wow, this is why I hate idra. because he just calls everyone bad when he loses, when really, he's the one who didn't make enough banes or ANY infestors.
Lol at terran hating zergs. If marines and tanks are so imba why don't you play terran? And why don't you ever complain about mutas being imba considering without the imba marine terrans would have no chance against them and even with the imba marine routinely get picked apart by a ridiculously op, mobile, splash damage, good vs buildings AND air unit? Let's play a game where i can't build marines and you can't build mutas.. i'll destroy you with mech, 100% of the time
@sursurrus and what are you proving then? that mech is op not marines? that your an absolute beast and can win vs zerg with mech?
the fact of the matter is idra was ahead for what 18 mins of the game he had about double the amount of supply he attacks the terran army directly he loses
you say look at it from the terran side without the marines vs mutas
but then you do the same think if the zerg cant harras would zerg have a chance vs terran?
3/3 marines are fucking broken. that fact that a terran can just make tanks, medivacs and marines and win despite being completely outplayed in every facet of the game is absurd.
OMG rofl idra lovers. idra lost because he mismicroed his units. the entire point of 3/3 medimarines is to eat mutas for breakfast. what did he expect.... do you really need to be a pro to understand that trading mutas with marines is bad idea? T_T
Why is Idra raging so hard when he could have won with muta-ling? He should have kept sniping those medivacs, and focusing down the medivacs instead of the marines. Of course marines are going to own if you have medivacs healing thats the point. Also like others have stated he should have gotten some infestors. When idra plays good I like it but I hate stuff like this, he clearly got owned because he made bad decisions, have some class.
Its just so fail to say marines are op.. They NEED medivacs which cost alot. Also if mutas were able to fight marines toe to toe then they would be all zerg needed to win.
much money into mutalisks that aren't able to fight marines. If those had been banelings or infestors instead of mutas, this game would have been much different.
IdrA clearly underestimated his opponent. He took the game for granted, made a few bad decisions, freaked out and eventually lost. His rage was a consequence of his surprise.
Paramedico's mocking awnser to Idra's bad manners was the best, by the way. PWNED.
I can kinda, sorta see Idra being pissed off when people cheese him and all...but here the terran just played really well, came back from a bad situation.
@drmario110 actually, if idra would have pulled his 75 or so drones on one base before the hatch was kill and killed what the terran had left, he would probably have won
@DrunkZergling I know right? :-/ And if you look at the comments on sc2casts.com it's all whining about imbalance and bitching that Anharis only cast an IdrA rage game to get views. *sigh*
i keep reading all these stupid "marines are tier 1, they shldnt be that good vs etc etc". its been months and these dumbasses are still around.
heres the reality. marines need upgrades to be effective. a marine wif shield and stim is effectively tier 1.5, in fact, the time to get stim is usually longer than toss or zerg to get to tier 2. also, to be as fully effective like in this game, they need MEDIVACs and TANK support, both tier 2 units. idra deserve to lose cos he was sloppy, nth else.
@AhnarisStarcraft Very nicely cast. I enjoyed it thoroughly! Some of your previous casts I didn't enjoy as much, but this one definitely got my attention and I really enjoyed it :)
Where's your infestors Idra? Had Hive tech and didn't spend almost any gas at all. 3k gas? Ugh, even a few thrown in would of greatly strengthened his army with the fungal into banelings (and this talk is coming from a silver league player). Pretty poor decision making right there, I've seen him do a lot better.
apart from the obvious mistake of un-upgraded mutas against fully upgraded marines with medivacs, there were some crucial instances where idra was careless with some battles (maybe because he thought he was in a commanding lead).. Idra is a good player and shows solid, dependable builds in the early-mid game but come on... he would not have complained if he had a few infestors.. he went till late game without infestors and never forced the terran to change his build.
Mutas are harassment unit, not straight-up fighting units. If you want to engage into marines directly, you at least need armor upgrades for them, attack upgrades are better for harassment.
And it is not only marines. It was marines 3/3 and medivacs (1 medivac cost the same as muta) vs 2/0 mutas. And he thinks it is ridiculous but it is actually Idra who is ridiculous. He threw away a won game.
Terran best counter to mutas. MARINES. What did Idra use to kill the marines, mutas. He lost the game by himself. 4 Infestors with fungus would have killed all that marine medivac ball.
Idra was clearly FAR FAR ahead in every regard in that game and the Terran even had only 12 marines to literally 100 zerglings at the early stages. The Terran was always at least 50 supply behind before the end of the game. The Terran even mined out the gold and still couldn't do any proper attacks.
You cannot possibly say that IdrA did not deserve the win in that game.
