@kamausk True, the NSIS is an active participant in every conversations in the political debates but they failed to convince Kifaki to do the right thing b4 2007-2008 PEV. They have Masada complex of we all have to perish be4 they take over.
obasanjonanjo wewe ni mjinga sana this is not about Kikuyus and Njaluos..This is about Justice.I dont believe that we should take this people to hague but since we cannot promise justice in Kenya then its okay to have them tried by the icc
@kamausk Let me inform you my good Kenyan brothers and sisters. In these blogging forums that we're in, there are many moles planted here by NSIS and other securocrats. Their main aim is to sift through the thinking of Kenyans at home and abroad. The cyber debates is one of their easiest options where NSIS can instil fear by using their divisive tactics of ethnic jingoism, tribal provocation,harrasment by email and constant perusal of what free-thinkers are saying.
@kamausk You will not be surprised if these cyber moles become turncoats on the next current subject; ICC, Corruption, MAU Forest, PNU-ODM Fallout. Remember Joseph Kamotho's words;' There is one tribe which is truelly forgotten, the IDPs' I shall leave it there my brother/sister
JALUO'S WHY ARE YOU SO CONFIDENT THAT YOU HAVE PINNED UA BRODAS,WAKIUKIS,YOU WERE NEVER SATISFIED BY BY USING THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM OF YOUR COUNTRY,AND YOU CALLED FOR MASS ACTION,WHICH CONSISTITUTED TO TO PEV,ARE YOU AWARE YOUR LEADERS ARE AS LIABLE AS THE OCAMPO SIX?
HAWA WAJALUO WANAFIKIRIA VILE WANATUMIA OBAMA AWAMALISE WAKIKUYU WATAWEZA KWELI? JALUO MUMENDANGANYWA WAKIKUYU NI TAIFA TEULE LA MUNGU,MULIRETA HII VITA YOTE VILE HAMTOSHEKI,LAKINI ATA NINYI KITAUMANA SIKU MOJA NA HAMTAKUWA NA ATA OBAMA WAKUWASAIDIA............MSIJINDANGANYE HAKUNA MAHALI MTATUPELEKA KWA VIYOVYOTE VILE.
Ngot ko yaa muriat kobo got nebo......talk of double standards from Jaoko. Ask her how much RAO paid her talk mudsling Ruto and Uhuru. Raila shud be going to Hague for forcing his tribesmen to attack armed Karaoz. Ukoloni mamboleo, all Raila wants is to become president which now am sure is a dream.
We are in support of Wako,Mutula and Saitoti.Its hypocritical of Orengo to always contradict the govt position.We know they think this is an opportunity for Raila to become president. Either way Raila will never lead this country
Raila failed to unite a party (ODM), failed in a peace mission (simple mission compared to S Sudan's freedom where Kalonzo succeeded), brought about chaos in his community- elder's group , who's failed in combating corruption/robbing the poor taxpayers by his chosen ministers, replaced tribalism by NEPOTISM, that as Government Supervisor (PM) has done nothing, TOTALLY NOTHING IN 3 YRS to settle those who were displaced after his call for 'mass action' (yet ODM handles the ministry of lands).
LIFE IS NOT FAIR! EVERYONE WILL CARRY HIS/HER CROSS. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WILL BE THE WIEGHT OF THE CROSS.IN THESE CASE THE ICC MADE THE STEEL CROSSES AND THEY ARE WIGHTY!
@olmaa - I have always told you all a long that we must arrest the militia ASAP. Arap Samoei is going and going away for a long time. He will never be president of Kenya.
@freegastanker1 I hear you freeg but this jaluo Raila is trying to make fortune out of misfortune.He wants to see the ocampo six off the map so that he can succeed Kibaki.I'm eager to hear your response freeg.
@elly300 Raila called for mass action okay? You know that Ruto helped Raila in rift valley if elections were not rigged Raila would be president today divide and rule will never work for Raila.
