Arinze must be next pope. ¿Jesús pidió a Juan que lo Bautizara en Agua si o no? Sí, lo hizo. ¿Si o no? ¡Sí! ¿Entonces? Palabras, palabras... Por qué no entiende el Protestante que Dios enseñó con el ejemplo y no con un Libro. En todo caso Dios habría mandado escribir un libro exacto. Sin embargo, prefirió la Tradición. Estudió la Sagrada escritura, sí, pero no escribió ningún libro. Nos dejó la Tradición. Jesús sabía que los libros se Terjiversan.
Cardinal Arinze is great, but the one thing that I would add to all the wonderful things he said is that the Sacraments are principally predicated on the Most Holy Trinity, first and foremost. The cooperation we bring into it is necessary, important, and very very real, but at all times it is dependent on the 'first move' of the Infinite and Eternal One to us, hence they are Sacraments, or in other words, physical means by which God Almighty touches, envelopes, and penetrates us with His Grace.
Yes born of the water, but unfortunately the way that infants are baptized in the catholic church makes the baptism null...meaning we have to believe on the lord Jesus Christ first to be baptized (Acts8:37)
Jesus Christ never mentioned WHEN his true church would rise....look for a true church of Jesus Christ to rise up in the last days
Don't make assumptions and follow the masses, read the bible and search for answers...ask Jesus Christ to come into your life as your personal saviour
@14greg14 but Jesus said, ""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven".
@14greg14 Friend, the Scriptures are very clear that God uses physical means, namely water, to communicate His Grace and Salvation to you. This is basically the "Incarnational Principle", because the Incarnation of our God, Jesus Christ, as True Man with a True physical Body which He sacrificed for our sins, was the means by which infinite grace and salvation came to us. Likewise, in baptism, the salvation of God comes to us by His Grace and our cooperation. It is *not* a 'work'.
@nofearinlove418 I'd wish to answer your question but cannot do that since I can't be aware of all true teology in all aspects of christianity. If a blind person leads a blind person they both will fall away, Jesus once said. I've been studying this. One theory is that in the letter to Romans Paulus was talking about the Jewish law (thora for example) but that good works are needed for salvation anyway. That is just one theory which in my opinion we need to study.
Cardinal Arinze is awesome. I wish all our leaders were as clear on orthodox Catholic teaching. Not like alot of western wishy-washy bishops who don't want to offend anyone.
@elcamaras Exactly! These wishy washy Bishops don't realize that when they try to not offend anyone they are really offending The Lord and those who are trying to be faithful.
1:18, what bible version are you reading? Jesus said if you are not BORN of water and spirt, hes speaking about your natural birth and spirtual beforehand. The water is the water of the womb.
Has this guy not read when a man asks what holds him back from being baptised and he is asked if he believes on the Lord Jesus Christ? *sigh*
To cherry pick a verse and not consider any context is stupid because you can take any bible verse and make christianity whatever you want it to be.....really.
@Pandalady366 --"Born of water and the spirit" is not a reference to the water of birth; why would Jesus say that you must be born first before you can do anything else? This verse is in reference to water baptism, which "now saves you" according to St. Peter.
Not Part of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, therfore not Official Catholic Doctrine. Also, the word "ONLY" could have been added for emphasis and the need for belief. To say that all we need do is to believe in Jesus would be against what Jesus Taught, ie, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you", after The Lords prayer we are Commanded to Forgive to be Forgiven. Can you be Saved if you are NOT Forgiven?
Yes, this is the Teaching of the Catholic Church. However, The notion that you are Saved by "Faith ALONE", that is by making a 1 time commitment of "Giving your Life to Christ" that you are automatically Saved is UnBiblical and a Man Made Tradition. Faith is an Important Step. If you read the Bible as a Whole, in Light of what the First Christians believed and Taught for 1500 years before Luther, the "Faith Alone" Doctrine doesn't add up.
@luvdidfeet Luther himself put the word "Alone" in his Bible translation, which contradicts what is written in James 2:24 "You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone". So much for Sola Scriptura
Trent was the first ecumenical council to use the word "canon" in its definition of inspired books. Such a late definition means Christians were left without a clearly-defined word of God for well over a millennium-a preposterous idea. Trent, they say, arbitrarily added the Old Testament deuterocanonical books to Scripture to protect flawed Catholic theology. This argument ignores history. The canon was ratified in the late fourth and early fifth centuries.
