Yeah, perhaps you're right. I have never been for gay marriage myself, even though I'm gay. I know, it makes me seem like a hypocrite. I hope that I'm not. Maybe I buy into the religious thing too much. I respect you for standing up for what you believe. It is sad that you had something and now it's gone. I see how that would be infuriating. ;)
I know you're upset about this. But, it is a non-issue. I don't think this law should be focused on until everyone can say they have a roof over their head and enough food to eat. It's not as though they made it illegal to be gay. Like your videos. And you're a cutie. Good luck.
@eklera I get what you're saying, but I don't think something becomes a non-issue just because there may be other issues that are bigger. Anyway, thanks for the thought provoking comment and for watching - and aw shucks thank you for that last part, too.
everybody deserves the same rights as everybody else what if the people that are straight how they pass judgement on people that are gay .what if god comes down and what are you going to do if god passes judgement on you on how you treat people.what if god tells you how dare you judge my children i love everybody then what would you do
everybody deserves the same rights as everybody else what if the people that are straight how they pass judgement on people that are gay .what if god comes down and what are you going to do if god passes judgement on you on how you treat people
well i donlt agree with prop 8 either you should be allowwed to marry who ever you please god loves everyone of his children that is why he gave everybody free will
So you're asking for equality when you're wishing there was a law to take the Latinos out of California? What's the matter? Latin men don't want to bang you or what? i can see why now. Quit whining like a little bitch be a man!
People, you need see both sides of this. By banning gay marriage you're taking away people's right. However by allowing gays to marry then your taking away the rights of people who think marriage should be between a man and a woman. No one is right on either side. Deal with it.
I'm "immature" because you're completely WRONG? Yeah, okay. THAT makes complete sense.
And just how are you WRONG? Because, if two gay people were to become married, it DOES NOT affect the "rights" of people who are bigoted morons, who, since they choose to hate and persecute instead of using decency and sense, give up any rights to a real opinion about such issues, plain and simple.
And if stating my thoughts in this manner is "immature" to you, you obviously have no idea what that means.
And the immaturity continues. Grow up. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Gay people and straight people. And for you to sit here say that someone is wrong just because they don't agree with you, or has a different opinion is a prime example of immaturity. Grow up. The prop was passed.
I agree. Why do people care so much if gays want to get married. Hell, I'm not gay. And I hate the idea of marriage. So if they want to be together with one person for the rest of their lives, why not?
o and yeah america is about equality 4 EVERYONE if its against ur religon ummm religon dosent rule everyone ....ur religin is not my religin deal with it
dude i totaly agree wit this guy.umm how dare you people take other peoples rights away... skrew you grow up and get over you u stupid looser...do u get that america is all about EQUALITY???
Let me get this straight...You are for gay marriage, and for abortions, and in the same breathe talk about it is wrong to hate? YOU ARE REALLY SCREWED UP IN THE HEAD!!!!
Re: omo729 Haven't you heard what homophobes say? Calling us Fgts and Cksckrs? I'm not from California but this young man here is facing legal instability, one day he has a right to choose and the next day he doesn't. I'm sure you're smart enough to understand this. Again, I'm from Puerto Rico, not from California but I can empathize. So peace and vete al carajo.
I was actually going to give you props for posting a response that was better than "fuck you," but then I got to the end of your clip. Now I'm really glad 8 passed. BTW, you just demonstrated that your all hypocrites as you say you want tolerance but throw out insults and profanity when someone disagrees with you. Typical.
That's exactly what I was saying! How can people sit here and say someone is wrong just because they have a difference of opinion. That's completely immature and unnecessary.
Do you believe that God Almighty Omnipotent and Omniscent?
Do you believe in absolutes?
The Word of God became Flesh and dwelt among men and His name is Jesus Christ the Son of God. Do you believe that?
Christ told His disciples in the Book of John(Chapter 20-21) "More blessed are those who believe in Me and haven't seen than those who believe and have seen."
Do you believe this or do you go by worldly wisdom.
Satan or Lucifer called out and challenged God Almighty.
He took 1/3 of the angelic beings with him(Satan) and thats why this world is backwards into sin.
Sin has blinded the human race from knowing God and relating to Him.
But Christ broke that blindness but its up to us to seek the Lord or stay blinded. Christ is the Light of the World but the human race loves darkness. Get back at me.
He's correct. It is what's written in the bible, madrecka. But the faith in God grows spiritually, if its true. Don't force the words or perspectives onto people, hoping to be credited to what you believe is true.
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If proposition 8 gets overturned my fucking $223 I've donated to prop 8 would go to waste. Stupid fucking liberals. It feels like someone has taken money out of my pocket. I fucking hate those judges.
You actually SPENT MONEY on that bullshit? You were actually that fucking stupid? THIS is why we can't have nice things around here. Go die in a fire now, retard.
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Fuck the queers. Seriously. There is not a day that goes by that I don't wish that someone would bomb san fran. to the ground. There is also not a day that goes by that I wish that fags would break into my house just so that I could kill them legally. I would say that the only thing worse than fags are blacks and gangs. But at least back in the day the blacks were actually used for something. Fags? What have they done of value.
And there's not a day that goes by that I wish that every intolerant fucking asshole like you would all commit suicide, since you're all going straight to Hell anyway, and save the rest of us who have decency, brains, and common sense the fucking trouble. Matter of fact, I hope you fucking go do it NOW, as soon as you're finished reading this, have your mother record it, and upload here, so that way, I can watch it over and over, and laugh my fat ass off, you dumb bastard.
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Hey fag. Why don't you be the one who stops being a coward and come over to California and kill me yourself? It's funny that retarded fags love to say that we are going to go to hell for hating them, when if they read the Bible they would know that (besides the fact that being gay is wrong) they should forgive people for what is done to them.
First of all, I'm not a fag, you stupid son of a bitch. I'm just not an intolerant fucktarded assbag, like your retarded ass. Also, the Bible has been too corrupted by the hands of man to be considered the absolute anymore, you fucking dumbass, and in fact, even in the context in which it's written, it's still clearly simply the thoughts of a human being, and not the written word of God, in the situations presented.
THANK YOU. The bible has been edited soooooo many freaking times to suit the needs and purposes of people in power throughout the ages that it can hardly be called reliable source material. I wish people would just gtfo with that "gays are unnatural and burning in Hellfire" nonsense. I'm straight, but I can understand that not everybody loves of thinks the same way as me and there's nothing wrong with that.
You're welcome. And it just frustrates me that there are so many intolerant morons out there, who use that Bible simply as a tool for hate and self-service, and not what it was intended for, no matter how it's been edited in it's thousands of years of existence: A source of love, peace, and understanding.
And I do apologize for the cursing, if it offends you or anyone else, but I just can't stand unfounded idiocy and intolerance towards people for negligible things, and I tend to just go off.
And you're asking me all of this, and apparently think you know what you're talking about, but you can't understand and use proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation that 2 year old mentally stunted kids can understand and use? Uh, yeah, the answer that I would give you? You obviously wouldn't understand it the slightest bit whatsoever.
I guess actually doing something known as READING THE FUCKING BIBLE would do some wonders for actually understanding the fucking thing, you retarded bastard. But, since that requires two things called INTELLIGENCE and COMMON SENSE, there's no fucking way your stupid ass would ever do anything remotely close to being that intelligent.
And, why go to California to kill you, and waste the time and money to do something that wouldn't even be worth my much more precious time, retard?
