention to firewood smoke which is full of soot and particulates that gets deep into your lungs. It may smell good, but it is bad for your health and environment. The EPA is not going to address this because it is politically impossible... Everyone would be in arms if firewood is banned, but this is exactly what we should do now.. too many of us are burning firewood for goodness' sake..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
You again. Firewood is not a problem. There are far more small particulates from fossil fuel burning, and the sheer volume differences are enormous. The emissions from forest fires are far higher and far more wood is burned during those than from all the campfires and cook fires. If you're concerned about firewood smoke then help stop forest fires and help stop slash-and-burn of rain forests to grow food to feed to cheep beef cattle. Stop eating at McDonalds. Campfires are a red herring.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
If you live next door to a neighbor who uses firewood on a daily basis, you will understand. I would welcome anyone who can tear down a coal powerplant and replace it with alternate energy. So far, no takers... Talk is cheap.. Money talks and walks...Do you have money to do it? You can yap and yap until you turn blue and the coal powerplant will still be there plus my neighbor burning firewood daily. C'mon, get real.. We have not even begun to turn around the ever growing burning of
junkyardnut 2 years ago
You're an idiot and have no idea what your talking about. I'll not respond to any more of your messages. Firewood is nothing compared to forest fires, and forest fires are nothing compared to coal plants. There are alternatives, and over 100 of the 150 recently proposed coal plants around the country have been defeated. As I said - you have no idea what your talking about, nor any comprehension of the difference between fossil fuels and other fuels. Shut up.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
Any idiot would tell you that firewood is a green energy fuel ..... it is not a green environmental energy source by any means.. It pollutes the air and that is the bottom line... Wind and solar doesnt generate any smoke... If you want to use firewood, you can chop some and sell to your local coal powerplant. There, firewood will be burned much cleaner than through your stovepipe or chimney.. FIY, I just tore down my fireplace and chimney last summer to make a point...look for the clip soon
junkyardnut 2 years ago
all kinds of stuff. There is too many of us.. Forest fires is the only one of a few that we cannot control except to prevent idiots from starting it . Lightnings usually starts them. I am not interested in comparing notes like you tend to.. Just stop all kinds of burnings. Every bit counts, period... Coal as well as firewood is dirty period .You simply cannot make any exceptions by saying this is ok and that is not.. You simply cannot.. You are just crazy !
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Over the past several decades. EPA and the Congress enacted laws strengthening pollution controls on coal to reduce fly ash, acid rain, low sulfur coal, scrubbers, etc. Today, coal powerplants is far cleaner than back then... You have to admit that for every kilowatt or equivalent, coal is far cleaner than naked firewood smoke up the chimneys and stove pipes without any pollution controls whatsoever. Even worse, firewood is used in population centers ..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Would you want a coal powerplant on Main Street?You wouldnt.. That is why coal powerplants is sited miles out of population centers to dilute the pollution before it hits population centers, but they are still bad.. To tell me that firewood smoke is ok, is pure nonsense! I am sure that you had seen TV news reporting no burn days and things like that. It is a sign of times to come.. Before too long, firewood will be banned outright,
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Go take whatever medication you are supposed to be taking and stop wasting my time. Burn bans are to keep ground fires from starting brush or forest fires, not because of their emissions. Fireplace fires are still allowed during burn bans. Firewood will never be banned. You're an idiot.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
All enviironmentalists got to own up to the fact that firewood is not a greeny energy or alternate energy source whatsoever.. They will get to 'fess up. In case you dont notice,, we are selling "woodstoves" powered with clean natural gas. Same goes for gas grills instead of charcoal.. There are still holdouts out there.. Eventually, they will be gone..Thereis too many people on Earth and we can no longer allow ourselves to keep burning firewood, charcoal, and eventually coal , of course..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I never said firewood is a "green energy" or "alternate energy source" - nor do I know of any "environmentalists" who think so.
It should not be used for generating electricity or as the main source of heating, unless nothing else is available of course. But it is NOT an issue - go fight against a real problem, like coal plants.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
Oil prices is creeping upwardly which means that we will return to more coal powerplants if we do not start spending money on alternate energy now.. Some people dont care about $10 gasolikne if it comes and still want to stop coal no matter what.. Our economy simply cannot function that way.. how I wish we coudl do away with coal and firewood, too. You are aware that we need TERAWATTS of alternate energy in the comingyears in order to maintain economic growht as well as replacing dirty power.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
If you knew anything you'd know that gasoline and coal power different energy sectors and have little to do with each other. AGAIN, firewood is not used for electricity - another non-issue. You really should educate yourself about some of these things if you want to go around making claims and trying to convince people of things.
