This is my first time watching this movie and I find it really offensive!! Plus the irish accents are terrible!! The more I watch it the more offensive it gets!!
@ 7:51...I think that`s the first REAL Irish dance I've seen in this movie so far (the light jig) other than the chorus dancers at the fake show at the fairgrounds (but I think that was pushing it.)
And for the record, since there seems to be a debate about it, you could be ethnically of a certain country or nation (such and such-American), or you can be a national (live in that country and/or have a citizenship). But most Americans refer to their ethnicity. Unless they're lucky enough to have a dual-citizenship.
Exactly...Thank you. This is what I was getting at, but had a hard time explaining. I tried to argue this point before I took Sociology. I like how you put it..."most Americans refer to their ethnicity"
Very well put...
Ethnicity and nationality....two very different things! All Americans are very diverse in terms of ethnicity.
We're not fighting over the movie...we are arguing over the differences between ethnicity and nationality, and the fact that a person can indeed be Irish regardless of where they are born.
hehehehe what a fight....but i agree withbumblybee256 cause nationality is not inheritable so if you were not born in ireland then you'r nationality is not irish but its where your born. yet if your parents teach you anything about ireland, and if you practice their culture then somewhere within you is irish but nationality is not....if you dont beleive then ask your history teacher or what ever....
The spanish chick has always reminded me of a spanish Britney Spears around the Baby One More Time years, especially when she smiles, she's just really dark. lol
@Bumblybee256 , How is Irish not an inheritable race?! Im Irish-American. I dont understand why people say that! If you are a decendent of a race of people, then thats your ancestory!!!! So, im from America, but my geneology is Irish! It is a nationality! But, its also a heritage in America! If you dont think so, tell that to the millions of Irish-Americans that celebrate thier Irish bloodline every year!
BECAUSE the Irish are not a race. It's a nationality. Like any other nationality you need to be born in that country and have the upbringing that goes along with that. It's a culture, there's no such thing as 'Irish blood'. I do tell it to any American who cares to challenge it but unfortunately you all continue to believe Ireland is where you come from.
@Bumblybee256 , Well i have family from Ireland. And they dont seem to think that! However, i have met a few of you guys from Ireland on here that seem to think otherwise! Its like you are bitter toward Americans that are Irish. So, you try to take away their family's heritage! Well, its bullshit!!! My whole family is Irish and SO AM I!!! It is a truely ignorant statement to say that there is no such thing as Irish blood!Why do they call us "Irish-Americans" then?! hmmmm?
"Americans that are Irish" lol er no, we aren't bitter, we just know what nationality means. You can have a heritage without claiming to be from that country. You call yourselves 'Irish Americans', dear. And no, there is no such thing as Irish blood.
Well thats just fine! I have never claimed to be from Ireland! I am perfectly happy with where im from. But, i am Irish! Because, my mother and my father are both full blooded Irish! I mean, if my blood is not Irish...then what is it?! American? No! Those are called Native Americans or "Indians". My bloodline is not caucasian, because that is my ethnicity! My genealogy is IRISH!!! Lol, i honestly dont understand how you dont get that! If my blood is not Irish, then i have no blood at all!
Omg. No. You are American. To be Irish you have to be from Ireland. It is a NATIONALITY. Your blood isn't anything, blood does not have a nationality either, believe it or not. That's just a turn of phrase. No, as far as I know caucasian is race (like negroid and mongloid). Your genealogy is orginally from Africa so why not call yourself African?
@Bumblybee256 excuse me, but u don't have to be from that country to have family history there. i'm irish and i'm not from Ireland, just b/c ur not from Italy or Germany or Ireland doesn't mean don't have family history their....
@FantasticFour2132 LMAO- YES it does! You cannot be from a country you were not born in, sorry. Clearly you have serious trouble understanding this. Your relatives may have been from there, you are not.
@FantasticFour2132 Jesus CHRIST. 'Irish' is a nationality, you have to be FROM IRELAND to be IRISH. Therefore YOU are NOT Irish. Your ancestors may hve been Irish, you are not. This is called logic.
If YOUR children were born and raised in Mexico (I am using a hypothetical situation here to make a point) would you deny them their right to consider themselves Irish? Would you call them Mexican because they were born and raised there? This is what your "logic" suggests. Does this put things in perspective for you?
No, it doesn't because you've completely misunderstood. Nationality is not inherited. Being 'Irish' is a culture and an upbringing. Children directly of Irish parents I can see an argument for as they would get that upbringing but claiming to be the nationality of distant ancestors when you were neither born in that country nor brought up in teh culture does not fly.
@Bumblybee256 You agree that children born directly from "Irish" parents retain the right to call themselves Irish regardless of where they were born. More than likely these children will raise their own children the way that the Irish parents did. Being Irish is much more than where you were born and raised. There are people here who still practice the religion that their Irish ancestors did, have Irish last names, and even practice traditions that have been passed down through the generations.
@Bumblybee256 What you don't understand, missy, is that every American is different and that difference often comes from a person's heritage. People's upbringings are based on traditions and beliefs from the country that our ancestors came from. These things are important parts of who we are. If a person is raised in the Irish way, with Irish beliefs, customs, traditions, etc, they are still Irish, no matter where they are born.
@peppersock Um, no it doesn't. That would be like saying someone that lives in India and lives there their entire life is American because their parents treat them like they are.