What a minute... HUH? Where the hell did you get anything about racism from this comment that I wrote 8 FREAKIN' MONTHS AGO AND FORGOT ABOUT? Either you're really grasping at straws, or you're completely fucking retarded. I'm leaning towards the latter myself...
totally agree....the more i think of this issue the more my blood boils. I am a straight male who lives in Texas. Knowing California does lead the civil rights battle, It enrages me that the most liberal state voters have voted for prop 8. I will do all I can in my lifetime to stop this inequality of human rights.
Honestly: I think the vote was fucked up. I find homosexuality very odd and may always feel that way..BUT I did vote NO because it seems like such a violation of one's personal way of life. Give it time, you'll have your day. Peace.
I think that the human race, today, are always competitive to fight and unravel the things that really.. "don't need to be fought". All they're doing is trying to make what seems to be impossible - possible. Even if it's "so" fucking pointless...
DO we really need to make things "harder" than they are already? Sperm Banks? Sperm Donations? Seriously.... I'm a getting a little fucking pissed off. -___-"
If a man can't fuck another man to procreate life... and if a woman can't fuck a woman to procreate life. It's "logical" that man goes to woman because they CAN fuck and procreate life =] easy as that.
It's not a claim, not a remark. Not an opinion. It's a FAT FACT
Listen... we understand that you may have someone of the same sex that you "love". But if it's only about love, then don't isolate yourself from women, otherwise you're the one shouting out that it's all about "sexual attention". Seems pretty obvious...
In a nutshell, I think the way of homosexuality is just obnoxious. One, because its basically being dependant on the side of being subjective and reliant to the heterosexual side. (So if there's going to be homosexuals, there MUST be heterosexuals to provide the "con" side of Prop 8.) Secondly, imagine a world if it were lucidly "gay". I know it's "unlikely", but lets not get pragmatic for our own sake.
I can agree that there's nothing that one gender can do the other gender can't, in a physical, viable, matter. (I wasn't gloating a remark to confirm that homosexuality is "wrong" or "right". All I've only expounded the fact that homosexuality is not just innate. But, it infringes the boundaries of the human genetics.
So, I asked you to explain why you think it was wrong and you tell me it's because you think it's obnoxious (do realize how small of a fraction that stereotype represents?) and also because it is sexually impossible to procreate?
Yes, it is impossible for homosexuals to sexually reproduce and so we have to turn to either adoption or a donor. Much like heterosexual couples who are also incapable of sexual reproduction. You speak as though this is fouler than all the bullshit that has ever come out of your mouth. No one is forcing you to participate in sperm banks so get over it.
valkyrieWarrior08.... turn to either adoption or donor? Maybe I get the adoption part... but the donor? I wanna' know how this would look like when it requires sperm donations. What do ya' do... you ask someone's permission for their sperm? Someone volunteers to donate their own sperm to "anybody"? When you look at that, with or without context, you tell me if it's not "obnoxious". =\
If the couple were to choose a donor then it wouldn't be just "anybody," in which case I cannot see why it could be unpleasant or disagreeable. The only obnoxious thing about it is the fact that adaption agencies are making it extremely difficult for any couple to adopt, almost as if they don't want the parent-less heterosexual offsprings to be adopted. Now that is obnoxious.
And for the sperm donation proposal, just imagine if we were living thousands of years back, when we wouldn't have the technologies we use today to execute this "donation". So now our aphorism somehow turns out to be "lets wait until it's possible"?
Of course not! A thousand years before today, we'd all probably be vanished; extinct. But since it's now possible, is it no obnoxious to lead ourselves to a pro life? Just take advantage of everything?
It's dicey, muddled, and poorly thought out. And when you look at it from a conservative standpoint, it's not only brought out by dutiful aspects, but "that's" what came first, that's how it always was before our modern world. Why? Because of technology. That's why I say it isn't "natural".
But you see... you use technology to interfere the human genetics and anatomy. That's the part that gets me mad, and that's why I say it's obnoxious. Because we're putting "in" what doesn't belong..... within our bodies. You can't just take a needle that's patent with sperm and inject it within a female. You just can't do that without calling it unnatural and obnoxious... I just don't see why it's ethical.
And having it that it isn't ethical regardless of "what" standpoint anyone is in within this matter. I don't see why we should be doing it. I don't see why it's healthy... and I don't see a successful, permissible, future/world for homosexuality. "even if it's possible", it isn't moral.
if we were all to live "naturally" then this very argument would not be taking place seeing as how the internet and computer tampers with the natural world. There are so many things we wouldn't have naturally, but we do.
I don't know what kind of world you're living in that naturally allows you to think this way.
I suppose it is more natural, more intended for a baby to be conceived via penis&vagina sex, but seeing as how homosexuals lack one of the two magical pieces sexually, tell me, how would you create life? We can't. Now how would you go about solving that?
There in nothing genetically-alternating or anatomically-mutating about a sperm fertilizing an egg (well, aside from fertilization that is). It is as good as any other pregnancy.
It's unnatural for you because pregnancy to you is only achieved through a penis-vaginal contact. And it's obnoxious for you because you were raised to see it as unnatural.
In our world today, a penis-vagina fuck is just one of many ways to create another life.
So then I guess it was pointless to have penises from the start. On second thought, if you're an evolutionist, it's more likely for you to believe in the derivation of both male and female gender to come from a single organism that can procreate life in and from itself. If this is true, then Question: "Why did it so happen that this single prolific organism evolve, 'surprisingly', into two different species that are needed to bond to progress in procreating life?"
Instead of human beings having no vagina and no penis... yet is "somehow" still able to generate from in and of itself. Was there any need for penises..... and vagina...?
Of course it's "natural" for penis + vagina fucking. It's flesh and flesh. Not metallic and synthetics. I think you seriously need some closure into this fact of life. What kind of "natural" are YOU talking about? The exception of our modern day transcendent reality? Or microbiotic?
Anal is flesh and flesh and tribadism is flesh to flesh. There is nothing metallic nor synthetic about it.
And here you show just how highly you think of heterosexual sex by saying the words metallic and synthetics. Why do you assume that lesbians required a penis-like-shape or penis-like stimulation to have sex?
Fact: Woman orgasm with clitoral stimulation. Men's G-Spot is a piece of very sensitive flesh located near their anus.
If mankind comes to a plan to be able to procreate life through anal sex, you let me know.
And if you're talking about lesbians, you tell me what they "need" to produce life. This isn't about "sex". It's a matter of how mankind can continue to propagate throughout life through what has already been "given"; penis, vagina.
Personally I just don't think that, by using technology, it gives us the right to change our way of living. Especially by means of impeding the natural laws of reproduction.
While we are on the topic, this wasn't about how to continue the next generation either.
It's a matter of how other people feel differently as you do.The fact of the matter is that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. It is as natural as the air we breath.
And of course we have the right to change the way we live. We have been changing the way we live for as long as anyone can tell.The laws of reproduction, a sperm fertilizing an egg, remains intact and unchanged. Only methods change.
We are not forcing you to become a homosexual and "doom" the next generation, but you treat us like we do. Be heterosexual and make babies naturally all you want, but don't take away any of my rights simply because how I do things pisses you off.
It is unfair, it violates my rights as a human being, and quite frankly you're just being a douche bag for ensuring further misery in other's lives.
I refuse to argue with you on this anymore because I know I cannot change your mind.
But thanks for finally clearing up why you think it's wrong even though your reason was only one and of little relevance to homosexuals since we do not follow the anatomy.
You still never answered valkyrie's question. I'd love to know your reason also. Although it is madness, there must be a method to it! What is that method?
Marriage is marriage regardless if it was "homo" or "hetero" so there is no need separate them. I would want to get married to the person I love because it is one of the most intimate and personal connection and it tells everyone that you two love each other and that you want to be together for as long as possible. Why not get married if you are in love?
