If OUR representatives aren't accountable for their actions, then we're all doomed; because if corrupt and criminal representatives know they won't be held accountable by the citizens of the US. They won't stop. To their way of thinking, why should they? It is up to "We, the people" to stop them. There's no one else.
dont these people have anything better to do? i dont agree with torture either but im not going to side with freakin terrorists. Isnt there more important things to protest about, idk maybe the economy, health care, or marijuana decriminalization?
Pfft, c'mon guys, like voting even matters. The electoral college can vote any way it wants to.
For this country to be fixed the constitution would need to be changed, not happening anytime soon. And as far as I know, Ron Paul was going to "restore" not "change" it.
That being said, I am extremely disappointed in Obama, but I didn't expect anything great from him anyway.
he says torture is illegal under "our law and international law"... people forget that when we sign international treaties, they become our law. So international laws to which we have agreed by a process including negotiation by the president and approval by Congress, that is the law in the U.S. And we break these laws all the time as if they didn't exist and do not prosecute anyone, because government officials can't be prosecuted save for Iran-style "morality policing" issues like intern BJs
Its disgusting what has happened over the past 10 years! Over a million civilians murdered & all based on LIES!!
The moral backbone has been ripped out of America by these neo-con globalist fascists.
The same techniques used by the Nazis have been used again on the whole world! False flag ops to 'justify' everything from ILLEGAL pre-emptive wars to torture!
I'll say it again.. Its disgusting!
International Law is very clear about torture & those in power knew perfectly well that it was illegal!
I agree with stanjz, Obama has a a shitload of problems to deal with after Bush's disastrous stolen presidency and he has to prioritize. It's been, what, 5 months? He's not a dictator, things take time.
No, he's not a dictator (not officially yet, anyway) but he isn't delivering or even saying the things he said before he got into office. Is he? Domestic spying pgm - continuing. GitMo prisoners - a new little thing he dreamt up called "Preventative Detention" (worse than what even Bush came up with!). This is so against the law of habeas corpus i.e. even the king can't keep you jailed indefinitely at his pleasure. Bailouts to Wall St - continuing. Universal healthcare - off table.
I agree that Preventive Detention is just something unbelievable. That sounds like minority Report :(
I also agree with you that you guys should vote for some other guy than Democrats & Republicans which are essentially just two business parties with different stances on social issues. Too bad it seems like the majority of voters esseantially just vote for the guy with the biggest advertising budget.
"I agree that Preventive Detention is just something unbelievable. That sounds like minority Report :( "
Yes, I too heard this being compared to that, that the U.S. is now imprisoning people for thought crimes, i.e. crimes that they MIGHT do in the future. Unfuckingbelievable!
"I also agree with you that you guys should vote for some other guy than Democrats & Republicans which are essentially just two business parties with different stances on social issues."
Bill Maher recently talked about the two parties. He said before we get a 3rd party, we should get a 1st party. The Dems are a center-right party and the Reps are a crazy party.
What a lying piece of shit that said all that he said pre-election, just to GET elected! What a snake! I wish we had Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader in there now. Either of them as president would have yielded a true change in the status quo. Pity.
I do. I always vote for Ralph Nader when he runs. He says what I believe in and speaks of social justice.
The thing is that, I seriously doubt that the system is playing fair and actually tallies the true votes that are cast by "the people". It could all be an elaborate charade put on by the power elite, the men behind the curtain, the puppetmasters that pull the strings, to lull the sheeple into a state of calmness so that they're easier to control.
So President Obama doesn't torture, which is the main thing, but he and Bush are the same because he can't prosecute him yet?
Maybe he is waiting for more members of the Supreme Court to retire? It's two thirds conservative now. How does this not end up in the Supreme Court and how does Bush not get away with it? The American people are in desperate need of jobs, health care and education. That's his first priority.
Every country in the world who has had even one of their citizens tortured by the Bush administration should initiate a trial indicting Bush, et al for crimes against humanity. If they choose not to show up to their trials and plead not guily then the trials should nevertheless proceed as if they had pled not guilty with the prosecution presenting their case, allowing a defense to be presented and then a verdict. If the verdict is Guilty then they should be arrested if they enter those countries
It took years for the Nazis to get rounded up. People wont forget. They are just attempting to delaying the enviable. People will only stand for so much and the line for torture was drawn a long time ago. Its not even up for debate in a civilized society. They are just trying to buy time. Something like the rules don't apply if your a policy maker of the Federal Reserve or descendant of one of its original share holders.
what a jack ass the point is that america does not torture and never has, well I am wrong on that did you ever deal with the IRS thats real TORTURE I would love to be water boarded is i didn't have to deal with the IRS speak out about that you revolting peace of shit
ok Iran is TORTURING and Murdering their people on a wide scale, were are all the rally were is the guy in the orange shirt now were are the people speaking out about that, their not because their really full of shit like you Hendo1974
ok Iran is TORTURING and Murdering their people on a wide scale, were are all the rally were is the guy in the orange shirt now were are the people speaking out about that, their not because their
Talk about a ''hope ...in hell'' ...eh? Literally; now we need to see the ''change - yes we can'' with 'we' being 'the people' in mind, not the fascist elite's ongoing 'business as usual,'' the corporate gestapo within the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned 'we the people' in his final address to the nation before leaving office. And George Orwell and.... you know, the beat ...ings go on....
