I always thought Eugene was a man's name... regardless... I'd love to know if that political statement was intended or not. It really seemed like it was (and was rather brilliant I might add), but she really acted like she did not mean it. I would also like to say that the guy in the background added to this humor quite well. I loved his expression as he caught on, lmao!
A far worse problem is the lack of acknowledgement by scientist that the was an experiment that was started in the USA called liberty. Most of them don't get the concept that you cannot violate the laws of physics and print wealth out of a printing press. They should understand not to tread on other peoples experiments of liberty. Most are authoritarian central planners who hate liberty and support government
Evolution has been accepted and observable science for a hundred years. The fossil record and now DNA are amazing in showing us the history of it, but we can actually watch it happen in animals with extremely fast birth and death rates. We've even observed speciation several times. That it happens is not questioned.
To officially mark it, on a government level, as somehow suspect purely for the benefit of certain religious fundamentalists would deeply violate the constitution.
"All the evidence available in the biological sciences supports the core proposition of traditional natural theology--that the cosmos is a specially designed whole with life and mankind as its fundamental goal and purpose, a whole in which all facets of reality, from the size of galaxies to the thermal capacity of water, have their meaning and explanation in this central fact."(p. 389) - Nature's Destiny by Michael Denton
No kidding.... Where did i say bureaucracy is bad? i specifically said "a bureaucracy running our education system".... It was the "running our education" part that i was talking about
Eugenie Scott is so awesome. I loved her little Zinger there. She is what a science teacher should be. Along with Carl Sagan, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Ken Miller.
There is no settled theory of evolution, and the biologists have quit using the word Darwinism. You can be a biologist in good standing no matter what evolutionary theory you embrace so long as a deity is not involved.
its kind of ironic that this discussion took place in texas, a (former) oil state. imo products made out of oil shouldnt be sold to creationists. the remainings of animals and plants who existed million of million years before humanity shouldnt be sold to people who dont believe in their existence.
Listen to the scientists. Mutations result in a loss of information in the genome. Read J. C. Sanford's Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of Genome. Sanford has 25 genetic patents, and is the inventor of the gene gun. He thoroughly refutes the belief that evolution results from "good" mutations selection by nature. There are many reviews of Sanford's book on Amazon.
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Eugenie Scott is a liar and fraud. Arguingwith Meyers on MSNBC, she said there are no peer reviewed articles on intelligent design, when there are; Meyers; article, or example. When Meyers proved her wrong on that point, she mentioned his article never mentions ID. Again, it does explicitly state intelligent design, design,etc
@ChristianMission please reference a credible scientific journal such as "science" or "nature" which has a peer review system in place and has published articles on intelligent design. you say she is a liar but she is COMPLETELY CORRECT. or did you get all the bullshit about intelligent design being big in the scientific community from your preacher
@ChristianMission There are NO peer reviewed papers about intelligent design. There are several articles which use the term without defining it, or refer indirectly to "design" without saying what that is supposed to mean, and there are plenty of letters to editors, but there are no, repeat no, peer-reviewed scientific papers in credible journals that provide evidence for, explanations of, or data about, the vacuous nonsense called "Intelligent Design". None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Bupkis.
'Funny how a lot of self-proclaimed Creationists don't seem to have much trouble believing in evolution, when it involves somthing like getting vaccinated for a new strain of the Flu virus.
Teaching the weaknesses of a Theory is an essential part of teaching a Theory altogether. This is what religious bigots fail to grasp.
One of the first examples of Evolution I was presented with was the famous "Piltdown man" (a fraud consisting of the jaw of a man and the skull of an ape) to explain how mistakes (or intentional fakes) can be presented and how science works to debunk them.
There are also a lot of flaws in the theories of Physics, but no one attacks those with zealous energy.
@Unicron4ever There are also more "flaws" in the Theory of Gravity and less is known of the process of gravity than the evolutionary process. Therefore, we need to teach "Intelligent Falling" as an alternative theory to the young skulls full of mush.
When scientists are testing a particular process which they think is natural selection’s purposeless process, in reality they are not evaluating natural selection’s abilities, but their own abilities. Put simply, they fool themselves repeatedly into believing that what they do is what natural selection does, and in turn fool their students and the public as well.
@MirabiliaMania That would be a quaint notion if there where not many forms of evidence for evolution and natural selection available spanning many disciplines of science.
@MirabiliaMania you are a better lawyer than speaker of reasoned thought. Semantic analysis of words is your forte. Many humans believe a picture is worth many of your words, me included.
With people who are dumber than ditchwater passing education standards, its only a matter of time before the US sinks to the doldrums of world education.
No matter how well detailed and intelligent her explanation is, it's like water of a duck's back to the fundies because all they know is "God's Word is the Truth", therefore debunking any critical thinking or humanist approach.