@buttercupbaby16 Hmmm, that sounds exactly like what people do here in America. They retain the culture, values, religion, even native languages of their native lands - despite the fact that they live in America. What do you think? That native culture just disappears here in America? American culture? There are countless different cultures here in America. Where do they come from? They are passed down from generation to generation. Or as you would say, "their parents just treat them that way."
@peppersock I really have no idea what you are trying to say because all of your comments seem to be arguing different points. Are you saying acting Irish means your Irish? Because it doesn't. Culture and nationality are two entirely different things. You can grow up learning the culture but that will never mean it is your nationality.
@buttercupbaby16 NO, having a culture and "acting" are two very different things. Just because our culture was passed down to us in a different country from where said culture was originated from does not mean that we are "acting."
@buttercupbaby16 As you said - "Culture and nationality are two entirely different things. You can grow up learning the culture but that will never mean it is your nationality." Re-read my comments, that is exactly what have been trying to get across. GAH! We all realize and understand that nationality is "where you were born." I will say this one more time. IRISH is more than just a nationality! Much more!
@peppersock thats bullshit, you think just because your great great grandfather lived in Ireland generations ago you can call yourself Irish? No, if you were born in America, you are American don't try to flatter yourself.
@ilovejackie808 AND? No one here is denouncing the fact that their nationality is American. A person's nationality only tells you where they were born, but tells you nothing about their culture, heritage, or ethnicity - all of which can be much much different from nationality. Please understand.....
@ilovejackie808 Every recorded generation down to my...great grandfather, if I'm not mistaken, but it may have been my grandfather, I'll have to visit my mother and ask her...lived in Ireland. Why should that not constitute me the right to call myself irish-american. You don't object to the calling of blacks african-americans, even though their ancestors lived in Africa three, four hundred years ago. Why do you hate Irish-Americans?
@peppersock This is exactly what I try to tell people when they refuse to believe that I am Bulgarian because I am now an American Citizen. Greatly said!
I don't think that people in America of Irish ancestry are claiming to be the nationality of their 'distant' ancestors. They are claiming their ethnicity...we are not 'just Americans.' As you said, Irish is a culture and an upbringing - something that many of us have had.
@prismfairy If that were the case I wouldn't be constantly hearing 'I'm Irish' from people who clearly are not. Yes, Irish is a culture and an upbringing- that you don't have in America. It's very simple. Why not just be proud of your actual culture in America- or why stop at Ireland? After all, we all came out of Africa........*rolls eyes*
@Bumblybee256 Does it really matter? It's all in the heart ya know. When we came to tis country we were lookin for better life, well we didn't get it. Irish over here are great. I like Irish Americans. Some of tem are plastic but there are others who are damn well Irish.
@sirchristian12 Yeah, it kinda does. People from entirely different countries claiming to be from your country gets kind of ridiculous. Why don't you just go all the way back and say you're from Africa and be done with it?If you're talking about the emmigration that's ridiculous too. What exactly is 'damn well Irish'? Do sum up for me what is meant by 'Irish'.
@Bumblybee256 Tat's what plastics are! People who really are like 10% Irish and claim tere full Irish and claim their dominate heritage as Irish. Yeah that is ridiculous! How is the emmigration ridiculous? The famine was horrible and Irish wanted to leave, tey ten came to America and had families, making Irish Americans. Like aye said, it's all in the heart, if yar a lot Irish, American, and know where ya come from and our way of livin, traditions, all of it? that is true Irish American
@sirchristian12 The emmigration comment was ridiculous because you said 'we'. YOU did not emmigrate from any famine and no, their descendents did not inherit their nationality, it's not a genetic trait. Do tell me about some 'Irish traditions' that you uphold.
@Bumblybee256 Ye "We" meanin us Irish eh? ten what ye tink it is? Tey can't be considered Irish because they were born in America from Irish parents? We have a lot of traditions liek weddin traditions, St. Patrick, Death, and storytelling! Ya want to know more feel free to message me. :)
@sirchristian12 Look- why on earth are you typing that way? Are you attempting to sound Irish. You don't get to say 'we' moved here when you didn't move anywhere, no.
Lol, so you don't know any actual Irish traditions. I don't really need to message you to learn about my own country now, do I?
PS: the thumbs up was me and it was purely accidental.
@Bumblybee256 nope I'm from Cork and lived in America buddy. Lived here for 15 years. And quit being an asshole. You don't like Irish Americans fine, but least I respect what great things they do and the respect they give us. Quit raggin on them. Attemptin lol. U are funny HA! Smart ass. And Yeah I did move so yeah I do get to say.
@sirchristian12 Oh sure, sudden change of tack in a bid to sound genuine, eh? Why on earth would you attribute great things people do to them being 'Irish american'? And I don't see a whole lot of 'respect' there really. Your comment reads like a spilt child's temper tantrum. You didn't move due to any famine, dear, if you did move at all.
Cheerio kiddo. I won't be reading your next spams.
@Bumblybee256 people so divulged in one culture never understand that multiple realities exist. Watch Space is the Place by Sun Ra, which is on Youtube, to understand how cultures can mesh without ruining some essence that you're obsessed. Your reality is as faulty as the next.
@blindmansarrow eh, no, I'm not denying that cultures can mesh, I'm simply saying that people who have nothing whatsoever to do with the culture of another country cannot say it's theirs.