The Second Council of Nicaea (787) formally ratified the African Code, which contained what Trent would name "canonical," while the Council of Florence (1441) defined a list of inspired books identical to both. Although only Trent used the words "canon" and "canonical," its list was identical with every list the Church had provided since the late 300s.
He was saying we're justified purely by faith, not by our Godliness, not by works done by holiness of heart! The Council of Trent would curse such a statement:
Cnn 24: "If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said wrks are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be accursed."
Clem wasn't a Pope; he was1 of numerous elders in the Roman Church.
Polycarp said "Provided we ONLY BELIEVE." Nowhere in his statement was he talking about the Catholic Church; he was talking about believing on Jesus and beling saved. Quit saying Sola Fide is un-historical; that is a lie.
He's right. It's a waste of time for those of you who say, "Never mind the Fact,s I've made up my Mind." BTW, about a year ago in Bible study we talked about the Misconception the Protestents have about the bible being Canonized in the 1500's. I'd go ask our Instructor for the Info, But your not interested in the Facts. I'll take Pope Alexanders advice, I think it's good. Because this is a waste of time.
Trent canonized a different canon than Carthage and Hippo, Tony...Trent excluded 3Esdras which H&C included. H&C weren't general councils, and they weren't seen as dogmatic, Tony. You seem to have ignored the info about Cajetan and John of Damascus disbeliving the apocrypha and including 1&2 Clement as canon respectively. All the bluster and hard-guy argmentation you put forth can't change the FACT that there was no Dogmatic Canon until Trent. Quit saying otherwise-it's a lie.
Have you ever read the original Greek texts? I have, sometimes its almost impossible to translate that meaning over to English. Like some languages to others. So how can you be sure that latin is 100 percent reflecting the original writings of the Apostles? Oh by the way Koine Greek is also a dead language.
You have a good point, language does change over the years, so how can u be sure the that Latin text is not misrepresenting the Koine Greek text in which the original apostles wrote from? You can only carry so much meaning of one word from one language to another.
How do you Know that the Bible IS in Fact "The InFallible Word of God"? You're Proclaiming the Infallinility of the Catholic Church every time you say the Bible is the Infallible Word of God. If the Catholic Church, who Compiled and Canonized the Bible is Wrong, then so is the Bible. Christ Founded 1 Church. Not 40,000 with 40,000 different Doctrines. BTW, You still havn't answered Luvdidfeet Q's. Where are Alter calls in Scripture? or the Sinners prayer? Or In Church History can i find This?
Oops, that's Infallibility. Anyway, for all your proclaiming Faith Alone, the Epistle of James says Faith Alone is Not enough. Jesus, after the Lords prayer says we have to have forgiveness, to be forgiven. Can we go to Heaven if we don't forgive and are Not Forgiven? Jesus says many will say Lord, Lord, I did many things in your name. Jesus says, I do not know you. Probably because you didn't belong to his Church and Worship as he commanded. John 6? No Faith alone there. Out of Context? Nope.
Roughly at the End of the 4th Century there was a debate about which letters of the Apostles and Church Fathers were considered Scripture. There were the Acts of Peter, Acts of Clement, Epistles and writings by Ignatius, etc. The Church called 2 councils and by the Early 400ad. The Church canonized what Catholics call the Bible. We kept the OT that St. Paul used with the Books that Luther threw out. He threw out hebrews, James, and Revelations, then put the books back a year later.
It's Kinda funny to think when Protestents claim the Bible is the Infallible word of God they are admitting to the Infallibility of the Church. Most Don't know where the Bible came from. When Jesus ascended to Heaven he gave the world a Church, The New Davidic Kingdom. With Jesus as King, Mary as Queen(Just as every Jewish Mother reigned with their Son after Solomon, & the Pope as Vicar in the form of Eliakim. Isaiah 20:22. Hence 1 of Jesus's title's "Son of David". The Church Gave us the Bible.
Jesus, not Peter and subsequent Roman Presbyters possess the Key to the House of David: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this: (Rev 3:7)
The keys (plural) given Peter in Matt 16 which give him the ability to bind and loose are given to the rest of the apostles in Matt 18:18; these men certainly had the capacity to speak for Christ on earth.
