I think he mixed up Atheism and Anarchy... because as an Atheist, I know the difference between right and wrong, I might not call it a sin, but it's a little something called against the law. I've also never heard about this "new-Atheist" thing... Atheism is Atheism... There is no God.
“To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?” ― Christopher Hitchens on Christianity
You may think what you like. One is still a Catholic whether or not they go to church every Sunday and whether or not they agree with all the Vatican policies.
My point is that the poster of the video should not be hating on 'atheists in pews' and that Catholics should not hate on other religions- which is what Jesuit Universalism teaches. Its not a religious idea to HATE on people. Blessed are the merciful, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. matt. 5:7
@blackhawkfan54 That's where you are WRONG!!! It is not ME saying you are NOT a catholic. It is the Catholic Church in her catechism. If you dont 'agree' with this or that thing/doctrine/dogma/teaching, by definition you are excluing yourself from the church, whether you insinst in calling yourself a catholic or not, that is up to you, but the church would certainly not say, if for instance, that a woman who ordains herself as a 'priest', is a catholic. Sorry to burst your bubble!
Hear what God of Israel YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH (Son and Father are ONE) saying to our generation by His chosen prophets: Trumpetcallofgodonline. com ; Letter called "Purify Your Faith, and Come to the Father as It is Written": EXCERPT: "Only in the Bible and through these very Letters, of which I have given to My prophet of the end of this age, shall you find Him and know Him."
I am thinking about becoming Catholic but I am afraid that they will not accept me. Catholics these days are suspicious of new converts and shun them. They will not accept me because I am was not born a Catholic. No wonder the Catholic Church is losing members. I hope one day they will accept me.
@NewUser21111 My friend I can assure you that Catholics will welcome you home with open arms. I teach RCIA classes at my church and we are constantly welcoming people to the Catholic Church and the community of people are always very welcoming of the new people. I apologize for any negative experience you might have had where anyone ever made you feel less than welcome.
@100PercentCatholic well thank you very much for that. I still want to become a Catholic even if I find resistance that will not stop me. I am wondering how long do RCIA classes last before you become a full Catholic?
@NewUser21111 We try and do it more when the person is ready and not based on a certain amount of time. If a person enters the program in September, they usually will make their sacraments by Easter. Sometimes people are not ready and still have a lot of questions, and they choose to stay in the program another year. That is ok too. We don't try to pressure anyone and let everyone move at their own pace.
I was raised Catholic and while I don't go to church for various personal reasons... but still practice on my own.
I think today's Catholics are still very accepting people. I'm not sure of what issues you are concerned about. But I wish you well on your quest. I want to say one thing- at times if you are ever in doubt or feel mislead even by the RCC members- seek a Jesuit priest. They will put things in the right perspective and answer your questions.
al the people who have a dig at the catholic church because of a small minority of priests abusing children must be delusional to the world around them. pedophiles will find anyway to get in to a job that gives them a place where they can work with children and gain their trust, school teachers, priests, young offenders institutions, care workers, and so on, these people don't care about the job or faith, they care about getting into a position of trust with children.
True. It isnt so much that- as it is about what happened in 70s with the APA. Unfortunately some abuses do not get treated as a 'disorder' today.
Unfortunately some people look at the scandal- the wrong way. Satan enacts his evil within the highest way possible- because it causes that many more people to disbelieve. Unfortunately- it worked. If only they understood we were warned over 100 yrs ago of Satans attempts to destroy the church in the future.
if there would of been no God or Catholic Religion, there would of been no peace here on earth at all. Christ born and died for our sins, to show us our way of life and how to enter heaven. He is the only son of God and only through him to enter kingdom of heaven.
@100PercentCatholic Exactly. But the church has to be able to accept and adapt to different people and not be so strict. Like the reason why I left the Catholic faith is because I was experiencing beautiful holy spirit manifestations and beautiful prophecy gifts... and the Catholic church thinks im crazy. Church is supposed to be Love and happiness. but the church in reality... none of that. (not all churches) We should have done all we can to be one body. Not be so closed minded
@PleaseLoveJesus I am sorry for the people that made you feel like that. I happen to know that the Catholic Church is very receptive to holy spirit manifestations and prophecy gifts. I attended a charismatic conference last month, and a lot of that was going on. Like it says in 1 Cor 12:14, one body, many parts. Everyone has their own gifts. Some individual Catholics may not understand that and make you feel alienated, but they do not speak for all Catholics and the Church as a whole.
@pmk422 I guess he was just trying to make a point that he had a seriously distorted image of God. He believed that whatever his conscience said was ok, then God must think it is ok. His image of God was pretty much himself.
The problem with Catholicism is that it promotes doctrines and teachings that are contrary to what Scripture proclaims as truth. While the Bible says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God", Catholicism promotes Mary as sinless. While God prohibits the use of graven images in worship, Catholicism promotes the making of all kinds of images in churches and homes as an aid in worship. Catholicism claims to be apostolic but none of the apostles claimed infallibility when they preach.
@mpenaco The Bible is a Catholic book. The CC gave it to us, so nothing in it is contrary to Catholic belief. Your fallible interpretation may go against CC belief, but why do you have the correct interpretation? There are thousands of different Christian denominations that use the Bible as the sole authority yet all believe something different. Here is a ?. What makes Bible the word of God? How do you know what 27 books belong in the NT? Where does the Bible tell us this?
@100PercentCatholic If the CC gave us the Bible then we should expect the CC to follow its teachings and guard it against doctrines that go against its teachings. For example, the Bible simply tells us that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" but the CC is promoting Mary as sinless. How do you reconcile that?
@100PercentCatholic What makes the Bible the word of God? Simply because the Bible itself says so:
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Tim. 3:16)
@mpenaco U believe the Bible is the word of God because it says so? Do you also believe the Quran is the word of God because it says so. If I write a book and say it is the word of God would you believe that too? And this verse simply says all scripture. How do you know what scripture is? What books belong in the Bible and which do not. There were many other writings of the time. Where does the Bible list all 27 books that belong in the Bible? Give me a chapter and verse please.
@100PercentCatholic Anyone and any religion can claim that what they preach comes from God. How do we know if a certain teaching is from God? Paul's answer: Check Scripture everyday to see if what is being preached is the truth from God (Acts 17:11). How did Jesus defend himself against Satan's temptations? Did he use tradition or any authority besides Scripture? No, he starts his arguments against Satan by saying "IT IS WRITTEN". Is Quran from God? No, because it contradicts Scripture.
@mpenaco But why is scripture the word of God? The only reason you have given me is because scripture says so. Again, if I write a book and say it is the word of God, does that make it the word of God?
@100PercentCatholic "But why is scripture the word of God? The only reason you have given me is because scripture says so."
Does God's word need any higher authority to validate it? God's word is the supreme court of truth. What it says is final and needs no one to validate what it says. But every other teaching needs to be validated by Scripture for truthfulness.
@mpenaco You are doing an excellent job at dancing around my question. Tell me specifically, of all the writings from the time of Jesus, how do we know which 27 books belong in the New Testament? Does the Bible tell us this somewhere? Is there a Holy Spirit inspired table of contents? Did the Bible fall out of the sky after Jesus ascended into heaven?
@100PercentCatholic With very few exceptions, christians all over the world use virtually the same Bible that Catholics use so to ask which 27 books belong in the New Testament is irrelevant and pointless. When I say that certain Catholic doctrines contradict the Bible, I am referring to the Bible that both you and I recognize as the word of God. For instance, is Romans 3:23 in your Bible? Is Psalm 51:5 in your Bible? If not then your question is valid.
@mpenaco If you accept the Bible as the word of God, then you should at least know where it came from. How can you accept everything in it if you do not know where it came from? You just believe what everybody has always told you that the Bible is the word of God. That is pretty blind faith my friend. My point is very valid because you say that scripture is our sole authority, yet no where does scripture tell us what books belong in the Bible. So there must be some other authority, correct?
@100PercentCatholic If you accept the Bible as the word of God, you should be concerned about teachings being fed to you by your church that contradict what the Bible says. If you believe there are other inspired teachings not in Scripture, then you should apply what Paul says: Examine Scripture to see if what those other teachings say is true. God is perfect and does not make errors in what he reveals to us. If a teaching is true, then others that are contrary must be false.
@100PercentCatholic "You are doing an excellent job at dancing around my question. Tell me specifically, of all the writings from the time of Jesus, how do we know which 27 books belong in the New Testament?"
All I know is that the books of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation are inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. If there are other writings claiming to be inspired, they must support and not contradict what is in the Bible. That is what the Bible teaches.
@mpenaco I agree with you that the Bible is the word of God. But you still haven’t told me why it is the word of God. There were other writings at the time of Jesus. How do we know which belong in the Bible? How did God reveal this to us? Is the only reason you believe the Bible is the word of God is because your parents/pastor/friends told you this and you never questioned it?
@100PercentCatholic " But you still haven’t told me why it is the word of God."
The Bible is the word of God not according to any human authority but according to the word of God itself. The Bible is its own authority, its own defender and interpreter. Its authority surpasses anything that is created by man so when it says it is the word of God, it should be accepted by all God's people without question. When it says it is God-breathed, it should stand as the supreme standard of truth.
@100PercentCatholic " There were other writings at the time of Jesus. How do we know which belong in the Bible?"
