Seven Arguments Against the Christian Copycat Thesis

[cadeere74]

so you are rambling without evidence, and apparently unfamiliar with the pagan myths that came long before you myth. so other than the dramatic music, um I see nothing here of any value

[ArshikaTowers]

There is nothing proving that Jesus was never born; nor is there proof that he was ever born. Details such as these are precisely hidden or destroyed. Christians do not want their religion proven, as it denies the fact that it takes faith to believe in it. Only those willing to believe without hard evidence are genuine in their faith. This coming from an active Atheist.

[RuleofFive]

Horus was the Sun God of Egypt @ 3000 BC. He was called "the son" & "the light"; he was born on Dec. 25th; born of a virgin; birth accompanied by star in the east; adored by 3 kings; teacher at age 12; baptized at age 30; he had 12 disciples; healed sick; walked on water; called the lamb of god, called the light,crucified, dead for 3 days, resurrected..3000 yrs before jesus.

[LabyrinthOfDream]

So in other words, make up a bunch of bullshit and cite it as facts. How very Christian of you.

[LPDucky]

Let me just go one by one on this one:

1) When creating something, you use the things around you. Thats how it happens, dear.

2) As this is video about one of the least possible religions out there, I'm just going to let this one go

3)Some writers may, but EVERYTHING ELSE is correct. The world was pagan before the Abrahamic religions

4) and 5)You have to have familiar beliefs for people to latch on

6) That isn't worth a responds

7) That is horribly wrong, historically and morally

[Gyohdon]

what a piece of shit

[yoriskutt]

This is fucking dumb. Note that at 1:06, it's standard practice for the party trying to prove the existence of something/somebody to provide his own documentation. If somebody argues against you, it's your job as a christ dick-sucker to provide historical (non-biblical, as the bible is a patchwork of bullshit) documentation to prove it.

[EyeofHorus33]

Might I humbly ask you to cite your sources in support of the fallacy you assert at 0:46 in this upload, claiming that "Unlike the mystery religions, Christianity is grounded in ACTUAL HISTORICAL EVENTS." Are you having a laugh? It made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that! LOL

[bobharris77]

You seem to have made 7 assertions, none of which you are unable to document or prove. Sounds like a bit a false witness bearing to me:-)

[Lsdfunk]

It's funny how you fell away from yoiur original arguments after I vaguely addressed them.

What about "the shroud", what about your brick wall analogy???

Were you being insincere with your arguments just because they sounded nice?

xD

Know what you mean & mean what you say.

[Lsdfunk]

All is war!

I am all...

:)

[Maber01]

Your video is so stupid I'm going to just stop here. You are not worth my time and talent.

[marthale7]

Excellent video! But in truth it is only those who check out the primary sources that can bypass the smoke screens. But no amount of evidence will work against ones emotions, and preset beliefs. Jesus worked many miracles but to some believed but others just scoffed. The real evidence is there for those who have hearts, and ears to hear. God loves the humble, but resists the proud, thus we must be... bornagain.

[jordanthurlow]

You speak of how atheists never provide any evidence to their attacks on the origin of the New Testament yet you also ironically fail to provide any evidence to support your claims either.

[SPAGHETTIMONSTER1]

@jordanthurlow funny Atheist claim not to believe in god but never prove their belief with scientific evidence? lol, and Atheist that hang around these types of vids are crazy? they may just get converted lol not to smart

[jordanthurlow]

@SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 That is because the existence of God is not a scientifically testable hypothesis. The only evidence a believer provides is that he/she believes a collection of books written by dozens of different authors over thousands of years with dozens if not hundreds more books excluded from the modern bible is the infallible word of God despite its many contradictions and outright fabrications, and that the universe is too big and complex for them to understand so there must be a god.

[Lsdfunk]

@SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 Atheists just fail to recognize the divine revalations of quantum physics. They're just suckling at the teats of fad science, what they're fed. Darwinism & nihilism is 'in' right now. You'd better buy the God dilusion, act like a smarmy douche & not actually know what the f*ck you're talking about if you wannna 'fit in' around these parts!

Kinda like how many christians would never dream that the bible is a collection of allegories - & not actually true; nor the word of "God".

