Victor, this channel allows free speech and does not block people that disagree. In short, this is no place for you. You can't censor posts here or quote mine and liars and their lying lies are not welcome. In your troll like manner you did not even address the biblical error that this man brought up. Take your superstition and go back to your bronze age channel.
@FindingTruthToday What about the fact that the gospels give differing geneologies for Joseph or that only 2 of the gospels mention the "virgin birth"? What about the differing orders of creation in Genesis? Why does Jesus tacitly condone slavery by prescribing how to treat servants/slaves? Why does the buy bull claim that god is unchanging and you want to throw out OT law but keep the 10 commandments? Either way, your god is an inept communicator. You ignore this for emotional reasons.
@richwfd2002 You are mistaken, there are not differing genealogies for Joseph. Omission of something isn’t contradiction. No different ordering in Genesis.Jesus doesn’t condone slavery, just informs everyone who has slaves (workers) how to properly treat them.The Christian commandments come via Christ Jesus’ teachings which include all but the Sabbath rest. Referring to OT for 10 Commandments is easier b/c listed together.U ignore God for emotional reasons;u don’t adhere to instructions.
@FindingTruthToday Christianity is a death cult, Jesus' death, our death, the death of the planet. Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.". Because you have succumbed to emotional blackmail, do not expect others to do the same. That's all you have to offer.
@richwfd2002 Atheism offers certain eternal death w/o exception. Christ Jesus offers eternal life to those who choose to accept it. It is your and my choice to choose either one or the other. I suggest that you choose wisely as eternity is a very long time.
!!!TROLL ALERT!!! !!!FINDINGTRUTHTODAY IS A TROLL!!!
Victor, this man will not block you because he disagrees with you, He will not knowingly lie. He will not make assertions and not defend them. He will answer direct questions. These are all things you won't do. You do not deserve to participate in this forum. Take you superstition and lies and go away.
Do not be decieved by his troll comments, his agenda is to make the religious seem blind to obvious facts and willfully ignorant even when presented with clear and overwhelming evidence. Even for this vid, he completely ignores one of the many errors in his "bible" and just simply spouts threats. Don't be fooled, he is playing a Kazoo for a reason, TOOT, TOOT!!
If God doesnt exist, and the Bible is a lie. Why are you so concerned with proving God and The Bible wrong? By debating the validity of God you are admitting that God does exist.
@mindymerc I just spend 4 hours debating who would win in a fight between Goku and Superman, and I don't believe in either of them.
If theists were a small minorities, then no one would care what their silly beliefs are. However, since there are so many theists, they effect the world around us, and they base their actions on their silly religious beliefs.
" I actually think Goku would most likely win against current Superman."
Your belief that Goku would win is not actualy "evidence" that he could. Besides, Superman is always Superman, even as Clark Kent, he does not have to transform to be have his powers. You obviously have no understanding of Superman.
@joestfrancois have I ever claimed that my belief is the evidence? this is not a good place for this discussion because I can't post scans to support my conclusions, and I can't write posts long enough to explain everything I'd like to explain. Also this is completely off topic.Goku has his powers without transformations, transformations just multiply his powers, SSJ 50 times, SSJ2 100 times and SSJ3 400 times.
Doesn't matter how long of a post you write and you can provide any kind of pseudo-science that you want, the truth is you had decided Goku was better than Superman, not based on fact or evidence but because you wanted him to be. One day perhaps you will see the error of your ways. Almost 300 million americans know the truth, your feelings toward america are keeping you from true knowledge. I feel sorry for you.
@joestfrancois You haven't even heard my reasons, and you already think I am a fanboy...
Why would I wanted him to be the winner? I have no allusions about DBZ. Character development in DBZ in extremly shallow, plot is stupid as hell, it lacks feats, powers were poorly explained and it would be best if it ended with Frieza saga, It does however offer a medium amount of entertainment.
Dude, I was doing the fundie type argument against anything, you so did not get it. I never heard of Goku till you mentioned him. I like Superman, but he IS a made uo guy. Like Jesus, get it?
this just proves how foolish seemly logical thinking can really be. Is it logical to reject the idea of all knowing creator for the idea that everything happened by chance? The whole complexity of the microscopic to the vastness of the macroscopic. Have you even stopped to consider what if I'm wrong and the Christians are right? Where will i go when i die?
I know, right? Even If God could keep it daylight in that area longer, he wouldn't be abl,e to counteract any catastrophic events that may pop up, right? No way, he'd be limited to simply controlling the source of light.....wow, this is genius...lol
proof that you don't understand God... what has God to do with the Bible, huh? the Bible was written by humans... not by God. if a bunch of losers claim they understand God, will you believe them?
dude, let's put it clear; God has nothing to do with this world... nothing! this is a material world... of physical phenomena. have you ever seen God? could any human prove has seen Him? no... God won't give a dime on us, on our silly scriptures, or even on your pointless atheist argumentation...
If this really was the work of an omnipotent and omniscient God as described, I'm sure he would have had all of the scientific know-how to pull it off smoothly without the disasters that you described. Remember, he can do anything he wants. If a believer were to counter with that argument, I think you'd be hard pressed to deny it. Please don't take this to think I believe that that is how this happened but I think that there are much better arguments against the existence of this or any god.
This 'contradiction' doesn't hold much weight. God never said the sun revolves around the earth. It was Joshua's point of view, and how would he know the earth revolved around the sun?
As for gravity or whatever other side effects, a christian could just say God prevented any such side effects from happening. Really, a christian would just laugh this one off.
2. We live in a material world, and what makes we different from a piece of rock is that we are inteligent beings, i.e, we have the ability to create (and destroy), and with all technology we have today we can't explain how life (and beyond that - inteligence) is created, and sincerely, I don't believe that our inteligence is a combination of atoms, which make me think that there is something beyond our material world;
1. Although we can explain the origin of many reactions (something like cause effect), if we consider that God doesn't exist we'll have to admit that the universe was created from nothing, and the "nothing" can't create anything. So, moving out of the catholic dogmas we know today, how we can explain the Universe without God?
You point a lot of questions I did all my life about religion, and, based on our logic and the knowledge of the world we have today, we can easily prove that the church is wrong in so many aspects like you did. I personally think that you are right in so many points, but there are some issues I think we should ponder:
But aside from that God can manipulate the universe any way he wants. he can make the sky silver, the clouds way the sun, the moon flaming, and the earth freezing. But since theirs logic behind everything that God does we have to ask ourselves, how can we possibly reason against the inventor of reason. and what make you think that we really know so much about the universe. it's been over 5,000 years and we still don't know a tenth of what their really is.
When the Bible said that God stopped the Sun and the moon it is just a different way of saying that God froze the universes pattern, so the Sun stopped moving the Earth stopped moving the moon and the planets stopped moving etc., God knew what Joshua meant when he asked for the Sun and the moon to stop moving but because humans at the time did not understand the universe very well so what was written was what the people saw and not what completely took place.
That's pretty silly. So would you say the fact that we call the sun rising and setting is attributable to the failure of science?..
Actually, call it a coincidence, but in the original language there are two different words used for the sun and moon in this verse. Why wouldn't they just say the sun and moon stood still? Why a distinction between the two?
The sun was silenced and the moon stayed, would be the literal translation.
I wouldn't call this some catastrophic "mistake" at all. Stating or implying that the sun stays still while the earth revolves around it is just as fallacious as saying that atoms have neat orbits for electrons to follow (we now know it's more like clouds with unpredictable paths). It really comes down to what your point of reference is, i.e., special relativity. Both the sun and earth move. Which one is circling which can be interpreted differently, and both ways are equally valid.
The heart of the issue is that you attempt to assault God's truth. What do you do with it? You add your own commandments, "Life with unnecessary guilt" "Answer your own questions," "Better yourself" Etc. The first thing one does when they stray from God's word is that they add their own word to be taken literally. You are on shaky ground because your word lacks the authority that God's word has. It is ironic that you do not see that your word has no authority while God's word has so much
@watsumo While I wait for your reply to my challenge that you "beg the question" by using your assumption that the Bible is the word of god as "proof" that the Bible is the word of god, I see that you continue to do so here.
Whoa, please stop embarrassing yourself. You need to stop and ask the question, "How is the Bible meant to be read, or how did the author intend for his book to be read?" Use reason here friend. The author is not writing a science book. He is giving an account of events. Furthermore a science class would tell you that it is scientific to give an accounts of things from a certain vantage point. To neglect this truth of science is illogical and unreasonable on your part.
