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  • Great video, good luck with everything soldier

  • @aabv63 They did not sign up for this, they were lied to in the first place.

  • @Butchurus While military enlistment may be different than what people anticipate when enlisting. They are told what to expect. And they are enlisting to become soldiers which means possibly going to war. While many signed up for free school ect. No one said your not a soldier never expect to go to war, they said you are now a soldier if america goes to war you will be there on the front lines. P.S it is against regs to represent opinion in uniform as it may be interpreted as official opinion

  • @Butchurus While military enlistment may be different than what people anticipate when enlisting. They are told what to expect. And they are enlisting to become soldiers which means possibly going to war. While many signed up for free school ect. No one said your not a soldier never expect to go to war, they said you are now a soldier if america goes to war you will be there on the front lines. P.S it is against regs to represent opinion in uniform as it may be interpreted as official opinion

  • i commend you sir. im glad you see the world from different perspectives.

  • A real soldier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­

  • George W. Bush-scetchy military background....John McCain-scetchy military background...both Republicans...Hmmm???... And about the contractors, I work for a contractor here in the States, training military men and women for WAR, one of the top training facilities (if not the top) and I get crap pay. While KBR employees make 3x what I do for cooking/serving food???Doesnt make alot of sense......Soldiers: Come home with your LIFE, you'll be HONORED for your fight there reguardless...

  • im now only realizing that mccain wouldve been a better choice

  • Truly a good amount of people dont know the news, and they only pay attention to there groups of friends and there ego. WERE ALL JUST AS SPECIAL, Knowones more special than you.

  • could not have said it better. polititions play the patriot card way to much,and they use the word terroist to much . what do ya'll think england called the people who dumped tea in boston harbor? anytime some one speaks against the goverment their labeled unpatriotic, bullshit. i love our military, the best in the world. but i hate hate the government . when people finally wake up it will be to late.sleep well sheep baaa baaa baaa

  • Yes it's an honor to have the freedom of speech that your expressing which grants opinions of choice and thats what america stands by.

  • Thank you for posting something that matters.

  • The Bush family is hooked into every one of those war-profiteering companies. Those fuckers are over there riding around in Cadillac Escalades on the tax-payers dime. You can see a whole row of them lined up right here on You Tube. Look up (Bush Family War Profiteers) on Google. There's one article that goes over every company that they're hooked into - all the contracts, and how much they were for.

  • All war is for profit and designed not to win, but rather, to sustain profit margins. Love your courage my brother! . . . To those who have become the Oathkeepers - the keepers of the gate. This vid is in the top ten of all time! Welcome to the new spiritual realm!

  • nice video, this guy is a real amirican god bless you and keep fighting for your rights ,don't give up !!!

  • "KBR gets paid too much. Ron Paul gave a lot of money so he is cool" What about McCain as a POW? Starving Sudanese never attacked my country.

    Here is a soldier speaking openly; I don't care about the worlds problems unless they affect the U.S. It is too gray for me to want to get involved. Attack the U.S. and it is black and white.

    You don't have a voice because you don't need one. You swore to put feet on a rifle, nothing more. You are fallen, Soldier.

  • Fuck you asshole!

  • Yeah, I am such an asshole; I joined the Army to kill foreigners that are against the US. A concept Bush invented, or something. Why can't the world be covered in flowers?

    Eat shit.

  • I'm not even going to waste my time w/a brainless piece of scum like you. Be all you can be, join stay in the ARMY, lol! It is obvious the ARMY is all you can aspire bcs you cant do anything better. Go home and fuck your mother.

  • Wait hold on... I'm barely smart enough for the Army... So stay in or go home and fuck my mother? Army has not taught me how to multitask yet. How about I intend to do it and get awarded the peace prize?

    Is this a stupidity insult coming from the "Fuck you asshole" comment guy?

    You should not waste your time on me; I don't agree with you. Non-confrontation at all costs is your bread and butter. It is obvious, by the way, even though I don't even know you.

  • If your going to accuse me of ignorance please spell correctly while doing it. You also have incorrectly assumed I have not been to college. I am also only six years younger than you, pops. I am convinced your are a stupid person, showing me your initial "Fuck you asshole" comment is more moronic than it seems at face value. If you have a reply don't comment on my profile.

  • Again, the ARMY needs brainless puppets like you and wanna be heroes. Say what you want homy, my opinion is my opinion and we are entitled to one. Remember, do what your boss says, your CoC, President Obama.

  • "We're fighting in Iraq for honor? What happened to fighting for freedom and democracy?"

    QFT

  • We dont fight for Democracy; freedom, yes...Democracy...no.

  • They oftentimes go hand in hand. E.g. when we were trying to secure fair elections in Iraq

  • Democracy is not a fair system...never has been, never will be. It does not allow for the protection of an individuals Rights.

    Founding Fathers despised Democracy, they wrote that Congress has the sole power of declaration of War...under the pre-tense that they, the founding fathers, devised this role for Congress...one can assume that since they, the founding fathers, hated Democracy that this Country would not fight for Democracy at home or abroad; for friend or for foe.

  • I suppose if you want to get particular (and because you're so erroneously describing history to make some argument), they believed the ideal form of government was a democratic republic. Yes, it was only the founding fathers who chose what went in the Constitution, but the founding fathers VOTED to put stuff in the constitution. They didn't "despise" democracy (though they were very wary of tyranny of the majority), that's ridiculously wrong.

