If I ever get rich and famous, I don't have to have fast cars...just a bit of track around my sure to be "large estate" and trains...a GP9 will be at the head of the fleet.
@ArcticStarFox Lol what gave you that Idea? Considering SP doesn't exist as a company anymore, no. The WIR is it's own independent branchline/company. The "SP" F unit that they run isn't even theirs, it belongs to a private individual and is leased by the RR. (It's also an ex CN unit)
The cylinder pet cocks are opened, and the engine spun over a few times, because the head gaskets in these units have a tendency to leak water into the combustion chamber. If you didn't purge the cylinder of any water, it would bend the rods, and thereby destroy the engine. Very important to do this. Good Job!
Obviously he is a very cafeful employee...he opened the petcocks on the engine before he turned it over...to purge ANY water that may have seeped into the combustion chamber. If NOT..you can bend a rod...and the engine is toast. Good Job!
And to think a lot of those GP16's started out life as GP7's and GP9's, then Seaboard Coast Line rebuilt their fleet into the GP16's we know of today in their Uceta, Florida Shops.
@SP4449Warbaby This one started out as a CRR GP7, was then rebuilt for CRR by the IGC at the Paducah shops. It is cool that a unit that was built in 1953 is still going today.
@mafarnz Oh I read about those too, those were technically GP11's but the CRR/Family Lines called them GP16's just to unify the fleet and all, I realized that that was the ICG rebuilt GP16 after seeing some key differences.
@mafarnz Probably because the previous roads listed them as a GP16, I ain't trying to sound like I know it all, but I read on the CRR/SCL GP16's and the ICG-rebuilt ones were to GP11 specs but it was listed as a GP16 from there on out.
@mafarnz Is that particular GP16 still in service on that line? It's been a couple of years since this video was posted and you know how things can change.
Eh, they're NOT Power Assembly Torque Valves... They're "Cylinder Pet Cock Valves". They are open slightly in each of the 16 cylinders on a "Cold" start up, or a locomotive that's been siting shut down for 12 hours or more. The Pet Cocks are open slightly and the motor is "turned" one or two revolutions to purge the cylinders of any condensation that could be present, witch could (and will) cause a catastrophic destruction of the engine. They are then closed again prior to engine start up.
@mafarnz I'm an engineer here in South Central Florida and just wanted to correct you... Nothing ill-willed intended. Sounds like the crew was having a go at you. You're ever down here in Florida I'll get you some great video...
Thank you for your very informative answer. I used to work in the auto electric trade (though the word trade is used very loosely as there is no set standard) and I gained a big interest in the mechanics of engines and I never saw those PAT Valves before. Again thanks loads for replying!!
You'll have to ecuse my ignorance but I have to ask, What are the handles that the Engineer is turning between the top half and the bootom half of the engine?
@TJD24tamebandkk Asking questions is always appreciated! The handles are called Power Assembly Torque Valves. What they do is vent the cylinder chamber to the atmosphere so that the motor can be blown down. If you would like a more through explanation, please look up my starting a GP 30 video.
@mafarnz Eh, they're NOT Power Assembly Torque Valves... They're "Cylinder Pet Cock Valves". They are open slightly in each of the 16 cylinders on a "Cold" start up, or a locomotive that's been siting shut down for 12 hours or more. The Pet Cocks are open slightly and the motor is "turned" one or two revolutions to purge the cylinders of any condensation that could be present, witch could (and will) cause a catastrophic destruction of the engine.
The Microsoft Train Simulator gives some basic description of the engineer's controls and their functions, but not enough info for most daredevils to climb into the cab, startup the engine, and drive off with the locomotive, unless the engineer has forgotten to remove the reverser lever. I have the MSTS computer game, the basic version.
You'd be surprised how easy it is to buy a reverser off ebay. (I just got one for example). As I have said before in another video, it is up to the railroad to secure it's power from unlawful entry. You can learn how to start and run a locomotive just as easily as you can learn to start and fly a plane.
Reading some of the comments below I can say that it takes years to get hired with the RR. More then ever with the way things are going. I have been looking for more then a few years. The jobs just dont exist. 4500 people at UP got hours cut and several more lost their jobs.
