well ive picked u up wrong and im sorry i had a miscarriage about two wks ago and these ppl who can just flush there unborn bbys dwn the toilet really hurts me as i wanted my bby so much i pray and hope u have a happy labour and birth love and godbless u lifemiss
im pro-life and i do support all of the above parents and baby.....But listen u cant NOT be pro-CHOICE&PRO-LIFE and forgive me but thats what u sound like!!! ON THE FENCE!!!
@lifemiss Dear, you have no idea how wrong you are. I am as pro-life as you can get. But clobbering pro-choice people over the head with the truth doesn't get anyone anywhere. Instead we should be trying to show them with love why abortion isn't the answer, and show that babies are a blessing. I start with one reason and move on, try to feel out if they're objective or completely bigoted, and if they are they latter, I leave them alone. They will not hear what we say no matter how much we speak.
The "thinking about it" thing was to show how ludicrous your thoughts can get when you're pregnant and hormonal. I would never do something like that, so women should think twice, thrice, 4x before making life decisions while pregnant! Especially something that important.
I suppose you want religious/spiritual proof now? The Bible often identifies life with "breath", (Gen 2:7) suggesting that life begins at birth, not conception.Other examples are in Joshua 10:40, 1 Kings 15:29 and many others where "breath" is treated as a synonym for "life". In biblical terms it seems clear that life begins at birth, not conception.
@MissCarly84 The brain then. First: measurable brain waves take place at 6-8 weeks. That means there is brain activity, in a creature that has nothing but human DNA. Saying it isn't human because it hasn't developed part of its body yet is just ridiculous. That's like saying if a child doesn't grow a beard they aren't a person. Just because we don't have the technology to measure the thought of underdeveloped human offspring doesn't mean it is not a human being.
@Emirichan317 Its not just 'a part of the body', it is THE part of our body that makes us human. You say my opinions arent evidence in this arguement? Yours arent either. These are your personal opinions. None of which are backed by evidence. You asked me to provide evidence, and that I did provide. You dont like it? Well thats something you have to deal with. You cant argue with scientific fact.
you want proof that a fetus is not human life? what medically distinguishes humans from other life is the developed outer layers of the human brain - the cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex is the place of human emotions, perceptions, sensations and all other traits we consider uniquely human. In the first trimester, there their is no functioning of the cerebral cortex (you can find this in any medical textbook, or any research that has been conducted). This is medical proof to your question
@MissCarly84 Also, the DNA is a key point: ALL scientists in biological fields will tell you that a new individual of any species is formed when the two cells join and the DNA becomes completely different and unique from either parent. Also, it is not a hand or an organ geared toward a function in the parent's body, it is an autonomous unit geared toward its own life process and capable of reproduction once it has reached human maturity, the same as a child is once it grows into an adult.
@Emirichan317 A fetus is human, in the sense that it contains human DNA; however, a fetus, like an embryo, is not a human being, as it has no means of independent physiological existence. (because it does not have physiological independence outside its host—the pregnant woman).
LOL...delete my comment? no reply? nah I wouldnt have a reply either. Get an education before trying to challenge people on here. Perhaps a makeover too ( as you look like a withered up old hag in this video....certainly older than your 22 years!!)
@MissCarly84 Interesting how all anyone wants to do is comment on what's wrong with me because I don't believe abortion helps women at all and I believe killing a child is wrong. And my appearance doesn't argue anyone's point..
Let's start over. I deleted your comments because insults are not my goal. I get angry with people who should understand and don't, so first of all, I apologize. Second: Why do you say abortion is okay and why do you believe a fetus isn't a child until 20 weeks? Thanks.
@Emirichan317 If a woman wants to have an abortion, I am not in the position to judge her. Everyone has different circumstances. A fetus is a fetus... not a human, it cant possibly live on its own outside the mother's womb. Yes it may 'potentially' be human, however its not, the woman is a person, and she has the right to her own body and health.
You dont believe in abortion?? Fine,simple, dont have one!. But don't be judgmental of other women's situations you know nothing about.
@MissCarly84@MissCarly84 Judging a woman has nothing to do with it. I don't believe in judging anyone, either. But allowing people to kill their children because they are scientifically misinformed and/or don't like the consequences of their sexual activities is wrong. It is never palatable for people nowadays to say that anything is "wrong", because we all want to be PC. But you wouldn't allow someone to kill a 3 year old child because you wanted to be PC.
@MissCarly84 Also, "situations I know nothing about" is what women say when they want to be special. As I have shown in my video, I know how rough it is to pregnant without familial or financial support. That was the point of the video. It was worth it.
@Emirichan317 How is me saying you dont know about other women's situations meaning that they "want to be special".... ummm you really DONT know of most other women's situations!
