I still can't figure out why Republicans who actually need this new healthcare plan are against it. Are they actually that stupid, or is it a racial thing. My guess is a little from column A, and a little from column B.
The Health Care Bill is not perfect but it is a step in the right direction...And the GOP still has no solutions and are really part of the problem...
the insurance companies wrote the bill. they want this. look how much their stocks have risen due to the bill. the banks that own the insurance companies also own msnbc and rachel maddow, literally.
@AnotherUselessEater Hey. The bill doesn't go far enough no doubt. Insurance did go up when the Republican Rhetoric had people convinced it wasn't going to pass. I'd like to see their stock figures today. Still, they need to continue to push for single payer and a public option.
@AnotherUselessEater Yeah and who cares about insurance companies exploiting the sick? Who cares about fear mongering and hyperbole? I currently live in Australia and the Government health plan hasn't affected my freedom in the least but it does go a long way to stop big corporate insurance companies from exploiting people. I guess you're a Libertarian huh?
In the US we have rights. One does not have the right to point a gun at another and take his or her money, whether or not they need it. I need lots of things, but I don't steal them. Government health care has affected your freedom, but you don't care. Some people do care. Your lack of caring about freedom does not give you the right to take mine.
How are the insurance companies exploiting the sick, and how is making it mandatory to buy their products going to fix that?
@AnotherUselessEater What you think Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Costa Rica and most of Europe and the civilized industrialized world are police states because they have a public health? I'm an American with dual citizenship and it seems to me that the Patriot Act has seriously eroded your freedoms and your rights far more than any health bill. You don't think big insurance are exploiting the sick? It seems obvious to me.
I do not think those are "free" countries. I agree with you about the patriot act. This video is not about the patriot act. I agree that it's unconstitutional. I agree that it's unconstitutional to wage war using fiat currency. It's illegal and unconstitutional to take a citizens money for war, and it's illegal and unconstitutional to take their money for health care.
@cepacol06 welfare is constitutional? I hope you're not referring to the general welfare clause in the preamble. It says you can use the powers enumerated in the constitution to provide for the general welfare, but you can't just go doing anything willy nilly. If you don't believe me, spend 5 minutes googling what the authors of the constitution say with regard to that specific phrase. There's no grey area here, you're wrong.
Actually let me correct that...your idea that insurance companies don't exploit the sick is clueless...Mandatory insurance is something that I don't agree with unless their is a public option...The question is why is this country 50 years BEHIND the rest of the qorld when it comes to health care...Who benefits from that..??
Why do you think we're behind the world? We pioneer freedom, they pioneer socialism. Their continent burns down every half century or so, ours doesn't. Their system is old and proven to fail, our system of freedom was new, and the only system that doesn't self destruct. Britain has the lowest cancer survival rate of the G8. How are we behind them? Because the WHO told you so?
We declared independence from the UK to be different from them, not to do as they do. Nothing they do is right.
@AnotherUselessEater ...When it comes to health care we are 50 years behind that's a fact...We spend more money and receive less care then people do in some other countries...Why is that..??
To make a long story short, the government has been involved heavily in health care for over 35 years, distorting market forces. When this happens you get the worst of both worlds (socialism and free market capitalism). This gives no incentive for doctors to lower prices, and no incentive for them to give better service. When was the last time you asked your doctor "how much?" You need to have some understanding of austrian economics to understand.
@AnotherUselessEater How can market forces be "distorted" if the premiums keep going up and bankrupcies due to medical costs keep gong up..The Health insurance industry has been raping the country for years..That doesn't happen in some other countries...why can't we learn from them...??
So you want to make it mandatory to purchase insurance from those who rape you?
The people of Europe are raped by force through taxes. It's not free. The rich aren't going to be the ones paying for it, they're going to be the ones benefiting.
The distortion is exactly the reason why premiums and medical bills are going up. It's not like I'm giving opinions here. Go to the ER once and that's 5000$ for a couple hours time.
There are 2 ways to deliver scarce resources: rationing or markets.
