The Democratic Party has and always will be the Party of Slavery, now Debt Slavery, Wage Slavery and every other way they can enslave the American people. It has only been the Populists who have fought to bring power back to the people and their nemesis has always been the leadership of the Democratic Party, even when the Populists have had to work within that Party because of its near-total control of the Southern vote through scare tactics.
@cpklapper Southern Democrats who embraced segregation overwhelmingly left the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights legislation of '64. Today, you see their remains in the Republican-passed Voter ID and anti voter registration laws. As for wage slavery, maybe you can name me 5 Republicans who ever voted to raise the minimum wage. Those on minimum wage today have seen a 9.2 percent actual decline in wages over the past 15 years. That's 30 percent of all workers over 25. TV stuck on FOX News?
@huckfinn22 I am well aware of the conservative wing of the Republican Party making a deal with the devil by taking in the Dixiecrats and thus winning the nomination for Goldwater over Rockefeller. However, not all Southern Democrats left the Democratic Party. Its policies plowed new ground for slavery that didn't require the overt racism of its past. The minimum wage is a case in point: instead of redistributing the wealth, a la Huey Long, minimum wage yokes the poor to their jobs.
You do know who those Wall Street CEOs getting the big bonuses are, don't you Huck? They were and are the Return on Equity Gang and their representative in Congress, then-Senator Jon S. Corzine, head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. If there is any one person responsible for the financial meltdown it was Corzine and he was the one who brokered the deal between the RoE Gang and Senate Democrats to fund the capture of the Senate with the theft of pension funds.
@cpklapper Yeah, this is why Wall Street is funding Republican Scott Brown's campaign against Democrat Elizabeth Warren and why every Republican in the Senate and all but a handful in the House voted against Wall Street reforms, are blocking the Consumer Protection appointment of Cordray and are now vowing repeal of even the modest reforms passed. You are really creepy,
@huckfinn22 Wall Street has all sides with some companies placing their money in both camps. Corzine's "genius" was in brokering a deal with his RoE cronies on the Street (O'Neal at Merrill when I worked there) to buy the US Senate. And, yes, Corzine is very creepy.
@cpklapper And let me be clear what I mean about creepy ... your logic would suggest that because Corzine (a New Jersey Dem who along with a few other Northeast Dems, were unduly influenced by the lure of Wall Street money) was singly responsible as if the votes of all those Republicans, virtually all of them, with Gingrich as their leader, didn't matter. Which party backed 401 K's in place of guaranteed pensions and are now seeking to add Social Security to Wall Street's clutches?
@huckfinn22 The votes of Democratic Senators were need for the bailouts, both Bush's and Obama's, and they wouldn't have been there if Corzine didn't line up the Wall Street money to buy their election. Yet those campaign funds came from manipulating the financial structure to maximize returns on a depleted equity. It was a simple quid pro quo.
As far as 401K's are concerned, they did work until the RoE Gang worked their "wizadry". So did CMOs, until the RoE's credit default swaps.
The funniest thing about this guy here is that he and ignorant people like him believe there's a two party system when in fact it's fucking two card monte. Left. Right. Either way we all loose. That's why I thank God there is a new movement called the Tea Party. What will happen however is the Tea Party will be infiltrated so they can maintain their ruling establishment under the guise
that they are elected Democratically. Intelligent people know that it's all an illusion. Wake up!
@PhilAOFish The Tea Party is lock, stock, and barrel extreme-right Republican; and has largely been funded by former Libertarians, now ultra conservative, billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch. It has been their 59 billion-dollar fortune that has funded not only the organization Americans for Prosperity that sponsored and bussed folks to Tea Party Rallies, but also funded dozens of attacks on environmental regulation, climate change science, health care reform and tax hikes.
@PhilAOFish The Tea Party is lock, stock and barrel extreme-right Republican; largely funded by ultra conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch. Their 59 billion-dollar fortune has funded the organization Americans for Prosperity that sponsored and bussed folks to Tea Party Rallies, and funded dozens of attacks on environmental regulation, climate change science, health care reform and tax hikes. Wake Up!
just curious about your thought on Giuliani,he decided not to run anymore but why do you think he switched from democrat to republican,odd thing is when he was a dem they hated him now they don't he was the only one to clean up the streets in NY but people only choose to pick at his marriage i do not pretend to know about politics because honestly i don't i am purely couch politician and vote according to what i see on tv which i know is probably a bad idea but there are many of us that do that.
@johndebbra Thanks for watching. Guliana has moderate to liberal views on some social issues which will make it impossible for him to snare the Republican nomination. Fiscally and on foreign policy, his present record is typical Republican. He advocated the Bush tax cuts, wants them permanent, and this alone has added $3 trillion to our debt. He was among the staunchest supporters of the Iraq war, and supports a Ryan-like privatiizing of Medicare. No thanks. Maybe an attorney general.
Wow I know this is an old video...but your smarter than you look..(a compliment) and your preaching to the quire. But you talk the truth...but you forgot to mention that they also do it cause My President Obama is BLACK. and thats why they do it also.
@heyxilong Ah, so the TEA party is actually in favor of socialized medicine, massive government spending, over-regulation, being friendly with our enemies, alienating our allies, etc, and they would support all of those things *if only he were white*?
@shamgar001 yep..look at all the bullshit bush got thru cause he was one of yall....i didnt see any tea pottiers whenbush was killing the economy. dont hide racism with that fake concern over the economy..you fucking hypocrits.
@heyxilong First off, the TEA parties started during the Bush admin, but they didn't get press coverage until Obama. Libertarians (the original TEA party) were against Bush from the beginning.
Second, the Federal Reserve is far more to blame than Bush for the crisis.
Third, it's true, there are some people who are more anti-Obama than pro-economy, but has it occurred to you that maybe it's just because he's a Democrat, not because he's black? Of course not.
Would you like some Ice for that rearend im sure since the mids and the spanking the Dems got you might need it. don't get me wrong I'm not a Repokin (that was on purpose) either I am a free thinking American and the truth is both main stream parties are owned and operated by the Federal Reserve Bank owners, thats right the fed is a private bank and its in the same bizz as any other bank making money but they can't fail because they print the money. Why is that anyway?
@myteepatriot The truth is the Republicans in Congress have a lower approval rating than even Dems. he midterms were not a referendum on Democrats, but on the economy and because we have a less than astute public, they tend to do this a lot, vote out whoever is in power for the sake of change when things are bad, without analyzing the cause of the problems or the obstacles in the way of the changes they seek. I am far more concerned about corporate influence on Congress than the Fed. sorry.
This swingingdick guy is preaching to the wrong choir, more hyperbolic bullshit "NAZI" this and "HITLER" that is not striking a chord with me. You want my attention, give me facts. Cold. Hard. Facts. Not opinions, not distorted history. facts.
This all comes at the heels of the 200 million dollar/day allegations of president Obama's travel expenditures, already dismissed by the assistant secretary of defense as quote "Wildly inflated". They're happy to smear, not so much to fact check.
@drpeppa2357 I took a moment to review some of Swinging's comments. After further review, I blocked him. I rarely, if ever, do that, and it has nothing to do with his personal insults of me. My videos get their share of that like most folks. When folks are unable to convey a thought without using the most extreme, hateful and intolerant language, I must draw the line. One comment like that is one thing, repeated comments only displays an intolerance and immaturity none of us need to witness.
I could give a flying crap about the political process. Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. We’re an entertainment company - Glenn Beck of Fox "News" to Forbes Magazine 4/26/10
Huck - You make a lot of sense, but you're wrong about some things. Saying Democrats are pro-union ignores many historical facts: such as Harry Truman's post-war union-busting (which outstripped Ronald Reagan's), and the fact that Truman was the originator of the anti-commie witch hunts that evolved into McCarthyism; a good deal of which focused on communists in unions.
Fact is, during the 1930s, millions of Americans joined leftist organizations. FDR saved capitalism for America.
@shadowfaxx1 If you send me a personal message or friend request, I will reply to your question, but I would rather not explain it here. Thanks for the question, though.
@SwingingDickOfDoom Judging on your screen name and your penchant for judging people on their appearance, clearly there is nothing here for you. Go back to eating your boogers while watcing Martin Luther Beck. BTW, bet you aren't so hot yourself.
@shadowfaxx1 awww did you get offended? You should be more tolerant of others little fella. Why is it people think just because they think a certain way that others should follow that line of thought? I am an ugly mother fucker. thats why i do not have videos of myself, there are enough ugly fucks on youtube already. Too bad this guy couldnt spare us.. Now go sit down with a nice big handful of antidepresants and enjoy some more brain washing left wing media. you fuckin pussy.
There's a deeper problem to our economy than you see. The economic collapse should be blamed on the Federal Reserve and Keynesian economists. The same people who worked under Bush are the same people that work for Obama. Their policies(artificially low interest rates and printing money) have manipulated individuals and companies to keep spending money until they were too far into debt. This only benefits the rich people who convinced us to establish the Federal Reserve.
@hodoprime You, my friend, have been watching FOX News. I can always tell. The rants against the UK economist's theory of tax cuts ans government spending to stimulate recovery in recessions and tax hikes and spending cuts in times of economic expansion has not only been a sound economic formula, it has been so successful (when applied) that virtually all capitalist societies in the world subscribed to it with tremendous success. The problem is Reagan and Bush who used supply side theory.
@huckfinn22 FOX.. that is you and your ilks default response to everything. they are ONE network!! The problem with media and all the retards like yourself are known as NBC ABC CBC CNN MSNBC CSPAN just about ALL Newspapers and NPR PBS and all the other left wing cool aid distributors. These ALL parralle the Nazi propoganda machine, albeit much softer edged, but still the same thing as the German Volksempfaenger of the 1930s and 40s, then listening was mandatory.. now its voluntary..
@SwingingDickOfDoom CBS i mean not CBC that was a typo (one of many that i make from time to time) please dont send me to a leftist spelling concentration camp
God, you fucking right-wingers are just unremitting assholes; just assholes up and down the block. One asshole after another.
Hitler, you stupid fuck, was right-wing: he was supported by Germany's wealthiest families; sent communists to the gas chambers; & saved Germany from communist revolution.
If anyone is fascist, it's right-wingers like you. Loved the guy stepping on the woman at the Rand Paul gathering last week. Just like Hilter's brownshirts. Fucking idiots.
@bapyou Look at all that the Reich did during that time: took over private business, nationalized labor unions, controled the media 100%, took over the health system completely, nationalized the police force, demonized ALL opposition, destroyed the old currency and replaced it with Reichmarks, trained children in National Socialist German Workers Party ideals from birth (NASDP), Censorship of all communications, on and on and on the paralles to the modern leftist are stunning.. Wake up jackass!
@bapyou Did you know that Russia was Hitlers allie before Hitler attacked them??? Communists were so close to Facists the two were allies!!! But Hitler was a fucking lunatic and attacked them, big mistake for a guy trying to take over the world.. thus, thank god he lost the war... Well we smashed his leftist ass!
1918. Hitler employed by German gov as a V-Man. His job: visiting political organisations to see if they're right, centre or left wing. Both the government & army want to know who is socialist or communist.
1919. Hitler joins German Workers' Party, its name suggesting socialist leanings with its "workers'" tag. In fact, the GWP is an extreme, anti-Semitic, anti-communist, right wing nationalist party led by Karl Drexler.
@bapyou You have proved my point.. thanks! A "workers" party of the early 1900s is much like the Progressives and liberals here in early 2000s. You think you have found some kinda of proof that your leftist nazis arent dick heads? Well shit head keep reading history, youll figure it out!
No, I've disproved your idiotic point that Hitler was some sort of "leftist."
"...keep reading history, youll figure it out!"
Sorry, little boy, it is you who needs to pick up a history book: Hitler sent communists to the camps along with the Jews and he was backed by Germany's wealthiest families (Krupp et al). Hitler saved Germany from communist revolution.
Like all conservatives, you're a know-nothing dolt.
@sharktrinity Is it? Is it really? look at the propaganda that they have been spreading for decades, sure some of the shows are pretty good.. but the over all message is leftist.. PBS is just another one of the many ways you have been indoctrinated to the status quo. You probably hate FOX too just like the rest of these dumbasses. Keep up the softshoe goosestep bubba. Your liberal utopia is just around the corner!
