Dear Pianopera....revised version re pedalling!(ignore my first comment.)
pedal down right through G minor upward runs...pedal up immediately after releasing top note of run... silent bottom G and pedal simultaneously immediately depressed and held until dotted crotchet G minor chord...then syncopated pedal with this chord!!!.....
@flugelmaniac Yes, he wants to create a continuous mysterious bass sound by this effect. But I think the sudden silence between the furious g minor unisono scales and the soft g minor chords is important too, because it gives an important dramatic effect... which is missing completely here.
Dear Pianopera,.....regards this pedal effect at the end.......I think he used
sycopated pedal with the top note of the two upward G minor runs ,then next immediately silently depressed the bottom G without releasing the pedal again until another sycopated pedal after the first G minor chord......
A very unusual effect for this piece.....but quite Lisztian...which of course fits with our Mr K.entner..Kentner was also a great authority on pedalling technique,so that fits too,hey?
One of the greatest Liszt-interpreters, but also very convincing in Chopin!
Interesting pedal-effect at 8:24, he is holding the bass notes with sostenuto (middle) pedal. Of course that pedal wasn't invented yet in Chopin's time.
@gullivior Thanks! Now that I listen carefully again, I don't think he was using middle pedal... he was pressing down the keys silently (at the g minor chords), changing right pedal immediately after it for a special effect. Schumann had a similar effect in mind at the end of "Paganini" (Carnaval)...
Dear Pianopera....revised version re pedalling!(ignore my first comment.)
pedal down right through G minor upward runs...pedal up immediately after releasing top note of run... silent bottom G and pedal simultaneously immediately depressed and held until dotted crotchet G minor chord...then syncopated pedal with this chord!!!.....
flugelmaniac 1 year ago
@flugelmaniac Yes, he wants to create a continuous mysterious bass sound by this effect. But I think the sudden silence between the furious g minor unisono scales and the soft g minor chords is important too, because it gives an important dramatic effect... which is missing completely here.
pianopera 1 year ago
@pianopera ....totally agree
flugelmaniac 1 year ago
Dear Pianopera,.....regards this pedal effect at the end.......I think he used
sycopated pedal with the top note of the two upward G minor runs ,then next immediately silently depressed the bottom G without releasing the pedal again until another sycopated pedal after the first G minor chord......
A very unusual effect for this piece.....but quite Lisztian...which of course fits with our Mr K.entner..Kentner was also a great authority on pedalling technique,so that fits too,hey?
flugelmaniac 1 year ago
One of the greatest Liszt-interpreters, but also very convincing in Chopin!
Interesting pedal-effect at 8:24, he is holding the bass notes with sostenuto (middle) pedal. Of course that pedal wasn't invented yet in Chopin's time.
Btw, from what year is this recording?
pianopera 1 year ago
@pianopera the LP is from 1964 (recording date is not specified, however I think early '60s)..
gullivior 1 year ago
@gullivior Thanks! Now that I listen carefully again, I don't think he was using middle pedal... he was pressing down the keys silently (at the g minor chords), changing right pedal immediately after it for a special effect. Schumann had a similar effect in mind at the end of "Paganini" (Carnaval)...
pianopera 1 year ago
@pianopera I think he obtain this effect by pressing immediately the bass notes without sound, without the sostenuto pedal
gullivior 1 year ago
@pianopera ops! ! I crossed your comment..
gullivior 1 year ago
@gullivior Great minds think (or listen) alike! ;-)
pianopera 1 year ago
simply great !!!!! Thanks,thanks, thanks
tuisunn 1 year ago