Yeah, I knwo several guys that are furloughed right now. Give it some time, and it'll rebound, it always does. How long that will take is anybodys guess however.
Railroads often go to great lengths to make sure they DO NOT HIRE RAILFANS, as many "train buffs" have some sort of "emotional short circuit" which causes them to act impulsively whenever they are around the sight/sound of real railroad operating equipment. Having served as an officer and trustee at a tourist rail museum operation, I can speak with some authority that "railfans" can be some of the most dangerous people to have anywhere near a real operating railroad.
That is definitely true of those 'foamers' that have no self control. I know plenty of 'railfans' that work for railroads big and small, the key is that you be able to separate personal life from professional life, which is true of any job.
the majority of "good" railfans would make excellent railroad personel because they would have much more respect and take pride in what they do and live the dream!!!!
@locoman306 hmmm...then you should work with some of the buffs I do. Besides...the company doesnt give a crap about "pride and comittment" anymore. Sure, they want comittment....but dont think you'll get a big pat on the back for much. Dont get me wrong....Ive been with NS for 20 years and love my job but I can tell you that the "dream" that buffs have in their head is not the "dream they'll be living. The RR today is not the RR of the 50's or 60's or so....
@SurfTrip00 I wish I could work for NS but they won't give me a chance!! I've been trying for 5 years with no luck!! Thanks for the comment though.....
So let me get this strait, you are saying that RAILROADS GO TO GREAT LENGTHS NOT TO HIRE RAILFANS because they think they are a liability to the railroad, and the general public? That is a very small percentage of the railfan community, yet you seem to judge all railfans from what a very few have done. If that's the case, i'll withdraw all of my applications. Thanks for informing me of what i have to look forward to.
You couldn't be more wrong... I'm on the board of an all volunteer excursion railroad, brakeman and soon SE, and the guys on our crews who came to us as railfans are often safer in their job performance than retired RR guys who want to cut corners...
I'd like a job in this field :( but seems I dunno how to search for it. I see CSX trains near me but can't find the GA center for it or any other. I fail :o
It can be tough. The hiring process takes about three months, and that's if your accepted the first time. All the guys I know that work for a RR tried for about two years before they got hired.
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you said you have no idea what that stuffs for, if you read the basics of a car under a hood then you might be able to tell a little of whats what, its all the same with a little different dialect.
Correct. This is the carbody of a GP11 however. SCL's GP16's lacked the overhanging airfilter. If this is indeed a GP16, it was upgraded by another railroad other than SCL.
Their No. 318 is the more conventional looking GP16. That one I know for sure is one, this may be with a new block, but it sits in a GP11 carbody. Odd.
Rectangular air box covers and blow out covers would seem to indicate it's a 567B (perhaps with 645 power packs, if that is possible). Nice work, you might want to say something about opening all the cylinder drain cocks, as it's important to drain water out of a an EMD.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. It's amazing how compatible EMD parts were.
I'm actually planning on making a new video of starting this unit, with a complete narration of blow down and start up, and yes, I will explain the importance of the blow down.
great video, i love train and watching many clipps here on youtube, BUT...this was the first time i EVER have seen behind that steel doors...Great vid!!
the square looking box inside the door where you made the comment is the governor. that engine pobably has a woodward PG model. the other stuff in there is the layshaft "manually move the rack to help start the engine kill it ect." oil pressure guage and the start/fuel prime switch... the water pumps are also there under the governor.. wont bore you with the rest of it...lol
An EMD turbo isnt what most people think of as a turbo like what you might find on a Cat or Cummins, rather its more of a cross between a supercharger & turbo.
unlike a "pure" turbo an EMD turbo runs off the rear gear train via an overrunning clutch at idle to medium speed or until the engine develops enough heat energy to drive the turbo.
Thus the turbo will either run as a blower or as a turbo engaging/disengaging off the gear train as load dictates
This system is also used to add oil to the sump from the storage tank and pump out the oil IF needed.
Like I said, this is on a marine app, so I'm not sure if what I said about pre lubing holds true re locomotive app, but all turbo engines will have a soak back system.
Very few people realize the size of an EMD turbo, its something you wanna make sure is getting good oil, pita to swap out.
