Abraham Lincoln and the Kansas-Nebraska Act

[oldstock1607]

1:01 to 1:07. THAT, is what is wrong with history teaching today. All that retroactive moralizing. History IS what IT IS. respect it. It doesn't operate on liberal principles.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@oldstock1607 He's not moralizing. He's pointing out the irony of giving people the liberty of deciding if they want to take liberty away from people.

[oldstock1607]

@KayBeeEee1983 yeah, that's really a great contribution to the study of history. Nobody's ever done that before.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@oldstock1607 Yes, it is a great contribution. A lot of people, particularly young people, have not heard that. It's worth repeating so it stays in the mind of the people.

[oldstock1607]

@KayBeeEee1983 sorry, but I disagree. The teaching of history--particularly American history--has been reduced by leftists to an unrelenting screed against, and character indictment of, the white man in his entirety. Most history teachers are content if their students take away NOTHING from their class other than the unshakable belief that the white man is the devil.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@oldstock1607 "The teaching of history--particularly American history--has been reduced by leftists to an unrelenting screed against, and character indictment of, the white man in his entirety. "

That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.

"Most history teachers are content if their students take away NOTHING from their class other than the unshakable belief that the white man is the devil."

Correction. THAT'S the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.

[oldstock1607]

@KayBeeEee1983 Then you haven't had your eyes open for the past 20 years. Most grade school kids can't pick Thomas Jefferson out of a picture lineup, but can tell you that martin Luther King Jr. "Brought peace to our world."

open your eyes.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@oldstock1607 "Most grade school kids can't pick Thomas Jefferson out of a picture lineup"

Really? What scientific survey are you referring to? It sounds interesting.

"but can tell you that martin Luther King Jr. "Brought peace to our world."

King is unique in American history, Jefferson is not. Very few people had the balls to lead a peaceful civil rights movement as King did. He risked his life every time he left his house. The country would be almost exactly the same without Jefferson.

[oldstock1607]

@KayBeeEee1983 So.. the country would be "almost exactly the same" without the man who penned the Declaration of Independence, Negotiated the Louisiana Purchase, Launched the Corps of Discovery, Had a huge hand in drafting the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and articulated the Enlightenment principles of representative government more fully than any man before or since? THAT is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. MLK is a historical lightweight in comparison. You must be black to

[oldstock1607]

@oldstock1607 even say such a ridiculous thing. No dispassionate historian--even a completely biased one--could or would say that MLK was more important that Jefferson in the course of American history.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@oldstock1607 "the country would be "almost exactly the same" without the man who penned the Declaration of Independence, Negotiated the Louisiana Purchase, Launched the Corps of Discovery, Had a huge hand in drafting the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and articulated the Enlightenment principles of representative government more fully than any man before or since?"

Yes. None of the ideals in the Declaration are original concepts, they come from Enlightenment thinkers like John Locke.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@oldstock1607 France was in the middle of the Napoleonic Wars at the time of the Louisiana Purchase. France was desperate for cash and couldn't defend it, we could've just taken the land if we wanted to. Again, the concepts in the Declaration or Constitution didn't originate from Jefferson's brain. The corps of discovery would've taken place regardless of who was president.

[willchr]

top stuff. You could make a series of this and try to localise it as educational towards the subject of american civil war and its origins.