Electric Car Wheel Motor System EXPLAINED Mitsubishi MiEV

[despredicaciones]

A couple of models of them together, Will have a interference problems?

[9493760]

A SMALL GAS MOTOR RUNNING A GENERATOR , LIKE THIS SYSTEM , SHOULD BE THE NORMAL STANDARD VEHICLE . IT CUTS INTO GAS CONSUMPTION GREATLY , AND I BELIEVE WOULD SOLVE THE NEEDS FOR PETROLEUM , FOR NOW. THE ONLY NEED IT DOESN'T FILL IS THE NORTH AMERICAN NEED FOR BIG POWERFUL VEHICLES .

GIANFRANCO FRONZI SEPTEMBER

[bootylicification]

Joe Biden claimed that the $862 Billion failed stimulus ($400 remains unspent) “created or saved” 750,000 jobs. Economists don’t recognize jobs saved, and the jobs saved may have been keep local agencies afloat. When the money ran out, the people lost their jobs. Currently States are considering filing bankruptcy for spending. watch?v=IqmeT5ykKf0

The Govt owns 61% of GM, GOOGLE, “GM's electric-car fantasy running out of gas” and read links. The Green Movement should be free market driven

[Kote12TK]

I still like the Plug in Hybrid electric wheel vehicle. But i like mine to be a full size SUV. Saving in weight. No tranny, no differentials, now housing for differentials, no transfer gear on tranny, no drive shaft, no propeller shaft, no axles just to name a few. So when is it available in the dealer?

[motorxrules1]

ffs im just trying to find a map of a car thats labeled

[mctfzipmail]

Hybrid cars are actually better than electric only. If we change all the cars to electricity only we will have to burn a lot more petroleum to make energy and there are losses to distribute that energy. Besides that the battery is bigger and more expensive and the autonomy is shorter. Prius is still the answer when you think in smart drive. Two wheels electric vehicles are a good bet to the close future.

[tsport100]

@mctfzipmail The ICE generator in a hybrid car is at best 25% energy efficient and can only use oil based fuel, most of which is imported to the tune of $1B per day.

Battery EVs run on electrons only that can be sourced from multiple sources, even solar panels on your own house. (less than 50% of US electricity is from burning coal, but those plants are 60% energy eff and Coal is not imported)

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

@tsport100 Exactly.

On top of those reasons, having electric allows for our power supply for EVERYTHING, to be changed over to renewables.

I love my electric car, and it's one of those things that after not going to a gas station for about a month, you wonder how you ever tolerated those places.

In cost alone we save about 300bucks a month, including electric cost.

[tsport100]

@TheReasonWhyGuy I'm envious! Which EV do you drive?

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

@tsport100 We got the nissan leaf about a month ago.

[tsport100]

@TheReasonWhyGuy Lucky you!! As more EVs get onto the road the more positive word-of-mouth, such as yours, about the cost savings will spread. Only a mater of time before it reaches critical mass.

[freethink512]

@mctfzipmail Yes, you're right we would have to use more energy, but there are ways to alter these types of cars that would effectively make them power themselves. Also, thats why our governments NEED to see that we need to get away from petroleum and other CO2 emission heavy ways of powering our societies.

[toyotaprius79]

@mctfzipmail please ignore user name but the prius in Latin means ''to go before'' it's meaning it would lay a path for electric vehicles. If Toyota is smart they should be making an electric car of their own or at least to mass produce the plug in Prius with a better battery. btw. Thanks to mass production of electric cars, there is a lower price of batteries, also battery technology will gain speed very quickly, prices will go down, charge times down, range up and power/capacity, ect..

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

@mctfzipmail "If we change all the cars to electricity only we will have to burn a lot more petroleum"

So simple minded.

The idea behind converting to electric is to allow power supply to slowly move over.

I live in phx az, where we get almost all of our power from a dam, or a nuclear power plant.

We're also building a solar panel factory.

I'm personally buying solar panels right now to charge our ELECTRIC car.

Can you by solar panels to fuel your hybrid XD

Anyway, I'm off in my awesome car, bye

[0600697]

Im not sure if anyone has thought about this, but what about stuff like dirt, flood prone areas, chances of the motor bumping into rocks or on potholes............this sounds really nice on paper but it sounds like the motor is a lot more vulnerable to the environment corrosion, thieves...

[pathosbedlam]

As much as I'd love something with in wheel electric motors, I'd rather it was a plug in hybrid with at least 100 mile range. Then I may not have to buy fuel for years at a time. Oh wait, I remember now, that's what the fucking OIL C.O's are afraid of. Well to them I have two words. "FUCK YOU". The people of this planet have had enough of your bull shit. And like Queen said in their song, "I Want To Break Free". It's time we all did. If this offends anyone, stop being a fucking oil worker. LOL

[toastyovens]

@pathosbedlam

Electric cars with a single on board motor destroy about 60 percent of the energy because mechanical parts are still used to deliver energy from the batteries to the wheels.

