The power pitchers then had problems with left-handed hitters who could place the ball with some power like Al Oliver, Ron Fairly, Joe Morgan, Willie Davis, Billy Williams, and others. Gibson had trouble with Norm Cash who loved hitting sliders than curves. Mickey Lolich had he been in better shape coming out of spring training, would have been in the Hall but he got he in shape during the season.
U.S Congressman,abolitionist,"Father of the 14th Amendment" John Bingham, confirms understanding & construction Framers used re birthright & jurisdiction House of Reps March 9 1866:
"I find no fault with the introductory clause which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that EVERY HUMAN BEING BORN within the jurisdiction of the United States OF PARENTS NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY IS,in the language of your Constitution itself,A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"
Seventeen Times = Take Your Seat --- Batter Up ---Take Your Seat - against Major League Baseball Hitters! Absolutely from another planet. We've had some great ones since 1960 and this guy has to be at least Top 5.
It'd be the longest game in the history of baseball if bob Gibson and Tom Seaver hooked up on their best day:
Power vs. Finesse Pitching...they'd be there for 30 innings, perfect games still intact, and at even the MENTION of being pulled, Gibby would glare until the manager melted and Tom would simply smile, toss another heater to show he was still terrific, and go out.
Gibson, Seaver, Koufax, Marichal...WHY wasn't I born in the 1960s?! LOL
Gibson is the greatest pitcher of all time. If you had to win one game, most agree that he would be the one chosen. many have more wins and strikeouts now, but the game has become a shadow of its former self. Maddox would have been the third or fourth pitcheer on most teams in the fifties and sixties.
Baseball was so much better in the 60's and 70's than that product they throw at us
now.Could you just imagine A-rod or Barry Bonds against Gibson or Drysdale. And
oh yeah, they play by the rules of the 60's. In other words, pitchers like Gibson &
Drysdale saying "THE PLATE IS MINE" That's why we have the homeruns now, they took the majority of the plate and that fear factor away from the pitchers.
No disrespect to Sandy Koufax or any great pitcher in the last 50 years, but If I were a manager and I needed to win 1 game, I'd want Bob Gibson as my starting pitcher.
@Shoooooooo81 It does look odd, doesn't it? Truth be told, though, that's how he got ready to field his position, and he was one of the best fielding pitchers around.
Greatest competitor as a pitcher i ever saw pitch in my life. It's ironic and an indication of how the game has changed that he lost game 7 4-1 that year due to an error by, of all people, Curt Flood in center field and still finished the game.
If they're going to go George Lucas on old footage, can't they at least restore them to color? Weren't they originally in color but NBC didn't save their color tapes?
@Knightmessenger Hmmmm. They have the game the Red Sox clinch a tie (later because Detroit lost, a win) for the 1967 out in colour. They first did a colour game in 1955 World Series!
I watched that game on tv as a young teen. He was electrifying, dominating...I literally had goosebumps watching him. I think he's one of the top 5 pitchers of all time( Old oriole fan here, so not biased). What was also so great about Gibby was that he was MEAN....I mean, in the days before free agency and huge money, it wasn't a big social club like it is now...the players were out to beat each other...gawd I miss those days...that was real baseball...pitching every 4th day..20+ complete games
Lolich played in a "hitters park" and Gibson played in a "pitchers park". Both were great pitchers, but even speaking as a Tigers fan, I would give a slight nod to Gibson. Lolich played on some crap teams in his final years, except for the '72 team. If he would have had better hitting around him and played in a bigger park, he may have ended with a better record and been in the Hall of Fame, and in my opinion, is deserving of that honor, regardless..
@hxtraveler I agree totally. Not many people realize that Mickey Lolich had the alltime record for career strikeouts for a time, until surpassed by finally Steve Carleton. The guy had a bionic arm!
if you had one guy to pitch a game to decide whether you lived or died,gibson would be a serious choice.the man would throw chin-music at his mother if she crowded the plate.
hmmm. I guess the 7th game of the 1968 WS did not decide if anyone lived or died as Gibby and the Cards went down for the old 1-2-3, BROTHA! If I were a batter and Gibson threw at my head, I would have kicked his ass.
@RPenta. Frank Howard did play with the Dodgers from 1960-1964. Gibson wrote a book with Reggie Jackson about situations and players. He mentioned that he would throw middle hard, then sliders away but never throw inside to Howard because he could hit it out. He said that Howard would beat you early but he would beat himself in later innings so he didn't want to wake a sleeping giant. LOL. He had problems with left-handed batters who hit for singles and doubles.