Wow, cool stuff man, thanks! I had no idea about the soakback pump. I do know that before you start a turbocharged locomotive you have to start an oil pump and let the pressure build, I'm guessing it's the soakback pump. The 316 doesn't have a turbo though, but the other loco that the railroad uses does.
On my tugboat we have 12-645's and I'll normally pre-lube/blow down if shut down over 6 hours,sorta a pita,but its better than having to tell the ops dept I just pretzeled a rod , now have to change a power pack.
As an aside I dont know of any way to automate the blow down procedure, its the same for 567,645,710 engines in any application, all the test cocks have to be manually opened.
Pre-lube is automated, super important for turbos at start-up AND shut-down.
your welcome, one of these years I'll have to do some videos in my engine room.
I have to clarify my statement re pre lube; turbo engines have a seperate auxillary pump to supply oil to the turbo only, its called a soakback pump.
(a small gear pump, the size of a coffee cup)
Any way it is wired into the start circuit to supply oil @ startup and it will continue to send oil to the turbo after shutdown to help draw heat out of the turbo, this prevents "coking" the oil.
This unit was built in 1959, so it is pretty old, and yes, you do have to start it like this every time. Newer units (at least in the US) can be started from in the cab, and the blow down is automated as well.
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I need to know how i can get a train started up step by step. I have a throttle too. So i could move one if i wanted but that would get me in trouble. So if someone could tell me step by step how to start one up that would be great. Oh by the way nice job filming. :)
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Ok lets say i wanted to steal a train. I need to know how to start the engine and get it moving. I know you have to release the brakes and put it in forward and then pull the throttle to the first notch and then that will get it moving. Only thing i dont know how to do is start the engine!!!! JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I AM NOT A TRAIN THEIF ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS HOW YOU START THE F*****G THING!!
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No i just wondered how they start trains. I am not going to steal a locomotive. I have a throttle and i heard thats the only way to get it moving because there is no throttle in there because the engineer takes it out when he leaves the locomotive. So can someone tell me in a simple way how to start a locomotive. You people are not that helpful at all. An engineer would probably tell me how to start it!!
I should mention that the last comment was for compdude957. Why the f**k do you want to know this? Are you a train thief? Is there a convenience store on your local railroad with an ATM that you want, but that can only be taken with a 'geep'?
thats about the dumbest thing i ever heard. u would get it going and not know how to stop it. while i worked for UP in chicago a man was arrested just for being on an idleing unit. hate to see what would happen to you.
Some railfan in Florida (I think) did take a locomotive for a joyride and he regretted it later after the authorities caught up with him. Luckily there was no accident with another train.
It's incidents like that that almost make me not post videos like these. However, I do partly blame CSX for that one. The railroad that owns this locomotive puts padlocks on the doors when the units are tied down, so nobody can get into the cab. The class 1's don't always do that, but in those cases yard security SHOULD be watching for non RR people.
Definitley. I wonder if he learned how to run it on any of those train simulator computer games. While running a real train would be different the controls would probably be the same because they try hard to make those games as authentic as possible. But one things for sure that guy was definitly not your average railfan. He was willing to risk his life and many others so he could have fun. He must have not been right in the head because no normal person would do that. It's common sense not to.
The reason for this is called "Hydrolock" or "Hydraulic Lock"-This required the precaution of opening cylinder test cocks and cranking the engine for a "blow down" check for water above the pistons. Such water would produce a hydraulic lock and break or bend something if the engine were cranked, such as a piston rod or even blow a piston. He then turns over the engine, blows out any water, closes the Flashcocks, then the engine is ready for startup.
Thank you for all the information, a lot of what the crew was saying that day now makes sense, they mentioned something about a blow down... prevent Hydraulic Lock... I didn't really know what was going on though.
What he is doing prior to startup is , opening up the "Flash cocks", for which there is 1 per cylinder. This will vent the piston compression out into the atmosphere, to blow out any water buildup, due to any water condensation collected in the cylinder, as the engine cools after shutdown at the end of the day,...or sometimes, there is the chance of water leaks between head and cylinder liner when the engine cools to ambient temp.
I went down there to see if there was anything there, the crew was gettign their power ready for the day, and I asked if I could film them starting up the power and they said yes.
