Brilliant stuff guys,its good to end all the pro samurai sword BS.. simple fact - it would not stand up to armour invented almost 1000 years before the samurai sword was used.. plus the viking axe would cleave almost anythign - stats say 1 out of 10 men had swords amongs vikings but all had axes..
the problem with this is that in all the places you were pretending to hit eldgrimer, the samurai would be wearing armor. However people shouldn't underestimate the viking or overestimate the samurai
the thing is, i bet the guy on the right side doesn't know katori shinto ryu, which accounts a lot for the strength of a samurai warrior. It's not only strength of weapons, but handling them well...
@ThegnThrand wow really? Well i suggest you two do some actual fighting (maybe not with real swords^^). In the video you show how a viking can counter certain moves from a samurai. But it doesn't really take into account, that you can be more agily without carring a large shield, like this heavy viking shield.
Besides, have you ever testet what might happen if a samurai places a straight stroke on that shield? I know it's quite thick, but yet it's not made out of steel...
@SmokeyBud The Viking shield was made light it weighted about 9lbs and was linden wood 1/5th to a 1/4 inch think cover both sides in oxen raw hide. It was very much like wielding two hand held weapons not cumbersome at all.
@ThegnThrand PS dude, the kick was retarded, no one flairs it in a fight. If a person were to kick a shield (which I doubt would be tried) he would have kicked the other end...
Your comparison is weak for the armor cause most killing blows were not chops but stabs. You shield vs. sword comparison is weak because the samurai katana or bastard word versus shield has counter movement techniques you don't even bother to explore. You compare an unskilled person using a katana or bastard sword to someone with a shield. No one would attack an shield with the strikes and techniques you show. You guys are historically and technically inaccurate.
@redwormcharlie You fight with padded weapons from what I can see which is poor comparison to the SCA or steel fighting. Why don't you go check out our latest video " Deadliest Warrior : Thrand's Spartan Vs. Ninja / Samurai " here on youtube or the fighting video only " Deadliest Warrior : Thrand's Spartan Vs. Ninja / Samurai Combat Simulator " here are the links to add to youtube /watch?v=mNj5HiCPx1I and /watch?v=by6CI2SOp-Q from what I have seen from you you do not have real comparison.
Please note that the Samurai were very tactical. They often fought from horse back with bows and arrows at first, then they would finish off the enemy with their Katanas after the enemy was wounded. Shields would be useless in such a battle against mounted warriors.
@GJCaesarXIII yes we know this the art of the Samurai was the art of the Horse and Bow were are just comparing what Deadliest warrior compared and disputing what they said the results would be.I might ad as well the results they come up with are physically impossible and improbable in most cases.
@deadlyram2k6 This is untrue the Viking shield was extremely light and doubled as weapon as well as protection it was more like wielding two weapons than lets say the Spartan Aspis because the Aspis was too heavy to wield as a weapon effectively.
The Samurai way of fighting was very limited. It found many tactics that were highly effective and in regular use to the outside world to be dishonorable. An attitude like that poses a big problem when you face military forces from the outside world.
Again, biased. Get someone in there who respects the Samurai and furthermore knows their form! You cant just ask someone who has the same mindset as you do to act as the Samurai, it wont prove a thing.
Yeah I agree. I respect the video's data, but again the Samurai were extremely technical fighters on many levels, not just being swordsmen. They were chess masters or hand to hand combat and were known for being many many moves ahead of their opponents. This video never takes those variables into consideration.
i think these guys forgot that the samurai used armor and the samurai is more with his skill and speed but the samurai already won the episode anyway so i don't know why i still comment.
@brianthao102 The Samurai nor the Viking won on that episode they were both misrepresented. The program Deadliest Warrior is not really scientific nor a historical program. My next video is Ninja/Samurai Vs. Spartan coming out some time this week think you will like it I am member of the Bujinkan and been practicing Bujinkan budo Taijutsu for years 6 arts of samurai and 3 of the ninja. The Viking did have the advantage with weapons show cased for both warriors on that program from our testing.
Samurai were not nearly the warriors you think, you would know this if you had read the history of the so called "samurai code" they were more like mercenaries that would take credit for tons of kills that they were not even close to involved with. They would wait until after a massive battle and collect the heads of the fallen soldiers as "proof" of their accomplishments. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
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@Flipdarter well "Bushido" is the code of the samurai and its fight to the death with honor or commit Harakiri/Seppuku with dishonor and they would take the heads of victims to say this is the man who i killed for my leader and i am an honorable warrior till the day i die, so basically they would not take credit for their skill they know its the only honorable way to take a life or lose yours and dishonorable samurai take heads after battles but most samurai were honorable warriors. satisfied?
@brianthao102 you know that the bushido code was written a long time after the samurai were active warriors right? it was written by men who claimed to be samurai in a time when they were being phased out. The fictional samurai that everyone loves, and they are totally badass, are a lot like romantacised pirates or vampires. I just believe that the way we see samurai now is more fiction than fact. They were probably decent fighters, just not as invulnerable as people like to imagine.
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@Flipdarter dude i know bushido was made after Zen culture so what, its the warriors way to fight by the sword and die by it so i dont care what you think by if i was a samurai i'd take my life than to live with dishonor and i know you understand by the samurai won the fucking epiosode anyway so who cares about your opinion of bushido you NooB. XD :) lmao
@brianthao102: That's you, who were born in a totally different culture with different moral values and cosmovision tahn samurais, so you definitely cannot speak as one of them. THEN WHO CARES ABOUT OUR OPINION NOOB?
''the samurai won the fucking epiosode anyway so who cares about your opinion of bushido''
You and your fanboy pals were shown, with historical and accurate info, that DW is totally innacurate and cannot be taken as a real evidence, and that samurais weren't...(cont)...
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@MrAlepedroza lol if you cared dont waste your time by just replying back you historian its like saying a knight can lose to a rat and the samurai would win if they met in battle anyway so i dont give a shit what you ssay bad info or good no one likes history that much. P.S. if i was a samurai and you were a viking you would be dead :)
@brianthao102 It's people like you who make these debates so enervating. If you won't behave then you can't expect us to take you or your arguments seriously.
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@TheScandinavianOne well your the historian here, tell me everything i need to know about these warriors then name the greatest to the lowest pawn then go list
@alpha95X:First, the Japanese did use shields early on in their history. With the rise of the samurai, these were dropped in favor of equipment more suited to mounted archers. However, the second part of this is they DID use shields afterwards in the form of pavises and other sorts of things (not handheld). Third, during the Imjin War, they again encountered shields as used by the Koreans and the Chinese.. But they seem to have simply decided that shields weren't ...I'l continue on another...
@alpha95X : ....that shields weren't worth the protection they afforded, and tended to prefer long, two-handed spears. This isn't to say that no shields were used whatsoever, but if there were it was a rare occurrence. Samurai armor was designed specifically for the warrior to not need to carry a shield. Their armour was made of metal, leather and cloth. Bamboo is much too frail to reliantly take hits.Japanese armour was arguably of significantly less quality than European, but it wasn't useless
@MrAlepedroza The Samurai was mounted warrior for the most part but he footman he commanded were a phalanx of yari and pikes. The use of this many archers and pikeman 22' polearms in formation is devastating. They went for range over shields because you have more pikes that or two handed longer with more reach and power over shield man only able to use one handed weapons and shorter spears. The focused on improving armour but never quite made it too full plate as their European brothers.
Oh yeah, one more thing. I think DW did do the other tests that you wanted to see but simply didn't have enough time to put it. The show is 60min plus commercials but reenacted fight plus the introduction plus people talking.
You can sleep well now, Thor and Odin are watching over you.
@alpha95X You need to listen to Jay and Kirby's Deadliest Pod google it cast were they interview all the experts from the program and no they did not nor or any of the people on the Deadliest Warrior program real experts on the warrior they represent 90% of the episodes. They use substandard gear and tell they experts what they are allowed to do and how test must be done the list goes on go listen to the pod cast then we will talk :P
Why do you assume that people automatically haven't heard of stuff? Besides, nothing you said invalidates what he said. There ARE tests that are performed and are cut for time; such as the Wind and Fire Wheels on the Shaolin Episode. They performed tests, but cut the weapon from the loadout, so only aired small snippets of the tests during the episode.
They do testing over a period of three days, and have to condense it into 60 minutes (including commercials and the fight.)
