try this geometry class on cables and sockect, it will come out. Eh. people with triangles. Salvation is all about being Saved by Grace Through Faith Unto Good Works. I don't people why people have a problem with The Sabbath and not the 9 commandment "you people are suspcious and your Christianity is Questionable". But Since I love Jesus I will Worship Him Even More on the Holy Sabbath. Happy Sabbath Brother. Remember not 2 steal. it is part also Your so called old Law
if the Blue Law will be strictly enforce in America and the CUFI get win their will be mass distruction with the sabath keeper... but as for me i will served the TRUE REST DAYof GOD which the seventh day-saturday Sabbath and not the Lords day-sunday... the logo doesnt work with my salvation... John 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY commandments.
If there is a law to enforce a day by Antichrist Beast -- it will be Sabbath -- A BLACK SABBATH. He uses the Jewish Temple as his backdrop when he declares himself 2B "god"-- 2Th 2:3-4/Mat 24:15-16/Dan 9:27. So he will claim to be the "god" of that Temple as well as all its articles. The 10C's will be a handy tool for him to use to enforce worship to himself only C's 1-3. He use the 4th C to promote his MARK as...
"The Seal of God" -- Just as SDAs have prepared you to accept.
John 14:21 He that hath MY commandments, and KEEPETH them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Isaiah 66:22-23 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
This part of Isaiah 66 concerns the "new earth" -- not of the old creation. We do not know if the new moon will have the exact same phases in a new heaven. And, likewise, we do not know what day God will "rest" when He recreates that new earth.... do we?!
@ROBINHOODSARROW What does the moon have to do with it. God says we will still worship Him on Sabbath in the new earth. It's clearly a day of the week. Sabbath was not done away. It honors the CREATOR, not the devil. 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
@ROBINHOODSARROW your arguments are weak. The Word means what it says even if you don't have full knowledge of it. Jesus said He is LORD of the Sabbath, not over/under or around it. HE is GOD, you are a mortal man and man was MADE on the 6th day, the Sabbath was MADE for man on the 7th day of creation Mark 2:27. Paul makes it clear in Hebrews 4:4-12 the 7th day was created for man to REST as JESUS rested which is the meaning of Shabbat. Early gentile church kept Shabbat Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42,44
@1978dagreat if the Blue Law will be strictly enforce in America and the CUFI sound great in america their will be mass distruction with the keeper of the 7th Day sabbath but as for me i will served the TRUE REST DAYof GOD which the seventh day-saturday Sabbath and not the Lords day-sunday... the logo doesnt work with my salvation
for your in formation, the name ellen means bright or shine,(in greek).... so, God sent her to humankind so that she can lead them to real truth..which is to read and follow the bible fully. and also, sabbath is not on sunday, but on saturday. human change the calendar and the day system. God bless us all..
"Follow the Bible fully" to you means -- trying to submit simultaneously to both Old & New Covenants. Jesus likened that to trying to sew a new piece of cloth onto an old garment. And He said such efforts to be like trying to pour NEW WINE [New Covenant] into an OLD WINESKIN [Old Covenant] Mt 9:16-17. Paul defined such efforts as spiritual fornication with the Bond Woman [Gal 4:23-31]. We're not only to cast her out -- but also her offspring. It's falling from grace Gal 5:4.
True, Sabbath is not Sunday. The New Covenant Sabbath Rest was redefined by the author of Hebrews as "To-day" -- the only way to define a 24/7 rest in terms of days Heb 4:7-10. If we are in Christ -- we are a "New Creation" -- because of our new spiritual birth. The Sabbath rest of the "New Creation" is in our hearts where we simply cease from our own works toward salvation.
Yes, SDA's do claim grace with their mouths -- but the Investigative Judgment proves that 2B a lie.
All the world leaders applaud the Seventh-Day Adventists. You even hear it in their speeches. First President George Bush, then Senator Hillary Clinton -- and now even Barack Obama! So, you are wrong. The the world does not hate SDA's -- it loves them -- a sign that YOU are on the wrong side!
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets Luk 6:26
I am but a small voice that sees through the SDA's strong deception.
@ElmarShane Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 19:10 ............ I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the "spirit of prophecy."
Behold, I will send you ELijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
I always find it interesting that most of God's prophets have the EL in their name. EL is of course the name for God. ELlen White. Just find it interesting.
whats wrong with sda go worship jesus and stop worry about things you can't change, jesus is the sabbath don't you read your bible, col 2:16 rom14:5, matt 11: 28-30 no one are perpect of there own only the life of jesus can bring us through, we can't dont it of our self. sda teaches that the sabbath save, im i lieing? ok then if i worship God on any orther day what will happen to me in the end? jesus save my friend so plz look inside your heart man, you're not better than anyone else
@GodwinJnr1 The choice of the Church's logo reflects the core values that Seventh-day Adventists are committed to. The foundation is the Bible, the Word of God, shown open since its message must necessarily be read and put into practice. Central to that Biblical message is the Cross, and is also central in the logo. Above the Cross and the open Bible is the burning flame of the Holy Spirit, the messenger of Truth.
The foundation of the SDA Church is Ellen G. White's Investigative Judgment doctrine. It began with this "explanation" for the Great Disappointment contrived by her and falsely confirmed via vision. Other doctrines unique to SDA's were created to continue justifying belief in the IJ doctrine. The soul-sleeping doctrine had to be created to reject souls going directly to Christ -- all because they couldn't let anyone think souls were in heave before judgment began in 1844.
Plus, have you not heard of the exoteric and esoteric meaning of logos?! The "explanation" you've been given is the one intended for the masses to accept -- offering them plausible deniability [exoteric]. But, the REAL MEANING is esoteric so that those in the illuminati classes can recognize "they're secretly one of us!" The inverted Cross -- the hexagram -- the pyramid -- the 666 flames -- THEY SEE! SDA's joined their ranks after offering their sacrifice to Lucifer at WACO.
@ROBINHOODSARROW It's not the foundation but it is a special doctrine, but biblical. Do you not think you were will judged? Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man
@ROBINHOODSARROW Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
@ROBINHOODSARROW 1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, & the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 22:12 & behold, I come quickly; & my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
@ROBINHOODSARROW Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Psalm 58:11 So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.
@broadaorb Daniel 8:14And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. 15And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. 26And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.27And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and.....
@broadaorb Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times Ezra 7:21And I, even I Artaxerxes the king, do make a decree to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it....
@ROBINHOODSARROW Daniel 9:26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Daniel 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (threescore=60 days,in prophecy a day is for a year) Ezekiel 4:6 ......... I have appointed thee each day for a year. A.D. 34
@broadaorb Artexerxes made the command to rebuild the temple in 457 B.C; 2300 days begin then. 483=69 1/1 weeks - the Messiah, A.D.27, Christ crucified A.D.31, 70 weeks A.D. 34, That was 490 years. 1810 years remained from A.D. 34. Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
@ROBINHOODSARROW (Dan 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (Dan 9:25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and....
@ROBINHOODSARROW two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (Dan 9:26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (Dan 9:27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the.....
@ROBINHOODSARROW sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
From these verses we get first the starting point of the time prophecy: the going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. We need only find that historical date, and all of the other dates fall into place. In 457 B.C., a decree was granted to Ezra by the Persian emperor........
@ROBINHOODSARROW....Artaxerxes Longimanus. A copy of the decree is found in Ezra 7. All ancient dates are confirmed by reference to the canon of Ptolemy, which is based on the dates of a score of eclipses, and so we know them for certainty. So the dates of Daniel 8 and 9 beginning at B.C. 457 can be easily calculated:
@ROBINHOODSARROW.....A review of the traditionally accepted dates for each of the events mentions shows them to have been fulfilled precisely. The city of Jerusalem was rebuilt in B.C. 408, the coming of Messiah the Prince was fulfilled at Yahushua's baptism in A.D. 27, the Messiah was cut off by his crucifixion in A.D. 31, the 70 weeks cut off for the Jewish people ended when the Sanhedrin officially rejected the Messiah and in evidence of it stoned Stephen in A.D. 34,.......
