CNN: NEW RFK ASSASSINATION RECORDING!!!

[johnlennon1970]

Like it took 40 years for this too come out!!.......give me a break!!

[tristynleos]

1:00... Obama?

[mcmchugh99]

There are a couple scientific problems with the RFK assassination: the possibility that more than eight bullets were recovered and that RFK was hit from behind while Sirhan was firing from the front.

Just as in the JFK case, there is doubt about how many shots were really fired and from which direction. This is not simply conspiracy theory--a term that should just be written off at this late date--but reasonable doubt that we have the complete picture in either case.

[larrywheels]

scott enyart a high school kid was in position to take key photos and he did just that- snapping photo after photo of the rfk assasssination. his photos were taken from him and many years later he was to get them back from the state archives. but they were stolen from the courier's car at a gas station. just another coincidence brother in a long fucked up false history written by corrupt authorities with interests to protect.

[bajabret60]

So, these people find long lost 'evidence' and make leaps in logic to claim a vast conspiracy. They do the same thing they accuse the police of doing. Half-assed investigation, jumping to conclusions etc.

How many witnesses were in the pantry? Dozens, hundreds? Are they ALL employed by the CIA? Come on, people.

If someone shoots at you in the face, I am pretty sure you would immediately turn around, putting your back to the gun. This is what the WITNESSES said happened.

[ysgol3]

I think Marilyn Monroe killed him.

[Boelcke1919]

I agree with the posts that claim the CIA was involved. We pay for them to protect us from the forces of evil and then one fine day we wake up and discover that our "protectors" themselves went over to the dark side, killed our own leaders and betrayed the trust of the American people. The American people are a fine people and yes, they (we) deserve much better that we get. This pain and grief I have never ever goes away for long. I still remember and I will always feel betrayed.

[Boelcke1919]

Simply put, there were way too many shots (and bullet holes and injuries) for the mere eight shots Sirhan made, and the fatal shot struck Bobby Kernnedy right behind his ear and Sirhan was never behind him. This cannot be denied by honest people and it upsets me that the government would rather lie to us and play us for fools. Shame on them and shame on us for letting them get away with it. We pay for these scoundrels. It makes me sick to my heart. "Thanks" for your disloyalty.

[Boelcke1919]

Unfortunately, we have been too trusting and naive in America. Sorry, but I am not willing to accept government lies any more.

[nykfan97]

Sirhan did fire the fatal shot. Bobby saw the deluded gunman coming at him, and turned into a defensive position. He stopped, but the crowd behind him didn't, and pushed his security into himself and was slammed into the Kitchen Pantry table. Sirhan's gun was 1-2ft. BEHIND Kennedy. Sirhan was a lone gunman, hired by the C.I.A. The CIA probably did this because they knew Kennedy was a threat and would probably do everything Jack was going to do in 1963-1964.

[Schonward01]

Dgware How do you explain the fact the official autopsy stated he was shot in the back at close range and all the testimony from witnesses and reporters said Sirhan was in front of RFK? Think outside the box and don't believe everything your told. Research the facts for yourself. Not the report that was told to everyone. Push yourself to be self educated, not persuaded.

[captainkavern]

@Schonward01

It's so funny. Oswald shot JFK and then was shot by jack ruby/ People say it's a conspiration and ruby silenced oswald before he could tell the truth.ok why not. Sirhan shot RFK and no one silenced him. He even explained why he did it. in a video that is available on youtube. And people like you still think it's a conspiracy? com'on!!! Sirhan did it , period.

[dgware]

What a joke. Every credible authority in this case has said Sirhan's and Kennedy's positions line up perfectly to corroborate the Sirhan lone gun theory.

[RunyonFan]

Not only that, icestationz, but phr34kyy doesn't know the difference between "there" and "their."

[phr34kyy]

I'm surprised anyone is still questioning this, forget the audio.

Their has already been retired CIA agents that viewed the video tapes (can see it on youtube) and pointed out off duty CIA agents in the crowed that should not of been their, people they knew personaly and said themselves had to of been responsible or involved.

This is multiple ex CIA agents publicly pointing other other agents.....look it up...yet nothings come of it.