  • Jefferson: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

    Franklin: Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

    Hamilton: We are a Republican Government, Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy...

    Adams: Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

  • Madison: Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property.

    Adams: The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.

    John Marshall: Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.

    ...I'd say they despised Democracy wouldn't you?

  • Its fucking saddening to hear infantile crowds like that cheering at que-card words like "patrioitism" and "Honour"

    Thank you and Ron Paul for giving and honest perspective and thinking clearly.

    Dont let neo-cons and and "patriots" stamp on your thinking.

    Keep talking!

  • 31 AUG 2011

  • I honestly think your on the right path my friend. If only more peolple woke up like you maybe this world would be a much much better place. But don't worry so much the earth is coming to the end of a cycle take a look at the mian calendar and you'll realize that people are gonna wake up to the CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS. Where everyone lives in harmony.

  • What an orwellian crowd 2.33

  • You Sir, are correct...

    Keep speaking truth!

  • This is a great video.

    Mike Huckabee is an ass, John McCain is a disgrace.

    Ron Paul is the only honest political voice out there.

  • looks like youv been fucked in the ass

  • A very moving video. My better half is in Iraq right now. Even he knows he's there so others can profit.

    American businesses are blooming over there. Soldiers dieing so multi-millionaires can make a buck.

    It's wrong and this war needs to end.

    My love to all the troops-Come home safe and come home soon.

  • ron paul owned that guy :P

  • Your logic and compassion unto itself is the most commendable. Thank you!

  • rdrice1119, ur such a retard

    nerim, thanks for this inspiring vid, nice to see someone is thinking about the causes of this war

  • y didnt we learn from vietnam? now look economy is bad china is moving at a fast pace to be number one and were bogged down in the middle east where they have been at it for thousands of years wtf now afghanistan ramp up? our pride is our down fall

  • like u said.. if someone come and attack your country u fight back .. they are called soldier not terrorist..

  • dude keep speaking your mind i respect you for surving the country and speaking up

  • Thank you for telling the truth, terrorism is like racism. It can't be won on a battlefield, only in the minds of our enemies. Look at the history of this country. In 2008 we still have racist in high public office and its excepted. The GOP does not mind sending our youth to fight their wars. They should send their own kids to die for democracy. On the battlefield, democracy wont keep you alive. Let the people of Iraq fight for their own democracy and stop trying to shove it down their throats .

  • @acarver763

    Terrorism have a few root causes:

    Poverrty

    Ignorance

    Suppression

    Intolerance

    And then we have all the war profiteers and philosophical peabrains whom gulps down the talking points of the Corporate GOP freaks...

  • no one likes obama YAY!

  • u r so fos, talk to a real soldier

  • like me? we dont want warm, we dont exactly want to die you know

  • do i smell a chicken hawk calling this guy a bad soldier? yeah your a chicken hawk

  • THank you im glad another soldier has come to realize what the fuck is really going on. I served also but once i saw what was going on i got the fuck out.

  • dumb fox watchers!

    Paul and Kucinich are the best!!

    Do your research!

  • Thank you for your service. I think Saddam was a tyrant that eventually needed to be taken out. However, we should've gone in with more troops and a bigger international coalition. We weren't ready, and we are paying the price. Plus, the Bush administration deceived us with lies about Al Queda and WMDs. I love our country. I would gladly fight for it. But I would only fight for it for the right reasons. If our country was under threat (it was not being threatened by Iraq) I would gladly sign up.

  • My son is one of those soldiers who did 2 stints in Iraq. He is a staunch supporter of BARACK OBAMA!

  • "One Nation under god

    if we make a mistake we make it as a whole nation."

    NO. DO NOT BUY THIS!

    The regular American is NOT accountable for the horrifying events that have gone on by the bush admin and their economically interested cohorts.

  • I am proud of our soldiers the one the committed their lives to protecting our freedom. I hope that all of them come home safe when the time is right for them to leave, even the ones that choose to join the military and are now unhappy with their situation and are whining.

  • Thats why i dont trust these conservative monkeys hiding behind christianity. they re all phonies from top to bottom. And they re going to crash and burn come november.

  • Great video, hopefully it will help save the brave men and women trapped in a war that should have ended long ago.

  • You need to shut up and listen to the soldier. McCain got tortured and he gave out American secrets. Here you are knocking on the way the soldiers speak because we had bombs go off near our fucking heads.

    He speaks the truth; Ron Paul more than any other Republican has given to the soldier.

    Fact remains the soldier has more balls than you for joining and serving. The war economy is not our economy. I know which leaders hold shares in the war economy; I hate these people. Speak the truth.

  • McCain gave out no secrets. He has reported that he did talk to his captors after being repeatedly tortured.

    Can you swear you could do any better?

    As for comments about McCain saying we should stay in Iraq for 100 years. The way this country is going down the sewer there will be no one to be sent.

  • You do not know your *** from a hole in the ground. As for this dumb soldier??? He should be found and disciplined.

  • How dumb would you sound after having bombs go off near your head? We're out here on a mother fucking grind; yes that makes us dumb. It also makes us pissed off.

    Say it to my face and I will rip your throat off and shit down your neck.

  • This is almost funny. I still have no proof the person in the video is a combat soldier. He should think about a video like his that gives a platform for real idiots to post really dumb comments.