[SPAGHETTIMONSTER1]

@Lsdfunk actually the bible is stories, parables, prophecy, songs, historical events, etc, etc. so what your telling me is you don't understand this? or you think they don't already know this? quantum physics dose not prove weather you believe in god or not? and most Christians know the actual words of god is a small part of the bible, almost all in the new testament. and yes men decided what books to put in and leave out. the book is said to be inspired by god.

[Lsdfunk]

@SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 Proove any of this & I'll give credit where it's due.

You're only dealing in conjecture, which is pointless. Nothing more than a waste of my time - unless you can show me anything new. I don't argue about words, I argue about proofs. All other arguments are meaningless.

I mentioned quantum physics as a jab at atheism - alluding to them being materialism fan-boys & not actually representing science (the cutting edge of which seems to be uncovering mind behind reality.

[SPAGHETTIMONSTER1]

@Lsdfunk ok, I misunderstood, the jab, well it is pretty simple with some research or knowing.1 example psalms= songs,

[Lsdfunk]

@SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 No hassle, man. I know "God" "is". I just don't subscribe to chritian theology.

'Psalms = songs' What, you mean the etymology of the word? Psalms is at the root?

That was a pretty vague statement that I'd hardly consider proof.

The word politics can be broken down to 'poly' (many) & 'ticks' (parasites), but that doesn't mean I think politicians are literally parasitic insects - they just have many of the same attributes.

Lot's of words mean lots of things, that proves nothing

[SPAGHETTIMONSTER1]

@Lsdfunk , no just that, psalms are songs. and actually it does, proves most Atheist don't even understand a book they attack lol. and I'm really not wanting to argue about proofs, everyone makes their own choice. I have all the proofs I need. kinda funny, just after I posted back and left the page, I was thinking I think maybe I just misunderstood again, lol .

[Ziniho0608]

check out how constantine changed the bible too

also learn about the bias of the mind

we think what we want to think

atheism brings truth brings freedom brings immortality

[agnostaxian]

good vid. It astonishes me that atheists who claim to be guided "only by the evidence" think such absurd things. I did my masters thesis in the historical Jesus and a THD on early xianity and to say that Jesus never existed or that the early xians used pagan myths among scholars is like saying the apollo moon landings of the 60's were staged at a CBS studio- laughable. Almost No scholar of the historical Jesus or early xianity thinks either of these things.

[DWPeacock424]

As far as christian influence on pagan religions, once again some of the figures in pagan religions that some believe Jesus is a copycat of predate the bible (like Horus). So it's more likely that they influenced christianity (not that I am saying that is the case). You need to find some facts and list them before you try to make an argument. As for all the people saying christians are stupid and whatnot, grow up. Its okay for someone to believe in something spiritual even though we don't.

[TheHibbitydibbity]

DWP,

thanks. it's nice to see someone with a different view ACTUALLY be as open minded as they claim.

[DWPeacock424]

Not all, not even most of the bible , is backed by historicl fact. Actualy most big religions can back some of there believes with historical facts. If you don't believe me then list some things in the bible supported by history and I will list something in the bible tht is not, or soething from another religion supported by history.

[MrPhillipAlvidrez]

She may be right, I went to the himalayas twice last week and still cant find a goddamn piece of evidence of that ark.

[DWPeacock424]

your coment about Paul is only true if you believe everything the bible says, but the people you are trying to convince do not believe the bible. In otherwords, your fourth reason is an opinion, this argument should be about facts.

[DWPeacock424]

I am not here to poke fun at your religion, in fact I was a church leader until about 2 years ago. But you didn't give any real facts...at all. Your video proved nothing. You were right that some similarities are exaggerated but there are still enough to raise a make you think. You are only half right about the chronology. For example, egyptions worshiped horus prior to 3100 BC, long before the bible was written.

[omgwtfbbq06]

Faith = Ignorance

[SonOfTheMorning]

This pathetic video is the last refuge of a frightened christian.

[ShinWR1]

I let him drive my car the other day and I'm still alive he's the real thing but I'll rather Hang with Santa Clause cause he gives me cool Things I can use.

[jcdeadmessiah]

Pt2

5. There was no single Christian belief system. The first centuries were a ferment of controversy until the 4th century when Constantine forced conformity to single belief system.