The books that comprise the Bible today were written by men and women who were under the inspiration of Holy Spirit. I believe the Holy Spirit is behind the labors of those who worked to determine which writings were inspired and which were not. I believe that the Bible contains all that God intended to reveal to his people throughout the ages until Christ returns.
@mpenaco So you agree that there were labors of those who worked to determine which writings were inspired and which were not. Good, now we are getting somewhere. Now, what authority did they have to do this? If your answer is the Holy Spirit inspired them, then how did they know they were inspired? Before Jesus left, did he give certain people authority to determine the canon of scripture?
@100PercentCatholic God was very much in contact with his people even after Jesus departed. For example, the message of Revelation was given to John through a vision from God. Similarly, the gospel writers, moved by the Holy Spirit, recorded the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Luke recorded the Acts of the Apostles. All the writings that now comprise the Bible are ultimately authored by God who works wonders through his people. For that reason, the Bible is to be held as the supreme authority.
@campaigners "Where in the Bible does it say that we should go by the Bible Alone?
The Bible doesn't just say it, it proclaims that truth by examples:
1) When Jesus was tempted while fasting, he used Scripture alone to defend himself. No appeal was made to any other authority.(Mat. 4:1-11)
2) Paul never claimed infallibility for his teachings. He praised the Bereans for checking Scripture everyday to see if what he said was true. (Acts 17:11)
@campaigners One of the uses of God's word is as our weapon to fight evil. When Jesus battled Satan after fasting for 40 days, his only weapon is the word of God. Did he get it from various sources? Did he pray the Hail Mary to fight Satan? Did he call on any saint to protect him? No, Jesus got his weapon from Scripture alone, saying "IT IS WRITTEN". We should do the same.
@campaigners You will not find the terms "Bible Alone" or "Scripture Alone" in the Bible but the message is there. For example, in Acts 17:11, Paul's message is for us to always refer to Scripture whenever we encounter any new teaching to see if it is the truth or not. In Matthew 4:1-11, Jesus used Scripture only to fight Satan's temptations. In 2 Tim. 3:16-17, Paul tells us that we are made complete and thoroughly equipped for good work by all of Scripture.
@campaigners I laid you a trap and you fell right into it. So you believe Scripture Alone is wrong because Jesus did not say it. So what do we say about your church's claim that the Marian doctrines, the purgatory, and the pope's infallibility are biblical and therefore come from God? Jesus never mentioned about these doctrines so why on earth should we believe in them?
Thank you for believing that the Bible Alone or Scripture Alone is unbiblical. The "Bible Alone" belief first made its appearance historically in the 16th century.
@campaigners If Bible Alone is wrong because Christ didn't say it, then majority of Catholic doctrines are wrong as well because Jesus did not say them. For example, Jesus never said there is purgatory; or that Mary was immaculate, or that the pope would be infallible when speaking about faith and morals, or that Mary is queen of heaven and earth. Your church says these are Biblical truths but following your criteria, all of these will be rendered false.
@campaigners " The "Bible Alone" belief first made its appearance historically in the 16th century."
Wrong! The "Bible Alone" principle was first used by Jesus when trying to fight Satan after fasting for 40 days. He used Scripture alone without referring to tradition or any other authority. The Bereans were praised for examining Scripture alone in trying to establish whether Paul's teachings were true. Again, authority is placed on Scripture alone.
I think the catholics are right on this. Jesus did not use "scripture alone" on that passage
An idiot like you automatically assumed that just because Jesus said "it is written..." after fasting, that it means "scripture only or alone" when it doesn't say that. In that same chapter, Jesus said "it also says,..." (Luke 4: 12).
Jesus never referred to scripture alone so don't fool people with your lies.
@x3grenadier That's what you think but Scripture says otherwise. In 2 Tim. 3:16-17, Paul says "all Scripture is God breathed". For what purpose? "So that the man of God may be complete and thoroughly equipped for every good work." If Scripture makes the man of God complete, why do we need to look for anything else?
2 Tim 3:16-17 says "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness." "so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work."
Clearly, God is using scripture as useful, not as an absolute (or complete) as your idiotic misinterpretation and lies illustrate.
the Catholics seem right that Scripture Only is not found in the Bible
@x3grenadier Am I Satan for insisting that Scripture is God-inspired and therefore should be our supreme source of spiritual truths? But using your own argument that "Scripture Only is not found in the Bible" therefore the Catholics are right, I can also accuse you of practicing heresies for believing that Mary is immaculate, that there is purgatory, and that the pope is infallible when speaking about faith and morals because ALL OF THESE ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE!
@x3grenadier "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" (2 Tim. 3:16-17)
If All Scripture makes the man of God perfect and thoroughly furnished unto all good works, what do we need traditions for?
@campaigners How about the phrase "That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works"? Does it not mean sufficient and complete?
@campaigners Tradition is in the Bible alright but Christ specifically warned us against following them:
"They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!' Mk. 7:7-9
@campaigners Traditions that go against Holy Scriptures are what Christ condems. And that's exactly what RCC is doing - making traditions like the marian doctrines, papal infallibility and purgatory that contradict what Christ, the prophets and the apostles taught.
@campaigners Read 2 Thess 2:15 again please! its says "hold fast to traditions, WHETHER ORAL OR BY LETTER." I emphasized that to make you aware that the traditions Paul was talking about was the same message whether delivered in writing or by word of mouth. They are not different message otherwise he would have said "oral AND by letter". Simple understanding will tell you that the Gospel was preached in 2 ways: by letter and by word of mouth. But the message of it is the same!
@campaigners Not everything Jesus said is recorded in Holy Scripture but how do you know that the Marian doctrines were among those not recorded? Will you trust the teachings of your church even though Christ and the apostles never taught them? Did not Paul praise the Bereans for checking the Scriptures to see if what Paul himself taught are in there?
Satan, you're not only evil and a deceiver but also stupid!!!
I asked which protestant cult you belong to and you evaded the question. I bet your pastor must be very proud of you turning you into a little rotten scoundrel that you are.
@x3grenadier Satan is the master deceiver, the one who hides behind the cover of an earthly religion. You will know him by his fruits. Your church promotes all kinds of false doctrines and practices. That is the religion of Satan of which you are a proud member.
Satan, why are you afraid to tell the world the protestant cult that you belong? Why? Is your cult started by a false prophet? Are you hiding your cult from being "discovered" and "researched"? Is your cult satanic?
@x3grenadier Why are you so concerned about which religion I belong? Don't you know that Christ specifically said that your religion cannot save you? True religion is when you help those who are the least in our society, including those helpless children which your priests tried to molest for decades.
Satan! Your cult cannot save you. You're afraid to reveal your cult affiliation because you know in your heart that it was started by some false prophet. Why are you afraid? Are you afraid that your cult will be under the radar? Your own pastors are probably involved in sexually abusing their own parishioners.
Satan! why are you afraid to reveal your cult following? If you strongly believed in your cult faith, why not share your affiliation with everyone? Why hide? It's probably you cannot defend your cult activities.
@x3grenadier On the contrary, it is your church that has become the "synagogue of Satan" by allowing perverted dogmas and doctrines including pervert priests to govern your actions. As Christ said, "you will know them by their fruits." Your church's evil fruits testify to your being a slave to Satan. Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus!
Satan! You are afraid to reveal the cult you belong to. Why? Because you are AFRAID to reveal it! You cannot defend it and its practices so you deflect attention from you and your cult by attacking others.
Punk, you must be enjoying your "synagogue of Satan" cult because you cannot even defend it. Your inability to answer a simple question reveals about your demented character and fear of being discovered.
@x3grenadier You don't earn praise from God by cursing other people. I said your church has become a "synagogue of Satan" for its wanton disregard for God's commandments and for replacing God's Word with traditions of men. Your church is the blind leading you, another blind.
@x3grenadier You are an embarrassment to your own church, I hope you realize that. Your words reflect someone who has not tasted the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Satan, why are you afraid to tell the world the cult your belong? Don't you have the courage to say it? Is it because your cult's practices are indefensible? Is it because of the brainwashing that you have received?
Did your cult forbids you to reveal it? Satan, why are you afraid?
@x3grenadier I belong to the true church that Jesus founded. Belonging to a religious organization is not necessary for salvation. Your religion cannot save you so stop worshiping your church. Worship God instead. Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@x3grenadier When you call someone "Satan", you are guilty under God's holy Law of judging another person. So when you quote Matt. 7:1, try reflecting on it yourself because I believe the warning applies more to you than to me.
@x3grenadier It is easy to accuse someone of spreading lies and hatred without providing any evidence. You accuse me of spreading lies and hatred but without any proof, that accusation means nothing. Jesus accused the pharisees of his time of being hypocrites, brood of vipers and blind guides but he has the evidence for these charges. So I dare you to provide proof for your accusations or you will be treated like the boy who cried wolf -- no one believes you.
@x3grenadier You call me Satan for believing that Scripture contains the absolute truth and the supreme authority on matters of faith? Then you're guilty of calling Jesus "Satan" because Jesus himself used Scripture alone to fight Satan's temptations after fasting for 40 days. Traditions are never a source of truth for Jesus. He even accused the pharisees for replacing the word of God with their traditions.
