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  • Rotary4LiFe!

  • I'm not a rotary or v8 or 4 cylinder guy I'm a car guy. But every engine has it's faults and it's strongpoints. V8's are usually very inefficient for their displacement. Rotarys are very tempermental when boosted. Neither are great on gas. If you have a v8 you have a v8, if you have a rotary you have a rotary. Don't bag on anyone just enjoy your car it's that simple.

  • looks like a 20b not 26b

  • why put it in such a heavy set car :/

  • @Tj1056 If you think the RX3 is a heavy car, its lighter than any gen RX-7. It's 1900lbs.

  • @TKDWolf really? wow looks heavy with all the metal lol

  • hi valado,harey here,b down to see ya soon,chop chop

  • *actually

  • LMAO!!!

  • i'v seen some good v8's been smashed by some good rotary's

  • @punawhakareia The lemans is a perfect example.

  • just say no to copypasta

  • how much it cost the 26B quad rotor engine?

  • google it! if your asking probably too much lol.

  • i have no idea, but i tend to think ALLOT lol

  • how much the 26B quad rotor engine?

  • Mazda sold their 26B race motor. ( motor used in the 787B). For about 100K US dollars if memory serves me right. Mind you that motor had tech features that the average engine wouldn't have such as the telescoping runners, or the three spark plugs per rotor, and 700BHP to boot. I am not sure about this 4 rotor in this vid, as I think the guy who built it did it in house, I am sure it wasn't cheap.

  • you can buy a kit from NZ to build 4 rotors.

  • that imdanickle bloke is a dead set wanker

  • As for rotary torque, i suggest searching the word Fourre.

  • old enough to know when i'm talking to a fuck stick! i cant smack ya from behind a computer, so i may as well smack you on it. which is lucky for you because its pretty hard picking up teeth with broken fingers! see ya fuck stick. keep in touch. xxx mwa

  • You sir are a fucking tool......

  • haha...eat shit fuckstick!

  • awesome sound, love the 26b...seen a few drag cars here fitted with one and always wanted to have a series 7 rx7 fitted with a worked N/A 26b. :)

  • nice wat a phatt car v8s are all good aswell but tangs just are on a level of there own so dont be judgmental, you probly drive a civic lol

  • Such an intelligent reply...

  • Funny that. The term "boat anchor" is used to describe a 350-Chev.

    Find the 1665hp 4-rotor video or the 1400hp 3-rotor video also on you-tube. When a 2.6lt or 2.0lt piston engine can match that 2.6lt or 2.0lt rotary for power/displacement then you can talk. Until then keep your "Red neck" buried in the sand.

  • sucks

  • look at the 16x.japan has solved the rotary torque issues. wider rotors and side exit exhaust ports. pretty sure only 2 intake ports. that is if anyone knows about porting or even if you know what year engine has how many ports :PP fuckers

  • WRONG:

    The 16´X has narrower rotors than the 13B Renesis, but the eccentricity is different, ergo "longer stroke"

    But I agree with you Peripheral Ports are FUN

  • i was just going by what ive heard. havent seen any internals. you know of any good sites man?

  • Torque torque torque! That is what moves you! V8's especially a big block 500, 600+ cubic inches produce massive amounts of it AND across a wide rpm range (especially nice when you have to shift gears). What are the torque figures on a rorety? I would like to know, they sound AWSOME! but what is the torque band???

  • Mate theres a reason why they were banned from Lemans, and bathuurst, and any other race they prove that big heavy slow 200 year old V's are good for trucks and towing caravans.

    Horsepower and torque are 1 and the same, horses are just torque over time... Arguing torue torque torque only proves you know nothing...

  • Actually horses are torque x revs!

  • Horsepower is a measurement for torque generated over a period of time.

    revs per mintue is revolutions divided by minutes...

    Your still dividing torque by time, torque over time is just a simple way of explaining to dumbshits that bullshit about torque is better, its a useless argument...

  • Thanks for elaboration lol, where the hell did these guys get a 26b anyway. I thought theyre not available to public

  • GURU motorsport in Melbourne, OZ sell kits as do Precision engineering in Auckland, NZ.

    Mazda wont sell any 26B engines to the general public

  • basically you can build a rotary engine with as many rotors as you want you just have to be able to make a custom e shaft to make it work.