@MissCarly84 What don't I know? How hard it is? How alone people feel? How depressed hormones can make you? How evil and abusive other people can be, how terrible the pain of childbirth can be, how starving feels, how uncertainty feels, how lost you can be and how afraid you can be at the prospect of unplanned motherhood? I. KNOW. Everyone has different levels of what they can take and what they can't, but YES. I KNOW. And killing a baby isn't going to make you feel/be any better.
@Emirichan317 no... some people are in loving relationships.. have no financial struggle.. have family support etc, but just decide not to have a child. I have talked to lots of couples about past pregnancy's, and you would be suprised at peoples circumstances and the fact they are happy with their past decisions.
@MissCarly84 CONTD. If they think they are saving a child from an abusive relative, they are wrong. I have seen many people who were abused and while that was terrible, they overcame it and lived fulfilling lives, NOT wishing they had been killed. Also, I know of one case where the mother left 10 hrs North to the Southern states to have her baby and adopt her out. That child now has a daughter of her own and reunited with her whole family later on. Abuse needs fixing by abusers, not victims.
@MissCarly84 Also, by special, I mean that when things get hard, everyone responds by lashing out: "You don't know me!" I may not know them specifically, but I do get it better than anyone wants to give me credit for. If this video can protect women from decades of regret, depression and prevent the death of a child, I'll take a little criticism.
@MissCarly84 "A fetus is not a human being"? Where in any biology textbook does it say that? So far all you have told me is your opinions, which do not appear to be based on anything scientific. All you have said is "it's not viable" and "a fetus is a fetus." That makes no sense and has nothing to back it up except for one judge's mistaken ruling in the 70's that said "we don't know when life begins," and hundreds of scientists have proven him wrong. Why do you think a fetus isnt a human being?
@MissCarly84 YEARS and LIBRARIES worth of basic reproductive biology research!! I know that you know the basics. I know you aren't ignorant or stupid; you're a midwife. You know these things. So what in any of this makes you say it is NOT a new human being? I just can't understand it. Please, please explain. I'm here, I'm listening, I want to get it. But you haven't offered me anything!
@Emirichan317 since when can a human being be defined as a group of cells? Because thats what a fetus is... a group of cells... just like in my example of the process of IVF, the cells are fertilized and the ones that are not implanted are thrown away.. is this murder too??
@MissCarly84 so therefore...abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not an actual human being (which is proven scientificallu—it is a potential human being- it is a part of the woman, (it can not survive outside her womb). The concept murder only applies to the initiation of physical force used to destroy an actual human being. (such as when "pro life terroists bomb abortion clinics........).....
@MissCarly84 Have you not seen the pictures? Or are those all fabrications? Also, you are using an extremist who I have no affiliation or agreement with to put forth that view of pro life people. That terrorist was insane, and so is anyone who tries to kill another person. That is against everything prolifers believe in and if others are telling you otherwise, they are completely wrong. The point is to protect life. Not destroy it.
@MissCarly84 If a person who knows they are killing a child is okay with it, that doesn't make it right. It makes them responsible and immoral. If they didn't know, it is sad, but what did people think that they were doing? Abortion is only necessary is there is something inside the woman to remove. NO ONE has an abortion for "potential children". They only want to get rid of the responsibility, emotional or financial or lifestyle related CONTD.
@MissCarly84 Adopt the child out, and you don't have any of the financial burden, the heavy responsibility, any of it-- but you haven't killed and you can rest knowing you helped bring a beautiful thing into the world that a childless couple is caring for. It is NOT good for either women or children. ASK THEM. I just don't get it.
@Emirichan317 Heres a question for you, you think abortion is murder??
well then explain this...so human life begins at conception right?? what about in IVF, when the eggs are fertilized (=human life yes?) and those that are not implanted are thrown away routinely ..... is this murder too???
@MissCarly84 See, my problem is, you come back asking what proof I have while not offering any of your own. I cannot go along with you if you can't even be bothered to explain any scientific reason for thinking embryos are not children. You went through some kind of medical training I would think, and yet, you merely switch the name fetus for embryo. Those are synonyms. They are different words for the exact same thing. WHY are they not human beings?
God Bless you and your daughter and your husband, I could relATE to your experence because Jan 1 i got preg I am 23 unfortunaly I am single the father walked out of my life so yeah . If you want to talk to me send an e mail at Jaybirdhoh@aim,com
Emily, you are such an inspiration. Your strength and courage are commendable. I know you and John will be just fine. Setbacks are temporary. You two have been committed, focused and steadfast. Your daughter is so lucky!!
well ive picked u up wrong and im sorry i had a miscarriage about two wks ago and these ppl who can just flush there unborn bbys dwn the toilet really hurts me as i wanted my bby so much i pray and hope u have a happy labour and birth love and godbless u lifemiss
lifemiss 10 months ago
im pro-life and i do support all of the above parents and baby.....But listen u cant NOT be pro-CHOICE&PRO-LIFE and forgive me but thats what u sound like!!! ON THE FENCE!!!
lifemiss 10 months ago
@lifemiss Dear, you have no idea how wrong you are. I am as pro-life as you can get. But clobbering pro-choice people over the head with the truth doesn't get anyone anywhere. Instead we should be trying to show them with love why abortion isn't the answer, and show that babies are a blessing. I start with one reason and move on, try to feel out if they're objective or completely bigoted, and if they are they latter, I leave them alone. They will not hear what we say no matter how much we speak.
