Outsourcing Global Pollution to India - Vandana Shiva

[pseudophile]

Excellent speaker. Fight against Codex Alimentarius and S. 510 "FDA Food Safety Modernization Act" which would eliminate local and raw foods through empty promises of safety. These regulations would bankrupt small farmers who try to offer diversity and choice.

[ketsstin24]

Guess am becoming an anti globalist..long way to go...need to be more informed!

[shoonnya]

Industrialization is the root of all ugliness - Oscar Wilde

[shamurshamur]

Let me clear some misconceptions here.

Lot of replies here are assuming that industrial development will sure degrade the human values and emotions and that it is an evil we should resist at any cost , even if we have to remain in poverty.

Industries not necessarily means pollution , you can make them environmental friendly instead of shutting them down.

income by industries are far ahead of incomes generated by agriculture.

Why all of the replies here are assuming that " Money is Evil"

[pani0911]

i dont know what is the per capita income in her village, but what i can tell is that nobody goes  hungry in that village, and there has never been a case of farmer suicide there and also it is one of the few villages in north India with 100% literacy, and also vandana shiva lives in a traditional house, it is not a hut nor is it a air conditioned bungalow

[sugumargovinda]

There are two answers.

Lot of people are NOT rich. They WANT to assume and think "Money is Evil".

second, not every one is smart enough to exactly understand what Dr. Vandhana is talking. so some misunderstanding is possible.

It is all about ECO. We can do anything to the amount that will NOT disturb our ECO system. She is clearly against even agriculture that puts ECO system at stake.

She is Brilliant

[indinoodle]

@shamurshamur Undying greed for money is evil. Patenting of basic right to grow food and eat is evil. It has come to a point in Indian cities where the Mc Donalds meal is cheaper then a home cooked nutritious meal - just like in the US. We should stop this greed for world domination of food supplies and killing of staple food crops as is being targetted by some corporations. They don't reaise but in the long run, they are unstabling their own nutrition supply.

[hugadarn]

Thanks for uploading this video on an important topic.

I am often disappointed though when comments are not challenged. This woman makes some excellent points. But if they are so logical - why doesn't everyone agree?

We won't move forward by agreeing with ourselves and people who think like us.

We need to engage people with different viewpoints, to understand our differences and then to move forward. Otherwise we're just preaching to the converted.

Thanks again

[blackiron60]

Too many people view the world in terms of dollar signs, factories, high-tech industries, and stock exchanges. They have no appreciation for the workings of the human body and of human hearts and minds - they believe that cold machinery will be our salvation. To such people I would like to say: so long as human hearts beat, so long as human beings are conscious of the innate dignity within us all, you will face relentless enemies. Humanity must always come first and it inevitably will.

[indinoodle]

@blackiron60 I believe so too. Its a Karmic reaction and Indians are way too smart to be brainwashed by corporations. Hope and pray that this excessive greed to consume reduces. Without industriaization and completely based on natural ecofriendly ways, India had been the Golden bird for milleniums. There have been kings, and rich merchants and farmers who could feed their children. It doesn't require factories to develop, it requires knowledge and a reflection on our scientific Vedic past.

[FnOzi]

So you choose to pollute Australia with your overpopulation of citizens.

I dont believe in globalisation either,so keep your rubbish over wher it was generated - India !!

[abz48]

It is amazing how you completely miss the point here - she is saying that the Indians have nowhere to go, whereas the Europeans could leave for the colonies. If you feel anger over what Indian immigration there is, imagine how the Aborigines felt when the Europeans started arriving.

[shamurshamur]

according to this lady , if we make more indutries the people of tribal areas and farmers will get crushed.

But lets take the fact , life of farmers and tribal peoples are already crushed , they just hardly manage to live a life of minimum requirement , they don't have enough food , they are forced to use poor quality of goods,medical facility is worst . there life is already pathetic.