America is the land of contradictions. Texas is the epitome of this: on the one hand you have spectacular scientists working for NASA and the JPL. On the other hand, you have baboons wielding bibles as if they were scientific textbooks. So sad.
russia's the largest oil producer, not saudi. who's producing russian oil? american oil companies like exxonmobil, one of the 5,000 or so oil and gas companies in houston, the world energy capital. i think we'll hang on to texas, but maybe we can give cali back to the mexicans
@robocong7420 It was also American and European technology that found and originally extracted the oil in The Middle East, too; the original company was called "Aramco"; "Arab-American Oil Company."
@robocong7420 Oh, I forgot; Texas, each day, produces about as much oil as Saudi Arabia does, it's just that this country's thirst for oil vastly exceeds this.
the technological infrastructure and engineering expertise of houston in the oil & gas industry world famous. i think we should hang on to texas, but perhaps give california back to mexico
@robocong7420 I drove a taxicab for some years and I'm inclined to agree with you; too many Californians were just plain very weird; Texans were much more down-to-earth and were also better tippers.
@robocong7420 I personally don't like when people say "I heard" or "they say."
I view this as an inability to take any responsibility for one's own opinions and/or convictions.
You may have "I heard" and I have my own experience as a taxi driver, not that my sampling of Southern Californians visiting NYC can be necessarily accurate; either way I didn't care for them and vastly preferred Texans who came from west of where "the cactus line" starts.
@robocong7420 I explained myself quite clearly; if you wish to go "off on a riff" it's because "I heard" that you've never been laid and, overall don't do well with women so you basically lean towards misogyny.
That's what "I heard."
“Definitions are the guardians of rationality, the first line of defense against the chaos of mental disintegration." Ayn Rand.
Sounds like you're well on your way towards "the chaos of mental disintegration."
I love her, so honest and intelligent. You can just see it a mile away that these bible thumping bigots have no interest in facts or truth, they just want to push their political agenda down people's throats.
@TheSirBoyKing, third world nation? The standard of living has only rose higher and higher over the last 100 years. There's no reason to believe it will stop.
Ever hear of the tipping point? When you are falling off a 50 story building, I guess at the 25th floor, since you are still alive, there is no reason to think things are going to end badly either. Do the words "Rise and Fall of ...." have any meaning to you?
@smythdav, not in this day and age. The worst economic depression was in the 30's, and it was because of government interference, and look how we recovered.
Look, I'm not saying it can't happen, there could be a nuclear war tommorow for all anybody knows, but there's no use being paranoid about it when there's no evidence. Zero-sum thinking is a fallacy.
People are absolutely STUPID if they don't believe in evolution. Honestly It is so straight forward too, survival of the fittest and evolve to adapt to new life styles for billions of years all living creatures have done this.
The thing I love about this, is that the Texas SBOE has opened a Pandora's Box for themselves that they are not equipped to handle. In winning this battle they've set themselves up for crushing defeat from those whom previously just ignored them.
I love how the board members act so smug and intelligent when 80% of the developed world is laughing at them.
Here we have ignorant people infecting the minds of a whole generation of children with the utmost nonsense about a man in the sky who created a universe by merely wishing it into existence....though no explanation is given for this magic man appart from ''he's always existed''. This proves that a gang who believe clap-trap is self supporting. These are the American Taliban.
@landesal See, as an English person, I don't get that about "atlantic triangle trade". Does this mean that teachers will be forbidden to teach the truth, to mention slavery or something?
@queenastilon the answer is yes. you know how they teach us that the atlantic triangle trade involved for examples herbs from south America and new seeds from Europe, and thanks to TEA; SLAVES which is not true. Yes, slavery was something that the three continents were involved in. however it was not part of the trade itself.
"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
He should have taken four stages. Forth, it is attacked by some ridiculous idea.
If creationism or something similar eventually makes it into the american classrooms then the United States will have one of the worst education programs worldwide even behind many third world countries. I wouldn't be surprised if their next goal was to place the (flat)earth back in the center of the solar system.
@Staldren Apparently you are not aware of this, but creationism was taught in American schools until the mid 1960's. Prior to the 1970's we had some of the best schools in the world. I won't say the two are connected, but I will say history has proven you wrong already. Do you study history in Spain? Or are you just taught to make up whatever you feels best?
@gcnengineer I'm aware of that, but you can't be serious if you are trying to compare the mid 60s with 2010. Even third world countries with very religious cultures have switched to secular education programs in recent years. Maybe you don't mind going back to 1960, but contrary to the american perception, there is a world outside your borders and it is moving forward.
@Staldren Not at all, what I said was clear.you said, " If creationism or something similar eventually makes it into the american classrooms then the United States will have one of the worst education programs worldwide even behind many third world countries." I said history proves that is wrong. There I said it again. Did you get it this time?
@gcnengineer Wow... you are the one who needs to re-read dude, Im talking in future: if creationism makes it into the american classrooms then the United States will have one of the worst education programs worldwide. How can history prove me wrong? This is not 1960, time didn't stop, it is 2010. Then if I say face transplant is possible I'm wrong, history proves me wrong cause it wasn't possible in 1960, what kind of reasoning is that? just wow...
