What are some causes of posterior-lateral knee pain when in deep knee flexion? Over the past several months i have been starting to develope a nagging pain near the back of my knee when doing full ROM squats.
slight posterior pelvic tilt is considered safe as long as lordosis is maintained to thighs parallel position(tony boutagy), thereeafter the tilt can happen because the sacospinal muscles are not required to generate much shear force as the spine is fairly upright( stewart mcgill). It is full spinal flexion that is insidious.
@carlotapuig Are you fucking trolling? Go watch a god damn Olympic C&J and compare the two.... You'll notice something, this is a fucking Olympic squat not a god damn PL squat. STFU and learn before criticizing one the greats of the sport.
Actually, your hips should move back first so it will be easier to keep your weight on your heels. If your weight is on your toes it will put a lot of pressure on your knees.
I don't know what you guys see but even in the bottom position her back is perfectly straight. Yes, she loses a bit of the lordosis, but the back is still absolutely straight!
Squatting way below parallel causes loosening the lumbar lordosis and makes it easy for injury. Also why the elbows must be right below the bar? Unneeded stretch. The thumbs should be on top of the bar, correcting the wrist position. Going with knees first is ALWAYS bad idea, even with light weights or BW - it's a torsion of joints. High bar position accumulates more strain on the waist. And so on...
@UnchainedBG Letting knees break first is part of the olympic squat technique. Its fine as long as you have healthy knees. But I do agree on the elbows thing
@UnchainedBG what hes showing here is the high bar olympic back squat.This girl never lost at least neutral spine ,if you cant do that you dont go that low.The elbows under the bar intention keeps the scapula pinched tight and that helps the neutral spine maintenance.You only break at the hip in powerlifting syle and most in geared lifting.All joint movement is torsion.Any further questions?
@scarred10 Actually she did. Look at the back curve she's doing in every rep at the end. Well, I don't think that will feel very good on your spine with heavy weights. The elbows under the bar are not needed if the bar is on a lower position at the center of gravity. As for the joints - Ok(excuse my english), maybe I meant torque. Why not high bar, reason two: "The longer the distance between the force of the weighted bar and the hips, the greater the torque against the lower back." SS by Mark.
@UnchainedBG she lost a small amount of the lordosis at the very bottom but never went into flexion,thats whats important,its almost impossible to keep very tight lordosis at the bottom but thats ok,you just need to be as near neutral as posible.If she stays upright like she is the distance of the hips from the bar in a horizontal path is very little.
This is how athletes should squat. The reason you don't start at the hip (other than powerlifting) is that in sport you never would be in a position where your knees are not over your toes.
elbows ahead of bar? whaaaat??? i just tried doing that and i could not flex my traps. you need to be able to flex your traps so you can cushion the bar and reduce the effort to spend on posture. also you should keep your lower back extended even at the very bottom of the squat. if you can't do that then you have flexibility issues or you're just doing it wrong
@atgcuz He said that it would be ok, Not that he preferred them that way. Some people are naturally more flexible than others in the shoulder girdle you should at least bring them perpendicular to the floor as this helps to keep the entire back tight.
@stuqua He said that it would be ok, Not that he preferred them that way. Some people are naturally more flexible than others in the shoulder girdle you should at least bring them perpendicular to the floor as this helps to keep the entire back tight.
My understanding is that these tips would be most helpful when utilizing a high bar or olympic style placement on the neck. Would you recommend the same movement when utilizing a low bar or powerlifting placement? Would you recommend utilizing a powerlifting stance at all?
@TINutrition even with a high bar squat, this seems all wrong??? high bar squat is not on the neck btw, the bar rests on top of the traps. For a low bar squat this technique would be even worse because low bar squats are driven from the hips and with a considerable amount of forward lean of the torso
@ShadowNINku My apologies, I assumed traps when I said neck, thank you for clarifying. My apologies for also not directing my question specifically at Poliquin's associates, as I feel your attempt doesn't seem to address my the root of my question. I understand the difference between high and low bar, and was seeking their thoughts as I have never seen them use low bar. No hate, and your form in your videos look good, but I would have appreciated if you withheld your comment.
@TINutrition You are most welcome for your passive aggressiveness, it is very much appreciated! The comments section are here for all to share and for discussion among all.
The only thing I don't like in this video is the excessive butt-winking going on there. Should've used someone that's more flexible, or at least tell her to contract the hip flexors on the way down to have less butt-wink.