You forgot to mention that Mickey Lolich out-pitched Gibson in this World Series (1968).
Lolich went 3-0, Gibson, 2-1. The two pitchers faced each other in the final game. Gibson was pitching after 3 days of rest, Lolich had had only TWO days of rest.....but Lolich beat GIbson 4-1 in that deciding game.
Strikeouts are great, but winning is what counts, and Gibson totally lost to Lolich & the Tigers!
I never said that Lolich was a superior player. This vid isn't about GIbson's CAREER performance, but his 1968 WORLD SERIES performance, and within that context (i.e. the context of the 1968 world series) Lolich out-performed him. And if you wish to talk about Gibson's career performance, there were many people whose carreer performances were superior, and who won more MVPs, CY YOUNGs, GOLD GLOVES, WORLD SERIES RINGS, HIGHER % OF VOTES INTO H.O.F. etc.
no doubt that was an awesome series and one of my biggest disappointments as a young cardinal fan..lolich was awesome that series..BUT they actually lowered the mound because of gibson..not too many had that kind of impact on the game..
@immathoughtthinker Gibson didn't lose Game 7, Curt Flood did by misjudging a fly ball. To Hoot's great credit though, he didn't blame Flood and said it was his (Hoot's) fault. He did beat the Tigers twice, with 17 strikeouts.
@wogdoggy You are right Gibson was better than Lolich,but I'm the Detroit Tiger fan who still has a great big grin on my face since 1968! Frank Lary who pitched for the Tigers in the early 60's was "The Yankee Killer".Lolich pitched 3 COMPLETE games in a 7 game series against St.Louis & won all 3,also won series MVP."The Cardinal Killer".
you my friend are an idiot. "winning is what counts" try Gibson's 2 world series rings to your precious Lolich's one. Gibson's 2 Cy Youngs to Lolich's non and Gibson's 2.91 career ERA to Lolich's 3.44. you obviously know nothing about baseball
Don't reference me as an idiot unless you're prepared to accept a wager over who has the highest I.Q. and the most graduate degrees. I live in Indiana. I'd love to meet you in a city half way between our domiciles and engage the services of a psychologist to administer a battery of I.Q. exams. The loser has to pay all expenses. Bring along your university transcripts as well. I also wager $1,000 I have successfully completed more years of grad school. How 'bout it big boy?
@96rorrim well considering i'm in high school its impossible to produce transcripts and graduate degrees. But anyone who would argue that mickey lolich is any comparison to bob gibson is in fact and idiot. theres a reason the guy 13 votes for the HOF. the same HOF that gibson is enshrined in.
This is when the mound was higher and pitchers would compete for who could get the most shutouts. Its not like this anymore when the ball juiced and steroids!
Bob Gibson was one intense SOB! Even his own teammates were wary of him. I remember his "glare" in at the plate, and his "falling off the mound" after delivery. One of the great pitchers of a truly great era, the 1960s. How great would it have been to see a Gibson v Koufax match up?
@gvalley07 They faced each other a few times...Bill White, his roomate, said that the first time he faced Gibson (he was traded...Gibby and him were once roomates). Gibson hit him right in the ribs. That was a message: We're not roomates any more!
Dad will never forget: Kubek comes to the plate and fans on a curve. Richardson follows. Tresh takes a called strike three! Mantle looks at one on the outside corner, Maris fans on a curve...
I'm a Pittsburgh Pirates fan so, I loved to "hate" him! I remember Roberto Clemente breaking Gibson's leg w/a shot through the box, was that in '67? Then he no-hit the Bucs in 1970, right after 3 Rivers Stadium opened. He and Drysdale weren't afraid to throw @ people, either! Where have they all gone?!
@kelteckid Na,Whitey Ford.He broke some of Babe Ruth's World Series pitching records in the early '60s.He could throw a strike blindfolded!Oh yeah,Ron Guidry struck out 18 LA Angels in June,1978!Go Yankees!
Just being in the same stadium as Gibson made you nervous.
oysterjoe 3 months ago
With an ERA of 1.12, Gibson was pretty much un-hittable in 1968.
dahur 4 months ago
i may be a a red sox fan but...GIBSON WAS INTENSE!