    There were a few like this when I served.. a very few.

  • a very few that can murge out of all the ones that have been brainwashed into thinking that what their fighting for is freedom, even if the man is not a soldier, he still is carrying the message of truth.

  • hey old man, there's no proof u were a soldier neither and if u were a veteran u r prolly alive cuz u ran like a chicken shit when u were supposed to fuckin' die for ur nation. Whatever conflict u served on, u have been just used as a tool to occupy some other nation not to defend urs asshole. U were a terrorist!

  • You are only right about one thing. I was not a soldier, but a Marine! As for the rest of your garbage I am not going to get down in the sewer with you. Just believe that when I was your age and you said your filth to me I would have changed your mind for you with extreme prejudice.

    Some many fools posting to this video we know there is an "enemy within."

  • hey old man there's a difference between serving your country and attacking another country on behalf of "freedom" that is bullshit of course when the only purpose for occupation is to steal some other nation natural resources. So i feel sorry for those soldiers that got fooled with the ideology of "serving their country" and died for it while psychos like you keep on sending 'em to a pointless war.

  • After clicking on your username and seeing the page that came up.. You Communist birdbrain just climb in to your filthy hole and Go TO Hell Don't pass GO.. just go straight there.. and do not post a reply because I am not wasting my time with you anymore.. and that goes for the rest of you idiots who post favorable comments on the video. Sheesh....

  • What a sorry ass bastard you must be that has actually to profile me because of my channel. Why don't you go and fuck yourself with ur profiteer war and leave good people like this man alone that everything he does is to tell the truth.

  • PS, Nerim, you are one of my heros. I hope you go far, and if you ever visit France, there's a bottle of champaign waiting.

  • FINALLY... OOH RAHH to you brother, finally some one who was on the front lines understand that they are using HONOR as a ploy and PATRIOTISM as a ploy. People need to wake up to that, its one big PR campaign and our country does not WAKE UP. They made the bad decision, THEY ARE THE ONES that need to make it right. They are willing to sacrifice our brothers and sisters to move THEIR agenda FOWARD! AWESOME VIDEO MAN 50 Stars to you!!!

  • Do you really think Obama has a secret blueprint in his pocket? Bastard should turn loose!, or file the patent - He's un-American to withhold such valued technology!

  • Is that the socialized medicine Obama want the government to control so as to create a paper laden Bureaucracy out of it Creating even MORE hardship on the system? Want to save ther planet? Get the hell out of the way and let the Energy companies and EVERYONE Else fight over the PATENTS for clean renewables! Don't de-incentivize the process by taxing the research money (ie. "breaks")!.

  • I am not in the way, I like the idea of tax free research money, great. I do think Obama will make the blueprint with input from plenty of talented people. I am also very inspired by Ron Paul and wish he would be made secretary of the treasury.

  • LOOK at 7:18 good job.

  • Thank you Nerim! I've been an army wife for thirteen years and missed three years with my husband over these deployments. This war is wasteful! I wish more and more soldiers stood up like you just did!

    Let's end this war and bring our troops home!!!

  • Very good words of truth! God bless you soldier! Spread the truth brothers and sisters!

  • People don't know what patriotism means. They don't understand that you can love your country and hate the fucking hell out of the people running it. These false flag fuckers are destroying the country. They've burnt so much money that their looking to do away with Social Security. If McCain gets elected and privatizes Social Security, the corrupt fuckers in the stock market will rob every dime. I've paid into SS for 30 years and their gonna fuck me out of my money.

  • Hemi~

    I JUST LOVE IT when someone says it's about oil and they themselves could not live a day without it! How indoctrinated must one be to stagger so blindly through life? YOU MY FRIEND are sucking up the oil as we speak. YOU are the Problem! I hope you wake up enough to figure out that without the OIL there is NO FOOD (no farms- no tractors) NO Job (AND no way to get there if you did -- NO CAR) No Refrigerator even if you could get food! No lights, NO heat/ac and oh!, NO PC NO INTERNET!

  • Your not to friggin bright. If it wasn't for the oil companies keeping us in the stone age for the last 40 years we wouldn't need oil. Since your on You Tube, why don't you type in "Algae Fuels" in the search box at the top of the page. Watch the 10th one down, The Holy grail of bio-fuel. This stuff puts out 100 times more fuel than corn, sugar, palm any of them. And it can be used to grow food without the need for pesticides. It can also be used as feed for cattle and other animals.

  • One can use the tools at hand to make better tools in the future, there is nothing diabolical or "indoctrinated" about that.Ends do not justify the means though, and compromising the planet will not work in the long run, the planet is not playing strip poker with anybody.

  • What Katrina? DO You mean the one that was a natural disaster waiting to take down the knowingly failing Levees that were neglected by the Democratic Mayor and Governor of Louisiana nad New Orleans? The Katrina that FEMA was poised to assist with, were on standby to anyone who would make a request???? The Fema that had to come in without the benefit of Lousiannas tattered Emergency management agency that was useless under their Democratic Governor and Democratic Mayor?

  • Silly to blame the mayor when the government refused his budget demands for more money to do a better job. Meanwhile, George Bush was playing golf, or was he reading the rest of the Little Goat Book?

