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  • If you choose to eat at Subway over a real sub shop you need to get a lobotomy and call it a day.

  • well of course they make bad cars, how else will they continue to make alot of cash? the cars need to be replaceable... its fucking worth buying an old AMC Pacer instead of a Prius

  • Louie's material has become so covalent and expansive in such a short time it's really fair to say he's changed up the game of comedy art and culture as well as moved society along into new paradigms just on pure honesty and wisdom alone. So much for the 40 year old comic who complains about parenthood, Louie has broken new ground and now we'll enjoy seeing what he's really made of.

  • i'm done responding to you so don't waste your time with another post directed at me. it will be ignored

  • this isn't about what i like or stroking my own ego over the good i may contribute. it's about people waking up & taking a look at how their actions reflect poorly upon the direction of the species

  • "Well I am saving... so I can buy some video ga--so I can have some video game experience for 10 seconds that will evaporate from my existence later."

    ... The fuck is he TALKING ABOUT. Overly cynical horseshit. My god.

  • Alright, alright. How about this? Everyone SHUTS THE FUCK UP AND ACTS until there's some good news to speak of.

  • cars running better in the 70's than now= pure nostalgia. way safer, fuel efficient, faster, power steering? im not even a petrolhead but its pretty simple

  • I don't agree with the music thing. I can remember the times when I used to go to an alternative record store and browse through the punk records. Today I can browse the whole internet for small bands and producers. I get so much info on the web about music, people from around the world giving me tips about their local bands etc. I find more good music on the web today than back in the days in that record store - some of it is on itunes, some of it is not. Some music is even free (legally!)

  • So Louie thinks that the country's market will improve when these trends fall...

    Anyone ready for a Project Mayhem waiting to happen?

  • These three videos really made me lose a lot of respect for this man.

    I don't know how someone who is such a brilliant comedian can be so wrong economically.

    Oh well.

  • @FromMuToYou I would love to know what you mean?

  • @FreeMeFromG

    The way he talks about businesses makes it sound like he has no knowledge of economic principles.

  • The music business has become a near pure profit.... no more album covers or delivery or managing inventories.... would have worked but the MUSIC SUCKS. Who buys music?

  • i actually save money going to the butcher

  • like most difficult issues it comes down to individual responsibility. i'm not ready to roll over just yet

  • Thumbs up for thumbs down on capitalism. And thumbs up if your poor too.

  • look around next time you're in public & look at all the people poking away at their smartphones. witness how social networking has made us so much more insular under the guise of bringing us together. i do not own a smartphone nor have any desire to. i do not have a facebook page. i have never been on twitter. i do not eat at starbucks or subway or shop at wal-mart or lowes. think about what it means to be HUMAN. we are losing that

  • @frantic0blivion19

    Nice rebellion you have going on. I agree with you that social networking is damaging. But on your other views, it may be that you're taking things too far with the stores and products mass produced; if you look around, everything you have in front of you is mass produced; capitalism is everywhere, there is no running away from it. Why rebel as an army of one? It is really unrealistic that things could change ideally. Not even the government could undo capitalism.

  • @cstrey14 An army of one does nothing. An army of many, who give a shit about their communities and their neighbors, can destroy this system of greed and corruption. What do you think OWS is all about? Or Anonymous?

    The government is just another arm of the corporations now, look at SOPA. They have made us feel powerless but we have all the power! Never forget that!

  • @frantic0blivion19 Despite tons of outside pressure, I am a mirror image of you. People my age treat me like an alien yet barely question why they're so strung up on every little, tiny thing imaginable. They don't even daydream anymore.

  • @frantic0blivion19 if youre the last human on earth id happily go live with a pack of dogs

  • that's fine. i'm sure you'd be able to relate with them much better

  • @frantic0blivion19 you claim you want people to interact and be closer to each other but youre this unique individual and so superior to everyone. instead of just complaining about things and demeaning others to make you feel better about yourself why not just enjoy the good things around or better yet actually contribute to something and actually make a difference

  • demeaning, eh? i'm not the one who initiated the insults, that would be you. you do not know me & i don't know you so i wouldn't start making assumptions. if standing by my personal convictions somehow makes me appear as if i have a superiority complex to you then maybe you should reexamine how your personal consumer choices reflect upon you. i do enjoy the good things. however they aren't mass-produced conviences. contribute & make a difference? you do not know me so what's to say i don't?