@lousycactus 2-0 mutas? thats pretty good for mutas if you ask me. banelings against marines? the supposed counter to them? lings that completely outnumber them yet do jackshit anyways?
so idra didn't have 3-3 on his ground units, okay that's one thing hes behind in. he's still way ahead in every other way possible in the game and the terran is just straight up bad. way to focus on one little thing and ignore the rest
the strength of marines is ridiculously stupid. 30 mutas (4x the cost) shouldn't die to 30 marines. yes, he needed more banelings, but this would have been the case with 30 marines vs 100 lings, or 20 stalkers, or 20 marauders; marines are stupidly strong, to the extent that they're broken. imagine how much terran players would whine if 60 zerglings or 15 zealots could kill 120 marines (4x the cost), or 50 marauders. yeah, that's ACTUALLY the correct analogy.
@trbot - u can't just compare 30 marines to 30 mutas. the marines had like 7-8 medivacs as support. so that invested cost in those tow armies was similar plus the marines had upgrade advantage (also more money invested). idras timing was a bit unlucky, thats why the marines looked OP.
@trbot That's a dumb analogy because mutas are supposed to be relatively weak in a head on fight, compared to the other t1 / 1.5 units. Also, the marines were 3/3 upgrades towards the end, while Idra had only 0/2 upgrades. That's a gigantic difference. The only thing that's stupid here is Idra's stubborness and refusal to get his units past 0/2, for whatever reason. Oh and whiners.
@trbot Zealots can kill 4x their cost. Fully upgraded zlots against unupgraded lings, or barely upgraded lings. Trying reading next time before you make yourself sound like an idiot. That may seem beyond your capabilities though.
@lousycactus Not so much; 3-3 zealots vs. 2-2 lings are still hard pressed to kill 4x their cost in lings. One 3-3 zealot loses to five 2-2 lings (125% cost, far from the 400% you claim), and things only get worse in large numbers. You're the one who sounds like an idiot. I point out that you misread and you claim I misread...
@trbot Marines don't fly, can't be used for harass and map control. Mutas aren't supposed to go toe-to-toe against fully upgraded Marines, of course the DPS is going to shred them. To assume that just because the amounts of resources are equal or greater for the Mutas than for Marines, then Mutas should win, is missing their place in the gameplay.
@ajpbrunet I hear you; I wouldn't expect mutas to go toe-to-toe with phoenixes either, but it seems a little bit silly that mutas are far more effective versus, say, stalkers, than marines. Of course, /my/ point was actually that marines seem to be far too strong all around. Get a reasonable pack of marines with stim, and they'll trash 5x their cost in stalkers, immortals, sentries, void rays, carriers, lings, hydras, mutas, and the list goes on. What other unit offers something similar?
@trbot .Ah, fair enough, sorry about the confusion on my part.
I hear ya too. But. Marines are undoubtedly the most cost-effective unit in the game. But what about full-upgrade chargelots? Marines do 2 damage against them! Or attack-upgraded colossi? Only takes two of them to one-shot marines, no? Fungal can ruin their day, or psy storm, or banelings (which require quite good micro to deal with). I think comparing them to other tier-1 (except for zealot) like other do isn't the most relevant.
@ajpbrunet Well, I'll agree with a lot of what you say, because you're basically making my point for me! In order to beat marines resoundingly, you need to go to spell-casters, or tier-3 units! That's ridiculous. You don't see people freaking out and rushing to tier-3 to deal with lings, or zealots. As for full-upgrade chargelots against marines, actually they get obliterated... I mean stutter-step is easy at plat. level, and stim + even a 2-0 upgrade (attack) on the marines makes this EZ.
@trbot Hate to drag on but: why the idea that any tier-1 unit should be able to go toe-to-toe against any other tier-1 unit? It completely disregards the rest of the game mechanics. Besides, heavily-upgraded marines are mid-to-late-game, by which point there should be other options available. Also, banelings. I just think it's weird to say the most basic Terran unit is imba - the other races compensate in other ways. But we're probably never going to agree on this unfortunately :)
@ajpbrunet I don't see what you're saying here, because I never said every tier-1 unit should be equally effective versus every other tier-1 unit. what i /did/ say was that terran tier-1 is more effective versus a MUCH larger set of units than the tier one units of any other race, and that terran tier-1 (particularly the marine) is stupidly cost effective, much more so than any other unit in the game, period. It seems imbalanced that terran tier-1 /requires spellcasters or tier-3 to beat/.
@ajpbrunet and, yes, you could go banes, but terran rarely goes marines -only-, and in conjunction with tanks or marauders, provided the terran doesn't mess up and unseige when the banes are nearby, it is entirely impossible to have any semblence of cost effectiveness when using banes (which cost 50min/25gas btw--for reference, 5 banes = 1 tank + 2 marines). (And for people who say banes are good vs. marauders/tanks, note that it takes 7 banes to kill a marauder, and 8 for a tank.)