@ROBINHOODSARROW ......... and finally Christ stepped into the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary to make atonement for sin in A.D. 1844. When that work of cleansing the sanctuary is finished, Christ will return as promised. But there is no date given for that event. You have to study the old sanctuary ritual to see the lamb was slain and then the priest went into the holy then most holy place. At the end a scapegoat was let loose into the wilderness as a symbol of sin being gone forever
@ROBINHOODSARROW the scapegoat didn't cleanse the sins, but it took them away forever so there would be no more sin. Christ was the lamb whose blood cleansed the sin, but the scapegoat at the end was sent into the wilderness like Satan will be finished and there were be no more sin. The lamb's blood cleansed the sins, but after the ritual of everything, then the day of atonement ended. You are to study the old sanctuary rituals because they are a shadow of things to come. atonement x1 per yr.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
The foundation of the SDA Church is a failed 1844 prophecy -- and a false prophetess who turned it into the false Investigative Judgment doctrine. None of it is taught by Jesus -- nor is any thing like it found in the Bible. The 2300 days prophesied by Daniel are LITERAL DAYS. He even calls his prophecy a vision of EVENING & MORNINGS. The vision confines it to that. It's a prophecy about the 70th week promised to Israel -- and is seen resumed in Rev 7:1-8. You're deceived.
@ROBINHOODSARROW The foundation of the Seventh-day Adventist church is the second coming of Christ aka advent and the Lord''s Day which is the Seventh day which is Sabbath. We do not follow the law of Constantine and serve on the day of the venerable sun, which is sun worship aka Sunday. That is Pagan in origin and we don't serve the traditions of man, but the law of God. God brings his reward with Him the Bible says, so we know He is now judging. In thousand years, the saints will review.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
The first lie -Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
We do die and our breath or spirit goes back to its source, but our soul or thoughts and body, go to the grave also referred to as hell. There is no burning place called hell. Hell is death. At the resurrection, we are raised from the grave, we do not go straight to heaven and we do have new bodies.
@ROBINHOODSARROW 1 Cor 15:52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: .. & the dead shall be RAISED incorruptible, & we shall be changed.-If the dead are raised at Christ's second coming, that means we do not come down from heaven, for we are resting in the grave. 1 Tim 6:15He shall shew, who is the blessed & only Potentate, the King of kings, & Lord of lords; 16WHO ONLY HATH IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom NO MAN HATH SEEN, nor can see
@ROBINHOODSARROW Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, & they sat upon them, & judgment was given unto them: & I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, & for the word of God, & which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; & they lived * reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
@ROBINHOODSARROW 1 Peter 4:6Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
@ROBINHOODSARROW Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
@ROBINHOODSARROW Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
@ROBINHOODSARROW Galations 5:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
@ROBINHOODSARROW William Miller made the prophecy of Christ coming in 1844. William Miller never accepted the Sabbath and the SDA church was not formed in 1844. Ellen White was a teenager in 1844 and she had nothing to do with William Miller's prophecy. The SDA church was formed in 1863. Wm Miller was a Baptist. Ellen White was a Methodist in 1844. She was born in 1827. Obviously you are not studying since your facts are wrong, so maybe if you study the source, you might come to the truth. PTL
@ROBINHOODSARROW Christ is now judging. At His coming, He brings His reward with Him. When the dead in Christ arise at the first resurrection, they go to heaven for a thousand years to review the judgment so they can see why loved ones not there were lost. I have given you the Bible verses to back that up. Miller thought the cleansing of the Sanctuary meant Christ came, but it was when Christ starts judging at the house of God, His people. Study the Sanctuary service in Moses day to understand.
@ROBINHOODSARROW The priest in the days of Moses took the blood of the lamb that was slain and sprinkled the blood for cleansing and when he went into the holy of holies & he made intercession for the sins of the people. This was the day of Atonement. Afterwards, they sent a scapegoat out into the wilderness that was a symbol of sin being gone forever. The slain lamb cleansed the sins, but the scapegoat represents when sin and Satan are destroyed forever. Unrepentant sinners aren't saved. Obey!
@ROBINHOODSARROW On the day of Atonement, the lamb is slain, the blood is sprinkled, intercession is made on the behalf of sinners, this is judgment, then they are laid on the scapegoat to be sent forever into the wilderness. The slain lamb in Christ. His blood cleanses us. Aaron the priest represents Christ now making intercession for us, i.e. judgment is happening, and finally the sins are laid on the scapegoat to be gone forever i.e. Sin/Satan which then ends the day of Atonement.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Atonement was made for us by Christ, but the day of Atonement is not over until sin and Satan are destroyed. The scapegoat represents when God will destroy sin and Satan forever in an unquenchable fire, i.e. a fire man cannot put out, but it burns into all is burned up. It's not an everlasting fire. Sodom and Gomorrah were described as burning forever, but that fire ended when all was consumed. Purgatory is not Biblical.
@broadaorb Stop writting all that foolisness man, the old sanctuary was all physical but Gods sanctuary is spiritual, once you die you're already judge, the dead in christ shall rise first, its finish man we're just waiting for christ to make his return, our sins are forgiven its not in no book in heaven, we were made perfect by the life of christ. remember we're perfect in the sight of God, so clear your mind of all their teaching, just open the bible read the N.T. first then O.T.
@ROBINHOODSARROW The Bible tells us that when God speaks of future events, He gives us a day for a year. But past events a day represents a day and during Daniel's vision, he was having it over a day or days and not years. Ezekiel 4:6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. 7... of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Prophecy - Ezek 4:6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. 7 Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.
Event- Amos 2:10 Also I brought you up from the land of Egypt, and led you forty years through the wilderness, to possess the land of the Amorite.
@ROBINHOODSARROW These verses might help you with how the earthly sanctuary reflects the heavenly sanc: 2 Chron 30:19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary.
Eze 45:18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, & cleanse the sanctuary:
Dan 8:14 & he said unto me, Unto 2300 days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
@ROBINHOODSARROW said:"Why? So that everyone can get to know the "White Witch" of Narnia/Arian/ORION?!" Proverbs 15:2 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Seventh day Adventists authority on religion is the Bible and the Bible alone. There will be wolves in sheep's clothing in the church, but the original message is the truth, so you can't go wrong if you stick to it. Ellen White's writings are a commentary on the Bible, not a rewriting of the Bible.
SDA doctrine has its foundation on EGW and her Investigative Judgment doctrine. All their doctrines stand or fall on that false prophecy. For instance, the "soul-sleeping" doctrine was created later to "explain" how none of the early church could be in heaven before their works could be judged for salvation. Infusing EGW commentary into the "Clear Word Bible" -- proves the desperation and audacity of this cult. The 1844 IJ doctrine is the SDA foundation -- not the Bible.
@ROBINHOODSARROW John 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Yes, Jesus said Lazarus was both "dead" -- and "sleeping." But, He only used the word "dead" so that the disciples would realize what He meant. So, the question is -- why did He use the term "sleep?!" If dead meant "in a state of non-existence" -- it would be a lie for Him to define it as mere sleep. In that case, He should have always used the word "dead." The word "sleep" is the best way to describe the unresponsive body -- of one consciously aware of another reality.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Oh boy, someone has really been messing with your religion:
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen
@ROBINHOODSARROW Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
This is the judgment of the 2nd resurrection -- the wicked dead raised back into their bodies of flesh. All who have died without knowing Christ -- rejected Christ -- or died without the opportunity to know Christ are judged in this judgment. They'll be judged by their works. Jesus says they will be judged on how they treated US -- His brethren -- in Matt 25:40. In fact, these are the nations we will judge -- 1Cor 6:2.
The Church is judged only for rewards -- 1Cor 3:11-15
But, if there is any question -- EGW's commentary is the final word. And now, you can just conveniently cross-reference to the Clear Word Bible to get her interpretations when you need it. It all accomplishes the same.