If OUR representatives aren't accountable for their actions, then we're all doomed; because if corrupt and criminal representatives know they won't be held accountable by the citizens of the US. They won't stop. To their way of thinking, why should they? It is up to "We, the people" to stop them. There's no one else.
im4wur 2 years ago 3
TORTURE WAS; IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A WAR-CRIME!!! Obama should just get out of the way! No one is above the Law!! Prosecute all war-criminals...
log140 2 years ago 3
dont these people have anything better to do? i dont agree with torture either but im not going to side with freakin terrorists. Isnt there more important things to protest about, idk maybe the economy, health care, or marijuana decriminalization?
charbroiledmonk1033 2 years ago
Pfft, c'mon guys, like voting even matters. The electoral college can vote any way it wants to.
For this country to be fixed the constitution would need to be changed, not happening anytime soon. And as far as I know, Ron Paul was going to "restore" not "change" it.
That being said, I am extremely disappointed in Obama, but I didn't expect anything great from him anyway.
PhoenixIgnisSecond 2 years ago
Good points. Thanks.
jayraskin 2 years ago
Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul
midwestcharm 2 years ago 5
you voted for ron paul but the electronic voting process switch ur vote for obama lol
jaba987 2 years ago
he says torture is illegal under "our law and international law"... people forget that when we sign international treaties, they become our law. So international laws to which we have agreed by a process including negotiation by the president and approval by Congress, that is the law in the U.S. And we break these laws all the time as if they didn't exist and do not prosecute anyone, because government officials can't be prosecuted save for Iran-style "morality policing" issues like intern BJs
Capitalocracy 2 years ago 4
The guy at the end made really strong arguments. Funny how this got ZERO coverage in the MSM, unlike the loopy tea bag protests.
GrownupPhan 2 years ago 6
The world is doomed.
SubmarinerAndroid 2 years ago 2
How screwed up is America when critizing the government can land you in jail, but those who Torture face no penelty.
unameitltd 2 years ago 7
Bush and Cheney's war crimes are now Obama's. We need to prosecute torture now!
ArcticSlicer 2 years ago 9
the ruling class have been doing this for at least the last 50 yrs ! 40,000 people kidnapped tortured and murdered in Vietnam alone .
oliversinhell 2 years ago
Its disgusting what has happened over the past 10 years! Over a million civilians murdered & all based on LIES!!
The moral backbone has been ripped out of America by these neo-con globalist fascists.
The same techniques used by the Nazis have been used again on the whole world! False flag ops to 'justify' everything from ILLEGAL pre-emptive wars to torture!
I'll say it again.. Its disgusting!
International Law is very clear about torture & those in power knew perfectly well that it was illegal!
ejbh3160 2 years ago 2
I agree with stanjz, Obama has a a shitload of problems to deal with after Bush's disastrous stolen presidency and he has to prioritize. It's been, what, 5 months? He's not a dictator, things take time.
lornloxor 2 years ago
@lornloxor
No, he's not a dictator (not officially yet, anyway) but he isn't delivering or even saying the things he said before he got into office. Is he? Domestic spying pgm - continuing. GitMo prisoners - a new little thing he dreamt up called "Preventative Detention" (worse than what even Bush came up with!). This is so against the law of habeas corpus i.e. even the king can't keep you jailed indefinitely at his pleasure. Bailouts to Wall St - continuing. Universal healthcare - off table.
JixMa 2 years ago 2
I agree that Preventive Detention is just something unbelievable. That sounds like minority Report :(
I also agree with you that you guys should vote for some other guy than Democrats & Republicans which are essentially just two business parties with different stances on social issues. Too bad it seems like the majority of voters esseantially just vote for the guy with the biggest advertising budget.
lornloxor 2 years ago 8
@lornloxor
"I agree that Preventive Detention is just something unbelievable. That sounds like minority Report :( "
Yes, I too heard this being compared to that, that the U.S. is now imprisoning people for thought crimes, i.e. crimes that they MIGHT do in the future. Unfuckingbelievable!
JixMa 2 years ago
"I also agree with you that you guys should vote for some other guy than Democrats & Republicans which are essentially just two business parties with different stances on social issues."