  • i agree to that, but you also have to think about longer tension bolts, a bigger oil pan, and longer dowell pins

    :)

  • yea sorry i forgot to say that. but with all those things you build a engine no piston engine can compete with

  • yah ok. so ur saying if u had no horsepower and a bunch of torque u havea fast car. ya im sure thats true. the 787b had about 765 hp and 650 ft lbs of torque i think and it was only a 2.6 liter.

  • wrc cars have limited hp due to mandatory intake restriction but they still produce 600+Nm of torque. to get massive torque from a rotary you have to rev the hell out of them. the simple fact is that a large capacity v8 has much greater reciprocating mass and max torque is delivered much lower in the rev range.

  • i have 2 agree with ChaosEnigma1978.

    my mate has a Mazda RX4 with a 13B. he says its a great car but the big down side is that there is almost no torque in low to mid range rpm.

    i love rotaries but if u realy want something with hude usable torque that will get u going easily, get a V8

  • congradulations...you have torque, you can officially go in a straight line. someday you'll graduate to top end speed and handling.

  • torque is much more than just straight line speed, my friend. as for top end speed, a high torque v8 etc will push beyond the limits of the vehicles drag, while a rotary will generally run out of steam unless the car is light and aerodynamic. plenty of v8 vehicles have high top end and great handling, just not many that are made in the US. don't get me wrong, i'm a fan of the mechanical simplicity of the wankel engine, i just hate having to rev the anus out of an engine to find torque.

  • high torque v8 = more weight, rx7 with rotary engine is extremely light with 50/50 weight distribution. i'll keep my turbo rotary thanks! lol

  • The LS1 is actually a very light engine. Thanks to all that "Aluminum". Weighs about the same as a 13B-REW with the stock turbos and manifolds. Now a 13B with "Aluminum" side plates....thats a whole differen't story.

  • because any other motor would fuck his weight distribution. the rotor, however, weighs about the same, if not less, than the 1.8 litre motor it has currently. it all depnds on what you are after. im a rotor fan myself but i wont shun the V8 just because i favor rotors!

  • rotaries are good if you have a small, lightweight shell and want to perform minimal modifications to a motor yet still produce a quick car. example, a mate of mine is currently fitting a 12a non turbo into his mazda 1800. perfect little drift car once its done, and it wont actually cost too much. and why?

  • if you have deep pockets and know what your doing, then the rotor cant be beat. sure you can use V8 power, but that means you need more power than normal to balance out the weight.

  • The 26B puts down 700hp unless de-tuned. I'm sure that guy is perfectly happy with his purchase, especially if he did the work himself. Besides that, the power-to-weight ratio is insane. In any case, I hope the owner can afford the maintenance on that thing. Not cost-efficient, but awesome nonetheless.

  • pretty sure thats an 808 or an rx3 with an 808 nosecone

  • um,,thats a rx3 (10a) front, or a 808 with a rx3 nosecone...you were close.

  • i thought rx3 nosecones looked different. the grille goes rounder at the bottom. does the 10a rx3 and the twin headlight 808 look the same?

  • What Car Is This?

  • Mazda RX3 26b quad rotor!

  • Ha? In an RX-3?? Is it Tubbed (Chassis)? How do You make it quad? (Does it require new custom made engine block?)

    Nice Job for puttin the motor in that car. Keep up the good work =)

  • You will need a machine shop and a bit of jing in your pocket to build that motor! It helps to have a few Aussie friends. They kick ass with Rotaries and are Very adept at building them!

  • Yeah the Chassis is Tubbed, built for Drag by the looks of it. I don't too much about Rotary Engines, this was me getting a first look at one and what an introduction too :) i'm impressed!

  • isnt a 26b 2x13b bolted together

  • yes, to a point, the concentric shaft for it is close to 8 grand though.

  • you mean eccentric shaft?

  • whatever, same thing/you get my drift/my mistake

  • No, he was right.

  • what a complete waste of money! can buy a decent 5.7 LS1 for that. would go much better and last 10 times longer!

  • I dunno, a rotary puts out a hell of alot of power for what it is, An LS1 puts out around 320-375 to the wheels.

    I can garuntee you this moptor puts out a heck of alot more than that,the 26b puts out around 700-800ish WITHOUT a turbo or any heavy modifications..