I can pay to go on PBS and tell people that Swinging Dick of Doom is all of .01mm long. PBS is apples and oranges to single payers dominating networks with an agenda. Now you guys have got my hair standing up comparing the last source of sane television to mainstream or even Fox News Entertainment.
Hey dick of doom, why don't you google what Glenn Beck said to Forbes magazine the week after the Coffee-Party tax protests. 4/26/10, see if you still feel like Fox News is a "balanced source" with a mission to serve up the truth and not at the top of the heap of those bending you over with your own stupidity in order to get your money!
@hodoprime In fairness, there has been too much spending all around, good times and bad, Defense spending in particular. The Fed is a whole 'nother story and it IS time to look at that. But Clinton is the only adminsitration in the last 36 years that attempted to apply Keynes formula, but while the economy boomed and the debt shrunk, the GOP railed against defense cuts and tax hikes. Go figure.
@huckfinn22 Lol, I do watch Fox News. I don't agree with them though. Republicans lack principles. They talk like they want to cut spending but have no kahones to do it because they know it will cost votes and campaign contributions. The UK used to be a great country in the 19th century but their time has passed just like ours will and I predict it will only get worse. Keynesian economics destroys wealth.
@huckfinn22 Furthermore, I have a ton of things I want to spend on that would do better than a centralized government would w/ the same money. If I had a little more money, I'd hire people to start fixing stuff around my house among other things. I can stimulate the economy myself & the people I pay would make profits. Governments don't make profits with the money I give them. I give them money and they still run into debt. Thx for being cool & responding. It's a pretty big deal to me too
Dear Aging Liberal Hippy Douche, Why the hell did you sent me and the rest of these people whom were minding their own business a link to your leftist video brain fart? And why are you surprised that we actually have a different view than yourself, and are just as articulate about expressing it. Why do you and your leftist comrads continue to think you are so much smarter than the rest of the population? Guess what Adolf.. your little game of liberal fascism wont fly with me.
@SwingingDickOfDoom As I find with a good many name-calling ranters who speak before they think, you seem incapable of distinguishing communism from socialism from fascism. Hitler had storm troopers and Brown shirts who attended rallies with weapons to intimidate and raise fear ... sound familiar? Mao purged the Communist Party of all who dared to challenge any but the purest of his parties views ... sound familiar? The Soviets invested in war and weaponry over the plight of citizens ... hmmmm
@huckfinn22 They are all of the same cloth. Varied degrees of force and intimidation tactics. but Socialism, Communism, Fascism all stem from the same mind set(s) as your buddies. Look at all the funerals, peacefull Tea Party rallies, Troop Home comings, etc Spitting on soldiers, Throwing trash, inciting riots, screaming and near violent protests of everything, from private business to acts of mother nature. Wake up jack ass, you are willingly walking on the road to fascism!
@SwingingDickOfDoom What planet and decade are you talking about? There is a systematic effort by extreme religious fundamentalists to shut down abortion clinics by assassination of abortion doctors, an extreme religious fanatic who is using his homophobia to blame gays for God's wrath on our war dead and is holding loud obnoxious demonstrations at military funerals, These are not liberals. If you mean groups interfering with illegal whaling practices, ok, but the WTO anarchists are libertarians
@huckfinn22 You know damn good and well what i am talking about. Dont blame this on religious fundementalists.. You know exactly what i am referring to.. And if you dont, you have completely closed your eyes to the truth of your kindred kind. Sit there and pretend you have some how elevated yourself intellectually above everyone else, pretend the things im saying never happened, just keep drinking the cool aid. Go get fitted for your Brown Shirt (or code pink or what the fuck ever you call it)
@huckfinn22 sucking a child out of a womb with a straw is a shitty thing to do. i dont give a fuck what religion someone clings too.
They certainly are liberals doing these things!! "God Loves Dead Soldiers"??? LIBERAL SIGN HOLDER.. Anarchists? Really? Do you really think Anarchists exsist? By the very nature of the word, they would render themselves out of exsistance. Libertarians? Really? People that dont want Gov intrusion and just want to live thier life free, are your enemy?
Tea Party anger is misdirected at Dems? Uh, Tea party anger reaches across the Isle, the blame lies on both parties shoulders... Now can Tea Party Canidates do any better? I have no Idea, But lets look at alot of failed polices that have been imposed on the american people and truy to find solutions instead of running around yelling Demmocrats bad democrats bad or republicans bad republicans bad, An for the Love of God stop sticking up for Obama!
@MrEhud77 The problem with the Tea Party movement is that whatever principles of good governance at its heart, the brand itself has been usurped by fringe Republican-leaning extremists who say they are constitutionalists yet would repeal or misinterpret provisions in it, who speak of individual liberties but would dictate when life begins and ends and who can marry who; who fail to recognize a fundamental American principle, the freedom of religious expression. And you fear Obama?
@huckfinn22 Obama is too radical, as are most politicians we have in office on both sides. I don't agree with abortion, I don't agree with gay marriage either but the main problem we are facing today (that the government can fix anyway) is the problem of economics, Both parties have been destroying this country day after day by spending like drunken sailors for far too long. WTO agreements and NAFTA have driven our jobs overseas and THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH! We don't need a narcisist ...
@huckfinn22 ...Like Obama Anywhere near washington at this time, this My way or the Highway nonsense has to stop. We elect Politicans to Administer the Constitution and come up with viable solutions for national and global issuses, we don't elect pioliticans to try to force a Green Econmy down our throats or try to tell us all what to believe religiously or morally (which both parties try to do to some extent).
Folks have forgotten that the economy we have today, was not created in 1980. We have acculmulated debt since the begining of the country. In recent history its been accelerating at an alarming rate. People are waking up (maybe to late) Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama didnt cause this individually, they have out done each other every 4 years. But the problems go back to Carter, Ford, JFK, FDR, Hoover admins. each closer to socialism for 75 years. Social programs Kill economies!! Just ask the USSR!
@SwingingDickOfDoom Reagan took office with a total national debt of just under $1 tillion. In eight years, he tripled it to $2.8 trillion, largely due to massive tax cuts, increased defense spending and the systematic destruction of unions in this country which had helped to balance wealth between large prosperous companies and their workers. Clinton lowered the debt with surpluses, and was on target to eliminate it by 2006, until Bush broke all records. Entitlements had no bearing.
@huckfinn22 the myth that Clinton lowed the national debt is a fucking lie. The Debt rose on the same line as the prior admin. More people being born.. Now Clinton did manage to put some money back in the pot.. BY SELLING NATONAL DEFENSE SECRETS AND WEAPONS ALOND WITH MANUFACTURING OF JUST ABOUT EVERY FUCKING THING ELSE TO FUCKING COMMUNIST CHINA. So yeah, i guess mortgaging our freedom to a China helped shine a good light on Clintons reign
@SwingingDickOfDoom If Bush and Wall Street hadn't devasted the economy with millions of lost jobs, Medicare and Social Security would need minor adjustments to stay solvent into mid-century or beyond. When folks aren't contributing into them, things go bad fast. The USSR, and I am no proponent of communism, failed due to exhorbitant defense spending and a disastrous war strategy in Afghanistan. It was doomed to fail, regardless.
@huckfinn22 it was your precious left wing media that set the Wall Street fire. Constantly saying "resession" day in and day out.. It was just another way they hoped to get Bush impeached. Youll argue that point i know. But its what happened. Since 2000 the left media plotted to destroy Bush, at any cost. Turns out it cost us a good economy. The left took congress and continued the drum beat of CNN, NBC, ABC, NY Times, and all the other leftist propoganda machinery.
I believe in most cases, I sent this out cautioning Republican and Tea Party enthusiasts to skip watching this and move on, but apparently many could not resist watching and giving me a piece of their mind. That's ok, I am willing to debate anyone on policy, but offensive personal remarks will be deleted. My intention was to motivate Democrats to vote, not persuade others from their beliefs. My thanks to everyone who took the time to watch.
You actively sent the message to people like myself. So I have a hard time believing that you didn't want debate. Don't you think that debate is good? Let me give you an example, I was born & raised in NYC. As a consequence for much of my younger life I was a progressive liberal. But because of national problems and life experiences I learned along the way that those spoon fed positions were all wrong and based on fallacies.
@kmg501 I don't shy away from debate, as my replies show; but neither did I post this for that purpose. I hoped to motivate folks who out of frustration might not vote. Those who voted against Obama in '08 are already motivated, so sending this video could only help Democrats. Republicans for two years have shown no regard for the jobless, economic growth or Wall Street reform, merely retaining power by thwarting all legislation. Their policies got us here and they offer nothing new.
It's pretty obvious that you're a blinded partisan given how much you ignore basic facts and twist realities to fit your opinion. For example, The Democrats controlled congress for the first and last two years of the Bush administration. The Pelosi congress has had control since January of 2007, that is now nearly 4 years of setting the agenda & budget. They also failed to follow through on war investigations.
Continued, during the period where the Democrats didn't control congress they fought tooth & nail against Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac reform. Now unless you're woefully ignorant you know that those GSE's were principles in popping the bubble in 2008. I'm not a Bush fan but the facts are the facts.
Just the Facts: The Administration's Unheeded Warnings About the Systemic Risk Posed by the GSEs
@kmg501 Your link is indeciphearable. There was bipartisan blame and several layers of deceit and bad policy behind the mortgage-backed securities crisis, the result, no doubt, of a near 50-50 split of Wall Street contributions to both parties for many years. Which party, after the crisis and its devastating effects, attempted to block with unanimous opposition any attempt to reform the industry? How can you ignore this fact? In fact, Republicans vow to repeal the weak measures passed. wtf?
Just omit the spaces in the link, it works fine. As for the Republicans blocking anything, again you have to remember that they can't without some Democrats also siding with them.
Also, you know what crony capitalism is, yes? Much of our regulations aren't actually pro consumer. They are pro big business. Here is another link to read so that you can understand how D.C. really works.
tinyurl . com /govt-failer
Our major problems stem from crony capitalism, bureaucrats enable that.
@kmg501 We are in agreement, as I said, that many regulations are written by the very folks whose aim it was to regulate. But what we have seen since Jan. of '09 is that one or two Democrats, those especially elected in predominantly red states btw, oppose majority Democrat-backed legislation for dramatic reforms. There is a difference between 2 of 57 Dems in opposition to a public option and unanimous Republican opposition; or identical opposition to eliminating mortgage-backed ponzi practices.
Okay good we're getting somewhere, now lets work on tossing out all bureaucrats who keep crony capitalism in place. Crony capitalism is a form of modern mercantilism which has a long and sordid history.
@kmg501 No, the basic reality is that Bush took office in 2000 and in 2001 and 2003, with a Republican majority in the House and Senate, passed tax cuts that drove us in debt to the tune of 3.2 trillion. Don't blame Dems for that. The larger tax bill in 2003 got votes by only 2 Democratic Senators out of 48. He did the same with Medicare revisions that added $1.2 trillion to the debt; And we won't even go into the Iraq war and his lies to get us in that.
@kmg501 And you can take issue with Obama for pressuring Pelosi not to press the war investigation agenda, but given the critical economic situation, Obama, rightly or wrongly, felt that to get the economy going it would be best to work with rather than enrage Republicans. It was the wrong decision. Republicans stated over and over again and proved with their actions that the only thing they were interested in from Jan. 20 of '09 onward was to see Obama fail to get the economy to improve. FACT.
Ironically the country and the Democratic Party would be in much better shape if they spent their time on the investigations rather than the stimulus which if you knew anything about economic history was destined for failure. I hope for your sake you aren't one of those people who drank the Paul Krugman Keynesian Kool Aid.
Read & watch the following for a period in American history not widely taught in school;
@kmg501 In fact, many Republican candidates do offer something new. New and scary. You have extremist candidates talking about ending Medicare and ending or privatizing Social Security (imagine where Seniors would be today had it been done before the market crash of 08), about impeaching Obama (on birther grounds, no less) about banning all abortions, about cutting regulations even more despite the abuses already taking place. You speak in generalities, how about specifics you differ with libs?
As for your fear mongering about Republicans. What you either don't understand or don't want to admit is that the Republicans are in transition. The Tea Party has been kicking out the awful establishment and opting for mostly people who stand on constitutional principles. You do want people that stand on constitutional principle...right...?
Don't you want the awful Patriot Act repealed? How about the awful No Child Left Behind Act? And lastly, you do know this is a republic, right?