There are samurai techniques to counter the shield, the basic foot soldiers used shields. IF the samurai could not get around a shield they'd be scrapped.
Anyways I would like to say I enjoyed your video. I still think the samurai would have won but you have educated me on the viking. Thank you for using facts and weapons tests, not like the other fans who just whine and thank you for not being like the people who just assume racism just because their favorite warrior lost (I HATE that.)
Oops I hate my iPod sometimes. anyway blocking was obvious but over all good and by the way we never saw proof the katana was sharp by the end and with what you Put it through it defiantly dulled from use
This is Eldgrimr. Thrand and I have acquired a new camera. New video series coming out soon. Thrand will be on the Deadliest Podcast with Jay and Kirby. Just google Deadliest Podcast and you'll find a link to jay and kirby productions. The message board has a thread titled Jay and Kirby are going to talk to Thrand.
@PaveLowPat01 I am coming out with a new Video called Ninja/ Samurai Vs. Spartan .I also practice Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. We feature the KusariGama and the Kamayari in this Video.I as far as I know I have been working on my Stance and sword techniques for years. Aikido is not an early Samurai art it is modern although I have trained in it before. This makes me question your technique hearing this :P
ill have to point something out, regarding the shield grab, the samurai, if this was a battlefield situation not a street duel, the guy would naturally be in, on the show the final duel shows 16-17th century armour style, which had maile covering the fingers and plats iver the back of the hand, not as good as a western knight but no unprotected
though if that show was accurate merging weapons with the armour period that suamurai would have a arquebus and a yari not yumi and naginata
@elgostine The Samurai was not wearing 17 th century armor of at least should not have been. Yes they did act as though by the quality of armor from how much credit they gave it. You get hit in the fingers through Japanese Kusari and see if you wanna fight with broken fingers :P
not only that unless i am mistaken but i think every source book and picture ive seen indicatres kusari wasnt riveted either,
but i must be ghastly mistaken regarding the armour, i mean to say it was NOT the OLDER inflexible and boxy Oyoroi of the early sengoku period, made more for wearing on horseback and to accomodate archery,
i mean that the armour in te final duel is clearly of the latter type, i.e fewer lacings bigger plates etc.
@elgostine I agree with totally and the weapons do not match the armor. Deadliest Warrior needs to pick a specific time period from which the warrior lived not just span over 300 to 800 years and use weapon combos that would never been used in a single life time. This would also give them more combos top make more episodes and make not as important who wins and they should also say the experts make a major difference in out come so they can have new experts and rematches.
@Proteus3000 This is untrue. First of all Samurai did not use Kanabo it is really an Oni weapon. If you search you will find no Historical reference of the Samurai having a Kanobojutsu nor the use of it in there Caste pre-19th century. Second of all it is just a two handed club or mace if that's all it took to defeat a 9th century Shield man they would have all be dead and only two hand club wielders left in history :P
I also extensively test this and it is untrue in my other videos.
@Proteus3000 The center boss shield was 3' in diameter held in the hand not strapped to the arm in the 9th century it was 1/4" linden wood to 1/5" covered in to layers of heavy oxen raw hide back and front. I test weaker reeacment shields in my videos and no damage to shield that would stop it use is evident and certainly nor broken arm. Links
Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's Aftermath Part 3 of 3
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Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's Fighting and Bonus Video
bernard cornwell in his uthred chronicle series which covers the career of alfred the great suggests that maybe danes and saxons alike actually had metal plates sewn into the boots so that the enemy would take a cut at your leg thinking it a soft target only for it to glance off leaving him open, hough this is a historical novel so he might just be speculating, he doesnt say where he got the idea though if you emailed him im sure hed oblige you.
i have to isagree with everything ive seen in this vid, you show a lot of counter atacks with your sword, and none of the samurais side, its the faster sword tecnique in the history, it is the best made sword in history, and also the samurais werent that clumsy jutst swinging at ya, please i have to ask you to make a vid again with an actual master in kendo or iado, or a specilist on japanese samurais martial arts..
@asstian The Katana is not that much faster than the longsword and paired with a shield the katana attacks is instantly countered with the longsword when blocked with the shield. The Katana is not the best made sword in History at all. I practice Bujinkan Budo Taijustsu 6 styles of Samurai and 3 on the Ninja and by the way I still would not take Katana in single combat against Sword and shield if I have a choice.
Hey every won who ever Doubted me or likes my videos googe the Deadliest Warrior pod cast and listen to the latest Casey Hendershot Pod Cast .That is the Deadliest Warrior Pod Cast google it :P
yes, leather decays but we have a whole lot of leather from romans (shoes, belts etc.) and later peoples. your arm armour is not historically correct, sorry.
@BuscoBeast You need to prove that I am incorrect. Seeing that the splinted armor was found from the 7th century up till the 9th century. Leather very rarely survives history unless in optimum conditions. We do not have whole lot of leather from the roman era we have buckles ,rivets ect that tell us what the leather was like in shoes in belts and art work as well as description. My armor for the arms is what what the Vikings had in there time. Splinted steel or hard leather bracers.
@BuscoBeast The unhistorical leg and arm armor as you call it was recovered namely in one place the Sutton Hoo ship burial and in the Swedish ship burial from Vendel from around the 6th to 7th century as well as among many viking warrior graves. Splints are found those are from the 9th century in the clip in my video. So what I would like to know why are you saying they did not have them. Hardened leather was very common as well the design I use that covers the elbow is a Bazuban.
Ever since knight vs pirate I have had complains with that show. They didn't even test the knights shield. And in vicing vs samurai they probably had a prejudice against European warriors as people often do.
@44SCB The viking shield test was not a historical replica and it was tested being held rigid on a metal arm brace not like it would have been used held by the center boss in the hand and most certainly not a rigid or held rigid object. The spartan strap on shield in which the had four yellow springs to absorb the kanabos force. The biased thing may be there but I believe they rig test to match the script to confirm what ever theory the script writer had thought was viable in his imagination.
@ThegnThrand thats odd, because a friend of mine watched the show and i asked him specificaslly aboult the shield and he suggests it was helt in a centregrip i.e hand behind the boss.
@elgostine The Shield and my Video is held by a center grip in the hand not strapped to the arm like the actual 9th century sword and shield style of the Viking. So I Guess what I am asking what do you mean this is confusing :P
@44SCB Really? The show's had Asians losing to Europeans every single time except this one and Rajput vs. Centurion, and you can even imply an anti-European bias? Go take a look at the D.W. Wiki's "Factions" page, then try again.
@APolaris Maby I'm wrong. It is comen 4 historians 2 have anti European bias mostly because of the bad things Eurapeans did and the courropt Medival Church but all races have done bad things at times. And maby I am wrong.
This doesn't describe anything, you guys just have these planned steps, might as well watch Zoro take on 20 guys at once that's way cooler than this slow motion fag fest. Cut your hair.
Planned steps, just like deadliest warrior. cept this show is not trying to say which historical figure/warrior is better The point of this is to show the various inaccuracies of that damned menace to knowledge, DW. They're trying to be a mythbusters show and yet they just plug in what they arbitrarily judge to be the better WEAPON. Notice they only judge weapon effectiveness, and not training styles, counters, range, or anything of any historical value. Thrands right, DW sucks balls.
@Trampden Well I hope the slow motion fag fest you are at is going well. The Video on the other had is addressing questions that arouse of my first video asking what would the Viking do if the Samurai did this questions. I like my hair so does mi Wife. Well have fun at the event you are attending.
Lots of great stuff about how the shield will stop attacks etc but simple question is: which moves faster, the shield, or the katana? - Katana of course. In these scenarios you demonstrate, the man is coming in slowly (and rather clumsily) with that sword, then waiting for you to make your counter in each instance. Never gonna happen!
Remember - the shield is a wall for BOTH warriors. You show loads of viking counters but not one samurai counter. There is no ballance in this argument you make.
@Mazthoril The shield has two major advantages over the sword. First, it covers a larger area, so moving an inch with the shield equals six for the sword. Secondly, the shield can be used to block and parry the sword. Using a katana to parry a shield, while possible, is very difficult. About the wall thing, one warrior actually controls the wall while the other does not. This means that the wall will be an obstacle more often to the Samurai than the Viking.