@thebigjay426 The Irish immigrants played the outrageous purpose in the building the whole of Cities such as buildings, sight tunnels, mine of minerals as well as the fight efforts. One-third of the American infantry during the Revolutionary War were Irish. Irish immigrants built most of America’s bridges, canals, as well as railroads.
To find anything near the East Coast of America which has not been influenced by Irish enlightenment is the daunting as well as formidable task.
@blindmansarrow Things that have any positive affect on modern culture. You like to use the word "prick" dont you. Also why did i have to define "great things" and why did you say first of all then nothing else?
@thebigjay426 my word choice has nothing to do with how oblivious you are. lol, Irish having no "affect" on "modern society" . the only word I can think of, is prick. only a prick could honestly feel sure of such an opinion. literally laughable. once again, what the hell is "affect" and what the hell is "modern society"? you mean 3rd-world-exploiting, oil-usurping, other-countries'-resources-stealing "1st world" culture, or do you mean the Irish working rights and buildup of the United States?
@Bumblybee256 Again, there is more to being Irish than the nationality aspect of it. You know what? I am going to take your ideals and put them to the test. I am going to march over to my Indian neighbor's house right now and I am going to tell them that although they retain the Indian culture and religion, they have absolutely NO right to call themselves Indian because they were born here in the US, making them American, and they therefore should be proud of their American culture.
@peppersock You already had this little fit in my presence about a year ago. I can tell this is a sore spot for you because I think you know how ridiculous you sound. I'm well aware that being Irish is a 'culture', you're not trying to tell me that the plastic paddy embarrassment that's paraded all over the states is irish culture are you?
Why stop here? Why not just say you're african and be done with it? I suggest you find something constructive to do.
@Bumblybee256 Then, I am going to call my best friends (the Mexican ones. THAT'S RIGHT, the Mexican ones) and I am going to tell them the same thing. Because like you said bumblybee, their great-grandparents came over here from Mexico, but they were born here, so they have NO right to call themselves Mexican. Much less my friend's son, who is 5TH generation Mexican! They are Americans. Period.
@peppersock But seriously, calm down. You're blowing up the comment with your pointless arguments. If you want people to actually listen to you don't come off as a bitch
@buttercupbaby16 I am arguing a valid point. How am I coming off as a bitch? Just because I am trying to make a point? Few things are bitchier than trying to tell someone that they have no right to say that they are a part of a culture/ethnic group that they INDEED belong too. Please don't say something about claiming a nationality again. Remember that culture/ethnic aspect of being Irish?
@buttercupbaby16 Oh and FYI - Ireland DOES in fact grant citizenship to people who have an Irish born grandparent. So we can't call ourselves Irish even though we have Irish heritage? Or are descendants of Irish born people? Seems Ireland has a different take on that.... Irish citizenship through decent.
@Bumblybee256 Excuse me, but how do you know what we have or don't have here in America? My nationality is American, but I know PLENTY of people whose nationalities are American that have completely different cultures and ethnicities from that of my own - all of which originate from their native lands. Believe me, cultures survive in families LONG after the immigrant leaves the motherland.
@Bumblybee256 American culture you say? HA! If you only knew! Many friends of mine - 4th generation Mexican friends (born in the US), my Hindu practicing Indian neighbors raised in the Indian culture (born in the US), etc.. all share the American nationality, but can you really say that we share the same culture? I think not. My neighbors, friends and I share extremely different cultures. All of us are Americans in terms of nationality, but in terms of culture & ethnicity it's a different story.
@FantasticFour2132 You're also retarded. Sorry, dear, I know you love us but you are not one of us. Accept it sooner rather than later, you might look sane then.
@FantasticFour2132 ooh good comeback. Sorry mate, that's basically what a nationality is. You are that nationality because you come from the place, not because you wish you did. Dnt reply if you're going to continue with the retardation
@FantasticFour2132 Well, you certainly aren't the Irish one here. Hold family history, by all means, that doesn't mean you share the nationality and 'cme from' a country you weren't born in and probably have never even been to. Calm down, dear, you're hysterical. Your nationality is AMERICAN.
@FantasticFour2132 I am telling you that, because you don't. A nationality is not an inheritable trait. You don't have history there if you were not there and no, you are not Irish and no Irish person would count you as being so. You are the joke of teh country.
@Bumblybee256 i think you're just sad that everyones ancestors came from somewhere else...how else do you think america was formed.....because people from other countries came....that how i have my family background, end of story
@FantasticFour2132 Lol, yeah because my ancestors just sprang out of nowhere. No, my ancestors ust happen to have been in Ireland, where I also am, born and raised and therefore Irish. I think you just need an education on what a nationality is, dear. and I welcome your thumbs down, silly child. And no, you cannot have a 'background in you'.
@Bumblybee256 listen dear, I know what nationality is and you can to have a background in you damnit...everyones ancestors came from somewhere else, therefore their blood runs in me....if they came from Ireland, etc. then I am going to be Irish as well....
@FantasticFour2132 Clearly you do not. You cannot have a 'background in you'- that was someone else's life, not yours and not your experiences. There is no such thing as 'Irish blood', nationality is not an inheritable trait. Deal with it.
@Bumblybee256 Screw You! I have a background in me....I am Irish, etc....you deal with it. I never said I have their experiences. But I do have history there. I have family history....YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Clearly I do! OK.