@kmg501 Yeah.. you sought us out, just to blabber on about your left wing aging hippy douch bag ideals.. Why is it a liberal feels the need to FORCE their opinion on everyone?
@SwingingDickOfDoom FORCE? I don't remember bringing a gun to the rally. I don't recall any Democrats calling for 2nd Amendment solutions if their party isn't elected this November as at least three Tea Party/Republican candidates have suggested. The GOP has no ideas the rich haven't given them. I've never been a hippy, don't use or advocate using drugs or alcohol, they merely mask reality and stifle ambition. You are free to voice YOUR opinion, as well.
I gave you five minutes to say something original and not a talking point. Democratic policies got us into the real estate crisis which caused this recession. Wall Street gives more to Dems than Repubs, as reported by the msm. It's extraordinary to say Repubs are too conservative when they are no more so than JFK was. The fact is that you have become too liberal. Nice straw man with the BP (British Petrolium) reference. Would it work better for you if it was "Republican Petroleum?"
@spankula123 The Wall Street donations split about 52-48 to whichever party is currently in power, and influence both parties. Yet it is Republicans who voted against bank reform in 2010, Two retiring Republicans voted for it. The real estate crisis had several causes, but were passed with overwhleming Republican support under a Republican adminsitration. While Barney Frank is demonized for one clause in the bill, the bill itself was written by Republican Phil Graham.
Shoot the paperboy in a free society? Drive 80 in a school zone? Ridiculous. You need to do some study on what individual rights are. Read about how your rights end where someone else rights begin and the fundamentals of property rights. Your comments are absolute hyperbole made to invoke an emotional response. How can what you say be taken seriously when you make broad absurd statements? I would urge you to look at the writings of Murray Rothbard. Check out the Mises Institute at mises.org
@berry582 I'm pretty sure he was stating that the founding fathers' vision of freedom ≠ total freedom, i.e. anarchy. More to the point, your counter-statement is completely accurate: the freedoms we enjoy are only due to the fact that there are agreed upon ideas of rights (laws, human rights, etc.) and without them you would have anarchy, or complete freedom (shooting the paperboy).
@wasabij I like what you wrote but I have to disagree about your def of Anarchy. The common understanding is just that (shooting the paperboy) but Anarchy is simply the lack of a 'state' that imposes control through the use of force. There are plenty of other structures we could conceive that would take the place of a state. Some might say that this is just a state by another name but there are many key differences. These are only ideals but we can apply them to the decisions we make.
@wasabij Sorry 500 char is not enough. You absolutely cannot examine freedom in a vacuum. "Shooting the paperboy" examines freedom from a single perspective and negates the consideration for others. This is a fallacy. Unless you live alone on an island (where there is no paperboy to shoot) freedom must be defined in the context of a society with human interaction. Thus 'total' freedom becomes an invalid qualifier. We start by society respecting the individuals rights, namely, property rights.
@berry582 You are right. Those are called "Rules," or in the legal world, "laws".
Laws are simply what a group of people have decided are things that should not be done. Complete freedom would mean there are no restrictions between each other.
@wasabij Thanks for chiming in. I remember long ago debating these issues in college and while I agree that in theory there are things we can learn from even the most extreme and radical approaches, I realize also that not all folks are truly created equal, with equal intellect, equal access to opportunity and freedom. While government cannot close all gaps, in a civilized and compassionate society, it must at least assure freedom from abuses of those whose greed and power rob others of hope.
@berry582 Rather than harp on philosophy and absurd examples, the point of the corporate abuses I give in the video, is that corporations need government regulation. Drug manufacturers hide clinical studies showing the harm of anitdepressents to children and market them worldwide; financial businesses thriving on the systematic decline of client investments, etc., whose freedom is being protected here? Government is the solution, not the problem, when it comes to protecting folks from such harm.
@huckfinn22 I made no absurd example. I pointed to the flaws in using the middle ages example as a non coercive society. In short form...drug mfgs: FDA and the revolving door of regulators HELP those studies get hidden, financial biz: the moral hazard of implicit govt bailouts contributed to that 'thriving'....the govt you love has provided you a string of 'solutions' that have continued to result in failure...and you want more of this? All the while the cost of bureaucracy bleeding us dry.
@berry582 I understand the points you make, and government will always be susceptible to corruption, particularly when rulings like Citzens United give moneyed interests greater influence on our represetatives; but these are correctable, if not wholly, then at least to some larger extent than exists today. But your misconception is that under laissez-faire policies, greed and abuse would disappear or lessen. History teaches that government responds to abuse, not the other way around.
@huckfinn22 Easy now. You just put words in my mouth. I stated a few posts ago that greed and abuse always exist. So don't say that is my misconception. I asked that since these always exist you need to convince me that government can correct these imbalances in a more efficient manner than a free market. It needs to be demonstrated how a regulator (or group) can overcome the knowledge problem and perfectly distort a market to make it 'fair'. It can't be done in 500 char. so maybe this is moot.
@berry582 We agree on the necessary length of discourse to illuminate these opinions .... lol. I hope to continue this discussion, but for now I must now go to work. I do enjoy the engagement and salute you for making me think deeper. While I feel I nor you are likely to be persuaded, it should be clear that I respect your ability to state your case, and hope yet to earn yours as well.
@berry582 The problem, in my view, in putting so much emphasis on liberty as expressed by libertarians, is that all capitalist societies, without strict government controls, inevitably evolve into a "rich get richer, poor get poorer" reality. 80% of property, financial and investment wealth in the U.S is owned by a mere 20% of the population. Under Rothbard, similar to conservative policy we have experienced, opportunities for the majority become overwhelmingly difficult and cost prohibitive.
@huckfinn22 Surely you jest. Putting Rothbard in the soup with conservatives? Conservative isn't even a word I care to use. That word belongs in the same dump with liberals, democrats and republicans. To call Rothbard a conservative is to miss the point. Conservatives love big brother just as much as liberals. The point again is the ability to legislate to ones benefit. Rothbard would never have advocated putting up legislative barriers to competition. Conservatives love to do it.
Shoot the paperboy in a free society? Drive thorough a school yard at 80? Ridiculous. You need to spend more time on the subject of individual rights. Read about how your rights end where someone else's rights begin. Right to life is an extension of property rights which is the basis of a truly free society. Your free society statements are absolute hyperbole to get an emotional response. How can those comments be taken seriously? I would urge you to look at some of the work by Murray Rothbard.
@berry582 I could add many better books on the subject to your list, they are in every Philosophy 101 syllabus; that's not the point. The absurdity of the statement is the point. The abuses we historically have tolerated from corporations and businesses in the pursuit of profit is equally absurd, but I guess you would rather be distracted with political philosophy rather than examine real-world practices.
@huckfinn22 Well we could wax poetic on how regulation is a major cause of things like the BP oil spill. We could go into the revolving door between business and regulatory agencies that exists in the 'real world' that I must be so carelessly overlooking. Your broad statements about the 'evil corporations' is just lacking substance. 500 characters isn't enough to try to correct that. Also, putting Murray Rothbard into the 'Philosophy 101' category is an insult to that mans work.
@berry582 Rothbard naively ignores common abusive business practices. His works represent an extreme position on liberty alone as the chief political, economic and ethical goal of society. To label some of his philosophy extreme is to put things mildly. His arguments fall apart when you consider that his property rights agenda would put virtually all power in the hands of the few, much like the Middle Ages. Parents able to sell their children? Businesses can racially discriminate? Extreme.
@huckfinn22 Middle ages? The price of dissent? Your head. You are looking at power through the ability to initiate violence against others. Power cannot be contained by the few without it. Some find Rothbard extreme I'll give you that but he in no way ignores abusive business pract. They exist anyways and always. We live in the 'real world', right? Question is which type of society more efficiently squashes these practices. Regulation lets govt pick winners & losers and use tax money to do it.
@berry582 In the Middle Ages, in Europe, you had a system of wealthy land barons and those at their mercy. The Magna Carta was the first significant step in changing that. You suggest as Reagan loved to say, that government is the problem. I strongly disagree. We elect those who write regulations, but when representatives are tainted by the influence of the wealthiest individuals and businesses, things fall apart. Your check and balance is revolution alone. And it would be inevitable.
@huckfinn22 Again, wealthy land barons used violent force to keep those at their mercy and themselves rich, you need to convince me that these imbalances will occur without the ability to use force. I have yet to find a substantial argument that can do so. You make that point when you mention tainting reps in your comment. The reason wealth seeks the reps is because the government has the monopoly on force and they will always work to use that. As long as that monopoly exist wealth will seek it.
You sound like a tree-hugging pussy. You complain about the radical conservatives and then prove how you're a radical liberal. You sit in front of your TV set and consider yourself educated on government.
Take a look at the businesses that the government has bought out (ie Amtrack). When the government begins running all business, we are no better than the countries our ancestors and current immigrants are RUNNING FROM.
@chicagotransam I don't see folks complaining about their Medicare or Social Security, our military or state universities. I consider myself educated on government because I studied political science in college and worked 27 years as a news reporter having covered presidents, Congressmen and more state and local politicians than I can count. People aren't fleeing their countries because of government takeover of industries, btw.
@notahemi One third of the national debt can be attributed to Bush's tax cuts, adding $3.2 trillion to the debt, passed in 2001 and 2003. Let us examine those and see who was responsible. In 2001, the bill passed the Senate with 46 Republican and 12 Democratic votes. In 2003, the larger tax cut package passed despite 198 of 205 Democrats in the House and 46 of 48 Democratic Senators voting no. Hell, even two Republicans voted for banking reform in 2010, but I think Dems get the credit.
@ElProximo my final word on this subject. I am not saying that BP intended to kill its own workers, clearly that is absurd. What I am saying is that they continued to operate under conditions which were clearly in serious violation of safety regulations. They deemed it an acceptable risk. Drunk drivers don't intend to kill others on the road. But when it happens they are guilty of negligent homocide under the law. Same here. A $1 million device, a 26500th of its 2008 profits was too much to pay.
@ElProximo What I understand and what BP did not is that after racking up more deaths, fines and civil judgements than any other corporation in the industry over the past 15 years, you would think BP would have erred on the side of caution rather than its opposite.
@ElProximo And it is not clear at all at this point whether the men on the rig were aware of the regulatory violations, the leak, the possible cement deficiencies and the absence of a working blow-out preventer on the rig. It is probably likely that most, at least, did not. Like miners sent into an unsafe mine, no one can blame the men who are basically under orders to perform their job or risk losing it. And BP has a history of risking lives apparently thinking the odds were on their side.
@ElProximo The workers still alive from that rig and the families of those not so fortunate have filed lawsuits alleging the very thing I am asserting. I guess they are wrong, too? In the Texas case, OSCHA fined BP the largest sum in corporate history and you should read the official ruling. "Callous disregard for the life and safety" and "arrogant disdain" are phrases you will find. A record court judgement against BP used even harsher language. They didn't apologize either.
@huckfinn22 Well, in ten years I think we'll view everything a little different. Like I said in another reply to your videos is that I truly believe that many of the political sides out there now (repub VS demo) is the same side of the same coin. We're just led to believe they're different but it's the same people behind them both pulling the strings.
@TheDSRegulars While I see some distinct differences, some are rather obvious, the fact that too much special interest money has neutered both parties to rapid and meaningful change is obvious as well. Both parties are afraid to make necessary tax reforms, defense cuts, serious bank, insurance and environmental regulation and a host of other needed changes. Still, House Democrats at least made significant progress toward change, it is the Senate where a few Dems and all Republicans held out.
Very well put, The Tea Party itself is actually a cruel misinterpretation of the true Tea Party Founders' views, they are disgusted that it has been hijacked by conservative neocons and Republicans that have no clue how the world of politics rotates, but are angry. They stole the platform for themselves so they could have an organized ignorance in their goals. More and more people are coming out of the woodwork armed with angry signs and little to no knowledge.
@drpeppa2357 All true and obvious as in Nevada where Sharon Angle and the Republican power brokers are branding the true Tea Party candidate in the Senate race there as a fraud. Strange year. But you cannot blame Republicans, they were desperate to rebrand themselves and usurp the energy of the Tea Partiers following Bush. I understand the anger at the way things are, but am frustrated by so many folks' inability to place the blame correctly and folks' unrealistic idea that change would be easy.