  • well at the rate we are going now you definitely wont see any of that SS money. At least McCain clearly stated that he will balance the budget by 2013 however obama stayed clear of the issue.i would rather have my money in a private account doing some work than hand it over to bureaucrats and hope they dont spend it on some stupid project.

  • Like always richman's war poorman's fight

  • new. world. order.

  • Pkenans: There is No doubt that BHO is Hardcore Socialist (he seems to THINK it is a NEW concept 'some kind of change?'), and for some reason IT WIll Work if HE HIMSELF Lords Over Socialism! BHO appears to want redistribution "Socialist" Fashion wherever he can find it! Doubtlessly Funds re-distributed will end up where they ALWAYS do. Tied up, Dwinding and Skimmed via Bureaucracy, Corruption, Politics, Oversight and ethics commissions. It fails every time despite good intentions

  • The Bush administration has spent more money, than any other administration, democrat or republican! We the taxpayers will pick up the bill - but nobody calls that socialism. This war was a FRAUD - concocted for the profit of a select few. SPIN an opposing viewpoint any way you want - your still wrong -Obama is for middle class american taxpayers like me who are fed up! Thats all.

  • What planet do you live on. Bush's market deregulation let a bunch criminal speculators send oil prices soaring. This is also what caused enron to go under. Workers lost everything while the CEO's were cashing out. Their 401k's, stocks, they lost it all because of no government oversight. The same deregulation caused the housing crises. People are living in their cars cause of no government oversight. Socialist my ass. You don't know shit. Bush has bankrupt this country. 10 trillion in the hole.

  • I get tired of reactionaries claiming if I am for re-building the rotting infastructure to prevent catastrophes like KATRINA to devastate us, instead of plowing trillions into the pockets of a few oil conglomerates the Bush family hold stock in, that I am somehow transformed from a Democrat who believes in capitalism into a "SOCIALIST". There's corrupt skimming everywhere, but good people have to work together, not sling mud at the democratic process.

  • VJ: What Trillions are you talking about? The Huge infrastructure that needs to be maintained to extract, deliver, refine, ditribute and ultimately sell to the consumer??? Are you referring to the dividends that money market and mutual funds that are owned by retirees and future retirees? You mean the retirement accounts Obama want to tax, eliminating ANY coumpounding THAT is the sole reason for investing?

  • I am talking about bridges, roads, levees, hospitals (like the VA hospitals there to help the citizens) etc.

  • VJ: It's hard to tell because there was nothing said about bridges, road, levees or hospitals. As you know ANYBODY in the world can walk into a U.S. Hospital and be serviced. We throw pre-nat and bitrhing services to people who are not citizens ALL the TIME, and make baby U.S. Citizens that allow the illegally resident parents to stay with their American child. Got cancer? Step right up! Got a cold - Step right up!

  • It was very evident what I was talking about, you are inventing excuses to rant.

  • i also dont think obama will have the ability to carry out his proposals just because of the enormous deficit and debt bush is leaving behind.obama is gonna have to sacrifice his politics in order to do the right thing. and i would rather have a president be truthful about his understanding of economics and seek advice from professionals than pretend to know and talk out of his ass.

  • Pkenans: We can't lay the deficit at Bush's Feet. The congress spends the money and the president can spend NONE without congres. So actually the Democrats are passing forward their Own deficit to themselves! Either a Liberal gets into the Presidency, eliminating the last defence to their runaway spending, or a responsible congress gets voted in and gets a handle on the spending. Obama should go to Europe and spend THEIR Money!

  • well of course congress had a hand in this but you cant let the executive administration get away with it after all it is the president that submits the budget to congress every year.and congress appropriations must be signed by the president to take effect.i agree with liberals controlling the congress and executive branch the debt can get even worse but then again i believe the economist advisers will steer the president in the right direction for the sake of economic security regardless

  • I like your opinion, but why do want sling mud at Obama in this mess? We have allowed bush to go at it for eight years and a lot of people held their heads high until they could not afford to put their shoes. I like the way you guys like to push blame through the open doors. This young man is oh so right death is better than honor. If these young people were dying to defend the country big honor, but this mess these young people are dying for has no purpose.

  • Kenny: If the U.N. Lays out a resolution for Husseins removal - It's pretty serious (cause they do nothing about anything). After 12 Years of Violations, AND Yes Hussein was a crazy Tyrrant ruling by "Death Squad"! 37 Nations sent their aid and Troops for the Mission. As usual it's America holding the baton. It does not help that we have politicians trying to vilify the leadeship for political Gain! This has been coined "The DNC Demonizing of America", By European leadership, hamstrung by it!

  • hey you were right about commenting on obama videos. you cant say anything against him even if its respectfully disagreeing or even asking what he wants to "change"

  • PK: Thanks for checking and confirming for US! I was very gentle BUT They really pissed ME off! OBAMA's Lackeys are Censoring in what I thought was a PUBLIC FORUM (why I change my name to LubeJob by the way, Seriously that's why!) ANYWAY it's CENSORSHIP in AMERICA! Widely Acknowledged as the Keystone OF DEMOCRACY, AND Obama's way is censorship, goes along with the inability to acknowledge anything Good about America, or Humanity! It's an ObamaNation! Un-American and CRIMINAL!

  • and i was watching this video where he was talking about pulling out of iraq in 16 months but the thing that caught my ear was when it sounded like he wanted to redistribute iraqi oil revenues. not only does he want to socialize american oil now iraq? am i interpreting this wrong or is that what it really sounds like he wants to do?