@mpenaco your second paragragh IS your own tradition! 2 Tim 3;16 "All scripture is given......" Catholic understanding ---- "Only scripture is given......." Your understanding. All and Only are not synonyms your Catholic brother
@CSSDINC The problem with Catholic "traditions" is that they are not the teachings of the prophets and the apostles. What counts for tradition in the Catholic faith is anything the pope and the magisterium pronounces as dogma and doctrine. The Marian doctrines for example, are not from Christ, the prophets or the apostles. They are purely man-made, products of the evolving Catholic organization. But such doctrines find no support from the traditions of ancient Christianity.
@mpenaco I agree with using scripture to teach, refute opponents and defend truth. I do this all the time. But where does scripture say to only use scripture? Where is the word “only” in any verse that you have provided that you claim states that we should “only” use scripture?
@100PercentCatholic If you want to use other writings or traditions to support your beliefs, you may do so provided they do not contradict Scripture which we both acknowledge as the word of God. The problem is, there are many practices in your church traditions that contradict Scripture. Such practices as making of graven images for worship, calling on a dead person's spirit to assist in prayer, the belief in purgatory, etc. do not align with the teachings of Scripture and must be rejected.
@mpenaco They don't contradict scripture. They contradict your fallible interpretation of scripture. A good site that shows how all catholic beliefs are rooted in scripture is scripturecatholic . com You will see how all these objections you raise or deeply rooted in scripture.
@campaigners "Where in the Bible does it say that we should go by the Bible Alone when it comes to all matters pertaining to faith and morals? Scripture verse?
When I read 2 Tim. 3:16-17, I get the message that all of Scripture makes the man of God complete and thoroughly equipped for every good work. It is easy to conclude from there that Scrpture alone is what the man of God needs. Everything else is unnecessary baggage.
@100PercentCatholic "If I write a book and say it is the word of God would you believe that too?"
Again, applying the standard of Scripture, we test everything you say in your book against Scripture. If what you say agree and support Scripture, then I say you are a friend of God and what you say should be accepted as truth. That principle applies to all other teachings including those of your church.
@mpenaco But you still didnt answer the question. "Of all the writings from the time of Jesus, how do we know which 27 books belong in the New Testament? Does the Bible tell us this somewhere? Is there a Holy Spirit inspired table of contents? Did the Bible fall out of the sky after Jesus ascended into heaven?"
@dis00612 I believe God is behind every word that is revealed to us in Scripture today. From the days of Moses to the last disciple whom God used to commit His word to writing, the Holy Spirit made sure that everything that God intended to reveal to His people finds it way into the hearts and minds of His beloved elect. I believe that the books of the Bible today constitute the Scripture which Paul refers to as God-breathed in 2 Tim. 3:16 against which all other teachings must conform.
@campaigners If you believe the Bible is the Word of God, you don't need anything to back it up, for what is more authoritative than God's word? If you say your word is truth because you say so, then you commit the fallacy of circular reasoning. But that's not the case when God says his word is truth because he says so. You take God's word as truth and the standard against which all other teachings must be judged.
@x3grenadier Well, you can call me anything you want, that's fine by me. If believing that Scripture is the Christian's supreme authority in matters of faith, ethics, law and morals is stupid, then I plead guilty. But I'm in good company. Jesus upheld Scripture's supreme authority when Satan tried to lure him to commit sin. Paul did not boast of his teachings as being infallible but encouraged his audience to constantly examine Scripture to see if what he was teaching them were true.
Do humanity a favor, take that guitar of yours and smashed it on top of your head. That will cracked the bigoted rocks inside your skull and shake them loose
@x3grenadier I'm not a bit surprised by your reaction. When Jesus started calling attention to the false teachings of the religious leaders of his time, they became so mad they had him crucified and nailed to a cross. The Bible says the word of God is like a two-edged sword. No wonder you reacted the way you did.
@x3grenadier When you have priests in your church molesting helpless children and your church authorities failing to discipline those priests in accordance with the word of God, would you not be bothered by it? Would you not rather question your church's disregard of Paul's warning concerning sexual immorality within the church? Sorry to say this but I believe your continued defense of your church's false practices and beliefs is worse than being a stupid dummy!
@mpenaco If you base your religion on sinful humans instead of God and Church teaching, you will always be let down. Jesus promised weeds among the wheat. The apostles did not leave the early church because of Judas. You always have to distinguish between the infallible mystical body of Christ and the fallible institution of the church. Not making excuses for any priests. They should be dealt with just like anybody who tried to cover it up. Try and keep your arguments on church teachings.
@100PercentCatholic "If you base your religion on sinful humans instead of God and Church teaching, you will always be let down."
This is exactly what's happening to your church. Because of man-made teachings like the Marian doctrines, purgatory and papal infallibility, the Catholic church is letting its members down. Respect for the priesthood is at an all-time low. They have replaced the truth with false traditions that contribute nothing but false hopes on the part of the poor members.
So you admit that those abusive priests are part of the weeds. Can the weeds become wheat? If not, why are those priests still allowed to serve as priests?
@100PercentCatholic "Not making excuses for any priests. They should be dealt with just like anybody who tried to cover it up."
This is exactly the problem. Your church authorities who are supposedly the experts in Bibilical interpretation and the guardians of God's word, are not handling these problem priests in accordance with God's instructions. While God's word prescribes excommunication(cutting off from the fellowship), your church allowed them to continue serving as priests.
Church teachings are not limited to what your popes or magisterium or priests say or proclaim. The actions of your church authorities also form part of your church teachings. In fact, your actions speak louder than your words. So if your priests teach that we should protect the least of our brothers and sisters but proceed to molest children in secret, do you think their teaching is worth anything to those who hear?
@mpenaco God doesn’t take anyone’s free will away. Do you think they lose their free will because they become priests? There were bad people in the early church (Ananias and Sapphira, Acts 5:1-11, Simon Magus of Samaria, Acts 8:9-24). Don't confuse the Church with its sinful membership. Founded by Jesus, the Church is unblemished and pure. It contains the fullness to truth revealed to us. It members, fallen creatures in constant need of conversion, does not take away from that truth.
@100PercentCatholic The true Church does not tolerate actions that go against the will of God. The difference between the true Church vs the secular society is that the true Church operates under the rules God gave, while society runs by man-made rules. So when God says acts of sexual immorality must be punished with excommunication, the Church follows and applies it without any compromise. But in many cases, it is society that actually enforced God's will, not your church.
@mpenaco Also, the media likes to only attack Catholics, but sexual abuse happens in every religion. The site reformation . com sheds a little light on that. And it is probably ten times more likely to happen to your kid in a public school. But the way the media portrays us it is like every priest is a predator.
@100PercentCatholic "Also, the media likes to only attack Catholics, but sexual abuse happens in every religion."
If the same kind of evil exists in your church as it does in other religions and public schools, then there is no difference between your church and the world! Your church's standards of ethics and morals are not much different from those of non-Christian societies. You have lost your saltiness and deserves nothing except to be trodden underfoot by men.
You REALLY are a dummy and a fool !!! I'm not even Catholic. I have many friends that are Catholics just as I have many friends that are Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and so on.
Running out of arguments? You brought up this church molesting thing thinking that I am Catholic so you can put me on the defensive.
Protestants are just as bad if not worse than Catholics in this department, so don't be a hypocrite and point fingers at other people.
@x3grenadier "Protestants are just as bad if not worse than Catholics in this department, so don't be a hypocrite and point fingers at other people."
You don't get points in heaven by comparing religions. Just because other religions have the same evil does not make Catholicism or Protestatism right. If your own religion claims to be Christian, that claim is nothing but hypocricy if child molestation and homosexual perversions are being tolerated.
You don't get points too by singling out a certain religion or faith which you obviously did.
Child abuse is not to be tolerated either by Catholics or Protestants and both have failed in one way or another protecting some of the children in their care.
@x3grenadier Your church's actions speak louder than your words. It's easy for you to say that child abuse is not to be tolerated but look what your church authorities are doing for many decades of child abuse. Victims are resorting to civilian courts to seek redress because your church did not provide them the justice that Scripture prescribes.
@mpenaco - Your argument is fundamented on a very weak topic. The doctrines of the Christianity and the Catholic faith have nothing to do with sexual abuse that may or may not have happened in the church. If we could argue like that - using sex scandals - as motivations not to love the RCC, then how about the thousands of cases of sex abuse in the protestant churches that go unreported in the media? Take a look a this reformation dot (com). There is a list of offenders by denomination.
@Clipwizards So you think the doctrines of Christiianity have nothing to do with sexual abuse? Is that the reason why Catholic priests continue to commit sexual abuse on helpless children? When Christ said, "whatever you do to the least of my brothers you do it to me", is that not speaking of the helpless orphans that were victims of pervert priests in your church? Is that not a Christian teaching that RCC supports?
@mpenaco No, I removed it because it was not intelligible... English is not my first language. I re-posted it though...I was not free of mistakes, but a bit easier to understand....
@Clipwizards You and I are not free of mistakes. In fact, no human is free of mistakes. We all have sinned according to Scriptures. But the RCC is too proud to claim that Mary, a human being like you and me, was free of any mistakes. Is that not a bit arrogant?
@mpenaco - I meant 'it was not free of mistakes', I mistyped it... I know humans are not free of mistakes. I will not jump into the discussion of Mary before we have exausted the topic we've been talking about. OK? I am happy to discuss Mary, but 1st let me go back to your other comments. Thanks and God bless.