Preping the engine for start and starting it basically
Rtchugg 4 months ago
@Rtchugg Yeah I figured that out a long time ago. I even made a better starting video, check out starting a GP30.
mafarnz 4 months ago
If I ever get rich and famous, I don't have to have fast cars...just a bit of track around my sure to be "large estate" and trains...a GP9 will be at the head of the fleet.
AssumesAllRisks 6 months ago
is washington and idaho a branch line of SP?
ArcticStarFox 9 months ago
@ArcticStarFox Lol what gave you that Idea? Considering SP doesn't exist as a company anymore, no. The WIR is it's own independent branchline/company. The "SP" F unit that they run isn't even theirs, it belongs to a private individual and is leased by the RR. (It's also an ex CN unit)
mafarnz 9 months ago
I think this engine has root blower, not turbo charged.
burakelitez 1 year ago
@burakelitez That is correct.
mafarnz 1 year ago
The cylinder pet cocks are opened, and the engine spun over a few times, because the head gaskets in these units have a tendency to leak water into the combustion chamber. If you didn't purge the cylinder of any water, it would bend the rods, and thereby destroy the engine. Very important to do this. Good Job!
Shield1751 1 year ago
Obviously he is a very cafeful employee...he opened the petcocks on the engine before he turned it over...to purge ANY water that may have seeped into the combustion chamber. If NOT..you can bend a rod...and the engine is toast. Good Job!
Shield1751 1 year ago 2
@Shield1751, well... thats kinda SOP for every larger-than-car-size engine...
vanbeukenmans 1 year ago
And to think a lot of those GP16's started out life as GP7's and GP9's, then Seaboard Coast Line rebuilt their fleet into the GP16's we know of today in their Uceta, Florida Shops.
SP4449Warbaby 1 year ago
@SP4449Warbaby This one started out as a CRR GP7, was then rebuilt for CRR by the IGC at the Paducah shops. It is cool that a unit that was built in 1953 is still going today.
mafarnz 1 year ago
@mafarnz Oh I read about those too, those were technically GP11's but the CRR/Family Lines called them GP16's just to unify the fleet and all, I realized that that was the ICG rebuilt GP16 after seeing some key differences.
SP4449Warbaby 1 year ago
@SP4449Warbaby The FRA inspection card in the cab lists this one as a GP16.
mafarnz 1 year ago
@mafarnz Probably because the previous roads listed them as a GP16, I ain't trying to sound like I know it all, but I read on the CRR/SCL GP16's and the ICG-rebuilt ones were to GP11 specs but it was listed as a GP16 from there on out.
SP4449Warbaby 1 year ago
@SP4449Warbaby You are correct on that.
mafarnz 1 year ago
@mafarnz Is that particular GP16 still in service on that line? It's been a couple of years since this video was posted and you know how things can change.
SP4449Warbaby 1 year ago
@SP4449Warbaby Yes it is, I just saw it working two days ago.
mafarnz 1 year ago
@mafarnz Good to hear.
SP4449Warbaby 1 year ago
Eh, they're NOT Power Assembly Torque Valves... They're "Cylinder Pet Cock Valves". They are open slightly in each of the 16 cylinders on a "Cold" start up, or a locomotive that's been siting shut down for 12 hours or more. The Pet Cocks are open slightly and the motor is "turned" one or two revolutions to purge the cylinders of any condensation that could be present, witch could (and will) cause a catastrophic destruction of the engine. They are then closed again prior to engine start up.
Rangertom1357 1 year ago
@Rangertom1357 I'm just putting down the information I was given by the train crews, thanks for the correction.
mafarnz 1 year ago
@mafarnz I'm an engineer here in South Central Florida and just wanted to correct you... Nothing ill-willed intended. Sounds like the crew was having a go at you. You're ever down here in Florida I'll get you some great video...
Rangertom1357 1 year ago
Thank you for your very informative answer. I used to work in the auto electric trade (though the word trade is used very loosely as there is no set standard) and I gained a big interest in the mechanics of engines and I never saw those PAT Valves before. Again thanks loads for replying!!