  • Barack Obama on Veterans in Fargo, ND

    just look for that video

  • NY TIMES July 2008: To leave this nuclear material sitting around the Middle East in the hands of Saddam and THE SAME CPORRUPT UNITED NATIONS that FAILED to stop the genocide in Darfur and was GUILTY of the oil-for-food scandal would have been TOO BIG A RISK.

  • I just checked it out, apparently, it can't even be used. It wasn't even the same supply from the 2003 speech. North Korea, as I said, has it too, but yet, they're still using it and we didn't care. Remember two years ago when their missile fell into our waters?

  • NY TIMES: July 2008 For all the talk about America's failure to discover Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, this is a big deal. We've reported on claims by top Israeli officials speaking on the record that Iraq smuggled its chemical weapons to Syria before America invaded in 2003.

    The uranium issue is not a trivial one, because Iraq has no peaceful need for nuclear power. Saddam Hussein had already invaded Kuwait, launched missiles into Israeli cities, and harbored terrorist groups......

  • Heart Felt. Yeah thing is last year 95% of the people we were fighting were street thugs... Not Alkaida. Everyones Terrorist I guess =/

  • NEW YORK TIMES: I was mistaken 550 TONS!!!

    Here's a story you may have missed over the long holiday weekend: 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium worth tens of millions of dollars were shipped out of Iraq to Canada. The material was transported in 37 military flights in 3,500 secure barrels, according to the Associated Press.

    READ IT!

    Google> Iraq yellow cake

    More"

    we all will be safer for the act that 550 tons of nuclear fuel are now being put to peaceful use in Canada

  • ok lubejob whatever you say ive been over there once and i did see some life changing shit. things i wont ever forget but america is an apple rotting from the core out we have no control of it neither does our gov. apparently so who are you a 37 year old man to sit here and subjectly voice an opinion you no nothing about. sure im only in an infintry unit but i still was there trying to stop a dictator who kills? have you seen anything mr. nato? your full of shit with your unethical statistics.

  • this guy is stupid.first of all huckabee is governor. furthermore,there was a large majority support in usa to go into iraq with british,russian,and german intelligence along with ours confirming terrorist activities.and who do you think works for kbr,blackwater?former us soldiers and kbr stock is actually declining down more than 20%ytd.and if we did leave it right now the Iraqis would be too vulnerable and not to mention it would damage our international credibility.

  • We don't have much credibility as it is. Besides, from what I recall, there were more divisons when it came toinvading Iraq in 2003, to the point it was NOT a majority. Even Germany and Russia didn't believe it.

  • get your facts straight, there was something like 75% approval for going into iraq with the 9-11 euphoria still looming and intelligence from different countries did confirm terrorist activities in iraq but no wmd's.true we should have never gone in the first place but fact is we did and pulling out before the people can get back on their feet is just morally irresponsible.even polls conducted in iraq support the presence of us troops.

  • 9-11 euphoria was just bullshit. What countries had intelligence? Everyone at the UN scoffed at Colin Powell's 'evidence'. At one point, I believed them, I honestly did. After they admitted to lying, and Wolfowitz said they just wanted the oil, I stopped defending them.

    Iraq doesn't have the debt problem we do, their army is still standing, and their government has ASKED us to leave. The insurgents are fighting al-Qaeda and us. Let them kill Bin Laden's goons, we still have Afghanistan

  • wtf are you talking about 9-11 euphoria was bullshit?bush's approval ratings were above 80% because of that euphoria and yes there was intelligence confirming terrorist activities but true they lied about the wmds.sure we should have never gone in BUT your wrong about iraq asking us to leave because they can barely enforce laws with us there and leaving would just result in more chaos.even still our troop levels are declining so things are definitely improving but we cant just leave abruptly.

  • The fact that everyone claimed in their own paranoia that everything, and everyone was involved with 9-11 was bullshit. It's why we have the security shit going on now.

    Bush's ratings didn't drop until Iraq, which had only the CIA saying there were terrorists.

    Did you even read about recent news with Iraq DEMANDING a timetable? Even Iraqi people I've known, who supported it at first, want it over with.

    What about the refugee problem in Iraq we're ignoring?

  • omg man, it doesnt matter whether it was bullshit or not the fact is a decision was made and now we have to live with that decision.and do some research,bush had more than 75% approval when decided to go to iraq and all the major intelligence agencies around the world, cia russia gemany britain etc. confirmed that saddam was a threat.and the refugees?that supports my point we need to stay and enforce law or else more will be persecuted by extremists thus more refugees.have you ever been there?

  • It does matter, because if you don't LEARN from it, it WILL happen again. Like they're trying to hype up Iran now, even when we're still selling to them.

    I only recall the CIA saying that about Iraq. At the UN, the leaders of Germany, Russia, etc, were all saying they didn't buy it.

    The refugees are ignored, the conflict will just make more. Saddam's dead, and the insurgents just want us out. I had friends there, some of whom died, is that good enough?

  • Like I said, I also have known Iraqi Americans, who even SUFFERED at the hands of Saddam's thugs, who are against the war now, even when one of them was over there as a translator. They were glad Saddam's dead, but just staying to fight people who want us out is kind of stupid.