Because of this movie, i thought i was half a leprechaun
i'm half irish and my ears a little folded over on the top. a little pointy. people don't really see it but i convinced myself i was half leprechaun.
dux14 1 week ago
It was hilarious when the mom grabbed the key and stomped.
snowflakerice 2 weeks ago
HAHAHA the mom
Elizabeth45576 1 month ago
Fuck drake
xLShade45 1 month ago
For the love of Mike
Hayastantzi92 2 months ago 3
The slow jazz music is what kills me.
Zigeunerweisen 2 months ago
*Sighs* I need a black comrade.
GoonOnFire 3 months ago 3
ohyam gettin sharter
partyplac3 3 months ago 4
"You should be hurling!"
"Mom, I'm not sick, I just played lousy."
Haha! I love Irish jokes.
moonblaze335 4 months ago
i am 100% irish have reddish brown hair i am sooooo short what a coincidence except for the act that i am a girl
caitlinbruce2 4 months ago
One of the best disney channel movies ever !
ILovgiggles 4 months ago
it could be just a common bad day,but it turns out to be a totaly crazy day!!!!!!
Matdildi 4 months ago
I don't care if he's short, has elf ears and freaky hair... Kyle is still hot!
BalletBeauty97 5 months ago 27
@BalletBeauty97 DUDE YES!! I love Kyle with red hair, pointy ears, short height, and Irish accent. 8D
TheDrawmaniac 5 months ago
I'm Irish! Auburn hair, short and a hot temper! :-)
lfjsldfgjlksdfjgk 5 months ago
Anyone else see a troll face around the 4:30 mark?
gamefriendly 9 months ago
Lawlz at his Irish accent...
ohgeezkris 11 months ago
He looks hotter with the blonde highlights!
miashalala 11 months ago 2
omg i lovee the moms hair its sooo pretty
stalintalin 11 months ago
XD o for the love of mike.haha classic
cupcakegretchengirl 11 months ago
"My dad won't let me dye mine. He's got a thing about Dennis Rodman" HAHAHAHAH
DonnaIsBeast 11 months ago 21
I wouldnt mind being a lehpercahan(sp)
Maddy922 11 months ago
iron cobalt and nigiier! ahahaha
Asgardia 11 months ago
wats the boys name that says "way to choke johnson"
stalintalin 1 year ago
@stalintalin they said drake or trey
whitfieldmusic1 1 year ago
Its funny how every morning starts with the same truck going to the same place LoL
khongorzzz 1 year ago
This is my first time watching this movie and I find it really offensive!! Plus the irish accents are terrible!! The more I watch it the more offensive it gets!!
MsByrner 1 year ago
russell. its COBALT. not co-bought. dumb mutha fuckin nigger. must have learned that word out on the cotton fields. or at KFC....not sure which
anistonlover08 1 year ago
@anistonlover08 You are suck a racist person! What is wrong with AFRICAN AMERICANS!
loverofgooddoggies 11 months ago
Aha I just noticed that in his other movie "smart house" he plays basket ball too accept he doesn't try out for it
purpl3lov3r09 1 year ago
My daughter is the girl in the science class w/ the long dark hair who raises her hand..Woot Woot! go Shantell☺
62jujubean 1 year ago
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62jujubean 1 year ago
@ 7:51...I think that`s the first REAL Irish dance I've seen in this movie so far (the light jig) other than the chorus dancers at the fake show at the fairgrounds (but I think that was pushing it.)
missbeatrix1 1 year ago
why you guys complain about the movie?. if you guys dont like it dont watch it. its a fuckin movie
KILA96817 1 year ago
I'm an Heinz-57 American with ancestors from England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Germany, the Netherlands, and the Cherokee nation.
BigTex541 1 year ago
As much as I love being half Irish! Movies about the Irish makes me feel a LOT more! LONG LIVE IRELAND.
ThePizzadude93 1 year ago
And for the record, since there seems to be a debate about it, you could be ethnically of a certain country or nation (such and such-American), or you can be a national (live in that country and/or have a citizenship). But most Americans refer to their ethnicity. Unless they're lucky enough to have a dual-citizenship.
missbeatrix1 1 year ago 3
Exactly...Thank you. This is what I was getting at, but had a hard time explaining. I tried to argue this point before I took Sociology. I like how you put it..."most Americans refer to their ethnicity"
Very well put...
Ethnicity and nationality....two very different things! All Americans are very diverse in terms of ethnicity.
peppersock 1 year ago
A warm what?!
missbeatrix1 1 year ago
HOLLLLLAAA TO ALL THE IRISHH OUT THERE !!
bmwjamm 1 year ago
i cant tell in some of these scences is she etting taller then him or what idk just seems like it??
speedingbulletfilms1 1 year ago
d accents are brutal haha!!
OmgNAIRE 1 year ago
d accents are brutal haha!!!
OmgNAIRE 1 year ago
i am irish and im proud of it.. irish is a nice culture and tis hard to step dance ah. ive been do the for years and i still cant master it :)
HuskysRule15 1 year ago
you dont need to be playin basketball. you should be hurlin. mom im not sick i just played lowzy
blindbrad11 1 year ago
mom: "ya dont need too be playin basketball! YOUshould be hurlin,"
kyle:".....MOM im sick,ok? i just played lousy" LOL
tjtank20 1 year ago 3
this was back in the day when Disney movie's had substance. now its all gone down hill..
cHoKoLatPYE 1 year ago
true story. that's what makes this movie a classic...