You seem all for green energy, and that's great - so stop complaining about firewood and go support renewable energy development.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
We dropped or delayed new coal powerplants primarily because of slow economy. Do not be too quick to rest your laurels on that.. When economy recovers, watch out! You will regret that you didnt do much to grow alternate energy by then. People use firewood to avoid using electricity without any regard for the environment. Our health costs will soar becaue of increased reliance on firewood. Again, you dont understand soot and particulates...
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I can give you an analogy... People are buying fuel efficient cars to gain energy independence only to see idiots driving spanking new SuVs and PickUPs as usual.. Same goes for coal... I agree with curbing coal usage and it also help to cut down on firewood usage all around the world.. Get it all together and fair.. No exceptions ... All must pitch in.. We will get faster results that way.. The climate change we see is happening from carbon emissions decades ago. What we do now has yet to ...
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I complain about firewood because it is not green energy and it is harming my health from my neighbor.. Also, you say that coal is worse than firewood, then we can sell firewood to coal powerplants to offset coal mining. I dont see why not... Coal powerplants are not going away anyday.. You are concerned about mercury, mining runoffs, etc.. I dont care about firewood smoke as long as it is proudced far away from my home..You have to realize that chimneys and stove pipes lack pollution controls
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Read my lips ..... "TERAWATTS NOT GIGAWATTS!' The reason we are "hesitant" to ban firewood is that many people cannot afford utiltiy bills and rely on firewood as a source of energy. I understand that very well. It doesnt mean that we can just ignore it.. The world needs CLEAN ENERGY .. Firewood is not one of them..
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Again you seem to be under the delusion I was suggesting we use firewood for energy - which I never have.
You're nothing but a mindless internet troll as far as I can see.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
Firewood is for energy and you cannot change that fact...
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I am very riducled by the idea of blaming coal solely for climate change and toxins... Firewood is another source of the same bad stuff , more or less too close to us... Our government is constantly working on reducing emissions of all , including firewood. They have no choice but to go slow.. I want faster action on firewood especially on daily users. which is unfair to neighbors having to tolerate that.. It is a form of harassment or nuisance..Firewood is never an exception to the rule.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Well, for myself, it is an issue.. My neighbor is a daily user which is too much for my health to bear. Why is it that everyone is assuming that firewood is an occassional recreational thing.. There is so many daily firewood users out there and nobody is addressing the nuisance ... Same goes for portable gas generators that many is relying on for powering their homes.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
Then that is a personal issue for yourself, and you're entitled to complain about it. But you're on this message board trying to equate that to much larger, worldly concerns about global warming and coal-fired power plants, which dwarf the emissions and problems that come from firewood. You sound like a crazy person - maybe you are, I don't know. But anyone who ignores such massive problems as coal plants to focus on firewood is missing something...
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
Coal is not responsible for 100% of the global warming, but it would be great to get rid of it altogether. It doesnt mean that we can only focus on coal alone. There is countless bad players out there that is responsible, too. What I am trying to say is that we have yet to begin dismantle one single lousy coal powerplant or one lousy chimney one by one... It is business as usual while you do nothing but talk and talk ...
junkyardnut 2 years ago
I never said it was responsible for 100% of global warming, but it is the largest offender.
You keep accusing me of nothing but "talk and talk" while I have helped defeat a number of power plants. What have you done?
People are making a difference. Either get off your arse and help or shut up.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
You keep on screaming that coal is the largest offender, then you said nothing about what we should do about it.. You offered nothing as if we can manage to shut them all overnight. You offer nothing but just popping off champagne corks on the back of laid off workers as a result of our economy screeching to a halt due to the unstable energy supplies. We cannot hire back them until we have secure energy supplies in any form or shape. Even if you stop all coal, we will still not make any dent.
junkyardnut 2 years ago
If you seriously want any answers to any of these questions then private message me. I'm done letting you rant in response to my messages on this thread.
Pandonodrim 2 years ago
I will never private message you, I believe in open forums. I will continue to pummel your brains until you understand that it is not all about coal, peirod. Coal is bad so is many other craps out there. Now, I continue... you have to realize that your constant bombardments against coal give most industries the ammunition or a big excuse to hand out pink slips to workers simply be