Hey Thrand, I don't know if this has been made clear to you, but the fight at the end of each episode is just a choreographed fight scene that is used to showcase the tested weapons in combat. The fight doesn't effectively reflect what actually happens during the 1000 simulated fights. I am all with your though. The viking should have won.
i hate it when people start making up reasons why the other warrior should have won, you can do this in all the match-ups: they should have used different weaponary, different tactics, they didnt hire the right people...i say STFU
its just a fucking show for entertainment and they only test thhe weapons, not the tactics or the indivudual skills of the warriors...in reality the fights can end up either way so keep in mind that this is only a show *takes deep breath*
@xXbananacrazyXx Samurai train their entire lives. How are they not as skilled as a viking? Samurai usuallly used their bows on horseback. The bow was the main weapon for the samurai in the 12th century.
Being someone whos trained in the martial art aikido (one of the martial arts traditionally practiced by the samurai) for years, its easy to see that your bias heavily out ways your experience.
Very good videos. The samurai only won because of things like anime and movies making the samurai seem better than he really is and makes the katana seem like a perfect sword when it really is far from it.
They actually showed how the Katana ISN'T the perfect sword with one test against chainmail. You want to know why the Samurai won? He had more weapons that could reliably get through Viking Armor than Vice Versa.
They had comparable skill, comparable equipment, comparable training, comparable physical ability, and comparable training. That's why the fight came down to less than a 5% difference in kills.
@KnightValhalla If The Data was redone with accurate shields and without the retarded double spear throw and was replaced with a regular fighting spear the Viking would have won and we all know it.
Probably not. You give a Viking a Bow, and suddenly the Samurai has an even larger edge over the Viking since one cannot use a bow and a shield at the same time, and the samurai has better armor against arrows than the viking, and better arrows against armor. If they replaced the Naginata with the Yari, and the Kanabo with the Nodachi, the disparity in the numbers would tip even more heavily in favor of the Samurai. Even if the Viking was given a "proper" shield and a bow.
The yari was essentially the Japanese version of a Halberd. It punctured armor like nobodies business. The Nodachi was also similar in comparison to a Greatsword, which could cause serious fractures and injury even through armor. ESPECIALLY through Mail armor, which does nothing to soften blunt force trauma.
Even using more historically accurate weapons, the Samurai wins.
@KnightValhalla A bow would be more reliable than throwing two spears at once. Besides the Nodachi is a formation weapon, its very long and cumbersome. I do not think honestly a Samurai would use this. And The Viking Spatha has proven time and again to be a great bone breaking weapon.
There Are Saga tales about Spear heads so sharp and thin they killed two men at once threw shields. Yari has an edge over what?
I believe those Saga tales about as much as I believe the stories of Katana so sharp they could cut through five men at once.
That means not at all.
No wait, I take that back. I believe the stories about the Katana more than the Spear, because we've SEEN Katana that can cut through multiple expies of human bodies at the same time. Show me a spear that can stab through a shield, a person, a second shield, and a second person, and we'll talk.
@KnightValhalla If your not taking credible evidence then nothing can be believed about the Katana either. Its more of a mythical weapon than a practical one. Also the blades they tested on Bodies had an extended handle and huge blade. It wasn't a Katana at all.
Dude? The Sagas are as much Myth as History. No spear could puncture through two shields and two bodies, even if the shields were made of WICKER. It's impossible. What isn't impossible is cutting through multiple bodies, as we've seen a weapon cut through two pigs, and pigs have the most comparable anatomy, physiology, and resistance to humans as you can get without using actual humans. So it's not unreasonable to think katana can cut through multiple (though 5 is a little ridiculous.)
@KnightValhalla No thrusting though two people and killing them is unlikely. But Myths about the Katana people believe no matter how far fetched. Also Look at the Blade he used to cut the pigs in half, A completely different sword than used in the simulator but took results from a much larger sword, look how long the handle is, then it gets shorter on the maille test.
@KnightValhalla The vikings have shields, they win. Samurai have no anti-shield weapons and they can't get around it. A man with a spear is absolutly fucked when faced a guy with a sword and shield. Once you get past the spear tip, the spearman is dead. Spears are only good as group weapons, 1v1 they are pointless. Any long polearm is worthless. A shorter poleaxe is good because it is short enough to be effective in 1v1 combat.
You've obviously spent far too much in the SCA if you believe that to be true. Maybe when play-sparring a spear is worthless, but many types of Yari have additional blades that protect the wielder, while having shorter hafts to reduce pullback time.
Also, early Japanese clans DID use shields in emulation of the continent, and because early samurai were mounted archers. They mostly abandoned them, but there is historical proof shields were used for a time.
@KnightValhalla Japanese Clans Ya, Samurai, No. The Yari was designed for formation fighting and a design from China. It was never intended to be a defense for shields and wasn't used as such.
@KnightValhalla Nodachi, a longer katana with the same problems as the regular one. The biggest problem with a samurai is his inablity to defeat shields. They never faced shields, so they have no knowledge on how to get around one. It si the same reason they won't beat a knight. They have nothing that can get through that strong of defense while the knights do. If it can go through euro plate, it can go through Jap lamellar.
@KnightValhalla Katana= worthless. Kanebo, too slow to be any good. Yari, worthelss against a shield user. Naginata, worthless against a shield user.
There is a reason thtey started using butted mail for all tests after the viking episode, so they could get the result they wanted easier.
Thrand's video shows even a 120 lb bow can't pierce riveted mail, a yari wouldn't either. If the vikings invaded Japan, they would own it in a matter of months.
The people here did a good job defending the viking, however, When the tested the katana on DW it went through two pigs completly. The samrurai also used mounted warfare, so they could use the yumi and naginata with range. During the sim, the katana's speed showed that the viking wouldn't have much time to react. The smurai trained their whole lives mastering these weapons, so they were better with the weapons then the guy in the demo.
@TheMasamune444 We do a good job defending the viking but good points are brought about te samurai as well. I am really surprised at how much the samurai and vikings had in common.
and they didn't use a katana to cut the pigs in two, it was a nodachi. Bigger and heavier sword. The katana is maybee fast but to block the strike theres is the vikings sword, shield and chainmail to block it. I think that if we also did a speed test with the viking sword, it would not be a huge difference.
@TheMasamune444 Vikings also had mounted warefare and polearms similiar to the naginata. Also viking warriors, trained their entire lives as well, especially those that were of an equal social status as the samurai.
One surprising thing is that vikings and germanic warriors even had knowledge about body energi or chi.
@Grottman96 The Show should have had Huscarl/Hersir or Jarl against the Samurai. The Viking warrior would have had to be too own the Mail sword and helmet and most likely would have had even more armor.Also not all Samurai were rich and would have had all the gear they show cased either.
Nice videos, although somewhat unprofessional, you guys had fun with it obviously lol. I think you guys should learn how to edit your videos, and leave the childish play for off the camera. Other than that, I really enjoyed them.
what would happen if you try to block a swing by a vikingsword with a katana?. figuring by the mass of the vikingsword you would have to block dead on the edge with the katana or it would bend/brake. is this a fair assesment or am i wrong. arguing with a friend of mine. well anyways great videos really enjoy them
@sofus330 I dont know whetever it would bend or break but if you block with the edge of the katana against the viking longsword, it wont take many blows untill the katana is useless.
European blades werent sharpened as much as the japanese since we had better armor. Think of a sharpened, high carbon edge as glass. Hard and can hold a good edge but shatters easily.
@feesww the viking wouldn't win just because he has a sheild.....in fact my museum teacher who is a weapon master of the S.E.A, told and SHOWED me that the samurai countered people with sheilds, oh and sometimes the ronin samurai used to use sheilds.
@feesww wait what???? just because the samurai didn't have good sheilds and vikings did? i don't think u understand, samurai countered sheilds, why else did the isolations stopped using them especially with the banboo slinglinger
@feesww yes but ur missing the pont, the katana is fast enough to disarm the sheild and so is the yari....except for the tanto which is a no brainer lol
@copypacercopypacer Katan is fast enough? gtfo your retarded.too much anime you've been watching....how would a katana disarm the shield?Thrand just showed you in the vid that's not possible....the yari is a spear,spears have blind spots you fail...