@huckfinn22 unfortunately enough history dictates a story that illustrates the predictable human nature that is frustration with government. There's a great deal of obstructionism in congress, that is to say, the kind of bills trying to be passed now are not the corporatist handouts of the bush administration. Lobbyists do have an extremely disproportionate seat in the scheme of power in things. More reason to face the campaign reform with intense scrutiny. We can't let them buy elections.
@drpeppa2357 I couldn't agree more. Well said! The single biggest reason we do not see rapid, constructive change on any front is that corporate interests have invested in both parties to assure any changes are painstakingly piecemeal at best.
BTW, I've never seen a more vicious smear campaign to date in my life. The winner for most vicious? Both candidates.
They make Sharon Angle like she wants to reward prisoners for raping women.
They make Senator Ried look as if he's trying to destroy Nevada to... I'm not quite sure. Drive down property value in California and Utah, or something?
People's anger is driving them to extremes of hatred I've never seen in my life. I wasn't around for segregation, though.
@wasabij Nevada is a microcosm of this election year; an incumbent blamed for the devastating effects of the recession in a state where growth had been a foregone conclusion until the latter stages of the Bush administration; and a political challenger whose own statements during the primary on Medicare, Social Security, the constitution and religion have come back to haunt her. Neither candidate is very articulate in selling their own agenda, so it is easier to attack the other.
@ElProximo I hate to say this, I really do, because I don't believe in insulting anyone, no matter how ridiculous their argument, but sir, you are an idiot. Under your misguided and inane fantasy world, no company has ever taken advantage of its workers in order to make a profit, or put their lives at risk. What planet do you live on? BP has a long and sordid history of putting its workers and subcontractors at great risk, and have paid hundreds of millions in fines and lawsuits as a result.
@kmg501 The list you show doesn't indicate the bias of corporate donors under $9.5 million over that time, nor does it show (nor can it show thanks to the Citizens United Supreme Court decision making unlimited anonymous donations legal) the vast amounts of individual donations from wealthy sources such as the Kochs' personal fortunes. Regardless, it is clear corporate interests taint both parties, but only Republicans block Wall Street and trade reform and policies that would curb outsourcing.
The Democrats had a super majority to push through what they wanted. The Republican were not capable of blocking anything as evidenced by the fact that the health care bill passed anyway in spite of bipartisan OPPOSITION.
As for Wall Street, you my friend have bought the big lie. Wall Street is run by progressives. Back in 2008 they dumped Hilary for Obama because he was seen as more progressive. Wall Street makes money on govt debt and largess.
And continuing on Wall Street. Right now we see real unemployment at 20-22%, Wall Street has soared in prosperity while main street and the American worker is being destroyed. Government is growing in leaps and bounds while main street is scared to death of doing anything.
I'm sorry but the establishment Democrats are every bit as bad as the establishment Republicans. That is why the American people have spontaneously formed the Tea Party movement and are tossing out incumbents.
@kmg501 The Republicans hold 41 Senate seats and have used the fillibuster rule to stop progress. 419 bills approved by the House linger in the Senate because Democrats could not get a single Republican vote, falling one vote short. These include bills to create jobs, free capital for small businesses, tax incentives to create and maintain American jobs and tax disincentives for outsourcing jobs; Super Majority my ass. Dems fell 2 votes short of a much better health care bill.
Why are you ignoring the fact that there are Democrats that don't like what the Democratic leadership is doing? Those are the people that Pelosi lost for votes. "Free capital" Wow, another economic illiterate. There is no such thing as "free capital". Government does not create jobs, ever. It can only create make-busy work. It can stay out of the way of real job creators but government produces no goods or services without involuntary monetary confiscation.
@kmg501 The outbreaks of food-borne illnesses, such as the egg and ground beef crises recently, safety violations overlooked and uninspected causing mine disasters and oil spills, the deterioration and failure to replace or repair dams and bridges, our inability to inspect shipments into our airports and harbors, our inability to stop the gun trafficking to Mexico and drug shipments from Mexico: these are just a few of the jobs government workers would be doing without Republican interference.
@kmg501 Thank you. You seem like you are familiar with Austrian Econ. Gov't as a function cannot EVER create jobs. I won't waste time here talking about price signals and the like. I recommended to huckfinn22 that he study works such as Rothbard who have made immense contributions to the study of economics and huckfinn22 relegated Rothbard to the Philosophy 101 department.
@huckfinn22 Talk about outsourcing of jobs, by insourcing illegal workers who receive gov't entitlements while getting paid under the table! Obama and all of the Democraps stood and applauded Calderone who told us how we should "reform immigration"! What nerve! Also, it was only Dems who voted NOT to make English our official language. If they want to represent Mexicans, let them move to Mexico! All they want is their votes!
@sosadforcountry Ok, constitutionalist; where in the Constitution does it say we must have an official language? Most citizens in this country got here because of forefathers who came to escape the same hopelessness of economi opportunity or persecution that brings over our borders today. At least Democrats have proposed solutions to give these folks an avenue towards citizenship over time while paying a fine and requiring legal status to work. What have Republicans proposed? Nothing.
@huckfinn22 It has always been implied that English was our language. It shouldn't even come up for a vote! Most citizens ancestors were immigrants who came in the front door and were PROUD to learn the language and call themselves American. Americans should not have to listen to a failure of a Mexican leader to tell them how to run their immigration laws. Why should they be given a "path" to citizenship, especially during a deep recession?
" ... insourcing illegal workers who receive gov't entitlements while getting paid under the table!"
Spoken as one who does not know anyone person receiving welfare. Bottom line: You must be a citizen to receive welfare, medicare or any other government program.
And, where oh where is your moron-strength outrage for the billions in government dollars given away free to corporations each year, or the loopholes allowing corporations to cheat the tax man? Free ride 4 who?
@bapyou That is just crazy talk! It is well known that you do not have to be a citizen to receive welfare! They can't even ASK them if they are illegal! I have stood behind countless illegals who can't even speak the language to understand that they can't receive certain items before a certain date and they just swipe their "food card" to pay for the overloaded cart full of food!
I've heard even Dems speak about the subsidies given to illegals. What you say is nonsense!
@sosadforcountry Sorry, idiot: You must be a citizen to receive welfare of any sort. You are just a fucking idiot.
But, then, if you are a so-called "conservative," you are an idiot.
And note you say nothing at all -- and are incapable of saying anything at all -- concerning my other comment, namely:
Where is your moron-strength outrage for the billions in government $ given away free to corporations each year, or the loopholes allowing corporations to cheat the tax man?
@bapyou I'm sorry but it is the pot calling the kettle black. How come these supposed "citizens" can't speak the language and yet possess a food card?
@bapyou You don't think O is giving the same tax breaks for his cronies who support him?
These tax breaks should only be given to those companies who hire out-of-work Americans and whgo promise to keep their company in the U.S. Did I EVER say that I supported Bush? NO!
Dude you're talking like the Confederate rhetoric like the slaves taking "your job" if they get off the plantation; no fool they have your job now. Same thing.
Jobs relocate to Mexico and the factory workers in the rust belt become unemployed. Unemployment leads to crime, not income (look at Chicago 60's and contemporary Chicago; income relatively same, joblessness up, victimization rate sky rocketed).
The irony of you guys drinking hatorade and wanting to purge the mexs
@sharktrinity I am not drinking "hatorade" and I don't want to purge Mexicans. It isn't just Mexicans coming here. They are just the majority. I do not support anyone coming here and marching in our streets demanding their "rights" while waving their Mexican flag and chanting that they are taking back "their" country.
In the 90's I had 5 exchange students from different countries.
Two were from S.A. One came back after marrying and the two of them paid a lawyer to get green cards.
@sosadforcountry I do not have a problem with anyone coming here legally, learning the language and assimilating to our culture instead of trying to take it over. The ones who marched in D.C. were told by their organizers NOT to wave the Mecican flag, but they couldn't help themselves and did it anyway. This just causes anger. The ones who came thru Ellis Island were proud to call themselves American and insisted that their kids speak only English.
a) Those guys waving their flags are typically second generation - chicano's (look up the term to know the difference) - that are in your face anyhow that are citizens because they were born here. Most immigrants are quiet and intelligently anonymitic.
b) Sounds like the lawyer should be the one subject to legal sanction for providing false green cards. Another argument commonly left out by fear mongers; who's providing/and profiting, off supplying false documentation?
all I hear is "they're taking tax payer funded benefits." Well how about some accountability in the debate about hammering out the providers of fake information needed to get benefits in the first place. I guess they don't count b.c we can sympathize with their "just trying to make it" illegal process, but not aliens.
is that you're backing politicians that want unrestricted internat'l trade which is how the immigrants fund the trip for being able to migrate here in the 1st place. Before they had no job at all, now they work in US factories indigenous to Mex now, use their $3/hr pay to relocate their family to the land of opportunity. Also the politicians you back are against worker passes that promote circular migration. Most don't want to sever family ties; they want to make $ and come
OK, now I am told that these people use their $3/hr. pay to relocate their family, but another poster said that these people don't receive welfare. Can you tell me how they only receive $3. (a myth, as I know some people who have tried to hire them and they turned their noses up at $10. per hour), and manage to relocate their families without welfare or subsidies? It isn't possible!
These are processes going on to migrate to the states, before they are in the country. Where are you coming up with these government assistance programs and hiring amounts?
US businesses relocate their production facilities south of the border under new "Free" trade guidelines which allow them to take no loss for hiring indigenous Mexicans to do it for 1/3rd the price of Americans, while continuing to live here. If anyone is a fee lunch leech
it's the the businesses using our highways for their shipping, parks and rec for discretionary time, entering their kids in district athletics, etc. etc. that are making dollars off the Mexican standard of living in a country where in theory our pooled services are tax proportional to the cost of living/what we want. That's if the even bother with the IRS in the first place vs. hiding behind tax loopholes or havens (approx. 40% of US Corporations pay zero income tax at all).
and go. When there is no pass, they make the sacrifice to sever ties and stay since they're here they don't want to risk losing it. Most of these areas where "immigrant problems" are the worst (AZ, South TX) are right on the border, and most would work in the US during the day, and go back to their MEX border towns at night.
You sir are an imbecile. It's not the politician that are the problem; they're simply saying what they need to get in power. They're a reflection of
the mob, which increasingly is becoming retarded and cynical (that's right you fuckers known as "we the people" are the ones driving the cynicism) while rolling back actually doing proper diligence on familiarizing themselves with th
The Democratic Party has and always will be the Party of Slavery, now Debt Slavery, Wage Slavery and every other way they can enslave the American people. It has only been the Populists who have fought to bring power back to the people and their nemesis has always been the leadership of the Democratic Party, even when the Populists have had to work within that Party because of its near-total control of the Southern vote through scare tactics.
We need to vote against all Democrats!
cpklapper 2 months ago
@cpklapper Southern Democrats who embraced segregation overwhelmingly left the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights legislation of '64. Today, you see their remains in the Republican-passed Voter ID and anti voter registration laws. As for wage slavery, maybe you can name me 5 Republicans who ever voted to raise the minimum wage. Those on minimum wage today have seen a 9.2 percent actual decline in wages over the past 15 years. That's 30 percent of all workers over 25. TV stuck on FOX News?
huckfinn22 2 months ago 2
@huckfinn22 I am well aware of the conservative wing of the Republican Party making a deal with the devil by taking in the Dixiecrats and thus winning the nomination for Goldwater over Rockefeller. However, not all Southern Democrats left the Democratic Party. Its policies plowed new ground for slavery that didn't require the overt racism of its past. The minimum wage is a case in point: instead of redistributing the wealth, a la Huey Long, minimum wage yokes the poor to their jobs.
cpklapper 2 months ago
You do know who those Wall Street CEOs getting the big bonuses are, don't you Huck? They were and are the Return on Equity Gang and their representative in Congress, then-Senator Jon S. Corzine, head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. If there is any one person responsible for the financial meltdown it was Corzine and he was the one who brokered the deal between the RoE Gang and Senate Democrats to fund the capture of the Senate with the theft of pension funds.
cpklapper 2 months ago
@cpklapper Yeah, this is why Wall Street is funding Republican Scott Brown's campaign against Democrat Elizabeth Warren and why every Republican in the Senate and all but a handful in the House voted against Wall Street reforms, are blocking the Consumer Protection appointment of Cordray and are now vowing repeal of even the modest reforms passed. You are really creepy,
huckfinn22 2 months ago
@huckfinn22 Wall Street has all sides with some companies placing their money in both camps. Corzine's "genius" was in brokering a deal with his RoE cronies on the Street (O'Neal at Merrill when I worked there) to buy the US Senate. And, yes, Corzine is very creepy.
cpklapper 2 months ago
@cpklapper And let me be clear what I mean about creepy ... your logic would suggest that because Corzine (a New Jersey Dem who along with a few other Northeast Dems, were unduly influenced by the lure of Wall Street money) was singly responsible as if the votes of all those Republicans, virtually all of them, with Gingrich as their leader, didn't matter. Which party backed 401 K's in place of guaranteed pensions and are now seeking to add Social Security to Wall Street's clutches?
huckfinn22 2 months ago
@huckfinn22 The votes of Democratic Senators were need for the bailouts, both Bush's and Obama's, and they wouldn't have been there if Corzine didn't line up the Wall Street money to buy their election. Yet those campaign funds came from manipulating the financial structure to maximize returns on a depleted equity. It was a simple quid pro quo.