  • @frantic0blivion19 fair enough i was being too hostile but you certainly see yourself as being superior to other people based on pretty shallow judgements e.g. whether they have a smartphone or not. and its obvious that you dont make a difference because you would be talking about that rather than not owning a smartphone or a facebook profile.

  • @frantic0blivion19 basically what i mean to ask is rather than focusing on negativity what do you actually like? and id be careful about getting preachy about consumer choices because all of our consumer choices are harming someone along the line

  • i'm not sure why you decided to get all pissy with me because i don't think wal-mart is a good thing. we're amusing ourselves to death with smartphones. holding humanity to a higher standard should not be met with such resistance. calling people out on what is obviously counter-productive behaviour may seem as if i'm being mean or haughty but it's only because i know we have the capacity to be better than this & will not accept laziness as an excuse for losing our essential humanity

  • @frantic0blivion19 I'm the same way man. All this social media is bullshit. It's actually made humans more anti social than ever before . People can't even have a converstion face to face anymore. how the hell are you supposed to meet new people?

  • B.S. you can work on your car if your not a dumb fuck. Thank god distributor are gone, now you just have coils. cars run much better now days, cars still have fuel pumps there just in tank now.

  • I guess if corporations can be people, the reverse is also possible. Corporations actually kill competition, by either destroying it, or buying it. Competition also creates identity, but I suppose it's not communist at all that sooner or later we'll have one national eatery. Sheesh, we're already subsidizing McDonald's main ingredient, corn, it already kind of is, the official national eatery of America. It wouldn't be so awful, if the product was good! This really isn't progress.

  • "We got Rummy calling right at 8.30"

    Holy shit! This was the same day Louis trolled Donald Rumsfeld about the lizard thing. Dude was ON FIRE that day!!

  • Vinyl is actually on the rise, thankfully. People are starting to wake up and realize that cheaper products = shittier products. Hopefully there will be a resurgence of local shops.

  • If you want to make a change, change yourself.

  • For every brilliant mom and pop store, there were three that sold overpriced shitty products and refused to hire anyone that wasn't related to them.

  • We've got some pretty decent local places to eat in my town, but they're not getting any business. But Olive Garden is always packed, with a line out the door. C'mon, is it really that hard to go down the street and try some local flavor? Did your TV show you a bottomless basket of breadsticks, and now your brain is branded?

    And customer service? Forget it. Company policy. Fifteen years ago, if you tried to pull this corporate gouging, your boss would fire you for abusing customers.

  • I was fortunate to get my dream job rather early in my life and it was this. An old musty mom and pop hardware store with creaky wood floors , but they had everything you could possibly need tucked away somewhere. I would charge a little extra and rebuild an old man's faucet in the store , fix a broken window while we talked about the baseball team , hopefully you get the idea. Then in a blink I was assistant manager and life was good and my job made me feel good and I was a part of main street.

  • @majorjockitch Then I knew one day when one of those huge all-in-one lowe's type stores opened up 20 miles away and people atrted saying things like ,"well they're selling this for .40 cents cheaper I'm gonna go there." So yeah all this killing rests squarely on us.The awesome guy I worked for ended up working for some soulless shit store at a point in his life he shoulda been enjoying himself and I'm looking to not only find a job , but it changed my lifestyle and everything.

  • Louis is my favourite standup comedian but I disagree with pretty much everything he says across all 3 segments of this video. They sound like a bunch of old men in a retirement home complaining about progress like it's a bad thing lol.

  • @a3th3r Progress? What progress? Yes our civilization is more technologically advanced then it was 30 years ago, but on a human level, we're fucked. Nobody trusts anyone anymore, Nobody cares about their neighbors or having community pride anymore, nobody supports local business. Is it more convenient and cheaper to rent a movie on Netflix than the local movie joint? Sure, but It's all about saving a dime at any cost and avoiding human interaction. I think that's what he's talking about.

  • @qbranch88 ok grandpa.

  • @a3th3r Well said. I like how you gave facts and everything. I'm 26 and I've been saying this for a while now, Louis used strong examples of how communities used to, and by all intents and purposes, should operate but don't anymore due to as you call it "progress." It could be different in many other places around the world, but everything he says in these 3 videos i have seen happen in my own home town with my own two eyes over the past 20 years or so.