@AnotherUselessEater .....Hey I didn't say the bill was perfect and "mandatory insurance " is a republican idea...did you know that..??...By the way , PBS did a documentary on five countries and there health care...All these countries had better access to hralth care then our country and it cost less...
@freein2339 It does sound like an idea the republican party would come up with, but it's certainly not "republican." A republic bars the use of force against those who haven't used force against someone else.
Yes, we know the US system is broken, but it's broken because of all the government intervention that has been going on for the past 40 years. There are 2 ways of delivering scarce resources, one is rationing, the other is markets. It's completely naive to think there won't be rationing
@cepacol06 mixing the two is a disaster. They only work when one or the other is chosen. (socialism in theory, but every attempt has failed. capitalism has worked in practice)
@AnotherUselessEater socialism in theory, but every attempt has failed. capitalism has worked in practice
sorry both has worked failed it at its purest. To gain total capitalism, it depends on the milieu of the society, homo or heterogeneous, and only based on the population, political view, and cultural perspective. To imitate free company relies on those factors. Capitalism and Socialism are both theoretical. The recent financial crisis due to failure of total capitalism.
@cepacol06 So you say capitalism is just a theory and doesn't exist anywhere, then say the recent crisis was due to failure of total capitalism. See any problems there?
The crisis is clearly due to fiat money and the bubbles created by the federal reserve, which are the opposite of capitalism. It's pretty obvious.
@AnotherUselessEater you can compute any austrian, friedman or even keynesian. You can crunch all the numbers to make simulation but never will be closed to reality. If you've taken econ, you might as well take stats. In stats, thats what insurance companies, people who have the invisible hand like economist understand and aware why, regardless how many times u try to attempt to predict outcome based on a model, it will never close/imitate the reality.
I agree..mandatory insurance with no public option sucks...but i agree with everything else in the bill. I just hope insurance companies dont find a new way to screw you:(
Let me do a little "fear mongering" in the form of quoting the author of the health care bill:
. . . The elderly have a responsibility to die, knowing that they are not going to survive their chronic illnesses, so that society can save money and pump funds into care for the younger, more worthy recipients.
Do you disagree that this would infringe on the freedom of the elderly?
@AnotherUselessEater You're right it is fear mongering. Forgive my typing mistakes. One handed just had extensive ligament reconstruction on the other one thanks to our excellent insurance plan that is paid for with my taxes. Far better than my taxes paying for Halliburton's lucrative government contract in Iraq.
@AnotherUselessEater Hey. It's been a pleasant and civilized discussion. Thank you. I disagree about the freedom but that's another debate entirely. I've got to go now but thanks again and take care.
I'm also PROUD of our President, he made another history! He made the Change that we all believed in and voted for. Soon Obama will withdraw all the troops from Iraq, and hopefully Afgh. that is if we capture Osama bin Laden.
I still can't figure out why Republicans who actually need this new healthcare plan are against it. Are they actually that stupid, or is it a racial thing. My guess is a little from column A, and a little from column B.
RepublicanINBREEDING 1 year ago
@RepublicanINBREEDING
Hahah I concur
NEBTV 1 year ago
The Health Care Bill is not perfect but it is a step in the right direction...And the GOP still has no solutions and are really part of the problem...
freein2339 1 year ago
JAY
neb my man,.awesome job again. AWESOME. You are the best.
FactCheck2009 1 year ago
Five stars. Cheers! May this be the beginning of a better future. Peace!
WhishUWereHere 1 year ago 2
RepubliCONs: Read & heed....see if your tiny brains can comprehend it!
mavrek47 1 year ago 2
Wow. Thanks for posting. No wonder the insurance lobby and their Republican lackeys fought this so hard. Now for the public option!
seamoremonster 1 year ago 2
@seamoremonster
the insurance companies wrote the bill. they want this. look how much their stocks have risen due to the bill. the banks that own the insurance companies also own msnbc and rachel maddow, literally.
there are no myths debunked in this video.
you've all been duped.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater Hey. The bill doesn't go far enough no doubt. Insurance did go up when the Republican Rhetoric had people convinced it wasn't going to pass. I'd like to see their stock figures today. Still, they need to continue to push for single payer and a public option.