TheFlair8 7 months ago
The power pitchers then had problems with left-handed hitters who could place the ball with some power like Al Oliver, Ron Fairly, Joe Morgan, Willie Davis, Billy Williams, and others. Gibson had trouble with Norm Cash who loved hitting sliders than curves. Mickey Lolich had he been in better shape coming out of spring training, would have been in the Hall but he got he in shape during the season.
Ariamaluum 9 months ago
U.S Congressman,abolitionist,"Father of the 14th Amendment" John Bingham, confirms understanding & construction Framers used re birthright & jurisdiction House of Reps March 9 1866:
"I find no fault with the introductory clause which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that EVERY HUMAN BEING BORN within the jurisdiction of the United States OF PARENTS NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY IS,in the language of your Constitution itself,A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"
kiiifute1 11 months ago
Seventeen Times = Take Your Seat --- Batter Up ---Take Your Seat - against Major League Baseball Hitters! Absolutely from another planet. We've had some great ones since 1960 and this guy has to be at least Top 5.
SamIamGolden 11 months ago
It'd be the longest game in the history of baseball if bob Gibson and Tom Seaver hooked up on their best day:
Power vs. Finesse Pitching...they'd be there for 30 innings, perfect games still intact, and at even the MENTION of being pulled, Gibby would glare until the manager melted and Tom would simply smile, toss another heater to show he was still terrific, and go out.
Gibson, Seaver, Koufax, Marichal...WHY wasn't I born in the 1960s?! LOL
Oh well--LET'S GO METS!
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago
Gibson is the greatest pitcher of all time. If you had to win one game, most agree that he would be the one chosen. many have more wins and strikeouts now, but the game has become a shadow of its former self. Maddox would have been the third or fourth pitcheer on most teams in the fifties and sixties.
MrAckbar01 1 year ago
Baseball was so much better in the 60's and 70's than that product they throw at us
now.Could you just imagine A-rod or Barry Bonds against Gibson or Drysdale. And
oh yeah, they play by the rules of the 60's. In other words, pitchers like Gibson &
Drysdale saying "THE PLATE IS MINE" That's why we have the homeruns now, they took the majority of the plate and that fear factor away from the pitchers.
yrhodesian 1 year ago
RIP BOB FELLER.
xKevTiffx 1 year ago
If my life depended on it, who would I rather see start? Gibson or Koufax? Don't really matter because I will live. LOL LOL!!!
publicatdamagnificen 1 year ago
No disrespect to Sandy Koufax or any great pitcher in the last 50 years, but If I were a manager and I needed to win 1 game, I'd want Bob Gibson as my starting pitcher.
rayjr62 1 year ago
@rayjr62 im gonna have to put the proffesor on the mound over gibson
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
@rayjr62 couldn't beat the 68 tigers when it was all on the line could he?
immathoughtthinker 11 months ago
@immathoughtthinker Gibson won games 1 and 4. He lost game 7 by the score of 4-1. I'd still take Gibson over Lolich or McLain.
rayjr62 11 months ago
i always thought it was funny how Bob Gibson looked like he was falling over every time he threw the ball
Shoooooooo81 1 year ago
@Shoooooooo81 It does look odd, doesn't it? Truth be told, though, that's how he got ready to field his position, and he was one of the best fielding pitchers around.
generalbullmoose 1 year ago
I was 14 years old. I remember this like it was yesterday!
garfreed 1 year ago
Greatest competitor as a pitcher i ever saw pitch in my life. It's ironic and an indication of how the game has changed that he lost game 7 4-1 that year due to an error by, of all people, Curt Flood in center field and still finished the game.
ChrisDutch 1 year ago
If they're going to go George Lucas on old footage, can't they at least restore them to color? Weren't they originally in color but NBC didn't save their color tapes?
Knightmessenger 1 year ago
@Knightmessenger Hmmmm. They have the game the Red Sox clinch a tie (later because Detroit lost, a win) for the 1967 out in colour. They first did a colour game in 1955 World Series!
Scoclamor 1 year ago
I watched that game on tv as a young teen. He was electrifying, dominating...I literally had goosebumps watching him. I think he's one of the top 5 pitchers of all time( Old oriole fan here, so not biased). What was also so great about Gibby was that he was MEAN....I mean, in the days before free agency and huge money, it wasn't a big social club like it is now...the players were out to beat each other...gawd I miss those days...that was real baseball...pitching every 4th day..20+ complete games
smoothdude17325 1 year ago
@smoothdude17325 You know who else watched this game as a teen (16)? Bob Costas!