6. There is no historical events underpinning Christianity. The Gospels are non eye witness biased accounts.

7. Christianity absorbed pagan festivals, dates, practices and beliefs to counter their influence.

[foofatron]

5. There may have been disagreements on some things, but what was not disagreed, except for a few heretics who can't back up what they say, is that Jesus is the son of God, he is lord, he died for our sins, and rose from the dead, major things, not how many sons did Mary have.

6. Read Luke 1. Second do some research.

7. Mostly Catholicism, other that not really.

[jcdeadmessiah]

Pt1

1. Its logical to assume that religious belief systems, like language & custom have a common root.

2. Many similarities between Christianity and earlier pagan blood atonement systems are not mistaken or exaggerated.

3 Comparative religious studies show many Christian beliefs and practices predate Christianity

4. Paul never met Jesus. He based his gospel on a Gnostic vision.

[foofatron]

1. Except truth comes from itself, not a mix of lies...

2. Where?

3. Other than Judaism I can find none.

4. Paul was alive around 60 A.D, the Gnostic Gospels were made around 200 A.D.

[eltuzo466]

hahaha you owned the movie clip..

i fucking hate all this religious nonsense, just liked the song used on the movie.. reminds me of the lord of the rings..... and extrangely it also reminds me of the BIBLE TOO!! both are 2 good phantasy books!!

to the dude who made the movie :

IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM SOMETHING AT LEAST HAVE TANGIBLE PROOF TO BACK IT UP, TEXT IN A BOOK ITS NOT A PROOF, BETTER START USING YOUR BRAIN.

[sadman666]

How can Science Prove That God Doesnt Exist? Thats just utter Bullshit and you know it.

[psarlay]

ok then how can religion prove there is god appart from claiming that that certain book is the word of god and claiming that they saw/spoke to god....religion is bullshit made to control you and take away your freedom and rights...but still to this day people are still to gullible to see this....all i can say is its ur life ur WASTING do as you please

[sadman666]

It can't prove god exists, that's why its called FAITH. Also how is it controlling me? It is my choice, I wasn't brought up to believe it, I just felt it was true so I turned to god. You think that I was told to believe? Religion can be used to control in some serious cases like the Crusades but that was nothing to do with the actual religeon, the pope ordered the crusades to show the west had power, It was a political war with Religeous propaganda to encourage soldiers

[psarlay]

yea but what u think is faith is not, one way or another u were turned to the religion, but u just think its ur choice, that what they want u to think, if u were somewhere alone form the moment u were born and u never heard of any kind of religion then u can make ur own choice, but otherwise its their choice and not ur own

[sadman666]

Nope I wasn't turned to it at all ... no one ever told me to become one or anything. And your stupid ... if I was born and I had never heard of any kind of religion then I wouldn't know any religeon obviously ... what the hell is that supposed to mean anyway? ... Basically saying 'you can make a choice if you don't know any choices and not asked the question' ... that makes no logic at all...

[psarlay]

fuck off, i dont care if you didnt understand what i meant, if you want to believe in something that doesnt exist then you deserve no respect from me u dozey fucker...piss off and bother some other guy

[sadman666]

haha I love when this happens ... you can't think of anything to say so you turn to mindless abuse because I am winning the argument. Noob.

[chrisknappER]

I believe, and anyone correct me if I am wrong, what his point was is that if you were born into a society where there was no religion ... you wouldn't believe in "it." In other words there would be nothing to believe in.

In other other words you wouldn't suddenly wake up one day, and after eating your Frosted Flakes come to the realization that there was a man named Jesus some time ago and he is your savior etc.

[Maximuslnfidelis]

The magic man Jesus mentions a worldwide flood that never happened, therefore we must conclude that he is at the very least not a god. Given all the other problems with the origins of Ancient Judaism and Christianity and the fact that they contradict all scientific evidence I think it's pretty safe to say that no god exists.

[WindGodX]

This video fails on so many levels, they had to build more levels just for it to fail on them.

You continually insist that we haven't provided evidence for our claim of a negative. What would you like, the photographs that show Jesus not being there? What evidence do YOU have? YOU made the claim that there's a magic man in the sky, YOU have to prove it. It is not our job to prove you wrong, when there is no evidence of you being right. Your words are a crime against logic.