There wasn't a single bishop in Rome until the mid 2nd century;till then the church was governed by a plurality of elders. Throughout 1st Clement,"WE" is used, not "I." Ignat of Antioch, in his letter to the Church at Rome, never mentions a bishop there; he mentions bishops of other churches in other letters, which would indicate that Rome was still ruled by a plurality of elders in 107. This is fatal to the notion of Christ giving a single person in Rome the ability to rule in his stead.
"Where We Got the Bible: Our Debt to the Catholic Church" Graham This is a Short but very powerful book on how the Bible came to be. Bishop Graham uses mostly Protestant sources to prove that the Catholic Church is responsible for putting the Bible together as we have it today and totally obliterates a number of Protestant myths about the Catholic Church and the Bible.
This is something of a common misconception held by Catholics and many Protestants; Hippo and Carthage were not Ecumnical councils; they were merely local ones, and as such were not considered binding and infallible upon Christians, according to Catholic theology. As such there was not a truly "infallible" list until Trent in 1546. John of Damascus (676-749)listed 1st and 2nd Clement as canonical (An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, Book 4, Chapter 17). cont
Cardinal Cajetan, Luther's opponent @Augsburg in 1518 was among one of many people who didn't believe the deuterocanonicals to be inspired. Also, Carthage canonized a book that Trent did not: 3 Esdras.
About Luther removing books: He translated the deuterocanonicals in his NT, but qualified them, saying that they were a profitable read but not inspired. He didn't remove the books you mentioned from his translation; he questioned their apostolicity. But Erasmus and Catejan did as well.
1st,Bible was compiled and Canonized in the early 400's and remained that way for 1100 years until Luther, who had no Authority, Changed the Bible. In Revelations it warns about Changing scripture.2nd, you really should Read Historical books written by Non-Protestents, because REAL History does Not support your own Made up version of History.
Answer This. Every Protestent , Men Like Scott Hahn, who could Lose 90% of their Brain and still know 10x more about Scripture or Christian History than you or me. They go back to find how the 1st Century Christians worshipped after the Ascension and Find the Catholic Church? Your Not Interested in truth. Your Interested in being Pope. Sorry. You, Nor Luther have any Authority to Change Scripture or Christian Doctrine. I'll stick with the Church Built on Apostolic Authority. Matt 16:19-1Tim 3:15
Many Protestents believe that all you need is a "Personal relationship in Jesus. But can't argue with Luvdidfeets logic that Judas had a Personal Relationship with Jesus. Christ left us a Church, not a Book. The Church(1 Tim 3:15) Canonized and Compiled the Bible. Can't have an Infallible book with a Fallible Teacher. If Luther had God's Blessing, where was Luthers Pentacost? I'll stick with Christs Church. Protestentism offers nothing but Disunity, + Scriptural Anarchy and Dishonesty.
Is it any wonder that theological errors are rife in Protestantism whenever the very doctrines are man made concepts of Luther,Cranmer,Zwingli and Calvin amongst many others!
Interesting, so if the Bible was written originally in the Greek, then how come Catholics have been using the Latin translations for such long periods of time? I mean isnt the Greek translations more authentic? So why such a huge reliance upon Latin? Isnt there lots of room for errors right there? The oldest manuscripts of the Bible are in Aramaic Hebrew and Koine Greek
Actually it is quite Genious. Language Changes. The Word "Gay" today means something different than it did 50-60 years ago. Putting scripture in Latin was Brilliant because Latin was a Dead Language. So the words would Not Change, just as God does Not Change. Now?answer the questions that Luvdidfeet posted or nything you say has No Credibility IMO.
by the way i did respond to luvdidfeet, he asked where in the Bible, i gave it to him, Romans 10:8-10.
I have a question for you, what is the difference between the Sacraments and the Old Covenant? I mean if we have to follow the Sacraments, why not just follow the Old?
Another question? Is Jesus' blood not enough? Do we have to partake in Sacraments cause Jesus' blood is not enough?
Ask them where in the Bible or in Christian History Jesus , his Apostles or any of the Church Fathers asked people to come into the Family of God By "Accepting Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior" or saying "the sinners prayer". Then remind them that Judas had a personal relationship with Jesus.