@feesww dude ur missing the point....the katana is fast enough ( yes so is the yari ) to counter the viking sheild and two handed axe.... just like how it countered the chinese imperial double pike u fool, wow from the looks of this, u don't know shit about past warefare do u
@copypacercopypacer More retarded samurai fanboys...Once the katana has struck the shield it's over.SHIELDS always win. Now gtfo and watch your anime..
katana is one of the least weighed two handed swords and know i don't think its the best or REALLY GOOD, what do u mean how would it disarm a sheild, easy, when the viking blocks the yari with sheild a samurai can easily pull out its katana and slide it uppercut, forcing or cutting the vkikings hand off and dropping the sheild, or just clash with it and lift upward the sheild, kicking him in the side shin or balls then bringing it down and cut his head off, oh btw goodbye ignorant fag
@copypacercopypacer HAHAH Katanas are gay and only good at cutting unarmored flesh....you cannot pull out a katan like in the movies im telling you you;re a gay little anime watching faggot.A viking doesn't have to counterstrike..he can just shove,push and smaka gay samurai with the shield how can you counter that huh? OWNED...A viking can;t have his hand cut off he has armor stupid shit i want to cleave you in half with a great axe...ignorant little faggot .
@feesww apparenlty u have know idea what i meant since ur to retarded to use ur fucking head, the samurai always countered ESPECIALLY when their opponet is using a sheild, why else wouldn't they use sheilds against eachother. u don't use facts u use made of shit that u don't even know how the viking nor the samurai of their use. end of story u unedeveloped monkey.
@copypacercopypacer piece of shit faggot.. i want to find you and vut your stupid head off with a viking sword...YOU CANT COUNTER A SHIELD!!! retarded monkey faggot!!By the time "you lift the shield" (more proof you watch anime)a sword has been thrusted into your face...besides a viking can counter as well...gtfo faggot anime piece of shit...
@feesww wow what a dumbass, proof that i watch anime???? is that the bbest insult u got? wow ur retarded and yes u can counter a sheild depending on how big it is, and apparently the viking sheild is the right size, oh and btw vikings like that were slow, intermediate samurai were faster than the beserkers. btw i don't even watch alot of anime plus the ones i watch, doesn't conatain shit about the samurai ^_^ what a fucking dumbas u turned out to be
@copypacercopypacer HAHAH! I enjoy pwning your arguments,you biased faggot samurai fanboy.YOU CAN'T COUNTER A SHIELD.Especially if its being shoved and thrusted in your face...more proof you take your logic from anime and dw...Vikings were not slow, they had their own martial arts...i'm done with you faggot.
@feesww wait...how r u pwning me with ur arguments???? when basicly i just explained how the samurai countered the viking sheild. apparenlty u just can't admit i beat u at ur own start. vikings were slow considering to the fact that their weapons weigh more than about 9. 1/5 mlbs. their own martial arts? k then, i'm not a samurai fanboy, i'm just clearly telling u facts that u refuse to consider by using ur head. oh well i guess thats stupidity for you. what a dumbass u turned out to be ^_^
@copypacercopypacer LOL,explain to me HOW a samurai would counter pls.Oh and remember that while he's "countering" the shield is being thrusted and smacked in his face.yes, martial arts mkay,called glom somthink and "stav".
dude when that happened he couln't however he the viking was defending then the samurai would have a chance.......wow do u believe this deadly warrior shit? some of it is accurate however the rest is not.
@copypacercopypacer You're so fucking stupid It's not even funny.What part of the shield as a defense and offense don't you understand?Counter haha blah blah The viking has a shield.In reality that's all a viking needs to defeat a samurai.Constant thrusting,shoving and smacking will eventually knock a samurai to the ground,where a sword thrust in the face will suffice to kill a samurai.
@feesww this is how a samurai would counter.....if the viking isn't geting a sheild and shoving it in his face and saying FUCK U QUAD, then the samurai would simpily charge with the yari and stick it into the bottom left side of the sheild and maneuver it so the vikikng can move to giving the samurai a chance to pull out a tanto and stab him
Brilliant stuff guys,its good to end all the pro samurai sword BS.. simple fact - it would not stand up to armour invented almost 1000 years before the samurai sword was used.. plus the viking axe would cleave almost anythign - stats say 1 out of 10 men had swords amongs vikings but all had axes..
AyurvedaIreland 2 months ago
the problem with this is that in all the places you were pretending to hit eldgrimer, the samurai would be wearing armor. However people shouldn't underestimate the viking or overestimate the samurai
Macgilvernock 3 months ago
horrible swing
robot6644 3 months ago
Finally someone who knows what there talking about, Thanks for the vids, there great!!
ajcvikingboy 4 months ago
lol goof balls this shit never gets old
crashdummy40 4 months ago
the thing is, i bet the guy on the right side doesn't know katori shinto ryu, which accounts a lot for the strength of a samurai warrior. It's not only strength of weapons, but handling them well...
SmokeyBud 6 months ago
@SmokeyBud I am a member of the Bujinkan and practice Toga Kure Ryu or Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu :P
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
@ThegnThrand wow really? Well i suggest you two do some actual fighting (maybe not with real swords^^). In the video you show how a viking can counter certain moves from a samurai. But it doesn't really take into account, that you can be more agily without carring a large shield, like this heavy viking shield.
Besides, have you ever testet what might happen if a samurai places a straight stroke on that shield? I know it's quite thick, but yet it's not made out of steel...
SmokeyBud 5 months ago
@SmokeyBud The Viking shield was made light it weighted about 9lbs and was linden wood 1/5th to a 1/4 inch think cover both sides in oxen raw hide. It was very much like wielding two hand held weapons not cumbersome at all.
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
@ThegnThrand PS dude, the kick was retarded, no one flairs it in a fight. If a person were to kick a shield (which I doubt would be tried) he would have kicked the other end...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@SmokeyBud Nothing bests proper sho ryu ken. Now shut up. : D
Shmupper 5 months ago
Europe,fk yeah!
unurautare2 6 months ago 3
VIKING POWER! D:<
ScandinavianEmokid 6 months ago
Your comparison is weak for the armor cause most killing blows were not chops but stabs. You shield vs. sword comparison is weak because the samurai katana or bastard word versus shield has counter movement techniques you don't even bother to explore. You compare an unskilled person using a katana or bastard sword to someone with a shield. No one would attack an shield with the strikes and techniques you show. You guys are historically and technically inaccurate.
redwormcharlie 8 months ago
@redwormcharlie You fight with padded weapons from what I can see which is poor comparison to the SCA or steel fighting. Why don't you go check out our latest video " Deadliest Warrior : Thrand's Spartan Vs. Ninja / Samurai " here on youtube or the fighting video only " Deadliest Warrior : Thrand's Spartan Vs. Ninja / Samurai Combat Simulator " here are the links to add to youtube /watch?v=mNj5HiCPx1I and /watch?v=by6CI2SOp-Q from what I have seen from you you do not have real comparison.
ThegnThrand 8 months ago
Please note that the Samurai were very tactical. They often fought from horse back with bows and arrows at first, then they would finish off the enemy with their Katanas after the enemy was wounded. Shields would be useless in such a battle against mounted warriors.
GJCaesarXIII 8 months ago
@GJCaesarXIII yes we know this the art of the Samurai was the art of the Horse and Bow were are just comparing what Deadliest warrior compared and disputing what they said the results would be.I might ad as well the results they come up with are physically impossible and improbable in most cases.
ThegnThrand 8 months ago
@GJCaesarXIII shields are never useless unless your armor has progressed to that level were you really do not need one :P
ThegnThrand 8 months ago
@ThegnThrand they are useless if you ride behind them. sheilds limit movement and agile.
deadlyram2k6 6 months ago
@deadlyram2k6 This is untrue the Viking shield was extremely light and doubled as weapon as well as protection it was more like wielding two weapons than lets say the Spartan Aspis because the Aspis was too heavy to wield as a weapon effectively.
ThegnThrand 5 months ago
The Samurai way of fighting was very limited. It found many tactics that were highly effective and in regular use to the outside world to be dishonorable. An attitude like that poses a big problem when you face military forces from the outside world.
Benjefwil 8 months ago
@Benjefwil very true!!! JA!!!
ThegnThrand 8 months ago
Again, biased. Get someone in there who respects the Samurai and furthermore knows their form! You cant just ask someone who has the same mindset as you do to act as the Samurai, it wont prove a thing.
GJCaesarXIII 9 months ago
@GJCaesarXIII
Yeah I agree. I respect the video's data, but again the Samurai were extremely technical fighters on many levels, not just being swordsmen. They were chess masters or hand to hand combat and were known for being many many moves ahead of their opponents. This video never takes those variables into consideration.