seamoremonster 1 year ago
@seamoremonster
yeah, who cares about the constitution or personal freedom.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater Yeah and who cares about insurance companies exploiting the sick? Who cares about fear mongering and hyperbole? I currently live in Australia and the Government health plan hasn't affected my freedom in the least but it does go a long way to stop big corporate insurance companies from exploiting people. I guess you're a Libertarian huh?
seamoremonster 1 year ago
@seamoremonster
In the US we have rights. One does not have the right to point a gun at another and take his or her money, whether or not they need it. I need lots of things, but I don't steal them. Government health care has affected your freedom, but you don't care. Some people do care. Your lack of caring about freedom does not give you the right to take mine.
How are the insurance companies exploiting the sick, and how is making it mandatory to buy their products going to fix that?
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater What you think Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Costa Rica and most of Europe and the civilized industrialized world are police states because they have a public health? I'm an American with dual citizenship and it seems to me that the Patriot Act has seriously eroded your freedoms and your rights far more than any health bill. You don't think big insurance are exploiting the sick? It seems obvious to me.
seamoremonster 1 year ago
@seamoremonster
I do not think those are "free" countries. I agree with you about the patriot act. This video is not about the patriot act. I agree that it's unconstitutional. I agree that it's unconstitutional to wage war using fiat currency. It's illegal and unconstitutional to take a citizens money for war, and it's illegal and unconstitutional to take their money for health care.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater healthcare=welfare= constitutional.
cepacol06 1 year ago
@cepacol06 welfare is constitutional? I hope you're not referring to the general welfare clause in the preamble. It says you can use the powers enumerated in the constitution to provide for the general welfare, but you can't just go doing anything willy nilly. If you don't believe me, spend 5 minutes googling what the authors of the constitution say with regard to that specific phrase. There's no grey area here, you're wrong.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater Hoever I do agree abouy the mandatory purchase of private insurance....that's why there needs to be a public option.
seamoremonster 1 year ago
You are totally clueless...
freein2339 1 year ago
Actually let me correct that...your idea that insurance companies don't exploit the sick is clueless...Mandatory insurance is something that I don't agree with unless their is a public option...The question is why is this country 50 years BEHIND the rest of the qorld when it comes to health care...Who benefits from that..??
freein2339 1 year ago
Why do you think we're behind the world? We pioneer freedom, they pioneer socialism. Their continent burns down every half century or so, ours doesn't. Their system is old and proven to fail, our system of freedom was new, and the only system that doesn't self destruct. Britain has the lowest cancer survival rate of the G8. How are we behind them? Because the WHO told you so?
We declared independence from the UK to be different from them, not to do as they do. Nothing they do is right.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater ...When it comes to health care we are 50 years behind that's a fact...We spend more money and receive less care then people do in some other countries...Why is that..??
freein2339 1 year ago
do you know what a fact is?
To make a long story short, the government has been involved heavily in health care for over 35 years, distorting market forces. When this happens you get the worst of both worlds (socialism and free market capitalism). This gives no incentive for doctors to lower prices, and no incentive for them to give better service. When was the last time you asked your doctor "how much?" You need to have some understanding of austrian economics to understand.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater How can market forces be "distorted" if the premiums keep going up and bankrupcies due to medical costs keep gong up..The Health insurance industry has been raping the country for years..That doesn't happen in some other countries...why can't we learn from them...??
freein2339 1 year ago
So you want to make it mandatory to purchase insurance from those who rape you?
The people of Europe are raped by force through taxes. It's not free. The rich aren't going to be the ones paying for it, they're going to be the ones benefiting.
The distortion is exactly the reason why premiums and medical bills are going up. It's not like I'm giving opinions here. Go to the ER once and that's 5000$ for a couple hours time.
There are 2 ways to deliver scarce resources: rationing or markets.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater .....Hey I didn't say the bill was perfect and "mandatory insurance " is a republican idea...did you know that..??...By the way , PBS did a documentary on five countries and there health care...All these countries had better access to hralth care then our country and it cost less...