[icestationzebra509]

@phr34kyy The CIA thing has not been proved. Pick up Shane O'Sullivan's book and you'll find that out. The new audio tape discovery however HAS been proven. It is solid evidence of a second gunman in the RFK assassination and you are wrong -- and ignorant -- to suggest that anyone should forget about it. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[dgware]

@phr34kyy ... nothing has come of it, because the CIA theory is a total sham... with not a single shred of proof to back it up.

[SnipsDelicious]

I have a old reel to reel of this on tape..... worht anything?

[PruszynskiRecording]

Watch other YouTube videos also dealing with Stanislaw Pruszynski's audio recording of the RFK assassination. Key YouTube search words are: RFK Pruszynski

[mizzkyleek]

I think it's pretty obvious that both Kennedy assassinations were a conspiracy. Even without the testimony of these experts it is said you can draw a conclusion of the number of shots fired simply by the number of people injured, It was said in one source that at least 9 bullets were fired simply because of the amount of people hit. I'm sure everything can be argued until your blue in the face, but even looking at the comments below you can see people will believe what they want to believe.

[icestationzebra509]

Most people of reasonable, sound mind who have looked at the JFK and RFK evidence over the decades agree with you that these were both conspiracies (and, I would add, probably executed by the same group). But what's great about Philip Van Praag's Pruszynski recording findings are that this new audio tape is the very first evidence to be STAND-ALONE forensic proof of a second gunman firing in the RFK assassination. Until the recent Pruszynski revelations, all RFK evidence was interdependent.

[icestationzebra509]

The Pruszynski recording evidence is the first item of evidence ever to be TOTALLY INDEPENDENT of all other evidence in the RFK case. It does not require the Noguchi autopsy report or eyewitness statements or anything else. It entirely stands alone, on its own, and it proclaims -- all by itself -- that there must have been a second gun firing inside the Ambassador Hotel kitchen pantry at 12:16 AM PDT on June 5, 1968. It's the most important evidence to ever materialize in the Bobby Kennedy case.

[icestationzebra509]

Consider this. Let's say you were an accomplished expert in the field of audio and in the specific area of gunshot sounds and let's say someone gave you the Pruszynski recording to examine but did not reveal to you which murder was recorded on the tape. After thoroughly examining the Pruszynski tape, you would no doubt find it contained gunshots and that the intervals between some of the shots were too narrow for some of these shots to have been fired from the same gun.

[icestationzebra509]

You, the accomplished audio expert in gunshot sounds, would know immediately that there are at least two guns firing in the Pruszynski recording. That's what extremely close gunshot intervals tell you immediately. Now, since you have not been told that the recording you just examined is from the RFK assassination, all you would know is that there are two guns firing and you would not know whether both guns were held by the same gunman or by two different gunmen.

[icestationzebra509]

Then, let's say, you are finally told that the Pruszynski recording you just examined is a tape of the RFK assassination. Let's say you then do very basic, very elementary research about the RFK case and you find that, low and behold, the only person arrested in the assassination, Sirhan Sirhan, had only one gun with him in the kitchen pantry. Suddenly you realize that you have just confirmed not only that there were two guns firing in the RFK shooting but that there two gunmen doing the firing.

[icestationzebra509]

You were able to reach this very startling, very important conclusion from the Pruszynski recording alone. That's all you had to work with and it's all you needed. You did not require Noguchi's Kennedy autopsy. You did not require witness statements. You did not require reams of LAPD and FBI evidence or Sirhan trial transcripts and exhibits. The Pruszynski tape alone, independently of all other RFK evidence and information, proclaimed to you, the expert, that there were two guns firing. Amazing.

[icestationzebra509]

That's how extraordinary and how important this new Pruszynski recording evidence is!

Singlehandedly, it tells us there were two guns firing in the RFK assassination. And because we know that Sirhan had only one gun, we know that the second gun must have been held by a second gunman!

[mizzkyleek]

haha im not by any means saying its unimportant, its a very important discovery, i just meant to anyone who tried to argue it would just be ignorant because with that recording evidence and the other evidence combined then you'd have to be purely in denial to continue denying it especially after something like the Priszynski recording.