I have been enjoying many atheist videos (I just came from "Why Won't God Heal Amputees") but most atheists are too deluded in their own religious hysteria to assess the validy of their own arguments.
Motion is RELATIVE, but if it wasn't SO WHAT?
This is exactly the kind of brain dead 5th grade non-issue crap that atheists AND christians are always using to try to prove something.
Your mistake in relating the story is making the assumption that God must abide by any physical laws which He created. If He is all-powerful, then He would not. If He created them, then He could do whatever He wishes in their regard, including suspending them, without ill-affect during or after. The problem is that you think as a human being, being one. You cannot comprehend what is beyond the limitations of human thought.
@receivejesusnow Well, tell me how do you explain that inconsistency in physics with the Bible? I know the answer: Because God is imaginary and the Bible was written by primitive men. But let's see what your answer is....
the whole thing about the sun stopping was a perspective from the writer, not God. The writer wrote that and was simply stating that the sun and move weren't moving in the sky.
and no catastrophic events happened because thats just how Great our God is. He did create this universe. Why wouldnt He be able to stop the earth from terrible things like that?
@surshot56 actually those natural disasters you are thinking of are human controlled. if you really do your research, i mean, you would know EXACTLY what i am talking about
@pkmuffun If I do my research I will find what exactly? Site some sources. So all this time when people were killed by natural disasters it was all under human control?
@surshot56 let me say one thing. if you go through life only believing the facts that you CAN find, you won't go anywhere because you have so many liars trying to prove to you their lies, and you will believe them. Don't take it from me, do your research. But yes, it was human control for a while. hurricane katrina...human control absolutely.
@surshot56 you think this is the reality? all we ever see is the vibration of light. this is no reality. this is the dream. of course it feels real. because we are on the material world
@surshot56 surshot...we are puppets here. this isnt reality. but hey, dont take it from me. live the way you want to live now and find out sooner or later that everything you do is as a puppet
Every morning we have sun rise and ever evening we have sunset. Just because we use older language for something does not make us ignorant does it? Have you thought of a better name for a sun rise? Your understanding of the Bible is pretty weak. You tell people to think for themselves but you don't see the gaping holes in your own ideas. Just because your youtube name is finallyfreefromfaith does not mean you are not depending heavily on faith to justify your new atheist life style.
I do thing the bible was inspired by God but I don't think its perfect. Just because to you that is some sort of proof doesn't prove anything. You are assuming (and wrongly) that when God inspired people to write down things that happened that he told them exactly how they were done. This is certainly not true. To the author of Joshua, it would have looked like the sun "stopped moving" even though it was the earth that stopped spinning.
I'm not too sold on this "mistake." It does appear that Joshua believes the earth to be the center of the universe. I don't think, however, you can infer that God holds the same viewpoint. That could simply be the way Joshua saw things.
If you believe that God created the universe, I see no problem in believing that he can stop the sun and moon.
@MrLavalamp100 I wasn't told there was no god as I grew up, and I wasn't told there was. I figured it out for myself. Let me guess, you were raised being told religion was true your whole life? That's the only way you could believe something so crazy, if you were brainwashed your whole life or you are just a hugely wishful thinker and an ignorant person.
@CoozyMcMillan I actually wasn't taught about religion (Christianity specifically) until I got to my junior year of high school. What you see as crazy makes sense to me. Is it wishful thinking or ignorance for me to see the evil nature within myself? Sure, I'm not a murderer or thief, but I am very selfish and proud. I don't know, I think the Bible has shown me who I really am.
It's not that difficult to deconstruct this. The Bible says that the sun and the moon stopped, it doesn't get scientific. The sun runs a daily course across the sky, and on this particular day God (obviously stopped the earth's rotation) effectively stopping the sun in the sky. This is quite a nit picky 'discrepancy'. Even still, I won't go into the equations and formulas that suggest, given the nature of space, for all we know it is geocentric. Also, it references an extra biblical source.
@jckcism If the Earth suddenly stopped rotating everything on it would be thrown forward at close to a 1000 mph? That would include not only all the lose objects, but the water. Then when God started the rotation up again the acceleration would throw everything in the other direction at the same speed. Cataclysmic indeed.
@jckcism I don't allow that possibility. These so-called miracles never happen today. Either God performed miracles in ancient times, but doesn't do it anymore, or ancient people just made up stories of miracles. I think the latter is far more likely.
@ebullock43 I'm afraid your wrong my friend.. My moms Nephew had 3 massive strokes and was put into a coma. The doctors said he wouldn't make it and only a miracle could save him. And oddly enough, all of our prayers came through and now he is awake going through rehab. I would say that's a miracle.
@xxfisher321xx I'm glad your cousin survived and is doing better.
I wouldn't call his recovery a miracle. Perhaps the doctor was overly pessimistic, or just mistaken in how bad the strokes were. Some people come out of comas without anyone praying for them. I recently lost an aunt to stroke and she had many friends and relatives praying for her. Either way, coming out of coma is not on the same par as stopping the earth's rotation, or parting a sea. It doesn't defy the laws of nature.
@ebullock43 Its like this, if you dont take the time to think about your beliefs or question them then youre bound to be ignorant til then I mean religion is a big ass industry designed to keep stupid people ignorant hoping for afterlife in heaven when I know exactly where you go when you die... Humans are not special, when we die we dont exist anymore and all the physical laws and time dont exist to us neither so if theres really a such thing as reincarnation then a million years might be...
@JuggB only a few seconds to us. You know why they say sleep is the cousin of death because sleep is almost just like death cept if you wake up then you still exist.
He either made the same light shine on earth for 24 hours (Physically plausible) , he made mankind speed up so fast to not notice it , he took them to an alternate earth or virtual Earth where the sun and moon are stopped , or he is just so almighty that he can literally stop the sun and moon for a day and prevent bad things from happening to the Earth.
BTW, if sun had once been stopped in its course, i guess we'd some records from other civilisations... Ah, those christians, no wonder they are such a source of profit for charlatans...
I BELIEVE WITH MY HEART that atheist are just confused people running around in circles searching for more proofs that God doesn't exist. Some may be a rebel because of the bad circumstances but i believe that in every atheist's heart, THERE IS A GOD that they've been trying to avoid. Guess what? God loves you, no matter what you say. COME BACK to the one who created you. Step out from darkness, WALK IN LIGHT. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL! :-)
Why would you even contemplate that a creator would be bound by his/her own material laws?
It's like using "scientific observation" to theorize that a shop is only open between 9am and 6pm and then suddenly the manager comes and opens it at 1am (because he is not bound by the observed theoretical law).
You believe everything in the bible happened, so I would like for you to prove to me that this event not only happened, but that god intervened.
Don't say "you could question any even in history, like napoleon at waterloo as you weren't there"...See, the difference is, the laws of nature and physics were not suspended for napoleon at waterloo.
@braydenbeautiful - I do not know if it happened or not, and I do not care if it did or didn't. The Bible is a very old scripture containing parables and questionable events.
My question to you was based on logic. Having assumed that there is a universal creator (which you have done in this video) how could that creator be subsequently restricted by the very material laws that have been put in place. Do you understand the question? It is not a religious issue, it's one of
1) You are defending the reasoning in the video, so it is your view.
2) It is the video that makes the assumption of a creator and then attempts to disprove it (otherwise there would be no argument).
3) Prove your assumption before trying to dispel it, otherwise you just look sillier than the proponents. If you theoretically accept a creator and then attempt to ridicule the suggestion, you must accept it's possible existence.
@hdregmore I agree, you can't expect an irrational being being bound by logic. Hadn't it been easier though to just help kill the enemies with a bolt of lightning or something than to mess with celestial bodies?
@TheSnorb - Not sure what you meant by "an irrational being being bound by logic". I have no idea if it happened, why or how it could have been done easier. My point is one of logic. If you assume it happened then you must assume the whole scenario, including the inability of a creator to be restricted by their own laws.
@hdregmore By irrational I meant fictional, made-up, only limited by the imagination of its author. You could just as well argue over the things Superman does. The storyteller just assumed god stopped the sun and that tells us the bible is just fiction and not dicated by a god, who should have known better.
@TheSnorb - Religion is fact, this much is clear: From the beginning of recorded history, and from artifacts before that time, religion has been a part of every civilization (in one form or the other). This is evidence of an inherent human understanding of the concept. I have already explained the bad logic of the "sun" event used by atheists.
@hdregmore We can observe a shop manager opening his store at 1 a.m. I have not observed any miracles in my lifetime. All the witnesses of God's miracles are from before the age of enlightenment.
