0:56 "Hitman has had more singles competition experience than Shawn Michaels I'm sure". Just a little bit Bret Hart had been in wrestling close to 15 years back in 1990; Shawn Michaels had only been wrestling around 5 years.
@largest85 bret. the rockers were the faces and the foundation was the heels. but at this point, bret's popularity was really sky rocketting and was becoming a fan favourite, even though technically, on paper, he was still a heel
@kadell5 Back then Bret didn't do the sharpshooter. Shawn didn't do sweet chin music as his finisher either. Neither of them had a finisher yet which is probably why it was a double dq. Oh and tap outs didn't exist back then either. You had to verbally say that you quit or a manager had to throw in a towel.
its funny how back in those days alot of future world champs and hall of famers were in tag teams. I LOVED TAG TEAM WRESLTING, there were so many great teams. LOD, Hart Foundation. the rockers, demoltion, natural disasters, nasty boys, fabolous rogeous, the qubeccers, the steiners, the brainbusters, the bushwackers, orient express, rhythm and blues, the list goes on and on. I MISS TAG TEAM WRESTLING today its a joke and it stinks, some of the best feuds and matchers were from tag teams.
Agree that Dolph Ziggler would sleeper hold Shawn Michaels in his Rockers look? He would have made him unconsious on WWF Wrestling Challenge on KTTV Fox 11 in Los Angeles, California if you look back in time.
The subtleties in older WWF matches are great, down to the stances of both men; the technician with his guarded hunch and the cocky party boy standing straight. The rookies coming up now could learn so much from watching tapes of the 80s and early 90s.
These 2 are in a league of their own ,,,,,and despite their differences,,, without each other they may have never have been as big and respected as they became. it would have been cool if they inducted each other in the hall of fame,
if there is a time machine and u put john cena shameus randy orton edge or any other good wrestler right now and send them in brets time when he was young no chance in hell that they can win bret one sharpshooter and they would submit like baby crying to bret hart.
Vince was in the back jerking off to the dream of these 2 guys making him a boat load of money. It seems obvious now, but everyone must have seen that these guys were going to be stars
Anyone else notice Shawn lost 1 1/2 - 2 inches from his back surgeries? Not being a prick I love his work. But just watching these earlier matches he was much taller...
@Darkyodajedi He was taller than the hitman who wasnt even 6ft. Bret was only 5'10. He might have gotten shorter but later on in his career he fought much taller wrestlers ie the undertaker, sid, diesel who were all 6'10 to 7ft tall.
@jfearless1 Bret was a bit lighter around this time of his career as well. In here he must have been around 210-215 however around 1995 and up to his time in WCW he was more around 220-230.
@biggie7385 LOL. What fuck is a "Solo WWF rookie" ? XD Michaels began his career as a singles wrestler, and wrestled countless singles matches while a Rocker. You're dead in the water. The glaring obvious is screaming right in your face, but continue to stick your fingers in your ears, drive your agenda, and say "la la la".
Survivor Series '92, Wrestlemania 12, Survivor Series '97. Biggest buy rate: Survivor Series '92. Winner of WWF Championship main event: Bret Hart.
@plasteg Shawn Michaels won all of the big matches between him and Bret Hart. It was his first year on his own as HBK. Was he HBK in those single matches, I don't think so? That match wasn't big so get over it. Good Afternoon.
@biggie7385 "Biggest buy rate: Survivor Series '92. Winner of WWF Championship main event: Bret Hart."
headshot. your arguments are just subjective opinion (shawn wasnt in his prime, it wasnt "big" etc) while this is inarguable fact. seems clear to me that when you are booked to wrestle for the wwe title at one of the big four youve hit your prime. but the only truly tangible evidence of how "big" something in wrestling is are the box office buys, which plasteg used to deliver the deathblow.
@RobertChristgau it wasnt even a year after he went solo from marty and became HBK.Srry but you dont hit your peak in less than a year after you quit being mostly in tag team matches.I dont care if wrestle mania sold 0 ppv tv sales and 0 seats in the arena that main event would still be bigger than a summerslam main event. when someone says shawn vs bret you think survivor series and wrestlemania not their cage match or IC title ladder match or some wwf title match that orig wasnt the main event
@biggie7385 the figures support 92 as the biggest event and most watched of their matches. your claim about shawn not being at his peak is just opinion, and an opinion i disagree with. btw, multiple people have become world champs in the first year of their career, if you knew anything about wrestling youd know this. anyway, "peak" and "when someone says" are not quantifiable, only the box office figure of how many people were watching a live event is. youve been schooled, learn to take a loss.
@RobertChristgau wm12 iron man match was voted greatest match of wrestle mania EVER by fans and WRESTLERS, is that quantifiable? That obviously included hogan vs warrior. Just my opinion? "Michaels was still coming into his own as a singles competitor.." That last line is a quote from wwe website;if u dont believe, look it up /shows/survivorseries/history/1992/mainevent.That doesnt sound like "peak" to me.So its not my opinion its WWE opinion. learn to accept other's views. checkmate my friend
@biggie7385 retrospective opinion doesnt mean something was big. shawshank was a flop domestically, much like wm flopped. its regarded as a classic today, but it wasnt a big film. your quote from wwe is another retrospective opinion from one writer in a barren article, nothing definitive. its easy to say "he wasn't going to win" in retrospect. i again reference the box office figure for the first match which dwarves the other two. checkmate nothing: where is your real, hard tangible evidence?
@RobertChristgau lol so some guy in his basement is just writing his opinion on wwe.com to recap matches. Give me a break the company put's facts on their website and they know far more about themselves than we know about them.