[pathosbedlam]

@toastyovens I agree they do waste a lot of energy with mechanical components, but if you have an electric motor which is inherently very powerful with a lot of torque, and hook it up to a gearbox, it should give you more range than a single speed in-wheel design. The main drawback is keeping the engine in the right rev range for maximum torque. But an Aussie dude has made a gearbox for that purpose so I hope to see it in electric cars soon. It was on The New Inventors on ABC in 2010.

[tsport100]

@pathosbedlam Electric motor have 100% torque from zero rpm followed by a flat torque curve ... so you don't NEED a gearbox to keep an electric motor in the "right rev range" to get max torque.

The reason reduction gearboxes are often used is to MULTIPLY torque output from generally undersized small electric motors.

Any time power is transmitted through a gear it losses a significant % of power to heat. Helical cut gears are also not efficient at regeneration.

[shaider77]

I guess mechatronics is the future. Engineers should eliminate as many mechanical components from the old technology i.e. differential axle or even the ICE etc. if possible which takes up so much space and weight. But probably the greatest challenge right now is to reduce the size and charging time of batteries while increasing their storage capacity to boost mileage.

[mafiouso]

brilliant idea!! a petrol backup engine to drive or charge the battery's is the best idea possible. all EV is stupid at this time. and the way the motor on wheel and be used for regenerative braking,, power control, launch control, so ,many good reasons. and if u want to drive interstate you can as you have the petrol backup.

[thinkmanworld]

man this is a very another one step to achive 100% electric car ....we will wait and see... lets brainwash for the future

[jerryaltman]

How the reel spedd is synchronized???

If one reel moves just a little more than others, the care will get the direction change.

[tsport100]

It's called a software differential

[goglahey]

Where can i find out more about software diffrential. Google can't seem to find anything about it...

[terileeisme]

if you want to invest in anything invest in lithium-ion batterires ... cars come and go but these batteries will change the world!!!

[tehatemachine]

@terileeisme NO, invest in NEWER battery technology that has instant recharging capability by using 3 dimensional cells. Which is what they are developing right now as we speak. That means you'd be able to charge it as quickly as filling up the tank at the pump.

[ingaman]

@terileeisme Until they start blowing up on rear-end collisions. I'm all for new and fuel efficient technology, but if anything needs more research, it's the batteries that power them. Li-ion batteries are far better than anything else used, but not nearly safe enough for me to be comfortable driving my family on the highway with.

[tsport100]

@ingaman Yeah right, but driving them around in a vehicle that contains highly flammable fuel (Gigajoule worth of energy - 10x as much as any EV) hanging under the car in a thin plastic tank is perfectly safe!! LOL

[commando7144]

regardless nobody wants the emissions.i guess its one step closer though and we will be able to pull the vehicals apart in time and someone will improve it

[BubbaTech]

Everyone is talking like Gas is Bad, if we could make a car that ran off Gas, but has 400+ MPG ratings in all the cars, how much would we use in a year vs. now?? Verses the expense of Building batteries and recycling them?? you are not really saving much over just making the car as efficient as possible, but self contained.

[jalit]

Damnit they are still putting gasoline engines in the electric car concepts. I just want pure electric cars!

[MagicTimeVideos]

then don't fill the tank, duh!

[sushimotoo]

Arent there any conversion kits available from the UK or denmark?

[baobaolovely]

if the price is $15,000 AUD I will get one.

[tsport100]

You want to buy the cutting edge of EV technology for the cost of the cheapest new car on the market... talk about unrealistic expectations.

[Inmate527]

I agree.

[tjamassey]

Well they are now! Go back 10 years and battery technology was not so good however. That's what has hindered the electric car and still does - though less so nowadays. 150km distance is adequate for most.

[sushimotoo]

I'm so tired about all this forking 'innovations' too.

Are the electric motor and batteries a new finding?

Its such an obvious criminal robbery what rockefellers sons has done to us.

Its scary, how frustrating dumb the world is.

[tjamassey]

Brushless dc motors of this nature are relatively new though the idea has been around for some time. The trouble was the batteries - enough power and charging time etc.

[sushimotoo]

Nope.

batteries are available in plenty variations.

80% of all cars are needed for like 50 Kilometers a day for driving in cities. shopping, kindergarten, to work, etc. In cities, there is a grid of plugs available every 10 meters for refreshing the charge. You dont even need a plug for inductive charging at every traffic-light.

With a EV, you are on the safe side for the next 20 years. Maybe better batteries will suddely come up, because the patents are already there since decades.

[franktesla]

Oh, yes tricksterboy., better make them keep theirs job and let us suffocate !!!