It is not fair for anyone to take marriage away from others
It looks as though you are just after a ceremony for validation so you can have a "picture" session and have everyone believe you are a "normal" couple...
A piece of paper does not make your relationship "the most intimate and personal connection"... The couple does...
You have been duped... why are you listening to the government's view on what makes you happy??
It's different for everyone, for me it's to show my love for the other person. The point is marriage should not be restricted to heterosexual couples because they are not the only one wanting to get married.
I think it's wrong to be gay, period. I've got tons of reasons to describe why.... >_____> but you need to do me the decency of not showing your face on youtube ever again. Pinkie promise? =T
But I'll tell you what. Lemme' tell you something about "moving forward" in life. You don't move on in life when you gradually depend on women who procreate life, and who have an ordinary family. Fuck me for wanting to save the earth from its illness? What more do homosexuals want to gloat about? How it's not fair that the male body simply cannot adhere and procreate life? And that you get sick when you try?
What is this illness that you speak of, hatred, discrimination, these are the only illnesses I see here! We're not too worried about procreating; there are already too many kids that need to be adopted as it is, and you have the nerve to speak about procreation?!! Are you against gays adopting as well? I wonder who else is going to do it, since straight couples are obviously so compelled to procreate.
Haha, I love when the right wing uses the "traditional values" argument. Why don't they take a look at the constitution, besides the second amendment. Secularism and equality are fundamentals of the constitution. Prop 8 should have never passed. Gays are fighting for the right to civil marriage, not religious marriage. Most people are too ignorant to know the difference. By the way, civil unions aren't even close to the same as civil marriage; look it up before you mention it idiots.
That's sad this country is in that kind of subject, I just think this is ridiculous. Rights that people someday won are now taking away??? Seems like this country is going backwards instead of forward. Let's make the prop 9 t against rights black people got and go back to slavery and segregation, prop 10 against rights for women to vote and work, prop 11 against rights children have, props against any other rights 'd make this country a civilized, smart and tolerant one.
Not saying that isn't california law. But it is funny that the courts didn't strike it down before we even voted on it. It was on the ballot for how long? and no lawyer or judge said a word. And what is funny that even if the legislature did decide on the will of the people, there would be complaints there too.
They DID, you fucking idiot, when they overturned the SAME proposition in Prop 22; you 'tards just won't take no for an answer though! No one brought it up while it was on the ballot because they were SURE it would fail; it didn't however because of all the crap the Mormons put into their campaign and because of the much larger voter-turn out inspired by Obama. (Continued in next message.)
OF COURSE there'd be complaints, too, only THOSE wouldn't have any legal justification; if those people don't have enough maturity to restrain personal gratification when it goes against specific societal rules, OF COURSE they would complain!
And even try to fucking say, "Even if the legislature did decide on the will of the people". It's the legislature's FUCKING JOB in this case; you, by California law, CANNOT approve an amendment, which, again, Prop 8 IS, as it refers back to a proposition only first made in Prop 22, WITHOUT legislative approval, so PLEASE don't act put upon. You have a fucking problem with the way one of the United States is run?? MOVE TO ANOTHER or go buy a fucking island then and restart the Puritan community!
Hey why don't you go to an island and start your own fag community. Then in about 50 years when you don't reproduce you will all be dead and we won't be bothered by you any more.
Besides you have your civil unions be done with it. Go after all the other states that voted against it. In fact why does no one bring up that EVERY time it is voted on, people vote NO on gay marriage. Sorry but the majority of Americans, not just Californians vote against gay marriage.
It's not your decision to make. I mean that legally also; Prop 8 refers back to the proposition made in Prop 22, the first to try to redefine marriage as between a man and a woman. Therefore, Prop 8 is an amendment, and, according to CALIFORNIA law, an amendment must be approved by the legislature, which Prop 8 wasn't. Don't fucking tell me to be happy with a civil union; if someone like YOU is happy with it, you obviously see the difference for yourself!
A new kind of marriage should be available in the u.s. that is not supported by any religious means. I am not Christian and I don't believe in a "God", therefore I'm not going to get married! Therefore, I have no right to see my partner when she becomes deathly ill! I'm sorry but I can't believe that gay Christians expect to get married under a "mythological God" who's book is against homosexuality. Fuck Christianity! Who needs it! We need a marriage under u.s. law, not the church!
Yes how dare us vote for what we believe in. Hell you know what, put the Bible aside, it is against evolution. Because if being gay were right then that is how we would have kids.
YOU should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to legalize something both so ethically and morally wrong. forcing millions of people to pay for your deviant action is unfair and messed up.
ethically wrong because it's not normal. marriage is highly recognized as between a man and a woman only so gay marriage is just disturbing and not right. morally wrong because people with christian morals follow God's teachings that acting upon homosexuality is sinful and wrong.
Well, seeing as how ethics ARE the study of morals, you then mean to say you believe it's not normal because of your preconditioned religious views. ...Or what? Anyway, tell me where did God get this knowledge of homosexuality's sinfulness?
it's not normal AND wrong because of my (and millions of other people's) religous views and ALSO because it's a deviant behavior. a lot of people who are atheists and don't even believe in God voted yes just because it's not right and it takes away the true meaning of marriage. God didn't get the knowledge from anyone or anything. He got it from Himself because He created the knowledge.
So it's not normal and wrong because you say it is? Oh! Okay! Fine with me then! All you're doing by saying it's a deviant behavior is repeating yourself, not answering my question. How do you know why other people with DIFFERENT beliefs voted? Don't apply your reasoning to them; as you implied, you both come from very different belief systems. And, by the way, no matter what you read or who preaches it to you, you'll never know where God got the knowledge; I was being rhetorical.
it's not normal and wrong because of either religious beliefs or ethically reasons of the people. what other reason would it be? God always was and always will be. He's the creator of the world, therefore the creator of everything else.
It has absolutely nothing to do with truth. You, whether you know it or not, admitted yourself QUITE a few times your position is based solely in belief; the only problem is people can BELIEVE whatever they like. There's absolutely no critical thought behind your position--all it is with you is God and OTHER people's beliefs. What makes what either says true? What do you KNOW that makes what either says true??
it's factual that homosexuality is abnormal and disturbing to many people. it's also factual that it's against many people's religious morals. therefore, it shouldn't be legalized. and besides, i thought you were gonna stop arguing with me.
I wasn't gonna leave when you tried to dictate my opinions, thank you! You're still just repeating yourself; your ONLY support is people's beliefs. I would be perfectly willing to consider these beliefs if only the supports for these beliefs weren't based on something as painfully subjective as personal dispositions; give me facts, then I'll take you seriously! The beliefs you're talking about ARE nothing but personal dispositions, a type of passion--"the law is reason free from passion."
God, you're an idiot; because that would go against the principle that "the law is reason free from passion"...? I'm glad you see murder and rape as akin to gay rights though, X-D!!
it doesn't matter the extent of how bad murder and rape are compared to homosexuality. they're both seen as both wrong and sinful acts among many people no matter how you look at it.
Great, now you're back to the point at which you started! Just because homosexuality is PERCEIVED--again, no critical thought, just primative gut reactions--to be wrong and sinful by other people and you happen to agree with them, I should shut up?? I don't care if the approval of gay marriage makes you people squeamish!! DEAL WITH IT, just as you're asking me to do! Why do you keep correlating homosexuality to rape and murder of all things anyway?
Anyway, getting back to your spin on "the law is reason free from passion," you people broke that principle first when you acted on your passion and banned gay marriage in California back in 2000, so, logically, you can't really attack us that much for be passionate about the issue after that. (Continued in next message.)