8But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,"[d] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Do not forget that Christ himself got baptized by Saint John ! For our sake, not for his own !
vonMohl 3 weeks ago
Arinze must be next pope. ¿Jesús pidió a Juan que lo Bautizara en Agua si o no? Sí, lo hizo. ¿Si o no? ¡Sí! ¿Entonces? Palabras, palabras... Por qué no entiende el Protestante que Dios enseñó con el ejemplo y no con un Libro. En todo caso Dios habría mandado escribir un libro exacto. Sin embargo, prefirió la Tradición. Estudió la Sagrada escritura, sí, pero no escribió ningún libro. Nos dejó la Tradición. Jesús sabía que los libros se Terjiversan.
nerdvio 1 month ago
Mr Arinze added to the word of God! Christ NEVER said "unless a person be BAPTIZED of water..." He said: "except a man be BORN of water..."
Another example of RC private interpretation!
Pro 30:6 "Add thou [ARINZE] not unto his words, lest he reprove thee [ARINZE], and thou [ARINZE] be found a LIAR"
"Extra Jesus Christus Nulla Salus"
drbible1611 3 months ago
@drbible1611 Be born of water - By "water," here, is evidently signified "baptism." Thus the word is used in Ephesians 5:26; Titus 3:5.
vonMohl 3 months ago
@vonMohl
"...baptism now saves you" (1Pet 3 :21).
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
@vonMohl Evidently according to RC private interpretation but not according to the Holy Scriptures.
Bottom line-Arinze ADDED to the word of God by claiming Christ said BAPTISM when He didn't!
Using your logic when a woman gives birth her "baptism breaks"????
drbible1611 3 months ago
@drbible1611 According to the teaching of the Holy Roman Catholic Church for the past 2000 years. Of course, you know better...
vonMohl 3 months ago
i wanted him to b pope so bad.... totally love this Cardinal. Love pope Ratzinger too
PInk77W1 4 months ago 3
can somebody transcribe please 3:47 -49?
vonMohl 4 months ago
@vonMohl
"and this fellow is going in where angels are afraid to go in."
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
Cardinal Arinze is great, but the one thing that I would add to all the wonderful things he said is that the Sacraments are principally predicated on the Most Holy Trinity, first and foremost. The cooperation we bring into it is necessary, important, and very very real, but at all times it is dependent on the 'first move' of the Infinite and Eternal One to us, hence they are Sacraments, or in other words, physical means by which God Almighty touches, envelopes, and penetrates us with His Grace.
pj100003 5 months ago
Yes born of the water, but unfortunately the way that infants are baptized in the catholic church makes the baptism null...meaning we have to believe on the lord Jesus Christ first to be baptized (Acts8:37)
Jesus Christ never mentioned WHEN his true church would rise....look for a true church of Jesus Christ to rise up in the last days
Don't make assumptions and follow the masses, read the bible and search for answers...ask Jesus Christ to come into your life as your personal saviour
tario26 9 months ago
I love Cardinal Arinze!
SonnyNChad4Evar 1 year ago
I don't think you need to work to attain salvation. Isn't it a free gift?
14greg14 1 year ago
@14greg14 but Jesus said, ""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven".
luvpinas123 1 year ago
@14greg14 Friend, the Scriptures are very clear that God uses physical means, namely water, to communicate His Grace and Salvation to you. This is basically the "Incarnational Principle", because the Incarnation of our God, Jesus Christ, as True Man with a True physical Body which He sacrificed for our sins, was the means by which infinite grace and salvation came to us. Likewise, in baptism, the salvation of God comes to us by His Grace and our cooperation. It is *not* a 'work'.
pj100003 5 months ago
I love him...
SolarWinds63 1 year ago
# Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who DOES NOT WORK, but believes in Him who JUSTIFIES the ungodly, his faith is RECKONED AS RIGHTEOUSNESS,"
I challenge you give me a yes or no answer to this question
Does the man who doesn't work but believes in God (who JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY) have saving faith ?
nofearinlove418 1 year ago
@nofearinlove418 I'd wish to answer your question but cannot do that since I can't be aware of all true teology in all aspects of christianity. If a blind person leads a blind person they both will fall away, Jesus once said. I've been studying this. One theory is that in the letter to Romans Paulus was talking about the Jewish law (thora for example) but that good works are needed for salvation anyway. That is just one theory which in my opinion we need to study.