As far as 401K's are concerned, they did work until the RoE Gang worked their "wizadry". So did CMOs, until the RoE's credit default swaps.
cpklapper 2 months ago
The funniest thing about this guy here is that he and ignorant people like him believe there's a two party system when in fact it's fucking two card monte. Left. Right. Either way we all loose. That's why I thank God there is a new movement called the Tea Party. What will happen however is the Tea Party will be infiltrated so they can maintain their ruling establishment under the guise
that they are elected Democratically. Intelligent people know that it's all an illusion. Wake up!
PhilAOFish 5 months ago
@PhilAOFish The Tea Party is lock, stock, and barrel extreme-right Republican; and has largely been funded by former Libertarians, now ultra conservative, billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch. It has been their 59 billion-dollar fortune that has funded not only the organization Americans for Prosperity that sponsored and bussed folks to Tea Party Rallies, but also funded dozens of attacks on environmental regulation, climate change science, health care reform and tax hikes.
huckfinn22 5 months ago
@PhilAOFish The Tea Party is lock, stock and barrel extreme-right Republican; largely funded by ultra conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch. Their 59 billion-dollar fortune has funded the organization Americans for Prosperity that sponsored and bussed folks to Tea Party Rallies, and funded dozens of attacks on environmental regulation, climate change science, health care reform and tax hikes. Wake Up!
huckfinn22 5 months ago 3
just curious about your thought on Giuliani,he decided not to run anymore but why do you think he switched from democrat to republican,odd thing is when he was a dem they hated him now they don't he was the only one to clean up the streets in NY but people only choose to pick at his marriage i do not pretend to know about politics because honestly i don't i am purely couch politician and vote according to what i see on tv which i know is probably a bad idea but there are many of us that do that.
johndebbra 9 months ago
@johndebbra Thanks for watching. Guliana has moderate to liberal views on some social issues which will make it impossible for him to snare the Republican nomination. Fiscally and on foreign policy, his present record is typical Republican. He advocated the Bush tax cuts, wants them permanent, and this alone has added $3 trillion to our debt. He was among the staunchest supporters of the Iraq war, and supports a Ryan-like privatiizing of Medicare. No thanks. Maybe an attorney general.
huckfinn22 9 months ago
Wow I know this is an old video...but your smarter than you look..(a compliment) and your preaching to the quire. But you talk the truth...but you forgot to mention that they also do it cause My President Obama is BLACK. and thats why they do it also.
heyxilong 9 months ago
@heyxilong Ah, so the TEA party is actually in favor of socialized medicine, massive government spending, over-regulation, being friendly with our enemies, alienating our allies, etc, and they would support all of those things *if only he were white*?
shamgar001 9 months ago
@shamgar001 yep..look at all the bullshit bush got thru cause he was one of yall....i didnt see any tea pottiers whenbush was killing the economy. dont hide racism with that fake concern over the economy..you fucking hypocrits.
heyxilong 9 months ago
@heyxilong First off, the TEA parties started during the Bush admin, but they didn't get press coverage until Obama. Libertarians (the original TEA party) were against Bush from the beginning.
Second, the Federal Reserve is far more to blame than Bush for the crisis.
Third, it's true, there are some people who are more anti-Obama than pro-economy, but has it occurred to you that maybe it's just because he's a Democrat, not because he's black? Of course not.
shamgar001 9 months ago
David Harvey: A Brief History of Neoliberalism.
bapyou 1 year ago
Would you like some Ice for that rearend im sure since the mids and the spanking the Dems got you might need it. don't get me wrong I'm not a Repokin (that was on purpose) either I am a free thinking American and the truth is both main stream parties are owned and operated by the Federal Reserve Bank owners, thats right the fed is a private bank and its in the same bizz as any other bank making money but they can't fail because they print the money. Why is that anyway?
myteepatriot 1 year ago
@myteepatriot The truth is the Republicans in Congress have a lower approval rating than even Dems. he midterms were not a referendum on Democrats, but on the economy and because we have a less than astute public, they tend to do this a lot, vote out whoever is in power for the sake of change when things are bad, without analyzing the cause of the problems or the obstacles in the way of the changes they seek. I am far more concerned about corporate influence on Congress than the Fed. sorry.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@myteepatriot Amen Brother! you got it fuggn pegged!
kevsart 1 year ago
This swingingdick guy is preaching to the wrong choir, more hyperbolic bullshit "NAZI" this and "HITLER" that is not striking a chord with me. You want my attention, give me facts. Cold. Hard. Facts. Not opinions, not distorted history. facts.
This all comes at the heels of the 200 million dollar/day allegations of president Obama's travel expenditures, already dismissed by the assistant secretary of defense as quote "Wildly inflated". They're happy to smear, not so much to fact check.
drpeppa2357 1 year ago
@drpeppa2357 I took a moment to review some of Swinging's comments. After further review, I blocked him. I rarely, if ever, do that, and it has nothing to do with his personal insults of me. My videos get their share of that like most folks. When folks are unable to convey a thought without using the most extreme, hateful and intolerant language, I must draw the line. One comment like that is one thing, repeated comments only displays an intolerance and immaturity none of us need to witness.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I'll spare the rest of you the the google search
I could give a flying crap about the political process. Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. We’re an entertainment company - Glenn Beck of Fox "News" to Forbes Magazine 4/26/10
sharktrinity 1 year ago
Huck - You make a lot of sense, but you're wrong about some things. Saying Democrats are pro-union ignores many historical facts: such as Harry Truman's post-war union-busting (which outstripped Ronald Reagan's), and the fact that Truman was the originator of the anti-commie witch hunts that evolved into McCarthyism; a good deal of which focused on communists in unions.
Fact is, during the 1930s, millions of Americans joined leftist organizations. FDR saved capitalism for America.
bapyou 1 year ago
Huck! Where is the new political post you promised!? I was really looking forward to something before the election. :(
shadowfaxx1 1 year ago
@shadowfaxx1 If you send me a personal message or friend request, I will reply to your question, but I would rather not explain it here. Thanks for the question, though.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
is it just me or does this dipshit look like a retarded version of Stephen Hawking?
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago 2
@SwingingDickOfDoom Judging on your screen name and your penchant for judging people on their appearance, clearly there is nothing here for you. Go back to eating your boogers while watcing Martin Luther Beck. BTW, bet you aren't so hot yourself.
shadowfaxx1 1 year ago
@shadowfaxx1 awww did you get offended? You should be more tolerant of others little fella. Why is it people think just because they think a certain way that others should follow that line of thought? I am an ugly mother fucker. thats why i do not have videos of myself, there are enough ugly fucks on youtube already. Too bad this guy couldnt spare us.. Now go sit down with a nice big handful of antidepresants and enjoy some more brain washing left wing media. you fuckin pussy.
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom you are blocked. I'm a tolerant guy ... to a point.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
There's a deeper problem to our economy than you see. The economic collapse should be blamed on the Federal Reserve and Keynesian economists. The same people who worked under Bush are the same people that work for Obama. Their policies(artificially low interest rates and printing money) have manipulated individuals and companies to keep spending money until they were too far into debt. This only benefits the rich people who convinced us to establish the Federal Reserve.
hodoprime 1 year ago 2
@hodoprime You, my friend, have been watching FOX News. I can always tell. The rants against the UK economist's theory of tax cuts ans government spending to stimulate recovery in recessions and tax hikes and spending cuts in times of economic expansion has not only been a sound economic formula, it has been so successful (when applied) that virtually all capitalist societies in the world subscribed to it with tremendous success. The problem is Reagan and Bush who used supply side theory.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 FOX.. that is you and your ilks default response to everything. they are ONE network!! The problem with media and all the retards like yourself are known as NBC ABC CBC CNN MSNBC CSPAN just about ALL Newspapers and NPR PBS and all the other left wing cool aid distributors. These ALL parralle the Nazi propoganda machine, albeit much softer edged, but still the same thing as the German Volksempfaenger of the 1930s and 40s, then listening was mandatory.. now its voluntary..
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom CBS i mean not CBC that was a typo (one of many that i make from time to time) please dont send me to a leftist spelling concentration camp
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom
God, you fucking right-wingers are just unremitting assholes; just assholes up and down the block. One asshole after another.
Hitler, you stupid fuck, was right-wing: he was supported by Germany's wealthiest families; sent communists to the gas chambers; & saved Germany from communist revolution.
If anyone is fascist, it's right-wingers like you. Loved the guy stepping on the woman at the Rand Paul gathering last week. Just like Hilter's brownshirts. Fucking idiots.
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou You are completely mistaken.. Hitler was a leftist, read history jack ass. And Fuck Rand Paul!
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@bapyou Look at all that the Reich did during that time: took over private business, nationalized labor unions, controled the media 100%, took over the health system completely, nationalized the police force, demonized ALL opposition, destroyed the old currency and replaced it with Reichmarks, trained children in National Socialist German Workers Party ideals from birth (NASDP), Censorship of all communications, on and on and on the paralles to the modern leftist are stunning.. Wake up jackass!
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@bapyou Did you know that Russia was Hitlers allie before Hitler attacked them??? Communists were so close to Facists the two were allies!!! But Hitler was a fucking lunatic and attacked them, big mistake for a guy trying to take over the world.. thus, thank god he lost the war... Well we smashed his leftist ass!
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom is an asshole: From the History Learning Site:
1918. Hitler employed by German gov as a V-Man. His job: visiting political organisations to see if they're right, centre or left wing. Both the government & army want to know who is socialist or communist.
1919. Hitler joins German Workers' Party, its name suggesting socialist leanings with its "workers'" tag. In fact, the GWP is an extreme, anti-Semitic, anti-communist, right wing nationalist party led by Karl Drexler.
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou You have proved my point.. thanks! A "workers" party of the early 1900s is much like the Progressives and liberals here in early 2000s. You think you have found some kinda of proof that your leftist nazis arent dick heads? Well shit head keep reading history, youll figure it out!
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom is a moron.
"You have proved my point."
No, I've disproved your idiotic point that Hitler was some sort of "leftist."
"...keep reading history, youll figure it out!"
Sorry, little boy, it is you who needs to pick up a history book: Hitler sent communists to the camps along with the Jews and he was backed by Germany's wealthiest families (Krupp et al). Hitler saved Germany from communist revolution.
Like all conservatives, you're a know-nothing dolt.
bapyou 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom
PBS is public television you imbecile!
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sharktrinity Is it? Is it really? look at the propaganda that they have been spreading for decades, sure some of the shows are pretty good.. but the over all message is leftist.. PBS is just another one of the many ways you have been indoctrinated to the status quo. You probably hate FOX too just like the rest of these dumbasses. Keep up the softshoe goosestep bubba. Your liberal utopia is just around the corner!
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom
I can pay to go on PBS and tell people that Swinging Dick of Doom is all of .01mm long. PBS is apples and oranges to single payers dominating networks with an agenda. Now you guys have got my hair standing up comparing the last source of sane television to mainstream or even Fox News Entertainment.
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sharktrinity
Hey dick of doom, why don't you google what Glenn Beck said to Forbes magazine the week after the Coffee-Party tax protests. 4/26/10, see if you still feel like Fox News is a "balanced source" with a mission to serve up the truth and not at the top of the heap of those bending you over with your own stupidity in order to get your money!
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sharktrinity Glen Beck is ONE PERSON.. ONE OPINION jack ass! What about Keith Olberman?? Does he speak for all of MSNBC? NO STUPID!