84sareli 1 year ago
It's so annoying when girls only like guys because they're really good at a sport. -.-
Kyle looks good with that dye in his hair. ;)
Paulineback 1 year ago 2
i like his hair better orange its awesome
123AveryRox 1 year ago
I love the song she plays with the irish flute...I wish I knew what it was called..
summergirl365 1 year ago
@summergirl365 oh god i feel stupid cuz i'm irish n idk wat its called i tink its a tin whistle dou
MaeganLuvsWestlife 1 year ago
@summergirl365 it's called a tin whistle or feadóg stáin in Gaelic.
RyvenShadow 1 year ago
wheres this leprechaun already
8757kathy 1 year ago
"You should be hurlin'!"
M0VIES4U2 1 year ago
dudes quit it already ok please
madone216 1 year ago
Geez people grow up! I cant believe people are fighting over a Disney Movie! -_-
JennMystic 1 year ago 2
@JennMystic
We're not fighting over the movie...we are arguing over the differences between ethnicity and nationality, and the fact that a person can indeed be Irish regardless of where they are born.
prismfairy 1 year ago
Just chill and watch the movie. Seriously.
ronronronweasley77 2 years ago 35
hehehehe what a fight....but i agree withbumblybee256 cause nationality is not inheritable so if you were not born in ireland then you'r nationality is not irish but its where your born. yet if your parents teach you anything about ireland, and if you practice their culture then somewhere within you is irish but nationality is not....if you dont beleive then ask your history teacher or what ever....
kitzy051590 2 years ago
@kitzy051590
I think it would be more appropriate to ask a sociology teacher...
prismfairy 1 year ago
@5:32-5:48 he has leprechaun ears and doesn't notice them
FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
You are a very uneducated person!
3sheetz2thawind 2 years ago
the school bell was really long! i thought it was a fire alarm
amyandtarathedog 2 years ago
smoke detector fail
mynameistomilk 2 years ago
man, i haven't seen these old disney movies for so long. Movies nowadays, 'princess protection', 'hatching pete,' camp rock, aint' the same.
ChocolatesABC 2 years ago 20
i know eh the old ones are way better than the ones they make now
funnybone2277 2 years ago 3
yeah and nowadays they dont make the kids this harsh.
"your careers over"
and all the girls r sluts they r magnets to whoever does good in basketball
mynameistomilk 2 years ago
@ChocolatesABC i kno the new movies suk in comparison
madone216 1 year ago
does anyone know the name of the irish song when theyre singing at the bar? i love that song!
KIXHF 2 years ago 3
"o for the love of mike" lol
kylosme 2 years ago 2
lol his mom dancing
897twilight 2 years ago
OH MY GOD!! Bill O'Reilly a leprechaun......this explains alot....0_0
blobperson 2 years ago 2
Look at his ears!!!
thefantasticfive9240 2 years ago
The spanish chick has always reminded me of a spanish Britney Spears around the Baby One More Time years, especially when she smiles, she's just really dark. lol
xsh0ckr3b0rnx 2 years ago 2
I'm not Irish but I'm preggo with my son who's half Irish, wonder if he'll come out with red hair heehee :)
socalpunky 2 years ago
Yeah, Irish is a nationality, not a, inheritable race.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
yeah you are so right stupid people
sundaylove 2 years ago
@Bumblybee256 , How is Irish not an inheritable race?! Im Irish-American. I dont understand why people say that! If you are a decendent of a race of people, then thats your ancestory!!!! So, im from America, but my geneology is Irish! It is a nationality! But, its also a heritage in America! If you dont think so, tell that to the millions of Irish-Americans that celebrate thier Irish bloodline every year!
3sheetz2thawind 2 years ago
BECAUSE the Irish are not a race. It's a nationality. Like any other nationality you need to be born in that country and have the upbringing that goes along with that. It's a culture, there's no such thing as 'Irish blood'. I do tell it to any American who cares to challenge it but unfortunately you all continue to believe Ireland is where you come from.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
@Bumblybee256 , Well i have family from Ireland. And they dont seem to think that! However, i have met a few of you guys from Ireland on here that seem to think otherwise! Its like you are bitter toward Americans that are Irish. So, you try to take away their family's heritage! Well, its bullshit!!! My whole family is Irish and SO AM I!!! It is a truely ignorant statement to say that there is no such thing as Irish blood!Why do they call us "Irish-Americans" then?! hmmmm?
3sheetz2thawind 2 years ago
"Americans that are Irish" lol er no, we aren't bitter, we just know what nationality means. You can have a heritage without claiming to be from that country. You call yourselves 'Irish Americans', dear. And no, there is no such thing as Irish blood.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
Well thats just fine! I have never claimed to be from Ireland! I am perfectly happy with where im from. But, i am Irish! Because, my mother and my father are both full blooded Irish! I mean, if my blood is not Irish...then what is it?! American? No! Those are called Native Americans or "Indians". My bloodline is not caucasian, because that is my ethnicity! My genealogy is IRISH!!! Lol, i honestly dont understand how you dont get that! If my blood is not Irish, then i have no blood at all!