  • i dont doubt its got some grunt, not 800 hp maybe 500? all im saying is that for around 8000 you can get a brand new LS1, another 5000 for supercharger. 15000 you have a much faster and heaps more reliable toy. rotors are nothing but hassles and always have to be worked on. LS1..... just drive it!

  • Rotary is all about sound. But I totally agree with you.

  • people who know nothing about rotaries say they are not worth it. but you are wrong i see every day ls1s and 5.0s and 4.6l engines being beat by a 1.3l rotary. they are easy to build and if done right they are faster then a v8!

  • Exactly right here! 1.3L displacement eats 5+L of pissed-on (lack of) performance...

    Remember the wankel engine is really less than 100 years old too and still able to be developed so much more...

    Pistons were used in steam trains.. Nuff said...

  • oh and by the way the 26b in the 787b puts down 900hp.

  • i use to have a rotor but then i saw the light. you cant beat V8 power...... and more importantly, reliability! hey, if rotors are so good, why do rx7 owners ditch the chook cooker in replace of a V8? type in (RX7 LS1) and see why you cant beat a good V8!

  • they ditch it because they dont know how to work on it! or they dont know anything about it thats why!

  • power to weight of a rotary far out weighs a v8. i can see where you are coming from, you can push a lot of power out of a ls1. if you stick a v8 into a rx7 you will lose the 50/50 weight distribution,, and to get that back you will need a rear transaxle to balance it out.

    the rx3 went way too far, should have just got 20b.... way more reliable, cheaper maintenance, and you can pull it apart in 45mins

  • people who do that wanna be different. if they take a ls1 rx7 to a track or canyon road it sont last. itll be so front heavy the weight distibuton wil be destroyed. the 787b produced 900whp when it wasnt restricted. its a 2.6 compared to your 8 liter pos that sounds like shit.

  • Because they are dumb thats why... like this one dummy I met that did that swap... he was like(and I quote) after the ls1 swap I SAVED about 30lbs in total weight". I laughed at him and walked away.

  • yes he does sound like a dummy. but you would be a dummy if you didn't swap. rotors are the most unreliabe fukin motor ever made! yes they go hard.... but not for long! LS1... go hard and stay hard!

  • Well, the rotary is a much more reliable constant speed engine than ANY piston engine. But im a fan of turning also, and i would prefer to keep the car as light as possible and balanced( and that would be hard with a LS1 considering you have to weigh down the back some what) but to each his own. But i think any engine isn't reliable when its modified to hell.

  • yeah, i mean trouble free motoring thats all. my mate is in a rotor club and every cruise they go on, no bullshit, they have to stop at least half a dozen times to fix their cars. go on a v8 cruise, and it is just that. every1 just drives! no repairs.

  • lol if thats the case then your mate and his cruise friends have no idea how to build rotaries..... or like almost everyone of your comments your just talking shit to try and impress people with craptastic V8s

  • i am sorry the only way a rotary is unreliable is if there is POOR MAINTENANCE!!!! the only one that was ever close to unreliable was the Twin turbo 13B-re 3rd gen rx7.my 1983 gsl has 310k miles on the original 12a. the most unreliable engine is CHEVYS fuKin ECOTECH piece of shit 4cyl. worst motor ever.

  • Hah, another typical LS(insert #)zealot. N/A rotary engines, last a very long time nicklebutt....just ask anyone who owns a N/A FC. I can't speak for their forced induction counterparts though, thats when you can run into trouble. The LS series motor is a fine motor too, even if you find it in everything from a Caddy to a Vette, to Silverado, and all the other cars GM puts the damn things in. I don't care. I would drop a 4 rotor in a RX-7 just for the way it sounds. *shrugs*

  • GM put the motors into everything because they are so reliable. even the v8 supercars and formula 1 are all based on v8, v10 or v12's. i don't see any rotory supercars.....do you? all exotic supercars are iether v8,10 and 12's too. once again......no rotors! case dismissed!!!!

  • 26b Normally aspirated engine wins 24hours of Le-Mans rules changed after that, Norton wins Isle of Man race with rotary also. 99% R&D is for otto cycle engines but if same effort was invested in the wankel it might be different. The wankel is in its element durring high load high RPM operation where it actually is superior to gasoline Otto cycle in BSFC and output. Its HP to weight ratio is also superb. I love the piston engine but the wankel is sweet too.