[icestationzebra509]

Indeed, just as you say, those who continue to insist Sirhan was a lone gunman even after understanding all the evidence, including the Pruszynski recording, are quite simply in denial of the truth and reality. You always find that when you confront their arguments and defeat each, one by one, that they either shut up completely or reduce themselves to parroting: repeating empty mantras as if in a thoughtless trance. You saw that happen earlier to jstrahan2. They are simply committed to denial.

[dgware]

@mizzkyleek ... the Priszynski recording is hardly solid proof. It's conjecture... just like every other piece of this conspiracy theory.

[jstrahan2]

Philip Harrison and Professor Peter French of York University - (It should be noted that Harrison and French are ACOUSTICS scientists - Van Praag is an audio engineer - they are totally different areas of science). Additionally, Robert Joling is NOT an acoustics expert - his role was simply in presenting his research into the ballistics evidence. His work was examined many years ago by leading forensics experts and found to be in error.

[bondorango]

Van Praag's analysis has NOT been proven to be flawed by anyone. You're accepting Mel Ayton's and Steve Barber's lies simply because you want to believe them. Ayton's flunkies refuse to analyze the Pruszynski recording the correct way. They are afraid to do so. They know if they do that, it will verify Van Praag's findings. I never said Joling was an acoustics expert (I never even mentioned him, you witless twit). Joling's fine work has never been shown to be in error. Back that up. Source it.

[icestationzebra509]

Jstrahan2 would mix in well with these so-called experts Ayton hired in desperate but failed efforts to debunk Van Praag. Like Jstrahan2, Ayton's pals already had their bogus conclusions set and proceeded in 2006 (not "many years ago") to "support" their already-reached conclusions by purposely conducting a flawed examination -- similar to Jstrahan2's desperate, hopelessly flawed efforts to dig up any crumb that might appear to "support" what he already believes. They're voodoo researchers.

[icestationzebra509]

During the final minutes of the 2007 TV documentary, "Conspiracy Test: The RFK Assassination," Ayton's flunky Philip Harrison is revealed as this maltshop kid with a cheap little pc he works off of. Pathetic. Then the documentary producers force Harrison to admit that he really didn't have all the necessary info about Pruszynski to draw reliable conclusions. He actually admits to this. Damn pathetic -- and hilarious at the same time. I urge everyone to watch "Conspiracy Test" here on YouTube.

[icestationzebra509]

When you watch this 11-part YouTube video series, "Conspiracy Test: The RFK Assassination" you will see what a loser Philip Harrison is. And you will see what a winner Philip Van Praag is. The two Phils... featuring "The Good Phil" (Van Praag) and "The Bad Phil" (Harrison). After seeing "Conspiracy Test," you'll wonder why nutcakes like Jstrahan2 seem almost clinically incapable of grasping the most elementary points that this well-done documentary makes. Clearly, there were was a second gunman.

[jstrahan2]

In the recent news broadcasts, Robert Joling repeats the myth that Sirhan never had a chance to shoot RFK in the back of the head. However, witnesses DiPierro, Romero, Plimpton, Urso and Yaro actually SAW RFK turn to his left to shake hands with Juan Romero and they all actually SAW Sirhan put the gun to the right rear side of RFKs head and shoot. Van Praags analysis has been proven to be flawed by the ONLY acoustics experts who have examined the tape in any great detail -

[bondorango]

You're a liar. There is not one single witness who has consistently said that he or she saw Sirhan fire into RFK's head at point-blank range. DiPierro has said conflicting things over the years and has shown himself to be totally unreliable. And none of the others you name saw Sirhan ever get that close to RFK. I dare you to back up what you're claiming. I dare you to quote for us, chapter and verse, your source material for all of these claims you are making concerning these witnesses.

[icestationzebra509]

He won't be able to support his claims. He's talking entirely out of his butt. With only the exception of Vincent DiPierro, who over the years has clearly shown himself to be suffering from delusions, not one person jstrahan2 names has ever claimed to have witnessed Sirhan put his gun to RFK's head and shoot. Jstrahan2 is one of these guys who's so desperate to score points that he goes out and reads a couple of things on the Internet or in a book, then breathlessly jumps to flawed conclusions.