3sheetz2thawind 2 years ago
Omg. No. You are American. To be Irish you have to be from Ireland. It is a NATIONALITY. Your blood isn't anything, blood does not have a nationality either, believe it or not. That's just a turn of phrase. No, as far as I know caucasian is race (like negroid and mongloid). Your genealogy is orginally from Africa so why not call yourself African?
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
@Bumblybee256 excuse me, but u don't have to be from that country to have family history there. i'm irish and i'm not from Ireland, just b/c ur not from Italy or Germany or Ireland doesn't mean don't have family history their....
FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 Lol, I didn't say you don't have family history there but that does NOT make you Irish. That's a nationality.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 excuse me, but I didn't say anything about heritage. having heritage there doesn't automatically give you the nationality.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 uh.........HERITAGE???
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 Yes, but you can't say you're Irish......... because you aren't from Ireland.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 LMAO- YES it does! You cannot be from a country you were not born in, sorry. Clearly you have serious trouble understanding this. Your relatives may have been from there, you are not.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 Jesus CHRIST. 'Irish' is a nationality, you have to be FROM IRELAND to be IRISH. Therefore YOU are NOT Irish. Your ancestors may hve been Irish, you are not. This is called logic.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@Bumblybee256
Dear Sir or Ma'am,
If YOUR children were born and raised in Mexico (I am using a hypothetical situation here to make a point) would you deny them their right to consider themselves Irish? Would you call them Mexican because they were born and raised there? This is what your "logic" suggests. Does this put things in perspective for you?
peppersock 1 year ago 4
@peppersock
No, it doesn't because you've completely misunderstood. Nationality is not inherited. Being 'Irish' is a culture and an upbringing. Children directly of Irish parents I can see an argument for as they would get that upbringing but claiming to be the nationality of distant ancestors when you were neither born in that country nor brought up in teh culture does not fly.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 You agree that children born directly from "Irish" parents retain the right to call themselves Irish regardless of where they were born. More than likely these children will raise their own children the way that the Irish parents did. Being Irish is much more than where you were born and raised. There are people here who still practice the religion that their Irish ancestors did, have Irish last names, and even practice traditions that have been passed down through the generations.
peppersock 1 year ago 8
@peppersock
Right on...It is not WHERE you were raised but HOW you were raised.
prismfairy 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 What you don't understand, missy, is that every American is different and that difference often comes from a person's heritage. People's upbringings are based on traditions and beliefs from the country that our ancestors came from. These things are important parts of who we are. If a person is raised in the Irish way, with Irish beliefs, customs, traditions, etc, they are still Irish, no matter where they are born.
peppersock 1 year ago 23
@peppersock Um, no it doesn't. That would be like saying someone that lives in India and lives there their entire life is American because their parents treat them like they are.
buttercupbaby16 11 months ago
@buttercupbaby16 Hmmm, that sounds exactly like what people do here in America. They retain the culture, values, religion, even native languages of their native lands - despite the fact that they live in America. What do you think? That native culture just disappears here in America? American culture? There are countless different cultures here in America. Where do they come from? They are passed down from generation to generation. Or as you would say, "their parents just treat them that way."
peppersock 11 months ago
@peppersock I really have no idea what you are trying to say because all of your comments seem to be arguing different points. Are you saying acting Irish means your Irish? Because it doesn't. Culture and nationality are two entirely different things. You can grow up learning the culture but that will never mean it is your nationality.
buttercupbaby16 11 months ago
@buttercupbaby16 NO, having a culture and "acting" are two very different things. Just because our culture was passed down to us in a different country from where said culture was originated from does not mean that we are "acting."
peppersock 11 months ago
@peppersock You realize you are arguing the same thing with me? You are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. Just stop.
buttercupbaby16 11 months ago
@buttercupbaby16 yes, usually when people argue it is over the same thing.
Misunderstanding? Please clarify. I'm all ears.
peppersock 11 months ago
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@buttercupbaby16 As you said - "Culture and nationality are two entirely different things. You can grow up learning the culture but that will never mean it is your nationality." Re-read my comments, that is exactly what have been trying to get across. GAH! We all realize and understand that nationality is "where you were born." I will say this one more time. IRISH is more than just a nationality! Much more!
peppersock 11 months ago
@peppersock thats bullshit, you think just because your great great grandfather lived in Ireland generations ago you can call yourself Irish? No, if you were born in America, you are American don't try to flatter yourself.
ilovejackie808 11 months ago
@ilovejackie808 so everyone NOW is american regardless of where their family has roots- yea ok...good luck with that one
beasst94 11 months ago
@beasst94 pretty much, if you say the pledge of allegiance you are American
ilovejackie808 11 months ago
@ilovejackie808 AND? No one here is denouncing the fact that their nationality is American. A person's nationality only tells you where they were born, but tells you nothing about their culture, heritage, or ethnicity - all of which can be much much different from nationality. Please understand.....
peppersock 11 months ago
@peppersock i would argue and belittle you but im too lazy and its really not worth it
ilovejackie808 11 months ago
@ilovejackie808 Define American. Born in America? That's it? Try again.
peppersock 11 months ago
@ilovejackie808 Every recorded generation down to my...great grandfather, if I'm not mistaken, but it may have been my grandfather, I'll have to visit my mother and ask her...lived in Ireland. Why should that not constitute me the right to call myself irish-american. You don't object to the calling of blacks african-americans, even though their ancestors lived in Africa three, four hundred years ago. Why do you hate Irish-Americans?
gamerguy0903 8 months ago
@gamerguy0903 i dont care
ilovejackie808 7 months ago
@gamerguy0903 i don't hate them i think it would be cool to be irish
jenluvjake 5 months ago
@peppersock talk some sense into these ignorant assholes below me please
beasst94 11 months ago
@peppersock I love you peppersock!