The wheel motor was invented in Quebec, Canada in 1993 by Hydro-Quebec. The tork of the motor was so great that it could twist the tire flank if the motor is on and the wheel could'nt turn.

[tsport100]

I'm so tired of Canadians claiming they had anything to do with inventing wheel motors. Friggin Porsche had wheel motors on a car in the late 1800s....

[wstep52]

I don't think the Porsche company existed until the 1940's

[tsport100]

The man who founded the company did.... don't take my word for it, look it up!

Ferdinand Porsche built a Lohner-Porsche with either 2 or 4 wheel motors in 1897.

[tricksterboy55]

electric cars are good but thing about all of the people that will be losing their jobs due to

[sunlion55]

i think the traction motor for locomotives can be down sizes and just the sameway and work on cars

[randomnesswithme]

what sort of HP are they getting out of these wheel motors?

[tsport100]

50Kw with a claimed 500Nm each wheel motor but no performance data has ever been presented to back these figures up.

[samoht1977]

I knew they were talking about 20 Kw per wheel, something like ~100Kw of total maximum power... not bad, actually. I like that car. Plug in a Bedini generator and you're off of the grid.

[kempingpeg]

How does the electric motor work also as the break (regenerative breaking)? Could you perhaps post a vid of this concept? if you can find one.

[baby2kent]

I don't know much about electric vehicles but I would assume a way to break would be to use the motors as a generator and it would slow it down that way. Not sure how that would be done by the break pedal but the larger the load put on a "generator"(in this case the motor) the harder it would be to turn, causing it to slow down.

I know I am somewhat right but I bet there are parts I am missing.

[tsport100]

You are right that wheel motors can replace friction brakes.

Because they are under computer control a whole new generation of ABS and stability control and automatic braking will be possible.

[tricksterboy55]

but you cant trust computers to much cause itll end up as some terminator era

[dailylifetube]

Volvo made this first but it is an old technology anyway.

[kaboum159]

Man i'm proud to say that it's a french canadian technology developped by a physicist from Hydro-Québec, but the project got aborted by gas lobbies and Hydro-Québec refused to pay 30 M $ from the ending of developpement.....

Vive le Québec !!!! :P

[tsport100]

Seriously, misdirected national patriotism!!

Porsche invented wheel motors in 1898 and last time I checked he wasn't French or Canadian!

[AZURA888]

hydrogen it seems like a road with no out, with that platinium electrodes. Lition batteries seems to be the road.

[edstar83]

I'm buying one as soon as they come out. everyone buy one. oil is for cooking french fries.

[BaaEnsaaf]

please do not produce these cares. think of all petrolium companies. they need to stay rich. we need to make them richer. we will never let you bring these cars into market. down with the electric cars. up with the global warming. up with the petrolium companies. we love them. we are addicted to them. we want to spend all our money for them.

[Sanddesert]

I agree, I was just getting used to those warm winters...

[terry1919]

Something similar to this was TESTED AT THE INDIANAPOLIS MOTOR SPEEDWAY around 1978-1979 by General Motors and Gerneral Electric the onlu difference was a 4 cylinder Diesel engine top speed 180 MPH 100 MPG so the technology was available then...

[tsport100]

It's not a new concept all right, the Lohner-Porsche System was unveiled in 1898 which was a 4 wheel motor battery EV. 300 of them were actually sold up till 1906.

Wheel motors are definitely the way to go for EVs.

[terry1919]

that is why as American Consumers we need to hold the CEO's of the USA Car manufactures and oil companies feet to the fire to FORCE THEM to get these devices to the market ASAP...

it will hurt their profits but I'm getting tired of being robbed at the gas pump...

[tsport100]

Don't panic it's already happeing! And this time it IS being driven by public demand and not some obscure state regulators.

The list of car makers investing $100s of Millions in Li-ion battery plants is like a who's who of the auto industry.

GM Toyota Honda Nissan Renault Mitsubishi Subaru Mercedes BMW VW Audi NEC Panasonic LG Hitachi Continental GE etc.

We're about to see the biggest wholesale change in Auto history, so when they all start selling EVs, BUY ONE!

[terry1919]

I would be interested in some conversion kit where you could take an existing vehicle and convert it to an electric vehicle...$10,000 for the kit VS $30-$40,000 to buy a new car/truck

[tsport100]

You want Car manufacturers to make EVs but you don't want to buy one!!... that's exactly why they have put off making them for so long....

Trade off the fuel savings with an EV Vs the purchase price, it's something in the region of 95% cheaper to run an EV so depending how many miles you do a year an EV will pay for itself in no time at all.