  • I love CK but I think you've gotta admit that selection (music, books, etc.) is way better now than ever before. Granted, this is thanks to the internet but still, it is a fact. And we live longer, and have better stuff. Also, most 50 year old shit is broken. It was simpler back then and there was less to break but its not like there was no bad furniture made in the 1900s. It's just that the good stuff is still around and the bad is long gone.

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  • Wow Louis Ck's critique of Capitalism owns Marx.

  • Louis CK for President?

  • Louis CK for president.

  • Louis CK is the fucking man.

  • Capitalism needs major surgical intervention

  • Maybe we will all be dead by the time this shit collapses already. Thats depressing!

  • Every day I feel more like I should really start to learn more survival skills and gather up stuff I can use to take care of myself and my loved ones if society collapses in the near future...

    I might be just paranoid but then again...

  • After working in retail for three years, I have come to realize the American consumer has become a fucking plague on the economy. People don't research what they buy, and corporations make billions of dollars manufacturing shit products that people blindly buy.

  • @SweetSoccerMoves Exactly. People are dumb shits and will do anything for "convenience" or a lower price. It applies to every product and its pretty funny.

    What ever happened to "you get what you paid for"?

  • @SweetSoccerMoves Actual wages in the United States has not gone up at all since the 1970's. This means in order to keep up with their bills and precious luxuries people are having to work more. The average American is so stressed out that they have lost the will to care about where their products are coming from. The system is the plague, not the people.

  • @SweetSoccerMoves I hate retaile work, I refuse to work in one EVER again

  • @SweetSoccerMoves It's not just America. Why are millions of people around the world buying Fifa 2012 when the only thing that's improved since Fifa 2011 is the interface and some bullshit "new" gameplay features? I'll tell you why. It's because it's "new" and "cool". Imagine if people used their heads and said to themselves "fuck this. Fifa 2011 is the same game. I'm NOT wasting $60". Then the makers of the video game would have to actually improve on their product in order to make money...

  • @SweetSoccerMoves Exactly which products are "shit" and do you own any of those? Just being devil's advocate

  • The problem doesn't lie with capitalism. Capitalism is the reason the mom and pop stores are there in the first place. What he's saying is, the fact we as consumers would rather go to starbucks over the local coffee shop is ruining everything.

    

  • @ryamason Correct. Capitalism is driven by the people who use it. It's like a gun. Even though guns have a bad rep, you don't see bridges taken down because of suicide. What about all those junkies abusing paint? What about stabbings? I don't see these soccer moms protesting against their kitchen tools. Just like guns, Capitalism is blamed for the choices we make. It's our way of making excuses for how shitty we are.

  • Its funny because they're hating on satellite radio when they're on satellite radio

  • The man is a prophet.

  • louis ck: funny marxist

    i love him

  • Thumbs up if you ever beat on a starter to get a car to start.

  • @mumbles005 Sometimes if you roll the car a few feet the rotation will pass the flat spot on the starter rotor and you're in business.

  • FX is a corporation too, Louie. Weren't you on a show a couple years ago talking about how everything is awesome but we're all too spoiled to appreciate it? What happened to that?

  • Corporatism is not capitalism

  • @zWzld that's still pretty vague though. You have any real world examples of what you're talking about?

  • @zWzld I always hear people say stuff like this and I always wonder exactly what regulations they're talking about. Not attacking you by any means, just hoping to understand your perspective. Can you give me any specific examples of "big government and needless regulation" stamping out the small businesses? Wouldn't the lack of regulation and the fact that we've allowed banks and media companies etc to become more and more consolidated and homogenized be the culprit for all this?

  • It's more of willingful ignorance of many Americans that is turning everything into shit.

  • @imreallyjin agreed

  • cars are better with computers.. you might not be able to work on it any more but, they are faster, more fuel efficient more safe, old cars are cool and iconic but not better.

  • @b4ptist My moms Mercedes Benz which is supposed to be an amazing car cost about $60k. Since we got it 5 years ago, we've put almost double back into it for maintenance. My dad's 1996 Ford Taurus cost maybe $16k, and has been running perfectly with only upholstery problems for 15 years. Says a lot about the quality to ~better~ cars. Or so you say.