  • Darky: Get it right! Iraq agrees with a ttimetable leadibng to a Withdrawal according to CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND! They even corected Obamas use of the disinformation that "They agree with ME" There is NO policy shift on that count. You again seem to thinl that we are "fighting the people". Get it through your Head! The people are united. The Terrorists are the ONLY ONES that want us out! That would like to re-institute the "Compliance by Death Squad" government of old!!!

  • United? Then, why are there all the militias that are fighting each other and attacking al Qaeda? Why are we fighting INSURGENTS? The government over there is still corrupt, and many of them are involved with the insurgents. Even Obama didn't support a full withdraw immediately, but a gradual one.

    This is going to take forever, because neither side will cave in. Afghanistan's becoming a mess again, and no one seems to care. The whole thing's bullshit

  • see you have little understanding of whats going on there.the insurgents are the ones fighting us AND iraqi soldiers.wtf do you think we are still there? knowing people who were there and actually being there are different.and your info is just wrong. every major intelligence agency aroung the world including cia confirmed the iraqi threat despite what you recall.i still have family there and if the US leaves the sectarians will take over again and everything would have been a waste.

  • What is the fighting for anyway? There are different sects of insurgents, we can't say they're all the same group working for the same leader, because they aren't, it's a mix of at least three groups. It's us and the Iraqi army, the insurgent militias, and al Qaeda fighters all at once. Why can't the Iraqi army handle the problem themselves too?

    So what was the Iraqi threat, when we haven't found the yellowcake that was said to exist, the uranium which was never found.

  • darky lol you pretty much just made my point.there are insurgents and terrorists fighting the post-2003 government and you wonder why their army cant handle it themselves.the government is so new and fragile it would be a miracle if it could enforce civil law and at the same time fend off the sectarian insurgents and fight terrorism without US backing and the fact that its mostly our fault they are in this mess and you think abandoning them is the right thing to do.usa leaving is immoral.

  • pkenans: Thank you for a resasoned response. What these folks here fail to understand is that: As the Clear/Hold/Build (ie. surge) strategy pushes out the immediate reprisal of "Death Squads" that kill whole families in order to maintain subservience we gain an incredible resource for intel! That results in about oh?? say? 300 million Iraquis that have an extreme interest in this FIRST EVER opportunity for a Democracy! QUESS WHAT? Democracies don't wage war on one another!!!!!

  • yea most people are ignorant and just form opinions based on rumors.i am proud to say i am a muslim and i currently have family in that region and the religious fanatics are a serious threat to the prosperity of all islamic nations. iraq needs a government that supports free unregulated markets and property rights and to do this they need a solid national defense which is currently improving thanks to US troops.hasty withdrawal will commence chaos and everyone there agrees.

  • Okay, so what to do about the different militias? We have the various Sunni and Shia militias, the Nationalists, and even some of those who support the current government; like the Marxists, can we trust them? They are Communists after all.

    I know many of the areas have revolted against the insurgents and the al Qaeda as well. It's a big mess with what seems to be dozens of factions. But we also need to cut off the head of the serpent, which is probably near Pakistan.

  • what to do as far as strategy?well cant be very specific because im not a military strategist and dont have the intel.of course the marxists are not a good thing but they need protection too.the main thing is to stop the religious violence and terrorist that impedes free markets and political freedom.once business is free to conduct itself with the governments protection it will be alright and hopefully there will be no more flak from angry nationalists.

  • Strategy-wise, like I said, go for the top guys who may still be in Tora Bora. Take out the central core, and everything will become splintered. Killing lieutenants occassionally doesn't help much, as there will be another.

    Problem is though, religious violence in the region dates back THOUSANDS of years. There's been bigotry as long as there's been civilization. I honestly don't see us being able to stop that, that would take a miracle from God, Himself.

  • well i dont really have anything to say about your thoughts on strategy except that i have full faith in the commanders that are working solely to accomplish their goal and have the best resources to make such decisions. the religous violence will subside with the introduction of the free markets and support of a non-sectarian government.remember there was relative peace between sunni and shia before 2003 so a stable economic environment will likely subdue the tension.

  • Saddam kept the peace between those sects through violence. Fact is, as long as there is the paranoia which exists here in the US and over there regarding Israel, secret socities, false prophets among the different sects, etc, it will continue.

    A problem I had heard about with the Iraqi army is the fact that they haven't keep good tabs on those troops. They just show up now and again, get a paycheck and go home. Don't know if that's still the case or not.

  • well you may or may not be right about how saddam kept the peace but just by looking at other countries you can conclude that economic stability is a requirement to keep peace.there was definitely lack of organization of iraqi troops but like i said its improving as the government is getting more organized.my father has been there several times training iraqis and he says its getting better.

  • pkenans: This is a rare and unfamiliar treat! This is exactly what is best for all the World! I have a favor to ask!? I have requested MANY times, Over and Over to the DNC "Spinwheel" afflicted that treads on the Tube. No Takers Yet (in fact it has often gotten me block from the blogs)! Anyway, since you have family in the area could you have them mail some RECENT FOOTAGE of "Muslims Dancing in the streets shouting DEATH TO AMERICA"? The DNC Has been unable to Correct me on this!

  • a lot of people fail to realize that there is a lot of american support in the middle east.only the religous fanatic minority have ill will towards the west and the actual citizens of iran, iraq, saudi arabia, etc embrace western and american culture. most of them want to be like us, watch our movies, listen to our pop artists, etc. but there is a fear from the conservative governments.