@firalord because this squat is supposed to be a knee (or quad) dominant movement, not a hip dominant movement. That does not mean, that starting the squat by pulling back the hip is wrong, that is just another form of the exercise.
@ShadowNINku It is certainly not wrong to start a back squat with a knee-break. And it is not wrong to start with a break at the hips, either. Virtually every exercise can be executed in different ways. Variation of the training stimulus is very important to ensure progress. Poliquin uses all kind of squats in his programs. But the high bar olympic back squat is his benchmark for the training of the lower body. And for good reason.
jesus, all of you just stfu and squat.
Randysaxeman 1 day ago
What are some causes of posterior-lateral knee pain when in deep knee flexion? Over the past several months i have been starting to develope a nagging pain near the back of my knee when doing full ROM squats.
FieldBoy111 1 day ago
slight posterior pelvic tilt is considered safe as long as lordosis is maintained to thighs parallel position(tony boutagy), thereeafter the tilt can happen because the sacospinal muscles are not required to generate much shear force as the spine is fairly upright( stewart mcgill). It is full spinal flexion that is insidious.
vanland12000 1 day ago
her ass is hot.
xxJASH01xx 1 week ago
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nigusberries 1 week ago
Horrible video. It's more like how squatting was 20 years ago. Those squats are totally unhealthy for most people
carlotapuig 2 weeks ago
@carlotapuig Are you fucking trolling? Go watch a god damn Olympic C&J and compare the two.... You'll notice something, this is a fucking Olympic squat not a god damn PL squat. STFU and learn before criticizing one the greats of the sport.
TockCease 1 week ago
@TockCease I know. I said literally for "most people" this is not a healthy technique which is totally true
carlotapuig 1 week ago
@carlotapuig you are 100% wrong
JNFreije 1 week ago
Do you know who Charles Poliquin is? How dare you disklike his videos?
EverlastingPL 2 weeks ago
Actually, your hips should move back first so it will be easier to keep your weight on your heels. If your weight is on your toes it will put a lot of pressure on your knees.
BossHedgehog53 2 weeks ago
@BossHedgehog53 Yeah, I caught that too. Put the butt back out first, come back up with the head.
1badmonster 3 days ago
butt wink cuz the stance is too fucking close
sdfefde 1 month ago
@sdfefde no.
JNFreije 1 week ago
0:47 Some seriously weird, lower back, butt-action going on here
daluke61 1 month ago 2
I don't know what you guys see but even in the bottom position her back is perfectly straight. Yes, she loses a bit of the lordosis, but the back is still absolutely straight!
Stoerenfried1 1 month ago
@Stoerenfried1 There's a slight lumbar flexion. It's not straight.
EssenceOfTrance 1 week ago
Her back is breaking. I can't take that.
dudeslove 1 month ago
I bet poliquin wishes that he had all these youtube experts as a part of his team
shuls89 1 month ago
Squatting way below parallel causes loosening the lumbar lordosis and makes it easy for injury. Also why the elbows must be right below the bar? Unneeded stretch. The thumbs should be on top of the bar, correcting the wrist position. Going with knees first is ALWAYS bad idea, even with light weights or BW - it's a torsion of joints. High bar position accumulates more strain on the waist. And so on...
UnchainedBG 2 months ago
@UnchainedBG Letting knees break first is part of the olympic squat technique. Its fine as long as you have healthy knees. But I do agree on the elbows thing
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@UnchainedBG what hes showing here is the high bar olympic back squat.This girl never lost at least neutral spine ,if you cant do that you dont go that low.The elbows under the bar intention keeps the scapula pinched tight and that helps the neutral spine maintenance.You only break at the hip in powerlifting syle and most in geared lifting.All joint movement is torsion.Any further questions?
scarred10 1 month ago
@scarred10 Actually she did. Look at the back curve she's doing in every rep at the end. Well, I don't think that will feel very good on your spine with heavy weights. The elbows under the bar are not needed if the bar is on a lower position at the center of gravity. As for the joints - Ok(excuse my english), maybe I meant torque. Why not high bar, reason two: "The longer the distance between the force of the weighted bar and the hips, the greater the torque against the lower back." SS by Mark.