@HJaySC I shouldn't have said "terrible." Rather Idra outplayed him the entire game and then with about 40 marines he managed to kill around 200 supply of Zerg units (that is, he killed multiple armies). Only Terran can use a tier 1 unit to such effect. The Terran player did a good job macroing throughout and his micro in spots was definitely top notch. He undoubtedly, still, should have lost.
i agree with idra though, that WAS fucking rediculous... he had equal if not more mutalisks to the marines and yet they still killed all the mutas... equal numbers of 50M units owning equal numbers of 100M 100G units, fucking retarded
@beauzuluuluz 1) Upgrades and medivacs favoured Paramedico. 2) Ridiculous? How about banelings? You can't really say mutas are the counter to marines. 3) Quit whining about mechanics, skill is far more superior in match-ups than the supposed imbalances. That does not mean one should not aim to balance it even further, but all in all it ultimately comes down to the individual player's skill, game sense, reaction time and processing.
@snoozingaznkid he had only 2 almost dead after the battle, medivacs have shitton of health, he focused the medivacs before switching to marines while the marines were shooting
@djangoguru r u talking about 18:38? there is still 3 medivacs left and no he didnt focus the medivacs. if u look carefully, the dmg is too low to say that that many mutas couldnt easily kill those medivacs in three shots. he was attacking the marines the whole time and the glaves were just bouncing off the marines and hitting the medivacs
@beauzuluuluz nah. they both had equal or paramedico couldve had more army supply since about half of idra's supply were drones. also idra made a very bad engagement when he killed all of his banelings at 17:51 therefore costing him the game
@beauzuluuluz So what? Cost of units doesn't tell you everything about how the units should be used. Once again, Mutas have flight, speed and can be used for harass and map control. Marines are a direct engagement type of units, and were fully upgraded. IdrA just didn't use his Mutas the right way, I'll say with all due respect to a player of his stature.
I also want to mention that upgrading armor for muta is very unlikely happened, because correct usage of muta is not for tanking damage. Muta is not units for hitting back and forth, but it is for hit-and-run. So only attack upgrade for muta is very natural thing.
However, what is true is, muta is SUCK at late game. this is reason why you need tech. Where is any Infestor or brood lords? Well, what I am gonna admit is marine don't need any tech. That doesn't make any excuse for Idra though.
Well, I need to admit that Terran player was not that good. His micro/reaction time was relatively bad compared to other top players. I kinda understand Idra for this game though for most other games I just feel he needs to blame himself.
Having 3/3 for muta is waayy different compared to having 3/3 for marine, because you usually don't have 2 spires unlike engineering bay. Still, as a pro, you need to know that 0 armor muta will melt like ice cream against 3/3 marine, Idra.
This is one of those games that Idra knows he lost. I have no problem loosing a game when I know I made mistakes and learned from them. This terran was such a scrub and was so far behind. The only thing that saved him was his upgrades
why commit the mutas??!!!! just base race at end and gg from T. Both played outstanding games.
ultimatehaydn 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
i cant believe idra lost.... And that solely from a tier 1 unit.... zerg units must be hard to control O_o
Trikkie87 1 week ago
@Trikkie87 The Terran had 3-3 upgrades. That was the main reason
nathanmaggiore 6 days ago
shitty game
Repanocho 2 weeks ago
epic game!!
Hytonen 3 weeks ago
really Idra, 2/0 muta and 2/1 zergling vs 3/3 marines? It is ridiculous only because you didn't use your hive tech.
jake4580 4 weeks ago 2
muta ling is so bad against fully upgraded stim marine and medviac...
startingsprinter 1 month ago
Idra's rages because "terran only knows how to make marines and tanks", but he only knows how to make mutas and lings.
LifeInspector 1 month ago 5
wow, this is why I hate idra. because he just calls everyone bad when he loses, when really, he's the one who didn't make enough banes or ANY infestors.
LifeInspector 1 month ago
IdrA is the best player...
MrMilan90 1 month ago
Lol at terran hating zergs. If marines and tanks are so imba why don't you play terran? And why don't you ever complain about mutas being imba considering without the imba marine terrans would have no chance against them and even with the imba marine routinely get picked apart by a ridiculously op, mobile, splash damage, good vs buildings AND air unit? Let's play a game where i can't build marines and you can't build mutas.. i'll destroy you with mech, 100% of the time
sursurrus 1 month ago
@sursurrus and what are you proving then? that mech is op not marines? that your an absolute beast and can win vs zerg with mech?
the fact of the matter is idra was ahead for what 18 mins of the game he had about double the amount of supply he attacks the terran army directly he loses
you say look at it from the terran side without the marines vs mutas
but then you do the same think if the zerg cant harras would zerg have a chance vs terran?
luckygozer 1 month ago
lol poor idra -.-
He played alot better but yet he still was fucking stupid
BlaZe941025 1 month ago
Terran is soooooooooooooooooo fucking OP!!!
rulex1996 1 month ago
fuck you Idra. piece of shit
dodgethehell 1 month ago
@dodgethehell Shut up jealous kid IdrA is the best...
