تأثیر تعصبات دینی بر برخی از بزرگان ادب - Bahram Moshiri

[Archimetaus]

Definitely so. I never said Sa'adi was not a good poet or Prophet Mohammad was. Our illiterate Ostad claims that all good coming out of Sa'adi's mind is his own (or his Iranian background's)and all evil is from his Islamic dogmatism, which is basically a false statement. In fact it is the "Ostad"'s dogma that forces him to come up with a hasty explanation about things he has not studied about. He wouldn't have said this if he knew that Sa'adi's poem was a poetic translation of Mohammad's saying.

[nahavandi89]

Archimetaus

Sa'di's poem is NOT the translation of Mohammad's saying! First of all, Mohammad did not say that "Children of adam are from the same body part(as sadi said)! Second, Zoroaster and Jesus and alot of others have talked about peace and equality among the people in a better way than Mohammad did! Third, if anyone including Mohammad claims such things, then he should show it by action! How do u know that Mohammad did so? Maybe I am wrong, so guide to the right path please! thanks

[nahavandi89]

Archimetaus

Actually, the part that saadi is insulting kalimi(jew) and etc, u can say that he got this part from Mohammad! and NOT his other beautiful poem! Right when he got to the religion part, his saying is totally different than the other one(bani adam....)

because he started insulting! If u wanna say that saadi got his "bani adam" part from Mohammad, then u should say that he got the other part from Mohammad too!

[Archimetaus]

You know Sa'adi's Bani Adam poem. Compare it to when Prophet Mohammad talks about:

كالجسد الواحد إذا اشتكي منه عضو تداعي له سائر الجسد بالحمي والسهر

Meaning:

بسان پيكر واحدي هستند، هرگاه عضوي از آن به درد آيد، تب و بي قراري ساير اعضا را فرا مي گيرد

It's just not a poem, otherwise it's basically word by word what Sa'adi says, or the other way round in fact.

Please don't come back to me with "this is not a translation of that!". It clearly IS.

It's just one example of this guy's ignorance

[nahavandi89]

Archimetaus

Thanks brother! Just like I said, I might be mistaking and will be more than happy to be guided! But the million dollar question is "did Mohammad himself ever acted as he said?!" Did he treat everyone the same? I don't know the answer!! Thank u for ur time!

[nahavandi89]

Archimetaus

I have to tell u that if sadi god this from Prophet Mohammad(p), then he DIFINITELY got the insulting part(where he was insulting jews) from prophet mohammad too! Why believing one part and not the other?! Thanks again azizam!

[Archimetaus]

And thank you. Well, I don't know your answer frankly. It seems (just seems) like a big part of the traditional way of religious thinking is based on rejecting, (then if you are weak) rediculing and (if you have the power) oppressing other religions... (continued)

[Archimetaus]

...But I doubt it if Jesus ever ordered the Crusades or the Holocaust or if Moses ever wanted the crusification of Jesus or the massacre of the Palestinians or if Zoroaster ever approved the killing of Mani and Mazdak or if Mohammad ever wanted Sa'adi to call Zoroastrians and Christians the enemies of God. People of religion have a lot to be ashamed of, all religions, including "Anti-clericalism", The religion that our naive "ostad" is paid to promote.

[nahavandi89]

Archimetaus

Thank u very much for ur answeres azizam! I totally agree that people can say and act in the name of a religion! I was not arguing against that! But u have to know that prophet zoroaster and the Iranian culture included a lot of humane behavior and attitude! So it is not just Islam, it is DIFINITELY our culture too that creates such poets and thinkers for our society!

[Archimetaus]

Absolutely! Let's just say he was Sa'adi, with all his background, part of which we know (like his nationality an religion) and most of which we don't (like his inherited characteristics, his education, his friends and family, etc.) It's very unfair and uncivilised to judge his isolated sentences and verses and label the guy based on our limited knowledge about him.

"Our job is not to decode the mystery of the red rose.

Our job may just be to float in the magic of the red rose."

[Archimetaus]

Whoops! I did it again I guess. It's up there again starting with "You know".

[Archimetaus]

I'm sure I clicked on the reply link in front of your name this time 8}

Why doesn't it put it after your comment? I'll never get the hang of this!

[loveiran2]

IRAN PERSIA

islam is for arabs and those ho want too be muslims not persians,general muhamads army invided Airan persia and our persian culture, islam is for those ho had no culture before islam long live iran.and the zoroatrian faith,stone worshipers pray too stone of mecka arab worshipers Mullahs of iran,perisan shose betwen light and darknes islam or zoroastrian too be noble aryan or you no the rest wath islam stands for,Ashu Zaratustra we have not forgot Noruz,immortals are with us

[arashk83]

Dorud bar ostad Moshiri,

va ba sepas az atagar

[stalkeruk4]

جناب مجید خان..از استدلال هات معلومه که انسان کاملا منطقی و با فکری هستی ولی اصلا مجبور نیستی که نظر بدی و حرفی بزنی چون مایه ی خنده می شه..چند بار حرفی رو که زدی و استدلالی رو که می گی بخون ..خودت متوجه حرفم می شی...اگه هم نمی شی که بخیال اصلا

[majidra]

cherto pert mige baba

age taasobe dini bade be hamoon mantegh zede din boodan ham bade

[artagar]

Tassob Hamishe bad ast dini ya zedeh dini. Kasi ham zedeh din nist. Maghsood in ast keh Din bayed shakhsi bashad. Kasi ba din kar nadard vali din ba mardom kar darad Moshkel in ast. Grohy din ra bardashtand va dar holghoomeh mardam froo mykonand, va bar ahkam on adam mykoshand! Din bayad ba tashvigh bashad na shamshir. Zyani keh inan beh islam zadand va mizanand, kesi dar tarikh nazadeh.

[Archimetaus]

Daneshmand! That "bani Adam" poem is a translation of a saying by prophet Muhammad.

[artagar]

Ayatollah Archimetaus! Where have Prophet Muhammad have said the "bani Adam" poet? If in Koran, then exactly were, and if any where else, then exactly where?

[Archimetaus]

Exactly here:

From Shia Sources:

Kanz-ul-Ummal,Vol.1, p.149, No.737

and from Sunni sources:

Muslim's Sahih, Vol.16, p.140, No.4685

By the way, I didn't know people who listen to likes of this guy could in any sort be interested in asking for a proof. Good to see that some of these people can actually think of asking for a reference, shame that they ask it when it's against what they are being fed everyday.

[nahavandi89]

Archimetaus

First of all, the poem is said by sa'di in such a beautiful way that no one even prophet mohammad cannot say it WITHOUT THE HELP OF GOD! Second, If Mohammad's sayings were more beautiful than this, then the united nation would have written them ON THE FRONT of it instead of sa'di's poem! The point is HOW someone describes equality! Mohammad talked about equality USING DIFFERENT WORDS but NO WAY he could describe it like sa'di(poetic way)

[Archimetaus]

Sorry nahavandi89. I posted your response typing in the wrong box. It's the one starting with "Defifnitely so"!