And that brings me to another point; it's been brought to my attention that, if Prop 8 is viewed as a revision by the California Supreme Court, then it'll stay, but if it's viewed as an amendment, then it's overturned, as amendments must be passed by the legislature. And the fact is Prop 8 ultimately refers back to the 2000 proposition, Prop 22, as Prop 8 is intended to overturn the legalization of gay marriage AFTER Prop 22. (Continued in next message.)
I can't see how it's not safe to say Prop 22 was an amendment, as it was the first time gay marriage was specified in the California constitution. So, therefore, the California Supreme Court overturning Prop 22 and legalizing gay marriage was perfectly legal, as the amendment needed approval by the legislature before it became legal itself. Prop 8 is unconstitutional as the original Prop 22 still needed legislative approval. It's not over.
it should be over though. the people already voted. so all you gays and lesbians seriously need to just shut your mouths and stop throwing it in our faces. learn to deal.
You don't decide when it's a legislative issue! Who does? The legislature!! Go figure!! What about it don't you understand? Prop 22 was an amendment as it was first to specify the defition of marriage in California, but, as an amendment, it needed legislative approval, so, therefore, the California Supreme Court overturned it, and now all the people who voted yes on Prop 8 are going against the American legal system as Prop 8 refers back to the proposition made in Prop 22.... Oops!
I can't believe you try to use the "law-is-reason-free-from-passion" argument against me when your side is so blatantly throwing out the rule-book on which this country's legal system was based just for the sake of your petty feelings, then you tell ME to learn to deal; you fucking learn to deal with the legal system to which the ENTIRE United States is subjected. Is that so hard for you?
"murder and rape is done out of passion and is wrong. just like homosexuality. period." Oh, really?? You didn't try to use that argument of mine?? And you're obviously not happy, as you're not most likely "morally" and "ethically" satisfied with how the legal situation of this issue might easily turn out: "it should be over though."
You were just as mad before; you just have your selfish little way now. Anyway, my point with that quote is YOUR side was the first to actually try to take legal action (again, based on your own petty feelings) with issue (Prop 22), so it's EXTREMELY hypocritical of you to turn the tables on us and now claim we're the ONLY ones in this battle who've acted like that; at least, with us, it's justified because your side initially broke that standard. What's your excuse??
so what if we tried to take legal action? it's the RIGHT thing to do. homosexuality should NOT be legalized. the world is just slowly falling apart and gradually becoming more and more accepting of bad things. homosexuality being one of them.
I'm glad you've made NO progress and are now back to just repeating your original point without support again; that's what I hoped my last response would have you end up doing actually. Anyway, what exactly would happen if gay marriage were legalized?
i already explained myself for why gay marriage shouldn't be legalized. and if it were legalized, it would be a complete slap in the face to straight people by taking away the beauty of marriage being only between a man and a woman, teach children that homosexuality is ok, and lead america to accepting more and more abnormal and wrong things.
You're reasoning wasn't valid; it had to solid legs on which to stand. It wouldn't be a slap from gay people and their supports necessarily to straight people who oppose gay marriage; it would be those straight people THINKING they just got slapped in the face by gay people and their supports when really they just need to "shut their mouths and deal" with something that doesn't even indirectly affect them as long as they have the mental capacity to realize that. (Continued in next message.)
With all that said, as I've asked you so many time and as you've still not put forth a fact-based support for your beliefs, what's your basis for saying it's abnormal and wrong? Almost all of the straight people I know are absolutely disgusted by Prop 8 by the way.
maybe all the straight people YOU know. but isn't it pretty obvious that the majority of EVERYONE is more disgusted by the thought of legalizing gay marriage since it passed?
Yeah, perhaps you're right. I have never been for gay marriage myself, even though I'm gay. I know, it makes me seem like a hypocrite. I hope that I'm not. Maybe I buy into the religious thing too much. I respect you for standing up for what you believe. It is sad that you had something and now it's gone. I see how that would be infuriating. ;)
eklera 1 month ago
I know you're upset about this. But, it is a non-issue. I don't think this law should be focused on until everyone can say they have a roof over their head and enough food to eat. It's not as though they made it illegal to be gay. Like your videos. And you're a cutie. Good luck.
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@eklera I get what you're saying, but I don't think something becomes a non-issue just because there may be other issues that are bigger. Anyway, thanks for the thought provoking comment and for watching - and aw shucks thank you for that last part, too.
hellohappytime 1 month ago
The people quoting bible verses make me want to stab random kittens in the throats.
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everybody deserves the same rights as everybody else what if the people that are straight how they pass judgement on people that are gay .what if god comes down and what are you going to do if god passes judgement on you on how you treat people.what if god tells you how dare you judge my children i love everybody then what would you do
lacroix32911 7 months ago
everybody deserves the same rights as everybody else what if the people that are straight how they pass judgement on people that are gay .what if god comes down and what are you going to do if god passes judgement on you on how you treat people
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lacroix32911 7 months ago
well i donlt agree with prop 8 either you should be allowwed to marry who ever you please god loves everyone of his children that is why he gave everybody free will
lacroix32911 7 months ago
equal rights to all.
down with racism.
gay marriage all the way :}
red greetings
sauron170 1 year ago
don't be gay, you'll have rights and americans are not sissies
90thefallen 1 year ago
@90thefallen yeah because its that simple
idaman12345 1 year ago
I'm sorry gay marriage cannot work in California because God hates gay people and they are not real people. (sarcasm)
UMAnnArbor2 1 year ago
So you're asking for equality when you're wishing there was a law to take the Latinos out of California? What's the matter? Latin men don't want to bang you or what? i can see why now. Quit whining like a little bitch be a man!
amorhombre 1 year ago
@amorhombre What? I'm not sure how you got that. In fact, my grandfather immigrated to California from Mexico. So, yeah...
hellohappytime 1 year ago
I found a pussy!
IHABC8 11 months ago
thats america for you
doomsday800 2 years ago
People, you need see both sides of this. By banning gay marriage you're taking away people's right. However by allowing gays to marry then your taking away the rights of people who think marriage should be between a man and a woman. No one is right on either side. Deal with it.
sessakag 2 years ago
WRONG. Completely and utterly WRONG.
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago
Like I said, right or wrong, the prop has been passed. And no amount of immaturity on your part will change that. Deal with it.
sessakag 2 years ago
I'm "immature" because you're completely WRONG? Yeah, okay. THAT makes complete sense.
And just how are you WRONG? Because, if two gay people were to become married, it DOES NOT affect the "rights" of people who are bigoted morons, who, since they choose to hate and persecute instead of using decency and sense, give up any rights to a real opinion about such issues, plain and simple.
And if stating my thoughts in this manner is "immature" to you, you obviously have no idea what that means.
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago
And the immaturity continues. Grow up. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Gay people and straight people. And for you to sit here say that someone is wrong just because they don't agree with you, or has a different opinion is a prime example of immaturity. Grow up. The prop was passed.
Deal with it.
sessakag 2 years ago
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nomadicsky 2 years ago
Wow why would you say that?
rootyrock 2 years ago
Thanks for spreading the hate, mother fucker.
Keeah 2 years ago
I agree. Why do people care so much if gays want to get married. Hell, I'm not gay. And I hate the idea of marriage. So if they want to be together with one person for the rest of their lives, why not?