TJD24tamebandkk 1 year ago
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TJD24tamebandkk 1 year ago
You'll have to ecuse my ignorance but I have to ask, What are the handles that the Engineer is turning between the top half and the bootom half of the engine?
Answers appreciated.
TJD24tamebandkk 1 year ago 2
@TJD24tamebandkk Asking questions is always appreciated! The handles are called Power Assembly Torque Valves. What they do is vent the cylinder chamber to the atmosphere so that the motor can be blown down. If you would like a more through explanation, please look up my starting a GP 30 video.
mafarnz 1 year ago
@mafarnz Eh, they're NOT Power Assembly Torque Valves... They're "Cylinder Pet Cock Valves". They are open slightly in each of the 16 cylinders on a "Cold" start up, or a locomotive that's been siting shut down for 12 hours or more. The Pet Cocks are open slightly and the motor is "turned" one or two revolutions to purge the cylinders of any condensation that could be present, witch could (and will) cause a catastrophic destruction of the engine.
Rangertom1357 1 year ago
Have any other videos of locomotives being started?
thehossman1 1 year ago
Yep, check out my videos. I have a GP30 and an FP9 being started.
mafarnz 1 year ago
can they be refueled while running? cuz it would take to long to shut it down and restart again right?
WNxRadeon 2 years ago
Yes, locomotives can and routinely are refueled while they are running.
mafarnz 2 years ago
k thx for the info.
WNxRadeon 2 years ago
The Microsoft Train Simulator gives some basic description of the engineer's controls and their functions, but not enough info for most daredevils to climb into the cab, startup the engine, and drive off with the locomotive, unless the engineer has forgotten to remove the reverser lever. I have the MSTS computer game, the basic version.
greywolf45 2 years ago
You'd be surprised how easy it is to buy a reverser off ebay. (I just got one for example). As I have said before in another video, it is up to the railroad to secure it's power from unlawful entry. You can learn how to start and run a locomotive just as easily as you can learn to start and fly a plane.
mafarnz 2 years ago
Reading some of the comments below I can say that it takes years to get hired with the RR. More then ever with the way things are going. I have been looking for more then a few years. The jobs just dont exist. 4500 people at UP got hours cut and several more lost their jobs.
Foghornleghorn26 2 years ago
Yeah, I knwo several guys that are furloughed right now. Give it some time, and it'll rebound, it always does. How long that will take is anybodys guess however.
mafarnz 2 years ago
Railroads often go to great lengths to make sure they DO NOT HIRE RAILFANS, as many "train buffs" have some sort of "emotional short circuit" which causes them to act impulsively whenever they are around the sight/sound of real railroad operating equipment. Having served as an officer and trustee at a tourist rail museum operation, I can speak with some authority that "railfans" can be some of the most dangerous people to have anywhere near a real operating railroad.
rickzitarosa 2 years ago 3
That is definitely true of those 'foamers' that have no self control. I know plenty of 'railfans' that work for railroads big and small, the key is that you be able to separate personal life from professional life, which is true of any job.
mafarnz 2 years ago
the majority of "good" railfans would make excellent railroad personel because they would have much more respect and take pride in what they do and live the dream!!!!
locoman306 2 years ago 11
@locoman306 hmmm...then you should work with some of the buffs I do. Besides...the company doesnt give a crap about "pride and comittment" anymore. Sure, they want comittment....but dont think you'll get a big pat on the back for much. Dont get me wrong....Ive been with NS for 20 years and love my job but I can tell you that the "dream" that buffs have in their head is not the "dream they'll be living. The RR today is not the RR of the 50's or 60's or so....
SurfTrip00 1 year ago
@SurfTrip00 I wish I could work for NS but they won't give me a chance!! I've been trying for 5 years with no luck!! Thanks for the comment though.....
locoman306 1 year ago
So let me get this strait, you are saying that RAILROADS GO TO GREAT LENGTHS NOT TO HIRE RAILFANS because they think they are a liability to the railroad, and the general public? That is a very small percentage of the railfan community, yet you seem to judge all railfans from what a very few have done. If that's the case, i'll withdraw all of my applications. Thanks for informing me of what i have to look forward to.