BigolePappy2 7 months ago
@BigolePappy2 Check out my latest video Deadliest Warrior : Thrand's Spartan Vs. Ninja / Samurai here on youtube.
ThegnThrand 7 months ago
You could kill someone!
tzint56 9 months ago
@brianthao102: the superhuman honorific warriors that media presents to everyone.
If you want to continue living with your fantasies, keep going, you'll only demonstrate us that we were right.
MrAlepedroza 9 months ago
i think these guys forgot that the samurai used armor and the samurai is more with his skill and speed but the samurai already won the episode anyway so i don't know why i still comment.
brianthao102 10 months ago
@brianthao102 The Samurai nor the Viking won on that episode they were both misrepresented. The program Deadliest Warrior is not really scientific nor a historical program. My next video is Ninja/Samurai Vs. Spartan coming out some time this week think you will like it I am member of the Bujinkan and been practicing Bujinkan budo Taijutsu for years 6 arts of samurai and 3 of the ninja. The Viking did have the advantage with weapons show cased for both warriors on that program from our testing.
ThegnThrand 10 months ago
@ThegnThrand the samurai used ranged weapons and began flee.what a coward! X)
LOL nice video or nice videos!!
raztin1 9 months ago
@brianthao102
Samurai were not nearly the warriors you think, you would know this if you had read the history of the so called "samurai code" they were more like mercenaries that would take credit for tons of kills that they were not even close to involved with. They would wait until after a massive battle and collect the heads of the fallen soldiers as "proof" of their accomplishments. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Flipdarter 9 months ago
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@Flipdarter well "Bushido" is the code of the samurai and its fight to the death with honor or commit Harakiri/Seppuku with dishonor and they would take the heads of victims to say this is the man who i killed for my leader and i am an honorable warrior till the day i die, so basically they would not take credit for their skill they know its the only honorable way to take a life or lose yours and dishonorable samurai take heads after battles but most samurai were honorable warriors. satisfied?
brianthao102 9 months ago
@brianthao102 you know that the bushido code was written a long time after the samurai were active warriors right? it was written by men who claimed to be samurai in a time when they were being phased out. The fictional samurai that everyone loves, and they are totally badass, are a lot like romantacised pirates or vampires. I just believe that the way we see samurai now is more fiction than fact. They were probably decent fighters, just not as invulnerable as people like to imagine.
Flipdarter 9 months ago
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@Flipdarter dude i know bushido was made after Zen culture so what, its the warriors way to fight by the sword and die by it so i dont care what you think by if i was a samurai i'd take my life than to live with dishonor and i know you understand by the samurai won the fucking epiosode anyway so who cares about your opinion of bushido you NooB. XD :) lmao
brianthao102 9 months ago
@brianthao102 Early Samurai pre 16th century really did not follow that code :P
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@brianthao102: That's you, who were born in a totally different culture with different moral values and cosmovision tahn samurais, so you definitely cannot speak as one of them. THEN WHO CARES ABOUT OUR OPINION NOOB?
''the samurai won the fucking epiosode anyway so who cares about your opinion of bushido''
You and your fanboy pals were shown, with historical and accurate info, that DW is totally innacurate and cannot be taken as a real evidence, and that samurais weren't...(cont)...
MrAlepedroza 9 months ago
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@MrAlepedroza lol if you cared dont waste your time by just replying back you historian its like saying a knight can lose to a rat and the samurai would win if they met in battle anyway so i dont give a shit what you ssay bad info or good no one likes history that much. P.S. if i was a samurai and you were a viking you would be dead :)
brianthao102 9 months ago
@brianthao102 It's people like you who make these debates so enervating. If you won't behave then you can't expect us to take you or your arguments seriously.
TheScandinavianOne 9 months ago
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@TheScandinavianOne wait what do you mean "us"?
brianthao102 9 months ago
@brianthao102 The people around here who aren't you.
TheScandinavianOne 9 months ago
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@TheScandinavianOne ......does that conclude your mom too? :)
brianthao102 9 months ago
@brianthao102 *SIGH*The word you're looking for is 'include'. You're not exactly helping your case here.
TheScandinavianOne 9 months ago
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@TheScandinavianOne well your the historian here, tell me everything i need to know about these warriors then name the greatest to the lowest pawn then go list
brianthao102 9 months ago
@brianthao102 "then go list..." What? I don't understand what you're trying to say.
TheScandinavianOne 9 months ago
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@TheScandinavianOne O.o are you trying to confuse me? not working
brianthao102 9 months ago
@brianthao102 I'm not trying that at all, but your writing is so sloppy that I can't make out what you're trying to say.
TheScandinavianOne 9 months ago
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@TheScandinavianOne its typing you idiot and how the hell can it be slop..........oh you motherfucker
brianthao102 9 months ago
@alpha95X:First, the Japanese did use shields early on in their history. With the rise of the samurai, these were dropped in favor of equipment more suited to mounted archers. However, the second part of this is they DID use shields afterwards in the form of pavises and other sorts of things (not handheld). Third, during the Imjin War, they again encountered shields as used by the Koreans and the Chinese.. But they seem to have simply decided that shields weren't ...I'l continue on another...
MrAlepedroza 10 months ago
@alpha95X : ....that shields weren't worth the protection they afforded, and tended to prefer long, two-handed spears. This isn't to say that no shields were used whatsoever, but if there were it was a rare occurrence. Samurai armor was designed specifically for the warrior to not need to carry a shield. Their armour was made of metal, leather and cloth. Bamboo is much too frail to reliantly take hits.Japanese armour was arguably of significantly less quality than European, but it wasn't useless
MrAlepedroza 10 months ago
@MrAlepedroza The Samurai was mounted warrior for the most part but he footman he commanded were a phalanx of yari and pikes. The use of this many archers and pikeman 22' polearms in formation is devastating. They went for range over shields because you have more pikes that or two handed longer with more reach and power over shield man only able to use one handed weapons and shorter spears. The focused on improving armour but never quite made it too full plate as their European brothers.
ThegnThrand 10 months ago
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MrAlepedroza 10 months ago
Oh yeah, one more thing. I think DW did do the other tests that you wanted to see but simply didn't have enough time to put it. The show is 60min plus commercials but reenacted fight plus the introduction plus people talking.
You can sleep well now, Thor and Odin are watching over you.
alpha95X 10 months ago
@alpha95X You need to listen to Jay and Kirby's Deadliest Pod google it cast were they interview all the experts from the program and no they did not nor or any of the people on the Deadliest Warrior program real experts on the warrior they represent 90% of the episodes. They use substandard gear and tell they experts what they are allowed to do and how test must be done the list goes on go listen to the pod cast then we will talk :P
ThegnThrand 10 months ago
@ThegnThrand
Why do you assume that people automatically haven't heard of stuff? Besides, nothing you said invalidates what he said. There ARE tests that are performed and are cut for time; such as the Wind and Fire Wheels on the Shaolin Episode. They performed tests, but cut the weapon from the loadout, so only aired small snippets of the tests during the episode.
They do testing over a period of three days, and have to condense it into 60 minutes (including commercials and the fight.)
TheManperson 10 months ago
There are samurai techniques to counter the shield, the basic foot soldiers used shields. IF the samurai could not get around a shield they'd be scrapped.
Anyways I would like to say I enjoyed your video. I still think the samurai would have won but you have educated me on the viking. Thank you for using facts and weapons tests, not like the other fans who just whine and thank you for not being like the people who just assume racism just because their favorite warrior lost (I HATE that.)
alpha95X 10 months ago
@alpha95X :interesting but you forgot that japanese shields were much smaller than viking ones
MrAlepedroza 10 months ago
@alpha95X :interesting but you forgot that japanese shields were much smaller than viking ones.
MrAlepedroza 10 months ago
A couple of things
I don't think you can judge whether a kanabo is useful or not since you don't know how to use one.
Your samurai armor is incorrectly made. It is not 1 layer but multiple layers woven so tightly it barely flexes (Yours flexed like cloth)
the katana was not made to pierce armor, it was actually used to quickly and accurately hit unarmored places
the yumi also targets unarmored places, so of course it wouldn't penetrate chainmail
naginata is not only stabbing, more slashing
alpha95X 10 months ago
@alpha95X: THE ARMOR HE FEATURED THERE WAS A VIKING ONE!!!