MrMilan90 1 month ago
3/3 marines are fucking broken. that fact that a terran can just make tanks, medivacs and marines and win despite being completely outplayed in every facet of the game is absurd.
Lunarcheese72 1 month ago
@Lunarcheese72 fUCk you
dodgethehell 1 month ago
@dodgethehell no
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TemmeSchumann321 1 month ago
ah, its been such a long time i haven't been seing idra rage! Too much good manners lately....
Perdristan 1 month ago
hahahahaha
Madhofd 1 month ago
you make marauder in case of a roach all in dude.. cmon everyone knows that -.-
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PhadedTim 2 months ago
dude...you dont go muta against marines...even i know that and im terrible at this game.
Veliuszero1 2 months ago
@Veliuszero1 Mutas are for harass not army muta ling bane is standard against marine tank medivac
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Veliuszero1 2 months ago
classic idra hahahaha
managarm1349 2 months ago
OMG rofl idra lovers. idra lost because he mismicroed his units. the entire point of 3/3 medimarines is to eat mutas for breakfast. what did he expect.... do you really need to be a pro to understand that trading mutas with marines is bad idea? T_T
damelicious 2 months ago
Why is Idra raging so hard when he could have won with muta-ling? He should have kept sniping those medivacs, and focusing down the medivacs instead of the marines. Of course marines are going to own if you have medivacs healing thats the point. Also like others have stated he should have gotten some infestors. When idra plays good I like it but I hate stuff like this, he clearly got owned because he made bad decisions, have some class.
stayelusive 2 months ago 2
And I play zerg, the key is to use infestor and banelings more and do SOME micro
lolippi 3 months ago
Its just so fail to say marines are op.. They NEED medivacs which cost alot. Also if mutas were able to fight marines toe to toe then they would be all zerg needed to win.
lolippi 3 months ago
Marines aren't OP, it's just that zergs put so
much money into mutalisks that aren't able to fight marines. If those had been banelings or infestors instead of mutas, this game would have been much different.
MrJoostinC 3 months ago
@MrJoostinC nope marines are OP
bootysmack420 2 months ago
@bootysmack420 Agreed.
gamer43210 2 months ago
Seriously.. i feel for idra.. He played SO much better than the terran.. I mean, by a long shot. Marines are so damn good it's ridiculous
MilletGtr 3 months ago
how many fucking zerlings does it take to kill 8 marines? fucking terran
Anghelnicolae 3 months ago
IdrA clearly underestimated his opponent. He took the game for granted, made a few bad decisions, freaked out and eventually lost. His rage was a consequence of his surprise.
Paramedico's mocking awnser to Idra's bad manners was the best, by the way. PWNED.
flaviocbrangel 3 months ago
awe if only idra made more banelings.
zengamer321 3 months ago
What about drone-swarming the Marines IdrA? o.O
Also:
Hero marines: fun
Anharis: fun
IdrA rage: fun
Imba-whiners IdrA fans: even more fun :D
ajpbrunet 3 months ago 7
Idra hurgggg thumbs up for ending mountain cat
dethem 3 months ago
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dethem 3 months ago
At that point, sack the f***ing drones...
517darkangel 3 months ago
I can kinda, sorta see Idra being pissed off when people cheese him and all...but here the terran just played really well, came back from a bad situation.
Also, why no infestors? Against all Marine?
Migolcow 3 months ago
always love watching idra lose! Im a zerg player but he is so BM and deserves to lose
rockcrawlerfin 3 months ago
Ahnaris is OK... but still a second hand Husky.
VivaHelsinki 3 months ago
IDRA IS A OVERHYPED RAGING BITCH LOSIRA or NESTEA WILL ROCK HIM ALL DAY
TheDabicboi 3 months ago
@TheDabicboi The all caps rage makes it true you know. Although I do agree Nestea is a better player. Idra seems to be very one dimensional at times.
MeaninglessAcronym 3 months ago
@TheDabicboi He was SO close winning over NesTea, you moron.
Terkel1994 3 months ago
terran op
drmario110 3 months ago
@drmario110 actually, if idra would have pulled his 75 or so drones on one base before the hatch was kill and killed what the terran had left, he would probably have won
TheNeCafe 3 months ago
ohh man , i enjoydead ! X)
SmokerTmL 3 months ago
what if "fu" became the new "gg" just imagine all your games in ladder
LordCbass 3 months ago
I just wanted to see AN infestor. Just one
DrunkZergling 3 months ago 19
@DrunkZergling I know right? :-/ And if you look at the comments on sc2casts.com it's all whining about imbalance and bitching that Anharis only cast an IdrA rage game to get views. *sigh*
ajpbrunet 3 months ago
oh, and by the way... WHERE THE !@#$#$ WERE THE INFESTORS?!?!?!!?