@Staldren I know, when you're under 30 years old you tend to think that days gone by people were different. When you get older you begin to realize the difference is the situations people are in. The hisory lesson is valid, perhaps one day you'll understand. Thanks for you wows
I'm not convinced creationism was taught in public schools. Either way, the question of what is taught concerning origins is different from the question of how good the school is overall.
@Mortison77577 You're probably too young to remember that. In fact, teachers had to affirm a belief in God to be a teacher. So it wasn't a matter of how good the school was. But these are things you can look up. Good luck.
Affirming a belief in God is different from teaching the biblical account of creation in a biology class. I'm not convinced they ever did that. I suspect they just left origins out of biology class.
@lordnimr0d i know... its funnier watching her blather on youtube because reading about it will leave doubts as to whether it is exaggerated or not. my wife watches the view and that scares me a little too
In the movie 2010 humans are already visiting Jupiter and routinely visit the moon. Why hasn't this happened in real life? Because the education system is bogged down by absolute idiots who think it is their role to push forward their bronze age beliefs in classrooms.
Abe Lincoln and Charles Darwin were born on the very same day. One set free the physically enslaved while the other set free the mentally enslaved. 80% of the scientific world recognized evolution as the true history of life on earth within only 20 years from the time Darwin laid it all out. Most influential book in history.
"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
Nice quote. I find it interesting that you can read it backwards and it lays out the stages religions go through. First it is accepted as self-evident. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is ridiculed.
heres a fun argument for all you devout evolutionists out there, you all believe that gradual changes leading up to man lead to many different species, so than how is it that the human brain is infinitely more complex than any other living thing on earth? and before you you start with all that "missing link" crap, just let me say that you would need a LOT of missing links to make a difference that big
Ah, but that's the thing... the human brain ISN'T 'infinitely' more complex than any other living thing. If you look at the physiological differences, our brains are actually very similar to chimpanzees and other apes.
Now, it's obvious that there's an incredible jump in capability there, but from a biological standpoint, you might as well simply lay that ape brains are 'infinitely more complex' than anything else.
thats where your wrong though, while they might be biologically similar, but the seemingly tiny differences in the human brain that allow us to think, reason, and comprehend are what makes the human brain so much more complex the that of a chimp, which as i said, in the theory of evolution would mean hundreds and hundreds of missing links
But even on the complexity level, if you look at the structures and makeup of the brain, the similarities between us and chimps are absolutely astonishing. The chief difference is simply quantity of neurons!
It feels as if you are claiming that our brains are more complex from a philosophical standpoint, rather than a taxonomical, biological, or neurological one.
the same structures are there yes, but what you dont realize is how much more is in those structures for a man than for a chimp, and as far as your missing links, if evolution really took billions and billions of years, dont you think its funny that we find dinosaur fossils in a decent abundance, and yet for some reason humaniod fossils (which supposedly came after the dinosaurs) are very seldomly found? and even when they are found archeologists arent able to confirm they arent human just bones
It's funny you should mention that... because this distinctly fulfills a prediction of evolution.
You see, I ask about this on my video: watch?v=0c4KI9RtoBk
No one has given me a source on this fact yet (that so many more dinosaur bones have been found than hominids) and I've been looking for one! Perhaps you would be so kind as to cite one?
@FiverBeyond Are you seriously asking why there are more examples from 500 identified genera (probably 2400 in total) of Dinosauria = Ornithischia + Saurischia", covering 5 continents for more than 170 million years?
No, of course not: I'm asking for a definitive source to this claim. In other words, I'm asking for any well accredited source that gives the number of dinosaur fossil finds, and the number of hominid finds. My point is that with Dinosauria being such an sizeable 'superorder', it stands to reason that there should be many, many more dinosaur fossils found than hominid fossils (with some leeway granted for the fact that older fossils tend to be more rare).
@FiverBeyond My apologies, my post should have been directed at Ckckfkfk. I would point out that fossil formation and preservation is extreamly arbitrary. We just have the one Burgess Shaleof such quality, only one Yixian formation so far. How the hell we have any hominids from a continent awash with hyena defeats me.
can you provide even 1 example of a transitionary fossil that proves undeniably that one species actually changed into a different species? if evolution is true, there should millions. Dr collin Patterson even said, and i quote "I will lay it on the line- there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument, it is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another" Harper's 1984, p 56, this argument must be getting pretty frustrating for you
Yes, yes... I've heard that 25-year-old Patterson quote over and over and over again.
As for naming one transitional form? Certainly:
Paratomarctus
Oh, but I'm afraid that your definition of 'transitional form' is quite incorrect. Look it up! You see, no transitional form "proves undeniably" that one species changed into a different species. That's not how science works. Nothing in science is 'proved undeniably' (not even gravity!)... instead we go with evidence.
and heres the folly of evolutionists, think about what you said there, now think about how many times youve claimed evolution as a fact, dont look now, but your hypocrysy is showing
one last thing, it is proven that the bible was written over 3500 years ago, it held countless prophecies about israel, if you read these prophecies and ask a historian about different points in israels history, these prophecies did in fact come to pass, and perhaps the most astonishing is that 2000 years after israel dissapeared, they return in 1948, & since than, they have fought & won 6 wars for their survival, which is funny because the bible describes them in this time as "undefeatable"
Ah... and now we get to the real source of the issue. You're not interested in evolution from a biology perspective... you're just trying to vindicate a particular interpretation of the Bible. Now it all makes sense...