Hard Tangible Evidence:
'92 survivor series lowest rated ppv of the year
wm12 highest rated ppv of the year
'97 survivor series highest rated ppv of the year '92 survivor series was the least watched ppv show of that year but its their best match right? look it up
@biggie7385 opinion cant be fact you moron. the retrospective opinion of a writer, wwe staff or not, is exactly that. anyway, that was totally irrelevant from the start and had nothing to do with how big it was at the box office. omg haha, did you read what you said!? yes, as i said earlier, ss92 had the biggest buy rate and was the most watched of their matches. trying to word it so it looks like wm12 and ss97 had bigger buy rates is lame doesnt detract from the fact that ss92 was the biggest.
@RobertChristgau your probably one of those oblivious people that says gas prices in the 1990's were better than the prices in the 2000's solely on the avg prices. Completely neglecting the depreciation of the dollar or the average income of families for those respective years. if you want to bring up ppv sales then ill bring up ticket sales. ss'92 was last in ticket sales compared to '96wm and '97 ss. its laughable that you think some '92 fight was bigger that bret hart's final WWF fight.
@biggie7385 wandering steadily into non-sequiturville now, i see. ticket sales are totally irrelevant to the issue, as venues, of varying capacities, are determined months, and even years, in advance. and tickets go on sale long before the card is finalized. you know all this, and you know why the ticket angle doesnt work for you. the 97 match is perhaps more talked about today, but the box office figure for survivor series 92 was bigger. again, box office is the only quantifiable factor here.
@RobertChristgau I would hardly say it "dwarves" wm 12. your talking a 1.2 vs 1.4 buyrate. Actually the wm12 venue had smaller capacities(than '92 SS) across the board, so that venue size argument is mute. Tickets goes on sell before the card is finalized true but, didn't the '92 SS PPV event go on sale before the main event was changed? Do you think some people bought the event looking to see the Ultimate Warrior? Like I said before you cant compare 2 different buyrates 4-5 years apart.
97 is only so famous because of the Screwjob. That's it. It wasn't the 'peak' of anything, and the main draw of the match at the time was the fact that it was set to Bret's last match.
And, um, trusting the wwe website on this matter is not a very smart move, given that Vince McMahon has gone so far to erase the truth of the Screwjob and rewrite the script of the Micheals/Hart feud that he banned Shawn from even saying Bret's name in his Hall of Fame induction speech.
@Lodatzor really? ok everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but IMO the 97 match was famous because of hbk & hitmans wrestling/real life history and the circumstances surrounding the match; circumstances meaning it was hitmans last wwf match, it was in brets own backyard, and the wwf title was on the line. So to me it wasnt solely the screwjob that made it famous, but when it happened(brets last match), who it happened with(hbk),and most importantly where(Canada).
@Lodatzor As for the website, you're going to have to refresh my memory; i'm not going to search through months of comments. If it was the peak comment then that was just my opinion that happened to be on the website and that most ppl that I know believe. I think the peak of HBK's career was like mid to late 95 around when he had that SS ladder match until when he lost to austin in wm14. Its not a fact, just a opinion that serveral people share. Sorry? Why apologize for a lively debate?
@plasteg he was a few inches away from being superkicked to hell; id hardly call that ownage. I said a big match. wrestling for the WWF title in your first year as a singles performer is hardly a big match(the champ almost always wins). Shawn hadn't proved anything then he was on the intercontinental stage then. find me something when they were both in their prime at the top of the company so to speak.i dont think Micheals ever lost big when they both were at their peak, if I remember correctly
@biggie7385 Lol, running on agenda, I see. The WWF Championship match, main event of one of the biggest four pay-per-views of the year is big. The Intercontinental title was big news then: the WWF wasn't swamped by two or three world titles, like in recent years. It main-evented Summerslam '92; on Perfect's DVD, the title was described as being more or less equal to the WWF title during that era, when the likes of Perfect, Savage and Hart held it.
@plasteg yeah shawn was on the intercontinental title level his first year being solo. the intercontinental will never mean as much as the wwf title period. that wasn't originally a main event match. didnt it move to a main event after warrior wasnt able to preform? so a non main event wwf title fight tells me the belt isnt gonna change hands especially to a first year solo wrestler. As i said before find me a big match that shawn lost to bret in his prime. shawn's first year solo isnt his prime
@biggie7385 The WWF title often isn't the main event... if you know anything of wrestling, you'd know this. Are you really going to try arguing that? You have your own agenda here, nobody really gives a shit about it. Bret Hart defeated Shawn Michaels in a WWF Championship match in the main event of one of the biggest pay-per-views of the year, at a time when the WWF was far more of a mainstream concern than it was when they had their later matches. Big match, big victory for Bret.
@plasteg gotta agree 100% with plasteg. wm12 and ss97 have been more publicised in recent years but a wwf title match in the main event of one of the big 4 is "big" whether you want to admit it or not. you seem to want to push the "shawn was only ic" angle but bret was ic champ and main eventing summerslam as champion only two months prior to becoming wwe champ. wwe put shawn in the title match because they clearly thought he was up to it. all your shawn "in his prime" stuff is subjective crap
@plasteg obviously you care since you keep replying to me. let me clarify my self. when you think of shawn vs bret, the biggest matches that come to mind is survivor series and wrestlemania; If you dispute that then you have an agenda. If you wanna consider the '92 match big then fine Ill bite. so let me rephrase my self Shawn Michaels never lost his biggest match against bret hart. take your pick survivor series or wrestlemania.
@biggie7385 Lol, right answer: you admit to running with an agenda. Now you're trying to rig things. Of course, The Iron Man match and Montreal are more talked-about matches today: I'm not disputing that. But a main event pay-per-view match for the WWF Championship, back when the WWF had only four ppv's and was hot mainstream property, was big. And anyone who knows wrestling knows of Shawn and Bret's first ppv meeting for the big one.
@plasteg I have no agenda i just tell the truth. when I say except the big ones its obvious that i'm talking about the wrestle mania match and the survivor series match. you choose to include the '92 match as a big match and I don't; I just see it as the champ going against a rookie. So ill say it again hart won most of the matches except the big ones. If you disagree then fine but you're not going to change my mind.
