I love when those peta skanks think they have somekind of connection with the animals. How do they know whether that monkey loves to play with newest technology or just hurl shit at the closest object?
Ooh look how much pain is this monkey going through! Call ALF and PETA!
Really, if any of you animal right activist is unlucky enough to lose a limb live without it and don't be so arrogant to expect an artificial replacement.
Now its poor monkey, but tommorow its you or your childs who are able to eat single f*** soup with spoon by yourself ... if you become armless after an accident or so.
I saw this on jon stewart's the daily show today, the guy thats inventing this and they say in 4 or 5 years, theyre gonna have an exoskeleton of a robotic nanosuit(kinda like in the game Crysis) that is going to help move the from neck down paralyzed quadraplegic around, and walk and everything, just by sending neurological impulses to his robo vest. Fucking amazing. Kinda makes me think if I'm actually in the Matrix right now
@FletcherAviation What do you mean? Neurology is the study of how brains work. Of course it is neurology. Secondly the wire they use to connect to the brain is 1/5 the width of a human hair, they are so tiny it has virtually no physical impact on their brain. They are made for connecting to the brain. It's like saying doesn't putting that plug into the socket hurt the socket? Well over time if you frequently remove and plug it in, it might cause wear but, no the monkey is fine.
why not just hav the monkey use its real arm???? why do we need robot monkey feeding arms?? why not give the arm to a trainwreck victim or a sodlier with no arms so he can feed
@Ratama Are you serious right now? They test these things on other animals first because if they apply it to a human and something goes wrong the whole thing will be scrapped because humans are hellbent on getting revenge especially for medical malpractice. It's better to perfect it on someone who isn't going to drain all financial sources for the project if they don't get the results they wanted. That's another thing, humans have a predetermined notion of what they want.. Marshmallows.. mmm.
my friend told me that they did this same experiment and wired the monkey brain to a controller for the game pong (i think or asteroids without asteroids) and the monkey was playing the game just by thinking
that monkey looks like hes freakin out being able to controll something that big and that he cannot feel. i would be..... it would be the most awkward experience...
You know what's funny? Everone is like "poor monkey, poor monkey", yet the entire point of the experiment depends on the monkey's cooperation. Notice how the robotic arm isn't reaching back to pull the fucking cords out of it's head or break the box or strangle a researcher. It's reaching for fucking marshmallows. You can see pretty clearly what the monkey has on it's mind and it isn't "oh how much this sucks". It's "mmmmm. marshmallows".
btw "Notice how the robotic arm isn't reaching back to pull the fucking cords out of it's head or break the box or strangle a researcher. It's reaching for fucking marshmallows. You can see pretty clearly what the monkey has on it's mind" made my day
@thomasford stupid comment, the monkey is not responsible for their actions, it's obviously sedated, so experience with animals is an incredible meanness
@thomasford u fail to consider the monkey was probably not fed for a significant amount of time in order to induce it to seek food. and u also fail to consider that this is a 1 minute video. how do u know the monkey didn't attempt to escape prior to this portion of the film? if he did try, he probably would've soon realized the futility of it as this mechanical arm has a severely limited range of motion. i'm all for technological and scientific progress. but your lack of reasoning astonishes me.
Okay, I'm gonna try this again because I was a bit harsh in my first response to you.
You've essentially just pulled a bunch of bullshit speculation out of your asshole. Kindly place it right back up your ass, if you please. You've created some bizarre and obviously quite biased narrative in your head about what must have happened. This isn't some disney cartoon. Starvation? Prove that shit. I see no evidence of that. Monkey tried to escape? Once again, what's your evidence?
@thomasford of course i was speculating. because that's exactly what u did. u stated firmly that the monkey was cooperating on his own free will. based on what evidence? a 1 minute video? u think no prep preceded this? and as for STARVING the monkey, i never said such a thing. i said "not fed for a significant amount of time." that can simply mean 6 hours w/out food. the fact that u took that to mean STARVING is just another example of u taking superficial data to make profound assumptions.
MY "speculation" is based on what we see in the video. Nothing more. The monkey is sitting there, making no noises or desperate motions- and believe it when I say a distressed monkey is pretty easy to spot- and controlling the arm to eat marshmallows. That's all we see. You can't just propose that they must've been harsh to the monkey. What evidence do you have more coercion was needed? You don't think a monkey would love some marshmallows?
@thomasford wow. you're making HUGE assumptions by putting blinders on to the fact that this 1 min video CANNOT be the entirety of the experiment. like i said, no wild animal is going to cooperate on the first go. he had to be trained (i.e. punished) for not cooperating, thereby leading him to cooperate to avoid punishment, most likely in the form of food deprivation. and this isn't a perfected mechanism. most likely there were many failed attempts, the possibility of which u completely ignore.
@thomasford and if u think the monkey is WILLFULLY cooperating, why strap his neck down? why not just his hands and feet? i mean, it's ok for him to lunge forward with his neck right, as long as he's maneuvering the robotic arm, right? u failed to consider the POSSIBILITY that such an extensive lockdown is used to avoid the monkey attacking the lab technicians or trying to free itself. and why would a wild animal attack people who keep poking it and strapping it down and operating on its head?
@star999nine you say these things but I bet you still use products that were tested on animals. Live in the real world would ya, nearly all of the medical advancements are because of tests like this
@MetalStorm48 animals, yes. primates, no. it's very easy to find out which companies do and which don't test on primates. and to revert back to my initial response, i'm not saying these things because i'm some nutty PETA fanatic. i'm saying these things cuz it's profoundly absurd that people like thomasford think this monkey is happy based solely on this 1-min video. for any well-functioning human to come to an absolute conclusion from a 1-min vid (that clearly discloses little) is risible.