@ROBINHOODSARROW I've never read the Clear Word Bible and I've been an SDA all of my life. I don't even know what it is. The final word is the Bible, not EGW, I've always been taught that the KJV is the best English version. EGW never used this Clear Word Bible either.
I suspect a bit of dishonesty here -- every SDA has heard of the Clear Word Bible. Regardless of that, if you read the NT with EGW sunglasses on -- even the KJV -- you will never see the wonderful truth of grace -- the "good news" of the gospel. Her doctrines blind the mind from seeing. The Investigative Judgment doctrine is the complete inverse of the true gospel of grace. It denies a complete atonement. It denies assurance. It requires we earn our own salvation by works.
@ROBINHOODSARROW You are so full of mistrust, I don't really feel there is any point to this conversation with you. I pray that the Holy Spirit convicts your heart. If I continue this, I fear I may say the wrong thing to you and turn you from the Lord with my words. God doesn't want us to debate His Word, because then we'll fall into Satan's trap and miss the point of what true religion is. It's about love toward God and man and God loves you. God's blessings on you.
So, when you can't address the specific scriptures that proved SDA theology wrong... just walk away?! I've shared everything with you with as much love as possible. Yes, contentions over the law are indeed unprofitable [Titus 3:9]. But, why is that? It's because the law is so blinding that the gospel cannot be understood. You've heard the Word of God on these matters -- and that is what offends you. It is the same thing that offended the Pharisees -- and so it is today.
Well, Mr. Blanco did so as well. The Clear Word Bible was published by the SDA-owned Review & Herald Publishing Association who control all copyright protections... rhpa.org/index.php/general/permission_copyright
It was given "private authorship" to afford the SDAs "plausible deniability." This was SDA's first achievement after their satanic sacrifice to Lucifer at WACO. This SDA "Branch" was created for plausible deniability as well.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. 15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. 26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
These are literal days concerning the 70th week of Daniel -- yet to be fulfilled. William Miller's prophecy of these being prophetic years was as false as his prediction of Christ's return. Even Daniel says "evening & morning"-- so there is no excuse for redefining them as years.
The 2300 days are the literal No.of days Antichrist allows Israel to perform sacrifices b4 he enters the Temple and claims to be the "god" of it 2Th 2:3-4; Matt 24:15. The Beast of Rev. is a man.
@ROBINHOODSARROW With prophecy, a day is always a year, not so with past events. Plus, an "It Is Written" is best when discussing the Word of God.
Ezekiel 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
Only when the Bible tells you to do so -- as in Ezekiel 4:6. Daniel specifically calls the prophecy one of "evenings and mornings" -- which cannot fit the definition of a year.
If I left out a scripture, it was due to lack of space -- and because it related to a verse I had already quoted to you in the conversation. But, of course, since you chose to ignore these scriptures when I did quote them -- you naturally accuse me of not backing up what I say with scripture later.
It's odd that you show this verse. Have you ever noticed that all the SDA pictures of Christ in heaven show Him dressed as a Levite Priest?! Plus, can you show me any pattern in the OT where the High Priest lingered in the "outer compartment"?! Did the OT High Priest have to blot out sins one by one -- or did he make one application for the whole nation? And last, why does the Bible show Jesus sitting down as if He's "all done"... if he was waiting until 1844 to atone?
@ROBINHOODSARROW There are no real pictures of Christ, but I've never seen one of His imagined image portrayed as a priest.
The Bible is there for you to read and decide for yourself. It's what our church was taught is the authority on all things pertaining to God and I would suggest you also use it. Learn the truth rather than spending your time trying to find fault with another church, since it is clear you have not studied what you are reporting since it's all incorrect.
You're skirting the issue. What Christ "looks like" is not the issue. The issue here is about what SDA doctrine portrays Christ DOING in heaven. They depict Him in the act of Investigative Judgment -- WHILE WEARING THE GARB OF A LEVITE PRIEST. Yet, you yourself admit He is a Priest in the "order of Melchizadek."
These picture are seen all the time in SDA literature. Again, I suspect more dishonesty here. Sadly, you're not being dishonest just to me -- but to yourself.
Speaking of Christ's atonement.. "By his own blood HE [CHRIST] ENTERED IN ONCE [past tense] into the holy place, HAVING OBTAINED [past tense] eternal redemption for us -- Heb 9:12
This cannot be 2nd compartment since the High Priest never officiated in that compartment.
Also, Stephen sees Christ standing at the right hand of the Father [Most Holy] -- Act 7:55-56. There is no closer proximity to the Father than that.
Last, Paul declared the atonement complete -- Rm 5:11
@ROBINHOODSARROW So you won't sound uninformed to other people: "I recommend to you, dear reader, the Word of God as the rule of your faith and practice. By that Word we are to be judged. God has, in that Word, promised to give visions in the “last days”; not for a new rule of faith, but for the comfort of His people, and to correct those who err from Bible truth."—Early Writings, p. 78.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Rev 22:10 ..Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Amen! Our works will be judged when we arrive in heaven -- but for reward. There will be some in heaven who have none of their works survive that judgment... yet, they are still in heaven saved 1Cor 3:11-15.
EGW's Investigative Judgment of Believers for salvation is the anti-Gospel that Paul preached against to the Galatians -- saying those who teach such are accursed. EGW created the IJ to save face after the Great Disappointment -- destroying the gospel just to do so.
@ROBINHOODSARROW Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Do you see "Ten" in front of the word "commandments?" Is is right to insert that word into the text? Many of Christ's "commandments" are revealed in Mat 5 where He preached a higher standard than the 10 C's -- superseding them without destroying them. Even more of Christ's "commandments" are seen in Revelation. Not to' worship the Beast or take his Mark are "commandments" given by Christ. It's a gross error to assume the word "Ten" and wedge it before every "commandment."
All of your assumptions that I am disobedient -- is sadly on account of the Sabbath law. If Christ fulfilled the Sabbath law in a way that brings a Greater Rest -- how does that violate any law?!
Hebrews 4 was written to Hebrews -- Jews who also struggled with thinking the Church full of Gentiles was "without a Sabbath" rest. That was the driver that caused the author to write this Chapter. Does he reiterate the 4th Commandment? No! He shows how it is redefined as"Today."
The lines at the top of the design suggest a continued upward momentum symbolizing the resurrection and ascension to heaven at Christ's second coming, the ultimate focus of our faith.The Cross: The symbol of the cross, representing the gospel of salvation, is positioned in the centre of the design to emphasize Christ's sacrifice, which is the central theme of our faith.It is also significant that the Bible -representing the law, and the flame - representing the Spirit, come together at the cross
The Flame: This shape is formed by three lines encircling an implied sphere. The lines represent the three angels of Revelation 14 circling the globe and our comission to take the gospel to the entire world. The overal shape forms a flame symbolic of the Holy Spirit. Only by His Spirit can the gospel be proclaimed and understood.
The Open Bible: is a sign of the word of God. Without it we wouldn't know anything about God and his plan of salvation for all mankind through Jesus Christ. The Bible forms the base of the design and represents the Biblical foundation of our beliefs. It is portrayed in a fully open position suggesting a full acceptance of God's word.
The Adventist are not the only Sabbath Keeping Christians. We got the Sabbath from the Seventh day Baptists. We don't believe being an adventist saves you. God works in us to save us from our sins.
We do not believe in the Kabalah. We believe GOD is our savior. Jesus means in hebrew Yah is my savior. The cross is not inverted in the real adventist logo. Jesus is the way truth and life that leads to heaven.
Spoken like a true cultist. As soon as your apostasy is exposed -- just huddle tighter together. After all... you are convinced you have the only "true Church" -- believing that no matter what happens that proves otherwise.
@ROBINHOODSARROW I have been in many churches. Catholic, Baptist, Uniting Church. Don't accuse me of not knowing anything. God has shown me the way and I will follow what he wants me to do or be. If there happens to be a 'True Church' then I will look for it. But for now I am sticking to the SDA church because so far I don't see anything wrong with that church.
The 7 Churches of Rev prove there is no single man-organized "True Church."