Now, I've studied the Bible, and the history of Biblical manuscripts to some degree, and I am very surprised by your claim that it was written over 3,500 years ago. The First Kings (Saul, David, Solomon) only reigned 3,000 years ago, and most of the Bible was written afterwards.
look again, the bible is much older than you think, this is classic evolutionist making claims they cannot support to further their argument, and even if this did hold true, it would not explain the modern day events involving israel, the odds of a 2000 year old nation rising from the ashes of history only to be attacked by 7 surrounding nations a day after reforming and 2 years later defeating all of them and has since than not lost a single war.... very slim odds there
I'm afraid I did look, as to the age of the Bible. I'm shocked that you disagree on this, because most Christians don't:
The New Testament was written a little less than 2000 years ago, but certainly NOT 3,500 years ago.
The First Kings (Including Samuel 1 and 2, Kings 1 and 2, etc) were only about 3,000 years ago, and the Prophets (Isaiah - Malachi) were even later! The Babylonian Captivity (including Ezra, Nehemiah, and Daniel) was only 2,600 years ago.
oh, i see what your saying, my mistake, i misunderstood you, but no, the prophecies about israel were told from genesis all the way through dueteronomy, the new testament (as the name suggests) is obvously newer, the actual events may have been told in more detail in the late books, but they were foretold long before any of those books of the bible were written
- can you conclusively say that they were not simpyl added in at a later date?
- No prophecy in the bible has ever been shown to be genuine, there is no reason to believe any of them are either vague interpretation and postdiction
and to say these prophecies were probably written after they happend kinda makes you sound stupid, new versions of the bible may exist with slightly different wording, but as a whole they say the same things, and anyway, ancient manuscripts do exist disproving your claim that the bible has been added upon
- postdiction is rife in ancient mythology, not just christianity...to the point where it was given it's own term 'postdiction'. if you cannot demonstrate how your verse is free from postdiction then why should we believe that it is? i mean it's a valid question, how do we know the prophecy came before the event?
- how do you know that the alleged prophecy in the multiple versions of the bible is not based on manuscripts that were written after the event? what is your proof of this?
you sure seem to have a lot of "what if" situations going on here, and theres not much of a way i can argue that, it would be like me saying, "well what if someone is changing claiming that your fossils are older than they actually are?" you cant argue that, there is no no way, personally, i have no reason to believe anyone wrote these things after they happend. and as far as being vague, they arent, tell, what is vague about "deliverance from egyptian captivity"
my 'what if' scenarios are credible question that you need to answer for your claims to meet their burden of proof. you have made an extraordinary claim and now need to provide extraordinary evidence to prove it's credibility in this case, proof it is not postdiction or creatively interpreted.
thats exactly where evolution fails, all this supposed "evidence" can just as easily serve as evidence for creation. & i have backed up my claims with evidence, but as i said, there isnt a way i can argue if you say "well someone could have done this". ultimately there is no evidence to support your claim of postdiction. in the end, i have no intelligent way to argue in unintelligent argument. it can be a valid concern, with evidence, but there is none, therefore, it is an unintelligent argument
okay, sure, these things could point to evolution, but they could also point to intelligent design. Evolutionists consistantly argue that dna sequences point to evolution, but they ignore (as you did above) that these things could also point to a god using similar parts and pieces to make up everything. think, if you saw a tv and computer for the first time, would you assume that one evolved from the other, or would you assume they were both created using a similar design?
" but they could also point to intelligent design" - no, the reason i use them is because those specific examples CANNOT be accounted for by intelligent design.
- incorrect, i never once stated that genetic simularity is evidence of relatedness. i said the technology used to dermine our relatedness to chimps is the same technology as that used in paternity tests.
- you are once again comparing mad-made objects to biological ones, the camparison IS NOT VALID.
ERV's - viral fragments that can only be accounted for by common ancestery. They only get into the genome one way.
Human chromosome number 2 - has vestigial telemeres and centrimeres indicating that a fusion took place (which fits in perfectly with evolution which explains it as the fusion of chimp chromsome 2p and 2q). ID has no reason for fusion.
Relatedness to chimps determined using same tech as paternity tests is also bery straight forward and not base on overall 'simularity'
You're not being very honest; the theological, creationist position has ALWAYS been that of uniqueness; your deviation from that is quite remarkable but not the least bit, ultimately, unexpected.
If this comes out harsh. Please feel free to be offended. But take your eyes out of that pathetic book, written decades after the supposed events.