@star999nine oh no please don't clog up my inbox with another confusing 70 one sided comments arguing my 2 sentences like you did with thomasford! and like he said, the monkey in this video (which we are actually talking about) isn't really trying to get out of its restraints. Go get a job instead of spending your days trolling on a ten year old second hand computer and living of the governments money
@MetalStorm48 wow, assumptions abound. i'm a doctoral student with a teaching assistantship, so thanks for your advice, but no thanks. and aren't u at home during a weekday also? anyway, this video only shows that the monkey wants the marshmallows. it doesn't show us how the researchers got it to do so. if a monkey sat down and did this on the first try, it'd be in every science section of the news. in order to get a wild animal to cooperate, there must first be punishment and deprivation.
@MetalStorm48 thomasford saying this monkey appears content in this 1-min video and so those who pity it r wrong to do so, is absurdly ignorant. it's like anthropologists living with a tribe in the brazilian rainforest for a week and then going home to write a book about how peaceful the tribes people r (reinforcing the myth of the noble savage), completely ignoring that per capita there is exponentially more violence in the history of savages than in any civilized nation. get an education, man.
@star999nine I think I can safely assume I am more intelligent than you and please find me an exact quote in what thomasford says to back up what you said he says because otherwise its just you speculating out of yours arsehole I think he said, or something like that
@MetalStorm48 an idiot like u WOULD think he's smarter than anyone who happens to have a differing opinion. thomasford's comment up top clearly states that people who pity this monkey's plight r wrong cuz this monkey is cooperating. the idiocy of this remark is that it ignores everything that precedes such experimentation. do u truly believe that this monkey wasn't trained through punishment and deprivation? u think this was his first attempt? do u know anything about treatment of lab animals?
@MetalStorm48 and for god's sake, please contribute more than a simplistic you're-stupid-and-i'm-smart type of comment. as u see, i've continually bolstered my opinion with evidence and arguments, whereas all u do is attack me personally. i admit, i've attacked u too, but at least i offer intellectual points as well. explain to me WHY u feel i'm wrong, and not simply that i AM wrong. and PLEASE do so by offering some new points. not reiterating what's already been discussed.
@MetalStorm48 also, most pharmaceutical companies no longer test on primates because of laws, costs, and lack of success. the US is the only country that still tests on apes. nice try with ur argument. but it isn't an argument at all. it's simply a poor attempt at an accusation (directed at the arguer) with no facts to back it up. ur guilty of AD HOMINEM. and lastly, NO, nearly all medical tests r NOT like this. ur the most dangerous type of person: someone who makes grand claims with no facts.
@thomasford i'm no animal rights activist but it's shocking how obtuse some people r. "the monkey is cooperating in this short vid. so he MUST be satisfied." logical deduction for the insane. it's taken out of its natural environment, locked in a lab, most likely lost its mother (significant if it's a male, as male primates have super strong bonds w/ their mother), had its skull carved, strapped into a machine every so often, and ur conclusion is it's happy cuz it reaches for the marshmallows?
@thomasford as for bizarre speculations, this is what we KNOW (and which you've ignored): 1. this is NOT the monkey's natural environment; 2. the monkey does NOT have freedom of will or (in this case) movement; 3. it does NOT experience normal social interaction as it would in the wild; 4. it's skull was partially removed in order to implant the control device; 5. it will be experimented on for the rest of its life (u can look up the reasons behind this last fact online.)
@thomasford and u actually think the monkey wasn't extensively prepped prior to this video? u think they just plucked it out of the jungle, implanted the device and he was able to do this on the first go? in order to create incentive in training animals, u have to deprive it in the case of failure. so the monkey had to learn that failing to cooperate or succeed in the experiment meant that food was denied it. and by process of elimination, it'd learned what the scientists wanted him to do.
@thomasford doesn't make what they're doing right. don't get me wrong I study neuroscience, but you can't be one sided when it comes to the argument about morals and ethics. btw your swearing is unnecessary.
He's not suffering. He's sitting in a box eating yummies. And if this sort of research can one day repair spinal cords and improve artificial limbs, then I think it's worth shortening the lives of a few monkeys.
wow, you do not know how to computer at all, you may have a point, it would be much more ethical to use stupid people like you for experimentation than the monkeys.
Watch the monkeys hand in the tube on the left when he's trying to grab a marshmallow. His right hand is mimicking the action of the bot hand. Especially noticeable when the mallow is placed higher than normal 0:20 and the mokey misses, watch his hand. It's not fake watch the strip of wires exposed when he turns his head.
I couldn't see the EEG sensors on the monkey's head... there seems like a cable of some sort moving about when the monkey turns its head, but I think it is more connected to the neck collar... this footage is not convincing to me as a viewer...
Well then you're a moron. This is pretty established science buddy. And no, that big ass bundle of cables isn't attached to it's collar. Why the hell would they have that? It's electrodes attached to the brain. If you think that it's fake, don't you think the first thing they would've done is made it look pleasing to your untrained eye? You know, a bunch of silly little suction cups all over the head and a little electronic graphing machine facing right at the camera? I hope you fucking die.
That debate is very touching. But If you were paraplegic you would appreciate a lot to have a third arm. That monkey is an animal that was only grown for that mission. Like the calf you eat or the milk that its mother produces to feed it, unknowing that the calf isn't in the farm but on your dish.
@thomasford the monkey goes nuts every day when it's time to take his arm away.
So nuts about loosing the arm that there are concerns of future soldiers forming emotional bonds to weapon systems like combat prosthetics. As in getting PTSD from loosing your terminator arm.
How so, I think when I get older than 30, I might even replace my arms with this, imagine the strength you can have to be honest.
Or control computers by single brain thoughts, imagine, these people who work on this could better your life, and save lives.
Whoever has lost limbs are going to be able to control artificial limbs soon because of these people, stop hating on them, praise them for making someone elses easier, more brain knowledge = better people = better animals = better planet.
Stop moaning about the monkey! He's being fed, no harm is being done. Jeez!