  • @caboose3214 You've put $120k into your benz for maintenance. Did you drive it off a cliff? Stop talking out of your ass. Yes, Benzes cost more in maintenance than an old Ford Taurus. They're also faster, better looking, more comfortable, safer, more advanced, and better in almost every way. If it's so bad, trade it in and buy another Taurus and don't drive a Benz then.

  • @caboose3214 Mercedes had notorious build quality issues 5-10 years ago though, they cut their engineering & quality budget because some pencil-pusher decided their cars were too overengineered. I agree though, my car costs stupid amounts for small fixes like a pair of new control arms, which failed due to some nasty bumpy roads around here. But I can treat my (Chevrolet) truck like crap and it still continues to run perfectly.

  • @b4ptist don't you think they make them harder to work on for the common man so that they can sell you maintenance? Everything is set up to make more profit and limit the options consumers have. Not being able to do things yourself takes independence and power out of your hands. You have to pay a corporation that designed the limitation to help you. Gasoline is obsolete but since billionaires control it we can't move past it, we have to pollute our surroundings to get around.

  • Capitalism isn't turning everything to shit, Its just finding a better way to make money of the cult like followings of the products there pushing...kinda like what drug dealers do!

  • MAD MAX

  • I have no credit. I joined torrents... thats free ;) All of it

  • Money*=Interest, Q.E.D.

  • Consumerist cycle. Materials are purposely cheap so that when it breaks you return and buy another.

  • The talk about cars is bang on. I've been a mechanic for 15 years and the technology is absolutely ridiculous now, most of the technicians aren't 100% sure how it works let alone fixing it.... hahaha.

  • ugh this is so depressing

  • Culture & ideology are NOT your friend. - Terence McKenna

  • They make products shittier so you have to buy another from the same company, it's how they make money. It sucks, but it's the reality of fucking over your customers.

  • Thus, pirating music

  • LOL why are they crying fuck that you can download movies and music through the internet and just go out and do somethething else whats wrong with that.

  • he is so right - i would so relish some post-apocalyptic type shit.

  • thanks for uploading this, some very good points made and I wouldve never heard it unless it came across my viewing of louis ck on a massive youtube loop

  • We're all hypocrites. How can we scream about evil corporations as we patronize YouTube? For those who are unaware, YouTube is a subsidiary of the Google Corporation. Sitting comfortably at the #92 ranking on the 2011 Fortune 500 list, the Google recorded profits of $8,505,000,000. That is 8.505 BILLION dollars in PROFIT in one goddamn year! They are the nineteenth most profitable company in the U.S. and we are cutting the checks. Now excuse me while I bend over for the Google.

  • @keithfan555 Good point. And that's the biggest problem. The tide has already turned and there just isn't really anyway to go against it now. For example, I would bet good money everyone on this radio show that was bitching about starbucks probably grabbed a cup on their way to the studio. Where else would they go? There's probably only 1-2 small coffee houses for every 100 starbucks. Plus now you've got a whole generation growing up in this not even knowing what they're missing.

  • OH my, how is this even comedy?? It's so depressing.... Like, first, it was funny, but to think of how unfair it all feels..... it's horrible.

  • @MariposaRedimida Just because something made you think about reality for one second doesn't mean it isn't comedy. A resilient brain can operate in both realms. Not to be mean, but come on.

  • @bluemamie No, you're not mean, apparently, you're resilient, I'm not... or my brain isn't... You know when they say "it's funny because it's true", well in this case, it's so true it's... not funny anymore, people going out of business, people loosing out on social experiences, bonds, the sense of community, caring. Not saying he's not a good comedian, but in this case, it goes beyond comedy into a sort of reality check.

  • Louis is my favorite comic and a smart guy in many ways but he is completely off base about some of the ways in which technology and corporations have shaped our lives.

    -Apple vs Microsoft? Apple is the fuckhead that wont let your stuff work with anything else and locks you stuff up.

    -Music being harder to get or being more homogenous? Sure, if you dont know how to access the internet or use a fucking keyboard.

    I think if he understood the modern world he might actually like it a bit more...