greywolf45 2 years ago 2
You couldn't be more wrong... I'm on the board of an all volunteer excursion railroad, brakeman and soon SE, and the guys on our crews who came to us as railfans are often safer in their job performance than retired RR guys who want to cut corners...
captkirk73 2 years ago
that things a beast
bumsdrums 2 years ago
I'd like a job in this field :( but seems I dunno how to search for it. I see CSX trains near me but can't find the GA center for it or any other. I fail :o
shenron89 2 years ago
It can be tough. The hiring process takes about three months, and that's if your accepted the first time. All the guys I know that work for a RR tried for about two years before they got hired.
mafarnz 2 years ago
wow that's a long wait :( oh well. I'm not giving up on this but I am putting it on hold, joining the USAF :). but yeah man thanks for the info
shenron89 2 years ago
BEASTY.
Metalmachinecrush 2 years ago
Great noise:) Diesel power rulezz:)
Tchurzofredka1 2 years ago 4
cool
techphy100 2 years ago
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you said you have no idea what that stuffs for, if you read the basics of a car under a hood then you might be able to tell a little of whats what, its all the same with a little different dialect.
techphy100 2 years ago
I'm planning on doing a new version of this video with narration of what everything is. I have learned quite a bit since this video was filmed.
mafarnz 2 years ago
do they have starters like cars
infinity3jif 3 years ago
You mean like they put in a key and turn it? No, trains don't have keys (except for the padlocks on the cab doors).
mafarnz 3 years ago
no i mean like do they have some sort of a starter motor
infinity3jif 3 years ago
As far as EMD's go they do not have a starter motor. During starting the batters turn the man generator, which cranks the prime motor.
mafarnz 3 years ago
Great clip, thanks. Your comments wern't dumb - i shouldn't think many people have any idea what any of that stuff does in there either :)
ZetanCrisp 3 years ago
Looks like a GP10 to me.
jay611 3 years ago
although they look the same, their different, gp16's were supposed to be rebuilt with 645 prime movers. (I think) correct me if im wrong
locoman306 3 years ago
Correct. This is the carbody of a GP11 however. SCL's GP16's lacked the overhanging airfilter. If this is indeed a GP16, it was upgraded by another railroad other than SCL.
Their No. 318 is the more conventional looking GP16. That one I know for sure is one, this may be with a new block, but it sits in a GP11 carbody. Odd.
jay611 3 years ago
What the hell is a 516? Between the unit number and model, too many 16's running through my head, lol. I meant 567.
mafarnz 3 years ago
Prime mover.
jay611 3 years ago
Rectangular air box covers and blow out covers would seem to indicate it's a 567B (perhaps with 645 power packs, if that is possible). Nice work, you might want to say something about opening all the cylinder drain cocks, as it's important to drain water out of a an EMD.
choirboyfromhell1 2 years ago
You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. It's amazing how compatible EMD parts were.
I'm actually planning on making a new video of starting this unit, with a complete narration of blow down and start up, and yes, I will explain the importance of the blow down.
mafarnz 2 years ago
LOL!
*zoom* "I have no idea what that stuff is for..."
That engine sure started nicely!
Dragon150043 3 years ago
my dad works for a RR and i cant even get this close.. lucky.
LMFDfireman 3 years ago
why not?
micahthatrocks 3 years ago
private property, no trespassing. thats why when i do shoot anything RR related im at a crossing.
LMFDfireman 3 years ago
oh. lol. go to a trainyard. there alway open.
micahthatrocks 3 years ago
i would but its private property as well.. lol im screwed.
LMFDfireman 3 years ago
lol. yea you are. theres no rr museums?
micahthatrocks 3 years ago
nope. nada
LMFDfireman 3 years ago
well. your stuck. if you have a car you can go far out in the desert or something and get locomotives out there. i do it all the time.
micahthatrocks 3 years ago
great video, i love train and watching many clipps here on youtube, BUT...this was the first time i EVER have seen behind that steel doors...Great vid!!
melin1971 3 years ago
Thank you! That's why I posted the video, because a lot of interested people have never seen under the hood of a locomotive.
mafarnz 3 years ago
the square looking box inside the door where you made the comment is the governor. that engine pobably has a woodward PG model. the other stuff in there is the layshaft "manually move the rack to help start the engine kill it ect." oil pressure guage and the start/fuel prime switch... the water pumps are also there under the governor.. wont bore you with the rest of it...lol
CNKILLERCLOWN 3 years ago
Thanks. I don't know much about the mechanics of locomotives, just like what kind of prime motor and the location of the major components.
mafarnz 3 years ago
cool.. thanks for posting...