In the NT -- from Acts 2 and on there is no mention of Christians observing Sabbath. The SDA Church is not just a cult -- it's a lying cult. They ensnare by putting you back under the law -- the law that blinds you. We are called to be led by His Spirit -- not the letter. If you really knew anything about the Baptists -- you should have known better than to fall for SDA deception. BTW, I'm not Baptist.
@ROBINHOODSARROW The 7 churches in Rev is referring to the times we are living in. Now we are living in the last days. The lukewarm church.
The Apostles observed the SABBATH. Where you read that they worshiped on a Sunday does not mean they did not worship on Sabbath. It says in the full context that they worshiped everyday!
We are not saved by the LAW. We are saved by GRACE. BUT because WE LOVE God WE DO WHAT IS HOLY. And by doing what is HOLY we are doing what is said on the 10 COMMANDMENTS.
The SDA Church falsely hold up Paul's evangelism in the Jewish synagogues as "proof" the apostles kept the Sabbath. These visits were not Church assemblies of Believing Christians.
Regardless of your view of the 7 Churches -- most of them had some form of heresy as well as some commendations from Christ. The fact that He still calls them all His -- despite this -- proves no entity can claim to be exclusively the "True Church."
The Investigative Judgment proves you lie about grace.
Do you really keep the ten commandments, or only think you do? Many adventists, or sabbath keepers I've met say they do, but when confronted with all the requirements for the sabbath, they only keep what they feel should be kept, namely church and not doing your paying job.
Do you drink hot coffee, or tea? Do you bake your food, or boil water? Do you light a fire in your fireplace? Have you ever bought gas on your way to church on the seventh day because you....
@xxzeka01xx doctrine is correct but the way we live depends on each individual............... however the evil one fights hard to decive us into believing false teachings . know the BOOK and stay close to your saviour so can we do HIS will
@xxzeka01xx Which 10 Comandments do you keep. Gods, or The Holy Roman Church's or perhaps there is no need to obey any of them because of Jesus' sacrifice? Who is in Apostasy? Please read your Bible, I suggest the KJV.
I am led by the Holy Spirit -- not by the Tables of Stone. My Sabbath rest is a 24/4 "Belief Rest" in Christ as redefined for those under the New Covenant -- Heb 4: 7, 10. Being led by the Holy Spirit absorbs, exceeds -- and thereby precludes -- the letter. The 10C's were only a temporary restrainer until Christ -- Gal 3:24-25. They never caused any good works -- they were at best only a leash to keep men from doing evil. The light of Christ eclipsed everything brought through Moses.
Constantine did not change the Sabbath to Sunday. He only gave the existing Church of his day political sanction. If you do your homework, you will find no mention of Sabbath-keeping by the Church -- neither in scripture nor in the early Church -- right up to Constantine. Whenever these early records speak of Sabbath -- it's always in context of the Jews. When Lord's Day is mentioned it's always in context of the day of resurrection. Some refer to both as distinct days in the same sentence.
@ROBINHOODSARROW so you mean to say that there was something wrong with the Sabbath commandment?! WHY CHANGE IT???????????? and with a pagan worship day? SUN-day is a pagan. bible mentions it only as first day of the week! therefore it is work to be done then as well for the rest of five days............ Sabbath means rest........ and is HOLY to GOD Sun-day is holy to whom?
There was nothing wrong with it -- except that it only foreshadowed our true rest in Christ. It changed... but, not to a different day of the week as you so accuse. It changed to a 24/7 constant abiding rest. It was redefined as "To-day"-- which is the only way to define it now in terms of days Heb 4:7-10.
Antichrist will enter the Temple & pretend to be the "god" of that Covenant 1Th 2:3-4. He will use Sabbath law to bestow you his "Seal of God." SDA's have been duped.
@1937akb KJV is my fav. We are saved by grace and not by works. Jesus is our example and we are to follow his Steps. Jesus was the living 10 commandments and we must also live like him, Holy and Blameless. Although we are sinners, God has forgiven us if we believe that Jesus came as the son of God and gave an ultimate sacrifice. We are to live Holy lives. How are we supposed to face God if we continue to live with our old ways? With the help of the Holy Spirit we are able to be Holy.
ALL TODAY'S RELIGION IS CORRUPTED. YOU HAVE TO DO ALOT OF TIME ALONE WITH GOD AND READ, READ, READ, READ, READ ANYTHING YOU CAN GET YOUR HAND'S ON AND THE SPIRIT WILL HELP YOU FIND THE TRUTH. YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE IT BECAUSE YOUR EYE'S AND EAR'S START TO OPEN AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORLD AND CREATION AND WHAT CAN I SAY BUT YOU NEED TO SEEK AND FIND THIS OUT FOR YOURSELF. ONE WARNING THOUGH DO NOT JUMP INTO TO ANYONE BELIEF SYSTEM AND PRACTICE IT (AS IT MAYBE FALSE)
Yeah looks like some one has to much time on there hands sda religion is NOT DEmonic and if you took the time to read it and understand it with a clear mind and the holy spirit leading you you would see this
try this geometry class on cables and sockect, it will come out. Eh. people with triangles. Salvation is all about being Saved by Grace Through Faith Unto Good Works. I don't people why people have a problem with The Sabbath and not the 9 commandment "you people are suspcious and your Christianity is Questionable". But Since I love Jesus I will Worship Him Even More on the Holy Sabbath. Happy Sabbath Brother. Remember not 2 steal. it is part also Your so called old Law
sempungu1 6 hours ago
that logo is fake, cause sda doesnt have a cross turned upside down in their logo...
raial88 6 days ago
if the Blue Law will be strictly enforce in America and the CUFI get win their will be mass distruction with the sabath keeper... but as for me i will served the TRUE REST DAYof GOD which the seventh day-saturday Sabbath and not the Lords day-sunday... the logo doesnt work with my salvation... John 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY commandments.
bek3365 1 week ago
@bek3365
If there is a law to enforce a day by Antichrist Beast -- it will be Sabbath -- A BLACK SABBATH. He uses the Jewish Temple as his backdrop when he declares himself 2B "god"-- 2Th 2:3-4/Mat 24:15-16/Dan 9:27. So he will claim to be the "god" of that Temple as well as all its articles. The 10C's will be a handy tool for him to use to enforce worship to himself only C's 1-3. He use the 4th C to promote his MARK as...
"The Seal of God" -- Just as SDAs have prepared you to accept.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 week ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Is an idiot
theremnant72 5 days ago
Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the DOERS of the law shall be justified.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath MY commandments, and KEEPETH them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
1978dagreat 2 weeks ago
Isaiah 66:22-23 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
broadaorb 2 weeks ago
@broadaorb
This part of Isaiah 66 concerns the "new earth" -- not of the old creation. We do not know if the new moon will have the exact same phases in a new heaven. And, likewise, we do not know what day God will "rest" when He recreates that new earth.... do we?!
ROBINHOODSARROW 2 weeks ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW What does the moon have to do with it. God says we will still worship Him on Sabbath in the new earth. It's clearly a day of the week. Sabbath was not done away. It honors the CREATOR, not the devil. 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
broadaorb 2 weeks ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
broadaorb 2 weeks ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW your arguments are weak. The Word means what it says even if you don't have full knowledge of it. Jesus said He is LORD of the Sabbath, not over/under or around it. HE is GOD, you are a mortal man and man was MADE on the 6th day, the Sabbath was MADE for man on the 7th day of creation Mark 2:27. Paul makes it clear in Hebrews 4:4-12 the 7th day was created for man to REST as JESUS rested which is the meaning of Shabbat. Early gentile church kept Shabbat Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42,44
1978dagreat 2 weeks ago
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@1978dagreat if the Blue Law will be strictly enforce in America and the CUFI sound great in america their will be mass distruction with the keeper of the 7th Day sabbath but as for me i will served the TRUE REST DAYof GOD which the seventh day-saturday Sabbath and not the Lords day-sunday... the logo doesnt work with my salvation
bek3365 1 week ago
A wise person once said- ! "Wise men never argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is who"?
garyglen 2 weeks ago
bro did you just draw satanic symbols and puzzled them onto the logo ? cause they soooo... did not fit ? LMAAO !
chrissyfine 3 weeks ago
for your in formation, the name ellen means bright or shine,(in greek).... so, God sent her to humankind so that she can lead them to real truth..which is to read and follow the bible fully. and also, sabbath is not on sunday, but on saturday. human change the calendar and the day system. God bless us all..