@Clipwizards No human is free of mistakes. We were created in God's image and likeness but we are not God and we are not perfect. For the RCC to claim perfection for a human is nothing but sheer arrogance. Scriptures clearly proclaim that "As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one." Rom. 3:10. So why does the RCC conitnue to ignore this and proclaim Mary as sinless?
@mpenaco I still sustain that sin - such as sex abuse, promicuity, murder, etc- has nothing to do with the teachins of Jesus, and thus with the doctrines of Christianity. U seem to b trying to twist my words. Why do u want to condemn the Church for the sins of men? would u go as far as to say that marriage should be banned because of the sin of adultery? Or that ALL teachers are bad because some sexually abuse their students, so schools shoul be closed?
@Clipwizards So the RCC is the Church and the men who comprise it are not? Is that what you're saying? Does God deal with an organization or with individuals? The RCC calls itself the true Church of God but God looks at the individual persons regardless of religion. So when you say the RCC is the Church even though the priests are doing immoral acts on children, that kind of claim is meaningless to God.
@mpenaco We are the body of Chirst... Men are individuals and their relationship with Jesus and God is personal, but the Church is the bride whom Jesus loves. In the Gospels we see how the 1st members of His body where imperfect sinners. One betrayed him, the other denied him 3 times...Does this make the mission of the Church less important or invalid? The Church will always be holy, inspite of the sins of her members, because the One who founded her IS holy!
@Clipwizards But the Church are the people who have a relationship with Jesus. You seem to have created two entities: the Church and the indvidual followers of Christ when in reality they are one and the same. The Church are the believers. It is not an establishment. It is the people who follow Christ. The religion created in Rome is not the Church. We are the Church, we who keep the commandments of God.
@mpenaco Rome did not creat a Religion, my friend. It only perpetuated through its work and witness the faith founded on Jesus. Her mission is to spread the Gospel, teach and build up the body of Christ, which she represents. She is the visible church of the Invisible community - the body of Christ. U seem to have very strong pre-conceived ideas and maybe you ought to find out if ur views are correct, through honest and impartial research. have u ever read any serious books on early christianity
@Clipwizards Rome created the Catholic religion that's for sure. She also created doctrines and dogmas that are foreign to the Gospel of Jesus. Neither Jesus nor the apostles preached the Marian doctrines, papal infallibility and purgatory. These are RCC's own gospel, but not the Gospel of Jesus.
@Clipwizards I'm saying that the true Church of God will bear the right fruits of the Kingdom - righteousness, peace and love. If the RCC is the true Church, we should see these fruits in your priests. But what we see is the opposite. And what's worse, the RCC is trying to hide pervert priests and move them to other parishes instead of punishing them according to what Scriptures say.
@mpenaco If you knew a fraction of the history of the Church you wound't even post this comment. Have you ever heard of Jean Marie Vianney, John of the Cross, Augustine, Aquinas, John Bosco....to name just a few. All holy presbiters of the Mother Church. Their fruits: The conversion of countless sinners, charity and love of the poor and downtrodden...oh, I wish you would take the blindfold of....Ask God to give you the Grace to know the truth, and re-search with NO bias. I pray you will do it.
@Clipwizards My point is, God will deal with us individually, not based on our religion. I am fully aware that there are many in the history of the RCC who have kept God's commandments and by their fruits, we know that they belong to God's Kingdom. They, along with the rest who obeyed God's Word are part of God's Church. They are the true bride, not any religion.
@mpenaco you talk as thouhg all priests were evil. do u know what percentage of priests have been accused of grave sins? and what percentage has actually been found guilty? is it right to condemn the entire school system because some teachers are peadophiles? In which case the view on the church should be no different. lastly, did u know that the church trial is on avarage quicker than the US courts regarding sexual offense? so why accuse the church investigation process?
@Clipwizards I blame the RCC for her evil priests because she failed to apply the sanctions provided for under God's Law which Paul confirmed in his letter to the Corinthian church concerning sexual immorality in the church. While God's Law and Paul prescribe excommunication, your church hides and recycles her evil priests. Instead of isolating the few bad tomatoes, your church simply moves them to another bunch of good tomatoes, causing more more contamination and decay.
@x3grenadier I belong to the God's true Church, embracing God's truth as revealed in Holy Scriptures. You on the other hand, embrace the RCC which teaches false dogmas and is a haven for child molesters.
@mpenaco Has a 2-year-old child sinned? Has Jesus sinned? Obviously, there are exceptions to this statement. Read that verse in context. When Paul says “All have sinned,” he was trying to let them know that no one is exempt from the need of God’s mercy, not trying to teach Marian doctrine. If you were going to teach someone how to build a computer, would you start by naming all the exceptions, or just by laying down the basics?
@100PercentCatholic Has a 2-year-old child sinned? Of course according to Scripture (Rom. 3:23).
Was God unfair for hating Esau before he was born? The truth is, we are all guilty of the sin of Adam even before we were born therefore, God is just and fair. What is amazing is that he loved Jacob despite being a sinner.
@mpenaco Regarding Original Sin, it is my understanding that the Catholic Church teaches that we all suffer the consequences of the sin of Adam and Eve, but we are not guilty of the their sin. Psalm 51 says that 'Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
and in sin did my mother conceive me.' Pslam 55 says something similar too, cant remameber the verse.
@Clipwizards You make God unjust by saying we suffer because of the sin of Adam and Eve although we are not guilty of that sin. So God punishes people for a sin they did not commit, is that what you're saying? But the Bible is :
"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." (1 Cor. 15:22)
@mpenaco Come on, You are trying to twist my words again! My statement does not make God unjust. Have you read the bible? What was the consequence of Adam & Eve sins to all humanity? Plz refer to the scriptures! I said we suffer the CONSEQUENCIES, that is, our sinfulness or inclination to sin is due to the sin of Adam & Eve, who were sinless when God created them, but became sinner by their own free will. To mention one consequence: labour pain for women!
@Clipwizards Go back and read your earlier post my friend. There you wrote this:
"the Catholic Church teaches that we all suffer the consequences of the sin of Adam and Eve, but we are not guilty of the their sin."
Your free will and mine has nothing to do with it. We are all sinners from the moment of our conception is what Scriptures say. We are all guilty of sin even before we were born.
@100PercentCatholic Has Jesus sinned? Let me answer that by quoting a prominent Catholic saint.
Augustine Bishop of Hippo: "He, Christ, alone being made a man but remaining God never had any sin nor did He take on flesh of sin, though He took flesh of the sin of His mother."
@100PercentCatholic There are no exceptions my friend. If there were, then Paul would have revealed it. David, the great king also testifies to our sinful condition when he said:
"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (Ps. 51:5)
I think he mixed up Atheism and Anarchy... because as an Atheist, I know the difference between right and wrong, I might not call it a sin, but it's a little something called against the law. I've also never heard about this "new-Atheist" thing... Atheism is Atheism... There is no God.
Valorisblack 2 weeks ago
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“To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?” ― Christopher Hitchens on Christianity
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blackhawkfan54 2 months ago
@blackhawkfan54 you are not a catholic then, it is as simple as that!
Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards
You may think what you like. One is still a Catholic whether or not they go to church every Sunday and whether or not they agree with all the Vatican policies.
My point is that the poster of the video should not be hating on 'atheists in pews' and that Catholics should not hate on other religions- which is what Jesuit Universalism teaches. Its not a religious idea to HATE on people. Blessed are the merciful, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. matt. 5:7
blackhawkfan54 3 weeks ago
@blackhawkfan54 That's where you are WRONG!!! It is not ME saying you are NOT a catholic. It is the Catholic Church in her catechism. If you dont 'agree' with this or that thing/doctrine/dogma/teaching, by definition you are excluing yourself from the church, whether you insinst in calling yourself a catholic or not, that is up to you, but the church would certainly not say, if for instance, that a woman who ordains herself as a 'priest', is a catholic. Sorry to burst your bubble!
Clipwizards 3 weeks ago
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TrumpetCallofGodLT 2 months ago
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10cannons 2 months ago
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dovie2blue 3 months ago in playlist 350 Dr. Ray Guarendi
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I am thinking about becoming Catholic but I am afraid that they will not accept me. Catholics these days are suspicious of new converts and shun them. They will not accept me because I am was not born a Catholic. No wonder the Catholic Church is losing members. I hope one day they will accept me.
NewUser21111 3 months ago in playlist RELIGIOUS
@NewUser21111 My friend I can assure you that Catholics will welcome you home with open arms. I teach RCIA classes at my church and we are constantly welcoming people to the Catholic Church and the community of people are always very welcoming of the new people. I apologize for any negative experience you might have had where anyone ever made you feel less than welcome.
100PercentCatholic 3 months ago 6
@100PercentCatholic well thank you very much for that. I still want to become a Catholic even if I find resistance that will not stop me. I am wondering how long do RCIA classes last before you become a full Catholic?
NewUser21111 3 months ago
@NewUser21111 We try and do it more when the person is ready and not based on a certain amount of time. If a person enters the program in September, they usually will make their sacraments by Easter. Sometimes people are not ready and still have a lot of questions, and they choose to stay in the program another year. That is ok too. We don't try to pressure anyone and let everyone move at their own pace.