Tamaslammer 3 years ago
The turbo assy actually encompasses the width of the engine, and per my service manual weighs 1800 lbs. Heavy piece.
Now besides enough oil, the oil in use must be zinc free as the turbo contains some silver plated bearings, which the zinc would destroy.
Turbos that have a faulty clutch will not start or run, just generate black smoke that would make an Alco blush.
In a marine app. normal life span is 25,000 hours, dont know how this would translate into railroadese.
Well, thats all I know.
rad3766 3 years ago
Let me expand on the turbo.
An EMD turbo isnt what most people think of as a turbo like what you might find on a Cat or Cummins, rather its more of a cross between a supercharger & turbo.
unlike a "pure" turbo an EMD turbo runs off the rear gear train via an overrunning clutch at idle to medium speed or until the engine develops enough heat energy to drive the turbo.
Thus the turbo will either run as a blower or as a turbo engaging/disengaging off the gear train as load dictates
Cont.
rad3766 3 years ago
This system is also used to add oil to the sump from the storage tank and pump out the oil IF needed.
Like I said, this is on a marine app, so I'm not sure if what I said about pre lubing holds true re locomotive app, but all turbo engines will have a soak back system.
Very few people realize the size of an EMD turbo, its something you wanna make sure is getting good oil, pita to swap out.
fwiw the 567 in the gp 10 has blowers,
later 567 could come w/ turbos.
Replaced by 645 as of 1965.
rad3766 3 years ago
Wow, cool stuff man, thanks! I had no idea about the soakback pump. I do know that before you start a turbocharged locomotive you have to start an oil pump and let the pressure build, I'm guessing it's the soakback pump. The 316 doesn't have a turbo though, but the other loco that the railroad uses does.
mafarnz 3 years ago
The soakback will shut down when the engine starts and oil pressure is 20+ psi, conversely coming back on @ falling oil press @ shut down.
Switch pressure points and pump run time is adjustable.
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On a marine app. oil can be pumped to the engine prior to start up thru another seperate system (larger pump, 25 gpm).
Oil is drawn from the sump and pumped back to the engine sending oil to all oil galleries
This system has to be aligned manually (6-2" valves) and started manually.
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rad3766 3 years ago 2
Good ol'567,nice.
On my tugboat we have 12-645's and I'll normally pre-lube/blow down if shut down over 6 hours,sorta a pita,but its better than having to tell the ops dept I just pretzeled a rod , now have to change a power pack.
As an aside I dont know of any way to automate the blow down procedure, its the same for 567,645,710 engines in any application, all the test cocks have to be manually opened.
Pre-lube is automated, super important for turbos at start-up AND shut-down.
rad3766 3 years ago 2
Interesting, thanks for the information.
mafarnz 3 years ago
your welcome, one of these years I'll have to do some videos in my engine room.
I have to clarify my statement re pre lube; turbo engines have a seperate auxillary pump to supply oil to the turbo only, its called a soakback pump.
(a small gear pump, the size of a coffee cup)
Any way it is wired into the start circuit to supply oil @ startup and it will continue to send oil to the turbo after shutdown to help draw heat out of the turbo, this prevents "coking" the oil.
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rad3766 3 years ago
COOL
toughcanon88 3 years ago
is this what you have to do to start one of those everytime or is it old? we have emd engines in our frieght locos in the uk, theyre tough beasts!
Sephy69 3 years ago 3
This unit was built in 1959, so it is pretty old, and yes, you do have to start it like this every time. Newer units (at least in the US) can be started from in the cab, and the blow down is automated as well.