@biggie7385 Rookie? Bwahaha! A rookie who's been a pro for over eight years, is holding the second most important title in the industry, and is competing for the WWF Championship in the main event of one of the biggest four pay-per-views of the year? Please, you're falling apart. The buy-rate for Survivor Series '92 was greater than that of Survivor Series '97, by the way: '97 may be more talked-about today due to controversy, but '92 was watched by far more people. Big match, big victory.
Amazing how much their careers paralled each other so much......started off in tag-teams, struck out on their own as mid-carders, and then ascended to the main event. Bret did so earlier than Shawn of course, him being in the business longer.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with those who think John cenacle is better than hbk, close but no cigar! John pretty much sucks! The only reason I watch or watched raw was because of Bret hart n hbk. John cena does the same boring stuff, nothing new, the same old stupid stf! He's boring now! I still like him, but his matches but me to sleep! Unless I hear that hart attack titration, my ass is staying asleep. Oh yea and hhh made it worth my while too. Cena is over rated for sure
@Niesha18C I agree, also there are no real rivalries left in WWE, they are all buddies, they all suck each other off backstage. Bret and Shawn hated each other and fought backstage, and made it seem real in the ring
I would liked to have seen some Marty - Bret singles matches. Every time the Rockheads and the Fart foundation worked together there was always a lot of Marty on Bret.
@daaraindon hahaha yeah I think that was their way of not wanting a face to lose to another face...I'm suprised they even made this match...that was so rare back then...
so im guessing this their first 1 on 1 match against each other? damn after watching this i would never thought this too would be 2 of the best in wrestling.
Proof that Bret Hart is the greatest WWE wrestler ever is the fact that he actually launches other wrestler's main event careers at Wrestlemania. Owen became a superstar after their match at WM10, HBK became the champion after this matchup, and Steve Austin became a face at Wrestlemania 13
Awe didums!!! poor little dventura2350, he's taken it all too seriously, we should tell him that wrestling is completely fake! and nothing to get so worked up about!! what a vulgar tongue you have, and you're an ugly looking dweeb, just went on your home page!! Perfect was the best you are an ass! grow up!!
This was the time when HBK was new to the the wwf. Bret had already been there some years and also was a tag team champion in Hart Foundation. Although no doubt....these two are the most exciting and talented performers ever.
Bret has a real attitude problem, he was completely outclassed in this match, i agree FLAIR is overrated....hey remember mr perfect got him out of wwf in 1993!!!! but then perfect is the best!! bret was lucky in summerslam 91 and even luckier in king of the ring!!
Yeah,ric flair is overrated.His matches against Steamboat,Sting,Bret Hart,hogan,vader,antonio inoki are jokes.
Seriously,your comments are those of a WWE mark.Yes,Flair should retire but he still remains active.But lets not say shit thats idiotic.Flair is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.
you thought that 2 guys from 2 of the most popular tag teams would become multiple time world champs, even though at this time it was mainly the power wrestlers who competed for the wwf championship? thats some damn good insight
@PunkDrummerboy86: Shawn was a great little cunt. He made all of Canada mad as hell in the late 90's better than anyone. You need the heel to make the story line work. It was just Shawn was that way in real life as well.
would be awesome, but we have to remember Bret had a stroke a few years back and the concussions that retired him in the first place. Is he really capable or at least can he safely do anything more than a squash match with Vince?
I was seven years old during this time and I remember how crazy I thought it was that between the Rockers-Hart Foundation and Warrior-Hogan feud that the WWF had GOOD GUYS FEUDING! It was completely mind-blowing back then.
Shawn Michael's character is a better gimmick. He's a better performer with the mic too. Bret Hart by his own admission in his book says he wasn't good at speaking. Wrestling wise, Bret is better. Also, I need a life!
Neidhart should have hit Michaels that would have made the double DQ make sense. As is, Jannetty hit Hart, Michaels hit Neidhart and THEN the ref rings the bell. Makes no sense.
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Bret Hart is a great Wrestler. But Shawn takes it to another level based on Intensity, PPV hype, selling, charisma wise, impact moves, and mike skills.
I've been thankful to witness watching both Bret And Shawn shine, But seriosly Shawn Michaels outshines Bret any day.
@legaspi89 when it comes to entertaining then maybe but all around wrestling skill bret outshines michaels anyday of the week. Shawn is an entertainer 1st wrestler second. Bret is a wrestler first entertainer second.
Bret is a zillion times more talented than Michaels. It's not Bret's fault that Vince decided to make Michaels his lover and give him the company after '95. Michaels SUCKS, always has, always will "Sweet Chin Music" Corny!
The ring announcer is that Lilian Garcia when she was young???
fatboy41790 1 week ago
0:56 "Hitman has had more singles competition experience than Shawn Michaels I'm sure". Just a little bit Bret Hart had been in wrestling close to 15 years back in 1990; Shawn Michaels had only been wrestling around 5 years.
mjp102 2 months ago
this was long before all that shit started. both were oblivious to each others bullshit at this point. they were fresh to each other
Deanobucko917 3 months ago
so who was heel here Bret or Shawn?
largest85 4 months ago
@largest85 bret. the rockers were the faces and the foundation was the heels. but at this point, bret's popularity was really sky rocketting and was becoming a fan favourite, even though technically, on paper, he was still a heel
Deanobucko917 3 months ago
@Deanobucko917 actually they were both babyface teams at the time , the harts turn face in1988 so this was in 1990 they were both faces
MJAY4000 2 months ago
@kadell5 Back then Bret didn't do the sharpshooter. Shawn didn't do sweet chin music as his finisher either. Neither of them had a finisher yet which is probably why it was a double dq. Oh and tap outs didn't exist back then either. You had to verbally say that you quit or a manager had to throw in a towel.
jfearless1 5 months ago
thanks for the video, 90s were like dreams.