17brader 1 month ago
@17brader
So, then I suppose that's why you can call Jezeb-Ellen the "Spirit of Prophecy" & use her name to usurp the role of the Holy Spirit in your own life.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@17brader
"Follow the Bible fully" to you means -- trying to submit simultaneously to both Old & New Covenants. Jesus likened that to trying to sew a new piece of cloth onto an old garment. And He said such efforts to be like trying to pour NEW WINE [New Covenant] into an OLD WINESKIN [Old Covenant] Mt 9:16-17. Paul defined such efforts as spiritual fornication with the Bond Woman [Gal 4:23-31]. We're not only to cast her out -- but also her offspring. It's falling from grace Gal 5:4.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@17brader
True, Sabbath is not Sunday. The New Covenant Sabbath Rest was redefined by the author of Hebrews as "To-day" -- the only way to define a 24/7 rest in terms of days Heb 4:7-10. If we are in Christ -- we are a "New Creation" -- because of our new spiritual birth. The Sabbath rest of the "New Creation" is in our hearts where we simply cease from our own works toward salvation.
Yes, SDA's do claim grace with their mouths -- but the Investigative Judgment proves that 2B a lie.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
Falls on its own unreasonableness! I laugh and are sad of Nonsense.
inge59ramses 1 month ago
You are righ see this !!! /watch?v=PdQN_RnZ3O0
therhythmslave1 1 month ago
To all Seventh-Day Adventists,
"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you."- John 15:18
ElmarShane 1 month ago
@ElmarShane
All the world leaders applaud the Seventh-Day Adventists. You even hear it in their speeches. First President George Bush, then Senator Hillary Clinton -- and now even Barack Obama! So, you are wrong. The the world does not hate SDA's -- it loves them -- a sign that YOU are on the wrong side!
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets Luk 6:26
I am but a small voice that sees through the SDA's strong deception.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ElmarShane Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 19:10 ............ I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the "spirit of prophecy."
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ElmarShane Malachi 4:5
Behold, I will send you ELijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
I always find it interesting that most of God's prophets have the EL in their name. EL is of course the name for God. ELlen White. Just find it interesting.
broadaorb 1 month ago
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whats wrong with sda go worship jesus and stop worry about things you can't change, jesus is the sabbath don't you read your bible, col 2:16 rom14:5, matt 11: 28-30 no one are perpect of there own only the life of jesus can bring us through, we can't dont it of our self. sda teaches that the sabbath save, im i lieing? ok then if i worship God on any orther day what will happen to me in the end? jesus save my friend so plz look inside your heart man, you're not better than anyone else
classiq876 1 month ago
Sad....
I would think you must have something better to do with your time...
You can take almost any logo and do what you did.
Most logo's have symmetry...
nothing amazing in what you have done for your own purpose...
JCozEARTH 1 month ago
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broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb All Biblical
broadaorb 1 month ago
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broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb It's all free.
broadaorb 1 month ago
This is aboslute rubbish. Whatever you are trying is not working. Please visit the official adventist website for a proper explanation of its logo.
GodwinJnr1 1 month ago 2
@GodwinJnr1 The choice of the Church's logo reflects the core values that Seventh-day Adventists are committed to. The foundation is the Bible, the Word of God, shown open since its message must necessarily be read and put into practice. Central to that Biblical message is the Cross, and is also central in the logo. Above the Cross and the open Bible is the burning flame of the Holy Spirit, the messenger of Truth.
broadaorb 1 month ago 2
@broadaorb
The foundation of the SDA Church is Ellen G. White's Investigative Judgment doctrine. It began with this "explanation" for the Great Disappointment contrived by her and falsely confirmed via vision. Other doctrines unique to SDA's were created to continue justifying belief in the IJ doctrine. The soul-sleeping doctrine had to be created to reject souls going directly to Christ -- all because they couldn't let anyone think souls were in heave before judgment began in 1844.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
Plus, have you not heard of the exoteric and esoteric meaning of logos?! The "explanation" you've been given is the one intended for the masses to accept -- offering them plausible deniability [exoteric]. But, the REAL MEANING is esoteric so that those in the illuminati classes can recognize "they're secretly one of us!" The inverted Cross -- the hexagram -- the pyramid -- the 666 flames -- THEY SEE! SDA's joined their ranks after offering their sacrifice to Lucifer at WACO.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW It's not the foundation but it is a special doctrine, but biblical. Do you not think you were will judged? Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW 1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, & the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 22:12 & behold, I come quickly; & my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Psalm 58:11 So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb Daniel 8:14And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. 15And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. 26And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.27And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and.....
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times Ezra 7:21And I, even I Artaxerxes the king, do make a decree to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it....
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Daniel 9:26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Daniel 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (threescore=60 days,in prophecy a day is for a year) Ezekiel 4:6 ......... I have appointed thee each day for a year. A.D. 34
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb Artexerxes made the command to rebuild the temple in 457 B.C; 2300 days begin then. 483=69 1/1 weeks - the Messiah, A.D.27, Christ crucified A.D.31, 70 weeks A.D. 34, That was 490 years. 1810 years remained from A.D. 34. Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Daniel 9:26-27
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW (Dan 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (Dan 9:25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and....
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (Dan 9:26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (Dan 9:27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the.....
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
From these verses we get first the starting point of the time prophecy: the going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. We need only find that historical date, and all of the other dates fall into place. In 457 B.C., a decree was granted to Ezra by the Persian emperor........
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW....Artaxerxes Longimanus. A copy of the decree is found in Ezra 7. All ancient dates are confirmed by reference to the canon of Ptolemy, which is based on the dates of a score of eclipses, and so we know them for certainty. So the dates of Daniel 8 and 9 beginning at B.C. 457 can be easily calculated:
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW...
B.C. 457 2300 days and 70 weeks begin.
B.C. 408 the end of seven weeks (49 days).
A.D. 27 the end of seven weeks and sixty-two weeks.
A.D. 31 the middle of the seventieth week.
A.D. 34 the end of the seventieth week.
A.D. 1844 the end of the 2300 days.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW.....A review of the traditionally accepted dates for each of the events mentions shows them to have been fulfilled precisely. The city of Jerusalem was rebuilt in B.C. 408, the coming of Messiah the Prince was fulfilled at Yahushua's baptism in A.D. 27, the Messiah was cut off by his crucifixion in A.D. 31, the 70 weeks cut off for the Jewish people ended when the Sanhedrin officially rejected the Messiah and in evidence of it stoned Stephen in A.D. 34,.......