@ebullock43 There have been many miracles since. That is a reason for beatification. In any case that is not a valid argument for failure of the analogy. Anyway the doors may open automatically by timer thereby enhancing my point.
@hdregmore There are many claims of miracles, but I don't know of any that have been scientifically verified. I don't believe miracles occurred in the past or today, or ever. But maybe someday I will be proven wrong. Until then I will be a skeptic.
@ebullock43 Being skeptical is a healthy scientific attitude. The miracles of the church are accepted because there is no other explanation for the event. However I think you are right in saying they are investigated only by the church.
See, that is a pretty easy to say in a book. There is however no evidence that such a statement is true. The more educated, the smarter and more capable you are of critical thinking, the less religious everyone becomes.
The national academy of science is the most productive group in the US, almost all of them reject the concept of God
Korkzor said "The national academy of science is the most productive group in the US, almost all of them reject the concept of God"
I have never heard such an unqualified statement in my life. Do you have the figures to show that. Some scientists are atheistic, that is until they get old or have something happen in their life they cannot explain. You know the old saying "there are no atheists in fox holes".
You are the one who started with the spurious assumptions. I tell you what, you show me the data about the the national academy of science and I'll show you the census reports detailing grouped professionals and the religions they belong to.
@hdregmore - No I didn't start with anyspurious assumptions. You pointed out someone else making what you thought were spurious assumptions and I pointed it out.
Get your facts and logins right.
You said: "Some scientists are atheistic, that is until they get old or have something happen in their life they cannot explain."
Show me the statistics for that, not for the religions of professionals.
It took you a while to try and wriggle out of that one (unsuccessfully). You defended @Korkzor
by sarcastically replying to me with @hdregmore - "Some scientists are atheistic...." I have never heard such an unqualified statement in my life. Do you have the figures to show that?
You entered the argument, now put up. YOU show the figures for the original statement. Hiding and deleting posts won't save you either.
@AlanIsHarmony - Have a read of the "basic assumptions of science " which is the framework for your knowledge. Points 1 and 2 are pretty shaky, and that's what it's all built on. Assumptions. You serve to reinforce this type of egotistical thinking.
@hdregmore - There's nothing egotistical about believing we can learn more about nature by observing and testing.
If science was ever based on superstition, it would stop being science because every other superstition and personal belief in the non-existent would have to be entertained, regardless of how bizarre it may be.
All anyone wants is the smallest genuine evidence of a God and (unsurprisingly) none has been forthcoming.
And even then, why does it have to be a Christian God?
1) It's not built purely on material observation. Otherwise we couldn't deal with air. Such an idea is pure positivism, which doesn't work, scientifically.
2) Religion = superstition. No more.
3) How can anyone carry out an objective assessment on something for which there's no evidence? At what point do you stop making things up? How about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and unicorns?
1) Get your facts correct. According to modern science air is made up of material particles.
2) Positivism and Antipositivism is about social research, so I don't know why you would mention it. Desperate googling perhaps.
3) Please refer to William A Tiller who is professor emeritus of Materials Science and Engineering at Stanford University. He has conducted experiments proving factors influencing matter outside the law of physics. Please at least try and keep up.
1) Positivism - A doctrine contending that sense perceptions are the only admissible basis of human knowledge, beginning with mathematics and culminating in sociology.
2) Since when is a professor emeritus of Stanford a crank?
3) You fuck off you empty minded cuntox peckerwood. Yes you.
@AlanIsHarmony - Since my abusive post was deleted and not yours and in the interest of fairness, I'll post it again -
Positivism - A philosophy which states that the only authentic knowledge is scientific knowledge, different to empiricism and central to the foundation of academic sociology
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Wow, this fat basterd doent know what he is talking about. It makes me laugh to see such a lost person who puts thought above reality. God is able to do anything my freind, he created the planet, the people, the stars and sky, so how come he cant make the moon and sun stay still.
Stoping Earth's rotation would have send your little tribe to fly at mach3 to crash into the mountains. Oceans would have rise (continuing to move arond the globe) so much that even the hymalaya would have been wet.
And btw, how can your god have «ennemies» on Earth that need to be fought?
How could a smal tribue threaten him?
Why would he care about them or send his sheeps to die fighting them when he could have crush them at will? (by stoping Earth's motion...)
Quoting OR mis-quoting the bible is proof of nothing ? It's expounding a mythology of faith .... 'Till somebody shows me a nut & bolt from a UFO , they're in the same category ....
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Proof that GOD exists and the Quran is the last testament of GOD.
Quran [23:13] Subsequently, we reproduced him from a tiny drop, that is placed into a well protected repository.
[23:14] Then we developed the drop into a hanging (embryo), then developed the hanging (embryo) into a bite-size (fetus), then created the bite-size (fetus) into bones, then covered the bones with flesh. We thus produce a new creature. Most blessed is GOD, the best Creator.
I think it was in the works of hippocrates and galens, both who wrote largely identical statements on the subject of embryology and sperm production.
So how is it proof of god, when the information existed in print 1000 years before mohammed was even born?
Surely he could learn this from a doctor?
Im positive one of his friends was a doctor, and this friend of his learnt this information as standard education at the Gundeshupar medical school in india.
why don't people understand what agnostic means? You're agnostic, that's nice, agnostic what? Are you an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist? Agnostic alone is not an option.
That mean that even if everytime science makes religion recedes and make them look dumb, I still can't disprove the existance of their imaginary friend.
So honestly speaking, it makes me an agnostic strongly close to atheism.
For the record, being agnostic doesn't mean you cannot make up your mind. It means that you, like Einstein, Mark Twain, etc. realize that you cannot KNOW whether God exists or not. We can think one way or another, but the fact is that there is no fact on whether God exists or not. He cannot be proven, nor disproven. That is what being an agnostic means. It doesn't mean that you can't make up your mind, it means you are intelligent enough to know that you cannot, and will not ever be able to know
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also, god doesnt interject and erase/fix something in the bible. he is all knowing. he knew joshua would write it the only way he knew how, and he also knew that true believers are smart enough to understand that joshua was asking god to stop something that he knew very little about (the sun). god knew we would be able to understand what joshua was saying. joshua asked for the sun to stop, its the only way he knew how to.
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the bible is describing what is happening, thats all. youre taking it out of context. atheists always manipulate things like this and dont understand properly. joshua asked the question the only way he knew how. obviously they didnt know about gravity back then, so he simply asked for the sun to stop moving so the war could continue.
the only word humans can understand that describes god power is "infinite." we are small creatures to god, and he has more power than we could ever imagine.
its good that your agnostic, now go one step further, fall off the fence. being a agnostic means you cant make up your mind. now for the record, bashing people when then make dumb ass comments like"god can stop the world and the sun from moving" deserves to be bashed! one more for the record, in my first comment to whoever it was i never spelled chris wrong it was just the wrong version version of the name. soooooooo excussssssssse me. sorry i called you a christian
you are something else. your going to bash me over spelling of a god damn name? get a fucking life you low life freak. go read the bible or do whatever it is you do and stay out of the atheist sites if you dont apove of them and stop trying to pass on your fairytales on to others.
as far as i can see i only made 2 comments to this video. none were about attacting someones spelling. my spelling is not that great, this is true. but for the fuckin record chriss can be spelled either way. now go bother someone that is at the same level as you, like maybe a , i dont know, hmmmmm a SLUG
To me, the people back then are the ones who didnt understand the universe. Joshua asked God to stop the sun, because thats how HE thought it worked. Joshua didnt ask God, "hey, explain the universe to me when you stop the sun." God just did what was asked, and to the people it looked like the sun stopped.
(continued)....Which it technically wouldnt have, but why would God have a need to say "hey guys, just so you know the sun isnt just chillin there.. we're actually not rotating around the sun anymore. Well anyways ya go ahead and get back to the war."
And about gravity, God can do all things, so who is to say he can't keep gravity in existance when he "stopped the sun?"
Of course, I don't expect you to believe that, its just my opinion on the matter...
To expand on Gorilla, he is right the effect of the earth's rotation on apparent gravity is small, but stopping the earth involves decelerating from over 1000 mph to zero. The amount of heat and force this would generate would destroy the surface of the earth. Further an earth that did not rotate where the sun shown for 24 or 48 hours straight would get VERY hot and probably result in some huge storms from all the hot air rising,
i'm totally fine with people believing in any religion, even scientology. i really hope that whatever religion or belief anyone have faith with can led them to good,kind and most importantly, happiness. but,honestly i think christianity isn't one of them. maybe sometime,but most of the time don't help the majority. i'm still studying buddhism to see if there's really can be a religion built on fact and encourage real peace behavoir.