Abbas83Zaini 5 months ago
this match is deja vu lol and i find it ironic how shawn michaels nickname switch to the heartbreak kid i guess it was destiny all along
VADY2B 5 months ago
THAT SHOULD NOT BE A DOUBLE DQ ! BRET should have won that Marty interfered first!
mustafaamin2006 5 months ago
EPIC!
Voose1992 6 months ago
I think Vince wanted to give us a taste of the late 90's . . .
bassy21 6 months ago
and so it begins...............
timothylhm 6 months ago
i wonder if this match will be in the upcoming bret hart-shawn michaels dvd that is in the works with jim ross helping the two?
thevoid99 7 months ago
its funny how back in those days alot of future world champs and hall of famers were in tag teams. I LOVED TAG TEAM WRESLTING, there were so many great teams. LOD, Hart Foundation. the rockers, demoltion, natural disasters, nasty boys, fabolous rogeous, the qubeccers, the steiners, the brainbusters, the bushwackers, orient express, rhythm and blues, the list goes on and on. I MISS TAG TEAM WRESTLING today its a joke and it stinks, some of the best feuds and matchers were from tag teams.
TombstoneInc 7 months ago 2
Hitman was diesel back in 90'.
MrSlik25 7 months ago
Agree that Dolph Ziggler would sleeper hold Shawn Michaels in his Rockers look? He would have made him unconsious on WWF Wrestling Challenge on KTTV Fox 11 in Los Angeles, California if you look back in time.
21richkid 7 months ago
@21richkid HBK would super kick Ziggler teeth down his throat and just laugh at him
glowsticksgonewild 7 months ago
Sweet dropkick 3:16.
thekhai 7 months ago
so who won???
CeeDelTV 7 months ago
@CeeDelTV double disqualification but Hitman should have won as soon as Marty hit him.
jfearless1 5 months ago
I was zero year old lol
H007H007H 7 months ago
This is wrestling these john cena fans dont know nothing about
kenrickeason 7 months ago 2
Was this match the very first time HBK faced Bret Hart one-on-one?
NJCorleone 8 months ago 2
@NJCorleone This is the first one that I remember seen.
HarveyFoFi 7 months ago
@NJCorleone yes
ckslick19 7 months ago
The subtleties in older WWF matches are great, down to the stances of both men; the technician with his guarded hunch and the cocky party boy standing straight. The rookies coming up now could learn so much from watching tapes of the 80s and early 90s.
PhysalisGundam 8 months ago
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Did these two ever have any other matches against each other?
KennethKaniffFromCT 9 months ago
These 2 are in a league of their own ,,,,,and despite their differences,,, without each other they may have never have been as big and respected as they became. it would have been cool if they inducted each other in the hall of fame,
nick0mac 9 months ago
It's Ironic because of Bret Shawn has great matches and got popular, then SCREWJOB.....lol
khichehade 9 months ago
Great match. Too bad nothing ever transpired between these two ever again...:(
jacobvanvonderen 9 months ago 17
@jacobvanvonderen Your joking right? They fought DOZENS of times more.
Travel1407 6 months ago
@Travel1407 Ok, I stand corrected -- but one thing is for sure, none of their matches were neither historic nor memorable.
jacobvanvonderen 5 months ago
@jacobvanvonderen What about the Montreal Screwjob and the 1 hour Iron man match when Shawn won his first heavyweight title?
jfearless1 5 months ago
@jacobvanvonderen What about the Montreal Screwjob and the 1 hour Iron man match when Shawn won his first heavyweight title?
jfearless1 5 months ago
@jfearless1 Huh?
jacobvanvonderen 2 months ago
@jacobvanvonderen Someone must have hacked my account. I didn't put that. Thanks for replying otherwise I would never have known. Weird.
jfearless1 2 months ago
@jacobvanvonderen hahahaha... that is a classic comment.
drvn8 6 months ago
@jacobvanvonderen
Lol, nice one
shashwatrock1979 5 months ago
Boy, alot would change in 7 years huh?
Antrizzle2009 9 months ago 2
Loved the way Neidhart gave away Bret's shades..."Here you go you little fucker" *throws it at little kids face*....priceless
GuitarxWolf 9 months ago 10
thats tony schavonie isnt it?
666rocko 10 months ago
who would have thought these two would main event a wrestlemania in 1990
WadaTrey 10 months ago
BRET IS GOD
omairiqbal889 10 months ago 2
if there is a time machine and u put john cena shameus randy orton edge or any other good wrestler right now and send them in brets time when he was young no chance in hell that they can win bret one sharpshooter and they would submit like baby crying to bret hart.
brethartforlife2010 11 months ago
Such crisp moves. There used to be a magic to wrestling that no longer exists
dimi887 11 months ago
damn history just got created haha. didn't know these two wrestled back then.
chanthavong88 1 year ago
Man ive never seen Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels soo young
But there best time was still to come between 1994 and 1996
Zappafan1980 1 year ago
Vince was in the back jerking off to the dream of these 2 guys making him a boat load of money. It seems obvious now, but everyone must have seen that these guys were going to be stars
rmathew2 1 year ago
Anyone else notice Shawn lost 1 1/2 - 2 inches from his back surgeries? Not being a prick I love his work. But just watching these earlier matches he was much taller...
Darkyodajedi 1 year ago
@Darkyodajedi He was taller than the hitman who wasnt even 6ft. Bret was only 5'10. He might have gotten shorter but later on in his career he fought much taller wrestlers ie the undertaker, sid, diesel who were all 6'10 to 7ft tall.
jfearless1 5 months ago
@jfearless1 Bret was a bit lighter around this time of his career as well. In here he must have been around 210-215 however around 1995 and up to his time in WCW he was more around 220-230.
007nites 4 months ago
solo wwf rookie. like I said before shawn won all of their big matches.