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago 2
@SwingingDickOfDoom
Olberman is not PBS. I think I'm going to leave you be. Interacting with you is making me dumber.
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sharktrinity PBS is SHIT!
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@hodoprime In fairness, there has been too much spending all around, good times and bad, Defense spending in particular. The Fed is a whole 'nother story and it IS time to look at that. But Clinton is the only adminsitration in the last 36 years that attempted to apply Keynes formula, but while the economy boomed and the debt shrunk, the GOP railed against defense cuts and tax hikes. Go figure.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Lol, I do watch Fox News. I don't agree with them though. Republicans lack principles. They talk like they want to cut spending but have no kahones to do it because they know it will cost votes and campaign contributions. The UK used to be a great country in the 19th century but their time has passed just like ours will and I predict it will only get worse. Keynesian economics destroys wealth.
hodoprime 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Furthermore, I have a ton of things I want to spend on that would do better than a centralized government would w/ the same money. If I had a little more money, I'd hire people to start fixing stuff around my house among other things. I can stimulate the economy myself & the people I pay would make profits. Governments don't make profits with the money I give them. I give them money and they still run into debt. Thx for being cool & responding. It's a pretty big deal to me too
hodoprime 1 year ago
Dear Aging Liberal Hippy Douche, Why the hell did you sent me and the rest of these people whom were minding their own business a link to your leftist video brain fart? And why are you surprised that we actually have a different view than yourself, and are just as articulate about expressing it. Why do you and your leftist comrads continue to think you are so much smarter than the rest of the population? Guess what Adolf.. your little game of liberal fascism wont fly with me.
Doom
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom As I find with a good many name-calling ranters who speak before they think, you seem incapable of distinguishing communism from socialism from fascism. Hitler had storm troopers and Brown shirts who attended rallies with weapons to intimidate and raise fear ... sound familiar? Mao purged the Communist Party of all who dared to challenge any but the purest of his parties views ... sound familiar? The Soviets invested in war and weaponry over the plight of citizens ... hmmmm
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 They are all of the same cloth. Varied degrees of force and intimidation tactics. but Socialism, Communism, Fascism all stem from the same mind set(s) as your buddies. Look at all the funerals, peacefull Tea Party rallies, Troop Home comings, etc Spitting on soldiers, Throwing trash, inciting riots, screaming and near violent protests of everything, from private business to acts of mother nature. Wake up jack ass, you are willingly walking on the road to fascism!
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago 2
@SwingingDickOfDoom What planet and decade are you talking about? There is a systematic effort by extreme religious fundamentalists to shut down abortion clinics by assassination of abortion doctors, an extreme religious fanatic who is using his homophobia to blame gays for God's wrath on our war dead and is holding loud obnoxious demonstrations at military funerals, These are not liberals. If you mean groups interfering with illegal whaling practices, ok, but the WTO anarchists are libertarians
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 You know damn good and well what i am talking about. Dont blame this on religious fundementalists.. You know exactly what i am referring to.. And if you dont, you have completely closed your eyes to the truth of your kindred kind. Sit there and pretend you have some how elevated yourself intellectually above everyone else, pretend the things im saying never happened, just keep drinking the cool aid. Go get fitted for your Brown Shirt (or code pink or what the fuck ever you call it)
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 sucking a child out of a womb with a straw is a shitty thing to do. i dont give a fuck what religion someone clings too.
They certainly are liberals doing these things!! "God Loves Dead Soldiers"??? LIBERAL SIGN HOLDER.. Anarchists? Really? Do you really think Anarchists exsist? By the very nature of the word, they would render themselves out of exsistance. Libertarians? Really? People that dont want Gov intrusion and just want to live thier life free, are your enemy?
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
Tea Party anger is misdirected at Dems? Uh, Tea party anger reaches across the Isle, the blame lies on both parties shoulders... Now can Tea Party Canidates do any better? I have no Idea, But lets look at alot of failed polices that have been imposed on the american people and truy to find solutions instead of running around yelling Demmocrats bad democrats bad or republicans bad republicans bad, An for the Love of God stop sticking up for Obama!
MrEhud77 1 year ago
@MrEhud77 The problem with the Tea Party movement is that whatever principles of good governance at its heart, the brand itself has been usurped by fringe Republican-leaning extremists who say they are constitutionalists yet would repeal or misinterpret provisions in it, who speak of individual liberties but would dictate when life begins and ends and who can marry who; who fail to recognize a fundamental American principle, the freedom of religious expression. And you fear Obama?
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 are you currently sleeping with Keith Olberman?
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Obama is too radical, as are most politicians we have in office on both sides. I don't agree with abortion, I don't agree with gay marriage either but the main problem we are facing today (that the government can fix anyway) is the problem of economics, Both parties have been destroying this country day after day by spending like drunken sailors for far too long. WTO agreements and NAFTA have driven our jobs overseas and THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH! We don't need a narcisist ...
MrEhud77 1 year ago 2
@huckfinn22 ...Like Obama Anywhere near washington at this time, this My way or the Highway nonsense has to stop. We elect Politicans to Administer the Constitution and come up with viable solutions for national and global issuses, we don't elect pioliticans to try to force a Green Econmy down our throats or try to tell us all what to believe religiously or morally (which both parties try to do to some extent).
MrEhud77 1 year ago
Folks have forgotten that the economy we have today, was not created in 1980. We have acculmulated debt since the begining of the country. In recent history its been accelerating at an alarming rate. People are waking up (maybe to late) Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama didnt cause this individually, they have out done each other every 4 years. But the problems go back to Carter, Ford, JFK, FDR, Hoover admins. each closer to socialism for 75 years. Social programs Kill economies!! Just ask the USSR!
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom Reagan took office with a total national debt of just under $1 tillion. In eight years, he tripled it to $2.8 trillion, largely due to massive tax cuts, increased defense spending and the systematic destruction of unions in this country which had helped to balance wealth between large prosperous companies and their workers. Clinton lowered the debt with surpluses, and was on target to eliminate it by 2006, until Bush broke all records. Entitlements had no bearing.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 the myth that Clinton lowed the national debt is a fucking lie. The Debt rose on the same line as the prior admin. More people being born.. Now Clinton did manage to put some money back in the pot.. BY SELLING NATONAL DEFENSE SECRETS AND WEAPONS ALOND WITH MANUFACTURING OF JUST ABOUT EVERY FUCKING THING ELSE TO FUCKING COMMUNIST CHINA. So yeah, i guess mortgaging our freedom to a China helped shine a good light on Clintons reign
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom If Bush and Wall Street hadn't devasted the economy with millions of lost jobs, Medicare and Social Security would need minor adjustments to stay solvent into mid-century or beyond. When folks aren't contributing into them, things go bad fast. The USSR, and I am no proponent of communism, failed due to exhorbitant defense spending and a disastrous war strategy in Afghanistan. It was doomed to fail, regardless.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 it was your precious left wing media that set the Wall Street fire. Constantly saying "resession" day in and day out.. It was just another way they hoped to get Bush impeached. Youll argue that point i know. But its what happened. Since 2000 the left media plotted to destroy Bush, at any cost. Turns out it cost us a good economy. The left took congress and continued the drum beat of CNN, NBC, ABC, NY Times, and all the other leftist propoganda machinery.
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
I believe in most cases, I sent this out cautioning Republican and Tea Party enthusiasts to skip watching this and move on, but apparently many could not resist watching and giving me a piece of their mind. That's ok, I am willing to debate anyone on policy, but offensive personal remarks will be deleted. My intention was to motivate Democrats to vote, not persuade others from their beliefs. My thanks to everyone who took the time to watch.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22
You actively sent the message to people like myself. So I have a hard time believing that you didn't want debate. Don't you think that debate is good? Let me give you an example, I was born & raised in NYC. As a consequence for much of my younger life I was a progressive liberal. But because of national problems and life experiences I learned along the way that those spoon fed positions were all wrong and based on fallacies.
Debate is part of the fitness test of ideas.
kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501 I don't shy away from debate, as my replies show; but neither did I post this for that purpose. I hoped to motivate folks who out of frustration might not vote. Those who voted against Obama in '08 are already motivated, so sending this video could only help Democrats. Republicans for two years have shown no regard for the jobless, economic growth or Wall Street reform, merely retaining power by thwarting all legislation. Their policies got us here and they offer nothing new.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22
It's pretty obvious that you're a blinded partisan given how much you ignore basic facts and twist realities to fit your opinion. For example, The Democrats controlled congress for the first and last two years of the Bush administration. The Pelosi congress has had control since January of 2007, that is now nearly 4 years of setting the agenda & budget. They also failed to follow through on war investigations.
kmg501 1 year ago
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@kmg501
Continued, during the period where the Democrats didn't control congress they fought tooth & nail against Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac reform. Now unless you're woefully ignorant you know that those GSE's were principles in popping the bubble in 2008. I'm not a Bush fan but the facts are the facts.
Just the Facts: The Administration's Unheeded Warnings About the Systemic Risk Posed by the GSEs
tinyurl . com /yyd3uey
watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501 Your link is indeciphearable. There was bipartisan blame and several layers of deceit and bad policy behind the mortgage-backed securities crisis, the result, no doubt, of a near 50-50 split of Wall Street contributions to both parties for many years. Which party, after the crisis and its devastating effects, attempted to block with unanimous opposition any attempt to reform the industry? How can you ignore this fact? In fact, Republicans vow to repeal the weak measures passed. wtf?
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22
Just omit the spaces in the link, it works fine. As for the Republicans blocking anything, again you have to remember that they can't without some Democrats also siding with them.
Also, you know what crony capitalism is, yes? Much of our regulations aren't actually pro consumer. They are pro big business. Here is another link to read so that you can understand how D.C. really works.
tinyurl . com /govt-failer
Our major problems stem from crony capitalism, bureaucrats enable that.
kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501 We are in agreement, as I said, that many regulations are written by the very folks whose aim it was to regulate. But what we have seen since Jan. of '09 is that one or two Democrats, those especially elected in predominantly red states btw, oppose majority Democrat-backed legislation for dramatic reforms. There is a difference between 2 of 57 Dems in opposition to a public option and unanimous Republican opposition; or identical opposition to eliminating mortgage-backed ponzi practices.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22
Okay good we're getting somewhere, now lets work on tossing out all bureaucrats who keep crony capitalism in place. Crony capitalism is a form of modern mercantilism which has a long and sordid history.
kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501 No, the basic reality is that Bush took office in 2000 and in 2001 and 2003, with a Republican majority in the House and Senate, passed tax cuts that drove us in debt to the tune of 3.2 trillion. Don't blame Dems for that. The larger tax bill in 2003 got votes by only 2 Democratic Senators out of 48. He did the same with Medicare revisions that added $1.2 trillion to the debt; And we won't even go into the Iraq war and his lies to get us in that.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@kmg501 And you can take issue with Obama for pressuring Pelosi not to press the war investigation agenda, but given the critical economic situation, Obama, rightly or wrongly, felt that to get the economy going it would be best to work with rather than enrage Republicans. It was the wrong decision. Republicans stated over and over again and proved with their actions that the only thing they were interested in from Jan. 20 of '09 onward was to see Obama fail to get the economy to improve. FACT.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
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@huckfinn22
Ironically the country and the Democratic Party would be in much better shape if they spent their time on the investigations rather than the stimulus which if you knew anything about economic history was destined for failure. I hope for your sake you aren't one of those people who drank the Paul Krugman Keynesian Kool Aid.
Read & watch the following for a period in American history not widely taught in school;
tinyurl . com /26oo4bn
watch?v=czcUmnsprQI
kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501 In fact, many Republican candidates do offer something new. New and scary. You have extremist candidates talking about ending Medicare and ending or privatizing Social Security (imagine where Seniors would be today had it been done before the market crash of 08), about impeaching Obama (on birther grounds, no less) about banning all abortions, about cutting regulations even more despite the abuses already taking place. You speak in generalities, how about specifics you differ with libs?
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22
As for your fear mongering about Republicans. What you either don't understand or don't want to admit is that the Republicans are in transition. The Tea Party has been kicking out the awful establishment and opting for mostly people who stand on constitutional principles. You do want people that stand on constitutional principle...right...?
Don't you want the awful Patriot Act repealed? How about the awful No Child Left Behind Act? And lastly, you do know this is a republic, right?
kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501 Yeah.. you sought us out, just to blabber on about your left wing aging hippy douch bag ideals.. Why is it a liberal feels the need to FORCE their opinion on everyone?