Now, I think this is a briliant step in technology! I wonder if this kind of technology could be used to replace peoples lost limbs? It would be a great thing! People having a fuctional arm or leg again. This could be used for medical purposes! Think about how many lives this will help.
did anyone ask the cow if it wanted to be in the burger u ate for lunch? did anyone ask the rabbit if it wanted to test the shampoo u used this morning? did anyone ask ur dog if it wanted to live with u? did anyone ask the silk worm if it felt like making ur frilly underwear?people never make such arguements if the anumal is serving themself a purpos. im sure if u were blind and animal testing could make u see-u wouldnt say this
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Animals weren't put on this planet for us to torture. My pets are happy since they have food and shelter and need not worry about predators. I don't eat meat and I use products that aren't tested on animals. I don't wear frilly underwear, nor am I worried about blindness.
If humans are to benefit from these experiments, then experiment on humans. Stop and think about the other forms of torture they're putting this monkey and the myriad of other defenseless animals through.
just because u use a shampoo that hasnt been tested on animals doesnt mean it wasnt formulated from previous testing. a specific brand brach from a single company can put that logo on the bottle even though another branch does animal testing, so infact u arent saving any animals. if u really believe ur not supporting any animal use ur nieve. and how do u know this monkey is in pain? the brain has no nerves so it cant feel any of the elctrodes in its head
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Actually, I can guarantee that my shampoo isn't tested on animals since I make my own soaps containing no animal byproducts and are most certainly not used on my animals for testing purposes.
You're just an ignorant, uneducated sod who really needs to get over himself.
easy for u, someone who can see and hear, to look down on people from your moral "im better then u" position. if this research means someone can see for the first time id say its worth it, and i can only hope u are affected by some disease that gives u the dame disability. maybe then ud understand that NO research involving animals isnt an option. i think u really need to look into all the products in your home, because many of them were made involving animals, even if its animal labour.
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I'll say it again, experiment on humans if you want to benefit humans. Stop killing animals in the name of science. Stop the extinction of every living creature other than human beings. Diseases and disabilities are Nature's way of saying that you are inferior. Accept what you are.
actually we are superior over animals wich is why we use them to experiment... because we own them... if we were inferior they would be experimenting on us
You silly, narrow minded, ignorant bastard. We don't "own" animals, and have no right to experiment on them. Silly cunt - we should use idiots like you to test things on.
and thats reality, if that makes me ignorant for realizing animals have been used for 1,000's of years and still are today, wether its on the label or not. then whats that make u, someone whos in complete denial
Listen, I'm not in denial. I've chosen to live my life by leaving the smallest possible footprint on the Earth and its glorious creatures. No animal should ever be harmed in the name of science, and if you think that the monkey in this video isn't suffering, then you're a blind fool. It should be in a jungle, swinging from vines and flinging poo. I hope you never suffer being caged and tormented for no good reason.
then sell your house and your clothes and go make friends with the antelope in africa so you can run from tigers all day until you finally get raped by an orangatang to death
The monkey is not feeling pain from this procedure. There is no sense of pain in the brain proper, that is, when things are being done to it. All the "poor" monkey suffers is the awesome privilege of having a third arm. This is torture ... how?
@odenskrigare You're an idiot. Firstly, you have no understanding of what's actually involved in this experiment - so you have no right to comment on whether pain is involved. Secondly, pain is not just physical. The monkey is in a completely foreign habitat, a fucking medical lab. You make me despair for humanity, please fucking die slowly, ok?
@odenskrigare I also learned somewhere that the brain it self cant feel. Only the protection layer between the skull and the brain. So the monkey doesn't feel at all. And those people need to stop whining. If it was done on humans than in was UNhuman or crazy.
@odenskrigare the entire brain has no tactile sense, not just the motor cortex. but how do u think the device is implanted? u have to first cut through the skull, the result of which is scar tissue, which can cause other problems. i think such experimentation with live subjects r crucial, but don't try to downplay the effects it has on the subjects.
@odenskrigare it's true the entire cortex (not just the motor region) has no sense of touch and therefore feels no pain. however, since the brain isn't an exposed organ, in order to implant any device in the brain, one must first cut through the scalp and skull. such surgeries require painful recovery. it shocks me that the top two rated comments on this page r the ones that make an assessment based SOLELY on this 1-min vid, without any regard to what had to precede it. never seen such myopia.
@star999nine Wow, an animal lover! Let 100 men die for one pet's survival, is it? Somehow, men came to decline that. If the important experiment would involve the monkey being slowly and painfully torn to shreds, it would have been done nonetheless despite such protesters. So pet lovers, I recommend you being grateful that the monkey is not in terrible agony during all its life: remember, there's always something worse. Always.
@ShadeAKAhayate first, your process of thought is barely coherent. it looks like a google translation of some foreign language into english. second, where do i suggest that animals should be spared at the expense of mankind? i'm an advocate of any research that reduces the suffering of man. however, the level of sentience of primates (a group of which humans r a member), even the lower species, is so high it'd be like arguing that killing a human toddler is ok if it'll save a human adult.
@ShadeAKAhayate the non-human higher primates (chimps, gorillas, bonobos, orangutans) at the age of 3 have a better grasp of abstract logic than a 3 year-old human. just cuz humans have come to dominate this world doesn't make it moral to behave tyrannically. if i had to choose between saving 1 human or 1 ape, of course i'd save the human. however, most of these experiments r not a matter of life-or-death for humans. they r matters of life-improvement, and most often with the goal of profit.
@star999nine You've spelled it correctly: we ARE the dominant species on this planet. A _bit_ of hurt for several apes is nothing compared to what such research can yield. For us. This (watch?v=rSrIkUXwsNk) research, for example, gave us life support machines. Note that it led to death of the animal, and I doubt it was tranquilized to the levels it didn't hurt as hell. Now compare that to this experiment and think where you animal lovers are wrong.
@ShadeAKAhayate did u even read my previous reply before typing up this last drivel? cuz it really sounds like u didn't. u conveniently ignore all my arguments and continue to name-call, calling me "animal lover," (whatever that is exactly) even though i've repeatedly admitted otherwise. u keep oversimplifying my argument to an "us vs. them," although this isn't at all what i've been arguing. higher ethics r rarely as black and white as u make them out to be. please read all my previous posts.