  • I get that, all of that's understood. Problem is too, we condone a lot of it, especially in nations like Saudi Arabia, whom, I have my suspicions of.

  • I don't think abndoning them is right at all, but what they're doing now, with no new strategy other than a troop increase, doesn't focus on everything. For example, as both of us said; the refugee crisis, which no one; not the Congress, the UN, the President, have even seemed to make an issue about, or at least talked much about it.

  • ok so you agree we definitely need to stay.the issue here is to keep the new iraqi government in place which cant be done without adequate defense.and as far as refugees,i totally agree and neither candidate has uttered a single word about it but i also think it mostly involves the surrounding countries like syria where they have millions of them though america should show some support.mccain definitely has a better grasp of the issue and obama simply wanting to pull out is mereley political bs

  • I think we need to have some kind of presence there, perhaps not what we have now. Train their army to better defend themselves, because we can't do it forever.

    Obama, I have heard him say that he would like to withdraw some of the troops, but he's even said that a full evacuation would be a problem. He has said, rather, we can't stay and fight a war with no plan, no end in sight, forever. Even WW2 had a plan. Like Hitler, Bin Laden's goons will fall apart without that centrality.

  • well we have special forces there right now doing that very thing which is training iraqi troops.obama seems like he just flows with the political wind,which can be said of mccain also, but obama is much more idealogical and tends to blatantly ignore real factors in order not to contradict his populist views.he said that he would start withdrawing immediately and completely by 2010.i think mccains approach is much more reasonable and supportive of the efforts.

  • McCain said he'd also be fine with being there for 100 years. Either that means we don't have a plan, or he just lost his mind. Not to mention the fact he said he doesn't understand economics, and honestly, we don't need another blunder like that.

  • well mccain says alot of stuff that i think can be taken out of context and i do believe he said that he meant 100 years minor presence if necessary like how we have small number of military in lots of countries.and even though he said he only has a basic understanding of economics, his proposals are a lot sounder than obama's which are based on fairness,redistribution,social­ism,regulation,and protectionism.

  • Pkenans: Understood. I can understand how conservative govts in the East would be concerned (a Lot of it is the power they will lose). There is a lot of what's bad about America pumped in over there. BUT When SOME leaders of this country disparage without also acknowledging what is noble. Admit a mistake and call it A huge fault - BUT BLAME the OTHER guy - for Political gain. The term for this is the "Demonizing of America". Recently the DNC is Hellbent on Portraying FAILURE!

  • All leaders blame the other guy, that's been done since the beginning of time itself.

    Besides, why acknowledge what's good, when you know it? You don't need it shoved down your throat that 'such and such is good' than it just gets damned annoying

  • Darky: Sure there is the Blame gain. But outright lying about the facts is criminal. You would have been blocked and canned a long time ago if this post was like Obama'08. Take Pkenans positive comment about progress and paste it into Oboma'08. You will be deleted (if it even gets through). You then will be BLOCKED from further discourse. That's censorship! THEY DO NOT want anybody hearing anything positive about Iraq or anything else! Try it!!! That's "Blame and Run" I guess!

  • I've seen those posts in an Obama video, same for any anti-war video on here, no blocking or canning from what I've seen. Some may do it, yes, but does it speak for everyone?

  • i agree, the so called liberals are heavily vested in the failure of just about everything just so they can push their own socialist programs and to take away freedom in the name of doing good.i really couldnt believe it when they were actually condemning companies and individuals for making profits and living the dream.its like obama wants to take away all incentive for becoming wealthy.the government is not capable of solving social problems without the use of violence and coercion.

  • Well - The crazy part is that..

    1. We need more companies that make 100 Billion NOT less!

    2. Profit margin for ALL Large business runs 6-7% or so, with fluctuations! Stock KEEP it THAT way!

    3. Most Stocks are Owned by the mutual and retirement accounts that give economic security people that will continue paying tax on it!

    4. Killing the dividends defeats the whole purpose of "compounding" which allows people to get back more than they put in! It's THEIR savings THAT WILL keep them OFF S.S.!

  • Darky: JEEZ! What the hell do you thinkk the SOLUTION IS??? Give me a good example of a SOLUTION. This is the BEST ONE.. None are good!

    ABOVE WILL APPEAR THE INFO ON YELLOW CAKE!

    NEW YORK TIMES - JULY, 7 2008

  • Darky: Nobody Lied about WMDs. Every inrelligence in the World is involved in that, and Every DEMOCRAT that voted for the resolution had access to THEM>. The only lies are comming from the DNC "Demonizing of America" Campaign. Only because Nukes were mentioned (never statd as Fact), AND they are not the only WMDs known to man ie. Chem and Bio must be included, and Boh have been used by Hussein.

  • Yes, both were used by Saddam, but none were found. Those mobile labs that Powell hyped about were nothing. There was nothing there, nothing was found, no yellowcake or uranium as they said in 2002 and 2003.

  • PK: You are EXACTLY right! Out from under the Very local and Very real Threat of "Death Squad" retaliations to self and Family, for even 'percieved' dissent, the People have embraced the chance for Democracy and have jumped "full in"! No Surprise, as FREEDOM and LIBERTY DOES THAT TO PEOPLE, (well, unless your a liberal Maybe). THE SUCCESS of Clear/Hold/Build is UNDENIABLE! The result of "Political Will" that the DNC "Demonizing of America via Bush" SEEKS to Erode!