@olmaa and kibaki stole the elections that y pepo died.dont forget that ,had he not been sworn in at nite,all the violence would hav been prevented.mass action in terms of demos not killing pepo,thats wat raila called 4
If there was a single jaluo on the list of suspects, you would see the amount of stone throwing, railway uprooting the Raila kibera hooligans would do in defence of their own. But since Ocampo was acting on orders of Obama he made sure that no member of his tribe was in the list. Yet it was jaluo leaders that were calling for mass action on Kikuyus, no Raila no peace. How these jaluos escaped the blame is beyond me.
@karuitha It is saddening to see Raila's name was not on the list. Raila is responsible for more deaths than the OCAMPO 6 combined. But remember Raila had human rights group in his back pocket to save his ass. But there is no way Ruto and Kosgey can be convicted and leave out the party boss. It will be unprecedented for hague to just prosecute the lieutenants and leave the general.
@Kenyansoul you are on point there. this debate here is not about hating Luos, it is about Luos led by Raila being at the far front of wanting the Hague 6 convicted. I bet my life if there one or 2 Luos on the list, Raila would be spear heading the shuttle diplomacy. Lets be clear, violence started in Kisumu, there more killings in towns and slums where Luos are a majority. They were acting on orders from the men Raila, Nyongo, Orengo and Mr Mapambano Kajwang. Mass action meant destroy and kill.
@karuitha Man! that's some good evidence you got there, how is it that KHRC does not have it and neither Waki(or whatever his name is) could not access it. In this day and age of infotech you can surely be a witness by letting Ocampo know of all that.
@smithlovekenya those were not court directives, they were Ocampo directives, Ocampo is just the guy taking them to court, so they have no obligation to listen to him unless they wanted to. The REAL court orders were just released yesterday which state that they should not attempt to contact, influence or threaten the witnesses. That said they need to face the law
ARREST THE FUCKERS AND KEEP THEM AT THE HUGUE!THEY HAVE ALREADY VIOLATED THE COURT DIRECTIVE NOT TO CONVEGE TOGETHER!THEY THINK THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW.ATLEAST THE INTERNATIONAL LAW WILL WORK COZ KENYA LAWS ARE NOT FOR THE POWERFUL AND RICH!-
Mtoto akililia wembe mpe....These politicians refused to form a local tribunal now they blame Raila. If they are innocent they should go and defend themselves, shuttle diplomacy shows that Kibaki knows too well that there is credible evidence against some of his inncer circle's involvment in the chaos and might end up being locked up. Waende wajitetee huko instead of hurling matusi kila siku.
Don't be vague, go to The Hague", Ruto and his supporters were chanting that way assumed that ICC would take several years to bring any charges. When ICC moved fast, thye changed gear and now want a local tribunal which they rejected. Wapendi Wasipendi ODINGA WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT
@kamausk True, the NSIS is an active participant in every conversations in the political debates but they failed to convince Kifaki to do the right thing b4 2007-2008 PEV. They have Masada complex of we all have to perish be4 they take over.
MwangiNgatia 1 year ago
obasanjonanjo wewe ni mjinga sana this is not about Kikuyus and Njaluos..This is about Justice.I dont believe that we should take this people to hague but since we cannot promise justice in Kenya then its okay to have them tried by the icc
kamausk 1 year ago
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elly300 1 year ago
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elly300 1 year ago
@kamausk Let me inform you my good Kenyan brothers and sisters. In these blogging forums that we're in, there are many moles planted here by NSIS and other securocrats. Their main aim is to sift through the thinking of Kenyans at home and abroad. The cyber debates is one of their easiest options where NSIS can instil fear by using their divisive tactics of ethnic jingoism, tribal provocation,harrasment by email and constant perusal of what free-thinkers are saying.
elly300 1 year ago
@kamausk You will not be surprised if these cyber moles become turncoats on the next current subject; ICC, Corruption, MAU Forest, PNU-ODM Fallout. Remember Joseph Kamotho's words;' There is one tribe which is truelly forgotten, the IDPs' I shall leave it there my brother/sister
elly300 1 year ago
JALUO'S WHY ARE YOU SO CONFIDENT THAT YOU HAVE PINNED UA BRODAS,WAKIUKIS,YOU WERE NEVER SATISFIED BY BY USING THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM OF YOUR COUNTRY,AND YOU CALLED FOR MASS ACTION,WHICH CONSISTITUTED TO TO PEV,ARE YOU AWARE YOUR LEADERS ARE AS LIABLE AS THE OCAMPO SIX?