OH CUZ OF TEH BIBLEWHORES
Keeah 2 years ago
Catholic Vote 09
AdmiralThrawn000 2 years ago
The family must be strengthened not redefined
AdmiralThrawn000 2 years ago
how could we strengthen it.
rootyrock 2 years ago
o and yeah america is about equality 4 EVERYONE if its against ur religon ummm religon dosent rule everyone ....ur religin is not my religin deal with it
musicismylife219 2 years ago
dude i totaly agree wit this guy.umm how dare you people take other peoples rights away... skrew you grow up and get over you u stupid looser...do u get that america is all about EQUALITY???
musicismylife219 2 years ago
And homophobic losers like you should be band from America for causing non - freedom and prejudice to a "free" country.
morrowray9 2 years ago
Let me get this straight...You are for gay marriage, and for abortions, and in the same breathe talk about it is wrong to hate? YOU ARE REALLY SCREWED UP IN THE HEAD!!!!
rwmaynard219 2 years ago
Re: omo729 Haven't you heard what homophobes say? Calling us Fgts and Cksckrs? I'm not from California but this young man here is facing legal instability, one day he has a right to choose and the next day he doesn't. I'm sure you're smart enough to understand this. Again, I'm from Puerto Rico, not from California but I can empathize. So peace and vete al carajo.
muellerican 2 years ago
I was actually going to give you props for posting a response that was better than "fuck you," but then I got to the end of your clip. Now I'm really glad 8 passed. BTW, you just demonstrated that your all hypocrites as you say you want tolerance but throw out insults and profanity when someone disagrees with you. Typical.
omo729 2 years ago
That's exactly what I was saying! How can people sit here and say someone is wrong just because they have a difference of opinion. That's completely immature and unnecessary.
sessakag 2 years ago
Do you believe that God Almighty Omnipotent and Omniscent?
Do you believe in absolutes?
The Word of God became Flesh and dwelt among men and His name is Jesus Christ the Son of God. Do you believe that?
Christ told His disciples in the Book of John(Chapter 20-21) "More blessed are those who believe in Me and haven't seen than those who believe and have seen."
Do you believe this or do you go by worldly wisdom.
madrecka 2 years ago
No, I don't believe in your "god".
hellohappytime 2 years ago 3
Satan is the "god" of this world and its system.
Did you know that.
Satan or Lucifer called out and challenged God Almighty.
He took 1/3 of the angelic beings with him(Satan) and thats why this world is backwards into sin.
Sin has blinded the human race from knowing God and relating to Him.
But Christ broke that blindness but its up to us to seek the Lord or stay blinded. Christ is the Light of the World but the human race loves darkness. Get back at me.
madrecka 2 years ago
He's correct. It is what's written in the bible, madrecka. But the faith in God grows spiritually, if its true. Don't force the words or perspectives onto people, hoping to be credited to what you believe is true.
foolwicked 2 years ago
Because you're stupid.
That is all.
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago
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If proposition 8 gets overturned my fucking $223 I've donated to prop 8 would go to waste. Stupid fucking liberals. It feels like someone has taken money out of my pocket. I fucking hate those judges.
HotDlCK 3 years ago
You actually SPENT MONEY on that bullshit? You were actually that fucking stupid? THIS is why we can't have nice things around here. Go die in a fire now, retard.
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago
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Fuck the queers. Seriously. There is not a day that goes by that I don't wish that someone would bomb san fran. to the ground. There is also not a day that goes by that I wish that fags would break into my house just so that I could kill them legally. I would say that the only thing worse than fags are blacks and gangs. But at least back in the day the blacks were actually used for something. Fags? What have they done of value.
blackbatmatt30 2 years ago
And there's not a day that goes by that I wish that every intolerant fucking asshole like you would all commit suicide, since you're all going straight to Hell anyway, and save the rest of us who have decency, brains, and common sense the fucking trouble. Matter of fact, I hope you fucking go do it NOW, as soon as you're finished reading this, have your mother record it, and upload here, so that way, I can watch it over and over, and laugh my fat ass off, you dumb bastard.
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago 2
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Hey fag. Why don't you be the one who stops being a coward and come over to California and kill me yourself? It's funny that retarded fags love to say that we are going to go to hell for hating them, when if they read the Bible they would know that (besides the fact that being gay is wrong) they should forgive people for what is done to them.
blackbatmatt30 2 years ago
First of all, I'm not a fag, you stupid son of a bitch. I'm just not an intolerant fucktarded assbag, like your retarded ass. Also, the Bible has been too corrupted by the hands of man to be considered the absolute anymore, you fucking dumbass, and in fact, even in the context in which it's written, it's still clearly simply the thoughts of a human being, and not the written word of God, in the situations presented.
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago
THANK YOU. The bible has been edited soooooo many freaking times to suit the needs and purposes of people in power throughout the ages that it can hardly be called reliable source material. I wish people would just gtfo with that "gays are unnatural and burning in Hellfire" nonsense. I'm straight, but I can understand that not everybody loves of thinks the same way as me and there's nothing wrong with that.
GirlOfStrongOpinions 2 years ago
You're welcome. And it just frustrates me that there are so many intolerant morons out there, who use that Bible simply as a tool for hate and self-service, and not what it was intended for, no matter how it's been edited in it's thousands of years of existence: A source of love, peace, and understanding.
And I do apologize for the cursing, if it offends you or anyone else, but I just can't stand unfounded idiocy and intolerance towards people for negligible things, and I tend to just go off.
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago
What does the original bible say and what who edited Saintof pain?
There are many versions but they have the same meaning.
What chapters and verses were edited out of the original language.
Get back at me;
madrecka 2 years ago
And you're asking me all of this, and apparently think you know what you're talking about, but you can't understand and use proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation that 2 year old mentally stunted kids can understand and use? Uh, yeah, the answer that I would give you? You obviously wouldn't understand it the slightest bit whatsoever.
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago
I'll repeat myself with PROPER ENGLISH then since you couldn't my answer my question:
"What books or book of the original Bible(Hebrew Old Testament and Greek New Testament) that aren't in todays various versions of today's Bible?"
You obviously don't know thats why you attacked me about my grammer and word usage. Its ok though.
madrecka 2 years ago
I guess actually doing something known as READING THE FUCKING BIBLE would do some wonders for actually understanding the fucking thing, you retarded bastard. But, since that requires two things called INTELLIGENCE and COMMON SENSE, there's no fucking way your stupid ass would ever do anything remotely close to being that intelligent.
And, why go to California to kill you, and waste the time and money to do something that wouldn't even be worth my much more precious time, retard?
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago
So you're a racist pig huh? So sad.
madrecka 2 years ago
What a minute... HUH? Where the hell did you get anything about racism from this comment that I wrote 8 FREAKIN' MONTHS AGO AND FORGOT ABOUT? Either you're really grasping at straws, or you're completely fucking retarded. I'm leaning towards the latter myself...
TheSaintOfPain 2 years ago
totally agree....the more i think of this issue the more my blood boils. I am a straight male who lives in Texas. Knowing California does lead the civil rights battle, It enrages me that the most liberal state voters have voted for prop 8. I will do all I can in my lifetime to stop this inequality of human rights.
Temporaryguitar 3 years ago
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California SUCKS Secede FROM THE UNION RIGHT NOW YOU ASS HOLES
attie3 3 years ago
Honestly: I think the vote was fucked up. I find homosexuality very odd and may always feel that way..BUT I did vote NO because it seems like such a violation of one's personal way of life. Give it time, you'll have your day. Peace.
tentwo70 3 years ago
i agree with u all the way dude hell yeah
juggalo37 3 years ago
I think that the human race, today, are always competitive to fight and unravel the things that really.. "don't need to be fought". All they're doing is trying to make what seems to be impossible - possible. Even if it's "so" fucking pointless...
DO we really need to make things "harder" than they are already? Sperm Banks? Sperm Donations? Seriously.... I'm a getting a little fucking pissed off. -___-"
foolwicked 3 years ago
If a man can't fuck another man to procreate life... and if a woman can't fuck a woman to procreate life. It's "logical" that man goes to woman because they CAN fuck and procreate life =] easy as that.