[dgware]

@jstrahan2 ... you are right. Everyone else is wrong. Sirhan shot RFK. No conspiracy. No 13 bullets. No second gunman. It's a shame that these significant events in American history are being hijacked by all these pretentious conspiracy hacks... who base virtually their entire argument solely on a propaganda film (JFK), a slanted pseudo-documentary or some crackpot book. They certainly aren't based in fact, or reality. People buy CTs because they want to be different. They want to seem smarter.

[captainkavern]

@dgware

Definitely right!

[MiamiIndianTribe]

@dgware why do you watch this then ?

[jstrahan2]

Then where is the stampede of public demand that this investigation be reopened. If such a theory were credible, I would be the first to call for it. You see NOT ONE law enforcement official expressing concern about this. This is from federal on down. Can you even list ONE such official? Even a mentally unbalanced "Jim Garrison" type? I don't think so. That should tell you enough about this "theory".

[bondorango]

Your ignorance knows no bounds. The Pruszynski recording findings were made only recently. There are efforts under way to try to re-open the RFK case based on these findings. Obviously these efforts have only just begun since the findings are so new. But you're an unreasonable, mindless nut who actually believes that, because you're not seeing anything happening right here and now in the public arena, this somehow discredits the Pruszynski recording. That's clearly pathetic, infantile reasoning.

[jstrahan2]

The key phrase is "other experts". To take an example, if 99 experts say one thing and 1 says another, I would strongly favor the 99.

[bondorango]

Again, you show yourself to be a mindless idiot. You jump to the wrong conclusion (based on the flawed Wikipedia article) that somehow 99% of experts disagree with Philip Van Praag about the Pruszynski recording. Mel Ayton's hired stooges are the only ones who disagree with Van Praag, you twit.

[jstrahan2]

Again, you show yourself to be a gullible idiot. Anybody who believes in this insane theory is such a person.

[bondorango]

No, what I've shown is that all your above claims are wrong. That's because this is not about theory. It's about solid, scientific fact. I've defeated every one of your ill-informed assertions and what's insane is your mindless determination to ignore that. All you have left now is to simply repeat yourself over and over, like a brainless parrot. If you had any useful information to provide us, that would be different. But all you can offer are shallow assertions, stated over and over again.

[jstrahan2]

Once again, what you are claiming is NOT fact, but a theory based on slim 'evidence (and I use the term loosely)>

[bondorango]

It's fact. Scientific fact. Your mindlessly repeating over and over again that it is merely theory based on slim evidence does not establish it as such. It only establishes that you are mentally retarded. As does your stupid notion that audio experts Dooley, Pegas and Brixen are idiots for supporting Van Praag's findings but that Ayton and his stooges are correct merely because they believe as you do. Such biased thinking is simply ridiculous.

[bondorango]

First you erroneously assert that Van Praag is the only expert who says the Pruszynski recording shows two guns were fired. Then when you are informed that other experts (Dooley, Pegas and Brixen) support Van Praag's conclusions, you switch gears and mindlessly assert that they must be idiots (simply because you refuse to even consider Van Praag's conclusions). Yours is clearly retarded thinking by an obvious simpleton.

[bondorango]

You obviously have no interest in our getting to the truth of the RFK murder. If you were sincere about wanting that, you would more carefully research Van Praag's work with an open mind. Instead, you simply prefer to keep your mind stuck on stupid (and I use the term "mind" loosely in your case).

[jstrahan2]

From Wikipedia: "In 2007, analysis of an audio recording of the shooting taken by freelance reporter Stanislaw Pruszynski appeared to indicate, according to forensic expert Philip van Praag, that thirteen shots were fired, even though Sirhan's gun held only eight rounds. While this would strongly indicate a second gunman, independent analysis by other experts indicated that there are only eight shots recorded on the tape."

[bondorango]

The Wikipedia article is misleading. It creates the wrong impression that somehow Van Praag is the only expert saying there are 13 shots on the Pruszynski recording and that somehow all other experts say otherwise. This is not the case. While author Mel Ayton's hired guns refuse to do the proper analysis that would inevitably lead them to Van Praag's own conclusions, thankfully others have done proper independent analysis and agree with Van Praag (previously, I mentioned three such gentlemen).

[jstrahan2]

These are NOT scientific facts. Just 'sweeping, mindless generalizations' listening to a poor quality audio of sounds that could be anything. It IS a theory, an a poor one at that. We can do name calling all day, but if anybody truly believes that this recording is proof of a second gunman, it is THEY who are the morons.