OBASANJONAINJO 1 year ago
HAWA WAJALUO WANAFIKIRIA VILE WANATUMIA OBAMA AWAMALISE WAKIKUYU WATAWEZA KWELI? JALUO MUMENDANGANYWA WAKIKUYU NI TAIFA TEULE LA MUNGU,MULIRETA HII VITA YOTE VILE HAMTOSHEKI,LAKINI ATA NINYI KITAUMANA SIKU MOJA NA HAMTAKUWA NA ATA OBAMA WAKUWASAIDIA............MSIJINDANGANYE HAKUNA MAHALI MTATUPELEKA KWA VIYOVYOTE VILE.
OBASANJONAINJO 1 year ago
@OBASANJONAINJO ; You have no brain lol!
heshima9 1 year ago
africans are very disgusting...
vanessak1x 1 year ago
@vanessak1x @Fuck you Venessak1x..who are you to say that africans are very disgusting?this is the highest level of ignorance you portray.
hakim254 1 year ago
...MARTHA KARUA FOR PRESIDENT!!
smithlovekenya 1 year ago
Ngot ko yaa muriat kobo got nebo......talk of double standards from Jaoko. Ask her how much RAO paid her talk mudsling Ruto and Uhuru. Raila shud be going to Hague for forcing his tribesmen to attack armed Karaoz. Ukoloni mamboleo, all Raila wants is to become president which now am sure is a dream.
matiriot1 1 year ago
We are in support of Wako,Mutula and Saitoti.Its hypocritical of Orengo to always contradict the govt position.We know they think this is an opportunity for Raila to become president. Either way Raila will never lead this country
samantha7300 1 year ago
@jasusi2 he died of natural causes,read your history! wacha ukabila!
smithlovekenya 1 year ago
Raila failed to unite a party (ODM), failed in a peace mission (simple mission compared to S Sudan's freedom where Kalonzo succeeded), brought about chaos in his community- elder's group , who's failed in combating corruption/robbing the poor taxpayers by his chosen ministers, replaced tribalism by NEPOTISM, that as Government Supervisor (PM) has done nothing, TOTALLY NOTHING IN 3 YRS to settle those who were displaced after his call for 'mass action' (yet ODM handles the ministry of lands).
samantha7300 1 year ago
Orengo and Kajwang the mouth peace of raila want what? this 2boys hv no balls in their pants! Orengo enda uka sign ttledeeds!
samantha7300 1 year ago
LIFE IS NOT FAIR! EVERYONE WILL CARRY HIS/HER CROSS. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WILL BE THE WIEGHT OF THE CROSS.IN THESE CASE THE ICC MADE THE STEEL CROSSES AND THEY ARE WIGHTY!
smithlovekenya 1 year ago
let the militia eat their own medicine. Arrest them, lock them up and throw away the key.
freegastanker1 1 year ago 2
@freegastanker1 THEY SHOULD FEED THEM TO THE LIONS! BURE KABISA.
papaplus67 1 year ago
@freegastanker1 In this case RAILA becomes the president of kenya in 2012 isn't it ?We better have arap samoe instead.What say you freeg.
olmaa 1 year ago
@olmaa - I have always told you all a long that we must arrest the militia ASAP. Arap Samoei is going and going away for a long time. He will never be president of Kenya.
freegastanker1 1 year ago
@freegastanker1 I hear you freeg but this jaluo Raila is trying to make fortune out of misfortune.He wants to see the ocampo six off the map so that he can succeed Kibaki.I'm eager to hear your response freeg.