Note: The earths rotation has no effect on it's gravity whatsoever. However, the earth's rotation does govern it's magnetic field, which, if stopped, WOULD have catastrophic effects.
I'm certain that we could get in all sorts of semantic games over this, but the earths rotation does cause a centrifugal force and so the gravity at the equator is slightly less than at the pole ( very slightly, measured in promilles). But it acts on all the rock, so when suddenly stopped this would create an inward motion and cause massive havoc. Then again, if you would believe in hocus pocus in the first place, this could again be countered by that magic friend I guess.
Lol meng, you have to make excuses for god then he probably isn't god. don't worry all christians do this about most parts of the bible. I can't believe anyone still believes in these things
@fr3nzylogic - right. Gravity relates to the masses of two objects and the distance of their centers of mass. Cavendish explained this pretty well. You know, when he defined the gravitational constant.
@Finally free from faith - none the less, stopping the earth's rotation would be catastrophic. The sudden stop in angular momentum would certainly cause problems in the Earth's gyroscopic forces, which help maintain the axis. But does this point really need defending?
I haven't read all of the comments to check if this was pointed out, but Earth's rotation does not have a _major_ effect on gravity. Gravity comes as a consequence of a body's mass, the larger the mass, the stronger the gravitational force. The rotation has rather a subtle effect in means of a centrifugal force, which counters the force of gravity only just slightly - you don't experience much of a change at the poles of Earth's axis of revolution. Fix please ;-)
"Sorry there are different definitions of heart, i meant the innermost character or inclinations of a person. "
How do you explain the changes in personality that occur in people after they suffer brain damage? Their whole personality can flip upside-down. What's going on there, cyraqs?
To be honest, I don't have an answer. I don't like the idea that all we are is the grey matter inside our skulls, but there's a heck of a lot of evidence that points to just that.
Lets call a spade a spade. Heart dies, or rather stops beating with the death of nervous system. The innermost inclinations of a person, as you've named, are in fact the various systems at work, which produce your consciousness. And this consciousness is very physical at best. You need no more than a few cans of beer to carry out a simple experiment. Our moral sense needn't be of any supernatural origin. Not any other sense for the matter. Do you consider this possibility?
YES I CAN MASTURBATE NOW
HaloSparta 1 month ago
Hypocrisy. [hi-pok-ruh-see]
Definitions:
1.A pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2.a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3.an act or instance of hypocrisy.
Synonyms: Deceit, fraud, dissimulation, duplicity, christianity.
Chayraz2 2 months ago
Atheism offers certian death. Chist Jesus offers eternal life. It's your choice to seek truth.
FindingTruthToday 5 months ago
@FindingTruthToday
TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT!!!!!
FindingTruthToday IS A TROLL!!
Victor, this channel allows free speech and does not block people that disagree. In short, this is no place for you. You can't censor posts here or quote mine and liars and their lying lies are not welcome. In your troll like manner you did not even address the biblical error that this man brought up. Take your superstition and go back to your bronze age channel.
joestfrancois 5 months ago
@FindingTruthToday What about the fact that the gospels give differing geneologies for Joseph or that only 2 of the gospels mention the "virgin birth"? What about the differing orders of creation in Genesis? Why does Jesus tacitly condone slavery by prescribing how to treat servants/slaves? Why does the buy bull claim that god is unchanging and you want to throw out OT law but keep the 10 commandments? Either way, your god is an inept communicator. You ignore this for emotional reasons.
richwfd2002 4 months ago
@richwfd2002 You are mistaken, there are not differing genealogies for Joseph. Omission of something isn’t contradiction. No different ordering in Genesis.Jesus doesn’t condone slavery, just informs everyone who has slaves (workers) how to properly treat them.The Christian commandments come via Christ Jesus’ teachings which include all but the Sabbath rest. Referring to OT for 10 Commandments is easier b/c listed together.U ignore God for emotional reasons;u don’t adhere to instructions.
FindingTruthToday 4 months ago
@FindingTruthToday Christianity is a death cult, Jesus' death, our death, the death of the planet. Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.". Because you have succumbed to emotional blackmail, do not expect others to do the same. That's all you have to offer.
richwfd2002 4 months ago
@richwfd2002 Atheism offers certain eternal death w/o exception. Christ Jesus offers eternal life to those who choose to accept it. It is your and my choice to choose either one or the other. I suggest that you choose wisely as eternity is a very long time.
FindingTruthToday 4 months ago
@FindingTruthToday
!!!TROLL ALERT!!! !!!FINDINGTRUTHTODAY IS A TROLL!!!
Victor, this man will not block you because he disagrees with you, He will not knowingly lie. He will not make assertions and not defend them. He will answer direct questions. These are all things you won't do. You do not deserve to participate in this forum. Take you superstition and lies and go away.
TOOT TOOT!! VICTOR, PUT AWAY THAT KAZOO!!
joestfrancois 4 months ago 3
@FindingTruthToday It is life that offers certain eternal death. No amount of bullshit is going to change that.
nedladdy 2 months ago
@nedladdy “Everyone must die once, and after that be judged by God.” Hebrews 9:27 (Good News Translation)
FindingTruthToday 2 months ago
@FindingTruthToday
FINDINGTRUTHTODAY IS AN AGENT FOR ATHEISM
Do not be decieved by his troll comments, his agenda is to make the religious seem blind to obvious facts and willfully ignorant even when presented with clear and overwhelming evidence. Even for this vid, he completely ignores one of the many errors in his "bible" and just simply spouts threats. Don't be fooled, he is playing a Kazoo for a reason, TOOT, TOOT!!
joestfrancois 2 months ago
If God doesnt exist, and the Bible is a lie. Why are you so concerned with proving God and The Bible wrong? By debating the validity of God you are admitting that God does exist.
mindymerc 5 months ago
@mindymerc I just spend 4 hours debating who would win in a fight between Goku and Superman, and I don't believe in either of them.
If theists were a small minorities, then no one would care what their silly beliefs are. However, since there are so many theists, they effect the world around us, and they base their actions on their silly religious beliefs.
darkilustrisimus 5 months ago
@darkilustrisimus
" I just spend 4 hours debating who would win in a fight between Goku and Superman, and I don't believe in either of them."
Very stupid to waste time like that.
It is so obviously Superman. Silly.
joestfrancois 5 months ago
@joestfrancois I actually think Goku would most likely win against current Superman.
darkilustrisimus 5 months ago
@darkilustrisimus
" I actually think Goku would most likely win against current Superman."
Your belief that Goku would win is not actualy "evidence" that he could. Besides, Superman is always Superman, even as Clark Kent, he does not have to transform to be have his powers. You obviously have no understanding of Superman.
joestfrancois 5 months ago
@joestfrancois have I ever claimed that my belief is the evidence? this is not a good place for this discussion because I can't post scans to support my conclusions, and I can't write posts long enough to explain everything I'd like to explain. Also this is completely off topic.Goku has his powers without transformations, transformations just multiply his powers, SSJ 50 times, SSJ2 100 times and SSJ3 400 times.
darkilustrisimus 5 months ago
@darkilustrisimus
Doesn't matter how long of a post you write and you can provide any kind of pseudo-science that you want, the truth is you had decided Goku was better than Superman, not based on fact or evidence but because you wanted him to be. One day perhaps you will see the error of your ways. Almost 300 million americans know the truth, your feelings toward america are keeping you from true knowledge. I feel sorry for you.
joestfrancois 5 months ago
@joestfrancois You haven't even heard my reasons, and you already think I am a fanboy...
Why would I wanted him to be the winner? I have no allusions about DBZ. Character development in DBZ in extremly shallow, plot is stupid as hell, it lacks feats, powers were poorly explained and it would be best if it ended with Frieza saga, It does however offer a medium amount of entertainment.
My feelings toward america? I like america...
darkilustrisimus 5 months ago
@darkilustrisimus
Dude, I was doing the fundie type argument against anything, you so did not get it. I never heard of Goku till you mentioned him. I like Superman, but he IS a made uo guy. Like Jesus, get it?
joestfrancois 5 months ago
@joestfrancois You would be surprised how many people actually debate this way, so yes I was fooled lol.
But at least we have proven a point, you can not belive in something and still debate about it.
darkilustrisimus 5 months ago
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@darkilustrisimus
"You would be surprised how many people actually debate this way, so yes I was fooled lol.