100PercentCatholic 3 months ago
@NewUser21111
I was raised Catholic and while I don't go to church for various personal reasons... but still practice on my own.
I think today's Catholics are still very accepting people. I'm not sure of what issues you are concerned about. But I wish you well on your quest. I want to say one thing- at times if you are ever in doubt or feel mislead even by the RCC members- seek a Jesuit priest. They will put things in the right perspective and answer your questions.
blackhawkfan54 2 months ago
@NewUser21111 why would you like to become catholic?
jaloko 1 month ago
al the people who have a dig at the catholic church because of a small minority of priests abusing children must be delusional to the world around them. pedophiles will find anyway to get in to a job that gives them a place where they can work with children and gain their trust, school teachers, priests, young offenders institutions, care workers, and so on, these people don't care about the job or faith, they care about getting into a position of trust with children.
MrFollowingjesus 3 months ago
@MrFollowingjesus
True. It isnt so much that- as it is about what happened in 70s with the APA. Unfortunately some abuses do not get treated as a 'disorder' today.
Unfortunately some people look at the scandal- the wrong way. Satan enacts his evil within the highest way possible- because it causes that many more people to disbelieve. Unfortunately- it worked. If only they understood we were warned over 100 yrs ago of Satans attempts to destroy the church in the future.
blackhawkfan54 2 months ago
Is this Dr. Ray Guarendi?
tdmavens 4 months ago
@tdmavens Yes it is
100PercentCatholic 4 months ago
@100PercentCatholic --Dr.G, what is your field of practice?
TheBlackPhantom556 2 months ago
@TheBlackPhantom556 I am not Dr. G. My videos contain talks from a variety of talented speakers, Dr. G being one of them.
100PercentCatholic 2 months ago
if there would of been no God or Catholic Religion, there would of been no peace here on earth at all. Christ born and died for our sins, to show us our way of life and how to enter heaven. He is the only son of God and only through him to enter kingdom of heaven.
SiLeNTxKiLLeR32 6 months ago
God hates denominations. Stop making the gap wider.
PleaseLoveJesus 6 months ago
@PleaseLoveJesus I agree. God hates denominations. That is why he only started one church.
100PercentCatholic 6 months ago 8
@100PercentCatholic Exactly. But the church has to be able to accept and adapt to different people and not be so strict. Like the reason why I left the Catholic faith is because I was experiencing beautiful holy spirit manifestations and beautiful prophecy gifts... and the Catholic church thinks im crazy. Church is supposed to be Love and happiness. but the church in reality... none of that. (not all churches) We should have done all we can to be one body. Not be so closed minded
PleaseLoveJesus 6 months ago
@PleaseLoveJesus I am sorry for the people that made you feel like that. I happen to know that the Catholic Church is very receptive to holy spirit manifestations and prophecy gifts. I attended a charismatic conference last month, and a lot of that was going on. Like it says in 1 Cor 12:14, one body, many parts. Everyone has their own gifts. Some individual Catholics may not understand that and make you feel alienated, but they do not speak for all Catholics and the Church as a whole.
100PercentCatholic 6 months ago
@100PercentCatholic Your comment is only partially ignorant and foolish. God is not religious. People are religious. God is open to all.
JeffersonDinedAlone 1 month ago
church sucks!
Ikbencoolx 6 months ago
If you believe in a god you aren't an atheist. I don't understand his "new atheist" definition.
pmk422 7 months ago
@pmk422 I guess he was just trying to make a point that he had a seriously distorted image of God. He believed that whatever his conscience said was ok, then God must think it is ok. His image of God was pretty much himself.
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
The problem with Catholicism is that it promotes doctrines and teachings that are contrary to what Scripture proclaims as truth. While the Bible says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God", Catholicism promotes Mary as sinless. While God prohibits the use of graven images in worship, Catholicism promotes the making of all kinds of images in churches and homes as an aid in worship. Catholicism claims to be apostolic but none of the apostles claimed infallibility when they preach.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco The Bible is a Catholic book. The CC gave it to us, so nothing in it is contrary to Catholic belief. Your fallible interpretation may go against CC belief, but why do you have the correct interpretation? There are thousands of different Christian denominations that use the Bible as the sole authority yet all believe something different. Here is a ?. What makes Bible the word of God? How do you know what 27 books belong in the NT? Where does the Bible tell us this?
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic If the CC gave us the Bible then we should expect the CC to follow its teachings and guard it against doctrines that go against its teachings. For example, the Bible simply tells us that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" but the CC is promoting Mary as sinless. How do you reconcile that?
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco I answered this already
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic What makes the Bible the word of God? Simply because the Bible itself says so:
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Tim. 3:16)
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco U believe the Bible is the word of God because it says so? Do you also believe the Quran is the word of God because it says so. If I write a book and say it is the word of God would you believe that too? And this verse simply says all scripture. How do you know what scripture is? What books belong in the Bible and which do not. There were many other writings of the time. Where does the Bible list all 27 books that belong in the Bible? Give me a chapter and verse please.
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic Anyone and any religion can claim that what they preach comes from God. How do we know if a certain teaching is from God? Paul's answer: Check Scripture everyday to see if what is being preached is the truth from God (Acts 17:11). How did Jesus defend himself against Satan's temptations? Did he use tradition or any authority besides Scripture? No, he starts his arguments against Satan by saying "IT IS WRITTEN". Is Quran from God? No, because it contradicts Scripture.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco But why is scripture the word of God? The only reason you have given me is because scripture says so. Again, if I write a book and say it is the word of God, does that make it the word of God?
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic "But why is scripture the word of God? The only reason you have given me is because scripture says so."
Does God's word need any higher authority to validate it? God's word is the supreme court of truth. What it says is final and needs no one to validate what it says. But every other teaching needs to be validated by Scripture for truthfulness.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco You are doing an excellent job at dancing around my question. Tell me specifically, of all the writings from the time of Jesus, how do we know which 27 books belong in the New Testament? Does the Bible tell us this somewhere? Is there a Holy Spirit inspired table of contents? Did the Bible fall out of the sky after Jesus ascended into heaven?
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic With very few exceptions, christians all over the world use virtually the same Bible that Catholics use so to ask which 27 books belong in the New Testament is irrelevant and pointless. When I say that certain Catholic doctrines contradict the Bible, I am referring to the Bible that both you and I recognize as the word of God. For instance, is Romans 3:23 in your Bible? Is Psalm 51:5 in your Bible? If not then your question is valid.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco If you accept the Bible as the word of God, then you should at least know where it came from. How can you accept everything in it if you do not know where it came from? You just believe what everybody has always told you that the Bible is the word of God. That is pretty blind faith my friend. My point is very valid because you say that scripture is our sole authority, yet no where does scripture tell us what books belong in the Bible. So there must be some other authority, correct?
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic If you accept the Bible as the word of God, you should be concerned about teachings being fed to you by your church that contradict what the Bible says. If you believe there are other inspired teachings not in Scripture, then you should apply what Paul says: Examine Scripture to see if what those other teachings say is true. God is perfect and does not make errors in what he reveals to us. If a teaching is true, then others that are contrary must be false.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic "You are doing an excellent job at dancing around my question. Tell me specifically, of all the writings from the time of Jesus, how do we know which 27 books belong in the New Testament?"
All I know is that the books of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation are inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. If there are other writings claiming to be inspired, they must support and not contradict what is in the Bible. That is what the Bible teaches.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco I agree with you that the Bible is the word of God. But you still haven’t told me why it is the word of God. There were other writings at the time of Jesus. How do we know which belong in the Bible? How did God reveal this to us? Is the only reason you believe the Bible is the word of God is because your parents/pastor/friends told you this and you never questioned it?
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic " But you still haven’t told me why it is the word of God."
The Bible is the word of God not according to any human authority but according to the word of God itself. The Bible is its own authority, its own defender and interpreter. Its authority surpasses anything that is created by man so when it says it is the word of God, it should be accepted by all God's people without question. When it says it is God-breathed, it should stand as the supreme standard of truth.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic " There were other writings at the time of Jesus. How do we know which belong in the Bible?"
The books that comprise the Bible today were written by men and women who were under the inspiration of Holy Spirit. I believe the Holy Spirit is behind the labors of those who worked to determine which writings were inspired and which were not. I believe that the Bible contains all that God intended to reveal to his people throughout the ages until Christ returns.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco So you agree that there were labors of those who worked to determine which writings were inspired and which were not. Good, now we are getting somewhere. Now, what authority did they have to do this? If your answer is the Holy Spirit inspired them, then how did they know they were inspired? Before Jesus left, did he give certain people authority to determine the canon of scripture?
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic God was very much in contact with his people even after Jesus departed. For example, the message of Revelation was given to John through a vision from God. Similarly, the gospel writers, moved by the Holy Spirit, recorded the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Luke recorded the Acts of the Apostles. All the writings that now comprise the Bible are ultimately authored by God who works wonders through his people. For that reason, the Bible is to be held as the supreme authority.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
Where in the Bible does it say that we should go by the Bible Alone when it comes to all matters pertaining to faith and morals? Scripture verse?
campaigners 7 months ago
@campaigners "Where in the Bible does it say that we should go by the Bible Alone?