M3town3 4 months ago
@Joshster777 See my video titled Clarification about Sacred Scripture and Tradition.
TheChurchMilitant 1 year ago
@Joshster777 See (Romans 4:13, Romans 5:1, Galatians 2:16, Ephesians 2:8)
Joshster777 1 year ago
@Joshster777 I think you will like Kolbe 1019's new video on Mary in Scripture.
TheChurchMilitant 1 year ago
@patrckhh20 how are those bad teachings? Cardinal Arinze quotes the Word of God and you can't call That bad teachings.
texanbain 1 year ago
Cardinal Arinze is awesome. I wish all our leaders were as clear on orthodox Catholic teaching. Not like alot of western wishy-washy bishops who don't want to offend anyone.
elcamaras 1 year ago 10
@elcamaras Exactly! These wishy washy Bishops don't realize that when they try to not offend anyone they are really offending The Lord and those who are trying to be faithful.
GabiAfterHours 1 year ago
1:18, what bible version are you reading? Jesus said if you are not BORN of water and spirt, hes speaking about your natural birth and spirtual beforehand. The water is the water of the womb.
Has this guy not read when a man asks what holds him back from being baptised and he is asked if he believes on the Lord Jesus Christ? *sigh*
To cherry pick a verse and not consider any context is stupid because you can take any bible verse and make christianity whatever you want it to be.....really.
Pandalady366 2 years ago
Ditto... watch a clarification about sacred scripture and Sacred tradition.
GabiAfterHours 2 years ago
@Pandalady366 --"Born of water and the spirit" is not a reference to the water of birth; why would Jesus say that you must be born first before you can do anything else? This verse is in reference to water baptism, which "now saves you" according to St. Peter.
AtomicMonster454 1 year ago
@AtomicMonster454 Water baptism definately does not save you.. spiritual baptism does
14greg14 1 year ago
@14greg14 "water and spirit"
Seakinnfiendin 1 year ago
Not Part of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, therfore not Official Catholic Doctrine. Also, the word "ONLY" could have been added for emphasis and the need for belief. To say that all we need do is to believe in Jesus would be against what Jesus Taught, ie, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you", after The Lords prayer we are Commanded to Forgive to be Forgiven. Can you be Saved if you are NOT Forgiven?
luvdidfeet 2 years ago
Yes, this is the Teaching of the Catholic Church. However, The notion that you are Saved by "Faith ALONE", that is by making a 1 time commitment of "Giving your Life to Christ" that you are automatically Saved is UnBiblical and a Man Made Tradition. Faith is an Important Step. If you read the Bible as a Whole, in Light of what the First Christians believed and Taught for 1500 years before Luther, the "Faith Alone" Doctrine doesn't add up.
luvdidfeet 2 years ago
@luvdidfeet Luther himself put the word "Alone" in his Bible translation, which contradicts what is written in James 2:24 "You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone". So much for Sola Scriptura
nexxt87 1 year ago
Trent was the first ecumenical council to use the word "canon" in its definition of inspired books. Such a late definition means Christians were left without a clearly-defined word of God for well over a millennium-a preposterous idea. Trent, they say, arbitrarily added the Old Testament deuterocanonical books to Scripture to protect flawed Catholic theology. This argument ignores history. The canon was ratified in the late fourth and early fifth centuries.
luvdidfeet 2 years ago
The Second Council of Nicaea (787) formally ratified the African Code, which contained what Trent would name "canonical," while the Council of Florence (1441) defined a list of inspired books identical to both. Although only Trent used the words "canon" and "canonical," its list was identical with every list the Church had provided since the late 300s.
luvdidfeet 2 years ago
He was saying we're justified purely by faith, not by our Godliness, not by works done by holiness of heart! The Council of Trent would curse such a statement:
Cnn 24: "If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said wrks are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be accursed."
Clem wasn't a Pope; he was1 of numerous elders in the Roman Church.
msm1876 2 years ago
Polycarp said "Provided we ONLY BELIEVE." Nowhere in his statement was he talking about the Catholic Church; he was talking about believing on Jesus and beling saved. Quit saying Sola Fide is un-historical; that is a lie.
msm1876 2 years ago
He's right. It's a waste of time for those of you who say, "Never mind the Fact,s I've made up my Mind." BTW, about a year ago in Bible study we talked about the Misconception the Protestents have about the bible being Canonized in the 1500's. I'd go ask our Instructor for the Info, But your not interested in the Facts. I'll take Pope Alexanders advice, I think it's good. Because this is a waste of time.