Bill Maher recently talked about the two parties. He said before we get a 3rd party, we should get a 1st party. The Dems are a center-right party and the Reps are a crazy party.
See the whole essay from RealTime:
"Democrats Are The New Republicans!"
w w w(.)youtube(.)com /watch?v=80o8VaaZ0oI
JixMa 2 years ago 4
Obama. Change you CAN'T believe in.
What a lying piece of shit that said all that he said pre-election, just to GET elected! What a snake! I wish we had Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader in there now. Either of them as president would have yielded a true change in the status quo. Pity.
JixMa 2 years ago 4
Its what has been going on in politics since god knows when.. they always make promises on lies on promises on lies.. to get elected.
And then they serve their real masters once in office... i.e. the corporations & lobbyists that pay the most MONEY into their campaigns!!
The corporate lobby system should be banned as pure corruption.
Election 'promises' should be enforceable (by 'the people' somehow) or lead to impeachment if renegued on.
Vote 3rd party next time.. But start campaigning NOW!!
ejbh3160 2 years ago
@ejbh3160 "Vote 3rd party next time."
I do. I always vote for Ralph Nader when he runs. He says what I believe in and speaks of social justice.
The thing is that, I seriously doubt that the system is playing fair and actually tallies the true votes that are cast by "the people". It could all be an elaborate charade put on by the power elite, the men behind the curtain, the puppetmasters that pull the strings, to lull the sheeple into a state of calmness so that they're easier to control.
JixMa 2 years ago 2
or,,, GO RON PAUL , PEATER SHIFF , ADAM KOKESH , RAND PAUL , the republican party is coing to vomit out the rino's and change completely
wcarlpdrysdale 2 years ago 4
STATISM IS DEAD.
PsyogiBottoms 2 years ago
So President Obama doesn't torture, which is the main thing, but he and Bush are the same because he can't prosecute him yet?
Maybe he is waiting for more members of the Supreme Court to retire? It's two thirds conservative now. How does this not end up in the Supreme Court and how does Bush not get away with it? The American people are in desperate need of jobs, health care and education. That's his first priority.
stanjz 2 years ago
all fine and sooo emphatic, but can some realnews deliver the actual suckerpunch to those who actually are the other 70-80% of folks who made 911?
any
any idea about the origami dollars`n stuff anything?
`cause else europe just has to repeat this torture issue, while....,....... you know what i mean, time is ticking.....kroll?????
Realizalize 2 years ago
And everyone thought obama was a good guy!!! lol!
h95718 2 years ago
no change, people are so stupid and they still think tahat color matters
webmacho 2 years ago
5/5 nuff' said
kjpdqpb 2 years ago
Every country in the world who has had even one of their citizens tortured by the Bush administration should initiate a trial indicting Bush, et al for crimes against humanity. If they choose not to show up to their trials and plead not guily then the trials should nevertheless proceed as if they had pled not guilty with the prosecution presenting their case, allowing a defense to be presented and then a verdict. If the verdict is Guilty then they should be arrested if they enter those countries
1140Cecile 2 years ago 2
It took years for the Nazis to get rounded up. People wont forget. They are just attempting to delaying the enviable. People will only stand for so much and the line for torture was drawn a long time ago. Its not even up for debate in a civilized society. They are just trying to buy time. Something like the rules don't apply if your a policy maker of the Federal Reserve or descendant of one of its original share holders.
BOBSMOKETV 2 years ago 3
Torture in Iran, Torture In American even in transit countries is TORTURE PERIOD! Both EVIL!
Hendo1974 2 years ago 2
what a jack ass the point is that america does not torture and never has, well I am wrong on that did you ever deal with the IRS thats real TORTURE I would love to be water boarded is i didn't have to deal with the IRS speak out about that you revolting peace of shit
recordonline 2 years ago
ok Iran is TORTURING and Murdering their people on a wide scale, were are all the rally were is the guy in the orange shirt now were are the people speaking out about that, their not because their really full of shit like you Hendo1974
GoogleGas 2 years ago
ok Iran is TORTURING and Murdering their people on a wide scale, were are all the rally were is the guy in the orange shirt now were are the people speaking out about that, their not because their
GoogleGas 2 years ago
take a look at indymedia if u need to know where and when....
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GoogleGas 2 years ago
would you like to know what real torture is lets look at Iran you bunch of ass holes, speak up about that and take the dicks out of your faces
NiteAngel 2 years ago
Talk about a ''hope ...in hell'' ...eh? Literally; now we need to see the ''change - yes we can'' with 'we' being 'the people' in mind, not the fascist elite's ongoing 'business as usual,'' the corporate gestapo within the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned 'we the people' in his final address to the nation before leaving office. And George Orwell and.... you know, the beat ...ings go on....
neilemac 2 years ago 2