It's not a claim, not a remark. Not an opinion. It's a FAT FACT
foolwicked 3 years ago
Finally someone with some common sense around here.
sessakag 2 years ago
Listen... we understand that you may have someone of the same sex that you "love". But if it's only about love, then don't isolate yourself from women, otherwise you're the one shouting out that it's all about "sexual attention". Seems pretty obvious...
foolwicked 3 years ago
did you ever answer my question about the reasons why you think "homosexuality" is wrong?
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
Yeah, it should be like... right below your comment. o____O
foolwicked 3 years ago
In a nutshell, I think the way of homosexuality is just obnoxious. One, because its basically being dependant on the side of being subjective and reliant to the heterosexual side. (So if there's going to be homosexuals, there MUST be heterosexuals to provide the "con" side of Prop 8.) Secondly, imagine a world if it were lucidly "gay". I know it's "unlikely", but lets not get pragmatic for our own sake.
foolwicked 3 years ago
The "best" notion of it, which is also still the worst, is the idea of a "sperm bank". o____o
Are you *fucking* serious? Wtf kind of world are we really asking for here? No, not asking.... "Begging for", "Craving for" GLOATING FOR???!
foolwicked 3 years ago
OK:
1. You did not describe why "homosexuality" might be wrong like you said.
2. Neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality depend on each other.
3. I'm imagining a world where it's lucidly gay...what is your point?
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
I can agree that there's nothing that one gender can do the other gender can't, in a physical, viable, matter. (I wasn't gloating a remark to confirm that homosexuality is "wrong" or "right". All I've only expounded the fact that homosexuality is not just innate. But, it infringes the boundaries of the human genetics.
foolwicked 3 years ago
So, I asked you to explain why you think it was wrong and you tell me it's because you think it's obnoxious (do realize how small of a fraction that stereotype represents?) and also because it is sexually impossible to procreate?
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
Yes, it is impossible for homosexuals to sexually reproduce and so we have to turn to either adoption or a donor. Much like heterosexual couples who are also incapable of sexual reproduction. You speak as though this is fouler than all the bullshit that has ever come out of your mouth. No one is forcing you to participate in sperm banks so get over it.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
valkyrieWarrior08.... turn to either adoption or donor? Maybe I get the adoption part... but the donor? I wanna' know how this would look like when it requires sperm donations. What do ya' do... you ask someone's permission for their sperm? Someone volunteers to donate their own sperm to "anybody"? When you look at that, with or without context, you tell me if it's not "obnoxious". =\
foolwicked 3 years ago
Just a personal question, really.
foolwicked 3 years ago
If the couple were to choose a donor then it wouldn't be just "anybody," in which case I cannot see why it could be unpleasant or disagreeable. The only obnoxious thing about it is the fact that adaption agencies are making it extremely difficult for any couple to adopt, almost as if they don't want the parent-less heterosexual offsprings to be adopted. Now that is obnoxious.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
And for the sperm donation proposal, just imagine if we were living thousands of years back, when we wouldn't have the technologies we use today to execute this "donation". So now our aphorism somehow turns out to be "lets wait until it's possible"?
Of course not! A thousand years before today, we'd all probably be vanished; extinct. But since it's now possible, is it no obnoxious to lead ourselves to a pro life? Just take advantage of everything?
foolwicked 3 years ago
It's dicey, muddled, and poorly thought out. And when you look at it from a conservative standpoint, it's not only brought out by dutiful aspects, but "that's" what came first, that's how it always was before our modern world. Why? Because of technology. That's why I say it isn't "natural".
foolwicked 3 years ago
A weed plant "was" natural until "man" came along and turned it into something chemical, that "isn't natural".
foolwicked 3 years ago
It's a great chance then I happen to live in a time when it is technologically possible to create life.
Luckily for us, however, we are fit to survive this time. Hell yes I'm taking advantage of this technology if I must
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
But you see... you use technology to interfere the human genetics and anatomy. That's the part that gets me mad, and that's why I say it's obnoxious. Because we're putting "in" what doesn't belong..... within our bodies. You can't just take a needle that's patent with sperm and inject it within a female. You just can't do that without calling it unnatural and obnoxious... I just don't see why it's ethical.
foolwicked 3 years ago
And having it that it isn't ethical regardless of "what" standpoint anyone is in within this matter. I don't see why we should be doing it. I don't see why it's healthy... and I don't see a successful, permissible, future/world for homosexuality. "even if it's possible", it isn't moral.
foolwicked 3 years ago
All you're doing is adding what doesn't need to be added in the natural world. Like that weed plant that became a chemical drug.
foolwicked 3 years ago
Everyone's ethics is an exception, not the rule...
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
if we were all to live "naturally" then this very argument would not be taking place seeing as how the internet and computer tampers with the natural world. There are so many things we wouldn't have naturally, but we do.
I don't know what kind of world you're living in that naturally allows you to think this way.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
But you see, valkyrieWarrior08. That's different =\
The internet isn't going inside you. =o
foolwicked 3 years ago
Now if you want to talk about radio activity, I'd agree that it's killing mankind and it should be destroyed. =|
But hey, you wouldn't know when someone on the other side of earth would knock the sense out of people.
foolwicked 3 years ago
OMG! it's not?
Well shit, and here i thought they were exactly the same....
Of course it's different!
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
but touche
I suppose it is more natural, more intended for a baby to be conceived via penis&vagina sex, but seeing as how homosexuals lack one of the two magical pieces sexually, tell me, how would you create life? We can't. Now how would you go about solving that?
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
That' where we differ.
There in nothing genetically-alternating or anatomically-mutating about a sperm fertilizing an egg (well, aside from fertilization that is). It is as good as any other pregnancy.
It's unnatural for you because pregnancy to you is only achieved through a penis-vaginal contact. And it's obnoxious for you because you were raised to see it as unnatural.
In our world today, a penis-vagina fuck is just one of many ways to create another life.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
One of many ways xD
So then I guess it was pointless to have penises from the start. On second thought, if you're an evolutionist, it's more likely for you to believe in the derivation of both male and female gender to come from a single organism that can procreate life in and from itself. If this is true, then Question: "Why did it so happen that this single prolific organism evolve, 'surprisingly', into two different species that are needed to bond to progress in procreating life?"
foolwicked 3 years ago
Instead of human beings having no vagina and no penis... yet is "somehow" still able to generate from in and of itself. Was there any need for penises..... and vagina...?
foolwicked 3 years ago
Of course it's "natural" for penis + vagina fucking. It's flesh and flesh. Not metallic and synthetics. I think you seriously need some closure into this fact of life. What kind of "natural" are YOU talking about? The exception of our modern day transcendent reality? Or microbiotic?
foolwicked 3 years ago
I never knew needle fucking somehow became macrobiotic*.
foolwicked 3 years ago
Anal is flesh and flesh and tribadism is flesh to flesh. There is nothing metallic nor synthetic about it.
And here you show just how highly you think of heterosexual sex by saying the words metallic and synthetics. Why do you assume that lesbians required a penis-like-shape or penis-like stimulation to have sex?
Fact: Woman orgasm with clitoral stimulation. Men's G-Spot is a piece of very sensitive flesh located near their anus.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
If mankind comes to a plan to be able to procreate life through anal sex, you let me know.
And if you're talking about lesbians, you tell me what they "need" to produce life. This isn't about "sex". It's a matter of how mankind can continue to propagate throughout life through what has already been "given"; penis, vagina.
Personally I just don't think that, by using technology, it gives us the right to change our way of living. Especially by means of impeding the natural laws of reproduction.
foolwicked 3 years ago
While we are on the topic, this wasn't about how to continue the next generation either.