But at least we have proven a point, you can not belive in something and still debate about it."
Right, we have proven that fundie arguments prove nothing and they may or may not believe what they argue.
And Superman can kick Goku's ass. LOL
joestfrancois 5 months ago
this just proves how foolish seemly logical thinking can really be. Is it logical to reject the idea of all knowing creator for the idea that everything happened by chance? The whole complexity of the microscopic to the vastness of the macroscopic. Have you even stopped to consider what if I'm wrong and the Christians are right? Where will i go when i die?
TheBiblestudyman 5 months ago
I know, right? Even If God could keep it daylight in that area longer, he wouldn't be abl,e to counteract any catastrophic events that may pop up, right? No way, he'd be limited to simply controlling the source of light.....wow, this is genius...lol
ctoles 5 months ago
proof that you don't understand God... what has God to do with the Bible, huh? the Bible was written by humans... not by God. if a bunch of losers claim they understand God, will you believe them?
dude, let's put it clear; God has nothing to do with this world... nothing! this is a material world... of physical phenomena. have you ever seen God? could any human prove has seen Him? no... God won't give a dime on us, on our silly scriptures, or even on your pointless atheist argumentation...
bogdancomm 7 months ago
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@bogdancomm so why worship him, if he doesn't care about you why should you care about him.
hoboeden 6 months ago
If this really was the work of an omnipotent and omniscient God as described, I'm sure he would have had all of the scientific know-how to pull it off smoothly without the disasters that you described. Remember, he can do anything he wants. If a believer were to counter with that argument, I think you'd be hard pressed to deny it. Please don't take this to think I believe that that is how this happened but I think that there are much better arguments against the existence of this or any god.
NaturalBornSkeptic 7 months ago
Hooray for literally interpreting EVERYTHING! That sure gets people far on both sides.
Adzigari 9 months ago
@Adzigari still tho...it shows the ambiguous, and logically incoherent way in which ancient texts like the Bible were written.
JBeezie428 8 months ago
This 'contradiction' doesn't hold much weight. God never said the sun revolves around the earth. It was Joshua's point of view, and how would he know the earth revolved around the sun?
As for gravity or whatever other side effects, a christian could just say God prevented any such side effects from happening. Really, a christian would just laugh this one off.
Discern4 9 months ago in playlist Bible Bullshit
2. We live in a material world, and what makes we different from a piece of rock is that we are inteligent beings, i.e, we have the ability to create (and destroy), and with all technology we have today we can't explain how life (and beyond that - inteligence) is created, and sincerely, I don't believe that our inteligence is a combination of atoms, which make me think that there is something beyond our material world;
ricardomemoria 9 months ago
1. Although we can explain the origin of many reactions (something like cause effect), if we consider that God doesn't exist we'll have to admit that the universe was created from nothing, and the "nothing" can't create anything. So, moving out of the catholic dogmas we know today, how we can explain the Universe without God?
ricardomemoria 9 months ago
You point a lot of questions I did all my life about religion, and, based on our logic and the knowledge of the world we have today, we can easily prove that the church is wrong in so many aspects like you did. I personally think that you are right in so many points, but there are some issues I think we should ponder:
ricardomemoria 9 months ago
There is an old saying by the Jesus freaks : "God helps thou whom help themselves." --- what a crockpot of shit....
PokerOnTour 10 months ago
Gravitation is is a function of mass and distance alone.
jacobreinvented 10 months ago
But aside from that God can manipulate the universe any way he wants. he can make the sky silver, the clouds way the sun, the moon flaming, and the earth freezing. But since theirs logic behind everything that God does we have to ask ourselves, how can we possibly reason against the inventor of reason. and what make you think that we really know so much about the universe. it's been over 5,000 years and we still don't know a tenth of what their really is.
clayne819 10 months ago
When the Bible said that God stopped the Sun and the moon it is just a different way of saying that God froze the universes pattern, so the Sun stopped moving the Earth stopped moving the moon and the planets stopped moving etc., God knew what Joshua meant when he asked for the Sun and the moon to stop moving but because humans at the time did not understand the universe very well so what was written was what the people saw and not what completely took place.
clayne819 10 months ago
How does Alaska have daylight until 10:00pm sometimes? Or no sunlight at all?
coolbrit56 11 months ago
That's pretty silly. So would you say the fact that we call the sun rising and setting is attributable to the failure of science?..
Actually, call it a coincidence, but in the original language there are two different words used for the sun and moon in this verse. Why wouldn't they just say the sun and moon stood still? Why a distinction between the two?
The sun was silenced and the moon stayed, would be the literal translation.
knowwaie 11 months ago
I wouldn't call this some catastrophic "mistake" at all. Stating or implying that the sun stays still while the earth revolves around it is just as fallacious as saying that atoms have neat orbits for electrons to follow (we now know it's more like clouds with unpredictable paths). It really comes down to what your point of reference is, i.e., special relativity. Both the sun and earth move. Which one is circling which can be interpreted differently, and both ways are equally valid.
pcgamerjoe 11 months ago
The heart of the issue is that you attempt to assault God's truth. What do you do with it? You add your own commandments, "Life with unnecessary guilt" "Answer your own questions," "Better yourself" Etc. The first thing one does when they stray from God's word is that they add their own word to be taken literally. You are on shaky ground because your word lacks the authority that God's word has. It is ironic that you do not see that your word has no authority while God's word has so much
watsumo 1 year ago
@watsumo While I wait for your reply to my challenge that you "beg the question" by using your assumption that the Bible is the word of god as "proof" that the Bible is the word of god, I see that you continue to do so here.
At least you're consistent.
dcdanb 1 year ago
Whoa, please stop embarrassing yourself. You need to stop and ask the question, "How is the Bible meant to be read, or how did the author intend for his book to be read?" Use reason here friend. The author is not writing a science book. He is giving an account of events. Furthermore a science class would tell you that it is scientific to give an accounts of things from a certain vantage point. To neglect this truth of science is illogical and unreasonable on your part.
watsumo 1 year ago
I have been enjoying many atheist videos (I just came from "Why Won't God Heal Amputees") but most atheists are too deluded in their own religious hysteria to assess the validy of their own arguments.
Motion is RELATIVE, but if it wasn't SO WHAT?
This is exactly the kind of brain dead 5th grade non-issue crap that atheists AND christians are always using to try to prove something.
MrShoeguy 1 year ago
Your mistake in relating the story is making the assumption that God must abide by any physical laws which He created. If He is all-powerful, then He would not. If He created them, then He could do whatever He wishes in their regard, including suspending them, without ill-affect during or after. The problem is that you think as a human being, being one. You cannot comprehend what is beyond the limitations of human thought.
DoctorLawyerWhatever 1 year ago
literary exageration?
foxdragon84 1 year ago
Umm..... hey I have a question.. Did you name the title incorrectly? Should it be "Proof that I Don't Understand God"???
:) thx
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow Well, tell me how do you explain that inconsistency in physics with the Bible? I know the answer: Because God is imaginary and the Bible was written by primitive men. But let's see what your answer is....
mewboy5 1 year ago
I thought god invented physics so he could prevent all the catastrophic problems from stopping the earth's spin.
luno44 1 year ago
the whole thing about the sun stopping was a perspective from the writer, not God. The writer wrote that and was simply stating that the sun and move weren't moving in the sky.
and no catastrophic events happened because thats just how Great our God is. He did create this universe. Why wouldnt He be able to stop the earth from terrible things like that?
oh that's right. a narrow view that athiests have
pkmuffun 1 year ago
@pkmuffun "Why wouldnt He be able to stop the earth from terrible things like that?"