AAAHHHHHHHHHHH
sirkible 3 months ago
Idra needs to get off drugs. If it is not drugs that makes him such a loser then maybe he was born that way.
tomson600 3 months ago
i keep reading all these stupid "marines are tier 1, they shldnt be that good vs etc etc". its been months and these dumbasses are still around.
heres the reality. marines need upgrades to be effective. a marine wif shield and stim is effectively tier 1.5, in fact, the time to get stim is usually longer than toss or zerg to get to tier 2. also, to be as fully effective like in this game, they need MEDIVACs and TANK support, both tier 2 units. idra deserve to lose cos he was sloppy, nth else.
Shinji87 3 months ago
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Shinji87 3 months ago
@AhnarisStarcraft Very nicely cast. I enjoyed it thoroughly! Some of your previous casts I didn't enjoy as much, but this one definitely got my attention and I really enjoyed it :)
Razorflamekun 3 months ago
idra is dumb for losing. he didn't know what to attack with his mutas lol
ghkdgowjd 3 months ago
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SO 31 tier 1 marines with stim and medic support vs 31 mutas and a bunch of lings and terran died only 10 marines is totally justified. way to go sc2
jrmwow 3 months ago
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jrmwow 3 months ago
What a complete a total classless asshole Idra is..
Madawg65 3 months ago
rofl if idra said that to me i'd just reply with "UMAD ??"
A7OldRscplayer 3 months ago
this was such an awful game.
Cbav 3 months ago
Where's your infestors Idra? Had Hive tech and didn't spend almost any gas at all. 3k gas? Ugh, even a few thrown in would of greatly strengthened his army with the fungal into banelings (and this talk is coming from a silver league player). Pretty poor decision making right there, I've seen him do a lot better.
JBeezy231 3 months ago
Awesome match!
xBoombox100x 3 months ago
Idra is such a fag, what a sore little pussy!
longhair202 3 months ago
@longhair202 i love it, he provides me with LOL moments all the time :DD
albusfr 3 months ago
apart from the obvious mistake of un-upgraded mutas against fully upgraded marines with medivacs, there were some crucial instances where idra was careless with some battles (maybe because he thought he was in a commanding lead).. Idra is a good player and shows solid, dependable builds in the early-mid game but come on... he would not have complained if he had a few infestors.. he went till late game without infestors and never forced the terran to change his build.
snowblind1985 3 months ago
Mutas are harassment unit, not straight-up fighting units. If you want to engage into marines directly, you at least need armor upgrades for them, attack upgrades are better for harassment.
And it is not only marines. It was marines 3/3 and medivacs (1 medivac cost the same as muta) vs 2/0 mutas. And he thinks it is ridiculous but it is actually Idra who is ridiculous. He threw away a won game.
Frenki85 3 months ago
haha this game had it all!
hankmiestro 3 months ago
terran 50 supply behind the entire game, mules and marines solve.
JoshC091 3 months ago
Terran best counter to mutas. MARINES. What did Idra use to kill the marines, mutas. He lost the game by himself. 4 Infestors with fungus would have killed all that marine medivac ball.
MrGeorgebuy 3 months ago
zvt all the same..
emdeck80 3 months ago
thanks for the spoiler assholes
visadx 3 months ago
Marine is the only counter to muta. Remember that. Idra could have switched, but he chose to be stubborn and therefore lost.
evzbc7 3 months ago
Ahh, the classic Idra rages. He's been so polite recently I feared I'd never get to see one of these again :)
tallbenito 3 months ago
Idra was clearly FAR FAR ahead in every regard in that game and the Terran even had only 12 marines to literally 100 zerglings at the early stages. The Terran was always at least 50 supply behind before the end of the game. The Terran even mined out the gold and still couldn't do any proper attacks.
You cannot possibly say that IdrA did not deserve the win in that game.
OVERLORDai 3 months ago
@OVERLORDai Idra lost the game!
HolidayNova 3 months ago
@OVERLORDai yea except that idra had absolutely horrible upgrades. Glad you conveniently failed to point that out
lousycactus 3 months ago
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@lousycactus 2-0 mutas? thats pretty good for mutas if you ask me. banelings against marines? the supposed counter to them? lings that completely outnumber them yet do jackshit anyways?
so idra didn't have 3-3 on his ground units, okay that's one thing hes behind in. he's still way ahead in every other way possible in the game and the terran is just straight up bad. way to focus on one little thing and ignore the rest
OVERLORDai 3 months ago
@OVERLORDai ...deserve? Or *should have*? 'cause there's a big difference, and I don't think you could attribute the latter to Terran.
ajpbrunet 3 months ago
I freaking LOVE idra!! He is easily one of my favorite Zerg players! =) (also i agree that was ridiculous)
deathv101 3 months ago
Anyone else hear the doorbell at 10:43 ?