@star999nine this experiment is clearly not cruel? u think the monkey is controlling the arm telekinetically without having had something implanted in his brain? u think the monkey isn't locked in cage or room all day? u don't think it goes through intensive training? do u also believe that slavery is innocent and right? since u believe the dominant being can do anything they want to other beings, u must approve of whites enslaving blacks. and what is wrong with caring for animals???
@odenskrigare generally nobody but bizarre sex perverts enjoy being restrained, the poor monkey was quite possibly distressed for a little bit at least upon first being harnessed into this device.
@catbeef actually the monkey gets a bit violent when you try to get him away from the robotic arm... so much so that it brought up the subject of people forming emotional bonds to robotic arms.
The trauma is in taking his new arm away every day.
I love when those peta skanks think they have somekind of connection with the animals. How do they know whether that monkey loves to play with newest technology or just hurl shit at the closest object?
TehRasia 1 week ago
Ooh look how much pain is this monkey going through! Call ALF and PETA!
Really, if any of you animal right activist is unlucky enough to lose a limb live without it and don't be so arrogant to expect an artificial replacement.
cecerchio 2 weeks ago
I want to replace every "stopid houmans pour monkey shud be in da wild"-commenter's arms with robotic one.
susliq 2 weeks ago
I just hope that they monkey isn't entirely dependent on this arm if it is than that is horrible!
alwayseve 3 weeks ago
Stuped hummans
camio199 3 weeks ago
@camio199 hummans are the worst
tuesdayisrentday 3 weeks ago
poor monkey should b in the wild assholes
TIMZ3R 3 weeks ago
It's funny and also sad how these great videos of scientific progress always boils down to an augument about the f... monkey :/
PETA-freaks, speak your lame and naive opinions somewhere else. This is about the marvels of science - not animal ethics.
cowboydiver87 1 month ago
shame you can't see the monkey's skull lol
bigceej69 1 month ago
Didn't we learn from planet of the apes: rise of the apes? Never give monkeys' power.. noobs
emograss110 1 month ago
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Great video keep up the good work.
NewAgeDirector 2 months ago
The monkey appears to get frustrated with how slow the arm is.
ZeF2007inc 4 months ago 12
They need to do this with a dolphin or like somekind of device to let them talk like us.
ItsQuin 4 months ago
OMG!!!! Is this real??? HOLY SHIT!!!! I had no idea that technology has reached this level!
P.S It's surprising that this video has 40000 views while the iphone4 review has over 2000000
cyberlord64 5 months ago
the monkey is having fun...
zoveia 5 months ago
convenient obstruction in teh corner there.
LemonPieLoL 5 months ago
Now its poor monkey, but tommorow its you or your childs who are able to eat single f*** soup with spoon by yourself ... if you become armless after an accident or so.
pangrac1 6 months ago
awful
jonasth123 6 months ago
Monkey robots
borismontoya136 7 months ago
There is some kind of IDE cable atached to the monkey's brain. I hope they can try with humans soon.
paulohsms 7 months ago
Aperture Science
we do what we must because we can
BadVoodo0 7 months ago 7
is this program called braingates?
please respond .. i need answer asap for school presentation
bellalyana 9 months ago
I saw this on jon stewart's the daily show today, the guy thats inventing this and they say in 4 or 5 years, theyre gonna have an exoskeleton of a robotic nanosuit(kinda like in the game Crysis) that is going to help move the from neck down paralyzed quadraplegic around, and walk and everything, just by sending neurological impulses to his robo vest. Fucking amazing. Kinda makes me think if I'm actually in the Matrix right now
Hrko1992 10 months ago
that monkey looks yummy.
XxChaosDemonChildxX 10 months ago
im not gona use this, i m scared to touch some boobs
brahim121985brahim 10 months ago
@FletcherAviation What do you mean? Neurology is the study of how brains work. Of course it is neurology. Secondly the wire they use to connect to the brain is 1/5 the width of a human hair, they are so tiny it has virtually no physical impact on their brain. They are made for connecting to the brain. It's like saying doesn't putting that plug into the socket hurt the socket? Well over time if you frequently remove and plug it in, it might cause wear but, no the monkey is fine.
agronoxdt 11 months ago
That's...surreal. There's so much potential in this helping paralyzed people.
OJReadMore 1 year ago
why not just hav the monkey use its real arm???? why do we need robot monkey feeding arms?? why not give the arm to a trainwreck victim or a sodlier with no arms so he can feed
Ratama 1 year ago
@Ratama its an experiment. i doubt they intend to keep that arm on the monkey
mrwilliwizard 1 year ago
@Ratama Are you serious right now? They test these things on other animals first because if they apply it to a human and something goes wrong the whole thing will be scrapped because humans are hellbent on getting revenge especially for medical malpractice. It's better to perfect it on someone who isn't going to drain all financial sources for the project if they don't get the results they wanted. That's another thing, humans have a predetermined notion of what they want.. Marshmallows.. mmm.
agronoxdt 11 months ago
@Ratama you are the dumbest person
EVER
cartmanland91 10 months ago
@Ratama thats like.. the whole point of the experiement. you know. experimenting. lmao
drag00re 6 months ago
my friend told me that they did this same experiment and wired the monkey brain to a controller for the game pong (i think or asteroids without asteroids) and the monkey was playing the game just by thinking
HKLesterol 1 year ago
that monkey looks like hes freakin out being able to controll something that big and that he cannot feel. i would be..... it would be the most awkward experience...
sparky1570784 1 year ago
@sparky1570784 Looks to me more like he is freaking out that the marshmallows are so far away and he would rather them be in his mouth.
agronoxdt 11 months ago
You know what's funny? Everone is like "poor monkey, poor monkey", yet the entire point of the experiment depends on the monkey's cooperation. Notice how the robotic arm isn't reaching back to pull the fucking cords out of it's head or break the box or strangle a researcher. It's reaching for fucking marshmallows. You can see pretty clearly what the monkey has on it's mind and it isn't "oh how much this sucks". It's "mmmmm. marshmallows".