IAMTHEREALBIGRED 11 months ago
@peppersock This is exactly what I try to tell people when they refuse to believe that I am Bulgarian because I am now an American Citizen. Greatly said!
TheTheHistorian 9 months ago
@Bumblybee256
I don't think that people in America of Irish ancestry are claiming to be the nationality of their 'distant' ancestors. They are claiming their ethnicity...we are not 'just Americans.' As you said, Irish is a culture and an upbringing - something that many of us have had.
prismfairy 1 year ago
@prismfairy If that were the case I wouldn't be constantly hearing 'I'm Irish' from people who clearly are not. Yes, Irish is a culture and an upbringing- that you don't have in America. It's very simple. Why not just be proud of your actual culture in America- or why stop at Ireland? After all, we all came out of Africa........*rolls eyes*
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 I am Irish, I got the upbringin up in my house and family.
sirchristian12 1 year ago
@sirchristian12 ................but weren't born in Ireland....see that's the thing about claiming a nationality when you weren't born in the nation.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 Does it really matter? It's all in the heart ya know. When we came to tis country we were lookin for better life, well we didn't get it. Irish over here are great. I like Irish Americans. Some of tem are plastic but there are others who are damn well Irish.
sirchristian12 1 year ago
@sirchristian12 Yeah, it kinda does. People from entirely different countries claiming to be from your country gets kind of ridiculous. Why don't you just go all the way back and say you're from Africa and be done with it?If you're talking about the emmigration that's ridiculous too. What exactly is 'damn well Irish'? Do sum up for me what is meant by 'Irish'.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 Tat's what plastics are! People who really are like 10% Irish and claim tere full Irish and claim their dominate heritage as Irish. Yeah that is ridiculous! How is the emmigration ridiculous? The famine was horrible and Irish wanted to leave, tey ten came to America and had families, making Irish Americans. Like aye said, it's all in the heart, if yar a lot Irish, American, and know where ya come from and our way of livin, traditions, all of it? that is true Irish American
sirchristian12 1 year ago
@sirchristian12 The emmigration comment was ridiculous because you said 'we'. YOU did not emmigrate from any famine and no, their descendents did not inherit their nationality, it's not a genetic trait. Do tell me about some 'Irish traditions' that you uphold.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 Ye "We" meanin us Irish eh? ten what ye tink it is? Tey can't be considered Irish because they were born in America from Irish parents? We have a lot of traditions liek weddin traditions, St. Patrick, Death, and storytelling! Ya want to know more feel free to message me. :)
sirchristian12 1 year ago
@sirchristian12 Look- why on earth are you typing that way? Are you attempting to sound Irish. You don't get to say 'we' moved here when you didn't move anywhere, no.
Lol, so you don't know any actual Irish traditions. I don't really need to message you to learn about my own country now, do I?
PS: the thumbs up was me and it was purely accidental.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 nope I'm from Cork and lived in America buddy. Lived here for 15 years. And quit being an asshole. You don't like Irish Americans fine, but least I respect what great things they do and the respect they give us. Quit raggin on them. Attemptin lol. U are funny HA! Smart ass. And Yeah I did move so yeah I do get to say.
sirchristian12 1 year ago
@sirchristian12 Oh sure, sudden change of tack in a bid to sound genuine, eh? Why on earth would you attribute great things people do to them being 'Irish american'? And I don't see a whole lot of 'respect' there really. Your comment reads like a spilt child's temper tantrum. You didn't move due to any famine, dear, if you did move at all.
Cheerio kiddo. I won't be reading your next spams.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 okay
sirchristian12 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 humanists are always such condescending pricks
blindmansarrow 1 year ago
@blindmansarrow plastic paddys never like reality.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 people so divulged in one culture never understand that multiple realities exist. Watch Space is the Place by Sun Ra, which is on Youtube, to understand how cultures can mesh without ruining some essence that you're obsessed. Your reality is as faulty as the next.
blindmansarrow 1 year ago
@blindmansarrow eh, no, I'm not denying that cultures can mesh, I'm simply saying that people who have nothing whatsoever to do with the culture of another country cannot say it's theirs.
Bumblybee256 1 year ago
@sirchristian12 what are the great things that the irish have done, or have given us.
thebigjay426 1 year ago
@thebigjay426 The Irish immigrants played the outrageous purpose in the building the whole of Cities such as buildings, sight tunnels, mine of minerals as well as the fight efforts. One-third of the American infantry during the Revolutionary War were Irish. Irish immigrants built most of America’s bridges, canals, as well as railroads.
To find anything near the East Coast of America which has not been influenced by Irish enlightenment is the daunting as well as formidable task.