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW ......... and finally Christ stepped into the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary to make atonement for sin in A.D. 1844. When that work of cleansing the sanctuary is finished, Christ will return as promised. But there is no date given for that event. You have to study the old sanctuary ritual to see the lamb was slain and then the priest went into the holy then most holy place. At the end a scapegoat was let loose into the wilderness as a symbol of sin being gone forever
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW the scapegoat didn't cleanse the sins, but it took them away forever so there would be no more sin. Christ was the lamb whose blood cleansed the sin, but the scapegoat at the end was sent into the wilderness like Satan will be finished and there were be no more sin. The lamb's blood cleansed the sins, but after the ritual of everything, then the day of atonement ended. You are to study the old sanctuary rituals because they are a shadow of things to come. atonement x1 per yr.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW The foundation of the SDA church is Jesus Christ.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
The foundation of the SDA Church is a failed 1844 prophecy -- and a false prophetess who turned it into the false Investigative Judgment doctrine. None of it is taught by Jesus -- nor is any thing like it found in the Bible. The 2300 days prophesied by Daniel are LITERAL DAYS. He even calls his prophecy a vision of EVENING & MORNINGS. The vision confines it to that. It's a prophecy about the 70th week promised to Israel -- and is seen resumed in Rev 7:1-8. You're deceived.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW The foundation of the Seventh-day Adventist church is the second coming of Christ aka advent and the Lord''s Day which is the Seventh day which is Sabbath. We do not follow the law of Constantine and serve on the day of the venerable sun, which is sun worship aka Sunday. That is Pagan in origin and we don't serve the traditions of man, but the law of God. God brings his reward with Him the Bible says, so we know He is now judging. In thousand years, the saints will review.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
The first lie -Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
We do die and our breath or spirit goes back to its source, but our soul or thoughts and body, go to the grave also referred to as hell. There is no burning place called hell. Hell is death. At the resurrection, we are raised from the grave, we do not go straight to heaven and we do have new bodies.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW 1 Cor 15:52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: .. & the dead shall be RAISED incorruptible, & we shall be changed.-If the dead are raised at Christ's second coming, that means we do not come down from heaven, for we are resting in the grave. 1 Tim 6:15He shall shew, who is the blessed & only Potentate, the King of kings, & Lord of lords; 16WHO ONLY HATH IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom NO MAN HATH SEEN, nor can see
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, & they sat upon them, & judgment was given unto them: & I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, & for the word of God, & which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; & they lived * reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW 1 Peter 4:6Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Galations 5:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
broadaorb 1 month ago
Numbers 33:55
But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW William Miller made the prophecy of Christ coming in 1844. William Miller never accepted the Sabbath and the SDA church was not formed in 1844. Ellen White was a teenager in 1844 and she had nothing to do with William Miller's prophecy. The SDA church was formed in 1863. Wm Miller was a Baptist. Ellen White was a Methodist in 1844. She was born in 1827. Obviously you are not studying since your facts are wrong, so maybe if you study the source, you might come to the truth. PTL
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Christ is now judging. At His coming, He brings His reward with Him. When the dead in Christ arise at the first resurrection, they go to heaven for a thousand years to review the judgment so they can see why loved ones not there were lost. I have given you the Bible verses to back that up. Miller thought the cleansing of the Sanctuary meant Christ came, but it was when Christ starts judging at the house of God, His people. Study the Sanctuary service in Moses day to understand.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW The priest in the days of Moses took the blood of the lamb that was slain and sprinkled the blood for cleansing and when he went into the holy of holies & he made intercession for the sins of the people. This was the day of Atonement. Afterwards, they sent a scapegoat out into the wilderness that was a symbol of sin being gone forever. The slain lamb cleansed the sins, but the scapegoat represents when sin and Satan are destroyed forever. Unrepentant sinners aren't saved. Obey!
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW On the day of Atonement, the lamb is slain, the blood is sprinkled, intercession is made on the behalf of sinners, this is judgment, then they are laid on the scapegoat to be sent forever into the wilderness. The slain lamb in Christ. His blood cleanses us. Aaron the priest represents Christ now making intercession for us, i.e. judgment is happening, and finally the sins are laid on the scapegoat to be gone forever i.e. Sin/Satan which then ends the day of Atonement.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Atonement was made for us by Christ, but the day of Atonement is not over until sin and Satan are destroyed. The scapegoat represents when God will destroy sin and Satan forever in an unquenchable fire, i.e. a fire man cannot put out, but it burns into all is burned up. It's not an everlasting fire. Sodom and Gomorrah were described as burning forever, but that fire ended when all was consumed. Purgatory is not Biblical.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb Stop writting all that foolisness man, the old sanctuary was all physical but Gods sanctuary is spiritual, once you die you're already judge, the dead in christ shall rise first, its finish man we're just waiting for christ to make his return, our sins are forgiven its not in no book in heaven, we were made perfect by the life of christ. remember we're perfect in the sight of God, so clear your mind of all their teaching, just open the bible read the N.T. first then O.T.
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broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW The Bible tells us that when God speaks of future events, He gives us a day for a year. But past events a day represents a day and during Daniel's vision, he was having it over a day or days and not years. Ezekiel 4:6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. 7... of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Prophecy - Ezek 4:6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. 7 Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.
Event- Amos 2:10 Also I brought you up from the land of Egypt, and led you forty years through the wilderness, to possess the land of the Amorite.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW These verses might help you with how the earthly sanctuary reflects the heavenly sanc: 2 Chron 30:19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary.
Eze 45:18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, & cleanse the sanctuary:
Dan 8:14 & he said unto me, Unto 2300 days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
broadaorb 1 month ago
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broadaorb 1 month ago
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broadaorb 1 month ago
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Why? So that everyone can get to know the "White Witch" of Narnia/Arian/ORION?!
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
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@ROBINHOODSARROW said:"Why? So that everyone can get to know the "White Witch" of Narnia/Arian/ORION?!" Proverbs 15:2 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
broadaorb 1 month ago
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broadaorb 1 month ago
Seventh day Adventists authority on religion is the Bible and the Bible alone. There will be wolves in sheep's clothing in the church, but the original message is the truth, so you can't go wrong if you stick to it. Ellen White's writings are a commentary on the Bible, not a rewriting of the Bible.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
SDA doctrine has its foundation on EGW and her Investigative Judgment doctrine. All their doctrines stand or fall on that false prophecy. For instance, the "soul-sleeping" doctrine was created later to "explain" how none of the early church could be in heaven before their works could be judged for salvation. Infusing EGW commentary into the "Clear Word Bible" -- proves the desperation and audacity of this cult. The 1844 IJ doctrine is the SDA foundation -- not the Bible.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW John 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
Yes, Jesus said Lazarus was both "dead" -- and "sleeping." But, He only used the word "dead" so that the disciples would realize what He meant. So, the question is -- why did He use the term "sleep?!" If dead meant "in a state of non-existence" -- it would be a lie for Him to define it as mere sleep. In that case, He should have always used the word "dead." The word "sleep" is the best way to describe the unresponsive body -- of one consciously aware of another reality.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Psalm 22:29
All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Please use the Scriptures to prove your point.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Psalm 30:3 O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.
Psalm 13:3 Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
Psalms 30:3 proves the soul conscious after death. The Hebrew word for "grave" is defined as:
H7585
שׁאל שׁאול
she'ôl she'ôl
sheh-ole', sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat) including its accessories and inmates - grave, hell, pit.
1Th 4:14 -- How can they be brought "with Him" -- if still nonexistent?
1Cor 15:51 -- Christians still alive when Christ takes His Church. He secretly takes them up -- without touching earth.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Oh boy, someone has really been messing with your religion:
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
This is the judgment of the 2nd resurrection -- the wicked dead raised back into their bodies of flesh. All who have died without knowing Christ -- rejected Christ -- or died without the opportunity to know Christ are judged in this judgment. They'll be judged by their works. Jesus says they will be judged on how they treated US -- His brethren -- in Matt 25:40. In fact, these are the nations we will judge -- 1Cor 6:2.