  • @GoldenBears4Ever I know I will get some kind of fan boy hate for this but fuck it. The point that Louis is trying to make is that Apple made computers for personal use before Microsoft, who then managed to dominate the market. To the other point you raised, Apple being self contained provides quality control. With the music point, he is clearly talking about buying music from legitimate sources to support the musicians who create it, rather than torrenting and stealing it.

  • Capitalism is turning everything into shit. It all makes sense now.

  • @JohnGoodman909 shut the fuck up, i bet you don't even know shit.

  • @JohnGoodman909 It's not capitalism as a system that's failing, it's the people operating within the system. If people wouldn't buy and promote redundant products everything would run alot smoother.. and you know how theres a minimum wage, how about a maximum wage? Everything is healthy in moderation, and if you aren't happy on 100,000 USD a year then you have a serious priority issue. People need to be more aware of life outside of materialism and sensual pleasures..

  • @JohnGoodman909 I'd still maintain that its people that are turning everything into shit

  • @JohnGoodman909 Capitalism has nothing to do with Corporatism... Capitalism creates competition, Corporatism eliminates it.. Capitalism balances freedom of the public with limited government, Corporatism Corrupts government and enslaves the people!! Just saying get it right!! This rant is anti Corporatism not Capitalism.. Capitalism is what Creates and drives innovation and allows for ANYONE in a FREE society the OPPORTUNITY.. Its as much the public's fault as it corporations, government..

  • @WAbrewer426

    capitalism = corporatism

  • @JohnGoodman909 You better believe it. Society is changing from a place where people work to live, to a place where people live to work.....or be unemployed!! The corporations won't rest until they have shaped every part of society into what they need it to be for the profits to keep rolling in.

  • @JohnGoodman909 We don't have a capitalist economy. We have a mixed economy; a mixture of freedom and controls, the controls causing the problems that people blame on capitalism.

  • @JohnGoodman909 youre missing the point.. it isnt capitalism that makes things shitty.. capitalism gives people the opportunity to surrender to capitalistic business. people decided to change their habits. no one forced them to do _anything_. stop finger pointing like your whistle blowing.

  • @voodoocigam I agree. My dad has a stove that is 50 years old and still works but it is also still in his house because he decided to keep it. So many people throw out perfectly good things for the "newest" gadget and the companies catch on and start making stuff crappy. If you were at home making walking sticks that took 50 hours for one and then they were just thrown away after little to no use you would stop spending so much time on them and the quality would drop.

  • i believe Louis CK is carrying on George Carlin's legacy

  • @lesa9410 Yup, but what I really like about Louis is that he's, as you said, "carrying on" Carlin's legacy, not "copying."

  • @lesa9410 - yea yea almost man almost. Close close. I wish those radio hosts would shut their fucking envious mouths and let Louis CK talk the good stuff

  • @lesa9410 Carlin knew more about politics.

  • @lesa9410 No, that's Doug Stanhope. But Louis CK is great too.

  • When they started talking about subway versus the local deli, I was so happy. I've used that very example in a sociology class during a media impact discussion in the frame of conflict theory, and here Louis CK is, making me feel validated.

  • i listened to all three parts but am i the only one who realized that they're bitching about big corporations but yet they're on a satellite radio

  • @codychacha13 The radio waves should be free. If you had listened to any word of this, actually listened, you wouldn't make such an inconsequential, trite comment.

  • These big business places like mcdonalds and Wallmart are ruining America. They pay every branch Of worker minimal for their job and have the real money go to the few in charge. They kill family business around them and like loius said: after they eliminate the competition they don't need to try anymore

  • I have never been in a Subway that weighed their sandwiches. Must be an NYC thing.

  • The Counter-Argument to this: The "Underpants Gnomes" episode of South Park.

  • louis ck is an amazing mind. i wish sincerely that i eventually can see the world the way he does. after watching this series of videos i am so sad that i dont get to see all the family owned shops that he talks about .. i feel like i am missing out on the real culture.

  • solution: move to canada!

  • @blaiserfilms ya ok..whatever. U don't have Subways, Starbucks, Blockbusters, etc there...that was the dumbest post.

  • @shawndw1000 haha what the fuck? they're everywhere... i hope that was sarcastic man, otherwise actually you made the dumbest post ever...

  • @blaiserfilms yes...sarcasm. Point is moving to Canada isn't gonna help anymore than staying in the US. Same thing is happening there too! Unless i lived in a hut in the middle of the woods in Alberta. Then I wouldn't have to worry about it.

