Fatal Dive Accidents in Blue Hole, Dahab episode 6

[poxcr]

Hello Elena! I am interested on purchasing or downloading both of your documentaries. Can you point me to where can I obtain them? Thanks!

[marinefish321]

yea girlslikdivin24 but there are good scuba diving stories on the net also. The myscubastory site has dive accident videos and stories, along with lots of other videos and stories on diving! Type mscubastory into google, and its the first one! enjoy

[SuperEasytiger]

JDrinker2 u can also find good dive stories on the net, try the myscubastory site. Type myscubastory in google n its the first one - enjoy!

[EthanXWolf]

iv went done there is looks so cool i

[meYry12thofMay87]

um... It says they found some equipment at 170 m... What is exactly the depth of the blue hole? I thought it was 130 m at the most. And how is it possible to simply disappear? like the other guy who turned off his torch (that one was really insane)... The current that flows into the hole is so powerful or what?

And please, i'd like to know if there is a link to the whole documentary? These tiny episodes have already kept me glued to the chair.

[overseasmedia]

@meYry12thofMay87 The bottom of the BH is a SLOPE (watch my 3d computer graphics Andrey died outside of the Arch, so the depth could vary from 130- 200 m deep, please email me your postal address and I will get you the DVD

Elena

[motelek101]

@meYry12thofMay87 well they say he dissapeared while outside of the Arch. on the shore side, the max depth is 207m, while on the other side it drops down to 1,300m. and if when he went down he slipped on the outer side of the wall, his body is lying on the floor of the Red Sea, where nobody will ever find him.... so sad :(

deep diving is a complex and dangerous business. stay within 40m and enjoy!!

[LLS32]

Where can i get the whole documentary? Seems very interesting..

[overseasmedia]

@LLS32 Please emnail me your postal address and phone number, I will try to get you the DVD when I am back to USA

[TheShaggedelic]

5 is not bad visiblity! I did my first dive in 1 m visiblity!!

[overseasmedia]

@TheShaggedelic Did you do your first dive in the Dahab's Blue Hole??

[TheShaggedelic]

@overseasmedia

goa suzie's wreck :)

[thegirl44]

While I admire the courage of anyone who dives I still contend that you're all crazy and will stay on my surfboard.

The idea of depending on life support freaks me out so much that I have a Do Not Resuscitate order in my will.

[beckybooxox]

could of been nitorgen narcosis where the body is in a trance like state it is caused by breathing in compressed air while at great depths. aparently it feels like your drunk and your vision is extreamly impaired

[thegodzilladude]

- a shark maybe?

[thegirl44]

@thegodzilladude

No, not a shark. There's nothing for them to feed on in the Blue Hole so they aren't around there.

[agesilaoskaradenizli]

I mean "Sacred Truth" and "Beyond Blue" documentaries.

[agesilaoskaradenizli]

Congratulations on your work. I' ve watched all of them here on the tube for several times. Is there anywhere available the whole "Beyond Blue" documentary or the "Fatal Dive Accidents in Blue Hole"? On DVD? What about the cost? Thanks in advance.

[heckaman123]

it said they didnt know which way is up

all you have to do is look at your bubbles lol

[Samurailord]

true. But as you can imagine it is hard to look at your bubbles when it's completely dark. And when you turn on your lights it will take some time to regain orientation once you've lost it. Especially at bigger depths. And maybe you lost boyancy while you tried to find out which way is up and it's already too late.

What i try to say is that the reasons for diving accidents may seem small from the surface. But they are big enough to kill you when you are down there.

[overseasmedia]

Samurailord: very true! So take care to be sure you are not :on your own" with the "abyss"

[EOSFiveMonkeys]

or you could just fart

[overseasmedia]

heckaman123 : You misunderstood Russian translation: his buddy s saying "they coud spot Andrey's movements only relying to his bubbles"...

[VpVanja]

I think the bubbles can tell you which way is up....0_0

[overseasmedia]

VpVanja: Sure. Whn you are not that "narced".

[alextheromanian]

a good ammount of nitrogen narcosis...and you pretty much think youre having the best time of your life while almost dying or you panic so bad you even pull the air out of your mouth to breathe water...

common sense such as bubbles always going up sadly do not apply

[VpVanja]

Yea, I didn't consider the narcoses

[AmazingCabbage]

This makes me scary. How can this happen?... the blue hole is curse of the man who all dive in the death of the divers before. The ghost of Yuri I think will have revenge!

[TomTIGER69]

wow!! That is absolutely a real mystery. I have dove shipwrecks alone, did stupid things and been ok but 100 divers. Yes you could say simple mistakes, but sounds like dimensional shifts, other events OUT of the ORDINARY causing not only DEATHS but DISAPPEARANCES!! I DID LOTS of DANGEROUS DIVING ALONE, MORE TO THIS BLUE HOLE than technical danger.

[scubazmei]

TomTIGER69, I think that was just another deep air dive. It normally happens to people diving deep air.

[TomTIGER69]

yes the narcosis must be extreme and other air problems at those depths thanks even jock Cousteau think said after a very deep dive on air he wouldn't do it again thanks

[overseasmedia]

TomTIGER69: I wouldn't do it again either!