Pysosis2 3 months ago
28 mutas vs 24 marines and 3 medivacks.
2800 mins, 2800 gas vs 1500 mins 300 gas.
all tier 2 vs most tier 1 and 3 tier 3.
obviously, terran should win in this circumstance.
*Terran wins with 8 marines and 3 medivacks left.
As a protoss, I believe this is balanced. _\(=/)/_
AxzenStarcraft 3 months ago
@Drvelasco45 you have never heard of spanishiwa? his a zerg player who made the 36 food 4 gas build
chaosrave 3 months ago
Idra never failed to amused me, keep it real :)
demonrush 3 months ago
it took idra 25 mins into the game to get banes and he wonders why marins owned him lol.
gaggyfish 3 months ago
Nothing can stand against 3 3 marines man!
rahmantabusum786 3 months ago
I agree w/ the Idra rage. That was f'n ridiculous.
allenkim96 3 months ago
"and there's the 'f u' from EG.IdrA"
21:19
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mal4zn 3 months ago
3 3 marines are just stupidly strong.
mouchy123 3 months ago
idra just made a bad choice in the end
mouchy123 3 months ago
idra is such a sad newb muta's and zerglings only gogo! sad just sad people should rage on him for being a fag
LilTun3chi 3 months ago
the strength of marines is ridiculously stupid. 30 mutas (4x the cost) shouldn't die to 30 marines. yes, he needed more banelings, but this would have been the case with 30 marines vs 100 lings, or 20 stalkers, or 20 marauders; marines are stupidly strong, to the extent that they're broken. imagine how much terran players would whine if 60 zerglings or 15 zealots could kill 120 marines (4x the cost), or 50 marauders. yeah, that's ACTUALLY the correct analogy.
trbot 3 months ago
@trbot - u can't just compare 30 marines to 30 mutas. the marines had like 7-8 medivacs as support. so that invested cost in those tow armies was similar plus the marines had upgrade advantage (also more money invested). idras timing was a bit unlucky, thats why the marines looked OP.
StepMap 3 months ago
@trbot marines in general are retarded. i think the amount of attack speed they gain from stim should be reduced
DOmetry 3 months ago
@trbot That's a dumb analogy because mutas are supposed to be relatively weak in a head on fight, compared to the other t1 / 1.5 units. Also, the marines were 3/3 upgrades towards the end, while Idra had only 0/2 upgrades. That's a gigantic difference. The only thing that's stupid here is Idra's stubborness and refusal to get his units past 0/2, for whatever reason. Oh and whiners.
lousycactus 3 months ago
@lousycactus Herp derp, the analogy was for zealots killing 4x their cost. Your argument makes no sense.
trbot 3 months ago
@trbot Zealots can kill 4x their cost. Fully upgraded zlots against unupgraded lings, or barely upgraded lings. Trying reading next time before you make yourself sound like an idiot. That may seem beyond your capabilities though.
lousycactus 3 months ago
@lousycactus Not so much; 3-3 zealots vs. 2-2 lings are still hard pressed to kill 4x their cost in lings. One 3-3 zealot loses to five 2-2 lings (125% cost, far from the 400% you claim), and things only get worse in large numbers. You're the one who sounds like an idiot. I point out that you misread and you claim I misread...
trbot 3 months ago
@lousycactus you sound like idra lol.
sirkible 3 months ago
@trbot Marines don't fly, can't be used for harass and map control. Mutas aren't supposed to go toe-to-toe against fully upgraded Marines, of course the DPS is going to shred them. To assume that just because the amounts of resources are equal or greater for the Mutas than for Marines, then Mutas should win, is missing their place in the gameplay.
ajpbrunet 3 months ago
@ajpbrunet I hear you; I wouldn't expect mutas to go toe-to-toe with phoenixes either, but it seems a little bit silly that mutas are far more effective versus, say, stalkers, than marines. Of course, /my/ point was actually that marines seem to be far too strong all around. Get a reasonable pack of marines with stim, and they'll trash 5x their cost in stalkers, immortals, sentries, void rays, carriers, lings, hydras, mutas, and the list goes on. What other unit offers something similar?
trbot 3 months ago
@trbot .Ah, fair enough, sorry about the confusion on my part.