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago
@SwingingDickOfDoom FORCE? I don't remember bringing a gun to the rally. I don't recall any Democrats calling for 2nd Amendment solutions if their party isn't elected this November as at least three Tea Party/Republican candidates have suggested. The GOP has no ideas the rich haven't given them. I've never been a hippy, don't use or advocate using drugs or alcohol, they merely mask reality and stifle ambition. You are free to voice YOUR opinion, as well.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
I gave you five minutes to say something original and not a talking point. Democratic policies got us into the real estate crisis which caused this recession. Wall Street gives more to Dems than Repubs, as reported by the msm. It's extraordinary to say Repubs are too conservative when they are no more so than JFK was. The fact is that you have become too liberal. Nice straw man with the BP (British Petrolium) reference. Would it work better for you if it was "Republican Petroleum?"
spankula123 1 year ago 2
@spankula123 The Wall Street donations split about 52-48 to whichever party is currently in power, and influence both parties. Yet it is Republicans who voted against bank reform in 2010, Two retiring Republicans voted for it. The real estate crisis had several causes, but were passed with overwhleming Republican support under a Republican adminsitration. While Barney Frank is demonized for one clause in the bill, the bill itself was written by Republican Phil Graham.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
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@huckfinn22 said: "The Wall Street donations split about 52-48 to whichever party is currently in power..."
Contrary to liberal mythology, Wall Street is dominated by progressive ideology for a simple reason, they make money on big govt largess and debt.
Read this all the way to the end:
huffingtonpost . com /charles-gasparino /post_854_b_718393 . html
kmg501 1 year ago
Shoot the paperboy in a free society? Drive 80 in a school zone? Ridiculous. You need to do some study on what individual rights are. Read about how your rights end where someone else rights begin and the fundamentals of property rights. Your comments are absolute hyperbole made to invoke an emotional response. How can what you say be taken seriously when you make broad absurd statements? I would urge you to look at the writings of Murray Rothbard. Check out the Mises Institute at mises.org
berry582 1 year ago
@berry582 I'm pretty sure he was stating that the founding fathers' vision of freedom ≠ total freedom, i.e. anarchy. More to the point, your counter-statement is completely accurate: the freedoms we enjoy are only due to the fact that there are agreed upon ideas of rights (laws, human rights, etc.) and without them you would have anarchy, or complete freedom (shooting the paperboy).
wasabij 1 year ago
@wasabij I like what you wrote but I have to disagree about your def of Anarchy. The common understanding is just that (shooting the paperboy) but Anarchy is simply the lack of a 'state' that imposes control through the use of force. There are plenty of other structures we could conceive that would take the place of a state. Some might say that this is just a state by another name but there are many key differences. These are only ideals but we can apply them to the decisions we make.
berry582 1 year ago
@wasabij Sorry 500 char is not enough. You absolutely cannot examine freedom in a vacuum. "Shooting the paperboy" examines freedom from a single perspective and negates the consideration for others. This is a fallacy. Unless you live alone on an island (where there is no paperboy to shoot) freedom must be defined in the context of a society with human interaction. Thus 'total' freedom becomes an invalid qualifier. We start by society respecting the individuals rights, namely, property rights.
berry582 1 year ago
@berry582 You are right. Those are called "Rules," or in the legal world, "laws".
Laws are simply what a group of people have decided are things that should not be done. Complete freedom would mean there are no restrictions between each other.
wasabij 1 year ago
@wasabij Thanks for chiming in. I remember long ago debating these issues in college and while I agree that in theory there are things we can learn from even the most extreme and radical approaches, I realize also that not all folks are truly created equal, with equal intellect, equal access to opportunity and freedom. While government cannot close all gaps, in a civilized and compassionate society, it must at least assure freedom from abuses of those whose greed and power rob others of hope.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@wasabij does complete freedom give me the paperboy (using the example) the freedom not to get shot?
berry582 1 year ago
@berry582 Rather than harp on philosophy and absurd examples, the point of the corporate abuses I give in the video, is that corporations need government regulation. Drug manufacturers hide clinical studies showing the harm of anitdepressents to children and market them worldwide; financial businesses thriving on the systematic decline of client investments, etc., whose freedom is being protected here? Government is the solution, not the problem, when it comes to protecting folks from such harm.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 I made no absurd example. I pointed to the flaws in using the middle ages example as a non coercive society. In short form...drug mfgs: FDA and the revolving door of regulators HELP those studies get hidden, financial biz: the moral hazard of implicit govt bailouts contributed to that 'thriving'....the govt you love has provided you a string of 'solutions' that have continued to result in failure...and you want more of this? All the while the cost of bureaucracy bleeding us dry.
berry582 1 year ago
@berry582 I understand the points you make, and government will always be susceptible to corruption, particularly when rulings like Citzens United give moneyed interests greater influence on our represetatives; but these are correctable, if not wholly, then at least to some larger extent than exists today. But your misconception is that under laissez-faire policies, greed and abuse would disappear or lessen. History teaches that government responds to abuse, not the other way around.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Easy now. You just put words in my mouth. I stated a few posts ago that greed and abuse always exist. So don't say that is my misconception. I asked that since these always exist you need to convince me that government can correct these imbalances in a more efficient manner than a free market. It needs to be demonstrated how a regulator (or group) can overcome the knowledge problem and perfectly distort a market to make it 'fair'. It can't be done in 500 char. so maybe this is moot.
berry582 1 year ago
@berry582 We agree on the necessary length of discourse to illuminate these opinions .... lol. I hope to continue this discussion, but for now I must now go to work. I do enjoy the engagement and salute you for making me think deeper. While I feel I nor you are likely to be persuaded, it should be clear that I respect your ability to state your case, and hope yet to earn yours as well.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Fair enough, thanks.
berry582 1 year ago
@berry582 The problem, in my view, in putting so much emphasis on liberty as expressed by libertarians, is that all capitalist societies, without strict government controls, inevitably evolve into a "rich get richer, poor get poorer" reality. 80% of property, financial and investment wealth in the U.S is owned by a mere 20% of the population. Under Rothbard, similar to conservative policy we have experienced, opportunities for the majority become overwhelmingly difficult and cost prohibitive.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Surely you jest. Putting Rothbard in the soup with conservatives? Conservative isn't even a word I care to use. That word belongs in the same dump with liberals, democrats and republicans. To call Rothbard a conservative is to miss the point. Conservatives love big brother just as much as liberals. The point again is the ability to legislate to ones benefit. Rothbard would never have advocated putting up legislative barriers to competition. Conservatives love to do it.
berry582 1 year ago
Shoot the paperboy in a free society? Drive thorough a school yard at 80? Ridiculous. You need to spend more time on the subject of individual rights. Read about how your rights end where someone else's rights begin. Right to life is an extension of property rights which is the basis of a truly free society. Your free society statements are absolute hyperbole to get an emotional response. How can those comments be taken seriously? I would urge you to look at some of the work by Murray Rothbard.
berry582 1 year ago
@berry582 I could add many better books on the subject to your list, they are in every Philosophy 101 syllabus; that's not the point. The absurdity of the statement is the point. The abuses we historically have tolerated from corporations and businesses in the pursuit of profit is equally absurd, but I guess you would rather be distracted with political philosophy rather than examine real-world practices.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Well we could wax poetic on how regulation is a major cause of things like the BP oil spill. We could go into the revolving door between business and regulatory agencies that exists in the 'real world' that I must be so carelessly overlooking. Your broad statements about the 'evil corporations' is just lacking substance. 500 characters isn't enough to try to correct that. Also, putting Murray Rothbard into the 'Philosophy 101' category is an insult to that mans work.
berry582 1 year ago
@berry582 Rothbard naively ignores common abusive business practices. His works represent an extreme position on liberty alone as the chief political, economic and ethical goal of society. To label some of his philosophy extreme is to put things mildly. His arguments fall apart when you consider that his property rights agenda would put virtually all power in the hands of the few, much like the Middle Ages. Parents able to sell their children? Businesses can racially discriminate? Extreme.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Middle ages? The price of dissent? Your head. You are looking at power through the ability to initiate violence against others. Power cannot be contained by the few without it. Some find Rothbard extreme I'll give you that but he in no way ignores abusive business pract. They exist anyways and always. We live in the 'real world', right? Question is which type of society more efficiently squashes these practices. Regulation lets govt pick winners & losers and use tax money to do it.
berry582 1 year ago
@berry582 In the Middle Ages, in Europe, you had a system of wealthy land barons and those at their mercy. The Magna Carta was the first significant step in changing that. You suggest as Reagan loved to say, that government is the problem. I strongly disagree. We elect those who write regulations, but when representatives are tainted by the influence of the wealthiest individuals and businesses, things fall apart. Your check and balance is revolution alone. And it would be inevitable.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Again, wealthy land barons used violent force to keep those at their mercy and themselves rich, you need to convince me that these imbalances will occur without the ability to use force. I have yet to find a substantial argument that can do so. You make that point when you mention tainting reps in your comment. The reason wealth seeks the reps is because the government has the monopoly on force and they will always work to use that. As long as that monopoly exist wealth will seek it.
berry582 1 year ago
You sound like a tree-hugging pussy. You complain about the radical conservatives and then prove how you're a radical liberal. You sit in front of your TV set and consider yourself educated on government.
Take a look at the businesses that the government has bought out (ie Amtrack). When the government begins running all business, we are no better than the countries our ancestors and current immigrants are RUNNING FROM.
chicagotransam 1 year ago
@chicagotransam I don't see folks complaining about their Medicare or Social Security, our military or state universities. I consider myself educated on government because I studied political science in college and worked 27 years as a news reporter having covered presidents, Congressmen and more state and local politicians than I can count. People aren't fleeing their countries because of government takeover of industries, btw.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
I've never kissed my sister.
Wake up. We aren't making smalll progress.
Since Obama started his "rule" (per Valerie Jerrett) we are going "backwards";
OK. I've listened to enough.
You just blamed the previous spending on Bush.
News flash: Congress controls spending.
When Bush was POTUS, Democrats were in control of Congress.
Obama IS a complete failure. Don't waste anymore of my time.
notahemi 1 year ago
@notahemi One third of the national debt can be attributed to Bush's tax cuts, adding $3.2 trillion to the debt, passed in 2001 and 2003. Let us examine those and see who was responsible. In 2001, the bill passed the Senate with 46 Republican and 12 Democratic votes. In 2003, the larger tax cut package passed despite 198 of 205 Democrats in the House and 46 of 48 Democratic Senators voting no. Hell, even two Republicans voted for banking reform in 2010, but I think Dems get the credit.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@ElProximo my final word on this subject. I am not saying that BP intended to kill its own workers, clearly that is absurd. What I am saying is that they continued to operate under conditions which were clearly in serious violation of safety regulations. They deemed it an acceptable risk. Drunk drivers don't intend to kill others on the road. But when it happens they are guilty of negligent homocide under the law. Same here. A $1 million device, a 26500th of its 2008 profits was too much to pay.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@ElProximo What I understand and what BP did not is that after racking up more deaths, fines and civil judgements than any other corporation in the industry over the past 15 years, you would think BP would have erred on the side of caution rather than its opposite.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@ElProximo And it is not clear at all at this point whether the men on the rig were aware of the regulatory violations, the leak, the possible cement deficiencies and the absence of a working blow-out preventer on the rig. It is probably likely that most, at least, did not. Like miners sent into an unsafe mine, no one can blame the men who are basically under orders to perform their job or risk losing it. And BP has a history of risking lives apparently thinking the odds were on their side.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@ElProximo The workers still alive from that rig and the families of those not so fortunate have filed lawsuits alleging the very thing I am asserting. I guess they are wrong, too? In the Texas case, OSCHA fined BP the largest sum in corporate history and you should read the official ruling. "Callous disregard for the life and safety" and "arrogant disdain" are phrases you will find. A record court judgement against BP used even harsher language. They didn't apologize either.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 Well, in ten years I think we'll view everything a little different. Like I said in another reply to your videos is that I truly believe that many of the political sides out there now (repub VS demo) is the same side of the same coin. We're just led to believe they're different but it's the same people behind them both pulling the strings.