Why wouldn't he stop terrible things like tsunamis? earth quakes, tornado's, and so on? Oh right the narrow minded view of Christians. Dumb ass.
surshot56 1 year ago
@surshot56 actually those natural disasters you are thinking of are human controlled. if you really do your research, i mean, you would know EXACTLY what i am talking about
pkmuffun 1 year ago
@pkmuffun If I do my research I will find what exactly? Site some sources. So all this time when people were killed by natural disasters it was all under human control?
surshot56 1 year ago
@surshot56 let me say one thing. if you go through life only believing the facts that you CAN find, you won't go anywhere because you have so many liars trying to prove to you their lies, and you will believe them. Don't take it from me, do your research. But yes, it was human control for a while. hurricane katrina...human control absolutely.
pkmuffun 1 year ago
@pkmuffun I don't see how you can live your life without facts. We live in reality not delusion. Teaching you to accept reality is not imposition.
surshot56 1 year ago
@surshot56 you think this is the reality? all we ever see is the vibration of light. this is no reality. this is the dream. of course it feels real. because we are on the material world
pkmuffun 1 year ago
@pkmuffun Let no one outside of youtube hear you speak like this. Promise me this.
surshot56 1 year ago
@surshot56 surshot...we are puppets here. this isnt reality. but hey, dont take it from me. live the way you want to live now and find out sooner or later that everything you do is as a puppet
pkmuffun 1 year ago
Every morning we have sun rise and ever evening we have sunset. Just because we use older language for something does not make us ignorant does it? Have you thought of a better name for a sun rise? Your understanding of the Bible is pretty weak. You tell people to think for themselves but you don't see the gaping holes in your own ideas. Just because your youtube name is finallyfreefromfaith does not mean you are not depending heavily on faith to justify your new atheist life style.
cheesdog 1 year ago
I do thing the bible was inspired by God but I don't think its perfect. Just because to you that is some sort of proof doesn't prove anything. You are assuming (and wrongly) that when God inspired people to write down things that happened that he told them exactly how they were done. This is certainly not true. To the author of Joshua, it would have looked like the sun "stopped moving" even though it was the earth that stopped spinning.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
I would LOVE to hear a Christian try to explain their way out of this one.
SubconsciousGatherer 1 year ago
It wasn't only inspired by an agenda... it could have also been inspired by hallucinogenic plants and paranoid schizophrenia.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
I'm not too sold on this "mistake." It does appear that Joshua believes the earth to be the center of the universe. I don't think, however, you can infer that God holds the same viewpoint. That could simply be the way Joshua saw things.
If you believe that God created the universe, I see no problem in believing that he can stop the sun and moon.
MrLavalamp100 1 year ago
Don't waste your time trying to disprove religion, they are so brainwashed they will just interpret the bible however they want.
CoozyMcMillan 1 year ago 7
@CoozyMcMillan Funny how that statement works both ways
MrLavalamp100 1 year ago
@MrLavalamp100 I wasn't told there was no god as I grew up, and I wasn't told there was. I figured it out for myself. Let me guess, you were raised being told religion was true your whole life? That's the only way you could believe something so crazy, if you were brainwashed your whole life or you are just a hugely wishful thinker and an ignorant person.
CoozyMcMillan 1 year ago
@CoozyMcMillan I actually wasn't taught about religion (Christianity specifically) until I got to my junior year of high school. What you see as crazy makes sense to me. Is it wishful thinking or ignorance for me to see the evil nature within myself? Sure, I'm not a murderer or thief, but I am very selfish and proud. I don't know, I think the Bible has shown me who I really am.
MrLavalamp100 1 year ago
@CoozyMcMillan Good one! GOoD ONE!!!
themultiplayer1 1 year ago
You forget the fact god can do anything. So yes he could stop the earths rotation and still keep everything intact on earth.
xxfisher321xx 1 year ago
It's not that difficult to deconstruct this. The Bible says that the sun and the moon stopped, it doesn't get scientific. The sun runs a daily course across the sky, and on this particular day God (obviously stopped the earth's rotation) effectively stopping the sun in the sky. This is quite a nit picky 'discrepancy'. Even still, I won't go into the equations and formulas that suggest, given the nature of space, for all we know it is geocentric. Also, it references an extra biblical source.
jckcism 1 year ago
@jckcism If the Earth suddenly stopped rotating everything on it would be thrown forward at close to a 1000 mph? That would include not only all the lose objects, but the water. Then when God started the rotation up again the acceleration would throw everything in the other direction at the same speed. Cataclysmic indeed.
ebullock43 1 year ago
@ebullock43 If you allow the possibility of God stopping the earth's rotation, then surely He can also control the physics of such a grand action.
jckcism 1 year ago
@jckcism I don't allow that possibility. These so-called miracles never happen today. Either God performed miracles in ancient times, but doesn't do it anymore, or ancient people just made up stories of miracles. I think the latter is far more likely.
ebullock43 1 year ago
@ebullock43 I'm afraid your wrong my friend.. My moms Nephew had 3 massive strokes and was put into a coma. The doctors said he wouldn't make it and only a miracle could save him. And oddly enough, all of our prayers came through and now he is awake going through rehab. I would say that's a miracle.
xxfisher321xx 1 year ago
@xxfisher321xx I'm glad your cousin survived and is doing better.
I wouldn't call his recovery a miracle. Perhaps the doctor was overly pessimistic, or just mistaken in how bad the strokes were. Some people come out of comas without anyone praying for them. I recently lost an aunt to stroke and she had many friends and relatives praying for her. Either way, coming out of coma is not on the same par as stopping the earth's rotation, or parting a sea. It doesn't defy the laws of nature.
ebullock43 1 year ago
@ebullock43 Its like this, if you dont take the time to think about your beliefs or question them then youre bound to be ignorant til then I mean religion is a big ass industry designed to keep stupid people ignorant hoping for afterlife in heaven when I know exactly where you go when you die... Humans are not special, when we die we dont exist anymore and all the physical laws and time dont exist to us neither so if theres really a such thing as reincarnation then a million years might be...
JuggB 1 year ago
@JuggB only a few seconds to us. You know why they say sleep is the cousin of death because sleep is almost just like death cept if you wake up then you still exist.
JuggB 1 year ago
Here is an explanation for that.
He either made the same light shine on earth for 24 hours (Physically plausible) , he made mankind speed up so fast to not notice it , he took them to an alternate earth or virtual Earth where the sun and moon are stopped , or he is just so almighty that he can literally stop the sun and moon for a day and prevent bad things from happening to the Earth.
alexross8 1 year ago
BTW, if sun had once been stopped in its course, i guess we'd some records from other civilisations... Ah, those christians, no wonder they are such a source of profit for charlatans...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
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I BELIEVE WITH MY HEART that atheist are just confused people running around in circles searching for more proofs that God doesn't exist. Some may be a rebel because of the bad circumstances but i believe that in every atheist's heart, THERE IS A GOD that they've been trying to avoid. Guess what? God loves you, no matter what you say. COME BACK to the one who created you. Step out from darkness, WALK IN LIGHT. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL! :-)
earbrac 1 year ago
Had the earth stopped rotating, like the "good" book says, all humans wold be dead -- crushed by the immense --increased- gravitational pull
braydenbeautiful 2 years ago
Why would you even contemplate that a creator would be bound by his/her own material laws?
It's like using "scientific observation" to theorize that a shop is only open between 9am and 6pm and then suddenly the manager comes and opens it at 1am (because he is not bound by the observed theoretical law).
hdregmore 2 years ago
LOL
Whatever helps you get through the night, honey.
I won't bother if you're this brainwashed.
braydenbeautiful 2 years ago
dwr. Try again
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore Alright
You believe everything in the bible happened, so I would like for you to prove to me that this event not only happened, but that god intervened.
Don't say "you could question any even in history, like napoleon at waterloo as you weren't there"...See, the difference is, the laws of nature and physics were not suspended for napoleon at waterloo.
braydenbeautiful 2 years ago
@braydenbeautiful - I do not know if it happened or not, and I do not care if it did or didn't. The Bible is a very old scripture containing parables and questionable events.
My question to you was based on logic. Having assumed that there is a universal creator (which you have done in this video) how could that creator be subsequently restricted by the very material laws that have been put in place. Do you understand the question? It is not a religious issue, it's one of
correct reasoning.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore
Alright.
Regrettably for you, it's quite easy to disregard the grammar of the question above.
"Having ASSUMED that there is a universal creator (which you have done in this video)*.."
1) This is NOT my video.
2) Why would anyone assume there is a universal creator?
The whole query is predicated on an unfounded assumption.
Prove your assumption before predicating an argument on it.
You're only opening yourself up to ridicule otherwise.
Poor reasoning subsequently followed. Tough.
braydenbeautiful 2 years ago
@braydenbeautiful - Okay
1) You are defending the reasoning in the video, so it is your view.
2) It is the video that makes the assumption of a creator and then attempts to disprove it (otherwise there would be no argument).
3) Prove your assumption before trying to dispel it, otherwise you just look sillier than the proponents. If you theoretically accept a creator and then attempt to ridicule the suggestion, you must accept it's possible existence.
hdregmore 2 years ago
4) Since you have made the assumption, I am asking you about the reasoning you use to refute it's consequences in material law.