[oneiropagides]

CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHERE I CAN FIND THE WHOLE DOCUMENTARY? "SACRED TRUTH"? Thanks!

[overseasmedia]

oneiropagides: Hi there, I can get you the DVD copy, please email me your postal address and phone number to elnkonstantinou@aolcom

Best, Elena Konstantinou

[ganzoontube]

Please I a need copy, I am going to do the blue hole this year, but freediving 50 meters.

[hollywoodartchick]

It was very chilling to hear his buddy talk about how well prepared they were for this dive. Over and over, when there is an accident, I hear divers claim that it had to be stupidity, lack of training, etc. I don't think we can write it all off that easily. Diving is risky. Deep diving is riskier. The Blue Hole is too risky for me.

[overseasmedia]

hollywoodartchick: That's what the film is all about. This dive site is definitely for tech trained divers but to be a tech diver"is not enough to dive it safe. Deep air and solo dives killed over 100 people there. Andrey was diving deep air and he was separated with his buddies, that was a typical invitation for a disaster

[nockturnal13]

overseasmedia

this is the most interesting and sad thing i've seen in my life... do you know where i can get the whole documentary ??

[vidmaster75]

how they can do that it;s suicidal..!

[ernestridge]

My dutch friend doing a PADI open water course in Hurghada - Russian women instructor who fancied him took him down to 60m on his 4th dive

I'm sorry but stand at Travco in Sharm in the morning and watch the Russian tourist divers drinking beer and vodka just before they hit the boat and thats what I mean by VLADI divers

[overseasmedia]

ernestridge: That's really interesting! Did you watch our new doc. "The Idyinsyncrasies of Russian National diving"? I deleted the "drinking episode" from the film,and I awfully regret that I did... I'm Russian, but I couldn't believe in it, may be because I've never done it and never seen anyone around me who did drink before the dive..

[overseasmedia]

ernestridge: But I want that episode back, I've been told several times that Russian do drink vodka straight before their dives...! I just couldn't believe it. Dr Adel Tahir also mentioned it in his interview!

[scubazmei]

I know the Russians drink vodka before their dives and after their dives for sure!!!!

[BabelFilm]

I have seen it on several occasions. Oh, and anybody who have ever worked in the dive industry kvows that the Russian divers are the worst, most inconsiderate, destructive divers ever.

[overseasmedia]

BabelFilm #5: So he learned "that was OK to to dive deep on air within a week, than you get "use to N2" so you can "stretch the limits". Like I did a long time ago and many others. E.g. right now I am diving trimix below 30 m and I have a different mentality that I used to have since I had the classes with GUE. There is NO way I'll do the same mistakes, like Andrey and his buddy did. And believe me I was in a very similar situation when I had my accident in Blue Hole.

[overseasmedia]

BabelFilm #9 About Russian Divers: I would recommend you to watch my latest documentary: the "Idiosyncrasies of Russian National Diving" on youtube. I'm Russian. And being "a good diver" has nothing to do with diver's with "nationality", E.g.the Russian divers trained by GUE are much better divers than many divers of different "nationalities", disregarding whether they "work in dive industry" or not.

[scubazmei]

babelfilm, lots of them really are sestructive but many of them are pretty nice.

[ernestridge]

Basics of post war military diving that was particularly well cascaded in UK through BSAC and only some other european orgs at the time - buddys don't swim at limit of visibility and when in doubt use a line(s)accordingly the reason DIR has come about is because of the the PADI non club vacation diving syndrome, and regrettably with Russians what I call the VLADI syndrome (some divers best in world too many of rest are unacceptably dangerous and cowboy)

[GOneScUBa]

its outrageous how some divers teach and perform air dives at 100 m or more then advertise/brag about it. :(

Ironic as it seems, they indeed practice what they preach! and live to tell!

It helps to do research on dive instructors and facilities prior to engaging in dive courses.

Bad weather + poor visibility = NO dive.

Thanks for this overseasmedia.

[overseasmedia]

GOneScUBA:#1 Thank you very much once again for your comment! About Andrey's dive I can only say what I learned from his buddy: they had 2 different dive plans: smth like 78 m for 15min for Andrey and his buddy planned 60 m for 20 min(he was less experienced) There was one more guy (Egyptian Instructor or a dive master) who was supposed to guide the guys through the Arch...

[overseasmedia]

GOneScUBA:#2 The Egyptian guide and Andrey's buddy stayed between 50-60 m deep and Andrey went deeper.(76 + m?) You know the rest of the story, bad vis., Andrey was lost and his ody was never found. The most weird thing is that the guys were supposed to leave to Moscow the next day, that was there first dive in the BH (for me sounds exaclty like Yuri L.'s story!)

[GOneScUBa]

The mystery of the "unknown" seems to draw divers to that place. I feel sad for the families of those divers who passed away. I could only imagine that last breath... last thought... what were they thinking. the wives, husbands, children, siblings, parents waiting for their SAFE return.

it all boils down to bad choices. You are helping alot of young new divers like me by sharing this documentary Elena! My friends and i appreciate it ALOT!