[shamurshamur]

whenever i have seen a villager , they are always dreams of living a life of high standard in city, on the other hand you will never see aperson who is already living in city and planning of moving to a village.

this hypocrite lady is too enjoying the fruits of industrialization . but dare to laugh shamelessly on modern development.

Tell her to live a life of villager or tribal peoples , so her self obsessed ego can get taste of his own medicine.

[pani0911]

you stupid guy, you know nothing about vandana shiva, she does live in a village in himachal pradesh, where she runs a famous organic farm, her village is entirely employed in organic agriculture, and they live a happy life, she is well documented by various agencies and she  is a particle physicist not some stupid person like you.

[shamurshamur]

Can you u post here what is the per capita income in that village.

Also in what type of house is vandana shiva is living in that village ? is it like the rest of the typical house in Indian village or some luxuries guesthouse with all the modern facilities ?

[indinoodle]

@shamurshamur This lady lives in a village and promotes organic farming to go large scale so that you can have chemical free food at reasonable prices and so that your children would not be born with lesser body resistance or deformities due to the harmful effects caused by chemicals to your genes. Not mentioning the animal that feed on this food, the ground water tht gets polluted. Doe her effort make sense now? Research more on "Monsanto".

[abz48]

You're missing the point, which is - Where do these people go?

[indinoodle]

@shamurshamur medical facilities are required to cure illnesses most of which are caused by greed leading to manufacture of chemicalised food and pollution - cancer, skin disorders, alcoholism, etc. Just dig deeper. For accidents and nake bites, the traditional vaidya (which is sadly a dying culture) did a must better and faster job. Baba Ramdev's therapies are an example. Now think do we really need to go against our ecosystem to be happy and be fed?

[shamurshamur]

this lady is like some poet who romanticize and praise the peaceful life in villages , but can't stand a day if he was actually made to stay in there for some time.

[shamurshamur]

Tell this lady to live for some time to live a life of farmer and tribal peoples . i certainly believe her views will be changed.

But she doesn't live in villages , she lives in a comfortable world created by the industrialization.

the high standard life which we are enjoying today , and which we taken for granted , is created by industrialization.

you just can't ignore that.

[kiranmohan3390]

hi....even without industrilization v would hav reached.......do u think people in the past suffered............?

[indinoodle]

@shamurshamur High standard and low standard is only in your mind. I ideally want to live a little away from the hustle, noise and pollution(both environmental and mental) of the city and do my own bit of farming so that i can have pesticide free food and breathe clean air. That according to me is high standard, and those earning more but running around stressed and sick in the rat race have a low standard of living. See.... its all in the way you percieve. Btw, this lady lives in a village.

[shamurshamur]

people like this lady are the reason our economy never grow significantly after 30 years of independence.

so whats her point. that there shall be no manufacturing plants in india just because it has some side-effects.

so people should live by only agriculture and live in poverty just like we were living in early years.

shame on you.

[flixmsncom]

thanks to this lady probably millions of low to none income Indians have benefited.

the independence of cheap labor employees is under constant pressure of corporate movement. And a win for them is a loss for us.

I do say 'us' because the original source for this 'evil' originates from our consumptive behavior. In Holland's history there's periods of semi-slavery, in long times of underemployment it was easy for the corp. .

Living mainly of agriculture on a small scale does not mean poverty.

[shamurshamur]

if u see any rich country where per capita gdp is high , you can find that there is a lot of indutrialization.

.Agriculture at best can keep you just above the poverty line and cannot provide you any decent income as compare to other industrialized countries.

we are doing agriculture for 60 years and here we are one of the poorest nation .

i can't believe some people can shamelessly ignore the problem of poverty.

[shamurshamur]

"corporate movement" are providing the jobs to millions of people . millions and millions of people in india have come out of poverty because of the rapid industrialization of our country.

do you have problem with that ?

poverty is a fact and you can't just ignore it.