Instead, look up, Into the heavens. The light from the sun takes 8 minutes to get to earth. In our system of 8 planets. It takes over 2 years to get to the next star. To get it across the galaxy it takes another 100.000y. Think about that. There are maybe 400billion stars in our own galaxy. The next galaxy is 2.4 million ly away. Of which *cont*
there are maybe 100 billion galaxies spanned over 93 Billion light years. And yet. Here you sit. Imagining the supposed creator of all this. With all those galaxies, solar systems, planets and potential civilized forms of life. YOU, and only those who agree with YOUR view. Are the chosen ones. How pathetically arrogant. And even more so, you have the audacity to ask this being to help you out in prayers. Because your good..
". ultimately there is no evidence to support your claim of postdiction" - actually you have made the claim that you have prophecies which occur before the events themselves. EXTRAORDINARY claims require EXTRORDINARY evidence before they can be believed logically.
for instance whilst you may believe me if i said there is a cat hiding under my bed you would obviously require more evidence if i said there was a pink dragon hiding under my bed.
I think there is more evidence to support evolution than there is to support gravity.
As far as I know there hasn't been a book written in the past 10 years written by a credible Creationist scientist to dispute evolution. If there is please let me know I would love to read it for a good laugh.
Well if there were to come any scientific evidence against Evolution it'd be in no way shape or form linked to creationism/ID. I can't imagine what it'd be, creationism/ID can't be scientific until the existence of a deity that cares about Earth is proven.
@FiverBeyond I don't see why you feel it necessary to validate this fucktarded troll. He is repeating the same debunked arguments that we've been trouncing for years. Let him have his magical fairy tales until he grows out of them, and let him waste the only life he's got trying to attain eternal life like the self-centered have been doing for ages. Yes I know the dangers of religion- I was a funduhmental fucktard for years! But I really think this guy's a little, erm, 'special.' XD
Did you know that the species Amoeba protea has 290 billion base pairs in its genome, while the related Polychaos dubium (formerly known as Amoeba dubia) has 670 billion base pairs. The human genome is small by contrast, with its count of 2.9 billion base pairs.
So in a way some Amoeba is infinitely more complex the us.
One thing to note is that just because pair exist doesn't mean they serve a purpose. We have psudeogenes and major organs in our body that are just there because we have evolved past the use for them. Sometimes simplicity is a strong evolutionary trait.
I always thought Eugene was a man's name... regardless... I'd love to know if that political statement was intended or not. It really seemed like it was (and was rather brilliant I might add), but she really acted like she did not mean it. I would also like to say that the guy in the background added to this humor quite well. I loved his expression as he caught on, lmao!
skywize 1 month ago
@skywize It was a Eugenian Slip... ;-)
fsmtdaler 2 weeks ago
A far worse problem is the lack of acknowledgement by scientist that the was an experiment that was started in the USA called liberty. Most of them don't get the concept that you cannot violate the laws of physics and print wealth out of a printing press. They should understand not to tread on other peoples experiments of liberty. Most are authoritarian central planners who hate liberty and support government
upgrade01a 3 months ago
@upgrade01a
Evolution has been accepted and observable science for a hundred years. The fossil record and now DNA are amazing in showing us the history of it, but we can actually watch it happen in animals with extremely fast birth and death rates. We've even observed speciation several times. That it happens is not questioned.
To officially mark it, on a government level, as somehow suspect purely for the benefit of certain religious fundamentalists would deeply violate the constitution.
Ryakki 2 months ago
Excellent reply. "Political chicanery." :P
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"All the evidence available in the biological sciences supports the core proposition of traditional natural theology--that the cosmos is a specially designed whole with life and mankind as its fundamental goal and purpose, a whole in which all facets of reality, from the size of galaxies to the thermal capacity of water, have their meaning and explanation in this central fact."(p. 389) - Nature's Destiny by Michael Denton
achilles197474 3 months ago
she didnt actually explain anything there O_o
stiimuli 4 months ago
Ehem....derp derpp de durpity durp.
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That was a very good Q&A.
garyoster 5 months ago
That was a very good Q&A.
garyoster 5 months ago
Laying the fkn smack down on those cunts
shandcunt 5 months ago
"Certainly, just like you can teach examples of political chicanery." OMFG!! For the win.
SantaCruzOM 6 months ago
Lets be realistic here. The real issue is that there is a bureaucracy running our education system. How has this slipped past people unnoticed?
All while we are debating these psychopaths on the field, they represent fascist, ideological authoritarianism.
knowwaie 6 months ago
@knowwaie a system by definition needs a bureaucracy
aierce 6 months ago
No kidding.... Where did i say bureaucracy is bad? i specifically said "a bureaucracy running our education system".... It was the "running our education" part that i was talking about
Are you retarded, sir?
knowwaie 6 months ago
Eugenie Scott for President 2012!