HERE HE FEATURES THE SAMURAI
user/ThegnThrand#p/u/16/Q74SOH9Bgp4
MrAlepedroza 10 months ago
i think you are wrong because you forgot to test the most powerful weapon which would not be the katana it would be the kanaboo which will bend metal
JayNawPho11 10 months ago
Oops I hate my iPod sometimes. anyway blocking was obvious but over all good and by the way we never saw proof the katana was sharp by the end and with what you Put it through it defiantly dulled from use
0Bonaparte 10 months ago
This is Thrand!!!!
The Pod Cast is out!!!!!!
Google Jay and kirby's Deadliest Pod Cast look for the Thrand final pod cast on top :P
ThegnThrand 11 months ago
you mentioned kicks well what about leg sweeps?
cuongnhu246 11 months ago
@cuongnhu246 In the right situation they could be used by either warrior or kicks to the knee and below would also be useful if done at right time.
ThegnThrand 11 months ago
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This is Eldgrimr. Thrand and I have acquired a new camera. New video series coming out soon. Thrand will be on the Deadliest Podcast with Jay and Kirby. Just google Deadliest Podcast and you'll find a link to jay and kirby productions. The message board has a thread titled Jay and Kirby are going to talk to Thrand.
LordEldgrimr 11 months ago
I am Japanese, I practice Iaido, Soujutsu, a little Aikido, I use the Kama and chain also, and I have to say this is very disapointing :(
And you need to work on your stance and technique with the sword ;)
PaveLowPat01 11 months ago
@PaveLowPat01 I am coming out with a new Video called Ninja/ Samurai Vs. Spartan .I also practice Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. We feature the KusariGama and the Kamayari in this Video.I as far as I know I have been working on my Stance and sword techniques for years. Aikido is not an early Samurai art it is modern although I have trained in it before. This makes me question your technique hearing this :P
ThegnThrand 11 months ago
@ThegnThrand
Firstly: Looking forward to it :)
Secondly: lol \(>u<)/
PaveLowPat01 11 months ago
ill have to point something out, regarding the shield grab, the samurai, if this was a battlefield situation not a street duel, the guy would naturally be in, on the show the final duel shows 16-17th century armour style, which had maile covering the fingers and plats iver the back of the hand, not as good as a western knight but no unprotected
though if that show was accurate merging weapons with the armour period that suamurai would have a arquebus and a yari not yumi and naginata
elgostine 1 year ago
@elgostine The Samurai was not wearing 17 th century armor of at least should not have been. Yes they did act as though by the quality of armor from how much credit they gave it. You get hit in the fingers through Japanese Kusari and see if you wanna fight with broken fingers :P
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand yes yes i realised my mistake
not only that unless i am mistaken but i think every source book and picture ive seen indicatres kusari wasnt riveted either,
but i must be ghastly mistaken regarding the armour, i mean to say it was NOT the OLDER inflexible and boxy Oyoroi of the early sengoku period, made more for wearing on horseback and to accomodate archery,
i mean that the armour in te final duel is clearly of the latter type, i.e fewer lacings bigger plates etc.
elgostine 11 months ago
@elgostine I agree with totally and the weapons do not match the armor. Deadliest Warrior needs to pick a specific time period from which the warrior lived not just span over 300 to 800 years and use weapon combos that would never been used in a single life time. This would also give them more combos top make more episodes and make not as important who wins and they should also say the experts make a major difference in out come so they can have new experts and rematches.
ThegnThrand 11 months ago
@ThegnThrand
the only weapon that would give the viking a run for his money is the Tetsubo. it would break his shield arm.
Proteus3000 11 months ago
@Proteus3000 This is untrue. First of all Samurai did not use Kanabo it is really an Oni weapon. If you search you will find no Historical reference of the Samurai having a Kanobojutsu nor the use of it in there Caste pre-19th century. Second of all it is just a two handed club or mace if that's all it took to defeat a 9th century Shield man they would have all be dead and only two hand club wielders left in history :P
I also extensively test this and it is untrue in my other videos.
ThegnThrand 11 months ago
@Proteus3000 The center boss shield was 3' in diameter held in the hand not strapped to the arm in the 9th century it was 1/4" linden wood to 1/5" covered in to layers of heavy oxen raw hide back and front. I test weaker reeacment shields in my videos and no damage to shield that would stop it use is evident and certainly nor broken arm. Links
Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's Aftermath Part 3 of 3
/watch?v=Q74SOH9Bgp4
Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's Fighting and Bonus Video
/watch?v=fEEuxzfEmX8
ThegnThrand 11 months ago
bernard cornwell in his uthred chronicle series which covers the career of alfred the great suggests that maybe danes and saxons alike actually had metal plates sewn into the boots so that the enemy would take a cut at your leg thinking it a soft target only for it to glance off leaving him open, hough this is a historical novel so he might just be speculating, he doesnt say where he got the idea though if you emailed him im sure hed oblige you.
elgostine 1 year ago
i have to isagree with everything ive seen in this vid, you show a lot of counter atacks with your sword, and none of the samurais side, its the faster sword tecnique in the history, it is the best made sword in history, and also the samurais werent that clumsy jutst swinging at ya, please i have to ask you to make a vid again with an actual master in kendo or iado, or a specilist on japanese samurais martial arts..
asstian 1 year ago
@asstian The Katana is not that much faster than the longsword and paired with a shield the katana attacks is instantly countered with the longsword when blocked with the shield. The Katana is not the best made sword in History at all. I practice Bujinkan Budo Taijustsu 6 styles of Samurai and 3 on the Ninja and by the way I still would not take Katana in single combat against Sword and shield if I have a choice.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
This is Thrand!!!!
Hey every won who ever Doubted me or likes my videos googe the Deadliest Warrior pod cast and listen to the latest Casey Hendershot Pod Cast .That is the Deadliest Warrior Pod Cast google it :P
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
1:17 what if he missed =o
puffmasta3000 1 year ago
yes, leather decays but we have a whole lot of leather from romans (shoes, belts etc.) and later peoples. your arm armour is not historically correct, sorry.
BuscoBeast 1 year ago
@BuscoBeast You need to prove that I am incorrect. Seeing that the splinted armor was found from the 7th century up till the 9th century. Leather very rarely survives history unless in optimum conditions. We do not have whole lot of leather from the roman era we have buckles ,rivets ect that tell us what the leather was like in shoes in belts and art work as well as description. My armor for the arms is what what the Vikings had in there time. Splinted steel or hard leather bracers.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@BuscoBeast The unhistorical leg and arm armor as you call it was recovered namely in one place the Sutton Hoo ship burial and in the Swedish ship burial from Vendel from around the 6th to 7th century as well as among many viking warrior graves. Splints are found those are from the 9th century in the clip in my video. So what I would like to know why are you saying they did not have them. Hardened leather was very common as well the design I use that covers the elbow is a Bazuban.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
Kind of funny watching these guys fighting as if they knew what they're doing! :) not bad though
AnimeKingBankai 1 year ago
@AnimeKingBankai I do Know what I am doing, do you LMFAO ?
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
as a member of the Deadliest Warrior Crew. Thanks for watching the show! love the comments. Watch Season 3....... Oh, awesome final battle guys!
sleazyc6666 1 year ago 26
@sleazyc6666 Thank you for your comments. I will be watching Season 3 thanks for the invite to do so. Hope you have the best season yet.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
Ever since knight vs pirate I have had complains with that show. They didn't even test the knights shield. And in vicing vs samurai they probably had a prejudice against European warriors as people often do.
44SCB 1 year ago 15
@44SCB The viking shield test was not a historical replica and it was tested being held rigid on a metal arm brace not like it would have been used held by the center boss in the hand and most certainly not a rigid or held rigid object. The spartan strap on shield in which the had four yellow springs to absorb the kanabos force. The biased thing may be there but I believe they rig test to match the script to confirm what ever theory the script writer had thought was viable in his imagination.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand thats odd, because a friend of mine watched the show and i asked him specificaslly aboult the shield and he suggests it was helt in a centregrip i.e hand behind the boss.
elgostine 1 year ago
@elgostine The Shield and my Video is held by a center grip in the hand not strapped to the arm like the actual 9th century sword and shield style of the Viking. So I Guess what I am asking what do you mean this is confusing :P
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@44SCB Really? The show's had Asians losing to Europeans every single time except this one and Rajput vs. Centurion, and you can even imply an anti-European bias? Go take a look at the D.W. Wiki's "Factions" page, then try again.