Scoclamor 1 year ago
Lolich played in a "hitters park" and Gibson played in a "pitchers park". Both were great pitchers, but even speaking as a Tigers fan, I would give a slight nod to Gibson. Lolich played on some crap teams in his final years, except for the '72 team. If he would have had better hitting around him and played in a bigger park, he may have ended with a better record and been in the Hall of Fame, and in my opinion, is deserving of that honor, regardless..
hxtraveler 1 year ago
@hxtraveler I agree totally. Not many people realize that Mickey Lolich had the alltime record for career strikeouts for a time, until surpassed by finally Steve Carleton. The guy had a bionic arm!
jfarrellfinch 1 year ago
if you had one guy to pitch a game to decide whether you lived or died,gibson would be a serious choice.the man would throw chin-music at his mother if she crowded the plate.
jr55ful 1 year ago 2
@jr55ful
.... and his sister, too !!
kirbycol4 1 year ago
@jr55ful
hmmm. I guess the 7th game of the 1968 WS did not decide if anyone lived or died as Gibby and the Cards went down for the old 1-2-3, BROTHA! If I were a batter and Gibson threw at my head, I would have kicked his ass.
RPenta 11 months ago
@RPenta Whatever Faggot.
hungdaddy84 11 months ago
@hungdaddy84 We knew your last name, thx for telling us your first.
RPenta 10 months ago
@RPenta. Batters didn't mess with him. Dick Allen was afraid of him concerning a fight. He could pick up guys and throw them down.
Ariamaluum 9 months ago
@Ariamaluum To bad Frank Howard was not in the National League.
RPenta 9 months ago
@RPenta. Frank Howard did play with the Dodgers from 1960-1964. Gibson wrote a book with Reggie Jackson about situations and players. He mentioned that he would throw middle hard, then sliders away but never throw inside to Howard because he could hit it out. He said that Howard would beat you early but he would beat himself in later innings so he didn't want to wake a sleeping giant. LOL. He had problems with left-handed batters who hit for singles and doubles.
Ariamaluum 9 months ago
You forgot to mention that Mickey Lolich out-pitched Gibson in this World Series (1968).
Lolich went 3-0, Gibson, 2-1. The two pitchers faced each other in the final game. Gibson was pitching after 3 days of rest, Lolich had had only TWO days of rest.....but Lolich beat GIbson 4-1 in that deciding game.
Strikeouts are great, but winning is what counts, and Gibson totally lost to Lolich & the Tigers!
96rorrim 2 years ago
and bob gibson will always be considered way way better than lolich no matter who won that series..please..
wogdoggy 2 years ago 7
@wogdoggy
I never said that Lolich was a superior player. This vid isn't about GIbson's CAREER performance, but his 1968 WORLD SERIES performance, and within that context (i.e. the context of the 1968 world series) Lolich out-performed him. And if you wish to talk about Gibson's career performance, there were many people whose carreer performances were superior, and who won more MVPs, CY YOUNGs, GOLD GLOVES, WORLD SERIES RINGS, HIGHER % OF VOTES INTO H.O.F. etc.
96rorrim 1 year ago
@96rorrim
no doubt that was an awesome series and one of my biggest disappointments as a young cardinal fan..lolich was awesome that series..BUT they actually lowered the mound because of gibson..not too many had that kind of impact on the game..
wogdoggy 1 year ago
@wogdoggy How many wins did he have in the 1968 world series? 2 wins......Lolich 3! BAM!
immathoughtthinker 11 months ago
@immathoughtthinker brilliant
wogdoggy 11 months ago
@immathoughtthinker Gibson didn't lose Game 7, Curt Flood did by misjudging a fly ball. To Hoot's great credit though, he didn't blame Flood and said it was his (Hoot's) fault. He did beat the Tigers twice, with 17 strikeouts.
Dietpepsivanilla 7 months ago
@wogdoggy You are right Gibson was better than Lolich,but I'm the Detroit Tiger fan who still has a great big grin on my face since 1968! Frank Lary who pitched for the Tigers in the early 60's was "The Yankee Killer".Lolich pitched 3 COMPLETE games in a 7 game series against St.Louis & won all 3,also won series MVP."The Cardinal Killer".