  • @blaiserfilms I'm in Canada, haven't seen small stores yet... where do I go?

  • One place were u can still get pretty friendly service with some life long guy regular guy who u know, the dry cleaners (atleast in my experience)

  • @qwertyhuio Seinfeld....lol

  • Louis CK takes the argument to a whole new level here. Of course, things were already taken to that level by Murray N. Rothbard and F.A. Hayek, in the intellectual sphere, but Louis does it here with comedy, and that's great. His core arguments are all against crony capitalism, not capitalism, which is an unknown ideal. Even Ayn Rand knew that, and the great irony is that her student was Alan Greenspan who knew it too, and then sold out to the pressure of serving the international bankers...

  • @pleasewaittovoteagai Capitalism isn't 'an unknown ideal', it's more that it's so fundamental to how humans interact that how well it lives up to ideals you project onto it is going to depend entirely on how human beings behave. Human beings can be relied on to behave badly at least some of the time, so a perfect libertarian system (which would rely on businesspeople behaving fairly) is as impossible as a perfect communist system (relying on the government behaving fairly).

  • Louis CK is fucking genius

  • Ok, that's about all the false nostalgia/cultural amnesia that I can take for today.

  • Cool stuff... but why be against cars that can't be worked on, while supporting Apple, which requires you to pretty much take it in to the apple store if it breaks. Microsoft's Windows OS, which is as faceless of a corporation/OS as can be, at least allows you to easily access most of the inner workings of the OS, such that it can be easily fixed.

  • @yellowsubmarine32 to work on either you have to have knowledge. Irrelevant argument. I swap parts, write programs etc; on my macbook. This is because I have an understanding of the device. Much like I do for my desktop PC as well. This really isn't a good argument.

  • @fortyfivefive5 It really isn't a good argument but he's right about mac laptops or pc laptops. Desktops support tinkering rather you have a pc or mac but the laptops are so small now that it really takes qualified people to work on it and why not if you bought the warranty. If you haven't then you're fucked. Good luck working on a airbook without fucking it up.

  • @lanser87 did you disregard my entire post and just write that? It's a bad argument because both device 'types' require some background knowledge prior to fucking with it. If you don't understand the cabling structure, what ribbons go where, how to screw in a fan etc; you can't play with a PC or a mac. They'er the exact same thing man, they're both just personal computers, 1 is proprietary and has a great warranty that a lot of users buy because it's easier to hand it over.

  • @lanser87 the other is manufactured by hundreds of other brands who may or may not have great warranties and may or may not have a store near you where you could easily drop it off and have it serviced.  We're not fully considering what is being said and how silly it really is. We're so determined to believe that Mac devices are foreign. They're not, their internal parts look the exact same. You need to know what chips work with what devices etc; on both PC and Mac.

  • @fortyfivefive5 What's not a good arguement is that your declaring your knowledge of an object as something that everyone should have. Not all companies give a damn about the consumer. Otherwise there wouldn't be a ton of Ipod models. They tweek on thing and assume the consumers are idiots and going to buy, when in fact, the Zune or a walkman can provide the same thing. It's about targeting the idiot consumer. I own a laptop and a desktop. PC. I can't stand macs.

  • @akaRavenwolf You're not understanding what I said. I didn't declare that everyone ought to have my level of understanding. I did declare that no matter what you're tinkering on, you would need some basis of understanding or otherwise, you'll have a pile of expensive junk. Good job on being a fanboy, worse than the ones you're attempting to combat. "I'm a part of TEAM [anything]" is just silly. You're quite a presumptuous person though, you've been duped by adverts and you're not even aware

  • @fortyfivefive5 Good job on being a fanboy? I'm not that big of a fan of Louis CK, nor that horrible tag you just placed on me. I don't like the fact that he went to television as an actor rather then performing comedy that.. made sense. I research everything I do, so being duped by adverts is not likely ;)

    I like to think of myself as a self made man.

  • @akaRavenwolf he still performs hes just making money with tv

  • @RAMSTERLORD Yup

  • Norwegian here. Close to the school (college-ish) I attended this last school year there is an internet café combined with a bakery, with good food and free internet, that I'd go to about half the days of the week and hang out at. It wasn't a chain, and was in fact half the time staffed by local teenagers who loved the place and worked for free to keep it going. On my last day there they gave me a free chicken ciabatta and put an umbrella and a farewell note on it.