TonyLVNV 2 years ago 4
Trent canonized a different canon than Carthage and Hippo, Tony...Trent excluded 3Esdras which H&C included. H&C weren't general councils, and they weren't seen as dogmatic, Tony. You seem to have ignored the info about Cajetan and John of Damascus disbeliving the apocrypha and including 1&2 Clement as canon respectively. All the bluster and hard-guy argmentation you put forth can't change the FACT that there was no Dogmatic Canon until Trent. Quit saying otherwise-it's a lie.
msm1876 2 years ago
Cardinal Arinze is a remarkable gift to the Church. May God Grant Him Many Years.
+Peace+
michiganois 2 years ago
Have you ever read the original Greek texts? I have, sometimes its almost impossible to translate that meaning over to English. Like some languages to others. So how can you be sure that latin is 100 percent reflecting the original writings of the Apostles? Oh by the way Koine Greek is also a dead language.
lethalxtreme 2 years ago
You have a good point, language does change over the years, so how can u be sure the that Latin text is not misrepresenting the Koine Greek text in which the original apostles wrote from? You can only carry so much meaning of one word from one language to another.
lethalxtreme 2 years ago
How do you Know that the Bible IS in Fact "The InFallible Word of God"? You're Proclaiming the Infallinility of the Catholic Church every time you say the Bible is the Infallible Word of God. If the Catholic Church, who Compiled and Canonized the Bible is Wrong, then so is the Bible. Christ Founded 1 Church. Not 40,000 with 40,000 different Doctrines. BTW, You still havn't answered Luvdidfeet Q's. Where are Alter calls in Scripture? or the Sinners prayer? Or In Church History can i find This?
TonyLVNV 2 years ago
Oops, that's Infallibility. Anyway, for all your proclaiming Faith Alone, the Epistle of James says Faith Alone is Not enough. Jesus, after the Lords prayer says we have to have forgiveness, to be forgiven. Can we go to Heaven if we don't forgive and are Not Forgiven? Jesus says many will say Lord, Lord, I did many things in your name. Jesus says, I do not know you. Probably because you didn't belong to his Church and Worship as he commanded. John 6? No Faith alone there. Out of Context? Nope.
TonyLVNV 2 years ago
Hi, TonyLVNV...could you could tell me when the Catholic Church Infallibly proclaimed the Canon of Scripture?
msm1876 2 years ago
Roughly at the End of the 4th Century there was a debate about which letters of the Apostles and Church Fathers were considered Scripture. There were the Acts of Peter, Acts of Clement, Epistles and writings by Ignatius, etc. The Church called 2 councils and by the Early 400ad. The Church canonized what Catholics call the Bible. We kept the OT that St. Paul used with the Books that Luther threw out. He threw out hebrews, James, and Revelations, then put the books back a year later.
TonyLVNV 2 years ago
It's Kinda funny to think when Protestents claim the Bible is the Infallible word of God they are admitting to the Infallibility of the Church. Most Don't know where the Bible came from. When Jesus ascended to Heaven he gave the world a Church, The New Davidic Kingdom. With Jesus as King, Mary as Queen(Just as every Jewish Mother reigned with their Son after Solomon, & the Pope as Vicar in the form of Eliakim. Isaiah 20:22. Hence 1 of Jesus's title's "Son of David". The Church Gave us the Bible.
TonyLVNV 2 years ago
Jesus, not Peter and subsequent Roman Presbyters possess the Key to the House of David: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this: (Rev 3:7)
The keys (plural) given Peter in Matt 16 which give him the ability to bind and loose are given to the rest of the apostles in Matt 18:18; these men certainly had the capacity to speak for Christ on earth.
About the Pope as Vicar: See next.
msm1876 2 years ago
There wasn't a single bishop in Rome until the mid 2nd century;till then the church was governed by a plurality of elders. Throughout 1st Clement,"WE" is used, not "I." Ignat of Antioch, in his letter to the Church at Rome, never mentions a bishop there; he mentions bishops of other churches in other letters, which would indicate that Rome was still ruled by a plurality of elders in 107. This is fatal to the notion of Christ giving a single person in Rome the ability to rule in his stead.
msm1876 2 years ago
"Where We Got the Bible: Our Debt to the Catholic Church" Graham This is a Short but very powerful book on how the Bible came to be. Bishop Graham uses mostly Protestant sources to prove that the Catholic Church is responsible for putting the Bible together as we have it today and totally obliterates a number of Protestant myths about the Catholic Church and the Bible.