olmaa 1 year ago
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elly300 1 year ago
@elly300 Raila called for mass action okay? You know that Ruto helped Raila in rift valley if elections were not rigged Raila would be president today divide and rule will never work for Raila.
olmaa 1 year ago
@olmaa and kibaki stole the elections that y pepo died.dont forget that ,had he not been sworn in at nite,all the violence would hav been prevented.mass action in terms of demos not killing pepo,thats wat raila called 4
wesmonite 1 year ago
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elly300 1 year ago
If there was a single jaluo on the list of suspects, you would see the amount of stone throwing, railway uprooting the Raila kibera hooligans would do in defence of their own. But since Ocampo was acting on orders of Obama he made sure that no member of his tribe was in the list. Yet it was jaluo leaders that were calling for mass action on Kikuyus, no Raila no peace. How these jaluos escaped the blame is beyond me.
karuitha 1 year ago
@karuitha It is saddening to see Raila's name was not on the list. Raila is responsible for more deaths than the OCAMPO 6 combined. But remember Raila had human rights group in his back pocket to save his ass. But there is no way Ruto and Kosgey can be convicted and leave out the party boss. It will be unprecedented for hague to just prosecute the lieutenants and leave the general.
Kenyansoul 1 year ago
@Kenyansoul you are on point there. this debate here is not about hating Luos, it is about Luos led by Raila being at the far front of wanting the Hague 6 convicted. I bet my life if there one or 2 Luos on the list, Raila would be spear heading the shuttle diplomacy. Lets be clear, violence started in Kisumu, there more killings in towns and slums where Luos are a majority. They were acting on orders from the men Raila, Nyongo, Orengo and Mr Mapambano Kajwang. Mass action meant destroy and kill.
karuitha 1 year ago
@karuitha Man! that's some good evidence you got there, how is it that KHRC does not have it and neither Waki(or whatever his name is) could not access it. In this day and age of infotech you can surely be a witness by letting Ocampo know of all that.
TheLakeview4 1 year ago
@karuitha ,Hahaha,very sad,why can't you tell Ocampo!
heshima9 1 year ago
@karuitha
heshima9 1 year ago
@smithlovekenya those were not court directives, they were Ocampo directives, Ocampo is just the guy taking them to court, so they have no obligation to listen to him unless they wanted to. The REAL court orders were just released yesterday which state that they should not attempt to contact, influence or threaten the witnesses. That said they need to face the law
little1920 1 year ago
I say F*CK hague, and let's see what these imperialists will do. If Raila's name is not on the Hague list Kenya will never get justice.
Omena2012 1 year ago
HOW MANY KIDS HAS RAILA FED, AS GOVERNMENT SUPERVISOR - IF HE WAS A VISIONARY LEADER, NO ONE WOULD BE STARVING IN KENYA NOR DYING OF HUNGER !!
sheeoxox 1 year ago
ARREST THE FUCKERS AND KEEP THEM AT THE HUGUE!THEY HAVE ALREADY VIOLATED THE COURT DIRECTIVE NOT TO CONVEGE TOGETHER!THEY THINK THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW.ATLEAST THE INTERNATIONAL LAW WILL WORK COZ KENYA LAWS ARE NOT FOR THE POWERFUL AND RICH!-
smithlovekenya 1 year ago
Mtoto akililia wembe mpe....These politicians refused to form a local tribunal now they blame Raila. If they are innocent they should go and defend themselves, shuttle diplomacy shows that Kibaki knows too well that there is credible evidence against some of his inncer circle's involvment in the chaos and might end up being locked up. Waende wajitetee huko instead of hurling matusi kila siku.
kanindo312 1 year ago
Don't be vague, go to The Hague", Ruto and his supporters were chanting that way assumed that ICC would take several years to bring any charges. When ICC moved fast, thye changed gear and now want a local tribunal which they rejected. Wapendi Wasipendi ODINGA WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT
mwembatayari 1 year ago