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 LOL. What fuck is a "Solo WWF rookie" ? XD Michaels began his career as a singles wrestler, and wrestled countless singles matches while a Rocker. You're dead in the water. The glaring obvious is screaming right in your face, but continue to stick your fingers in your ears, drive your agenda, and say "la la la".
Survivor Series '92, Wrestlemania 12, Survivor Series '97. Biggest buy rate: Survivor Series '92. Winner of WWF Championship main event: Bret Hart.
Goodnight.
plasteg 1 year ago
@plasteg Shawn Michaels won all of the big matches between him and Bret Hart. It was his first year on his own as HBK. Was he HBK in those single matches, I don't think so? That match wasn't big so get over it. Good Afternoon.
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 LMAO.
plasteg 1 year ago
@plasteg :D
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 "Biggest buy rate: Survivor Series '92. Winner of WWF Championship main event: Bret Hart."
headshot. your arguments are just subjective opinion (shawn wasnt in his prime, it wasnt "big" etc) while this is inarguable fact. seems clear to me that when you are booked to wrestle for the wwe title at one of the big four youve hit your prime. but the only truly tangible evidence of how "big" something in wrestling is are the box office buys, which plasteg used to deliver the deathblow.
RobertChristgau 1 year ago
@RobertChristgau it wasnt even a year after he went solo from marty and became HBK.Srry but you dont hit your peak in less than a year after you quit being mostly in tag team matches.I dont care if wrestle mania sold 0 ppv tv sales and 0 seats in the arena that main event would still be bigger than a summerslam main event. when someone says shawn vs bret you think survivor series and wrestlemania not their cage match or IC title ladder match or some wwf title match that orig wasnt the main event
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 the figures support 92 as the biggest event and most watched of their matches. your claim about shawn not being at his peak is just opinion, and an opinion i disagree with. btw, multiple people have become world champs in the first year of their career, if you knew anything about wrestling youd know this. anyway, "peak" and "when someone says" are not quantifiable, only the box office figure of how many people were watching a live event is. youve been schooled, learn to take a loss.
RobertChristgau 1 year ago
@RobertChristgau wm12 iron man match was voted greatest match of wrestle mania EVER by fans and WRESTLERS, is that quantifiable? That obviously included hogan vs warrior. Just my opinion? "Michaels was still coming into his own as a singles competitor.." That last line is a quote from wwe website;if u dont believe, look it up /shows/survivorseries/history/1992/mainevent.That doesnt sound like "peak" to me.So its not my opinion its WWE opinion. learn to accept other's views. checkmate my friend
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 retrospective opinion doesnt mean something was big. shawshank was a flop domestically, much like wm flopped. its regarded as a classic today, but it wasnt a big film. your quote from wwe is another retrospective opinion from one writer in a barren article, nothing definitive. its easy to say "he wasn't going to win" in retrospect. i again reference the box office figure for the first match which dwarves the other two. checkmate nothing: where is your real, hard tangible evidence?
RobertChristgau 1 year ago
@RobertChristgau lol so some guy in his basement is just writing his opinion on wwe.com to recap matches. Give me a break the company put's facts on their website and they know far more about themselves than we know about them.
Hard Tangible Evidence:
'92 survivor series lowest rated ppv of the year
wm12 highest rated ppv of the year
'97 survivor series highest rated ppv of the year '92 survivor series was the least watched ppv show of that year but its their best match right? look it up
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 opinion cant be fact you moron. the retrospective opinion of a writer, wwe staff or not, is exactly that. anyway, that was totally irrelevant from the start and had nothing to do with how big it was at the box office. omg haha, did you read what you said!? yes, as i said earlier, ss92 had the biggest buy rate and was the most watched of their matches. trying to word it so it looks like wm12 and ss97 had bigger buy rates is lame doesnt detract from the fact that ss92 was the biggest.
RobertChristgau 1 year ago
@RobertChristgau your probably one of those oblivious people that says gas prices in the 1990's were better than the prices in the 2000's solely on the avg prices. Completely neglecting the depreciation of the dollar or the average income of families for those respective years. if you want to bring up ppv sales then ill bring up ticket sales. ss'92 was last in ticket sales compared to '96wm and '97 ss. its laughable that you think some '92 fight was bigger that bret hart's final WWF fight.
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 wandering steadily into non-sequiturville now, i see. ticket sales are totally irrelevant to the issue, as venues, of varying capacities, are determined months, and even years, in advance. and tickets go on sale long before the card is finalized. you know all this, and you know why the ticket angle doesnt work for you. the 97 match is perhaps more talked about today, but the box office figure for survivor series 92 was bigger. again, box office is the only quantifiable factor here.
RobertChristgau 1 year ago
@RobertChristgau I would hardly say it "dwarves" wm 12. your talking a 1.2 vs 1.4 buyrate. Actually the wm12 venue had smaller capacities(than '92 SS) across the board, so that venue size argument is mute. Tickets goes on sell before the card is finalized true but, didn't the '92 SS PPV event go on sale before the main event was changed? Do you think some people bought the event looking to see the Ultimate Warrior? Like I said before you cant compare 2 different buyrates 4-5 years apart.
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 I like your last point...Good debate.
jfearless1 5 months ago
@biggie7385
97 is only so famous because of the Screwjob. That's it. It wasn't the 'peak' of anything, and the main draw of the match at the time was the fact that it was set to Bret's last match.
And, um, trusting the wwe website on this matter is not a very smart move, given that Vince McMahon has gone so far to erase the truth of the Screwjob and rewrite the script of the Micheals/Hart feud that he banned Shawn from even saying Bret's name in his Hall of Fame induction speech.
Sorry.