APolaris 6 months ago
@APolaris Maby I'm wrong. It is comen 4 historians 2 have anti European bias mostly because of the bad things Eurapeans did and the courropt Medival Church but all races have done bad things at times. And maby I am wrong.
44SCB 6 months ago
If there was more documentation of Vikings kicking than Samurai, makes me wonder if Vikings did have their own martial art.
EhSteve8690 1 year ago 2
This doesn't describe anything, you guys just have these planned steps, might as well watch Zoro take on 20 guys at once that's way cooler than this slow motion fag fest. Cut your hair.
Trampden 1 year ago
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37jsully 1 year ago
Planned steps, just like deadliest warrior. cept this show is not trying to say which historical figure/warrior is better The point of this is to show the various inaccuracies of that damned menace to knowledge, DW. They're trying to be a mythbusters show and yet they just plug in what they arbitrarily judge to be the better WEAPON. Notice they only judge weapon effectiveness, and not training styles, counters, range, or anything of any historical value. Thrands right, DW sucks balls.
37jsully 1 year ago 3
@Trampden Well I hope the slow motion fag fest you are at is going well. The Video on the other had is addressing questions that arouse of my first video asking what would the Viking do if the Samurai did this questions. I like my hair so does mi Wife. Well have fun at the event you are attending.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
Lots of great stuff about how the shield will stop attacks etc but simple question is: which moves faster, the shield, or the katana? - Katana of course. In these scenarios you demonstrate, the man is coming in slowly (and rather clumsily) with that sword, then waiting for you to make your counter in each instance. Never gonna happen!
Remember - the shield is a wall for BOTH warriors. You show loads of viking counters but not one samurai counter. There is no ballance in this argument you make.
Mazthoril 1 year ago
@Mazthoril The shield has two major advantages over the sword. First, it covers a larger area, so moving an inch with the shield equals six for the sword. Secondly, the shield can be used to block and parry the sword. Using a katana to parry a shield, while possible, is very difficult. About the wall thing, one warrior actually controls the wall while the other does not. This means that the wall will be an obstacle more often to the Samurai than the Viking.
JHanson712 1 year ago
You guys are immense! Subscribed.
666satanification666 1 year ago
I like your video. You are rigth about this..I say before 800/1600... LOL I OVE THE FINAL!!...XD.
BerserkJheova 1 year ago
Out of all swords I like scimitars best
Pakistan899 1 year ago
you guys suck dick.
2072gizmo 1 year ago
Hey Thrand, I don't know if this has been made clear to you, but the fight at the end of each episode is just a choreographed fight scene that is used to showcase the tested weapons in combat. The fight doesn't effectively reflect what actually happens during the 1000 simulated fights. I am all with your though. The viking should have won.
zdkezios 1 year ago
i hate it when people start making up reasons why the other warrior should have won, you can do this in all the match-ups: they should have used different weaponary, different tactics, they didnt hire the right people...i say STFU
its just a fucking show for entertainment and they only test thhe weapons, not the tactics or the indivudual skills of the warriors...in reality the fights can end up either way so keep in mind that this is only a show *takes deep breath*
MikaelDryden 1 year ago
@MikaelDryden Well It's FUN :)!!!
Grottman96 1 year ago
@Grottman96 True that
MikaelDryden 1 year ago
also vikings had bows and axes and were extremly skilled sure samurai's are skilled but not as much
xXbananacrazyXx 1 year ago
@xXbananacrazyXx Samurai train their entire lives. How are they not as skilled as a viking? Samurai usuallly used their bows on horseback. The bow was the main weapon for the samurai in the 12th century.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
Being someone whos trained in the martial art aikido (one of the martial arts traditionally practiced by the samurai) for years, its easy to see that your bias heavily out ways your experience.
PcSki4Life 1 year ago
I laughed at the Hollywood styleend-fight.
Very good videos. The samurai only won because of things like anime and movies making the samurai seem better than he really is and makes the katana seem like a perfect sword when it really is far from it.
demomanchaos 1 year ago
They actually showed how the Katana ISN'T the perfect sword with one test against chainmail. You want to know why the Samurai won? He had more weapons that could reliably get through Viking Armor than Vice Versa.
They had comparable skill, comparable equipment, comparable training, comparable physical ability, and comparable training. That's why the fight came down to less than a 5% difference in kills.
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla If The Data was redone with accurate shields and without the retarded double spear throw and was replaced with a regular fighting spear the Viking would have won and we all know it.
Gratch2222 1 year ago
Probably not. You give a Viking a Bow, and suddenly the Samurai has an even larger edge over the Viking since one cannot use a bow and a shield at the same time, and the samurai has better armor against arrows than the viking, and better arrows against armor. If they replaced the Naginata with the Yari, and the Kanabo with the Nodachi, the disparity in the numbers would tip even more heavily in favor of the Samurai. Even if the Viking was given a "proper" shield and a bow.
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
The yari was essentially the Japanese version of a Halberd. It punctured armor like nobodies business. The Nodachi was also similar in comparison to a Greatsword, which could cause serious fractures and injury even through armor. ESPECIALLY through Mail armor, which does nothing to soften blunt force trauma.
Even using more historically accurate weapons, the Samurai wins.
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla A bow would be more reliable than throwing two spears at once. Besides the Nodachi is a formation weapon, its very long and cumbersome. I do not think honestly a Samurai would use this. And The Viking Spatha has proven time and again to be a great bone breaking weapon.
There Are Saga tales about Spear heads so sharp and thin they killed two men at once threw shields. Yari has an edge over what?
Gratch2222 1 year ago
I believe those Saga tales about as much as I believe the stories of Katana so sharp they could cut through five men at once.
That means not at all.
No wait, I take that back. I believe the stories about the Katana more than the Spear, because we've SEEN Katana that can cut through multiple expies of human bodies at the same time. Show me a spear that can stab through a shield, a person, a second shield, and a second person, and we'll talk.
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla If your not taking credible evidence then nothing can be believed about the Katana either. Its more of a mythical weapon than a practical one. Also the blades they tested on Bodies had an extended handle and huge blade. It wasn't a Katana at all.
Gratch2222 1 year ago
Dude? The Sagas are as much Myth as History. No spear could puncture through two shields and two bodies, even if the shields were made of WICKER. It's impossible. What isn't impossible is cutting through multiple bodies, as we've seen a weapon cut through two pigs, and pigs have the most comparable anatomy, physiology, and resistance to humans as you can get without using actual humans. So it's not unreasonable to think katana can cut through multiple (though 5 is a little ridiculous.)
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla No thrusting though two people and killing them is unlikely. But Myths about the Katana people believe no matter how far fetched. Also Look at the Blade he used to cut the pigs in half, A completely different sword than used in the simulator but took results from a much larger sword, look how long the handle is, then it gets shorter on the maille test.
Gratch2222 1 year ago
@Gratch2222 They used a nodachi (great sword) on the pig test. It was probably the Japanese equivalent to the Claymore.
EhSteve8690 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla The vikings have shields, they win. Samurai have no anti-shield weapons and they can't get around it. A man with a spear is absolutly fucked when faced a guy with a sword and shield. Once you get past the spear tip, the spearman is dead. Spears are only good as group weapons, 1v1 they are pointless. Any long polearm is worthless. A shorter poleaxe is good because it is short enough to be effective in 1v1 combat.
demomanchaos 1 year ago
"The vikings have shields, they win"
You've obviously spent far too much in the SCA if you believe that to be true. Maybe when play-sparring a spear is worthless, but many types of Yari have additional blades that protect the wielder, while having shorter hafts to reduce pullback time.
Also, early Japanese clans DID use shields in emulation of the continent, and because early samurai were mounted archers. They mostly abandoned them, but there is historical proof shields were used for a time.
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla Japanese Clans Ya, Samurai, No. The Yari was designed for formation fighting and a design from China. It was never intended to be a defense for shields and wasn't used as such.
Gratch2222 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla Nodachi, a longer katana with the same problems as the regular one. The biggest problem with a samurai is his inablity to defeat shields. They never faced shields, so they have no knowledge on how to get around one. It si the same reason they won't beat a knight. They have nothing that can get through that strong of defense while the knights do. If it can go through euro plate, it can go through Jap lamellar.
demomanchaos 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla Katana= worthless. Kanebo, too slow to be any good. Yari, worthelss against a shield user. Naginata, worthless against a shield user.