OwenzyManYeah 1 year ago 3
@thebigjay426 first of all, define "great things," prick
blindmansarrow 1 year ago
@blindmansarrow Things that have any positive affect on modern culture. You like to use the word "prick" dont you. Also why did i have to define "great things" and why did you say first of all then nothing else?
thegiantjay 1 year ago
@thebigjay426 my word choice has nothing to do with how oblivious you are. lol, Irish having no "affect" on "modern society" . the only word I can think of, is prick. only a prick could honestly feel sure of such an opinion. literally laughable. once again, what the hell is "affect" and what the hell is "modern society"? you mean 3rd-world-exploiting, oil-usurping, other-countries'-resources-stealing "1st world" culture, or do you mean the Irish working rights and buildup of the United States?
blindmansarrow 1 year ago
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@blindmansarrow So you can't think of anything.
thebigjay426 1 year ago
@Bumblybee256 Again, there is more to being Irish than the nationality aspect of it. You know what? I am going to take your ideals and put them to the test. I am going to march over to my Indian neighbor's house right now and I am going to tell them that although they retain the Indian culture and religion, they have absolutely NO right to call themselves Indian because they were born here in the US, making them American, and they therefore should be proud of their American culture.
peppersock 11 months ago
@peppersock You already had this little fit in my presence about a year ago. I can tell this is a sore spot for you because I think you know how ridiculous you sound. I'm well aware that being Irish is a 'culture', you're not trying to tell me that the plastic paddy embarrassment that's paraded all over the states is irish culture are you?
Why stop here? Why not just say you're african and be done with it? I suggest you find something constructive to do.
Bumblybee256 11 months ago
@Bumblybee256 Then, I am going to call my best friends (the Mexican ones. THAT'S RIGHT, the Mexican ones) and I am going to tell them the same thing. Because like you said bumblybee, their great-grandparents came over here from Mexico, but they were born here, so they have NO right to call themselves Mexican. Much less my friend's son, who is 5TH generation Mexican! They are Americans. Period.
peppersock 11 months ago
@peppersock But seriously, calm down. You're blowing up the comment with your pointless arguments. If you want people to actually listen to you don't come off as a bitch
buttercupbaby16 11 months ago
@buttercupbaby16 I am arguing a valid point. How am I coming off as a bitch? Just because I am trying to make a point? Few things are bitchier than trying to tell someone that they have no right to say that they are a part of a culture/ethnic group that they INDEED belong too. Please don't say something about claiming a nationality again. Remember that culture/ethnic aspect of being Irish?
peppersock 11 months ago
@buttercupbaby16 Oh and FYI - Ireland DOES in fact grant citizenship to people who have an Irish born grandparent. So we can't call ourselves Irish even though we have Irish heritage? Or are descendants of Irish born people? Seems Ireland has a different take on that.... Irish citizenship through decent.
peppersock 11 months ago
@Bumblybee256 Excuse me, but how do you know what we have or don't have here in America? My nationality is American, but I know PLENTY of people whose nationalities are American that have completely different cultures and ethnicities from that of my own - all of which originate from their native lands. Believe me, cultures survive in families LONG after the immigrant leaves the motherland.
peppersock 11 months ago
@Bumblybee256 American culture you say? HA! If you only knew! Many friends of mine - 4th generation Mexican friends (born in the US), my Hindu practicing Indian neighbors raised in the Indian culture (born in the US), etc.. all share the American nationality, but can you really say that we share the same culture? I think not. My neighbors, friends and I share extremely different cultures. All of us are Americans in terms of nationality, but in terms of culture & ethnicity it's a different story.
peppersock 11 months ago
@FantasticFour2132 You're also retarded. Sorry, dear, I know you love us but you are not one of us. Accept it sooner rather than later, you might look sane then.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 ooh good comeback. Sorry mate, that's basically what a nationality is. You are that nationality because you come from the place, not because you wish you did. Dnt reply if you're going to continue with the retardation
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 Well, you certainly aren't the Irish one here. Hold family history, by all means, that doesn't mean you share the nationality and 'cme from' a country you weren't born in and probably have never even been to. Calm down, dear, you're hysterical. Your nationality is AMERICAN.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 I am telling you that, because you don't. A nationality is not an inheritable trait. You don't have history there if you were not there and no, you are not Irish and no Irish person would count you as being so. You are the joke of teh country.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
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FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@Bumblybee256 i think you're just sad that everyones ancestors came from somewhere else...how else do you think america was formed.....because people from other countries came....that how i have my family background, end of story
FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 Lol, yeah because my ancestors just sprang out of nowhere. No, my ancestors ust happen to have been in Ireland, where I also am, born and raised and therefore Irish. I think you just need an education on what a nationality is, dear. and I welcome your thumbs down, silly child. And no, you cannot have a 'background in you'.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
@Bumblybee256 listen dear, I know what nationality is and you can to have a background in you damnit...everyones ancestors came from somewhere else, therefore their blood runs in me....if they came from Ireland, etc. then I am going to be Irish as well....
FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 End of story, so don't bother replying back
FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 Clearly you do not. You cannot have a 'background in you'- that was someone else's life, not yours and not your experiences. There is no such thing as 'Irish blood', nationality is not an inheritable trait. Deal with it.
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
@Bumblybee256 Screw You! I have a background in me....I am Irish, etc....you deal with it. I never said I have their experiences. But I do have history there. I have family history....YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Clearly I do! OK.
FantasticFour2132 2 years ago
@FantasticFour2132 No, that's not your history, dear. It's not 'in you'
Have you ever actually been here? This place you're "from"?
Bumblybee256 2 years ago
@Bumblybee256 Look, it is my history whether you like it or not. I have history there...a heritage....if you don't like it then tough luck!
FantasticFour2132 2 years ago