    A+ for You Friend

  • Fuck you, you are war-supporter. you just want the war too!! Someday you will bethe one who dont want a war with your country! you´ll see. next war of your country. it would be your end!

  • Nutspaz:

    I guess thats why we took it over there! I suppose you think its better if Iraq Takes Kuwait, Iran takes Iraq, While Syria kicks back waiting to take all of them, JUST before Russia comes in an takes them ALL! Ya Know = WAR SUCKS! But WHAT'S YOUR alternative? YOU wouldn't even be HERE!!!! If the ABOVE had all transpired! WHen You are being SHOT AT, You make the Choice! That's how simple it is. You hold still and perish. Nobodys stopping you! Hell, I'll Buy you a ticket!

  • @LubeJob4U:

    WHY I´M NOT SURPRISED THAT YOU ARE AMERICAN??

  • Dear NutSpaz: Probably beacause I have challenged your thinking. Medicine for the DNC "Demonizing of America" Campaign for which you have fallen Prey! One of the symptoms is to ignore commons sense when it is offered and triggering GAG Reflex to attack or slur or just plain ol' Start cussing! The DNC "Spinwheel" article 17 States "Introduce rediculous, babbling, icoherent history revision. Repeat them until they sound true to the feeble!" THEORY being that the memory gaps Produce Votes!!!

  • Just out of curiousity, where do you get this paranoid bullshit about the 'DNC Demonizing of America'? It sounds like the same crap dictators spew about 'the others' to create panic and gain power.

  • What do You call it when Howard Dean and the DNC outright lie, tell the WORLD America Sucks, misrepresent the entire Iraq deal ALL for political advantage DNC Style. AS Before >>> SHOW US ANY RECEENT FOOTAGE OF ALL THE DISSENT AND PROTEST YOU CLAIM > Maybe Muslims dancing in the streets chanting "Death to America" and Burning Uncle Sam?? CAN'T! Proves you WRONG on all the crap You Bought. The DNC tells Everybody Otherwise. CAN'T Do the aforemantioned or they would!

    "Demonizing Of America"

  • ...What? Where on God's green earth did they say anything about America? Yeah, they said stuff about Bush, but so did he about Clinton during the Kosovo War, which was a NATO conflict. Guess that's demonizing too.

    Why don't you look it up yourself, you're on fucking YOUTUBE for God's sakes. Do I need to do all the work? Just type it yourself, or stfu

  • This guy is great, he show the opinion about the american politk from the view of a soldier!

    great job, great video and i agree with your opinion!! AMERIKA WAKE UP!!

  • Cindy Sheehan gave an opinion an opinion too... does that make it majority? Does that mean it isn't biased politically. This is just one opinion WAKE UP!

  • Dear SpetzNAD: Crawl BACK into your Mal-content enclave with your disaffected brethren and keep Studying YOUR DNC Campaign Literature! We're not buying that crap over here, and you should be ashamed that you have bought into it OVER THERE!!!!!!!!!!

    HEY! You have access!!!..

    WE WANT YOU TO SHOW US>>

    ANY> RECENT footage of protesters decrying America? Muslims Cheering in the streets shouting "Death to the Infidels" OR is that JUST ACCORDING TO the DNC "Demonizing of America Campaign"?

  • Uhh..yeah, people still decry some things the government does, and anti-Americanism has risen over there, along with terrorism. But that's just what the Justice Department says, what do they know, right?

    Just how was Iraq involved with 9-11? Bush even said they weren't, Wolfowitz said they weren't in 2003, it's all bullshit. The same crap cooked up for every war; yell about patriotism, make the other side look bad, etc. Yet, do they ever focus on the historical aspects?

  • You Know- Until you turn off your computer AND sell Your CAR! YOU ARE THE OIL PROBLEM! Pretty simple actually. NOW! Show me >>RECENT footage of Muslims dancing in the streets shouting "Death to America" GET THIS - Iraq was a result of 12YEARS of U.N. resolution Violations (stipulations to his suurrender!). That's the DNC Spinwheel YOU ARE listening to! So the terrorist are regrouping to get their pass punched to the AllAH EXPRESS!

    No surprise there! TRAINS LEAVIN'!

  • Yeah, what do you drive? Unless you give up YOUR car too, there will still be an oil demand.

    I guess you never saw all the protests and such from Pakistan and other Arab nations in the last 3 or 4 years. Is that recent enough? There were no WMDs found, NOTHING. Saddam even KILLED Bin Laden's lieutenant. All but one instance has been disproven to be accurate. Saddam saw al Qaeda as a threat, they hated each other over the different beliefs.

  • Darky: 1. I'm NOT the one blaming everybody else about YOUR oil demand! 2. The operative word was "RECENT" 3. Not unless you want to call CHEMS, and 3 tons of "Yellow cake Uranium" 4. You are correct. Saddam was well Leary of Al quaeda, although he supported many other Groups with Money/weaponry! BUT 911 and terrorists HAD LITTLE to Do with the U.N. Resolution that Saddam need to GO! VIOLATING EVERY TRUCE/CEASE FIRE Agreement DID! 37 NATIONS SENDING TROOPS and SUPPORT SPEAKS LOUDLY!