The Church is judged only for rewards -- 1Cor 3:11-15
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW King James Version is the Bible of choice by Seventh-day Adventists.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
But, if there is any question -- EGW's commentary is the final word. And now, you can just conveniently cross-reference to the Clear Word Bible to get her interpretations when you need it. It all accomplishes the same.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW I've never read the Clear Word Bible and I've been an SDA all of my life. I don't even know what it is. The final word is the Bible, not EGW, I've always been taught that the KJV is the best English version. EGW never used this Clear Word Bible either.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
I suspect a bit of dishonesty here -- every SDA has heard of the Clear Word Bible. Regardless of that, if you read the NT with EGW sunglasses on -- even the KJV -- you will never see the wonderful truth of grace -- the "good news" of the gospel. Her doctrines blind the mind from seeing. The Investigative Judgment doctrine is the complete inverse of the true gospel of grace. It denies a complete atonement. It denies assurance. It requires we earn our own salvation by works.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW You are so full of mistrust, I don't really feel there is any point to this conversation with you. I pray that the Holy Spirit convicts your heart. If I continue this, I fear I may say the wrong thing to you and turn you from the Lord with my words. God doesn't want us to debate His Word, because then we'll fall into Satan's trap and miss the point of what true religion is. It's about love toward God and man and God loves you. God's blessings on you.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
So, when you can't address the specific scriptures that proved SDA theology wrong... just walk away?! I've shared everything with you with as much love as possible. Yes, contentions over the law are indeed unprofitable [Titus 3:9]. But, why is that? It's because the law is so blinding that the gospel cannot be understood. You've heard the Word of God on these matters -- and that is what offends you. It is the same thing that offended the Pharisees -- and so it is today.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW You called me a liar, so there is not much point in speaking with you any longer.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW The Mormons were the ones who rewrote the Bible, not the SDA's.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
Well, Mr. Blanco did so as well. The Clear Word Bible was published by the SDA-owned Review & Herald Publishing Association who control all copyright protections... rhpa.org/index.php/general/permission_copyright
It was given "private authorship" to afford the SDAs "plausible deniability." This was SDA's first achievement after their satanic sacrifice to Lucifer at WACO. This SDA "Branch" was created for plausible deniability as well.
BTW, Blanco means "White" in French!
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. 15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. 26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
These are literal days concerning the 70th week of Daniel -- yet to be fulfilled. William Miller's prophecy of these being prophetic years was as false as his prediction of Christ's return. Even Daniel says "evening & morning"-- so there is no excuse for redefining them as years.
The 2300 days are the literal No.of days Antichrist allows Israel to perform sacrifices b4 he enters the Temple and claims to be the "god" of it 2Th 2:3-4; Matt 24:15. The Beast of Rev. is a man.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW With prophecy, a day is always a year, not so with past events. Plus, an "It Is Written" is best when discussing the Word of God.
Ezekiel 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
Only when the Bible tells you to do so -- as in Ezekiel 4:6. Daniel specifically calls the prophecy one of "evenings and mornings" -- which cannot fit the definition of a year.
If I left out a scripture, it was due to lack of space -- and because it related to a verse I had already quoted to you in the conversation. But, of course, since you chose to ignore these scriptures when I did quote them -- you naturally accuse me of not backing up what I say with scripture later.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
It's odd that you show this verse. Have you ever noticed that all the SDA pictures of Christ in heaven show Him dressed as a Levite Priest?! Plus, can you show me any pattern in the OT where the High Priest lingered in the "outer compartment"?! Did the OT High Priest have to blot out sins one by one -- or did he make one application for the whole nation? And last, why does the Bible show Jesus sitting down as if He's "all done"... if he was waiting until 1844 to atone?
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW There are no real pictures of Christ, but I've never seen one of His imagined image portrayed as a priest.
The Bible is there for you to read and decide for yourself. It's what our church was taught is the authority on all things pertaining to God and I would suggest you also use it. Learn the truth rather than spending your time trying to find fault with another church, since it is clear you have not studied what you are reporting since it's all incorrect.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
You're skirting the issue. What Christ "looks like" is not the issue. The issue here is about what SDA doctrine portrays Christ DOING in heaven. They depict Him in the act of Investigative Judgment -- WHILE WEARING THE GARB OF A LEVITE PRIEST. Yet, you yourself admit He is a Priest in the "order of Melchizadek."
These picture are seen all the time in SDA literature. Again, I suspect more dishonesty here. Sadly, you're not being dishonest just to me -- but to yourself.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW This verse describes Christ in the Most Holy Place before the Ancient of Days.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
Speaking of Christ's atonement.. "By his own blood HE [CHRIST] ENTERED IN ONCE [past tense] into the holy place, HAVING OBTAINED [past tense] eternal redemption for us -- Heb 9:12
This cannot be 2nd compartment since the High Priest never officiated in that compartment.
Also, Stephen sees Christ standing at the right hand of the Father [Most Holy] -- Act 7:55-56. There is no closer proximity to the Father than that.
Last, Paul declared the atonement complete -- Rm 5:11
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW So you won't sound uninformed to other people: "I recommend to you, dear reader, the Word of God as the rule of your faith and practice. By that Word we are to be judged. God has, in that Word, promised to give visions in the “last days”; not for a new rule of faith, but for the comfort of His people, and to correct those who err from Bible truth."—Early Writings, p. 78.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
There you go... If all else fail -- turn to EGW!
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Rev 22:10 ..Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
Amen! Our works will be judged when we arrive in heaven -- but for reward. There will be some in heaven who have none of their works survive that judgment... yet, they are still in heaven saved 1Cor 3:11-15.
EGW's Investigative Judgment of Believers for salvation is the anti-Gospel that Paul preached against to the Galatians -- saying those who teach such are accursed. EGW created the IJ to save face after the Great Disappointment -- destroying the gospel just to do so.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
broadaorb 1 month ago
@broadaorb
Do you see "Ten" in front of the word "commandments?" Is is right to insert that word into the text? Many of Christ's "commandments" are revealed in Mat 5 where He preached a higher standard than the 10 C's -- superseding them without destroying them. Even more of Christ's "commandments" are seen in Revelation. Not to' worship the Beast or take his Mark are "commandments" given by Christ. It's a gross error to assume the word "Ten" and wedge it before every "commandment."
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Daniel 7:9, 10;Psalm 90:2; Daniel 7:13, 14; 1 Peter 4:17; Revelation 20:12; Luke 10:20; Philippians 4:3; Daniel 12:1; Revelation 21:27; Malachi 3:16; Nehemiah 13:14; Psalm 56:8; Ecclesiastes 12:14; Matthew 13:36, 37; 1 Corinthians 4:5; Isaiah 65:6, 7; Ecclesiastes 12:13, 14; James 2:12; Luke 20:35, 36; John 5:29; 1 John 2:1; Hebrews 9:24; 7:25; Exodus 32:33; Ezekiel 18:24; Isaiah 43:25; Revelation 3:5; Matthew 10:32, 33; Micah 4:8; Psalm 51:17; Zechariah 3:2; Ephesians 5:27;
broadaorb 1 month ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW Revelation 3:4; Jeremiah 31:34; 50:20; Isaiah 4:2, 3; Acts 3:19, 20; Hebrews 9:28; Leviticus 16:22; Hebrews 6:20; Proverbs 28:13; 2 Corinthians 12:9; Matthew 11:29, 30; Mark 13:33; Revelation 3:3; Revelation 22:11, 12; Matthew 24:39; Mark 13:35, 36.; Daniel 5:27; I pray these verses bring you a better understanding.
broadaorb 1 month ago
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All of your assumptions that I am disobedient -- is sadly on account of the Sabbath law. If Christ fulfilled the Sabbath law in a way that brings a Greater Rest -- how does that violate any law?!
Hebrews 4 was written to Hebrews -- Jews who also struggled with thinking the Church full of Gentiles was "without a Sabbath" rest. That was the driver that caused the author to write this Chapter. Does he reiterate the 4th Commandment? No! He shows how it is redefined as"Today."
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
this video is utter crap
bulldog961 1 month ago
that is just a logo..
now look for the doctrine and be open to everything that you shall see
gadasherg 1 month ago
this is not true even though im not a sda!i strongly dis agree to this video!!;(
cristhineize 1 month ago
And also in this video the sign is coloured in YELLOW this is NOT how the sign is done it actually in white
MyDenDen2328 2 months ago
The lines at the top of the design suggest a continued upward momentum symbolizing the resurrection and ascension to heaven at Christ's second coming, the ultimate focus of our faith.The Cross: The symbol of the cross, representing the gospel of salvation, is positioned in the centre of the design to emphasize Christ's sacrifice, which is the central theme of our faith.It is also significant that the Bible -representing the law, and the flame - representing the Spirit, come together at the cross
MyDenDen2328 2 months ago
The Flame: This shape is formed by three lines encircling an implied sphere. The lines represent the three angels of Revelation 14 circling the globe and our comission to take the gospel to the entire world. The overal shape forms a flame symbolic of the Holy Spirit. Only by His Spirit can the gospel be proclaimed and understood.