I hear ya too. But. Marines are undoubtedly the most cost-effective unit in the game. But what about full-upgrade chargelots? Marines do 2 damage against them! Or attack-upgraded colossi? Only takes two of them to one-shot marines, no? Fungal can ruin their day, or psy storm, or banelings (which require quite good micro to deal with). I think comparing them to other tier-1 (except for zealot) like other do isn't the most relevant.
ajpbrunet 3 months ago
@ajpbrunet Well, I'll agree with a lot of what you say, because you're basically making my point for me! In order to beat marines resoundingly, you need to go to spell-casters, or tier-3 units! That's ridiculous. You don't see people freaking out and rushing to tier-3 to deal with lings, or zealots. As for full-upgrade chargelots against marines, actually they get obliterated... I mean stutter-step is easy at plat. level, and stim + even a 2-0 upgrade (attack) on the marines makes this EZ.
trbot 3 months ago
@trbot Hate to drag on but: why the idea that any tier-1 unit should be able to go toe-to-toe against any other tier-1 unit? It completely disregards the rest of the game mechanics. Besides, heavily-upgraded marines are mid-to-late-game, by which point there should be other options available. Also, banelings. I just think it's weird to say the most basic Terran unit is imba - the other races compensate in other ways. But we're probably never going to agree on this unfortunately :)
ajpbrunet 3 months ago
@ajpbrunet I don't see what you're saying here, because I never said every tier-1 unit should be equally effective versus every other tier-1 unit. what i /did/ say was that terran tier-1 is more effective versus a MUCH larger set of units than the tier one units of any other race, and that terran tier-1 (particularly the marine) is stupidly cost effective, much more so than any other unit in the game, period. It seems imbalanced that terran tier-1 /requires spellcasters or tier-3 to beat/.
trbot 3 months ago
@ajpbrunet and, yes, you could go banes, but terran rarely goes marines -only-, and in conjunction with tanks or marauders, provided the terran doesn't mess up and unseige when the banes are nearby, it is entirely impossible to have any semblence of cost effectiveness when using banes (which cost 50min/25gas btw--for reference, 5 banes = 1 tank + 2 marines). (And for people who say banes are good vs. marauders/tanks, note that it takes 7 banes to kill a marauder, and 8 for a tank.)
trbot 3 months ago
My heart goes to Idra. Terran play awfully the entire game and then pulls out the win. Only Terran is capable of doing this.
aNamelessDread 3 months ago
@aNamelessDread How so? it seemed like his marine control and macro was pretty good.
HJaySC 3 months ago
@HJaySC I shouldn't have said "terrible." Rather Idra outplayed him the entire game and then with about 40 marines he managed to kill around 200 supply of Zerg units (that is, he killed multiple armies). Only Terran can use a tier 1 unit to such effect. The Terran player did a good job macroing throughout and his micro in spots was definitely top notch. He undoubtedly, still, should have lost.
aNamelessDread 3 months ago
@aNamelessDread but keep in mind that medivacs are not tier 1 and they help a lot.
drchen054 3 months ago
@aNamelessDread try throwing 0/2 lings against 3/3 zlots and tell me what happens
lousycactus 3 months ago
what were idras ground upgrades? obv. 3-3 rapes, what was he expecting?
maltetheg 3 months ago
The Few, the Proud....
The Marines.
Sid7Vicious 3 months ago
great game
lexsxc1234 3 months ago
3/3 marines so balanced.
V4r3k 3 months ago
You guys should stop the spoilers, lol.
V4r3k 3 months ago
Idra like losing mutas to unupgraded marines it seems like...
cityboy2k11 3 months ago
sick game
SpiritOfSneedling 3 months ago
Since when has 0-2 mutas been a counter to 3-3 marines? Idra got what he deserved...
ethalin 3 months ago 37
@ethalin Yea, especially since mutas cost 100 minerals and 100 gas and Idra has 2x more mutas than marines...
iammestamanRS 3 months ago
@ethalin he deserved that dumb loss even though he played perfectly in every other regard?
OVERLORDai 3 months ago
idra is so fucking bad, he had so much gas all he needed was a few infestors. fungal would have raped those marines.
TippettRugby 3 months ago
its a pleasure see how idra loses
Andrescc12 3 months ago
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tehverybestcomment 3 months ago
Idra at the end of game had 3 k gas why no muta?
Oliver1131 3 months ago
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you suck ahnaris
meatissodumb 3 months ago
@meatissodumb and you suck aswell
WisLaRapJo 3 months ago
@WisLaRapJo no i don't
meatissodumb 3 months ago
I'd ragequit this anytime. Go Idra!
uiron 3 months ago 7
Sick game lol
Mitttch2k7 3 months ago
too much missed attacks....
santakills1 3 months ago
Paramedico was an inferior player to Idra but that doesn't stop the fact that Idra routinely makes horrible decisions with his armies.
mazack00 3 months ago
So sorry LOL
iplz 3 months ago
Upgrades, Amanda.
Also replacing those expansions would've been nice.
Also also, replacing those medivacs.