thomasford 1 year ago 118
@thomasford lol -indeed sir...marshmallows are the future of science
MIXDRINX 1 year ago
@thomasford the monkey must be very very hungry..it'd do anything for food
3333kevin 1 year ago
@thomasford Thank god for someone who understands how science works.
olimar2001 1 year ago
@thomasford inside a monkeys mind
"Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! ....... marshmallows marshmallows marshmallows marshmallows marshmallows marshmallows marshmallows marshmallows marshmallows marshmallows."
btw "Notice how the robotic arm isn't reaching back to pull the fucking cords out of it's head or break the box or strangle a researcher. It's reaching for fucking marshmallows. You can see pretty clearly what the monkey has on it's mind" made my day
s3kShUn08 10 months ago
@thomasford agreed id do it for marshmallows. give him some peeps and he might do some math.
duvalbob 10 months ago
@thomasford
Pretty much. Monkeys fucking love marshmellows.
osakanone 8 months ago
@thomasford stupid comment, the monkey is not responsible for their actions, it's obviously sedated, so experience with animals is an incredible meanness
34858 5 months ago
@thomasford u fail to consider the monkey was probably not fed for a significant amount of time in order to induce it to seek food. and u also fail to consider that this is a 1 minute video. how do u know the monkey didn't attempt to escape prior to this portion of the film? if he did try, he probably would've soon realized the futility of it as this mechanical arm has a severely limited range of motion. i'm all for technological and scientific progress. but your lack of reasoning astonishes me.
star999nine 5 months ago
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thomasford 5 months ago
@star999nine
Okay, I'm gonna try this again because I was a bit harsh in my first response to you.
You've essentially just pulled a bunch of bullshit speculation out of your asshole. Kindly place it right back up your ass, if you please. You've created some bizarre and obviously quite biased narrative in your head about what must have happened. This isn't some disney cartoon. Starvation? Prove that shit. I see no evidence of that. Monkey tried to escape? Once again, what's your evidence?
thomasford 5 months ago
@thomasford of course i was speculating. because that's exactly what u did. u stated firmly that the monkey was cooperating on his own free will. based on what evidence? a 1 minute video? u think no prep preceded this? and as for STARVING the monkey, i never said such a thing. i said "not fed for a significant amount of time." that can simply mean 6 hours w/out food. the fact that u took that to mean STARVING is just another example of u taking superficial data to make profound assumptions.
star999nine 5 months ago
@star999nine
MY "speculation" is based on what we see in the video. Nothing more. The monkey is sitting there, making no noises or desperate motions- and believe it when I say a distressed monkey is pretty easy to spot- and controlling the arm to eat marshmallows. That's all we see. You can't just propose that they must've been harsh to the monkey. What evidence do you have more coercion was needed? You don't think a monkey would love some marshmallows?
thomasford 5 months ago
@thomasford wow. you're making HUGE assumptions by putting blinders on to the fact that this 1 min video CANNOT be the entirety of the experiment. like i said, no wild animal is going to cooperate on the first go. he had to be trained (i.e. punished) for not cooperating, thereby leading him to cooperate to avoid punishment, most likely in the form of food deprivation. and this isn't a perfected mechanism. most likely there were many failed attempts, the possibility of which u completely ignore.
star999nine 5 months ago
@thomasford and if u think the monkey is WILLFULLY cooperating, why strap his neck down? why not just his hands and feet? i mean, it's ok for him to lunge forward with his neck right, as long as he's maneuvering the robotic arm, right? u failed to consider the POSSIBILITY that such an extensive lockdown is used to avoid the monkey attacking the lab technicians or trying to free itself. and why would a wild animal attack people who keep poking it and strapping it down and operating on its head?
star999nine 5 months ago
@star999nine you say these things but I bet you still use products that were tested on animals. Live in the real world would ya, nearly all of the medical advancements are because of tests like this
MetalStorm48 4 months ago
@MetalStorm48 animals, yes. primates, no. it's very easy to find out which companies do and which don't test on primates. and to revert back to my initial response, i'm not saying these things because i'm some nutty PETA fanatic. i'm saying these things cuz it's profoundly absurd that people like thomasford think this monkey is happy based solely on this 1-min video. for any well-functioning human to come to an absolute conclusion from a 1-min vid (that clearly discloses little) is risible.
star999nine 4 months ago
@star999nine oh no please don't clog up my inbox with another confusing 70 one sided comments arguing my 2 sentences like you did with thomasford! and like he said, the monkey in this video (which we are actually talking about) isn't really trying to get out of its restraints. Go get a job instead of spending your days trolling on a ten year old second hand computer and living of the governments money
MetalStorm48 4 months ago
@MetalStorm48 wow, assumptions abound. i'm a doctoral student with a teaching assistantship, so thanks for your advice, but no thanks. and aren't u at home during a weekday also? anyway, this video only shows that the monkey wants the marshmallows. it doesn't show us how the researchers got it to do so. if a monkey sat down and did this on the first try, it'd be in every science section of the news. in order to get a wild animal to cooperate, there must first be punishment and deprivation.
star999nine 4 months ago
@MetalStorm48 thomasford saying this monkey appears content in this 1-min video and so those who pity it r wrong to do so, is absurdly ignorant. it's like anthropologists living with a tribe in the brazilian rainforest for a week and then going home to write a book about how peaceful the tribes people r (reinforcing the myth of the noble savage), completely ignoring that per capita there is exponentially more violence in the history of savages than in any civilized nation. get an education, man.
star999nine 4 months ago
@star999nine I think I can safely assume I am more intelligent than you and please find me an exact quote in what thomasford says to back up what you said he says because otherwise its just you speculating out of yours arsehole I think he said, or something like that
MetalStorm48 4 months ago
@MetalStorm48 an idiot like u WOULD think he's smarter than anyone who happens to have a differing opinion. thomasford's comment up top clearly states that people who pity this monkey's plight r wrong cuz this monkey is cooperating. the idiocy of this remark is that it ignores everything that precedes such experimentation. do u truly believe that this monkey wasn't trained through punishment and deprivation? u think this was his first attempt? do u know anything about treatment of lab animals?