Lodatzor 4 months ago
@Lodatzor really? ok everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but IMO the 97 match was famous because of hbk & hitmans wrestling/real life history and the circumstances surrounding the match; circumstances meaning it was hitmans last wwf match, it was in brets own backyard, and the wwf title was on the line. So to me it wasnt solely the screwjob that made it famous, but when it happened(brets last match), who it happened with(hbk),and most importantly where(Canada).
biggie7385 4 months ago
@Lodatzor As for the website, you're going to have to refresh my memory; i'm not going to search through months of comments. If it was the peak comment then that was just my opinion that happened to be on the website and that most ppl that I know believe. I think the peak of HBK's career was like mid to late 95 around when he had that SS ladder match until when he lost to austin in wm14. Its not a fact, just a opinion that serveral people share. Sorry? Why apologize for a lively debate?
biggie7385 4 months ago
bret was hotter than shawn
clara9300 1 year ago
hitman really won just like every match they ever had.
Alhambrattp 1 year ago
@Alhambrattp except the big ones lol
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 Bret owned Shawn in their WWF Championship match at Survivor Series 1992, if I remember correctly.
plasteg 1 year ago
@plasteg he was a few inches away from being superkicked to hell; id hardly call that ownage. I said a big match. wrestling for the WWF title in your first year as a singles performer is hardly a big match(the champ almost always wins). Shawn hadn't proved anything then he was on the intercontinental stage then. find me something when they were both in their prime at the top of the company so to speak.i dont think Micheals ever lost big when they both were at their peak, if I remember correctly
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 Lol, running on agenda, I see. The WWF Championship match, main event of one of the biggest four pay-per-views of the year is big. The Intercontinental title was big news then: the WWF wasn't swamped by two or three world titles, like in recent years. It main-evented Summerslam '92; on Perfect's DVD, the title was described as being more or less equal to the WWF title during that era, when the likes of Perfect, Savage and Hart held it.
So, yeah, Bret beat Shawn in a "big" match.
plasteg 1 year ago
@plasteg yeah shawn was on the intercontinental title level his first year being solo. the intercontinental will never mean as much as the wwf title period. that wasn't originally a main event match. didnt it move to a main event after warrior wasnt able to preform? so a non main event wwf title fight tells me the belt isnt gonna change hands especially to a first year solo wrestler. As i said before find me a big match that shawn lost to bret in his prime. shawn's first year solo isnt his prime
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 The WWF title often isn't the main event... if you know anything of wrestling, you'd know this. Are you really going to try arguing that? You have your own agenda here, nobody really gives a shit about it. Bret Hart defeated Shawn Michaels in a WWF Championship match in the main event of one of the biggest pay-per-views of the year, at a time when the WWF was far more of a mainstream concern than it was when they had their later matches. Big match, big victory for Bret.
plasteg 1 year ago
@plasteg gotta agree 100% with plasteg. wm12 and ss97 have been more publicised in recent years but a wwf title match in the main event of one of the big 4 is "big" whether you want to admit it or not. you seem to want to push the "shawn was only ic" angle but bret was ic champ and main eventing summerslam as champion only two months prior to becoming wwe champ. wwe put shawn in the title match because they clearly thought he was up to it. all your shawn "in his prime" stuff is subjective crap
RobertChristgau 1 year ago
@plasteg obviously you care since you keep replying to me. let me clarify my self. when you think of shawn vs bret, the biggest matches that come to mind is survivor series and wrestlemania; If you dispute that then you have an agenda. If you wanna consider the '92 match big then fine Ill bite. so let me rephrase my self Shawn Michaels never lost his biggest match against bret hart. take your pick survivor series or wrestlemania.
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 Lol, right answer: you admit to running with an agenda. Now you're trying to rig things. Of course, The Iron Man match and Montreal are more talked-about matches today: I'm not disputing that. But a main event pay-per-view match for the WWF Championship, back when the WWF had only four ppv's and was hot mainstream property, was big. And anyone who knows wrestling knows of Shawn and Bret's first ppv meeting for the big one.
plasteg 1 year ago
@plasteg I have no agenda i just tell the truth. when I say except the big ones its obvious that i'm talking about the wrestle mania match and the survivor series match. you choose to include the '92 match as a big match and I don't; I just see it as the champ going against a rookie. So ill say it again hart won most of the matches except the big ones. If you disagree then fine but you're not going to change my mind.
biggie7385 1 year ago
@biggie7385 Rookie? Bwahaha! A rookie who's been a pro for over eight years, is holding the second most important title in the industry, and is competing for the WWF Championship in the main event of one of the biggest four pay-per-views of the year? Please, you're falling apart. The buy-rate for Survivor Series '92 was greater than that of Survivor Series '97, by the way: '97 may be more talked-about today due to controversy, but '92 was watched by far more people. Big match, big victory.
plasteg 1 year ago
Amazing how much their careers paralled each other so much......started off in tag-teams, struck out on their own as mid-carders, and then ascended to the main event. Bret did so earlier than Shawn of course, him being in the business longer.
SuperAdventures 1 year ago
why is shawn's so much lighter back in the early 90s?
2009DanielWright 1 year ago
imagine if you were watching this match back in that year, would anyone ever thought these 2 would be the ones main eventing PPV against one another?
ShootStyleZombie 1 year ago
he was my hero,when i was young:-)
selter6 1 year ago
In heaven have WWF!
entertainment for the saveds rsrsrs :D
xpcmaster 1 year ago
Wooow what a great time ...... time is running so fast ..........
So the question is , where we came from ? and where we are going ?
Every human being must think before he lose his or her live ...... I mean look at
these great wrestlers , where are they now , they getting too old ...... and then
they will go to the grave ..............
abdboji 1 year ago
2 Titans...
xpcmaster 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Great chemestry between them.
PunkDrummerboy86 1 year ago
fake as hell
TheEveryThink 1 year ago
@TheEveryThink So are the movies you watch in the theaters or online...so whats your point?