[Lsdfunk]

I don't just rule out the possibility of god existing, I KNOW god exists. Not in some petty, fake way, like having faith, or speaking in fake tongues because I was so worked up by a congregation of chanting, shouting people surrounding me, as do the evangelicals. lulz

I've 'met god' the way people have been doing for thousands of years, the way religion began. Before christianity, before even history there existed the doorway of psychedelic shamanism.

[Ijinleman]

This video is so mad weak!Is this all the poster can offer?WOW!

[ZeitgeistDebunked]

If you would like to try to refute and debunk it. Please do so. Otherwise stop rambling.

[thex13thxchild]

@ZeitgeistDebunked

what happened to the "illogical assumption" of "just bcuz 2 religions live side by side..." Etc 1

2, pagan religions date millenniums before Christianity. 5 minuets of research will show you that.

3 the birth of Christ was originally celebrated on Jan 6, not dec 25. The holiday was moved in order to gain more converts.

I highly recommend doing research before you "ramble" on about something you know nothing of.

[iLLGateZ]

@thex13thxchild weLL said

[thex13thxchild]

@iLLGateZ thank you

[saucersauce]

@ZeitgeistDebunked You are the one who's rambling. Also, you don't have one shred of evidence for any of your claims. Christianity is almost an exact copy of the ancient Egyptian religion, and it PRE dates Christianity by centuries.

[Cuffsmaster]

I never fails to amaze me what christans will accept as fact in an effort to make their invisible friend in the sky real. This is laughable.

[CrystalFag]

This is very dry, and more a matter of uncited opinion than actually stating any facts.

I'll have to make some video response to this when I have time.

[Lsdfunk]

Please do, man. I'd do it myself if I had a webcam, I just don't get how people think they believe it.

I guess they just want to.

[ZeitgeistDebunked]

I'm looking forward to your video response.

[unrule]

@ZeitgeistDebunked ZERO sources ZERO scripture. u ramble off observations about why the Christian Copycat Thesis is invalid. I came here hoping to get some apologetics and I am leaving with doubt and diminished hope for finding a solid rebuffing of CCT. Either start dividing by zero or start facting. L2argument with your man pants and stop cluttering youtube with factless fanboy arguments based on emotional evidence that forces viewers to take you at your word

[Lsdfunk]

1. Bad defense

2.'Many', how vague. Most are exactly correct if you care to check.

3.Egyptians? Early Hindus? Greeks? All predate Christ. I can list them all if you'd like?

4.Well, that makes him a liar. Or a fictional character...

5.That's an assumption. Not a logical defense.

6.Assumption. NO record of jesus exists before the gospels - written generations after jesus' supposed ascension.

[cyberwaffles]

great upload.

[NicNaclX]

Jesus is Lord he'll never be betten. Who really thinks they can defeat GOD? Mankind is so lost and confussed, stop running away from Jesus and have salvation.

[Lsdfunk]

& 7.There is historical evidence that is not the case. Christianity borrowed heavily from the 'pagan' religions. Weak argument, 'debunker'. lulz, you couldn't debunk the Kennedy assassination. ;D

Just made this a response - ain't got no no room.

And the person I'm replying to is obviously absurdly wrong, and arrogant in being so.

[ZeitgeistDebunked]

AmI2Hvy4Ya is one of the people that runs this site. I'll be sure to let him know of your 'response'. If you'd like, you can just go to his page and message him.

[Lsdfunk]

What does it matter that he's one of the mods, it's irrelevant to my point? Is it supposed to make me think twice about questioning what's being proposed here? The video has no information, and some untruth. Am i supposed to be quiet about that because he's in a position of power relating to my habitation of this particular website?

I just commented here because, well... you posted it. And I'd imagine that would imply you agree with the content.So, really - I was addressing you.

[NicNaclX]

Lsdfunk, I was only showing my support for the anti-zeitgeist movement on u tube. Watch some of the zeitgeist debunked vids. They'll show you that Peter joseph's message is completely flowed (better than this vid). Im wrong? No, Peter is wrong, & so would u in believeing his lies. You say im arrogant for praising GOD? Your wrong, you can't call me arrogant on the basis, of the giant fallacy that is Zeitgeist. I have reason to believe in GOD's word, it hasn't been disproven. Praise Jesus.