    I love Norway sometimes...

  • @Tleilaxu0 If you go to "gymnasiet" then you're going to the equivalent of high school, not college. Just a pet peeve of mine =P

  • @stonedac Well actually, it was a folkehøgskole. Which is at about the same age/level, but is only one year, with less prestige but more freedom.

  • @Tleilaxu0 Fucking love Norway....

  • I hate to say it, but Louis really just sounds like and old man complaining about how everything was better "back in my day."

    My experience with the mom and pop stores (which I do seek out if I have the time) has been thus: they know they are going to fail against whatever corp takes an interest, and thus are fairly depressing places. Half the time they don't have what I want. The other half, the employees are surly because they know they won't have a job in six months.

  • Luckily enough I have a butcher in the neighborhood who also owns a massive farm with all free range animals. And sometimes his meat is cheaper than walmarts, and so much better too. Plus the guy introduced me to the greatest thing of all time, blue cheese burgers.

  • He's 100% right about butchers. Unfortunately you can't fucking find one nowadays. You have to buy meat at Krogers or Mejier, and it's all shit. I used to buy steaks at a local butcher (that closed 2 years ago), and the taste was incredible. Now you get bland, tough crap because you have no other choice.

  • Butcher's and meat markets have much better meat than any grocery store.

  • Here is the reality of the situation, right now:

    I've written this message at my keyboard and you have no idea who I am, or where I am. You can't here my tone of voice, you can't make eye contact with me, you can't see my mannerisms and gestures, you can't hear my intonation. This text is static, and sterile. Communication is being withered down to writing skills, barely LOLOLOL. We're humans and our fundemantal aspects of communicating between eachother are being dismissed, forgotten.

  • @SilvrDragon52 well put!

  • @SilvrDragon52 The fundamental aspect of communication is a message. As in, an idea. If anything, the fundamental aspect of communication is being clarified.

  • @hoboninja54 Certainly, but what is an idea worth if not defined by and understood in it's context? Do you think that the context is extraneous information? Nothing is static or inherently meaningful. Calling the ignoring of context 'clarity' would mean redefining the parameters of what a message is worth, away from human nature.

    As humans, our communications are worth far more than just what comes through in text.

  • @SilvrDragon52 Agreed, because so much of interactive communication is non-verbal.

  • @SilvrDragon52 Sure. So this means you have already forgotten there were non-personal ways of communicating with others like letters and newspapers before the Internet? The main difference is that communications have become greatly massified and inmediate in real time.

  • @TheKafkianProcess Writing is involved in the same exact process, simply to a lesser degree. It's not much part of the current discussion simply because the prominent reason all of this is even a current issue is due to computers & the internet changing communications at an exponential rate. Compare the majority of civilzations using alphabets for thousands of years, with the majority of civilzations transferring to digital communication within 2 decades.

  • @TheKafkianProcess I'll try and sum it up neatly by saying that, while reading/writing was a slow process to evolve, the degree to which it hindered 'humanistic' communications was pretty negligible; At the very least I imagine it actually brought people together face-to-face more in offering a new form of organization for civilations.

    Internet communication with it's immediacy (as you mentioned), abruptly trades for speed with what I would consider almost a complete removal of humanism.

  • @SilvrDragon52 I agree. Written communication was originally only useful for sending messages over long distance. Now, it's easier to communicate with my neighbor via facebook or texting than to walk across the street.

  • @SilvrDragon52 You spelled 'fundamental' wrong. 

  • @dudupoduappu I know.

  • In my economics class, I had a really conservative teacher. Not once did she mention the effect that when there is an influx of corporate chain spreading that there is an equal decrease in the opportunity of entrepreneurship and all around unemployment due to corporations constant outsourcing. We want more jobs we gotta limit these god damn corporations power. Sure, people should be allowed to succeed, but not be allowed to create a machine bent on destroying everybody else.

  • this is all depressing.

  • holy shit, this man is brilliant.

  • Lets bring it down!!!

  • The Subway thing is spot on. There are the most depressing, shoddy people working there making shitty sandwiches for clones of themselves, and yuppies.

  • I really wish I had been born earlier to experience a