It's a matter of how other people feel differently as you do.The fact of the matter is that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. It is as natural as the air we breath.
And of course we have the right to change the way we live. We have been changing the way we live for as long as anyone can tell.The laws of reproduction, a sperm fertilizing an egg, remains intact and unchanged. Only methods change.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
We are not forcing you to become a homosexual and "doom" the next generation, but you treat us like we do. Be heterosexual and make babies naturally all you want, but don't take away any of my rights simply because how I do things pisses you off.
It is unfair, it violates my rights as a human being, and quite frankly you're just being a douche bag for ensuring further misery in other's lives.
I refuse to argue with you on this anymore because I know I cannot change your mind.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
But thanks for finally clearing up why you think it's wrong even though your reason was only one and of little relevance to homosexuals since we do not follow the anatomy.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
Wait, that surprised you?
And did you concluded that I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution simply because I agree with his theory of the fittest?
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
You still never answered valkyrie's question. I'd love to know your reason also. Although it is madness, there must be a method to it! What is that method?
Skittles075 3 years ago
Yay! I love this video!
jukuboy 3 years ago
and you know this how?
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
why do homosexuals need marriage? why do they want it ?
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
You didn't answer my question.
WHY? Why does anyone at all want marriage?
Marriage is marriage regardless if it was "homo" or "hetero" so there is no need separate them. I would want to get married to the person I love because it is one of the most intimate and personal connection and it tells everyone that you two love each other and that you want to be together for as long as possible. Why not get married if you are in love?
It is not fair for anyone to take marriage away from others
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
It looks as though you are just after a ceremony for validation so you can have a "picture" session and have everyone believe you are a "normal" couple...
A piece of paper does not make your relationship "the most intimate and personal connection"... The couple does...
You have been duped... why are you listening to the government's view on what makes you happy??
Why do you want marriage??
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
No, the government has nothing to do with it, I just happen to like marriage.
We're not trying to appear normal, we are normal.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
Why do you happen to like marriage?
Why do homosexuals want marriage?
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
For the same reasons heterosexuals want marriage.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
and what are those reasons ?
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
It's different for everyone, for me it's to show my love for the other person. The point is marriage should not be restricted to heterosexual couples because they are not the only one wanting to get married.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
Why do you need marriage to show your love for the other person?
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
No one needs marriage, but most everyone want it. It's unfair for those allowed to marry to ensure certain groups are not given that same right.
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
So why are men not allowed to use the woman's restroom?
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
what?
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
I think it's wrong to be gay, period. I've got tons of reasons to describe why.... >_____> but you need to do me the decency of not showing your face on youtube ever again. Pinkie promise? =T
foolwicked 3 years ago
I think you need to do us all a favor and die. Pinkie Promise? =T
Asshole!!
Skittles075 3 years ago
XD LOL jk jk
But I'll tell you what. Lemme' tell you something about "moving forward" in life. You don't move on in life when you gradually depend on women who procreate life, and who have an ordinary family. Fuck me for wanting to save the earth from its illness? What more do homosexuals want to gloat about? How it's not fair that the male body simply cannot adhere and procreate life? And that you get sick when you try?
foolwicked 3 years ago
What is this illness that you speak of, hatred, discrimination, these are the only illnesses I see here! We're not too worried about procreating; there are already too many kids that need to be adopted as it is, and you have the nerve to speak about procreation?!! Are you against gays adopting as well? I wonder who else is going to do it, since straight couples are obviously so compelled to procreate.
Skittles075 3 years ago
I want to hear your reasons
valkyrieWarrior08 3 years ago
In the end, homosexuals really do not care about "marriage"
All they really want is the perks, benefits, and "validation" that comes with it...
Let's just get rid of marriage
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
Haha, I love when the right wing uses the "traditional values" argument. Why don't they take a look at the constitution, besides the second amendment. Secularism and equality are fundamentals of the constitution. Prop 8 should have never passed. Gays are fighting for the right to civil marriage, not religious marriage. Most people are too ignorant to know the difference. By the way, civil unions aren't even close to the same as civil marriage; look it up before you mention it idiots.
fineblackline 3 years ago
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That's sad this country is in that kind of subject, I just think this is ridiculous. Rights that people someday won are now taking away??? Seems like this country is going backwards instead of forward. Let's make the prop 9 t against rights black people got and go back to slavery and segregation, prop 10 against rights for women to vote and work, prop 11 against rights children have, props against any other rights 'd make this country a civilized, smart and tolerant one.
mayo70125 3 years ago
However marked you as spam is a monster, a genuine monster; I COMPLETELY agree with you!
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
Not saying that isn't california law. But it is funny that the courts didn't strike it down before we even voted on it. It was on the ballot for how long? and no lawyer or judge said a word. And what is funny that even if the legislature did decide on the will of the people, there would be complaints there too.
blackbatmatt30 3 years ago
They DID, you fucking idiot, when they overturned the SAME proposition in Prop 22; you 'tards just won't take no for an answer though! No one brought it up while it was on the ballot because they were SURE it would fail; it didn't however because of all the crap the Mormons put into their campaign and because of the much larger voter-turn out inspired by Obama. (Continued in next message.)
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
OF COURSE there'd be complaints, too, only THOSE wouldn't have any legal justification; if those people don't have enough maturity to restrain personal gratification when it goes against specific societal rules, OF COURSE they would complain!
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
And even try to fucking say, "Even if the legislature did decide on the will of the people". It's the legislature's FUCKING JOB in this case; you, by California law, CANNOT approve an amendment, which, again, Prop 8 IS, as it refers back to a proposition only first made in Prop 22, WITHOUT legislative approval, so PLEASE don't act put upon. You have a fucking problem with the way one of the United States is run?? MOVE TO ANOTHER or go buy a fucking island then and restart the Puritan community!
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
Hey why don't you go to an island and start your own fag community. Then in about 50 years when you don't reproduce you will all be dead and we won't be bothered by you any more.
blackbatmatt30 3 years ago
'Cause you know all we want is to infect you, Breeder. Run away.
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
Lol.
sessakag 2 years ago
Besides you have your civil unions be done with it. Go after all the other states that voted against it. In fact why does no one bring up that EVERY time it is voted on, people vote NO on gay marriage. Sorry but the majority of Americans, not just Californians vote against gay marriage.
blackbatmatt30 3 years ago
It's not your decision to make. I mean that legally also; Prop 8 refers back to the proposition made in Prop 22, the first to try to redefine marriage as between a man and a woman. Therefore, Prop 8 is an amendment, and, according to CALIFORNIA law, an amendment must be approved by the legislature, which Prop 8 wasn't. Don't fucking tell me to be happy with a civil union; if someone like YOU is happy with it, you obviously see the difference for yourself!
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
A new kind of marriage should be available in the u.s. that is not supported by any religious means. I am not Christian and I don't believe in a "God", therefore I'm not going to get married! Therefore, I have no right to see my partner when she becomes deathly ill! I'm sorry but I can't believe that gay Christians expect to get married under a "mythological God" who's book is against homosexuality. Fuck Christianity! Who needs it! We need a marriage under u.s. law, not the church!
hyposnipe 3 years ago 2
Yes how dare us vote for what we believe in. Hell you know what, put the Bible aside, it is against evolution. Because if being gay were right then that is how we would have kids.
blackbatmatt30 3 years ago
You have a lot of common sense where others have none.
sessakag 2 years ago
i voted yes on 8
YOU should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to legalize something both so ethically and morally wrong. forcing millions of people to pay for your deviant action is unfair and messed up.
Max1qa 3 years ago
I ask this sincerely: what do you think is ethically or morally wrong about it?