  • The 24 hr Le-Mans race is perfect for the rotory engine because after 24hrs, the engines are fucked!

  • Yeah, that's why race teams don't have to even crack open their engines through most of a series. These engines last longer racing than they do put-putting around on short trips.

    There's a video on here somewhere of an FC that's beat on daily with a engine that was built 12 years ago and hasn't been opened since.

  • The Mercedes Benz C111 was the only rotary powered super car produced. Damn shame the fuel issues in the 70's came up and Mercedes board of directors pulled the plug on that project.

  • smart move...... look at fuel now! its just another reason why the rotory is such a poor engine.

  • Meh, Mercedes tends to be a rather conservative automaker, and they tend not to take on risky investments. Chyrsler is the exception to that rule.

    Poor engine for what? Fuel Economy? Since when did fuel economy matter for sports cars?

  • rotoary engines always smash , the V series mate

    its all a matter of power to weight ratio

    ask any engine expert mate

    but ofcourse the V8 fans will never admit to the rotary being the superior engine

  • Quality redneck comments as always from people like yourself.... V8s are so popular because any dumb shit can build one.....

    Im not sure what you have against rotaries but the Quad rotor with no turbo and no supercharger and only i think its 2.6litre and produces 760 something HP... i dont care what motor it is but that size and those numbers would impress anyone with a brain... dont be a hater :D

  • so true!!!! wish there was a betta vid. i wii hav 1 of mine up soon 13b turbo show 2 door gemi =P

  • Hey watch it. Im a redneck and I hate v8s. noisy heavy fuel hogs that still use 1930s tech.

  • Not to mention the Tesla can do a 255 mile trip with a $4 charge (going 120mph btw)

    Why the hell do we even use dino fuel anymore?

    Is this 2009 or 1909?

  • @Jacksonkellyfreak if you think a rotary engine is economically savvy on fuel consumption, you are sadly mistaken.

  • @Jacksonkellyfreak Rotarys consume a ridiculous amount of gas.

  • @305BoondockSaint Never said they didnt, just that Im sick of people thinking the chevy small block is the be all end all. some people just cant fathom that a foriegn car will outrun their 1986 camaro. i embarrassed the fuck out of some dude sayin my 7 was a toy and in his words: aint no way that there toy will outrun my 350. its a v8. i also have a 7.3 diesel and another guy said his 350 would outpull it and get better mileage.

  • @Jacksonkellyfreak People are ignorant. People talk far too much, I'd much rather let my car do the talking, now don't you agree?

  • @305BoondockSaint bingo. people who dont talk the shit are the ones with something serious under the hood

  • @305BoondockSaint youd think thats what people would do, but they would rather be loud and talk out their ass by bragging and being so damn smug about a car they own (or in a lot of cases, a car they're parents own and they throw a hissy fit if they dont give them the keys)

  • @Jacksonkellyfreak a 26b is noisy heavy and a fuel hog ;)

  • Thats why in the 70s GM produced a 4 rotor corvette. look it up. It was canceled because of the fuel crisis

  • Actuallt it was late 60s and the engine was having issues with cranks breaking. I'd almost bet they were cast iron.

  • I bet its because GMs dumbass ceos are too afraid to get away from cast iron. "Oh no, if it weighs less than 700 lbs people might think we had it made in japan." I hate GM and I really hope they go under, because Ive only owned 1 chevy. That was enough to turn me against them forever

  • Well sure. Cast=cheap. IF they wanted to build a good car they could. But that means less profits. They walked that fine line between a quality product and something most profitable. Like any AMERICAN company, profits ARE the bottom line and apperently it cost them the company.

  • @lazzer408 funny the ls series is all aluminium and is made by gm ... not to mention one of the best v8s made and strong as hell ...

  • @somerandomaussie yea but the bad thing about the aluminum ls engines is when the engine blows it really destroys the hole thing

  • @somerandomaussie yet it still has pushrods does it not? The most inferior valve gear possible, aka 1930's tech.

  • @Jacksonkellyfreak the ls7 weighs less then the 26b in this video...

  • You've never seen what a quad rotor can do, then.

  • lets c in on da road man !

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