star999nine 4 months ago
@MetalStorm48 and for god's sake, please contribute more than a simplistic you're-stupid-and-i'm-smart type of comment. as u see, i've continually bolstered my opinion with evidence and arguments, whereas all u do is attack me personally. i admit, i've attacked u too, but at least i offer intellectual points as well. explain to me WHY u feel i'm wrong, and not simply that i AM wrong. and PLEASE do so by offering some new points. not reiterating what's already been discussed.
star999nine 4 months ago
@MetalStorm48 also, most pharmaceutical companies no longer test on primates because of laws, costs, and lack of success. the US is the only country that still tests on apes. nice try with ur argument. but it isn't an argument at all. it's simply a poor attempt at an accusation (directed at the arguer) with no facts to back it up. ur guilty of AD HOMINEM. and lastly, NO, nearly all medical tests r NOT like this. ur the most dangerous type of person: someone who makes grand claims with no facts.
star999nine 4 months ago
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star999nine 5 months ago
@thomasford i'm no animal rights activist but it's shocking how obtuse some people r. "the monkey is cooperating in this short vid. so he MUST be satisfied." logical deduction for the insane. it's taken out of its natural environment, locked in a lab, most likely lost its mother (significant if it's a male, as male primates have super strong bonds w/ their mother), had its skull carved, strapped into a machine every so often, and ur conclusion is it's happy cuz it reaches for the marshmallows?
star999nine 5 months ago
@thomasford as for bizarre speculations, this is what we KNOW (and which you've ignored): 1. this is NOT the monkey's natural environment; 2. the monkey does NOT have freedom of will or (in this case) movement; 3. it does NOT experience normal social interaction as it would in the wild; 4. it's skull was partially removed in order to implant the control device; 5. it will be experimented on for the rest of its life (u can look up the reasons behind this last fact online.)
star999nine 5 months ago
@thomasford and u actually think the monkey wasn't extensively prepped prior to this video? u think they just plucked it out of the jungle, implanted the device and he was able to do this on the first go? in order to create incentive in training animals, u have to deprive it in the case of failure. so the monkey had to learn that failing to cooperate or succeed in the experiment meant that food was denied it. and by process of elimination, it'd learned what the scientists wanted him to do.
star999nine 5 months ago
@thomasford doesn't make what they're doing right. don't get me wrong I study neuroscience, but you can't be one sided when it comes to the argument about morals and ethics. btw your swearing is unnecessary.
slushpuddle11 4 months ago
@slushpuddle11
How am I being one sided? Btw, go fuck yourself.
thomasford 4 months ago
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chrispydogs 3 months ago
@thomasford LOL. Too funny
chrispydogs 3 months ago
Fuckin sweet
xsni 1 year ago 2
que le estan haciendo al mono???
andruvampirita 1 year ago
@andruvampirita Le instalan un aparato cerebro-ordenador, que le permite manejar ese brazo mecanico a la derecha con su cerebro.
conijoo 1 year ago
soon they will becreating huge monkey robot armys!!!
save yourselfs!!
madbab00n 1 year ago
I say we give them a robotic body to see what they will do with it
kotapaka 1 year ago
@kotapaka What they always do, throw feces.
mission2ridews 1 year ago
what they dont show us is the whole in the poor little monkeys head to control all the sensors :( FUCKIN SCIENCE your preety grimey
if you notice at 29 seconds into you can see the sensor strip like the one you see in your computer.... its coming out of his head :/
iwanasexyou 1 year ago
@iwanasexyou
He's not suffering. He's sitting in a box eating yummies. And if this sort of research can one day repair spinal cords and improve artificial limbs, then I think it's worth shortening the lives of a few monkeys.
LordOfTheGnus 1 year ago 2
@iwanasexyou
like the one you can seeing your computer
wow, you do not know how to computer at all, you may have a point, it would be much more ethical to use stupid people like you for experimentation than the monkeys.
akirosette 1 year ago
but no sound.
gustavtheman 1 year ago
Watch the monkeys hand in the tube on the left when he's trying to grab a marshmallow. His right hand is mimicking the action of the bot hand. Especially noticeable when the mallow is placed higher than normal 0:20 and the mokey misses, watch his hand. It's not fake watch the strip of wires exposed when he turns his head.
adamcpennington 1 year ago
I couldn't see the EEG sensors on the monkey's head... there seems like a cable of some sort moving about when the monkey turns its head, but I think it is more connected to the neck collar... this footage is not convincing to me as a viewer...
hochityuen 1 year ago
Well then you're a moron. This is pretty established science buddy. And no, that big ass bundle of cables isn't attached to it's collar. Why the hell would they have that? It's electrodes attached to the brain. If you think that it's fake, don't you think the first thing they would've done is made it look pleasing to your untrained eye? You know, a bunch of silly little suction cups all over the head and a little electronic graphing machine facing right at the camera? I hope you fucking die.
thomasford 1 year ago
If only we could teach these monkeys to count election ballots maybe then we would have true democracies...
jamesnolisbon 2 years ago 3
You're a stupid bunch of filthy cunts!
NGXC 2 years ago
animal indulgence
5600981 2 years ago
That debate is very touching. But If you were paraplegic you would appreciate a lot to have a third arm. That monkey is an animal that was only grown for that mission. Like the calf you eat or the milk that its mother produces to feed it, unknowing that the calf isn't in the farm but on your dish.
Antagraber 2 years ago
Monkey doesn't look to upset either. He's got a big fucking terminator arm to eat marshmallows with.
thomasford 1 year ago 3
@thomasford the monkey goes nuts every day when it's time to take his arm away.