Extremely poor and ineffectual reasoning by you followed. Even tougher.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore I agree, you can't expect an irrational being being bound by logic. Hadn't it been easier though to just help kill the enemies with a bolt of lightning or something than to mess with celestial bodies?
TheSnorb 2 years ago
@TheSnorb - Not sure what you meant by "an irrational being being bound by logic". I have no idea if it happened, why or how it could have been done easier. My point is one of logic. If you assume it happened then you must assume the whole scenario, including the inability of a creator to be restricted by their own laws.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore By irrational I meant fictional, made-up, only limited by the imagination of its author. You could just as well argue over the things Superman does. The storyteller just assumed god stopped the sun and that tells us the bible is just fiction and not dicated by a god, who should have known better.
TheSnorb 1 year ago
@TheSnorb - Religion is fact, this much is clear: From the beginning of recorded history, and from artifacts before that time, religion has been a part of every civilization (in one form or the other). This is evidence of an inherent human understanding of the concept. I have already explained the bad logic of the "sun" event used by atheists.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore We can observe a shop manager opening his store at 1 a.m. I have not observed any miracles in my lifetime. All the witnesses of God's miracles are from before the age of enlightenment.
ebullock43 1 year ago
@ebullock43 There have been many miracles since. That is a reason for beatification. In any case that is not a valid argument for failure of the analogy. Anyway the doors may open automatically by timer thereby enhancing my point.
All pay homage to the magic doors.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore There are many claims of miracles, but I don't know of any that have been scientifically verified. I don't believe miracles occurred in the past or today, or ever. But maybe someday I will be proven wrong. Until then I will be a skeptic.
ebullock43 1 year ago
@ebullock43 Being skeptical is a healthy scientific attitude. The miracles of the church are accepted because there is no other explanation for the event. However I think you are right in saying they are investigated only by the church.
hdregmore 1 year ago
hey just want to say you are one of the few people who speaks clearly and to the point with no BS...love your videos!
edwardtang1977 2 years ago
psalms 53 "only foolish people say's that there's no god"
azzkhicker 2 years ago
See, that is a pretty easy to say in a book. There is however no evidence that such a statement is true. The more educated, the smarter and more capable you are of critical thinking, the less religious everyone becomes.
The national academy of science is the most productive group in the US, almost all of them reject the concept of God
Korkzor 2 years ago
psalms 53 "only foolish people say's that there's no god"
azzkhicker 2 years ago
Korkzor said "The national academy of science is the most productive group in the US, almost all of them reject the concept of God"
I have never heard such an unqualified statement in my life. Do you have the figures to show that. Some scientists are atheistic, that is until they get old or have something happen in their life they cannot explain. You know the old saying "there are no atheists in fox holes".
hdregmore 2 years ago
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AlanIsHarmony 2 years ago
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@hdregmore - "Some scientists are atheistic, that is until they get old or have something happen in their life they cannot explain."
I have never heard such an unqualified statement in my life. Do you have the figures to show that?
AlanIsHarmony 2 years ago
@AlanIsHarmony
You are the one who started with the spurious assumptions. I tell you what, you show me the data about the the national academy of science and I'll show you the census reports detailing grouped professionals and the religions they belong to.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore - No I didn't start with anyspurious assumptions. You pointed out someone else making what you thought were spurious assumptions and I pointed it out.
Get your facts and logins right.
You said: "Some scientists are atheistic, that is until they get old or have something happen in their life they cannot explain."
Show me the statistics for that, not for the religions of professionals.
Substantiate your claim.
AlanIsHarmony 2 years ago
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@AlanIsHarmony
It took you a while to try and wriggle out of that one (unsuccessfully). You defended @Korkzor
by sarcastically replying to me with @hdregmore - "Some scientists are atheistic...." I have never heard such an unqualified statement in my life. Do you have the figures to show that?
You entered the argument, now put up. YOU show the figures for the original statement. Hiding and deleting posts won't save you either.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore - Has it not occurred to you that the reason it takes a long time to reply is because I'm in the UK and you're on Convict Island?
I only saw this reply because I happened to look in, as it's been marked as spam. Is that my fault, too?
I'm not wriggling out of anything. I've no reason to justify what he said. I've no information for or against his claim.
I'm remarking that your claim is as unjustified as his.
The reason for the deletion was that it didn't address you.
AlanIsHarmony 2 years ago
@hdregmore - You religious nut-jobs are all the same.
AlanIsHarmony 2 years ago
@AlanIsHarmony - dwr.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@AlanIsHarmony
Another wonderful unqualified scientific statement.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore - That's my experience. You only serve to reinforce this experience.
AlanIsHarmony 2 years ago
@AlanIsHarmony - Have a read of the "basic assumptions of science " which is the framework for your knowledge. Points 1 and 2 are pretty shaky, and that's what it's all built on. Assumptions. You serve to reinforce this type of egotistical thinking.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore - There's nothing egotistical about believing we can learn more about nature by observing and testing.
If science was ever based on superstition, it would stop being science because every other superstition and personal belief in the non-existent would have to be entertained, regardless of how bizarre it may be.
All anyone wants is the smallest genuine evidence of a God and (unsurprisingly) none has been forthcoming.
And even then, why does it have to be a Christian God?
AlanIsHarmony 2 years ago
@AlanIsHarmony
1) Yes it is egotistical if you call science only material observation and build it on the assumptions created 400 years ago.
2) I have not mentioned anything about superstitions and don't know why you refer to it.
3) Regarding no evidence refer to my point 1
4) I have not said that faiths other than Christianity should be discounted.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore -
1) It's not built purely on material observation. Otherwise we couldn't deal with air. Such an idea is pure positivism, which doesn't work, scientifically.
2) Religion = superstition. No more.
3) How can anyone carry out an objective assessment on something for which there's no evidence? At what point do you stop making things up? How about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and unicorns?
AlanIsHarmony 2 years ago
@AlanIsHarmony
1) Get your facts correct. According to modern science air is made up of material particles.
2) Positivism and Antipositivism is about social research, so I don't know why you would mention it. Desperate googling perhaps.
3) Please refer to William A Tiller who is professor emeritus of Materials Science and Engineering at Stanford University. He has conducted experiments proving factors influencing matter outside the law of physics. Please at least try and keep up.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@hdregmore - Positivism - "the form of empiricism that bases all knowledge on perceptual experience (not on intuition or revelation)"
Tiller is a crank (much like you).
Now, fuck off, shackle-dragger. Yes?
AlanIsHarmony 2 years ago
@AlanIsHarmony
1) Positivism - A doctrine contending that sense perceptions are the only admissible basis of human knowledge, beginning with mathematics and culminating in sociology.
2) Since when is a professor emeritus of Stanford a crank?
3) You fuck off you empty minded cuntox peckerwood. Yes you.
hdregmore 2 years ago
@AlanIsHarmony - Since my abusive post was deleted and not yours and in the interest of fairness, I'll post it again -
Positivism - A philosophy which states that the only authentic knowledge is scientific knowledge, different to empiricism and central to the foundation of academic sociology
Now you fuck off you smelly pommie. Yes?
hdregmore 2 years ago
@AlanIsHarmony - What nonsense, does atheism mean you have to have a frontal lobotomy where facts are concerned?
hdregmore 2 years ago
From the book of Nate2203 verse 1 "The fool quotes the Bible while trying to prove god"
Nate2203 2 years ago
not only unnecessary guilt, ARTIFICIAL guilt!
sevenahm 2 years ago
Bronze Age.
spadaydaga 2 years ago
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Wow, this fat basterd doent know what he is talking about. It makes me laugh to see such a lost person who puts thought above reality. God is able to do anything my freind, he created the planet, the people, the stars and sky, so how come he cant make the moon and sun stay still.
lonestander 2 years ago
You are truly ridiculous.
Stoping Earth's rotation would have send your little tribe to fly at mach3 to crash into the mountains. Oceans would have rise (continuing to move arond the globe) so much that even the hymalaya would have been wet.
And btw, how can your god have «ennemies» on Earth that need to be fought?
How could a smal tribue threaten him?
Why would he care about them or send his sheeps to die fighting them when he could have crush them at will? (by stoping Earth's motion...)
jimalbi 2 years ago
PROOF ? - Where is there any proof ?
Quoting OR mis-quoting the bible is proof of nothing ? It's expounding a mythology of faith .... 'Till somebody shows me a nut & bolt from a UFO , they're in the same category ....
curiousgeorge1940 2 years ago
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Proof that GOD exists and the Quran is the last testament of GOD.
Quran [23:13] Subsequently, we reproduced him from a tiny drop, that is placed into a well protected repository.