Emirichan317 10 months ago
The "thinking about it" thing was to show how ludicrous your thoughts can get when you're pregnant and hormonal. I would never do something like that, so women should think twice, thrice, 4x before making life decisions while pregnant! Especially something that important.
Emirichan317 10 months ago
I suppose you want religious/spiritual proof now? The Bible often identifies life with "breath", (Gen 2:7) suggesting that life begins at birth, not conception.Other examples are in Joshua 10:40, 1 Kings 15:29 and many others where "breath" is treated as a synonym for "life". In biblical terms it seems clear that life begins at birth, not conception.
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 The brain then. First: measurable brain waves take place at 6-8 weeks. That means there is brain activity, in a creature that has nothing but human DNA. Saying it isn't human because it hasn't developed part of its body yet is just ridiculous. That's like saying if a child doesn't grow a beard they aren't a person. Just because we don't have the technology to measure the thought of underdeveloped human offspring doesn't mean it is not a human being.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 Its not just 'a part of the body', it is THE part of our body that makes us human. You say my opinions arent evidence in this arguement? Yours arent either. These are your personal opinions. None of which are backed by evidence. You asked me to provide evidence, and that I did provide. You dont like it? Well thats something you have to deal with. You cant argue with scientific fact.
MissCarly84 1 year ago
you want proof that a fetus is not human life? what medically distinguishes humans from other life is the developed outer layers of the human brain - the cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex is the place of human emotions, perceptions, sensations and all other traits we consider uniquely human. In the first trimester, there their is no functioning of the cerebral cortex (you can find this in any medical textbook, or any research that has been conducted). This is medical proof to your question
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 Also, the DNA is a key point: ALL scientists in biological fields will tell you that a new individual of any species is formed when the two cells join and the DNA becomes completely different and unique from either parent. Also, it is not a hand or an organ geared toward a function in the parent's body, it is an autonomous unit geared toward its own life process and capable of reproduction once it has reached human maturity, the same as a child is once it grows into an adult.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 A fetus is human, in the sense that it contains human DNA; however, a fetus, like an embryo, is not a human being, as it has no means of independent physiological existence. (because it does not have physiological independence outside its host—the pregnant woman).
MissCarly84 1 year ago
LOL...delete my comment? no reply? nah I wouldnt have a reply either. Get an education before trying to challenge people on here. Perhaps a makeover too ( as you look like a withered up old hag in this video....certainly older than your 22 years!!)
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 Interesting how all anyone wants to do is comment on what's wrong with me because I don't believe abortion helps women at all and I believe killing a child is wrong. And my appearance doesn't argue anyone's point..
Let's start over. I deleted your comments because insults are not my goal. I get angry with people who should understand and don't, so first of all, I apologize. Second: Why do you say abortion is okay and why do you believe a fetus isn't a child until 20 weeks? Thanks.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 If a woman wants to have an abortion, I am not in the position to judge her. Everyone has different circumstances. A fetus is a fetus... not a human, it cant possibly live on its own outside the mother's womb. Yes it may 'potentially' be human, however its not, the woman is a person, and she has the right to her own body and health.
You dont believe in abortion?? Fine,simple, dont have one!. But don't be judgmental of other women's situations you know nothing about.
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 @MissCarly84 Judging a woman has nothing to do with it. I don't believe in judging anyone, either. But allowing people to kill their children because they are scientifically misinformed and/or don't like the consequences of their sexual activities is wrong. It is never palatable for people nowadays to say that anything is "wrong", because we all want to be PC. But you wouldn't allow someone to kill a 3 year old child because you wanted to be PC.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 Also, "situations I know nothing about" is what women say when they want to be special. As I have shown in my video, I know how rough it is to pregnant without familial or financial support. That was the point of the video. It was worth it.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 How is me saying you dont know about other women's situations meaning that they "want to be special".... ummm you really DONT know of most other women's situations!
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 What don't I know? How hard it is? How alone people feel? How depressed hormones can make you? How evil and abusive other people can be, how terrible the pain of childbirth can be, how starving feels, how uncertainty feels, how lost you can be and how afraid you can be at the prospect of unplanned motherhood? I. KNOW. Everyone has different levels of what they can take and what they can't, but YES. I KNOW. And killing a baby isn't going to make you feel/be any better.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 no... some people are in loving relationships.. have no financial struggle.. have family support etc, but just decide not to have a child. I have talked to lots of couples about past pregnancy's, and you would be suprised at peoples circumstances and the fact they are happy with their past decisions.