Goukimessatsu2 1 year ago
Haha, did anyone else see Jim throw the glasses at the kid, lol
rmathew2 1 year ago
@rmathew2 i still hav my bret hart shades 2 pair n sliver.....i had pink but pull a owen hart wit them (rip them wen i got mad ) ...boy i regret that
airwolfwwf 1 year ago
Hart Foundation got better pop than the Rockers
rmathew2 1 year ago
Sorry, but I have to disagree with those who think John cenacle is better than hbk, close but no cigar! John pretty much sucks! The only reason I watch or watched raw was because of Bret hart n hbk. John cena does the same boring stuff, nothing new, the same old stupid stf! He's boring now! I still like him, but his matches but me to sleep! Unless I hear that hart attack titration, my ass is staying asleep. Oh yea and hhh made it worth my while too. Cena is over rated for sure
Niesha18C 1 year ago
@Niesha18C I agree, also there are no real rivalries left in WWE, they are all buddies, they all suck each other off backstage. Bret and Shawn hated each other and fought backstage, and made it seem real in the ring
rmathew2 1 year ago
hbk is only 3 time WWF champion and 1 time World Heavyweight champion
sheamusism 1 year ago
@sheamusism "only". I guess these days with John Cena having won the title something like 9 times, 3 times doesn't seem like a lot.
iknowme 1 year ago
@iknowme but the fact is, CEna is better than Hbk.. no doubt
sheamusism 1 year ago
My top 5 wwf wrestlers:
1.Shawn Michaels
2.Andre The Giant
3.Bret Hart
4.Terry Funk
5.Superfly Snuka
mantassxmantassx 1 year ago
just more proof bret got screwed marty throws the first punch and bret is dq? double dq but still
johnnydeltoro11 1 year ago
I would liked to have seen some Marty - Bret singles matches. Every time the Rockheads and the Fart foundation worked together there was always a lot of Marty on Bret.
1981CrueHead 1 year ago
Neidhart just drops the shades in kids lap n on the floor. Neidhart smelled like weed that night.
1981CrueHead 1 year ago
Oh God Shawn, that hair...those TIGHTS!
jeremycarrier 1 year ago
@daaraindon hahaha yeah I think that was their way of not wanting a face to lose to another face...I'm suprised they even made this match...that was so rare back then...
radgainesmaster 1 year ago
Wow! 1990 and tensions were already flaring
williwo 1 year ago
that's where the Greatest of rivalries were started
lead4blade 1 year ago 12
so im guessing this their first 1 on 1 match against each other? damn after watching this i would never thought this too would be 2 of the best in wrestling.
2010thekingofkings 1 year ago
So Bret gets hit in the face by Marty in front of the ref and it's a double DQ?? LOL. Wrestling used to be so awesome.
daaraindon 1 year ago
Nice match but Marty Jannetty threw the first punch so Shawn Michaels should have been disqualified NOT both men.
Oh right...pro-wrestling results are perdetermined.
Jinsell37 1 year ago
miss u shawn!!!!!!!!!!!!! hbk is the best
steeyl 1 year ago
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Proof that Bret Hart is the greatest WWE wrestler ever is the fact that he actually launches other wrestler's main event careers at Wrestlemania. Owen became a superstar after their match at WM10, HBK became the champion after this matchup, and Steve Austin became a face at Wrestlemania 13
Hardy0811 1 year ago
Awe didums!!! poor little dventura2350, he's taken it all too seriously, we should tell him that wrestling is completely fake! and nothing to get so worked up about!! what a vulgar tongue you have, and you're an ugly looking dweeb, just went on your home page!! Perfect was the best you are an ass! grow up!!
barrymanfan 1 year ago
This was the time when HBK was new to the the wwf. Bret had already been there some years and also was a tag team champion in Hart Foundation. Although no doubt....these two are the most exciting and talented performers ever.
fun4ever000 1 year ago
I always thought the Warriors and Rockers had the same music, just a little different. Maybe it's just me.
krazygreen 1 year ago
Shawn should have been DQd first, then the ending brawl . . . that is of course if wrestling rules were consistent, hehehe
TheDragonCult 1 year ago
Bret has a real attitude problem, he was completely outclassed in this match, i agree FLAIR is overrated....hey remember mr perfect got him out of wwf in 1993!!!! but then perfect is the best!! bret was lucky in summerslam 91 and even luckier in king of the ring!!
barrymanfan 1 year ago
@barrymanfan ur a fukin idiot u dont no shit about wreslting history
dventura2350 1 year ago
@barrymanfan
outclassed????? LOLOLOL
NiceVideos11 1 year ago
I wonder if they already had beef with each other during this match
GuitarxWolf 1 year ago
Tony Schivone was a commentator for WWF?
jet32009 1 year ago
@jet32009 yep.4 a whole year!
SWO4LIFE 1 year ago
@jet32009
yup Schivone was in WWF for a short time around 89 - 90
GamingPalooza 1 year ago 2
Why is this a double DQ?
Jannety punched Bret and Michaels Neidhart... the Hart Foundation only reacted on the Rockers.
Benny82Nbg 1 year ago
Yeah,ric flair is overrated.His matches against Steamboat,Sting,Bret Hart,hogan,vader,antonio inoki are jokes.
Seriously,your comments are those of a WWE mark.Yes,Flair should retire but he still remains active.But lets not say shit thats idiotic.Flair is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.
5starwrestlingradio 1 year ago
@5starwrestlingradio sup you bitch ass nigga?
SWO4LIFE 1 year ago
Now how can you guys say that Ric Falir is overrated? nvm. Ur right he is.
teamextremejandhhard 1 year ago
redhawk0329, I couldn't have said it any better myself. Flair is overrated..
jaybo247 1 year ago 4
bret hart good plsyer
master36851 1 year ago
'Coz he is old and weak now.:((
SimphonycFrenzy 1 year ago
why is it that hbk never does any of those intense moves now?