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 It does sound like an idea the republican party would come up with, but it's certainly not "republican." A republic bars the use of force against those who haven't used force against someone else.
Yes, we know the US system is broken, but it's broken because of all the government intervention that has been going on for the past 40 years. There are 2 ways of delivering scarce resources, one is rationing, the other is markets. It's completely naive to think there won't be rationing
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater socialism nor free market will work at its purest.
cepacol06 1 year ago
@cepacol06 mixing the two is a disaster. They only work when one or the other is chosen. (socialism in theory, but every attempt has failed. capitalism has worked in practice)
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater socialism in theory, but every attempt has failed. capitalism has worked in practice
sorry both has worked failed it at its purest. To gain total capitalism, it depends on the milieu of the society, homo or heterogeneous, and only based on the population, political view, and cultural perspective. To imitate free company relies on those factors. Capitalism and Socialism are both theoretical. The recent financial crisis due to failure of total capitalism.
cepacol06 1 year ago
@cepacol06 So you say capitalism is just a theory and doesn't exist anywhere, then say the recent crisis was due to failure of total capitalism. See any problems there?
The crisis is clearly due to fiat money and the bubbles created by the federal reserve, which are the opposite of capitalism. It's pretty obvious.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater you can compute any austrian, friedman or even keynesian. You can crunch all the numbers to make simulation but never will be closed to reality. If you've taken econ, you might as well take stats. In stats, thats what insurance companies, people who have the invisible hand like economist understand and aware why, regardless how many times u try to attempt to predict outcome based on a model, it will never close/imitate the reality.
cepacol06 1 year ago
@cepacol06 I agree. Austrian economics does not use mathematical models like keynesian economics does. It uses common sense and logic.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
I agree..mandatory insurance with no public option sucks...but i agree with everything else in the bill. I just hope insurance companies dont find a new way to screw you:(
AlmostAlwaysFabulous 1 year ago
@AlmostAlwaysFabulous of course they will find a way to screw us- that's what the bill is about.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@seamoremonster
Let me do a little "fear mongering" in the form of quoting the author of the health care bill:
. . . The elderly have a responsibility to die, knowing that they are not going to survive their chronic illnesses, so that society can save money and pump funds into care for the younger, more worthy recipients.
Do you disagree that this would infringe on the freedom of the elderly?
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater You're right it is fear mongering. Forgive my typing mistakes. One handed just had extensive ligament reconstruction on the other one thanks to our excellent insurance plan that is paid for with my taxes. Far better than my taxes paying for Halliburton's lucrative government contract in Iraq.
seamoremonster 1 year ago
@seamoremonster I used quotes around "fear mongering" because I was simply quoting the original author of the bill, Senator Tom Daschle.
AnotherUselessEater 1 year ago
@AnotherUselessEater Hey. It's been a pleasant and civilized discussion. Thank you. I disagree about the freedom but that's another debate entirely. I've got to go now but thanks again and take care.
seamoremonster 1 year ago
great video,
I'm not as happy with the bill as I was hoping to be, I definitely wouldn't say it's any type of a large win for progressives,
yet, I am happy to see it getting passed and at least helping some people
TheJamesPope 1 year ago 2
Indeed! T.J.P
I'm not happy with the fact there is no "Public Option". But, The ball is rolling.. I'm Proud of Our President.
NEBTV 1 year ago
Thanks for sending this, NEB.
whiteliberal1 1 year ago 3
I'm also PROUD of our President, he made another history! He made the Change that we all believed in and voted for. Soon Obama will withdraw all the troops from Iraq, and hopefully Afgh. that is if we capture Osama bin Laden.
Pellegrino80 1 year ago 3
Pelle tks for sending it my way. BUT at what price will be the "no more pre existing conditions"? 5k/month? 10k/month?
classicallady 1 year ago
Wow, imagine that...actual straight up facts. Thanks NEB - I will be sharing this video ASAP.
onesmartgal 1 year ago 3