[bondorango]

You're an idiot. Films and videotapes confirm the Pruszynski recording's shot sounds all occur at the precise moment when we know the shooting itself is indeed happening. Films and videos further show Pruszynski pointing his mic to the kitchen pantry from less than 40 feet away. Van Praag's conclusion that more than 8 shots were fired is supported by Wes Dooley, Paul Pegas and Eddie Brixen. Due to ignorance, you would have us believe that these three experts are morons. You're simply ridiculous.

[jstrahan2]

Ah, the idiocy of conspiracy theorists!

[bondorango]

Ah, the idiocy of morons like you who make sweeping mindless generalizations. The results of this new Pruszynski recording discovery do not constitute a conspiracy THEORY but scientific FACT. The Pruszynski results establish the scientific fact that there had to have been TWO GUNMEN firing two separate guns inside the hotel kitchen pantry. That alone does not mean conspiracy, since one of the gunman could have been a security guard who fired accidentally in response to Sirhan. Fascinating stuff!

[icestationzebra509]

Bondorango, I agree with you that jstrahan2's comment is an idiotic generalization. I agree with you that the results of the Pruszynski recording analysis constitute scientific FACT and not mere theory. I agree with you there must have been a second gunman firing in the pantry. I respectfully disagree with you that the second gunman (more than likely the security guard you mention) could have fired his gun accidentally. That's too much to swallow. The guard was in on it. This WAS a conspiracy.

[PruszynskiGunshots]

Check out all the other YouTube videos also dealing with the subject of Stanislaw Pruszynski's audio recording of the RFK assassination.

All these other videos can be found by entering three key search words into the YouTube search window. These three search words are: Pruszynski Van Praag

[icestationzebra509]

That's interesting, thanks. How are you listening to it? Straight off your PC with headphones or ...? As an experiment, you may want to listen to all other YouTube videos also featuring the Pruszynski recording shots from the various TV programs done on the subject; this would be just to see if you get the same results as you did here (there can sometimes be subtle differences in broadcast quality between different programs). YouTube search words to find these other videos: Pruszynski Van Praag.

[ajawofcopan]

after the initial shot i hear what sounds like the repeated fire of at least 2 guns - there's a point where the shots are way to close and sound wya too different to be from the same firearm

Ialso heard some idiot say "wow"

[luridplanet]

5:15 to approx. 5:30 - CNN (deliberately?) screws up the audio so you can't hear the shots. If you watch "RFK Must Die", you can plainly hear about a dozen shots, like firecrackers going off.

[icestationzebra509]

Before I pronounce you completely insane (which, trust me, is coming) do explain in detail how CNN is screwing up the audio. You won't be able to do this because this is pure fantasy, but please entertain us by trying to prove your point. Also identify exactly where you're "plainly hearing" a dozen shots in Shane O'Sullivan's "RFK Must Die" dvd. Give us the exact time coordinates for when these "dozen shots" are so clearly heard there. Again, you won't be able to, but please amuse us by trying.

[luridplanet]

I don't have to prove it - the recording has been scientifically analyzed twice already. I take it you never watched "RFK Must Die" - it's on youtube now. And spare me your patronizing tone - it's childish

[icestationzebra509]

Your claim that CNN screwed up the Pruszynski audio is fantasy. You offer nothing to back that up. Your claim that 12 shots are clearly heard in "RFK Must Die" is also pure stupidity. There is never a time during Shane O'Sullivan's dvd when we clearly hear 12 shots. Try to understand something: The Pruszynski recording does in fact prove a second gun. But proper scientific analysis of it is not done with the naked ear alone. No one can clearly hear all the shots by simply playing back the tape.

[icestationzebra509]

The 13 shots are definitely there. But neither you nor I (nor anyone else) can hear all 13 shots in the Pruszynski recording simply by putting on headphones and playing back the tape. That's why your claims about CNN and about O'Sullivan's dvd are stupid. CNN presents the Pruszynski recording as it can be heard with the naked ear (there's no screw up of the audio). If you listen carefully, you can hear SOME of the shots. You can't hear them all. That's why we need Van Praag's marvelous analysis.