[kethmanhallik3]

Tata as a whole and Tata motors in particular has a sound environmental policy. Just opposite to their mammoth plant in Pune there is a thriving forest reserve called the Lake House that is home to a lot of migratory birds. I fact, the conservation efforts have been recognized and feted by the Bombay Natural History Society (BNHS. A santuary for birds opposite to a mega automobile plant is a remarkable achievement of sustainability. This should serve as a model to other industries in India.

[knave2]

Vandana is a marvelous speaker and smart woman.

[super8hogan]

When you want to be a world power, you get world problems

[shamurshamur]

problems should be challenged

[nobodydobo]

Europe needs immigrants to support investment and economic growth.

[TijoKJose]

having a phd in physics does not make you an economist

[VIRAJ818]

Why must you be so negative?

what your saying is far besides the point of the vid.

[shamurshamur]

what make negative about this lady is that our economy has grown at tremendous rate and it has elevated lot of people out of poverty due to globalization.

And now this lady is lecturing about anti-globlization without thinking about the consequences.

looks like some people see poverty as some kind of virtue.

pollution can be countered by using better green technology and not by stopping industrialization.

[flixmsncom]

Do you think you are independent? Study capitalism, and form your own opinion. The brittisch occupation brought industrie and economic decline. Thats whats causing your poverty. Or do you want to become a rich capitalistic country? Where everybody is blind and buys a lot of shit they don't need, made by poor people accros the world? Although it may seem that way, Industrialization isn't the only solution 4 poverty. food, water, a shelter and healthcare is the only thing mankind needs.

[shamurshamur]

if you study the communism , the countries in which it was used were proved to be an huge economic disaster.

for example russia , which later was forced to change its economic system .

on the other hand country which used capiatilism were flourished like USA and european countries.

[shamurshamur]

industrialization has brought economic development in india and if you have problem with that then ask the millions of people who have come out of poverty in last two decades , that whether industrialization .should be stopped.

[shamurshamur]

i can't believe how this lady can talking with so disrepect to indian IT industry.

problem is there are two type of people , one who are part of the problem , others who are part of the solution .

this lady fell in to the "part of the problem" category.

she will not give you any solution to the problem

, but will criticize the shortcomings of solution provided by others.

[dakusahab]

and then there's you, a brainwashed, economy worshiping, arrogant weed.

[notprathap]

lol! well said!

[kiranmohan3390]

its not economical development..................r­ather an economic pupet.....

[flixmsncom]

non-capitalism isn't nessecary comunism. russia and china had to adapt to a world wide capitalism. Our flourishing years were made possible by cheap labour and resources from our

(economic) colonies. (not neccecary real colonies)

[indinoodle]

@shamurshamur these countries are going down now. increased diseases and obesity, economic crash, depleting natural resources, polluted environment, ozone hole, water pollution, corruption and beaurcracy, govts. changing policy to meet business greed, high homicidal rate, unemployment inspite of a small population, etc. Research more. You see when you take from the ecosystem, you have to give it back too. Extreme industrialization doesn't realise that. Get industrial, but don't get greedy.

[ChuckyHammer]

Ok, so India in 2008, is like Europe during the industrial revolution hundreds of years ago. ouch!

[neotoy]

India will soon learn what we have learned in the US. Current industrial and consumer practices in terms of the environment is insane and unsustainable. Eventually first world economies are going to run out of places to find cheap labor and dump their trash.

[Skorz3ny]

So true

[Keylimedelight]

On the other hand I think that its important not to downplay the importance and benefits of the kind of growth India is trying to sustain. We definitely did learn, and continue to learn, hard lessons from our industrialization, but it allso gave us alot of wealth.

[RudraHanuman]

@neotoy I wonder if India will ever learn this fact. or atleast it will be too late b4 we grasp and adapt 2 eco-friendly thing. added insanity... "all the first world countries dump their trash on us" !!!!!!!! phew

This world is a sphere..we can not trash & escape. No point. "What goes around will come around" - Karma