TonyLVNV 2 years ago
This is something of a common misconception held by Catholics and many Protestants; Hippo and Carthage were not Ecumnical councils; they were merely local ones, and as such were not considered binding and infallible upon Christians, according to Catholic theology. As such there was not a truly "infallible" list until Trent in 1546. John of Damascus (676-749)listed 1st and 2nd Clement as canonical (An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, Book 4, Chapter 17). cont
msm1876 2 years ago
Cardinal Cajetan, Luther's opponent @Augsburg in 1518 was among one of many people who didn't believe the deuterocanonicals to be inspired. Also, Carthage canonized a book that Trent did not: 3 Esdras.
About Luther removing books: He translated the deuterocanonicals in his NT, but qualified them, saying that they were a profitable read but not inspired. He didn't remove the books you mentioned from his translation; he questioned their apostolicity. But Erasmus and Catejan did as well.
msm1876 2 years ago
1st,Bible was compiled and Canonized in the early 400's and remained that way for 1100 years until Luther, who had no Authority, Changed the Bible. In Revelations it warns about Changing scripture.2nd, you really should Read Historical books written by Non-Protestents, because REAL History does Not support your own Made up version of History.
TonyLVNV 2 years ago
Answer This. Every Protestent , Men Like Scott Hahn, who could Lose 90% of their Brain and still know 10x more about Scripture or Christian History than you or me. They go back to find how the 1st Century Christians worshipped after the Ascension and Find the Catholic Church? Your Not Interested in truth. Your Interested in being Pope. Sorry. You, Nor Luther have any Authority to Change Scripture or Christian Doctrine. I'll stick with the Church Built on Apostolic Authority. Matt 16:19-1Tim 3:15
TonyLVNV 2 years ago
Many Protestents believe that all you need is a "Personal relationship in Jesus. But can't argue with Luvdidfeets logic that Judas had a Personal Relationship with Jesus. Christ left us a Church, not a Book. The Church(1 Tim 3:15) Canonized and Compiled the Bible. Can't have an Infallible book with a Fallible Teacher. If Luther had God's Blessing, where was Luthers Pentacost? I'll stick with Christs Church. Protestentism offers nothing but Disunity, + Scriptural Anarchy and Dishonesty.
TonyLVNV 2 years ago
Is it any wonder that theological errors are rife in Protestantism whenever the very doctrines are man made concepts of Luther,Cranmer,Zwingli and Calvin amongst many others!
crafter111 2 years ago
Interesting, so if the Bible was written originally in the Greek, then how come Catholics have been using the Latin translations for such long periods of time? I mean isnt the Greek translations more authentic? So why such a huge reliance upon Latin? Isnt there lots of room for errors right there? The oldest manuscripts of the Bible are in Aramaic Hebrew and Koine Greek
lethalxtreme 2 years ago
Actually it is quite Genious. Language Changes. The Word "Gay" today means something different than it did 50-60 years ago. Putting scripture in Latin was Brilliant because Latin was a Dead Language. So the words would Not Change, just as God does Not Change. Now?answer the questions that Luvdidfeet posted or nything you say has No Credibility IMO.
TonyLVNV 2 years ago
by the way i did respond to luvdidfeet, he asked where in the Bible, i gave it to him, Romans 10:8-10.
I have a question for you, what is the difference between the Sacraments and the Old Covenant? I mean if we have to follow the Sacraments, why not just follow the Old?
Another question? Is Jesus' blood not enough? Do we have to partake in Sacraments cause Jesus' blood is not enough?
lethalxtreme 2 years ago
Ask them where in the Bible or in Christian History Jesus , his Apostles or any of the Church Fathers asked people to come into the Family of God By "Accepting Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior" or saying "the sinners prayer". Then remind them that Judas had a personal relationship with Jesus.
luvdidfeet 2 years ago
Romans 10:8-10
8But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,"[d] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
lethalxtreme 2 years ago