[BrooklynNYC777]

i like that idea terry

[TomtenT]

4WD -I agree. "In-Wheel" motors - that's not so obvious. They would add unwanted unsprung weight, even as compact e-motors may be. With EVs the goal should be low total weight, which in turn raises demand for low unsprung wheel weight : this is because to a great extent IT'S THE RELATIONSHIP in mass between sprung and unsprung weight that affects handling. So mid-mounted e-motors would have advantages, and the driveshafts would allow even brakes to be mid-mounted ! -> Even lower unsprung !

[tsport100]

I'll give you a few reasons why mid mount is a bad idea.

1)Each time you tranmit power through a gear, power is lost. A 2WD losses 30% a 4WD 40%.(in wheel mounted motors are 100% efficient at transmitting power to the wheel)

2) Gearboxes, diffs, half shafts, CV joints, all ad up to weight 100's of kg (ALL can be deleted with wheel motors)

3) The wheel motors ARE the brakes, so you're not adding weight, you're replacing the brakes which can weight about the same as the motor.

[Rickdeckard2020]

The i MiEV sounds promissing and affordable(probably less than 30K$ I think). This car looks even better for winter driving, but I wonder how much it will go for.

I would not be surprise if these cars were available in Japan, but somehow I feel there might be all sorts of political BS RedTape (from BigOil lobby) to suppress its arrival in the US? Lets hope its available ASAP

[KenMacMillan]

what happens to that motor if you hit a curb? Cars are already way over engineered. A well designed electric car can already get 200 miles per charge with Li-ion batteries. Plug it in for 3 hours every couple of days & you're good to go.

[tsport100]

Not forgetting the best bit, it'll only cost $2.00 to fill it up instead of $40-50.00 like with fuel.

The motor is IN-SIDE the wheel, when was the last time anyone hit a brake disc on a curb?

[Sanddesert]

And while hitting the road, fast-charging stations can fill-up your batteries in 10-15 minutes.

[dirtdrifters]

That would make a great rally car. Please build it !!!

[tsport100]

You're right, that would be the ultimate rally car.

[waynebw]

I'd love to see it available in 2010 like they said is possible!

[brianasap]

Get rid of the ICE - in this and all other

cars. Apart from that - fantastic.

[toriofbrujas3]

I wish we could have them now, it is so needed,for all.

[AcePilot101]

Check out the Tesla Roadster, built in the USA..body by Lotus. The 700 pound lithium battery pack gets up to 250 miles between charges and speeds up to 165 mph..TESLA MOTORS

[tsport100]

Check out my other videos to see the Tesla!! And many other Performance EVs running the same drive train!

[blastergti]

The Tesla roadster, i Love that machine!!

I have to tell you a terrible fact about the big car companies of today, as i have read on the internet it is very unlikely that a 100% electric car will be availible on the market for the next 20 years or even more.

This due to the sticky death - Oil, politics and financial interests. Watch "who killed the electric car?" and you will understand what i mean. Tesla motors will rock the Ev market!

[Artwizdancer]

Blastergti I doubt that they'll come out with electric cars in 20 years. They want hydrogen since it replaces gas even though it costs like crazy and no fuel storage is possible for the needs of the people. Electric car companies will give rise and destroy the big automakers.

Automakers make their primary money off of maintenance rather than just selling the car. thus, I doubt they'll sell it like Tesla.

Yay for Tesla!

Like the CDs and DVDs took over cassettes and VCRs.

[blastergti]

Agreeing. Now In just one year, the situation of the world has changed a lot! GM is almost on the way out, gas prices are raising again, Tesla's Model S is introduced, Aptera starts their production this autumn...etc =) Tesla has kept their nose clean, model S is beautiful!

These upcoming year(s) will be interesting, it's a make-or-break for the bigger car manufacturers over the world!

[sushimotoo]

Tesla is way too expensive. Count the sportsters at the streest and compare to the number of 'all day" vehicles. My wife could do her daily business driving with a golf-cart.

[abram730]

search "Carbon Nanotube Ultracapacitor"

Way better then a battery. The future looks bright for the EV.

Big oil needs a liquid to electric or to redefine what they do as oil is running out.

[fablau]

We need these cars NOW! It's really a shame that car companies keep waiting to release them... how long we have still to wait?

[blastergti]

Seems like we unfourtunatley have to wait a loooong bloody time, maybe untill the oil runs out... What i gonna do, is to convert my car to electric, as fast as i can. That´s the only way. Ev´s as the tesla will be expensive for a long time ahead, so i will try on my own =) I am going to work with car electrics, so it will be a perfect job! ;)

[WaldorffLobster]

Same here, I've been researching how its done as well as how electricity works and how to handle it, if I get the money for it I'm yanking my cars engine/etc's and making me a big RC car, lol.

[Nichen]

Get this car to Europe for christ sake! :D

[tribluered]

Heck, get this car all over the world.

[tribluered]

I hope Mitsubishi sells them in the US.