[icestationzebra509]

Van Praag found 13 shots in the Pruszynski recording (5 more than Sirhan could have fired). He also found two groups of double-shots (fired too closely to have come from one gun). He was also able to separate the 13 shots into 8 coming from one weapon (Sirhan's, no doubt) and 5 coming from another(the second gunman's). Van Praag's analysis of the Pruszynski recording is brillant but occasionally undermined by fools who think they should be able to hear 12 or 13 shots simply by listening to it.

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[PruszynskiRecording]

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[pauleycamerieexodus]

For more info on this, check out the YouTube video, "RFK Must Die epilogue"

[Runinfox]

People find and look at the Conspiracy of Robert Kennedy that was produced Years ago and which could have been checked out at Blockbuster BEFORE they changed over to CD's. It has the WHOLE story that was known Very SOON after the Assassination. WE Know which gun was used what it's serial # IS and Who owned it BUT denied owning it. It was a Very Easy open and Shut case as WHO did IT. The Question IS why IS the TRUTH Not KNOWN

This Smells of MKultra(and was)The Handler IS even KNOWN..

[saintsubversive]

I agree, Thane Eugene Cesar was obviously the person that fired the fatal shot. The evidence is overwhelming.

[jandav1981]

I like how there was video that was part 2 of the assassination happened video -was deleted. There was an admission of someone saying the fatal shot was fired from the security guard. Now it is no longer on youtube

[bigjohnmac]

RFK couldn't possibly have received his fatal wound from Sirhan unless he turned his back to him. One thing that has never been disputed is the medical examiner's conclusion that the fatal shot was fired about an inch and a half from the back of RFK's head. According to the closest witnesses, Sirhan was 4-6 feet from RFK and he was in FRONT of him. A security man behind RFK may have fired the fatal shot (either by accident or by a cleverly designed conspiracy)

[Bowwowwowwowwow]

Exactly so. Well-stated. I would only add that, as you know, we're not just talking about the one fatal wound to the back of RFK's head but also two other shots to his body from behind and a fourth bullet, also from behind, that passed through his suitcoat's right shoulder pad. All four RFK shots were fired from back to front, from right to left, at upward angles and at point-blank range. So it would have had to be one hell of an accident for all four RFK shots to have been fired by mistake.

[bigjohnmac]

Cesar had ties to organized crime and was in the perfect position to fire the shots. There are two pieces of solid evidence which seem to indicate that Sirhan was programmed "Manchurian Candidate" CIA-style to kill RFK. Sirhan's repetitious pre-assassination notebook entries--"RFK MUST DIE" are a classic sign of mind control. Another strong indication--witnesses at the shooting scene say Sirhan's facial expression was blank, totally glazed, and he was appeared calm and very collected.

[Bowwowwowwowwow]

Exactly. Also interestingly enough, while he was awaiting trial, Sirhan demonstrated in several ways, through sessions with experts behind bars, that he was a perfect subject for hypnosis.

[goliath07]

@bigjohnmac There were 9 bullets re*covered. Sirhan had an 8 shot gun. Is that really hard to understand? BTW, CIA Section Chief E. Howard Hunt (The character Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible was created after him) admitted on his deathbed that he was a bench warmer on the JFK assassination. But keep drinking that kool aiid.

[Dogheadj]

For those of you who haven't done so, I suggest you research Eugene Thane Cesar, the security guard who was immediately to the right and behind RFK as he moved through the pantry. There are numerous witnesses, and the testimony of Cesar himself, that he had drawn his gun, fallen backward, and "possibly" fired. Think about it. The shots came from behind in an upwards position. Sirhan was never in such a position. Do your homework, and come up with your own conclusions regarding the triggerman.

[Bowwowwowwowwow]

Well-stated. I would add the following which also contribute to the suspicion concerning Cesar: he gave conflicting accounts concerning his pulling his revolver from its holster; and he lied, falsely claiming that he had sold his one and only .22-caliber handgun months before the RFK shooting (when, in fact, it was eventually proved that Cesar didn't sell his .22 handgun until three months after the RFK shooting). Cesar's handgun, by the way, has been recovered and apparently awaits testing.