[NicNaclX]

Oh yes I forgot Acharya S is pushing this Zeitgeist belief. but you'll find her responses to the Zeitgeist debunked vids not very compelling.

[Lsdfunk]

You can praise god whenever you want, just don't proclaim that others are lost/mislead/confused/doomed/e­tc. if they don't agree with your particular BS(belief system). That's not fair, man.

Praise god in private, do not get in people faces about how great & wonderful your specific god is - because no doubt some of them are vulnerable & looking for anything to latch onto to feel loved.

Many holes, inconsistencies & dualisms exist in Christian theology - that doesn't mean god doesn't exist.

[Lsdfunk]

That's fine by me, man. But my problem was with the way you 'showed your support'. Namely; proclaiming to know things that you, nor any other living human being can know. That's the arrogance to which I was referring.

I've watched several parts of different zeitgeist debunking vids, but was surprised by how weak the arguments were - seeing as they went to the trouble of making the thing, I would have assumed they'd have a good, well balanced response. They didn't.

[NicNaclX]

Lsdfunk thx for the reply, man. But I will proclaim what I beleive in anywere, it's my GOD given right to do so. The Bible says that Jesus is the only way to GOD, I never said it, Jesus did and I believe & have faith in him. Im glade you don't rule out the posibility of GOD existing, I hope you find him someday, I really mean it pal.

[NicNaclX]

With your second post, I'll give the same comment just above.Jesus says his the Living Son of GOD, & savior of mankind, you'd have to take it up with him, not me.But I will defend my Lord from the lies of Zeitgeist eg Jesus' idenity borrowed from mythical beings, jesus &bible is based on astrology & Jesus is a fictional character etc.Zeitgeist is completely false,it's misleading people based on lies.Many people in their respective feilds eg astrology, hindoism ect, say it's completely wrong.

[Maximara]

While I agree that Zeitgeist is mostly talking nonsense let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. The contemporary support for the Biblical Jesus is nil as is proviencal evidence for the Gospels before the 2nd century.

[Lsdfunk]

Jesus says? Jesus is supposed to have said, right?

I mean, even if the original bible were the direct word of god - wouldn't all the translations, and mistranslation since it's original form have maybe somehow skewed the meaning?

Mythical beings? You mean Deities? Jesus is a deity, he's just westernized. Not all the 'facts' in Zeitgeist are right, but a lot are.

"Zeitgeist is completely false" That's a lie. it's not completely false, though some of it is.

[Lsdfunk]

It's your right to believe what you want. But at least have the common courtesy to not to spew smug statements about how your specific god is the only & best god, when you have yet yo meet 'him' in person.

If you begin a sentence with 'the bible says..' I'm more inclined to listen when it's your belief, not a recycled belief from some old book, about someone that you'll never be sure existed- until you die, but then it'll be too late. :(

Thus is the the unparalleled ambiguity of christ. lulz

[SPAGHETTIMONSTER1]

@Lsdfunk (real)), Duhh, but man sure is a ton to back it up. i like checking out all the different stuff, pretty cool, I even saw Mt, Sinai, Sodom, Gomorrah, found it on Google earth. lol , the shroud is cool too. is funny people believe other historical events/places w/less evidence, than argue Jesus never was alive? kinda like looking at a brick wall and saying it's fake?

[Lsdfunk]

@SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 So, you've proven the existence of Jesus via google earth? Wow, you must be a real whizz... That's not proof of the existence of Jesus, it's proof that the bible references real geographical areas. &, 'the shroud' is not proof. It's questionable at best - which removes it from being defined as proof. Do you even understand what the word means?

A brick wall is tangible. All the "proof" you allude to isn't. If you have a reasonable argument I would genuinely be glad to hear it.

[SPAGHETTIMONSTER1]

@Lsdfunk , nope, how does Mt. Sinai, Sodom and Gomorrah, prove Jesus is real? you just lost me. was talking about is the Bible. The shroud however is pretty intriguing. would be pretty hard to fake. and depending what people find about it can strengthen there belief, it's funny Jesus was a real man. and there is a lot that backs this up. now that a lot of time is past people say there is no evidence he was real? the question (more to the point) is who really was he.

[bigiveee]

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