[GOneScUBa]

"I feel sad for the families of those divers who passed away."

sorry, what i meant was, the divers who passed away- I sympathize w/ their families who's lives will never be quite the same without them. loosing a loved one is heartbreaking. I guess we all comprehend death for the first time when it puts its hands on the ones we love dearly.

[Buceoloco]

2nd try: Hi Overseasmedia. Yes, you do make a point. Still, I think an experienced buddy team cancles the plan for such a dive when they note that visibility is much poorer than expected. At the very least, they should stuck together closely. Diving on trimix is not a life insurance, especially if you cannot directly ascend to the surface (like in the Blue Hole), no matter what´s the maximum depth

in your logbook (this does not prove "experience" or "professional diver", anyway).

[overseasmedia]

Buceoloco: I completely agree with you.That's why I made that documentary. They should have cancelled the dive but they didn't cancel it. Everyone who died in the BH (or anywhere esle) should have cancelled their dives t be honest with you. If everyone thinks the same way like you do, there would be no accidents.

[overseasmedia]

Buceoloco, I agree with you. That's what they should do, but that's what they don't do for some reason. I blame the training agencies (systems) on teaching the divers to dive "deep air" and on allowing the "solo dives" months ago an Israeli (tmx) diver died in BH. Solo dive. These guys (Andrey and his buddy) were supposed to be "buddies", in fact they were not. Because they got separated underwater, and that should have happened.

[BabelFilm]

The agencies dont teach diver to dive deep on air. But there are a lot of "cowboys" attracted to diving, who dont care. When the Israelis were occupying Sinai, it was apparently considered a test of your manhood among the IDF soldiers, to do the Arch on air. At least according to a retired IDF officer I met in Eilat some years ago. Actually it is forbidden to dive deeper than 30 meters in Egypt, unless you are a trained mixed gas tech diver.

[overseasmedia]

BabelFilm:#1 In fact the agencies DO TEACH TO DIVE DEEP ON AIR. I was trained by TDI, all my TDI instructors were and some still are deep air divers. I was trained to dive down to 60 m for 20 minutes (Extended Range class, (ER) within the course and dove on air on a regular basis with TDI course directors , i.e. did my 111 meters air dive (one hundred and eleven meters) with my instructor. That time an "Instructor" represented a "dive training system" for me.

[overseasmedia]

BabelFilm#2 so for me that was "a training agency" (TDI) that was promoting deep air dives if they agency didn't support that "idea" they would have desqualified those instructors. The same is related to SDI, SSI, IANTD, etc. Hall Watts (PSI agency) - deep air diving agency. It literally teaches you to dive "deep on air".

[overseasmedia]

So when we say there is the limit for 30 m in regards of air diving we mostly mean "a recreational" (one tank) diving. In tech diving (diving on mixed gases) they use 30 m as an "Equivalent Narcotic Depth" to calculate an optimal gas mix for a deep dive. BabelFilm #3 In other words, diving 100 m deep on mixed gases you're "narced" as if you are at 30 m. deep (i.e. much less!)

[overseasmedia]

BabelFilm #4 But this is " in theory", on practice TDI (a leading tech diving agency!) teaches that you "can tolerate N2" (or you can "adapt to N2 narcosis")that's an accomplished bullshit in accordence with the latest scientific research there is no way to "become imune" to the impact of nitrogen. Andrey Nikitin is not Israeli. He was Russian lawyer and a certified advanced tri mix TDI diver.

[overseasmedia]

BabelFilm #7 Anyway, the deep air was ONE of the problems that caused Andrey's death. Another BIG problem was his "solo dive". I don't mention it in the film but I KNOW that Andrey and his buddy had different "dive plans" that means they were supposed to "separate" during their dive, that ultimately killed him. BTW it's also something that unfortunately you're encouraged to do by TDI.

[overseasmedia]

BabelFilm #7 In other words that was Andrey's insufficient dive training that caused the fatal accident. So this is TDI that should be blamed. Sorry for the long email, I hope I made sense.

[Buceoloco]

Somebody who calls a technical dive to 60 meters "a walk in the park, easy, not dangerous" is NOT experienced, whatever certificate he or she may have. Russians, by the way, are over-represented in such fatal diving accidents. I know quite a few diving centers that do not accept Russians, for good reasons.

[overseasmedia]

Hi there, Andrey didn't consider the 60 m dive in the BH as "a walk in the park", that was just the way he explained it to his wife, so she wouldn't worry about that dive, he spent a week diving in Sharm down to 120 m on tmx. That was not what he "thought", that was just what he said to his wife. Did I make a sense?

[overseasmedia]

Buceoloco: Sorry!!! I have just lost your comment, (I assume that I pressed the "remove" instead of "reply" by mistake!) could you send it to me once again please? You were talking aout trimix dives and thay he should have cancelled the dive..Thanks a lot, and sorry once again

[overseasmedia]

Don't also forget that those guys were trained by TDI, does TDI teach you "the team work skills"? You may say: "that's something obvious and every wise diver should know the importance of the team work ", but I disagree with you, because unfortunately, if that was obvious for "mindful divers" they wouldn't do these mistakes!