[23:14] Then we developed the drop into a hanging (embryo), then developed the hanging (embryo) into a bite-size (fetus), then created the bite-size (fetus) into bones, then covered the bones with flesh. We thus produce a new creature. Most blessed is GOD, the best Creator.
mcdus78 2 years ago
I read a book like that one day. I believed it untill they told me I was making a fool of me.
It was called Peter Pan...
jimalbi 2 years ago
oh yer i read that somwhere...
I think it was in the works of hippocrates and galens, both who wrote largely identical statements on the subject of embryology and sperm production.
So how is it proof of god, when the information existed in print 1000 years before mohammed was even born?
Surely he could learn this from a doctor?
Im positive one of his friends was a doctor, and this friend of his learnt this information as standard education at the Gundeshupar medical school in india.
digitised 2 years ago
why don't people understand what agnostic means? You're agnostic, that's nice, agnostic what? Are you an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist? Agnostic alone is not an option.
TheK00laid47 2 years ago
I'm a non-dogmatic atheist.
That mean that even if everytime science makes religion recedes and make them look dumb, I still can't disprove the existance of their imaginary friend.
So honestly speaking, it makes me an agnostic strongly close to atheism.
jimalbi 2 years ago
For the record, being agnostic doesn't mean you cannot make up your mind. It means that you, like Einstein, Mark Twain, etc. realize that you cannot KNOW whether God exists or not. We can think one way or another, but the fact is that there is no fact on whether God exists or not. He cannot be proven, nor disproven. That is what being an agnostic means. It doesn't mean that you can't make up your mind, it means you are intelligent enough to know that you cannot, and will not ever be able to know
sareffertt 2 years ago 2
that was more a response to some of the text comments already on here - not to the video itself.
sareffertt 2 years ago
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also, god doesnt interject and erase/fix something in the bible. he is all knowing. he knew joshua would write it the only way he knew how, and he also knew that true believers are smart enough to understand that joshua was asking god to stop something that he knew very little about (the sun). god knew we would be able to understand what joshua was saying. joshua asked for the sun to stop, its the only way he knew how to.
truegirl2anna 2 years ago
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the bible is describing what is happening, thats all. youre taking it out of context. atheists always manipulate things like this and dont understand properly. joshua asked the question the only way he knew how. obviously they didnt know about gravity back then, so he simply asked for the sun to stop moving so the war could continue.
the only word humans can understand that describes god power is "infinite." we are small creatures to god, and he has more power than we could ever imagine.
truegirl2anna 2 years ago
its good that your agnostic, now go one step further, fall off the fence. being a agnostic means you cant make up your mind. now for the record, bashing people when then make dumb ass comments like"god can stop the world and the sun from moving" deserves to be bashed! one more for the record, in my first comment to whoever it was i never spelled chris wrong it was just the wrong version version of the name. soooooooo excussssssssse me. sorry i called you a christian
wanafly12 2 years ago
you are something else. your going to bash me over spelling of a god damn name? get a fucking life you low life freak. go read the bible or do whatever it is you do and stay out of the atheist sites if you dont apove of them and stop trying to pass on your fairytales on to others.
wanafly12 2 years ago
as far as i can see i only made 2 comments to this video. none were about attacting someones spelling. my spelling is not that great, this is true. but for the fuckin record chriss can be spelled either way. now go bother someone that is at the same level as you, like maybe a , i dont know, hmmmmm a SLUG
wanafly12 2 years ago
To me, the people back then are the ones who didnt understand the universe. Joshua asked God to stop the sun, because thats how HE thought it worked. Joshua didnt ask God, "hey, explain the universe to me when you stop the sun." God just did what was asked, and to the people it looked like the sun stopped.
nallieisbamboozled 2 years ago
(continued)....Which it technically wouldnt have, but why would God have a need to say "hey guys, just so you know the sun isnt just chillin there.. we're actually not rotating around the sun anymore. Well anyways ya go ahead and get back to the war."
And about gravity, God can do all things, so who is to say he can't keep gravity in existance when he "stopped the sun?"
Of course, I don't expect you to believe that, its just my opinion on the matter...
nallieisbamboozled 2 years ago
according to your comment, you are one brain dead person. i feel sorry for you. you need help
wanafly12 2 years ago
i here chris angel is suppose to do the same thing in his next vegas show. get real you idiot. oh ya, learn to spell
wanafly12 2 years ago
If he "stopped" time he would stop all movement, light, thought everything that takes time would cease to be or would not be changeable.
michalchik 2 years ago
To expand on Gorilla, he is right the effect of the earth's rotation on apparent gravity is small, but stopping the earth involves decelerating from over 1000 mph to zero. The amount of heat and force this would generate would destroy the surface of the earth. Further an earth that did not rotate where the sun shown for 24 or 48 hours straight would get VERY hot and probably result in some huge storms from all the hot air rising,
michalchik 2 years ago
i'm totally fine with people believing in any religion, even scientology. i really hope that whatever religion or belief anyone have faith with can led them to good,kind and most importantly, happiness. but,honestly i think christianity isn't one of them. maybe sometime,but most of the time don't help the majority. i'm still studying buddhism to see if there's really can be a religion built on fact and encourage real peace behavoir.
jojoinhere 2 years ago
Note: The earths rotation has no effect on it's gravity whatsoever. However, the earth's rotation does govern it's magnetic field, which, if stopped, WOULD have catastrophic effects.
Gorilla199abuser 2 years ago
Such as: The release of energy would pretty much liquify the entire crust.
Bookwyrm86 2 years ago
I'm certain that we could get in all sorts of semantic games over this, but the earths rotation does cause a centrifugal force and so the gravity at the equator is slightly less than at the pole ( very slightly, measured in promilles). But it acts on all the rock, so when suddenly stopped this would create an inward motion and cause massive havoc. Then again, if you would believe in hocus pocus in the first place, this could again be countered by that magic friend I guess.
HansTheAtheist 2 years ago
Do you realise that you are judging? Which is sinning.
Matthew 5:22 "...and he who calls another a fool shall be in danger of hellfire..."
Enjoy your hellfire, nVei06.
Gorilla199abuser 2 years ago
This video series is cool.
mrselfrog 2 years ago
God gets it wrong on page one..
The moon is a light?
sscoltock 2 years ago 3
Lol meng, you have to make excuses for god then he probably isn't god. don't worry all christians do this about most parts of the bible. I can't believe anyone still believes in these things
jorsher123 2 years ago 5
@fr3nzylogic - right. Gravity relates to the masses of two objects and the distance of their centers of mass. Cavendish explained this pretty well. You know, when he defined the gravitational constant.
@Finally free from faith - none the less, stopping the earth's rotation would be catastrophic. The sudden stop in angular momentum would certainly cause problems in the Earth's gyroscopic forces, which help maintain the axis. But does this point really need defending?
jasontkennedy 2 years ago
@FinallyFreeFromFaith
I haven't read all of the comments to check if this was pointed out, but Earth's rotation does not have a _major_ effect on gravity. Gravity comes as a consequence of a body's mass, the larger the mass, the stronger the gravitational force. The rotation has rather a subtle effect in means of a centrifugal force, which counters the force of gravity only just slightly - you don't experience much of a change at the poles of Earth's axis of revolution. Fix please ;-)
fr3nzylogic 2 years ago
Yes, well said.
falkensir 2 years ago
Sorry there are different definitions of heart, i meant the innermost character or inclinations of a person.
cyraqs 2 years ago
"Sorry there are different definitions of heart, i meant the innermost character or inclinations of a person. "
How do you explain the changes in personality that occur in people after they suffer brain damage? Their whole personality can flip upside-down. What's going on there, cyraqs?
Skindoggiedog 2 years ago
I'm not sure... what would you say?
cyraqs 2 years ago
To be honest, I don't have an answer. I don't like the idea that all we are is the grey matter inside our skulls, but there's a heck of a lot of evidence that points to just that.
Skindoggiedog 2 years ago
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God cares about your heart a lot more than your brain, you are good at the brain part, but it dies with your body.
cyraqs 2 years ago
Lets call a spade a spade. Heart dies, or rather stops beating with the death of nervous system. The innermost inclinations of a person, as you've named, are in fact the various systems at work, which produce your consciousness. And this consciousness is very physical at best. You need no more than a few cans of beer to carry out a simple experiment. Our moral sense needn't be of any supernatural origin. Not any other sense for the matter. Do you consider this possibility?
fr3nzylogic 2 years ago