OOCMonster 3 months ago
i agree with idra though, that WAS fucking rediculous... he had equal if not more mutalisks to the marines and yet they still killed all the mutas... equal numbers of 50M units owning equal numbers of 100M 100G units, fucking retarded
terran is so broken
beauzuluuluz 3 months ago
@beauzuluuluz 1) Upgrades and medivacs favoured Paramedico. 2) Ridiculous? How about banelings? You can't really say mutas are the counter to marines. 3) Quit whining about mechanics, skill is far more superior in match-ups than the supposed imbalances. That does not mean one should not aim to balance it even further, but all in all it ultimately comes down to the individual player's skill, game sense, reaction time and processing.
LucidCatnap 3 months ago
@beauzuluuluz he was focusing the medivacs and that had cost him the game
djangoguru 3 months ago
@djangoguru u mean near the end? i think he was focusing the marines. if he had focused the medivacs, then there wouldnt be any left
snoozingaznkid 3 months ago
@snoozingaznkid he had only 2 almost dead after the battle, medivacs have shitton of health, he focused the medivacs before switching to marines while the marines were shooting
djangoguru 3 months ago
@djangoguru r u talking about 18:38? there is still 3 medivacs left and no he didnt focus the medivacs. if u look carefully, the dmg is too low to say that that many mutas couldnt easily kill those medivacs in three shots. he was attacking the marines the whole time and the glaves were just bouncing off the marines and hitting the medivacs
snoozingaznkid 3 months ago
@beauzuluuluz nah. they both had equal or paramedico couldve had more army supply since about half of idra's supply were drones. also idra made a very bad engagement when he killed all of his banelings at 17:51 therefore costing him the game
snoozingaznkid 3 months ago
@beauzuluuluz So what? Cost of units doesn't tell you everything about how the units should be used. Once again, Mutas have flight, speed and can be used for harass and map control. Marines are a direct engagement type of units, and were fully upgraded. IdrA just didn't use his Mutas the right way, I'll say with all due respect to a player of his stature.
ajpbrunet 3 months ago
A zerg can pretty much gg if the marines get 3-3 without having T3,lol
SeQuoiae1 3 months ago
eg = Evil Geniuses
ep = Evil Penises?
iLickForFr33 3 months ago
nice cat bro
BorderJump13 3 months ago
classic
IxedoMastergun 3 months ago
I only watch Idra game where he lose.
tsalbeci 3 months ago
What the hell? That BM was completely unjustified. IdrA just threw the game away. He had it won.
xCooki777 3 months ago
Lulz, marines troll the fuck out of zerg every time.
galenhenn 3 months ago
3-3 upgrades on marines dude. muta only had 2 attack. Zerglins have 2-1. Surely a mop up.
nainex52 3 months ago
I understand idra's frustration, terran is a joke
SvennemanZZZ 3 months ago
Marines is like zealots whit range, and quick as speedlings..
NHLArks 3 months ago
Marines are total BS, i have lost to them many times. Marines are cheap to produce and they tear shit up = BS
carlace777 3 months ago
@carlace777 Absolutely, you have lost to them many times, which means they're imbalanced :D
ajpbrunet 3 months ago
Everyone Thinks:
1) idra tears are delicious
2) terran is not op [insert sarcasm]
HumaneAnon 3 months ago
It's a shame IdrA doesn't release his own replays, so whenever it's not from a major tournament and being cast, you already know he loses. :/
CardboardJesusWoWTCG 3 months ago 2
HAHAHAHAH..... HE MAD!!!!
CaptainSrzBznz 3 months ago
i HATE marines
poooo7 3 months ago
IdRa!!!!!! Really?? Really?
MrVegita2 3 months ago
I also want to mention that upgrading armor for muta is very unlikely happened, because correct usage of muta is not for tanking damage. Muta is not units for hitting back and forth, but it is for hit-and-run. So only attack upgrade for muta is very natural thing.
However, what is true is, muta is SUCK at late game. this is reason why you need tech. Where is any Infestor or brood lords? Well, what I am gonna admit is marine don't need any tech. That doesn't make any excuse for Idra though.
ELPCPU 3 months ago
Well, I need to admit that Terran player was not that good. His micro/reaction time was relatively bad compared to other top players. I kinda understand Idra for this game though for most other games I just feel he needs to blame himself.
Having 3/3 for muta is waayy different compared to having 3/3 for marine, because you usually don't have 2 spires unlike engineering bay. Still, as a pro, you need to know that 0 armor muta will melt like ice cream against 3/3 marine, Idra.
ELPCPU 3 months ago
Best fucking game ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IronAssassin9 3 months ago
Terran is BS. And needs the shit nerfed out of them. And Idra needs to learn to tech
MrCJudd 3 months ago
This is one of those games that Idra knows he lost. I have no problem loosing a game when I know I made mistakes and learned from them. This terran was such a scrub and was so far behind. The only thing that saved him was his upgrades
cloudx4541 3 months ago
idra rage feeds our souls!
tacotwosdays 3 months ago 33