[bigjohnmac]

Then we have the reports of the woman in the polka dot dress exclaiming in glee "We got him , we got him"! They call it excited utterance, which is very damning. I think the fact that Sirhan has no memory of the event is significant and fits in with CIA assassination scenarios using a Manchurian Candidate

[Bowwowwowwowwow]

She was quoted as uttering "We shot him" (not "We got him"). Such instances -- whether reports of a girl seen with Sirhan before the shooting and who may be the same girl purportedly heard making those utterances after the shooting, or Sirhan's claim for 40 years that he can't remember the RFK shooting itself -- indeed raise suspicions of possible mind control (with the girl perhaps acting as Sirhan's "trigger"). But the clincher is the physical evidence together with the Pruszynski recording.

[Dogheadj]

Thanks, Bowwow. However, I misstated Cesar's name in the previous post. It should be Thane Eugene Cesar (dyslexic moment, I guess).

He admitted at the time of the assasination that he was no fan of either JFK or RFK because they had given everything, including our country, to the minorities with their civil rights push.Cesar now lives in the Philippines.Hmmmmmm......

[jose65536]

Why does it show other clips that are not about the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy?

[icestationzebra509]

You obviously don't know very much about this event. Every single clip shown in this video is about the RFK assassination.

[wwwKyronCl]

What does it take for US ppl to open their eyes?... you see evidence like this everyday, but yet nothing happens.

The worst blind is the one that doesnt want to see.

[Sanders83]

You hear so many conspiracy theories and they're all complete tosh. If there was a second gunman in a room full of witnesses, one which has been combed by balistics repeatedly you wouldn't hear about it 40 years later from some bad audio recording. Same thing with JFK. 3 shots fired. Fact. But an audio recording (proved invalid) supposedly reveals 5.

[icestationzebra509]

This is not a conspiracy theory. This is science. It's not about speculation and guessing (which is what you are doing). It's about scientific analysis of an audio recording of this event. Concentrate. Focus.  Think. And understand.

[Sanders83]

Don't worry, I am. I think, like with the JFK recording, the audio is deceptive. After reading a book on the subject which clearly states no more than 8 shots were fired and backs it up with solid evidence my mind is made up. This doesn't sway me. 8 shots, 8 bullets recovered, all proved to have been fired from the same gun and bullet holes (including ricochets) accounted for. Their evidence is interesting, and we should be happy that people like this exist. We'd be in the dark without them.

[icestationzebra509]

Don't worry, you are WHAT? You say you THINK the RFK audio recording is deceptive. You THINK because of what we now know about an entirely different audio recording (a Dallas police tape)in an entirely different case (the JFK murder) that therefore it can just be assumed a newly-uncovered audio recording in the RFK assassination must be deceptive? THIS is how your THINKING operates? Well, this kind of THINKING wouldn't pass a seven-year-old's IQ test (with apologies to seven-year-olds).

[icestationzebra509]

Sanders83, thank God you do your THINKING (and voting) in the UK, not the US. Better informed citizens than yourself realize one must familiarize oneself with a subject before passing judgement. Before reaching a conclusion about the Pruszynski recording, you really should expend some energy to learn more about it, and more about the RFK assassination itself, by reading "An Open And Shut Case." So Google that, go to the web site and order the book. You won't, of course. But perhaps others will.

[icestationzebra509]

First you say after reading just one book (probably Moldea's) you now know everything about the RFK case; yet you can't even absorb the facts from the one book you've read (LAPD claimed only 7 bullets were recovered not 8, Sanders). Anyone with half a rational mind can see your THINKING is outrageously narrow-minded. There are plenty of other books and plenty of evidence detailing why there were MORE than 8 shots fired, MORE than 8 bullet holes at the crime scene and MORE than one gunman.

[Sanders83]

More than 8 bullets equals ricochets. I did say that. Try reading. I'm glad you're voting in the US as we don't want over opinionated people who jump off the handle like you just have. You misunderstood my comments about thinking. I do think about things. No one "knows" everything. Least of all you.

[Sanders83]

Or more than 8 bullet holes rather, my typing error above. I'll do some research, and I'll avoid anything from Moldea as you obviously don't rate him.