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
Eugenie Scott is so awesome. I loved her little Zinger there. She is what a science teacher should be. Along with Carl Sagan, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Ken Miller.
brewerbrian420 6 months ago
There is no settled theory of evolution, and the biologists have quit using the word Darwinism. You can be a biologist in good standing no matter what evolutionary theory you embrace so long as a deity is not involved.
luftigus 6 months ago
I have been proposing a 'win a date win Eugenie Scott' contest...but I just found out that she is married.
psb1964 6 months ago
its kind of ironic that this discussion took place in texas, a (former) oil state. imo products made out of oil shouldnt be sold to creationists. the remainings of animals and plants who existed million of million years before humanity shouldnt be sold to people who dont believe in their existence.
simplejacko 6 months ago
americans...
Darusdei 7 months ago
It seems that a pre-requisite to getting on the Texas board of education is that you must have received no education yourself.
ragerancher 8 months ago 6
Well done, Ms. Scott! Common sense is a dangerous thing for people who think it does not belong in the classroom.
mickmizzou 9 months ago
00:56 "just like you can teach examples of political chicanery" fucking brilliant! =)
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Listen to the scientists. Mutations result in a loss of information in the genome. Read J. C. Sanford's Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of Genome. Sanford has 25 genetic patents, and is the inventor of the gene gun. He thoroughly refutes the belief that evolution results from "good" mutations selection by nature. There are many reviews of Sanford's book on Amazon.
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Novel about an alternative view of evolution see video book trailer
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Eugenie Scott is a liar and fraud. Arguingwith Meyers on MSNBC, she said there are no peer reviewed articles on intelligent design, when there are; Meyers; article, or example. When Meyers proved her wrong on that point, she mentioned his article never mentions ID. Again, it does explicitly state intelligent design, design,etc
ChristianMission 1 year ago
@ChristianMission thanks for the laugh
xn117 1 year ago
@ChristianMission
"she said there are no peer reviewed articles on intelligent design"
And she's right: there aren't.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
@ChristianMission please reference a credible scientific journal such as "science" or "nature" which has a peer review system in place and has published articles on intelligent design. you say she is a liar but she is COMPLETELY CORRECT. or did you get all the bullshit about intelligent design being big in the scientific community from your preacher
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@ChristianMission There are NO peer reviewed papers about intelligent design. There are several articles which use the term without defining it, or refer indirectly to "design" without saying what that is supposed to mean, and there are plenty of letters to editors, but there are no, repeat no, peer-reviewed scientific papers in credible journals that provide evidence for, explanations of, or data about, the vacuous nonsense called "Intelligent Design". None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Bupkis.
puffin02 1 year ago
Shes not that good...
swisscheesepotatochi 1 year ago
@swisscheesepotatochi OH yes she is!
acme181169 1 year ago
...goddammit texas
Chuckles543 1 year ago
These are the people that should be locked up 4 Life! Mrs scott
mironyuk 1 year ago
and the money shot @ 0:58
MauricXe 1 year ago
'Funny how a lot of self-proclaimed Creationists don't seem to have much trouble believing in evolution, when it involves somthing like getting vaccinated for a new strain of the Flu virus.
SinnFein4ever 1 year ago 2
What a fantastic woman.
logsdonj 1 year ago 29
@logsdonj i don't like evolution
OldaurGold 2 months ago
@OldaurGold Cool. I don't like Organic Chemistry.
logsdonj 2 months ago
She could spend several lifetimes explaining this to those willingly ignorant clowns. No wonder the rest of the world thinks we're stupid.
Ruddy07011 1 year ago
I heard McLeroy's voice off-camera. The dentist who thinks he is more qualified to judge reality than all of the world's scientists put together.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne
Can you believe that ignorant jackass? it's hard to believe that people still think like that. It's like they're stuck in the bronze age.
Ruddy07011 1 year ago
They are stuck in the Bronze Age. Indeed, they actively work for a return to it.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago 3
"...That wasn't an editorial comment..." And yet it was.
Prof. Scott is great. She's like a less abrasive Richard Dawkins.
DrThunder88 1 year ago 2
Teaching the weaknesses of a Theory is an essential part of teaching a Theory altogether. This is what religious bigots fail to grasp.
One of the first examples of Evolution I was presented with was the famous "Piltdown man" (a fraud consisting of the jaw of a man and the skull of an ape) to explain how mistakes (or intentional fakes) can be presented and how science works to debunk them.
There are also a lot of flaws in the theories of Physics, but no one attacks those with zealous energy.
Unicron4ever 1 year ago
@Unicron4ever There are also more "flaws" in the Theory of Gravity and less is known of the process of gravity than the evolutionary process. Therefore, we need to teach "Intelligent Falling" as an alternative theory to the young skulls full of mush.
jknengr796 1 year ago
@jknengr796 I believe by "intelligent falling" you meant "intelligence failing" :D
ragerancher 8 months ago
When scientists are testing a particular process which they think is natural selection’s purposeless process, in reality they are not evaluating natural selection’s abilities, but their own abilities. Put simply, they fool themselves repeatedly into believing that what they do is what natural selection does, and in turn fool their students and the public as well.