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
ethically wrong because it's not normal. marriage is highly recognized as between a man and a woman only so gay marriage is just disturbing and not right. morally wrong because people with christian morals follow God's teachings that acting upon homosexuality is sinful and wrong.
Max1qa 3 years ago
Well, seeing as how ethics ARE the study of morals, you then mean to say you believe it's not normal because of your preconditioned religious views. ...Or what? Anyway, tell me where did God get this knowledge of homosexuality's sinfulness?
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
it's not normal AND wrong because of my (and millions of other people's) religous views and ALSO because it's a deviant behavior. a lot of people who are atheists and don't even believe in God voted yes just because it's not right and it takes away the true meaning of marriage. God didn't get the knowledge from anyone or anything. He got it from Himself because He created the knowledge.
Max1qa 3 years ago
So it's not normal and wrong because you say it is? Oh! Okay! Fine with me then! All you're doing by saying it's a deviant behavior is repeating yourself, not answering my question. How do you know why other people with DIFFERENT beliefs voted? Don't apply your reasoning to them; as you implied, you both come from very different belief systems. And, by the way, no matter what you read or who preaches it to you, you'll never know where God got the knowledge; I was being rhetorical.
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
it's not normal and wrong because of either religious beliefs or ethically reasons of the people. what other reason would it be? God always was and always will be. He's the creator of the world, therefore the creator of everything else.
Max1qa 3 years ago
I'm gonna stop arguing with you here and now because really all you're going is repeating unreasonable rationalizations.
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
no, you're gonna stop arguing with me because what i said is true and you can't argue against it.
Max1qa 3 years ago
It has absolutely nothing to do with truth. You, whether you know it or not, admitted yourself QUITE a few times your position is based solely in belief; the only problem is people can BELIEVE whatever they like. There's absolutely no critical thought behind your position--all it is with you is God and OTHER people's beliefs. What makes what either says true? What do you KNOW that makes what either says true??
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
it's factual that homosexuality is abnormal and disturbing to many people. it's also factual that it's against many people's religious morals. therefore, it shouldn't be legalized. and besides, i thought you were gonna stop arguing with me.
Max1qa 3 years ago
I wasn't gonna leave when you tried to dictate my opinions, thank you! You're still just repeating yourself; your ONLY support is people's beliefs. I would be perfectly willing to consider these beliefs if only the supports for these beliefs weren't based on something as painfully subjective as personal dispositions; give me facts, then I'll take you seriously! The beliefs you're talking about ARE nothing but personal dispositions, a type of passion--"the law is reason free from passion."
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
so then tell me why we don't legalize murder, rape, etc.
Max1qa 3 years ago
God, you're an idiot; because that would go against the principle that "the law is reason free from passion"...? I'm glad you see murder and rape as akin to gay rights though, X-D!!
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
it doesn't matter the extent of how bad murder and rape are compared to homosexuality. they're both seen as both wrong and sinful acts among many people no matter how you look at it.
Max1qa 3 years ago
Great, now you're back to the point at which you started! Just because homosexuality is PERCEIVED--again, no critical thought, just primative gut reactions--to be wrong and sinful by other people and you happen to agree with them, I should shut up?? I don't care if the approval of gay marriage makes you people squeamish!! DEAL WITH IT, just as you're asking me to do! Why do you keep correlating homosexuality to rape and murder of all things anyway?
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
Anyway, getting back to your spin on "the law is reason free from passion," you people broke that principle first when you acted on your passion and banned gay marriage in California back in 2000, so, logically, you can't really attack us that much for be passionate about the issue after that. (Continued in next message.)
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
And that brings me to another point; it's been brought to my attention that, if Prop 8 is viewed as a revision by the California Supreme Court, then it'll stay, but if it's viewed as an amendment, then it's overturned, as amendments must be passed by the legislature. And the fact is Prop 8 ultimately refers back to the 2000 proposition, Prop 22, as Prop 8 is intended to overturn the legalization of gay marriage AFTER Prop 22. (Continued in next message.)
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
I can't see how it's not safe to say Prop 22 was an amendment, as it was the first time gay marriage was specified in the California constitution. So, therefore, the California Supreme Court overturning Prop 22 and legalizing gay marriage was perfectly legal, as the amendment needed approval by the legislature before it became legal itself. Prop 8 is unconstitutional as the original Prop 22 still needed legislative approval. It's not over.
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
it should be over though. the people already voted. so all you gays and lesbians seriously need to just shut your mouths and stop throwing it in our faces. learn to deal.
Max1qa 3 years ago
You don't decide when it's a legislative issue! Who does? The legislature!! Go figure!! What about it don't you understand? Prop 22 was an amendment as it was first to specify the defition of marriage in California, but, as an amendment, it needed legislative approval, so, therefore, the California Supreme Court overturned it, and now all the people who voted yes on Prop 8 are going against the American legal system as Prop 8 refers back to the proposition made in Prop 22.... Oops!
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
*Definition.
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
I can't believe you try to use the "law-is-reason-free-from-passion" argument against me when your side is so blatantly throwing out the rule-book on which this country's legal system was based just for the sake of your petty feelings, then you tell ME to learn to deal; you fucking learn to deal with the legal system to which the ENTIRE United States is subjected. Is that so hard for you?
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
i'm not using the "law is free from passion" argument. you are. and i'm dealing perfectly fine with the passing of prop 8. i'm happy.
Max1qa 3 years ago
"murder and rape is done out of passion and is wrong. just like homosexuality. period." Oh, really?? You didn't try to use that argument of mine?? And you're obviously not happy, as you're not most likely "morally" and "ethically" satisfied with how the legal situation of this issue might easily turn out: "it should be over though."
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
isn't "the law is free from passion" the argument that laws should NOT be made according to what people feel is right? (what you're mad about)
and i'm happy about the passing of prop 8 but i really wish that all the gays would just shut their mouths and deal with it.
Max1qa 3 years ago
You were just as mad before; you just have your selfish little way now. Anyway, my point with that quote is YOUR side was the first to actually try to take legal action (again, based on your own petty feelings) with issue (Prop 22), so it's EXTREMELY hypocritical of you to turn the tables on us and now claim we're the ONLY ones in this battle who've acted like that; at least, with us, it's justified because your side initially broke that standard. What's your excuse??
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
so what if we tried to take legal action? it's the RIGHT thing to do. homosexuality should NOT be legalized. the world is just slowly falling apart and gradually becoming more and more accepting of bad things. homosexuality being one of them.
Max1qa 3 years ago
I'm glad you've made NO progress and are now back to just repeating your original point without support again; that's what I hoped my last response would have you end up doing actually. Anyway, what exactly would happen if gay marriage were legalized?
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
i already explained myself for why gay marriage shouldn't be legalized. and if it were legalized, it would be a complete slap in the face to straight people by taking away the beauty of marriage being only between a man and a woman, teach children that homosexuality is ok, and lead america to accepting more and more abnormal and wrong things.
Max1qa 3 years ago
You're reasoning wasn't valid; it had to solid legs on which to stand. It wouldn't be a slap from gay people and their supports necessarily to straight people who oppose gay marriage; it would be those straight people THINKING they just got slapped in the face by gay people and their supports when really they just need to "shut their mouths and deal" with something that doesn't even indirectly affect them as long as they have the mental capacity to realize that. (Continued in next message.)
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
With all that said, as I've asked you so many time and as you've still not put forth a fact-based support for your beliefs, what's your basis for saying it's abnormal and wrong? Almost all of the straight people I know are absolutely disgusted by Prop 8 by the way.
Sebastianswain 3 years ago
maybe all the straight people YOU know. but isn't it pretty obvious that the majority of EVERYONE is more disgusted by the thought of legalizing gay marriage since it passed?
Max1qa 3 years ago