TheDSRegulars 1 year ago
@TheDSRegulars While I see some distinct differences, some are rather obvious, the fact that too much special interest money has neutered both parties to rapid and meaningful change is obvious as well. Both parties are afraid to make necessary tax reforms, defense cuts, serious bank, insurance and environmental regulation and a host of other needed changes. Still, House Democrats at least made significant progress toward change, it is the Senate where a few Dems and all Republicans held out.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
Very well put, The Tea Party itself is actually a cruel misinterpretation of the true Tea Party Founders' views, they are disgusted that it has been hijacked by conservative neocons and Republicans that have no clue how the world of politics rotates, but are angry. They stole the platform for themselves so they could have an organized ignorance in their goals. More and more people are coming out of the woodwork armed with angry signs and little to no knowledge.
drpeppa2357 1 year ago
@drpeppa2357 All true and obvious as in Nevada where Sharon Angle and the Republican power brokers are branding the true Tea Party candidate in the Senate race there as a fraud. Strange year. But you cannot blame Republicans, they were desperate to rebrand themselves and usurp the energy of the Tea Partiers following Bush. I understand the anger at the way things are, but am frustrated by so many folks' inability to place the blame correctly and folks' unrealistic idea that change would be easy.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 unfortunately enough history dictates a story that illustrates the predictable human nature that is frustration with government. There's a great deal of obstructionism in congress, that is to say, the kind of bills trying to be passed now are not the corporatist handouts of the bush administration. Lobbyists do have an extremely disproportionate seat in the scheme of power in things. More reason to face the campaign reform with intense scrutiny. We can't let them buy elections.
drpeppa2357 1 year ago
@drpeppa2357 I couldn't agree more. Well said! The single biggest reason we do not see rapid, constructive change on any front is that corporate interests have invested in both parties to assure any changes are painstakingly piecemeal at best.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 THANK YOU.
BTW, I've never seen a more vicious smear campaign to date in my life. The winner for most vicious? Both candidates.
They make Sharon Angle like she wants to reward prisoners for raping women.
They make Senator Ried look as if he's trying to destroy Nevada to... I'm not quite sure. Drive down property value in California and Utah, or something?
People's anger is driving them to extremes of hatred I've never seen in my life. I wasn't around for segregation, though.
wasabij 1 year ago
@wasabij Nevada is a microcosm of this election year; an incumbent blamed for the devastating effects of the recession in a state where growth had been a foregone conclusion until the latter stages of the Bush administration; and a political challenger whose own statements during the primary on Medicare, Social Security, the constitution and religion have come back to haunt her. Neither candidate is very articulate in selling their own agenda, so it is easier to attack the other.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@ElProximo I hate to say this, I really do, because I don't believe in insulting anyone, no matter how ridiculous their argument, but sir, you are an idiot. Under your misguided and inane fantasy world, no company has ever taken advantage of its workers in order to make a profit, or put their lives at risk. What planet do you live on? BP has a long and sordid history of putting its workers and subcontractors at great risk, and have paid hundreds of millions in fines and lawsuits as a result.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
Nail on the head. This guy makes too much sense for 2010 Americans.
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sharktrinity Thank you for watching and commenting, and I really hope the silent majority of folks take the time to get out and vote,
huckfinn22 1 year ago
Look at the following two decades of facts in a quick overview. This man simply doesn't know what he is talking about on any level.
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kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501 The list you show doesn't indicate the bias of corporate donors under $9.5 million over that time, nor does it show (nor can it show thanks to the Citizens United Supreme Court decision making unlimited anonymous donations legal) the vast amounts of individual donations from wealthy sources such as the Kochs' personal fortunes. Regardless, it is clear corporate interests taint both parties, but only Republicans block Wall Street and trade reform and policies that would curb outsourcing.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22
The Democrats had a super majority to push through what they wanted. The Republican were not capable of blocking anything as evidenced by the fact that the health care bill passed anyway in spite of bipartisan OPPOSITION.
As for Wall Street, you my friend have bought the big lie. Wall Street is run by progressives. Back in 2008 they dumped Hilary for Obama because he was seen as more progressive. Wall Street makes money on govt debt and largess.
kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501
And continuing on Wall Street. Right now we see real unemployment at 20-22%, Wall Street has soared in prosperity while main street and the American worker is being destroyed. Government is growing in leaps and bounds while main street is scared to death of doing anything.
I'm sorry but the establishment Democrats are every bit as bad as the establishment Republicans. That is why the American people have spontaneously formed the Tea Party movement and are tossing out incumbents.
kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501 The Republicans hold 41 Senate seats and have used the fillibuster rule to stop progress. 419 bills approved by the House linger in the Senate because Democrats could not get a single Republican vote, falling one vote short. These include bills to create jobs, free capital for small businesses, tax incentives to create and maintain American jobs and tax disincentives for outsourcing jobs; Super Majority my ass. Dems fell 2 votes short of a much better health care bill.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22
Why are you ignoring the fact that there are Democrats that don't like what the Democratic leadership is doing? Those are the people that Pelosi lost for votes. "Free capital" Wow, another economic illiterate. There is no such thing as "free capital". Government does not create jobs, ever. It can only create make-busy work. It can stay out of the way of real job creators but government produces no goods or services without involuntary monetary confiscation.
kmg501 1 year ago
@kmg501 The outbreaks of food-borne illnesses, such as the egg and ground beef crises recently, safety violations overlooked and uninspected causing mine disasters and oil spills, the deterioration and failure to replace or repair dams and bridges, our inability to inspect shipments into our airports and harbors, our inability to stop the gun trafficking to Mexico and drug shipments from Mexico: these are just a few of the jobs government workers would be doing without Republican interference.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@kmg501 Thank you. You seem like you are familiar with Austrian Econ. Gov't as a function cannot EVER create jobs. I won't waste time here talking about price signals and the like. I recommended to huckfinn22 that he study works such as Rothbard who have made immense contributions to the study of economics and huckfinn22 relegated Rothbard to the Philosophy 101 department.
berry582 1 year ago 3
@huckfinn22 Talk about outsourcing of jobs, by insourcing illegal workers who receive gov't entitlements while getting paid under the table! Obama and all of the Democraps stood and applauded Calderone who told us how we should "reform immigration"! What nerve! Also, it was only Dems who voted NOT to make English our official language. If they want to represent Mexicans, let them move to Mexico! All they want is their votes!
sosadforcountry 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry Ok, constitutionalist; where in the Constitution does it say we must have an official language? Most citizens in this country got here because of forefathers who came to escape the same hopelessness of economi opportunity or persecution that brings over our borders today. At least Democrats have proposed solutions to give these folks an avenue towards citizenship over time while paying a fine and requiring legal status to work. What have Republicans proposed? Nothing.
huckfinn22 1 year ago
@huckfinn22 It has always been implied that English was our language. It shouldn't even come up for a vote! Most citizens ancestors were immigrants who came in the front door and were PROUD to learn the language and call themselves American. Americans should not have to listen to a failure of a Mexican leader to tell them how to run their immigration laws. Why should they be given a "path" to citizenship, especially during a deep recession?
sosadforcountry 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry
" ... insourcing illegal workers who receive gov't entitlements while getting paid under the table!"
Spoken as one who does not know anyone person receiving welfare. Bottom line: You must be a citizen to receive welfare, medicare or any other government program.
And, where oh where is your moron-strength outrage for the billions in government dollars given away free to corporations each year, or the loopholes allowing corporations to cheat the tax man? Free ride 4 who?
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou That is just crazy talk! It is well known that you do not have to be a citizen to receive welfare! They can't even ASK them if they are illegal! I have stood behind countless illegals who can't even speak the language to understand that they can't receive certain items before a certain date and they just swipe their "food card" to pay for the overloaded cart full of food!
I've heard even Dems speak about the subsidies given to illegals. What you say is nonsense!
sosadforcountry 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry Sorry, idiot: You must be a citizen to receive welfare of any sort. You are just a fucking idiot.
But, then, if you are a so-called "conservative," you are an idiot.
And note you say nothing at all -- and are incapable of saying anything at all -- concerning my other comment, namely:
Where is your moron-strength outrage for the billions in government $ given away free to corporations each year, or the loopholes allowing corporations to cheat the tax man?
Moron!
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou I'm sorry but it is the pot calling the kettle black. How come these supposed "citizens" can't speak the language and yet possess a food card?
sosadforcountry 1 year ago
@bapyou You don't think O is giving the same tax breaks for his cronies who support him?
These tax breaks should only be given to those companies who hire out-of-work Americans and whgo promise to keep their company in the U.S. Did I EVER say that I supported Bush? NO!
sosadforcountry 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry
Dude you're talking like the Confederate rhetoric like the slaves taking "your job" if they get off the plantation; no fool they have your job now. Same thing.
Jobs relocate to Mexico and the factory workers in the rust belt become unemployed. Unemployment leads to crime, not income (look at Chicago 60's and contemporary Chicago; income relatively same, joblessness up, victimization rate sky rocketed).
The irony of you guys drinking hatorade and wanting to purge the mexs
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sharktrinity I am not drinking "hatorade" and I don't want to purge Mexicans. It isn't just Mexicans coming here. They are just the majority. I do not support anyone coming here and marching in our streets demanding their "rights" while waving their Mexican flag and chanting that they are taking back "their" country.
In the 90's I had 5 exchange students from different countries.
Two were from S.A. One came back after marrying and the two of them paid a lawyer to get green cards.
sosadforcountry 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry I do not have a problem with anyone coming here legally, learning the language and assimilating to our culture instead of trying to take it over. The ones who marched in D.C. were told by their organizers NOT to wave the Mecican flag, but they couldn't help themselves and did it anyway. This just causes anger. The ones who came thru Ellis Island were proud to call themselves American and insisted that their kids speak only English.
sosadforcountry 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry
a) Those guys waving their flags are typically second generation - chicano's (look up the term to know the difference) - that are in your face anyhow that are citizens because they were born here. Most immigrants are quiet and intelligently anonymitic.
b) Sounds like the lawyer should be the one subject to legal sanction for providing false green cards. Another argument commonly left out by fear mongers; who's providing/and profiting, off supplying false documentation?
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry
all I hear is "they're taking tax payer funded benefits." Well how about some accountability in the debate about hammering out the providers of fake information needed to get benefits in the first place. I guess they don't count b.c we can sympathize with their "just trying to make it" illegal process, but not aliens.
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry
is that you're backing politicians that want unrestricted internat'l trade which is how the immigrants fund the trip for being able to migrate here in the 1st place. Before they had no job at all, now they work in US factories indigenous to Mex now, use their $3/hr pay to relocate their family to the land of opportunity. Also the politicians you back are against worker passes that promote circular migration. Most don't want to sever family ties; they want to make $ and come
sharktrinity 1 year ago
OK, now I am told that these people use their $3/hr. pay to relocate their family, but another poster said that these people don't receive welfare. Can you tell me how they only receive $3. (a myth, as I know some people who have tried to hire them and they turned their noses up at $10. per hour), and manage to relocate their families without welfare or subsidies? It isn't possible!
sosadforcountry 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry
What are you talking about?
These are processes going on to migrate to the states, before they are in the country. Where are you coming up with these government assistance programs and hiring amounts?
US businesses relocate their production facilities south of the border under new "Free" trade guidelines which allow them to take no loss for hiring indigenous Mexicans to do it for 1/3rd the price of Americans, while continuing to live here. If anyone is a fee lunch leech
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry
it's the the businesses using our highways for their shipping, parks and rec for discretionary time, entering their kids in district athletics, etc. etc. that are making dollars off the Mexican standard of living in a country where in theory our pooled services are tax proportional to the cost of living/what we want. That's if the even bother with the IRS in the first place vs. hiding behind tax loopholes or havens (approx. 40% of US Corporations pay zero income tax at all).
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry
and go. When there is no pass, they make the sacrifice to sever ties and stay since they're here they don't want to risk losing it. Most of these areas where "immigrant problems" are the worst (AZ, South TX) are right on the border, and most would work in the US during the day, and go back to their MEX border towns at night.
You sir are an imbecile. It's not the politician that are the problem; they're simply saying what they need to get in power. They're a reflection of
sharktrinity 1 year ago
@sharktrinity You guys love to throw around the F bomb and name-calling as if that cements your argument! Read Saul Alinsky lately?
sosadforcountry 1 year ago
@sosadforcountry
the mob, which increasingly is becoming retarded and cynical (that's right you fuckers known as "we the people" are the ones driving the cynicism) while rolling back actually doing proper diligence on familiarizing themselves with th