MirabiliaMania 1 year ago
@MirabiliaMania That would be a quaint notion if there where not many forms of evidence for evolution and natural selection available spanning many disciplines of science.
aaronzvz 1 year ago
@MirabiliaMania you are a better lawyer than speaker of reasoned thought. Semantic analysis of words is your forte. Many humans believe a picture is worth many of your words, me included.
IntuitiveLeap 1 year ago
I love this woman.
kidhadoken 1 year ago
@kidhadoken
Ditto, Eugenie rocks!
OnTheFritz602 1 year ago
The TxBOE has the same IQ as a sack of empty walnut shells. It is embarrassing.
yeshuahfullofit 1 year ago 2
I love you Genie. You are so incredibly awesome! Thank you for fighting teh stupid for all of us.
LilaMae217 1 year ago
How can a 'board of education' be so stupid? Only in Texas.
Tradd9 1 year ago 2
@51 he justs wants to make evolution look dumb when they teach it in schools
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
It's like talking to a wall. A wall of stupid.
With people who are dumber than ditchwater passing education standards, its only a matter of time before the US sinks to the doldrums of world education.
singring76 1 year ago
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bslatner 1 year ago
No matter how well detailed and intelligent her explanation is, it's like water of a duck's back to the fundies because all they know is "God's Word is the Truth", therefore debunking any critical thinking or humanist approach.
ffairlane57 1 year ago
USA is the saudie-Arabia of the west...and yes, that's a huge insult towards them but slowly but certain they freaking deserve it.
Londron 1 year ago
I love her, in a love-the-celebrity-in-a-non-creepy-way sort of way. :)
AtheistdotEDU 1 year ago
I believe they should teach both sides of every issue.
Astrology vs Astronomy
Flat Earth vs Round Earth
Shamonism vs Medical Science
And we can expand it to other subjects as well. Lets deny the holocaust and the civil war because some people don't believe they happened.
Houshalter 1 year ago 3
What legicimaty does the Texas Board of Education have when the head of it is a fucking dentist?
byteresistor 1 year ago
America is the land of contradictions. Texas is the epitome of this: on the one hand you have spectacular scientists working for NASA and the JPL. On the other hand, you have baboons wielding bibles as if they were scientific textbooks. So sad.
Narwal88 1 year ago 2
We cannot judge the whole of this country by the blemish that is Texas.
steagle1017 1 year ago 3
@steagle1017 America fought a big war with Mexico over Texas. The US lost and were forced to keep Texas.
gamesbok 10 months ago 51
@gamesbok - Hey, not so fast. Mexico is slowly taking it back without a fight.
fliegeroh 9 months ago
@gamesbok
texas ...the oil and gas energy capital of the world
robocong7420 5 months ago
@robocong7420 Saudi Arabia.
thealienwriter 5 months ago
@thealienwriter
nope. the oil companies are based in houston texas, not in saudi
robocong7420 5 months ago
@robocong7420 So, the Saudi Oil Ministry is based in Houston?
thealienwriter 5 months ago
@thealienwriter
oil companies in houston, Texas
Exxon, BP, Shell, conoco phillips, lyondell citgo, saudi aramco, valero, halliburton, marathon oil, KBR...
robocong7420 5 months ago
@robocong7420 Uh-huh. And none of them produce as much oil as Saudi Arabia.
thealienwriter 5 months ago
@thealienwriter
russia's the largest oil producer, not saudi. who's producing russian oil? american oil companies like exxonmobil, one of the 5,000 or so oil and gas companies in houston, the world energy capital. i think we'll hang on to texas, but maybe we can give cali back to the mexicans
robocong7420 5 months ago
@robocong7420 It was also American and European technology that found and originally extracted the oil in The Middle East, too; the original company was called "Aramco"; "Arab-American Oil Company."
SatchmoSings 5 months ago
@robocong7420 Oh, I forgot; Texas, each day, produces about as much oil as Saudi Arabia does, it's just that this country's thirst for oil vastly exceeds this.
SatchmoSings 5 months ago
@SatchmoSings
the technological infrastructure and engineering expertise of houston in the oil & gas industry world famous. i think we should hang on to texas, but perhaps give california back to mexico
robocong7420 5 months ago
@robocong7420 I drove a taxicab for some years and I'm inclined to agree with you; too many Californians were just plain very weird; Texans were much more down-to-earth and were also better tippers.
SatchmoSings 5 months ago
@SatchmoSings
also i've heard the women in southern california are plain bitches
robocong7420 5 months ago
@robocong7420 I don't know about bitches but air-heads, yes.
SatchmoSings 4 months ago
@SatchmoSings
cum addicted air headed bitches, that's what i heard they are
robocong7420 4 months ago
@robocong7420 I personally don't like when people say "I heard" or "they say."
I view this as an inability to take any responsibility for one's own opinions and/or convictions.
You may have "I heard" and I have my own experience as a taxi driver, not that my sampling of Southern Californians visiting NYC can be necessarily accurate; either way I didn't care for them and vastly preferred Texans who came from west of where "the cactus line" starts.