[icestationzebra509]

Sanders, try reading and understanding this: This is not about bullet ricochet marks only. There was but one ricochet mark found in a door hinge and at least 5 bullet holes in door frames, dividers and jambs. FBI agent Bill Bailey saw actual bullets still sitting in two of those 5 holes. So that's at least two actual bullets spotted in addition to the 7 bullets pulled from victims. If you will move beyond your one and only book on this subject and read more about all this, you'll be amazed.

[icestationzebra509]

It's truly amazing to realize that in addition to the bullet holes in victims' bodies (accounting for 7 bullets according to the LAPD) there were at least 5 bullet holes and 1 bullet ricochet mark in door woodwork and an unknown number of bullet holes in ceiling tiles (the tiles were quickly removed from the scene). That and other physical evidence, Sanders, points to more than one gun fired in the RFK assassination. The Pruszynski recording fits all this like a hand in glove. Check it out.

[Sanders83]

I've had a look at the website. I will do. Will there be any further repercusions of the audio recording or will it be swept under the carpet?

[icestationzebra509]

Sanders, glad you've gone to the AnOpenAndShutCase web site to expand your knowledge of the RFK case in general and the Pruszynski recording in particular. I hope you'll order the book. I hope you'll read other books too (RFK books by Philip Melanson for example). I recommend that here at YouTube you view all videos that come up from doing a YouTube search with the following key words: Van Praag Joling. There will be information on these videos concerning repercussions from the audio recording.

[icestationzebra509]

Specifically concerning repercussions of the Pruszynski audio recording, check out all recent YouTube videos (those published this year, 2008) featuring attorney William Pepper or RFK shooting victim Paul Schrade. Both Pepper and Schrade have done interviews recently in which they've discussed the next steps to come concerning the Pruszynski recording and other RFK assassination evidence. Glad to see that you are now willing to dig deeper into this. I applaud you for that.

[icestationzebra509]

Sanders, don't avoid Moldea. While I don't rate him, I don't recommend being opinionated and closed-minded. So read Moldea but also read those who disagree with him. Weigh it all for yourself after being sure to look at everything instead of just the one book you've seen. That's the point I'm hoping will register with you. Thinking you know it all now and can dismiss things (including the Pruszynski recording) that don't gel with your hastily-reached opinion is no way to do this intelligently.

[Sanders83]

Have you heard the results of the investigation by Philip Harrison? Seems he disbelieved the recording and thought the extra shots we the microphone making contact with something. I'll see if I can find anything else. Really would be interested to find out all the ballistics evidence.

[icestationzebra509]

If you'll watch the YouTube series of videos from the Discovery Times Channel program, "Conspiracy Test", you'll see Harrison had no idea what he was talking about. Look at Part 10, go 1:46 into it and you'll see the program pretty much makes a monkey out of him. First, as you'll see in the video, Harrison didn't have all the facts when he reached his conclusion. Secondly, it looks like he does his analysis off his kitchen table. Go to... [Part 10 of 11] CONSPIRACY TEST: THE RFK ASSASSINATION

[Sanders83]

I've favourited it. I'll give it a run through later if I can. Cheers

[icestationzebra509]

Sanders, you're a good man for being willing to learn more. I'd recommend first watching Part 10 of the YouTube video, "Conspiracy Test: The RFK Assassination" just to quickly answer your question about Philip Harrison's ridiculous position on the Pruszynski recording. Then I'd recommend that entire 11-part YouTube video series (which are easily found, Part 1 thru Part 11). Don't forget to update yourself on the latest by watching the William Pepper and Paul Schrade interviews on CNN.

[Sanders83]

Very interesting. Would it be advisable to allow Harrison access to the extra information regarding the movement of the mic and the master copies? I'd like to know if he'd then agree with Van Praag.

[icestationzebra509]

It's hard to say whether that alone would be enough. It is also essential that Harrison be competent. So it's hard to say.

[icestationzebra509]

One can provide all possible info to a so-called expert and he can still screw up. So if Harrison's methods are unsound, it won't matter what he's provided as he'll get it wrong anyway. What's essential is that the expert lay open to everyone his methodology. Harrison hasn't done that (which is suspicious) but Van Praag has done that. Van Praag and Joling have completely laid open their analysis and methodology to the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. Their paper will be published soon.