Chains We Can Believe in

[busterhyman21]

this guy is great!

[bobbysaysyo]

This guy and anyone who thinks anything like this about Obama is an idiot and doesn't know anything about politics.

[PowerfulluncleSam]

@bobbysaysyo It´s so true man, this video not senses, only hatred motivates

[getalife67]

Obama=Obamanation



[skaterboyof2009]

... i don't like it... too sad..

[tedskam]

but wait, theres MORE!!!!

And its NOT the same. Obama made up his OWN war.....er.........kinetic military action. Must've gotten bored with those beserk-istan-ish names he had to remember in afghanistan so he wanted a country with easy names like basri, tobruk and...el........turrrrrrrr...n­evermind.

I cant believe it took me this long to figure out the matrix.

[Ihatemelee]

there both two sides of the same coin, both are working towards the same agenda.

how have you not figured that out yet?

[mcc1789]

Meet the new boss, just like the old boss.

[summerdaez]

ouch

[927541]

Seriously, why is everyone justifying this?!?! Wiretaps, torture; keeping governmental actions in the dark; an all-powerful executive who makes/interprets law; i don't even know what country i'm living in anymore. I believe in America, but America CLEARLY does not exist..

Everyone i know is sick in the head. Our President, the Republicans, my friends & family. How many people still believe in equal justice, limited government, & human rights without compromise? We need a revolution, NOW.

[cv9113366]

@927541 Right on!

[927541]

@cv9113366 Sorry that was just my rant. An armed revolution would be counterproductive. But still, when values are in question, how can we change people's minds? On top of that, how do we get people to listen to reason when they only believe what they want to believe? I just feel helpless.

[cv9113366]

@927541 We live in an age of apathy. Like the lyrics in Rage Against the Machine "Like the bill board says, come and play, come and play. Forget about the movement." We can stage protests, even march singing koombiya, but that doesn't mean that the corporate owned media have to show it. Besides, the 2nd amendment was given to us for a reason. It is the ultimate check and balance for our government. The government should be afraid of its people, the people should never fear their government

[927541]

@cv9113366 Good point. But it's not like if we had a revolution that we'd stand any chance. Sure, you can have a firearm, but the government has satellite-guided lasers, and unmanned aircraft, and bombs, and machine-guns. Of course, we could let everyone walk around with machine-guns, but if they're's not being used to defend the country and lying around, that's a catastrophe just waiting to happen.

[cv9113366]

@927541 True, but take into consideration that we have an all volunteer force of which most is over seas. Not just in Afghanistan and Iraq, but also 50k in Japan, 50k or more in Korea and if there were a nation wide insurrection that the police couldn't handle on their own, its not like they can recall troops quickly...

[927541]

@cv9113366 Lol Very true. Even so, the people are better off having a nonviolent revolution than a violent one, unless it becomes absolutely necessary. Even the Founding Fathers tried reconciliation with Britain first. And the Progressive and Civil Rights Movements worked out pretty well. After all, if you're not the one firing the shots, it's hard to look like a bad guy.

[cv9113366]

@927541 Awww, I see a Gandhi approach. I suppose it is true that a violent revolution usually only leads to a brutal regime. Still I think the first step is decentralizing power, like making the United states "are" instead of "is". I think over the years the federal government has taken so much power that it is almost a dictatorship defacto because we are ruled by an elite that most of us never meet.

[gblpst81]

@cv9113366 you and 927541 are both making some excellent points. You've both fairly well summed up most of my feelings on the subject. I wish I could manage to stumble across more people like you on YouTube, instead of either extremists (be they rightwing, leftwing, or other) or sophomoric cretins. I do find some intelligent folks, but it's rare to find two having a decent discussion in the same place like this. Thank you. Take care.