So nuts about loosing the arm that there are concerns of future soldiers forming emotional bonds to weapon systems like combat prosthetics. As in getting PTSD from loosing your terminator arm.
abram730 1 year ago
This is awesome...
gapplec 2 years ago 5
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If i would meet the people who did this, i would do the same with them.. then i would shit them into their mouthes :D:D:D
greetz from germany
Andrew579cool 2 years ago
How so, I think when I get older than 30, I might even replace my arms with this, imagine the strength you can have to be honest.
Or control computers by single brain thoughts, imagine, these people who work on this could better your life, and save lives.
Whoever has lost limbs are going to be able to control artificial limbs soon because of these people, stop hating on them, praise them for making someone elses easier, more brain knowledge = better people = better animals = better planet.
FSynchro 2 years ago
dude just think what fighting costumes could be build with this technology :X
theshadow170y 2 years ago
well, i wonder how much they know about the human brain that still is a secret..
Evilfisher 2 years ago
question - is the pincer grasp motion controlled by the monkey as well? Or only the location of the hand?
kimboII 3 years ago
One day this will be akin to chid's play as we move so far beyond this in our technological aptitude.
bigdaddydylan 3 years ago
Stop moaning about the monkey! He's being fed, no harm is being done. Jeez!
Now, I think this is a briliant step in technology! I wonder if this kind of technology could be used to replace peoples lost limbs? It would be a great thing! People having a fuctional arm or leg again. This could be used for medical purposes! Think about how many lives this will help.
Aceotana 3 years ago
Yeah, cuz this isn't inhumane at all. Let the damn monkey go!
jello1knitty 3 years ago
did anyone ask the cow if it wanted to be in the burger u ate for lunch? did anyone ask the rabbit if it wanted to test the shampoo u used this morning? did anyone ask ur dog if it wanted to live with u? did anyone ask the silk worm if it felt like making ur frilly underwear?people never make such arguements if the anumal is serving themself a purpos. im sure if u were blind and animal testing could make u see-u wouldnt say this
lejink 2 years ago 6
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Animals weren't put on this planet for us to torture. My pets are happy since they have food and shelter and need not worry about predators. I don't eat meat and I use products that aren't tested on animals. I don't wear frilly underwear, nor am I worried about blindness.
If humans are to benefit from these experiments, then experiment on humans. Stop and think about the other forms of torture they're putting this monkey and the myriad of other defenseless animals through.
jello1knitty 2 years ago
just because u use a shampoo that hasnt been tested on animals doesnt mean it wasnt formulated from previous testing. a specific brand brach from a single company can put that logo on the bottle even though another branch does animal testing, so infact u arent saving any animals. if u really believe ur not supporting any animal use ur nieve. and how do u know this monkey is in pain? the brain has no nerves so it cant feel any of the elctrodes in its head
lejink 2 years ago 9
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Actually, I can guarantee that my shampoo isn't tested on animals since I make my own soaps containing no animal byproducts and are most certainly not used on my animals for testing purposes.
You're just an ignorant, uneducated sod who really needs to get over himself.
jello1knitty 2 years ago
easy for u, someone who can see and hear, to look down on people from your moral "im better then u" position. if this research means someone can see for the first time id say its worth it, and i can only hope u are affected by some disease that gives u the dame disability. maybe then ud understand that NO research involving animals isnt an option. i think u really need to look into all the products in your home, because many of them were made involving animals, even if its animal labour.
lejink 2 years ago 3
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I'll say it again, experiment on humans if you want to benefit humans. Stop killing animals in the name of science. Stop the extinction of every living creature other than human beings. Diseases and disabilities are Nature's way of saying that you are inferior. Accept what you are.
Now, go back to hiding under your bridge, troll.
jello1knitty 2 years ago
actually we are superior over animals wich is why we use them to experiment... because we own them... if we were inferior they would be experimenting on us
benjoandrichie 2 years ago
@benjoandrichie
You silly, narrow minded, ignorant bastard. We don't "own" animals, and have no right to experiment on them. Silly cunt - we should use idiots like you to test things on.
NGXC 2 years ago
its just a dumb monkey, its better to have him then us yo diggity diggity dawg from da atl nigga slice
benjoandrichie 2 years ago
and thats reality, if that makes me ignorant for realizing animals have been used for 1,000's of years and still are today, wether its on the label or not. then whats that make u, someone whos in complete denial
lejink 2 years ago 2
Listen, I'm not in denial. I've chosen to live my life by leaving the smallest possible footprint on the Earth and its glorious creatures. No animal should ever be harmed in the name of science, and if you think that the monkey in this video isn't suffering, then you're a blind fool. It should be in a jungle, swinging from vines and flinging poo. I hope you never suffer being caged and tormented for no good reason.
jello1knitty 2 years ago
Yet you are here still alive, working with science, and probably used it which had to deal with animals.
what do you think of cosmetics hm? they don't go untested.
Or about all the injections you've had against diseases, or.. the ants you've stepped on without realising.
Stop bying hypocritic.
FSynchro 2 years ago
the monkey looks like hes having fun
benjoandrichie 2 years ago 2
then sell your house and your clothes and go make friends with the antelope in africa so you can run from tigers all day until you finally get raped by an orangatang to death
benjoandrichie 2 years ago
rofl
killerbiller35 2 years ago
i think we should attach you to that machine and just do the test on you....keep your opinions to yourself you dumb bird
pdanfort 2 years ago
We actually do these tests on people
Paddy142 2 years ago 2
The monkey is not feeling pain from this procedure. There is no sense of pain in the brain proper, that is, when things are being done to it. All the "poor" monkey suffers is the awesome privilege of having a third arm. This is torture ... how?
You fuckin-nincom-fuckin-POOP
odenskrigare 2 years ago 5
@odenskrigare You're an idiot. Firstly, you have no understanding of what's actually involved in this experiment - so you have no right to comment on whether pain is involved. Secondly, pain is not just physical. The monkey is in a completely foreign habitat, a fucking medical lab. You make me despair for humanity, please fucking die slowly, ok?