RasMajnouni 10 months ago
you my friend are an idiot. "winning is what counts" try Gibson's 2 world series rings to your precious Lolich's one. Gibson's 2 Cy Youngs to Lolich's non and Gibson's 2.91 career ERA to Lolich's 3.44. you obviously know nothing about baseball
harrybalsagna81 2 years ago
@harrybalsagna81
Don't reference me as an idiot unless you're prepared to accept a wager over who has the highest I.Q. and the most graduate degrees. I live in Indiana. I'd love to meet you in a city half way between our domiciles and engage the services of a psychologist to administer a battery of I.Q. exams. The loser has to pay all expenses. Bring along your university transcripts as well. I also wager $1,000 I have successfully completed more years of grad school. How 'bout it big boy?
96rorrim 1 year ago
@96rorrim well considering i'm in high school its impossible to produce transcripts and graduate degrees. But anyone who would argue that mickey lolich is any comparison to bob gibson is in fact and idiot. theres a reason the guy 13 votes for the HOF. the same HOF that gibson is enshrined in.
harrybalsagna81 1 year ago
@harrybalsagna81
Give the man his due; in the 1968 series Lolich was the best pitcher on either team; we are not talking career but for the series.
RPenta 1 year ago
@harrybalsagna81 I think the graduate degrees don't quite cover common sense..
wogdoggy 11 months ago
@96rorrim wow you'd make a great know it all unemployed liberal..bet you'd prefer to meet in Madison too ..
wogdoggy 11 months ago
@harrybalsagna81
Yes, in other words, Mickey beat the so-called greatest pitcher of all time. We get the message.
RPenta 11 months ago
This is when the mound was higher and pitchers would compete for who could get the most shutouts. Its not like this anymore when the ball juiced and steroids!
tatomuck18 2 years ago
Bob Gibson was one intense SOB! Even his own teammates were wary of him. I remember his "glare" in at the plate, and his "falling off the mound" after delivery. One of the great pitchers of a truly great era, the 1960s. How great would it have been to see a Gibson v Koufax match up?
gvalley07 2 years ago 2
It would be interesting to hear from a guy like Joe Morgan who faced Koufax, Gibson and Marichal when all 3 pitchers were in their prime.
belitnakoff 2 years ago 3
@belitnakoff Rose had an interesting opinon on that...
Scoclamor 1 year ago
@gvalley07 They faced each other a few times...Bill White, his roomate, said that the first time he faced Gibson (he was traded...Gibby and him were once roomates). Gibson hit him right in the ribs. That was a message: We're not roomates any more!
Scoclamor 1 year ago
@Scoclamor
Gibson was a great pitcher, a major asshole, but a great pitcher;
Sorry, Gibby, Sandy was the best.
RPenta 1 year ago
@RPenta Was he EVER!
Dad will never forget: Kubek comes to the plate and fans on a curve. Richardson follows. Tresh takes a called strike three! Mantle looks at one on the outside corner, Maris fans on a curve...
Scoclamor 1 year ago
Bob was all buisness on the mound!. The Best... If you want to win your first game of a series... start GIBBY!
budsaplenty 2 years ago
i'm from detroit and i remember that series. gibson was great but the tigers ended up winning the '68 series 4-3
dcarman123 2 years ago
I love the MLB network so much, but these recreations are seriosly lame. Great idea. They just look awful.
joedits1 2 years ago 4
I'm a Pittsburgh Pirates fan so, I loved to "hate" him! I remember Roberto Clemente breaking Gibson's leg w/a shot through the box, was that in '67? Then he no-hit the Bucs in 1970, right after 3 Rivers Stadium opened. He and Drysdale weren't afraid to throw @ people, either! Where have they all gone?!
gmuny2002 2 years ago
That's what the late Curt Flood said. Hoot was one of my idols. I wished I could pitch like him.
Dietpepsivanilla 2 years ago
If your life was at stake on the outcome of the game... you''d want Gibby as your starting pitcher..
kelteckid 2 years ago 10
@kelteckid Na,Whitey Ford.He broke some of Babe Ruth's World Series pitching records in the early '60s.He could throw a strike blindfolded!Oh yeah,Ron Guidry struck out 18 LA Angels in June,1978!Go Yankees!
Marydawgs 1 month ago
Bob Gibson had one of the most fluid pitching motions of any pitcher. He was a fierce competitor.
epgrove1961 2 years ago