UnchainedBG 1 month ago
@UnchainedBG she lost a small amount of the lordosis at the very bottom but never went into flexion,thats whats important,its almost impossible to keep very tight lordosis at the bottom but thats ok,you just need to be as near neutral as posible.If she stays upright like she is the distance of the hips from the bar in a horizontal path is very little.
scarred10 1 month ago
This is how athletes should squat. The reason you don't start at the hip (other than powerlifting) is that in sport you never would be in a position where your knees are not over your toes.
tbaggs55 2 months ago
comment on the tucking........ come on charles! lol
wilko1023 2 months ago 2
elbows ahead of bar? whaaaat??? i just tried doing that and i could not flex my traps. you need to be able to flex your traps so you can cushion the bar and reduce the effort to spend on posture. also you should keep your lower back extended even at the very bottom of the squat. if you can't do that then you have flexibility issues or you're just doing it wrong
atgcuz 2 months ago 2
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@atgcuz He said that it would be ok, Not that he preferred them that way. Some people are naturally more flexible than others in the shoulder girdle you should at least bring them perpendicular to the floor as this helps to keep the entire back tight.
MuscleAddict83 2 months ago
I tried putting my elbows ahead of the bar, and they went down and hit my knees!
stuqua 2 months ago
@stuqua He said that it would be ok, Not that he preferred them that way. Some people are naturally more flexible than others in the shoulder girdle you should at least bring them perpendicular to the floor as this helps to keep the entire back tight.
MuscleAddict83 2 months ago
The pelvic tilt- butt tuck is ugly and dangerous. Poliquin my ass is dropping under
Dynamitarian 2 months ago
Tip #1....lose the running shoes!
SupremeSportsPT 2 months ago 8
My understanding is that these tips would be most helpful when utilizing a high bar or olympic style placement on the neck. Would you recommend the same movement when utilizing a low bar or powerlifting placement? Would you recommend utilizing a powerlifting stance at all?
TINutrition 2 months ago
@TINutrition even with a high bar squat, this seems all wrong??? high bar squat is not on the neck btw, the bar rests on top of the traps. For a low bar squat this technique would be even worse because low bar squats are driven from the hips and with a considerable amount of forward lean of the torso
ShadowNINku 2 months ago
@ShadowNINku My apologies, I assumed traps when I said neck, thank you for clarifying. My apologies for also not directing my question specifically at Poliquin's associates, as I feel your attempt doesn't seem to address my the root of my question. I understand the difference between high and low bar, and was seeking their thoughts as I have never seen them use low bar. No hate, and your form in your videos look good, but I would have appreciated if you withheld your comment.
TINutrition 2 months ago
@TINutrition You are most welcome for your passive aggressiveness, it is very much appreciated! The comments section are here for all to share and for discussion among all.
ShadowNINku 2 months ago
great vid, thanks :)
batmannu 2 months ago
Isn't it dangerous to continue the squat when the butt starts to tuck under?
bundfnd 2 months ago 21
@bundfnd yes
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@bundfnd no
fakeandgay69 2 months ago
@bundfnd It's actually better.
MuscleAddict83 2 months ago
@bundfnd no.
portugaljoao777 1 month ago 2
@bundfnd no, not when the back is upright
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bundfnd 2 months ago
The only thing I don't like in this video is the excessive butt-winking going on there. Should've used someone that's more flexible, or at least tell her to contract the hip flexors on the way down to have less butt-wink.
funk192 2 months ago 2
I thought (was taught) you shoud break at the hips ...
RonMeijers 2 months ago
Why do you allow her to loose her lumbar lordosis?
eishockeyathletik 2 months ago 29
nice depth
1989eob 2 months ago
why should I start with the knees first?
firalord 2 months ago 2
@firalord because this squat is supposed to be a knee (or quad) dominant movement, not a hip dominant movement. That does not mean, that starting the squat by pulling back the hip is wrong, that is just another form of the exercise.
Stoerenfried1 2 months ago
@Stoerenfried1 No, not starting with a break of the hips first is wrong on any back squat....if you want a quad dominant squat you do a front squat
ShadowNINku 2 months ago
@ShadowNINku It is certainly not wrong to start a back squat with a knee-break. And it is not wrong to start with a break at the hips, either. Virtually every exercise can be executed in different ways. Variation of the training stimulus is very important to ensure progress. Poliquin uses all kind of squats in his programs. But the high bar olympic back squat is his benchmark for the training of the lower body. And for good reason.
Achilles248 2 months ago
@firalord
I also want hear the answer of this question!?
This is the first time I hear that.
sikinish 2 months ago