NGXC 2 years ago
Well the interface is wired into the monkey's primary motor cortex
Which doesn't feel pain
There's a device like this for quadriplegic humans; it's called the Braingate and it isn't painful in the least
And yes I am dying slowly: it should take me another 60 years at least to finish the job
odenskrigare 2 years ago 33
way to own
benjoandrichie 2 years ago
@odenskrigare i hope something good comes from it but monkeys should be free they were not meant to live like this, in a lab
Dalzor27 1 year ago
@Dalzor27 How do you know?
CrazyMonkey124 1 year ago
@odenskrigare Win, all we ne
CrazyMonkey124 1 year ago
@odenskrigare I also learned somewhere that the brain it self cant feel. Only the protection layer between the skull and the brain. So the monkey doesn't feel at all. And those people need to stop whining. If it was done on humans than in was UNhuman or crazy.
skiIler 5 months ago
@odenskrigare the entire brain has no tactile sense, not just the motor cortex. but how do u think the device is implanted? u have to first cut through the skull, the result of which is scar tissue, which can cause other problems. i think such experimentation with live subjects r crucial, but don't try to downplay the effects it has on the subjects.
star999nine 5 months ago
@odenskrigare it's true the entire cortex (not just the motor region) has no sense of touch and therefore feels no pain. however, since the brain isn't an exposed organ, in order to implant any device in the brain, one must first cut through the scalp and skull. such surgeries require painful recovery. it shocks me that the top two rated comments on this page r the ones that make an assessment based SOLELY on this 1-min vid, without any regard to what had to precede it. never seen such myopia.
star999nine 4 months ago
@star999nine Wow, an animal lover! Let 100 men die for one pet's survival, is it? Somehow, men came to decline that. If the important experiment would involve the monkey being slowly and painfully torn to shreds, it would have been done nonetheless despite such protesters. So pet lovers, I recommend you being grateful that the monkey is not in terrible agony during all its life: remember, there's always something worse. Always.
ShadeAKAhayate 3 months ago
@ShadeAKAhayate first, your process of thought is barely coherent. it looks like a google translation of some foreign language into english. second, where do i suggest that animals should be spared at the expense of mankind? i'm an advocate of any research that reduces the suffering of man. however, the level of sentience of primates (a group of which humans r a member), even the lower species, is so high it'd be like arguing that killing a human toddler is ok if it'll save a human adult.
star999nine 3 months ago
@ShadeAKAhayate the non-human higher primates (chimps, gorillas, bonobos, orangutans) at the age of 3 have a better grasp of abstract logic than a 3 year-old human. just cuz humans have come to dominate this world doesn't make it moral to behave tyrannically. if i had to choose between saving 1 human or 1 ape, of course i'd save the human. however, most of these experiments r not a matter of life-or-death for humans. they r matters of life-improvement, and most often with the goal of profit.
star999nine 3 months ago
@star999nine You've spelled it correctly: we ARE the dominant species on this planet. A _bit_ of hurt for several apes is nothing compared to what such research can yield. For us. This (watch?v=rSrIkUXwsNk) research, for example, gave us life support machines. Note that it led to death of the animal, and I doubt it was tranquilized to the levels it didn't hurt as hell. Now compare that to this experiment and think where you animal lovers are wrong.
ShadeAKAhayate 3 months ago
@ShadeAKAhayate did u even read my previous reply before typing up this last drivel? cuz it really sounds like u didn't. u conveniently ignore all my arguments and continue to name-call, calling me "animal lover," (whatever that is exactly) even though i've repeatedly admitted otherwise. u keep oversimplifying my argument to an "us vs. them," although this isn't at all what i've been arguing. higher ethics r rarely as black and white as u make them out to be. please read all my previous posts.
star999nine 3 months ago
@star999nine Yes, I read them and no, your replies do not have any sense. You rage against cruelty in obviously non-cruel experiment while ignoring experiments that are dread indeed. And if someone writes like animal lovers, makes logic conclusions like animal lovers and protests like animal lovers -- it is safe to assume we are looking at an animal lover (almost ©).
ShadeAKAhayate 3 months ago
@star999nine this experiment is clearly not cruel? u think the monkey is controlling the arm telekinetically without having had something implanted in his brain? u think the monkey isn't locked in cage or room all day? u don't think it goes through intensive training? do u also believe that slavery is innocent and right? since u believe the dominant being can do anything they want to other beings, u must approve of whites enslaving blacks. and what is wrong with caring for animals???
star999nine 3 months ago
Yeah, if you didn't know...your brain doesn't have any feeling. That's pretty common knowledge.
xTeenSpirit93x 2 years ago
@odenskrigare generally nobody but bizarre sex perverts enjoy being restrained, the poor monkey was quite possibly distressed for a little bit at least upon first being harnessed into this device.
enjoy your slow death.
catbeef 1 year ago
@catbeef
Much like humans, monkeys are assholes to each other. Being restrained slightly in a painless lab experiment isn't all that bad
odenskrigare 1 year ago
@catbeef actually the monkey gets a bit violent when you try to get him away from the robotic arm... so much so that it brought up the subject of people forming emotional bonds to robotic arms.
The trauma is in taking his new arm away every day.
abram730 1 year ago
Is this some of the work being done at Georgia Tech/Emory?
Alterstateresearcher 3 years ago
as long as thiers a sensory input from the arm the monkey will be able to adapt to using the arm which ever way is possible
oasiac 3 years ago
amazing
anttinaama2 3 years ago 2
...Just one thing tho. What about the poor monkey? It had to have electrodes planted in its brain.
Still its good news for the prosthetics industry
CityZenJon 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure that there was no operation, I think they just put the electrodes on the outside of your head. I don't know though.
Uthallan 3 years ago
Poor monkey? Looks pretty fucking happy to me. Wish I had a robotic arm to give me some goddamn marshmallows.
thomasford 1 year ago
Rofl! I agree totally. The robot arm is badass
Xadreos 1 year ago
THAT IS FU*KING AWESOME. UN-F**King-believable.Pardon my French.
The article in Nature concerning the experiment will prove v. interesting.
CityZenJon 3 years ago 4
thats awsome
Infernno100 3 years ago 3