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 CONTD. If they think they are saving a child from an abusive relative, they are wrong. I have seen many people who were abused and while that was terrible, they overcame it and lived fulfilling lives, NOT wishing they had been killed. Also, I know of one case where the mother left 10 hrs North to the Southern states to have her baby and adopt her out. That child now has a daughter of her own and reunited with her whole family later on. Abuse needs fixing by abusers, not victims.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 Also, by special, I mean that when things get hard, everyone responds by lashing out: "You don't know me!" I may not know them specifically, but I do get it better than anyone wants to give me credit for. If this video can protect women from decades of regret, depression and prevent the death of a child, I'll take a little criticism.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 "A fetus is not a human being"? Where in any biology textbook does it say that? So far all you have told me is your opinions, which do not appear to be based on anything scientific. All you have said is "it's not viable" and "a fetus is a fetus." That makes no sense and has nothing to back it up except for one judge's mistaken ruling in the 70's that said "we don't know when life begins," and hundreds of scientists have proven him wrong. Why do you think a fetus isnt a human being?
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 and what evidence do you have that a fetus is a human being???
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 YEARS and LIBRARIES worth of basic reproductive biology research!! I know that you know the basics. I know you aren't ignorant or stupid; you're a midwife. You know these things. So what in any of this makes you say it is NOT a new human being? I just can't understand it. Please, please explain. I'm here, I'm listening, I want to get it. But you haven't offered me anything!
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 since when can a human being be defined as a group of cells? Because thats what a fetus is... a group of cells... just like in my example of the process of IVF, the cells are fertilized and the ones that are not implanted are thrown away.. is this murder too??
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 so therefore...abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not an actual human being (which is proven scientificallu—it is a potential human being- it is a part of the woman, (it can not survive outside her womb). The concept murder only applies to the initiation of physical force used to destroy an actual human being. (such as when "pro life terroists bomb abortion clinics........).....
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 Have you not seen the pictures? Or are those all fabrications? Also, you are using an extremist who I have no affiliation or agreement with to put forth that view of pro life people. That terrorist was insane, and so is anyone who tries to kill another person. That is against everything prolifers believe in and if others are telling you otherwise, they are completely wrong. The point is to protect life. Not destroy it.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 If a person who knows they are killing a child is okay with it, that doesn't make it right. It makes them responsible and immoral. If they didn't know, it is sad, but what did people think that they were doing? Abortion is only necessary is there is something inside the woman to remove. NO ONE has an abortion for "potential children". They only want to get rid of the responsibility, emotional or financial or lifestyle related CONTD.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 a fetus is a human embryo....not a human being.
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 Adopt the child out, and you don't have any of the financial burden, the heavy responsibility, any of it-- but you haven't killed and you can rest knowing you helped bring a beautiful thing into the world that a childless couple is caring for. It is NOT good for either women or children. ASK THEM. I just don't get it.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 Heres a question for you, you think abortion is murder??
well then explain this...so human life begins at conception right?? what about in IVF, when the eggs are fertilized (=human life yes?) and those that are not implanted are thrown away routinely ..... is this murder too???
MissCarly84 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 See, my problem is, you come back asking what proof I have while not offering any of your own. I cannot go along with you if you can't even be bothered to explain any scientific reason for thinking embryos are not children. You went through some kind of medical training I would think, and yet, you merely switch the name fetus for embryo. Those are synonyms. They are different words for the exact same thing. WHY are they not human beings?
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@MissCarly84 I am moving for the next few days and will not have a computer connection. If you reply, know I won't be on for a bit. Thanks.
Emirichan317 1 year ago
@Emirichan317 Thats fine. I guess we both have strong beliefs on both sides of this matter, and I guess thats how we will leave it.
MissCarly84 1 year ago
God Bless you and your daughter and your husband, I could relATE to your experence because Jan 1 i got preg I am 23 unfortunaly I am single the father walked out of my life so yeah . If you want to talk to me send an e mail at Jaybirdhoh@aim,com
friends222 2 years ago
Emily, you are such an inspiration. Your strength and courage are commendable. I know you and John will be just fine. Setbacks are temporary. You two have been committed, focused and steadfast. Your daughter is so lucky!!
mirdy3 2 years ago
Thank you! Things are definitely going better than before. Congratulations to your sister! I can't wait ^^
Emirichan317 2 years ago
God Bless you and your daughter and your husband,my step sister recently gave birth 2 weeks ago.I hope and pray everything goes well for you.
OddsGrl07 2 years ago