The Bible doesn't just say it, it proclaims that truth by examples:
1) When Jesus was tempted while fasting, he used Scripture alone to defend himself. No appeal was made to any other authority.(Mat. 4:1-11)
2) Paul never claimed infallibility for his teachings. He praised the Bereans for checking Scripture everyday to see if what he said was true. (Acts 17:11)
We must follow Jesus' and Paul's examples.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
"Where in the Bible does it say that we should go by the Bible Alone?
Answer: "The Bible doesn't just say it..." Correct: There is nothing in the Bible that says that we must use the Bible ALONE
By the way, Jesus did not say "Bible Alone" in the example that you gave
campaigners 7 months ago
@campaigners One of the uses of God's word is as our weapon to fight evil. When Jesus battled Satan after fasting for 40 days, his only weapon is the word of God. Did he get it from various sources? Did he pray the Hail Mary to fight Satan? Did he call on any saint to protect him? No, Jesus got his weapon from Scripture alone, saying "IT IS WRITTEN". We should do the same.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
Where in the Bible did Jesus says "Bible Alone" or "Scripture Alone"? Scripture verse?
campaigners 7 months ago
@campaigners You will not find the terms "Bible Alone" or "Scripture Alone" in the Bible but the message is there. For example, in Acts 17:11, Paul's message is for us to always refer to Scripture whenever we encounter any new teaching to see if it is the truth or not. In Matthew 4:1-11, Jesus used Scripture only to fight Satan's temptations. In 2 Tim. 3:16-17, Paul tells us that we are made complete and thoroughly equipped for good work by all of Scripture.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
Answer: "You will not find the terms "Bible Alone" or "Scripture Alone" in the Bible ..."
Correct: Jesus did NOT say "Bible Alone" or "Scripture Alone"
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we must rely solely on the Bible or Scripture Alone.
Thank you for admitting your fault and being honest about it.
campaigners 7 months ago
@campaigners I laid you a trap and you fell right into it. So you believe Scripture Alone is wrong because Jesus did not say it. So what do we say about your church's claim that the Marian doctrines, the purgatory, and the pope's infallibility are biblical and therefore come from God? Jesus never mentioned about these doctrines so why on earth should we believe in them?
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
Thank you for believing that the Bible Alone or Scripture Alone is unbiblical. The "Bible Alone" belief first made its appearance historically in the 16th century.
campaigners 7 months ago
@campaigners If Bible Alone is wrong because Christ didn't say it, then majority of Catholic doctrines are wrong as well because Jesus did not say them. For example, Jesus never said there is purgatory; or that Mary was immaculate, or that the pope would be infallible when speaking about faith and morals, or that Mary is queen of heaven and earth. Your church says these are Biblical truths but following your criteria, all of these will be rendered false.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@campaigners " The "Bible Alone" belief first made its appearance historically in the 16th century."
Wrong! The "Bible Alone" principle was first used by Jesus when trying to fight Satan after fasting for 40 days. He used Scripture alone without referring to tradition or any other authority. The Bereans were praised for examining Scripture alone in trying to establish whether Paul's teachings were true. Again, authority is placed on Scripture alone.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
Shut up Satan!
I think the catholics are right on this. Jesus did not use "scripture alone" on that passage
An idiot like you automatically assumed that just because Jesus said "it is written..." after fasting, that it means "scripture only or alone" when it doesn't say that. In that same chapter, Jesus said "it also says,..." (Luke 4: 12).
Jesus never referred to scripture alone so don't fool people with your lies.
x3grenadier 7 months ago
@x3grenadier That's what you think but Scripture says otherwise. In 2 Tim. 3:16-17, Paul says "all Scripture is God breathed". For what purpose? "So that the man of God may be complete and thoroughly equipped for every good work." If Scripture makes the man of God complete, why do we need to look for anything else?
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
Satan, you manipulator, liar, and deceiver!
2 Tim 3:16-17 says "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness." "so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work."
Clearly, God is using scripture as useful, not as an absolute (or complete) as your idiotic misinterpretation and lies illustrate.
the Catholics seem right that Scripture Only is not found in the Bible
x3grenadier 7 months ago
@x3grenadier Am I Satan for insisting that Scripture is God-inspired and therefore should be our supreme source of spiritual truths? But using your own argument that "Scripture Only is not found in the Bible" therefore the Catholics are right, I can also accuse you of practicing heresies for believing that Mary is immaculate, that there is purgatory, and that the pope is infallible when speaking about faith and morals because ALL OF THESE ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE!
mpenaco 7 months ago
@x3grenadier "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" (2 Tim. 3:16-17)
If All Scripture makes the man of God perfect and thoroughly furnished unto all good works, what do we need traditions for?
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
profitable = does not mean sufficient or enough
sorry to disappoint your fallible interpretation
campaigners 1 month ago
@campaigners How about the phrase "That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works"? Does it not mean sufficient and complete?
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Wrong!
Check your Bible verses. It is Bible plus Tradition. Sola Scriptura is NOT in the Bible
2 Thess 2:15 - hold fast to traditions, whether oral or by letter
John 21:25 - not everything Jesus said recorded in Scripture
campaigners 1 month ago
@campaigners Tradition is in the Bible alright but Christ specifically warned us against following them:
"They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!' Mk. 7:7-9
mpenaco 1 month ago
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campaigners 1 month ago
@mpenaco
nice try but you failed again
Mark 7 does not condemn ALL traditions but the tradition as interpreted by the Pharisees to slander Jesus
campaigners 1 month ago
@campaigners Traditions that go against Holy Scriptures are what Christ condems. And that's exactly what RCC is doing - making traditions like the marian doctrines, papal infallibility and purgatory that contradict what Christ, the prophets and the apostles taught.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@campaigners Read 2 Thess 2:15 again please! its says "hold fast to traditions, WHETHER ORAL OR BY LETTER." I emphasized that to make you aware that the traditions Paul was talking about was the same message whether delivered in writing or by word of mouth. They are not different message otherwise he would have said "oral AND by letter". Simple understanding will tell you that the Gospel was preached in 2 ways: by letter and by word of mouth. But the message of it is the same!
mpenaco 1 month ago
@campaigners Not everything Jesus said is recorded in Holy Scripture but how do you know that the Marian doctrines were among those not recorded? Will you trust the teachings of your church even though Christ and the apostles never taught them? Did not Paul praise the Bereans for checking the Scriptures to see if what Paul himself taught are in there?
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Satan, you're not only evil and a deceiver but also stupid!!!
I asked which protestant cult you belong to and you evaded the question. I bet your pastor must be very proud of you turning you into a little rotten scoundrel that you are.
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@x3grenadier Satan is the master deceiver, the one who hides behind the cover of an earthly religion. You will know him by his fruits. Your church promotes all kinds of false doctrines and practices. That is the religion of Satan of which you are a proud member.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Satan, why are you afraid to tell the world the protestant cult that you belong? Why? Is your cult started by a false prophet? Are you hiding your cult from being "discovered" and "researched"? Is your cult satanic?
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@x3grenadier Why are you so concerned about which religion I belong? Don't you know that Christ specifically said that your religion cannot save you? True religion is when you help those who are the least in our society, including those helpless children which your priests tried to molest for decades.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Satan! Your cult cannot save you. You're afraid to reveal your cult affiliation because you know in your heart that it was started by some false prophet. Why are you afraid? Are you afraid that your cult will be under the radar? Your own pastors are probably involved in sexually abusing their own parishioners.
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Satan! why are you afraid to reveal your cult following? If you strongly believed in your cult faith, why not share your affiliation with everyone? Why hide? It's probably you cannot defend your cult activities.
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@x3grenadier On the contrary, it is your church that has become the "synagogue of Satan" by allowing perverted dogmas and doctrines including pervert priests to govern your actions. As Christ said, "you will know them by their fruits." Your church's evil fruits testify to your being a slave to Satan. Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus!
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Satan! You are afraid to reveal the cult you belong to. Why? Because you are AFRAID to reveal it! You cannot defend it and its practices so you deflect attention from you and your cult by attacking others.
Punk, you must be enjoying your "synagogue of Satan" cult because you cannot even defend it. Your inability to answer a simple question reveals about your demented character and fear of being discovered.
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@x3grenadier You don't earn praise from God by cursing other people. I said your church has become a "synagogue of Satan" for its wanton disregard for God's commandments and for replacing God's Word with traditions of men. Your church is the blind leading you, another blind.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
You need to wear glasses and correct your myopia Satan
Don't spread your lies, hate, and cowardice in this channel or any other channel in YT
Why are you so cowardly to tell us the cult you belong to?
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@x3grenadier Even atheists have kinder words to say than you.
Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Satan! You should heed this verse yourself. You're # 1 when it comes to judging other people on this channel.
Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
You just exposed yourself as a hypocrite as well
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@x3grenadier You are an embarrassment to your own church, I hope you realize that. Your words reflect someone who has not tasted the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Satan, why are you afraid to tell the world the cult your belong? Don't you have the courage to say it? Is it because your cult's practices are indefensible? Is it because of the brainwashing that you have received?
Did your cult forbids you to reveal it? Satan, why are you afraid?
x3grenadier 3 weeks ago
@x3grenadier I belong to the true church that Jesus founded. Belonging to a religious organization is not necessary for salvation. Your religion cannot save you so stop worshiping your church. Worship God instead. Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
mpenaco 3 weeks ago
@x3grenadier When you call someone "Satan", you are guilty under God's holy Law of judging another person. So when you quote Matt. 7:1, try reflecting on it yourself because I believe the warning applies more to you than to me.
mpenaco 3 weeks ago
@mpenaco
Satan! Which cult fellowship do you belong to?