MyDenDen2328 2 months ago
The Open Bible: is a sign of the word of God. Without it we wouldn't know anything about God and his plan of salvation for all mankind through Jesus Christ. The Bible forms the base of the design and represents the Biblical foundation of our beliefs. It is portrayed in a fully open position suggesting a full acceptance of God's word.
MyDenDen2328 2 months ago
The Adventist are not the only Sabbath Keeping Christians. We got the Sabbath from the Seventh day Baptists. We don't believe being an adventist saves you. God works in us to save us from our sins.
Etech7 2 months ago
We do not believe in the Kabalah. We believe GOD is our savior. Jesus means in hebrew Yah is my savior. The cross is not inverted in the real adventist logo. Jesus is the way truth and life that leads to heaven.
Etech7 2 months ago
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Etech7 2 months ago
That can't be the SDA logo. Pastor Doug even mentioned the 666. He seemed really against the whole 666 thing.
smallvillefallen 3 months ago
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xxzeka01xx 3 months ago
ahaha! nice! nonsense info.
kemhei09 3 months ago
haha.... WOW.. I've always known this day would come. How Satan tries to turn everyone against the SDA church.! May God have mercy on you.
xxzeka01xx 3 months ago
@xxzeka01xx
Spoken like a true cultist. As soon as your apostasy is exposed -- just huddle tighter together. After all... you are convinced you have the only "true Church" -- believing that no matter what happens that proves otherwise.
ROBINHOODSARROW 3 months ago
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@ROBINHOODSARROW Well if you didn't know... This was not the original Logo for the SDA church.
xxzeka01xx 3 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW I have been in many churches. Catholic, Baptist, Uniting Church. Don't accuse me of not knowing anything. God has shown me the way and I will follow what he wants me to do or be. If there happens to be a 'True Church' then I will look for it. But for now I am sticking to the SDA church because so far I don't see anything wrong with that church.
xxzeka01xx 3 months ago
@xxzeka01xx
The 7 Churches of Rev prove there is no single man-organized "True Church."
In the NT -- from Acts 2 and on there is no mention of Christians observing Sabbath. The SDA Church is not just a cult -- it's a lying cult. They ensnare by putting you back under the law -- the law that blinds you. We are called to be led by His Spirit -- not the letter. If you really knew anything about the Baptists -- you should have known better than to fall for SDA deception. BTW, I'm not Baptist.
ROBINHOODSARROW 3 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW The 7 churches in Rev is referring to the times we are living in. Now we are living in the last days. The lukewarm church.
The Apostles observed the SABBATH. Where you read that they worshiped on a Sunday does not mean they did not worship on Sabbath. It says in the full context that they worshiped everyday!
We are not saved by the LAW. We are saved by GRACE. BUT because WE LOVE God WE DO WHAT IS HOLY. And by doing what is HOLY we are doing what is said on the 10 COMMANDMENTS.
xxzeka01xx 3 months ago
@xxzeka01xx
The SDA Church falsely hold up Paul's evangelism in the Jewish synagogues as "proof" the apostles kept the Sabbath. These visits were not Church assemblies of Believing Christians.
Regardless of your view of the 7 Churches -- most of them had some form of heresy as well as some commendations from Christ. The fact that He still calls them all His -- despite this -- proves no entity can claim to be exclusively the "True Church."
The Investigative Judgment proves you lie about grace.
ROBINHOODSARROW 3 months ago
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@ROBINHOODSARROW Whatever you say. You have your own opinion and I, my own. You can believe whatever you want to believe. God bless you.
xxzeka01xx 3 months ago
@xxzeka01xx
Do you really keep the ten commandments, or only think you do? Many adventists, or sabbath keepers I've met say they do, but when confronted with all the requirements for the sabbath, they only keep what they feel should be kept, namely church and not doing your paying job.
Do you drink hot coffee, or tea? Do you bake your food, or boil water? Do you light a fire in your fireplace? Have you ever bought gas on your way to church on the seventh day because you....
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
forgot to buy it the day before? There was more to the sabbath than a having a holy convocation and not doing your paying job.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@xxzeka01xx doctrine is correct but the way we live depends on each individual............... however the evil one fights hard to decive us into believing false teachings . know the BOOK and stay close to your saviour so can we do HIS will
calatis4u 1 month ago
@xxzeka01xx Which 10 Comandments do you keep. Gods, or The Holy Roman Church's or perhaps there is no need to obey any of them because of Jesus' sacrifice? Who is in Apostasy? Please read your Bible, I suggest the KJV.
1937akb 3 months ago
@1937akb
I am led by the Holy Spirit -- not by the Tables of Stone. My Sabbath rest is a 24/4 "Belief Rest" in Christ as redefined for those under the New Covenant -- Heb 4: 7, 10. Being led by the Holy Spirit absorbs, exceeds -- and thereby precludes -- the letter. The 10C's were only a temporary restrainer until Christ -- Gal 3:24-25. They never caused any good works -- they were at best only a leash to keep men from doing evil. The light of Christ eclipsed everything brought through Moses.
ROBINHOODSARROW 3 months ago
Constantine did not change the Sabbath to Sunday. He only gave the existing Church of his day political sanction. If you do your homework, you will find no mention of Sabbath-keeping by the Church -- neither in scripture nor in the early Church -- right up to Constantine. Whenever these early records speak of Sabbath -- it's always in context of the Jews. When Lord's Day is mentioned it's always in context of the day of resurrection. Some refer to both as distinct days in the same sentence.
ROBINHOODSARROW 3 months ago
@ROBINHOODSARROW so you mean to say that there was something wrong with the Sabbath commandment?! WHY CHANGE IT???????????? and with a pagan worship day? SUN-day is a pagan. bible mentions it only as first day of the week! therefore it is work to be done then as well for the rest of five days............ Sabbath means rest........ and is HOLY to GOD Sun-day is holy to whom?
calatis4u 1 month ago
@calatis4u
There was nothing wrong with it -- except that it only foreshadowed our true rest in Christ. It changed... but, not to a different day of the week as you so accuse. It changed to a 24/7 constant abiding rest. It was redefined as "To-day"-- which is the only way to define it now in terms of days Heb 4:7-10.
Antichrist will enter the Temple & pretend to be the "god" of that Covenant 1Th 2:3-4. He will use Sabbath law to bestow you his "Seal of God." SDA's have been duped.
ROBINHOODSARROW 1 month ago
@1937akb KJV is my fav. We are saved by grace and not by works. Jesus is our example and we are to follow his Steps. Jesus was the living 10 commandments and we must also live like him, Holy and Blameless. Although we are sinners, God has forgiven us if we believe that Jesus came as the son of God and gave an ultimate sacrifice. We are to live Holy lives. How are we supposed to face God if we continue to live with our old ways? With the help of the Holy Spirit we are able to be Holy.
xxzeka01xx 3 months ago
ALL TODAY'S RELIGION IS CORRUPTED. YOU HAVE TO DO ALOT OF TIME ALONE WITH GOD AND READ, READ, READ, READ, READ ANYTHING YOU CAN GET YOUR HAND'S ON AND THE SPIRIT WILL HELP YOU FIND THE TRUTH. YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE IT BECAUSE YOUR EYE'S AND EAR'S START TO OPEN AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORLD AND CREATION AND WHAT CAN I SAY BUT YOU NEED TO SEEK AND FIND THIS OUT FOR YOURSELF. ONE WARNING THOUGH DO NOT JUMP INTO TO ANYONE BELIEF SYSTEM AND PRACTICE IT (AS IT MAYBE FALSE)
MsCharzz1 3 months ago
What is this meant to prove? Adventists serve God!
oby512 3 months ago
Yeah looks like some one has to much time on there hands sda religion is NOT DEmonic and if you took the time to read it and understand it with a clear mind and the holy spirit leading you you would see this
nightgrappler 4 months ago