There is a reason thtey started using butted mail for all tests after the viking episode, so they could get the result they wanted easier.
Thrand's video shows even a 120 lb bow can't pierce riveted mail, a yari wouldn't either. If the vikings invaded Japan, they would own it in a matter of months.
demomanchaos 1 year ago
The people here did a good job defending the viking, however, When the tested the katana on DW it went through two pigs completly. The samrurai also used mounted warfare, so they could use the yumi and naginata with range. During the sim, the katana's speed showed that the viking wouldn't have much time to react. The smurai trained their whole lives mastering these weapons, so they were better with the weapons then the guy in the demo.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 We do a good job defending the viking but good points are brought about te samurai as well. I am really surprised at how much the samurai and vikings had in common.
and they didn't use a katana to cut the pigs in two, it was a nodachi. Bigger and heavier sword. The katana is maybee fast but to block the strike theres is the vikings sword, shield and chainmail to block it. I think that if we also did a speed test with the viking sword, it would not be a huge difference.
Grottman96 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 Vikings also had mounted warefare and polearms similiar to the naginata. Also viking warriors, trained their entire lives as well, especially those that were of an equal social status as the samurai.
One surprising thing is that vikings and germanic warriors even had knowledge about body energi or chi.
Grottman96 1 year ago
@Grottman96 The Show should have had Huscarl/Hersir or Jarl against the Samurai. The Viking warrior would have had to be too own the Mail sword and helmet and most likely would have had even more armor.Also not all Samurai were rich and would have had all the gear they show cased either.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand I agree. Samurai was the social elite of japan and they matched him against an middle class viking.
Recently I've begun to wonder...how was the samurai armor constructed exactly? It's the biggest question raised in my mind recently.
Grottman96 1 year ago
Nice videos, although somewhat unprofessional, you guys had fun with it obviously lol. I think you guys should learn how to edit your videos, and leave the childish play for off the camera. Other than that, I really enjoyed them.
D347HM0G 1 year ago
what would happen if you try to block a swing by a vikingsword with a katana?. figuring by the mass of the vikingsword you would have to block dead on the edge with the katana or it would bend/brake. is this a fair assesment or am i wrong. arguing with a friend of mine. well anyways great videos really enjoy them
sofus330 1 year ago
@sofus330 I dont know whetever it would bend or break but if you block with the edge of the katana against the viking longsword, it wont take many blows untill the katana is useless.
European blades werent sharpened as much as the japanese since we had better armor. Think of a sharpened, high carbon edge as glass. Hard and can hold a good edge but shatters easily.
Grottman96 1 year ago
plain and simple (the spartans vikings romansand knights proved this) the man with out the sheild is usualy a dead man
tomgibson605 1 year ago
@EyesExplode The viking would win,y? he HAS A SHIELD!
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww the viking wouldn't win just because he has a sheild.....in fact my museum teacher who is a weapon master of the S.E.A, told and SHOWED me that the samurai countered people with sheilds, oh and sometimes the ronin samurai used to use sheilds.
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer HAHAHA!!
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww wtf? did chuck norris tickle u or something
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
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@copypacercopypacer plain and simple (the spartans vikings romansand knights proved this) the man with out the sheild is usualy a dead man
feesww 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer give me a link to some examples of samurai shields...excactly stfu
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww wtf.....sure i can try but i don't think i can find any good sheilds considering to the fact that on the isolations used them........O_O
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer excactly ..... viking wins now stfu...
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww wait what???? just because the samurai didn't have good sheilds and vikings did? i don't think u understand, samurai countered sheilds, why else did the isolations stopped using them especially with the banboo slinglinger
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer YES...The viking's strong shield would STOP ALL WEAPONS in the samurai arsenal....
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww yes but ur missing the pont, the katana is fast enough to disarm the sheild and so is the yari....except for the tanto which is a no brainer lol
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer Katan is fast enough? gtfo your retarded.too much anime you've been watching....how would a katana disarm the shield?Thrand just showed you in the vid that's not possible....the yari is a spear,spears have blind spots you fail...
feesww 1 year ago
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copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer I really want to cleave your face in half with a smallaxe.
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww dude ur missing the point....the katana is fast enough ( yes so is the yari ) to counter the viking sheild and two handed axe.... just like how it countered the chinese imperial double pike u fool, wow from the looks of this, u don't know shit about past warefare do u
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer More retarded samurai fanboys...Once the katana has struck the shield it's over.SHIELDS always win. Now gtfo and watch your anime..
feesww 1 year ago
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katana is one of the least weighed two handed swords and know i don't think its the best or REALLY GOOD, what do u mean how would it disarm a sheild, easy, when the viking blocks the yari with sheild a samurai can easily pull out its katana and slide it uppercut, forcing or cutting the vkikings hand off and dropping the sheild, or just clash with it and lift upward the sheild, kicking him in the side shin or balls then bringing it down and cut his head off, oh btw goodbye ignorant fag
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer HAHAH Katanas are gay and only good at cutting unarmored flesh....you cannot pull out a katan like in the movies im telling you you;re a gay little anime watching faggot.A viking doesn't have to counterstrike..he can just shove,push and smaka gay samurai with the shield how can you counter that huh? OWNED...A viking can;t have his hand cut off he has armor stupid shit i want to cleave you in half with a great axe...ignorant little faggot .
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww apparenlty u have know idea what i meant since ur to retarded to use ur fucking head, the samurai always countered ESPECIALLY when their opponet is using a sheild, why else wouldn't they use sheilds against eachother. u don't use facts u use made of shit that u don't even know how the viking nor the samurai of their use. end of story u unedeveloped monkey.
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer piece of shit faggot.. i want to find you and vut your stupid head off with a viking sword...YOU CANT COUNTER A SHIELD!!! retarded monkey faggot!!By the time "you lift the shield" (more proof you watch anime)a sword has been thrusted into your face...besides a viking can counter as well...gtfo faggot anime piece of shit...
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww wow what a dumbass, proof that i watch anime???? is that the bbest insult u got? wow ur retarded and yes u can counter a sheild depending on how big it is, and apparently the viking sheild is the right size, oh and btw vikings like that were slow, intermediate samurai were faster than the beserkers. btw i don't even watch alot of anime plus the ones i watch, doesn't conatain shit about the samurai ^_^ what a fucking dumbas u turned out to be
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer HAHAH! I enjoy pwning your arguments,you biased faggot samurai fanboy.YOU CAN'T COUNTER A SHIELD.Especially if its being shoved and thrusted in your face...more proof you take your logic from anime and dw...Vikings were not slow, they had their own martial arts...i'm done with you faggot.
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww wait...how r u pwning me with ur arguments???? when basicly i just explained how the samurai countered the viking sheild. apparenlty u just can't admit i beat u at ur own start. vikings were slow considering to the fact that their weapons weigh more than about 9. 1/5 mlbs. their own martial arts? k then, i'm not a samurai fanboy, i'm just clearly telling u facts that u refuse to consider by using ur head. oh well i guess thats stupidity for you. what a dumbass u turned out to be ^_^
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer LOL,explain to me HOW a samurai would counter pls.Oh and remember that while he's "countering" the shield is being thrusted and smacked in his face.yes, martial arts mkay,called glom somthink and "stav".
feesww 1 year ago
dude when that happened he couln't however he the viking was defending then the samurai would have a chance.......wow do u believe this deadly warrior shit? some of it is accurate however the rest is not.
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer You're so fucking stupid It's not even funny.What part of the shield as a defense and offense don't you understand?Counter haha blah blah The viking has a shield.In reality that's all a viking needs to defeat a samurai.Constant thrusting,shoving and smacking will eventually knock a samurai to the ground,where a sword thrust in the face will suffice to kill a samurai.
feesww 1 year ago
@feesww this is how a samurai would counter.....if the viking isn't geting a sheild and shoving it in his face and saying FUCK U QUAD, then the samurai would simpily charge with the yari and stick it into the bottom left side of the sheild and maneuver it so the vikikng can move to giving the samurai a chance to pull out a tanto and stab him
copypacercopypacer 1 year ago
@copypacercopypacer HAHAHA YOU ARE RETARDED.Spears are useless.They have MASSI