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@x3grenadier It is easy to accuse someone of spreading lies and hatred without providing any evidence. You accuse me of spreading lies and hatred but without any proof, that accusation means nothing. Jesus accused the pharisees of his time of being hypocrites, brood of vipers and blind guides but he has the evidence for these charges. So I dare you to provide proof for your accusations or you will be treated like the boy who cried wolf -- no one believes you.
mpenaco 3 weeks ago
@x3grenadier You call me Satan for believing that Scripture contains the absolute truth and the supreme authority on matters of faith? Then you're guilty of calling Jesus "Satan" because Jesus himself used Scripture alone to fight Satan's temptations after fasting for 40 days. Traditions are never a source of truth for Jesus. He even accused the pharisees for replacing the word of God with their traditions.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco your second paragragh IS your own tradition! 2 Tim 3;16 "All scripture is given......" Catholic understanding ---- "Only scripture is given......." Your understanding. All and Only are not synonyms your Catholic brother
CSSDINC 1 month ago
@CSSDINC The problem with Catholic "traditions" is that they are not the teachings of the prophets and the apostles. What counts for tradition in the Catholic faith is anything the pope and the magisterium pronounces as dogma and doctrine. The Marian doctrines for example, are not from Christ, the prophets or the apostles. They are purely man-made, products of the evolving Catholic organization. But such doctrines find no support from the traditions of ancient Christianity.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco I agree with using scripture to teach, refute opponents and defend truth. I do this all the time. But where does scripture say to only use scripture? Where is the word “only” in any verse that you have provided that you claim states that we should “only” use scripture?
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic If you want to use other writings or traditions to support your beliefs, you may do so provided they do not contradict Scripture which we both acknowledge as the word of God. The problem is, there are many practices in your church traditions that contradict Scripture. Such practices as making of graven images for worship, calling on a dead person's spirit to assist in prayer, the belief in purgatory, etc. do not align with the teachings of Scripture and must be rejected.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco They don't contradict scripture. They contradict your fallible interpretation of scripture. A good site that shows how all catholic beliefs are rooted in scripture is scripturecatholic . com You will see how all these objections you raise or deeply rooted in scripture.
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@campaigners "Where in the Bible does it say that we should go by the Bible Alone when it comes to all matters pertaining to faith and morals? Scripture verse?
When I read 2 Tim. 3:16-17, I get the message that all of Scripture makes the man of God complete and thoroughly equipped for every good work. It is easy to conclude from there that Scrpture alone is what the man of God needs. Everything else is unnecessary baggage.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic "If I write a book and say it is the word of God would you believe that too?"
Again, applying the standard of Scripture, we test everything you say in your book against Scripture. If what you say agree and support Scripture, then I say you are a friend of God and what you say should be accepted as truth. That principle applies to all other teachings including those of your church.
mpenaco 7 months ago
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@mpenaco But you still didnt answer the question. "Of all the writings from the time of Jesus, how do we know which 27 books belong in the New Testament? Does the Bible tell us this somewhere? Is there a Holy Spirit inspired table of contents? Did the Bible fall out of the sky after Jesus ascended into heaven?"
dis00612 7 months ago
@dis00612 I believe God is behind every word that is revealed to us in Scripture today. From the days of Moses to the last disciple whom God used to commit His word to writing, the Holy Spirit made sure that everything that God intended to reveal to His people finds it way into the hearts and minds of His beloved elect. I believe that the books of the Bible today constitute the Scripture which Paul refers to as God-breathed in 2 Tim. 3:16 against which all other teachings must conform.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
You've committed the fallacy of circular reasoning.
campaigners 7 months ago
@campaigners If you believe the Bible is the Word of God, you don't need anything to back it up, for what is more authoritative than God's word? If you say your word is truth because you say so, then you commit the fallacy of circular reasoning. But that's not the case when God says his word is truth because he says so. You take God's word as truth and the standard against which all other teachings must be judged.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
You're a stupid dummy
I believe in X because of Y
so I believe in Y because of X
You ought to go back to school and learn about logic instead of your circular reasoning logical fallacy.
x3grenadier 7 months ago
@x3grenadier Well, you can call me anything you want, that's fine by me. If believing that Scripture is the Christian's supreme authority in matters of faith, ethics, law and morals is stupid, then I plead guilty. But I'm in good company. Jesus upheld Scripture's supreme authority when Satan tried to lure him to commit sin. Paul did not boast of his teachings as being infallible but encouraged his audience to constantly examine Scripture to see if what he was teaching them were true.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@x3grenadier "I believe in X because of Y
so I believe in Y because of X"
This is worse than circular reasoning.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
No idiot, you're guilty of it.
x3grenadier 7 months ago
@mpenaco
Do humanity a favor, take that guitar of yours and smashed it on top of your head. That will cracked the bigoted rocks inside your skull and shake them loose
x3grenadier 7 months ago
@x3grenadier I'm not a bit surprised by your reaction. When Jesus started calling attention to the false teachings of the religious leaders of his time, they became so mad they had him crucified and nailed to a cross. The Bible says the word of God is like a two-edged sword. No wonder you reacted the way you did.
mpenaco 7 months ago
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campaigners 7 months ago
@mpenaco
I agree. A bigot and a hypocrite like you always has answers for all types of situations.
x3grenadier 7 months ago
@x3grenadier When you have priests in your church molesting helpless children and your church authorities failing to discipline those priests in accordance with the word of God, would you not be bothered by it? Would you not rather question your church's disregard of Paul's warning concerning sexual immorality within the church? Sorry to say this but I believe your continued defense of your church's false practices and beliefs is worse than being a stupid dummy!
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco If you base your religion on sinful humans instead of God and Church teaching, you will always be let down. Jesus promised weeds among the wheat. The apostles did not leave the early church because of Judas. You always have to distinguish between the infallible mystical body of Christ and the fallible institution of the church. Not making excuses for any priests. They should be dealt with just like anybody who tried to cover it up. Try and keep your arguments on church teachings.
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic "If you base your religion on sinful humans instead of God and Church teaching, you will always be let down."
This is exactly what's happening to your church. Because of man-made teachings like the Marian doctrines, purgatory and papal infallibility, the Catholic church is letting its members down. Respect for the priesthood is at an all-time low. They have replaced the truth with false traditions that contribute nothing but false hopes on the part of the poor members.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic "Jesus promised weeds among the wheat."
So you admit that those abusive priests are part of the weeds. Can the weeds become wheat? If not, why are those priests still allowed to serve as priests?
mpenaco 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic "Not making excuses for any priests. They should be dealt with just like anybody who tried to cover it up."
This is exactly the problem. Your church authorities who are supposedly the experts in Bibilical interpretation and the guardians of God's word, are not handling these problem priests in accordance with God's instructions. While God's word prescribes excommunication(cutting off from the fellowship), your church allowed them to continue serving as priests.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic "Try and keep your arguments on church teachings."
Church teachings are not limited to what your popes or magisterium or priests say or proclaim. The actions of your church authorities also form part of your church teachings. In fact, your actions speak louder than your words. So if your priests teach that we should protect the least of our brothers and sisters but proceed to molest children in secret, do you think their teaching is worth anything to those who hear?
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco God doesn’t take anyone’s free will away. Do you think they lose their free will because they become priests? There were bad people in the early church (Ananias and Sapphira, Acts 5:1-11, Simon Magus of Samaria, Acts 8:9-24). Don't confuse the Church with its sinful membership. Founded by Jesus, the Church is unblemished and pure. It contains the fullness to truth revealed to us. It members, fallen creatures in constant need of conversion, does not take away from that truth.
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic The true Church does not tolerate actions that go against the will of God. The difference between the true Church vs the secular society is that the true Church operates under the rules God gave, while society runs by man-made rules. So when God says acts of sexual immorality must be punished with excommunication, the Church follows and applies it without any compromise. But in many cases, it is society that actually enforced God's will, not your church.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco Also, the media likes to only attack Catholics, but sexual abuse happens in every religion. The site reformation . com sheds a little light on that. And it is probably ten times more likely to happen to your kid in a public school. But the way the media portrays us it is like every priest is a predator.
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic "Also, the media likes to only attack Catholics, but sexual abuse happens in every religion."
If the same kind of evil exists in your church as it does in other religions and public schools, then there is no difference between your church and the world! Your church's standards of ethics and morals are not much different from those of non-Christian societies. You have lost your saltiness and deserves nothing except to be trodden underfoot by men.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
You REALLY are a dummy and a fool !!! I'm not even Catholic. I have many friends that are Catholics just as I have many friends that are Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and so on.
Running out of arguments? You brought up this church molesting thing thinking that I am Catholic so you can put me on the defensive.
Protestants are just as bad if not worse than Catholics in this department, so don't be a hypocrite and point fingers at other people.
x3grenadier 7 months ago
@x3grenadier "Protestants are just as bad if not worse than Catholics in this department, so don't be a hypocrite and point fingers at other people."
You don't get points in heaven by comparing religions. Just because other religions have the same evil does not make Catholicism or Protestatism right. If your own religion claims to be Christian, that claim is nothing but hypocricy if child molestation and homosexual perversions are being tolerated.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
Satan!