TheCitrusdude 1 year ago
Shawn lost maaad weight son son son
ROosthakid 1 year ago
watching this back in the day you would have never guessed that these 2 would be multiple world title holders
radicalman33 2 years ago 23
Damn.. I accidentally thumb down my fault.. ;D.. Indeed..
kub 1 year ago
@radicalman33 that's wrong... i absolutely did, not tooting my own horn.
focusandcreate 1 year ago
@focusandcreate
you thought that 2 guys from 2 of the most popular tag teams would become multiple time world champs, even though at this time it was mainly the power wrestlers who competed for the wwf championship? thats some damn good insight
radicalman33 1 year ago
blonde vs brunette lol
coolmusicforyou1 2 years ago 5
shawn was so much bigger damn.
coolmusicforyou1 2 years ago 2
During his Rocker days,Shawn had some baby fat on him,which made him bigger looking,more mass....
The biggest Shawn ever was, was around wrestlemania 12, he pretty massive around that time.
Around wrestlemania 14,his last match,he was extremely muscular and very cut,best muscular shape ever in my opinion....
He was pretty decent build when he came back in 2002....
today though,he lost weight and I am sure he does not workout as much...just says in good shape,without adding any more muscle
muratshawn 2 years ago
Pretty cool to see them when Shawn was'nt a little cunt bag. Bret is still the man, and I'd pay to see Bret wrestle against either Shawn or Vince
PunkDrummerboy86 2 years ago 20
@PunkDrummerboy86: Shawn was a great little cunt. He made all of Canada mad as hell in the late 90's better than anyone. You need the heel to make the story line work. It was just Shawn was that way in real life as well.
LUTS67 1 year ago
@PunkDrummerboy86 cunt bag lol
juddy219 1 year ago
there are no broken hearts on Shawn's trunks and no hearts Bret's trunks yet
santanaincubus 2 years ago
THIS WAS 20 YEARS AGO NOW!
lol for a second I thought that was lillian garcia ring annoncing
DeathAdder83 2 years ago 6
she was probably in middle school by then :)
oehieze 2 years ago
Lillian was actually born in 1966 and graduated high school in 1984 so she would have been 23, 24 by this time.
I think the woman whose voice you hear here Michelle McGuirk who would have been about as old as Lillian is now when this was recorded.
mapscannotcontainme 2 years ago 3
brings back so many memories!
TheAttrition 2 years ago 4
Was this the first time HBK and Bret fought? Best rivalry in WWE history!
christianpersad 2 years ago 3
Agreed HBK and Bret and he can get his revenge
lawver90 2 years ago
One more match!!!
Wrestlemania 26
Bret hart Vs HBK!!!!
RatedRKOKiller 2 years ago 5
would be awesome, but we have to remember Bret had a stroke a few years back and the concussions that retired him in the first place. Is he really capable or at least can he safely do anything more than a squash match with Vince?
mrklgndry 2 years ago
Doubt that could happen... but there could be some sort of vicarious match, where one of the members of the Hart Dynasty have a match in his lieu.
ManiacCraniac 2 years ago
That would be HUGE
johnmalory26 2 years ago
If Bret has 1 more, it will be VKM at WM.
aj31313 2 years ago 3
I was seven years old during this time and I remember how crazy I thought it was that between the Rockers-Hart Foundation and Warrior-Hogan feud that the WWF had GOOD GUYS FEUDING! It was completely mind-blowing back then.
artddp 2 years ago 4
wwe need to bring back Tony Schiavone or at least put him in the hall of fame.
theabsolutetruth 2 years ago 2
How dare you
TrilogyofC 2 years ago
@TrilogyofC
you have to admit he's way better than michael cole
theabsolutetruth 2 years ago
yeah but cole sucks so bad its entertaining
CODEBREAKER1988 2 years ago 2
he would be a great heel announcer for wwe now! him striker would own!
fattycheeks 2 years ago
there ego's were even there in 1990 lol nobody agreed to lose even when they were up and coming
SULLY2014 2 years ago
Shawn Michael's character is a better gimmick. He's a better performer with the mic too. Bret Hart by his own admission in his book says he wasn't good at speaking. Wrestling wise, Bret is better. Also, I need a life!
MattRebel25 2 years ago 2
3:52 = Best move ive seen in wrestling. Fact.
Thuph6hi 2 years ago
Two of the Greatest Wrestler i´ve ever seen....Legends...
Abraxus81 2 years ago
Both Bret and Shawn helped each others careers when they feuded for as long as they did. It was the ultimate rivalry as well as career booster.
JLucs09 2 years ago 2
Neidhart should have hit Michaels that would have made the double DQ make sense. As is, Jannetty hit Hart, Michaels hit Neidhart and THEN the ref rings the bell. Makes no sense.
kayfabemark 2 years ago
bret hart is the man lol but hey nice drop kick by shawn michaels
gregory8991 2 years ago
omg this reminds me when i used to be a 6 years old boy , viva wwe i growed up watching wrestling.
DOMINICANINC 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Bret Hart is a great Wrestler. But Shawn takes it to another level based on Intensity, PPV hype, selling, charisma wise, impact moves, and mike skills.
I've been thankful to witness watching both Bret And Shawn shine, But seriosly Shawn Michaels outshines Bret any day.
legaspi89 2 years ago
@legaspi89 when it comes to entertaining then maybe but all around wrestling skill bret outshines michaels anyday of the week. Shawn is an entertainer 1st wrestler second. Bret is a wrestler first entertainer second.
Own4ge90 2 years ago 3
lol what a BS decision.. Jannetty clearly hit Bret First and was all over the apron.
snkjack 2 years ago
2:37 two simple moves but Bret makes them look better than most guys finishers nowadays.
jcmmnx 2 years ago
Bret is a zillion times more talented than Michaels. It's not Bret's fault that Vince decided to make Michaels his lover and give him the company after '95. Michaels SUCKS, always has, always will "Sweet Chin Music" Corny!
MrFrenchHeritage 2 years ago