[SRangelDE]

@cv9113366 Obama praised Gandhi while he was in India. He mentioned "peaceful resistance!. We should give him Gandhi: millions of people in the whole world should take to the streets and occupy every government building in a peaceful/forceful way. Millions of drops of water that make an unstoppable tsunami. Be the "water for their fire" (Blue King Brown)

[cv9113366]

@SRangelDE Many leaders praise Gandhi, but for the wrong reasons. Gandhi's approach of peaceful resistance would work if the media outlets were free. No news coverage or another "Michael Jackson" story bombarding the airwaves means no one will know that a building has been occupied. Besides, if people can just turn on their xbox, why should they care?

[kingofthebrittains]

@cv9113366 You got it, the ONE THING an institution can't defend against is Neglect. We need to walk away and create out own society in tandem with this one, and the old one will die by attrition. That is exactly what Gandhi meant by Be the Change. His plan was one of community interdependence & self sufficiency. Check out "Culturequake" by Chuck Burr for a good read on this topic. Cheers!

[099923257457]

@cv9113366 I think the big problem is that top 5% of wealth give are politations so much money that they feel they should only serve them.

[gblpst81]

@927541 you and cv9113366 are both making some excellent points. You've both fairly well summed up most of my feelings on the subject. I wish I could manage to stumble across more people like you on YouTube, instead of either extremists (be they rightwing, leftwing, or other) or sophomoric cretins. I do find some intelligent folks, but it's rare to find two having a decent discussion in the same place like this. Thank you. Take care.

[shortballerz]

@ManicStreetStevO Well, bring their family into it then. Make them think we are going to hurt them. And if they die because they wont break then oh well. They are a terrorist why do u care about their feelings?

[auraofgloom]

@shortballerz

If you think its so wonderful to torture people then mabye we should extend this power to the police too? They (almost) never make mistakes and if they do then, well, as long as its not me or my family they get then who cares, huh?

That German guy who ended in Afganistan when some eastern Euro's mistook him for some one else.18 moths or so later they let him go.. hey if they had hurt him a little more he might have confessed to something.

Just what the founders wanted,eh?

[shortballerz]

@auraofgloom Why in the hell would we need police to torture people? May i ask why this GERMAN guy was in AFGHANISTAN?

[auraofgloom]

@shortballerz

Because he was shipped to Bagram airbase for questioning after being picked up by the CIA.

Google El-Masri and inform yourself. He was held for 5 months after the CIA knew they had picked up the wrong person...like i said just a little torture on his family and we wouldnt have to worry about him sueing,

Luckily the judge threw the suit out since it might leak state secrets!

[auraofgloom]

@shortballerz

Well, as to why you might want cops to torture people- their criminals so who cares? Is that not your attitude? You have such firm trust in the Government that surly you trust their police to do the right thing? Or dont you?

[shortballerz]

@auraofgloom - Criminals are not a threat to millions of lives. I didn't say torture his family. I said make him think we are going to. I feel sorry for the El-Masri guy and I'm not gonna justify that, I think they should look a lot more into things and make sure before torturing. But if you know for 100%, torture. And in my opinion he should have changed his name, I would if I was Arab and moved anywhere else in the world. How much crap do you have to deal with when your last name is Hussein?

[auraofgloom]

@shortballerz

Actually I read an article about some poor kid who WAS called Saddam Hussein by his folks because they wanted to look good for the dictator. Poor little bugger, LOL

[shortballerz]

@auraofgloom wow.. some people don't deserve to have kids; lol.

[auraofgloom]

@auraofgloom

ps...i'm being sarcastic

[jango239]

Obama did rele let me down on that one. and in the beginning of his term when he was adressing the issues of Guantanamo Bay i was so happy too.

[presidentmond]

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[927541]

I hope this all comes to light soon.  I don't buy the argument that we should avoid "ruffling feathers". Torture is wrong, and those responsible must be brought to justice.

[shortballerz]

i think we should torture terrorists until death. if they have information that could hurt the country then i say pull their fingernails off, cut their arms off. rip off parts of their thighs and pour alcohol on them, while making them eat cow manure. they brought it on their self.

[ThatGuyWithThePenis]

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[closethesoa]

Not one person has ever been charged for creating, using or authorizing the SOA torture manuals.