You don't get points too by singling out a certain religion or faith which you obviously did.
Child abuse is not to be tolerated either by Catholics or Protestants and both have failed in one way or another protecting some of the children in their care.
x3grenadier 7 months ago
@x3grenadier Your church's actions speak louder than your words. It's easy for you to say that child abuse is not to be tolerated but look what your church authorities are doing for many decades of child abuse. Victims are resorting to civilian courts to seek redress because your church did not provide them the justice that Scripture prescribes.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco
What church do you belong to?
campaigners 7 months ago
@mpenaco - Your argument is fundamented on a very weak topic. The doctrines of the Christianity and the Catholic faith have nothing to do with sexual abuse that may or may not have happened in the church. If we could argue like that - using sex scandals - as motivations not to love the RCC, then how about the thousands of cases of sex abuse in the protestant churches that go unreported in the media? Take a look a this reformation dot (com). There is a list of offenders by denomination.
Clipwizards 7 months ago
@Clipwizards So you think the doctrines of Christiianity have nothing to do with sexual abuse? Is that the reason why Catholic priests continue to commit sexual abuse on helpless children? When Christ said, "whatever you do to the least of my brothers you do it to me", is that not speaking of the helpless orphans that were victims of pervert priests in your church? Is that not a Christian teaching that RCC supports?
mpenaco 1 month ago
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Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards why remove your comment? change your mind?
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco No, I removed it because it was not intelligible... English is not my first language. I re-posted it though...I was not free of mistakes, but a bit easier to understand....
Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards You and I are not free of mistakes. In fact, no human is free of mistakes. We all have sinned according to Scriptures. But the RCC is too proud to claim that Mary, a human being like you and me, was free of any mistakes. Is that not a bit arrogant?
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco - I meant 'it was not free of mistakes', I mistyped it... I know humans are not free of mistakes. I will not jump into the discussion of Mary before we have exausted the topic we've been talking about. OK? I am happy to discuss Mary, but 1st let me go back to your other comments. Thanks and God bless.
Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards No human is free of mistakes. We were created in God's image and likeness but we are not God and we are not perfect. For the RCC to claim perfection for a human is nothing but sheer arrogance. Scriptures clearly proclaim that "As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one." Rom. 3:10. So why does the RCC conitnue to ignore this and proclaim Mary as sinless?
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco Let me clarify a bit further....I meant 'it was not free of mistakes', meaning the comment that I deleted. HOpe that's clear now.
Clipwizards 1 month ago
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@mpenaco I still sustain that sin - such as sex abuse, promicuity, murder, etc- has nothing to do with the teachins of Jesus, and thus with the doctrines of Christianity. U seem to b trying to twist my words. Why do u want to condemn the Church for the sins of men? would u go as far as to say that marriage should be banned because of the sin of adultery? Or that ALL teachers are bad because some sexually abuse their students, so schools shoul be closed?
Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards So the RCC is the Church and the men who comprise it are not? Is that what you're saying? Does God deal with an organization or with individuals? The RCC calls itself the true Church of God but God looks at the individual persons regardless of religion. So when you say the RCC is the Church even though the priests are doing immoral acts on children, that kind of claim is meaningless to God.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco We are the body of Chirst... Men are individuals and their relationship with Jesus and God is personal, but the Church is the bride whom Jesus loves. In the Gospels we see how the 1st members of His body where imperfect sinners. One betrayed him, the other denied him 3 times...Does this make the mission of the Church less important or invalid? The Church will always be holy, inspite of the sins of her members, because the One who founded her IS holy!
Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards But the Church are the people who have a relationship with Jesus. You seem to have created two entities: the Church and the indvidual followers of Christ when in reality they are one and the same. The Church are the believers. It is not an establishment. It is the people who follow Christ. The religion created in Rome is not the Church. We are the Church, we who keep the commandments of God.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco Rome did not creat a Religion, my friend. It only perpetuated through its work and witness the faith founded on Jesus. Her mission is to spread the Gospel, teach and build up the body of Christ, which she represents. She is the visible church of the Invisible community - the body of Christ. U seem to have very strong pre-conceived ideas and maybe you ought to find out if ur views are correct, through honest and impartial research. have u ever read any serious books on early christianity
Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards Rome created the Catholic religion that's for sure. She also created doctrines and dogmas that are foreign to the Gospel of Jesus. Neither Jesus nor the apostles preached the Marian doctrines, papal infallibility and purgatory. These are RCC's own gospel, but not the Gospel of Jesus.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Satan, Which cult brainwashed you?
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@Clipwizards I'm saying that the true Church of God will bear the right fruits of the Kingdom - righteousness, peace and love. If the RCC is the true Church, we should see these fruits in your priests. But what we see is the opposite. And what's worse, the RCC is trying to hide pervert priests and move them to other parishes instead of punishing them according to what Scriptures say.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco If you knew a fraction of the history of the Church you wound't even post this comment. Have you ever heard of Jean Marie Vianney, John of the Cross, Augustine, Aquinas, John Bosco....to name just a few. All holy presbiters of the Mother Church. Their fruits: The conversion of countless sinners, charity and love of the poor and downtrodden...oh, I wish you would take the blindfold of....Ask God to give you the Grace to know the truth, and re-search with NO bias. I pray you will do it.
Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards My point is, God will deal with us individually, not based on our religion. I am fully aware that there are many in the history of the RCC who have kept God's commandments and by their fruits, we know that they belong to God's Kingdom. They, along with the rest who obeyed God's Word are part of God's Church. They are the true bride, not any religion.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco you talk as thouhg all priests were evil. do u know what percentage of priests have been accused of grave sins? and what percentage has actually been found guilty? is it right to condemn the entire school system because some teachers are peadophiles? In which case the view on the church should be no different. lastly, did u know that the church trial is on avarage quicker than the US courts regarding sexual offense? so why accuse the church investigation process?
Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards I blame the RCC for her evil priests because she failed to apply the sanctions provided for under God's Law which Paul confirmed in his letter to the Corinthian church concerning sexual immorality in the church. While God's Law and Paul prescribe excommunication, your church hides and recycles her evil priests. Instead of isolating the few bad tomatoes, your church simply moves them to another bunch of good tomatoes, causing more more contamination and decay.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco
Satan, which cult do you belong to? There are more than 30,000 protestant cults out there and you belong to one of these.
x3grenadier 1 month ago
@x3grenadier I belong to the God's true Church, embracing God's truth as revealed in Holy Scriptures. You on the other hand, embrace the RCC which teaches false dogmas and is a haven for child molesters.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco Has a 2-year-old child sinned? Has Jesus sinned? Obviously, there are exceptions to this statement. Read that verse in context. When Paul says “All have sinned,” he was trying to let them know that no one is exempt from the need of God’s mercy, not trying to teach Marian doctrine. If you were going to teach someone how to build a computer, would you start by naming all the exceptions, or just by laying down the basics?
100PercentCatholic 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic Has a 2-year-old child sinned? Of course according to Scripture (Rom. 3:23).
Was God unfair for hating Esau before he was born? The truth is, we are all guilty of the sin of Adam even before we were born therefore, God is just and fair. What is amazing is that he loved Jacob despite being a sinner.
mpenaco 7 months ago
@mpenaco Regarding Original Sin, it is my understanding that the Catholic Church teaches that we all suffer the consequences of the sin of Adam and Eve, but we are not guilty of the their sin. Psalm 51 says that 'Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
and in sin did my mother conceive me.' Pslam 55 says something similar too, cant remameber the verse.
Clipwizards 1 month ago
@Clipwizards You make God unjust by saying we suffer because of the sin of Adam and Eve although we are not guilty of that sin. So God punishes people for a sin they did not commit, is that what you're saying? But the Bible is :
"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." (1 Cor. 15:22)
We all suffer because we are all GUILTY!
mpenaco 1 month ago
@mpenaco Come on, You are trying to twist my words again! My statement does not make God unjust. Have you read the bible? What was the consequence of Adam & Eve sins to all humanity? Plz refer to the scriptures! I said we suffer the CONSEQUENCIES, that is, our sinfulness or inclination to sin is due to the sin of Adam & Eve, who were sinless when God created them, but became sinner by their own free will. To mention one consequence: labour pain for women!
Clipwizards 1 month ago
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@Clipwizards Go back and read your earlier post my friend. There you wrote this:
"the Catholic Church teaches that we all suffer the consequences of the sin of Adam and Eve, but we are not guilty of the their sin."
Your free will and mine has nothing to do with it. We are all sinners from the moment of our conception is what Scriptures say. We are all guilty of sin even before we were born.
mpenaco 1 month ago
@Clipwizards There is no such thing as original sin being inherited by others. No one is responsible for anyone else's sin, no matter who, or when.
JeffersonDinedAlone 1 month ago
@100PercentCatholic Has Jesus sinned? Let me answer that by quoting a prominent Catholic saint.
Augustine Bishop of Hippo: "He, Christ, alone being made a man but remaining God never had any sin nor did He take on flesh of sin, though He took flesh of the sin of His mother."
mpenaco 7 months ago
@100PercentCatholic There are no exceptions my friend. If there were, then Paul would have revealed it. David, the great king also testifies to our sinful condition when he said:
"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (Ps. 51:5)
mpenaco 7 months ago