EMD's are awesome, they run forever.
mafarnz 3 years ago
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I need to know how i can get a train started up step by step. I have a throttle too. So i could move one if i wanted but that would get me in trouble. So if someone could tell me step by step how to start one up that would be great. Oh by the way nice job filming. :)
compdude957 3 years ago
By throttle do you mean reverser lever? Sorry man, I know how to start a locomotive, but this sounds a little fishy, so I won't tell you how.
mafarnz 3 years ago
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Ok lets say i wanted to steal a train. I need to know how to start the engine and get it moving. I know you have to release the brakes and put it in forward and then pull the throttle to the first notch and then that will get it moving. Only thing i dont know how to do is start the engine!!!! JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I AM NOT A TRAIN THEIF ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS HOW YOU START THE F*****G THING!!
compdude957 3 years ago
so you want to know how to start up a train loco illegaly? or are you trying to play a train sim?
Sephy69 3 years ago
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No i just wondered how they start trains. I am not going to steal a locomotive. I have a throttle and i heard thats the only way to get it moving because there is no throttle in there because the engineer takes it out when he leaves the locomotive. So can someone tell me in a simple way how to start a locomotive. You people are not that helpful at all. An engineer would probably tell me how to start it!!
compdude957 3 years ago
???????????????
PrentonPimp 3 years ago
I should mention that the last comment was for compdude957. Why the f**k do you want to know this? Are you a train thief? Is there a convenience store on your local railroad with an ATM that you want, but that can only be taken with a 'geep'?
PrentonPimp 3 years ago 7
Lol, nice.
mafarnz 3 years ago
thats about the dumbest thing i ever heard. u would get it going and not know how to stop it. while i worked for UP in chicago a man was arrested just for being on an idleing unit. hate to see what would happen to you.
kurtiskeenanubs 3 years ago
Well put.
mafarnz 3 years ago
Some railfan in Florida (I think) did take a locomotive for a joyride and he regretted it later after the authorities caught up with him. Luckily there was no accident with another train.
gp40mc 2 years ago
It's incidents like that that almost make me not post videos like these. However, I do partly blame CSX for that one. The railroad that owns this locomotive puts padlocks on the doors when the units are tied down, so nobody can get into the cab. The class 1's don't always do that, but in those cases yard security SHOULD be watching for non RR people.
mafarnz 2 years ago
Definitley. I wonder if he learned how to run it on any of those train simulator computer games. While running a real train would be different the controls would probably be the same because they try hard to make those games as authentic as possible. But one things for sure that guy was definitly not your average railfan. He was willing to risk his life and many others so he could have fun. He must have not been right in the head because no normal person would do that. It's common sense not to.
gp40mc 2 years ago
The reason for this is called "Hydrolock" or "Hydraulic Lock"-This required the precaution of opening cylinder test cocks and cranking the engine for a "blow down" check for water above the pistons. Such water would produce a hydraulic lock and break or bend something if the engine were cranked, such as a piston rod or even blow a piston. He then turns over the engine, blows out any water, closes the Flashcocks, then the engine is ready for startup.
soohoojrj 3 years ago
Thank you for all the information, a lot of what the crew was saying that day now makes sense, they mentioned something about a blow down... prevent Hydraulic Lock... I didn't really know what was going on though.
mafarnz 3 years ago
What he is doing prior to startup is , opening up the "Flash cocks", for which there is 1 per cylinder. This will vent the piston compression out into the atmosphere, to blow out any water buildup, due to any water condensation collected in the cylinder, as the engine cools after shutdown at the end of the day,...or sometimes, there is the chance of water leaks between head and cylinder liner when the engine cools to ambient temp.
soohoojrj 3 years ago
You don't see many GP-10's running the rails now a days. Thanks for posting this video.
greywolf45 3 years ago
Nice! Btw i didnt think yue comments where dumb and the camera work isnt actualy that bad.
quadking100 3 years ago
Well, thank you.
mafarnz 3 years ago
ya my camera work is probly wors :P lol. How did yu catch this did yu just go out and like they where just sitting there or was it planned or wat?
Coswini 3 years ago
I went down there to see if there was anything there, the crew was gettign their power ready for the day, and I asked if I could film them starting up the power and they said yes.
mafarnz 3 years ago
Thanks, I certainly thought so.
mafarnz 3 years ago
awesome vid
firefighter446 3 years ago
Thanks! Nice vid.
icecardinal 4 years ago