SatchmoSings 4 months ago
@SatchmoSings
you personally dont like when people speak facts? okey dokey
robocong7420 4 months ago
@robocong7420 I explained myself quite clearly; if you wish to go "off on a riff" it's because "I heard" that you've never been laid and, overall don't do well with women so you basically lean towards misogyny.
That's what "I heard."
“Definitions are the guardians of rationality, the first line of defense against the chaos of mental disintegration." Ayn Rand.
Sounds like you're well on your way towards "the chaos of mental disintegration."
That's what "I heard."
SatchmoSings 4 months ago
@SatchmoSings Some of the stupidist people live in the South, Incl. Texas. She wouldn't have a job without Texans.
gregrutz 4 months ago
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SatchmoSings 4 months ago
I love her, so honest and intelligent. You can just see it a mile away that these bible thumping bigots have no interest in facts or truth, they just want to push their political agenda down people's throats.
KarmaKahn 1 year ago 2
Us Americans are really going to wish we made better decisions about educating our children when we're a third world nation.
TheSirBoyKing 1 year ago
@TheSirBoyKing, third world nation? The standard of living has only rose higher and higher over the last 100 years. There's no reason to believe it will stop.
Houshalter 1 year ago
@Houshalter -- yeah -- " has only rose higher."
Ever hear of the tipping point? When you are falling off a 50 story building, I guess at the 25th floor, since you are still alive, there is no reason to think things are going to end badly either. Do the words "Rise and Fall of ...." have any meaning to you?
smythdav 1 year ago
@smythdav, not in this day and age. The worst economic depression was in the 30's, and it was because of government interference, and look how we recovered.
Look, I'm not saying it can't happen, there could be a nuclear war tommorow for all anybody knows, but there's no use being paranoid about it when there's no evidence. Zero-sum thinking is a fallacy.
Houshalter 1 year ago
People are absolutely STUPID if they don't believe in evolution. Honestly It is so straight forward too, survival of the fittest and evolve to adapt to new life styles for billions of years all living creatures have done this.
LordNorfick 1 year ago
Go Genie!
freethinker923 1 year ago
The thing I love about this, is that the Texas SBOE has opened a Pandora's Box for themselves that they are not equipped to handle. In winning this battle they've set themselves up for crushing defeat from those whom previously just ignored them.
I love how the board members act so smug and intelligent when 80% of the developed world is laughing at them.
newage12us 1 year ago
Texas, the lone star state....now widely known as THE LOON STAR STATE.
Hypoguest 1 year ago 5
Here we have ignorant people infecting the minds of a whole generation of children with the utmost nonsense about a man in the sky who created a universe by merely wishing it into existence....though no explanation is given for this magic man appart from ''he's always existed''. This proves that a gang who believe clap-trap is self supporting. These are the American Taliban.
Disgraceful.
Hypoguest 1 year ago
I am from Houston, Texas and I have never been ashamed of my state before. they're going to change slavery to atlantic triangle trade. WTF
landesal 1 year ago 3
@landesal See, as an English person, I don't get that about "atlantic triangle trade". Does this mean that teachers will be forbidden to teach the truth, to mention slavery or something?
queenastilon 1 year ago
@queenastilon the answer is yes. you know how they teach us that the atlantic triangle trade involved for examples herbs from south America and new seeds from Europe, and thanks to TEA; SLAVES which is not true. Yes, slavery was something that the three continents were involved in. however it was not part of the trade itself.
landesal 1 year ago
"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
He should have taken four stages. Forth, it is attacked by some ridiculous idea.
wimscheers 1 year ago 2
Eugenie ROCKS !!!
nolobede 1 year ago
she held her ground. good job.
GeoWing2 1 year ago
Eugenie Scott PWNS!!!
MagnusIan 1 year ago
If creationism or something similar eventually makes it into the american classrooms then the United States will have one of the worst education programs worldwide even behind many third world countries. I wouldn't be surprised if their next goal was to place the (flat)earth back in the center of the solar system.
Staldren 1 year ago 7
@Staldren Apparently you are not aware of this, but creationism was taught in American schools until the mid 1960's. Prior to the 1970's we had some of the best schools in the world. I won't say the two are connected, but I will say history has proven you wrong already. Do you study history in Spain? Or are you just taught to make up whatever you feels best?
gcnengineer 1 year ago
@gcnengineer I'm aware of that, but you can't be serious if you are trying to compare the mid 60s with 2010. Even third world countries with very religious cultures have switched to secular education programs in recent years. Maybe you don't mind going back to 1960, but contrary to the american perception, there is a world outside your borders and it is moving forward.
Staldren 1 year ago 2
@Staldren Not at all, what I said was clear.you said, " If creationism or something similar eventually makes it into the american classrooms then the United States will have one of the worst education programs worldwide even behind many third world countries." I said history proves that is wrong. There I said it again. Did you get it this time?
gcnengineer 1 year ago
@gcnengineer Wow... you are the one who needs to re-read dude, Im talking in future: if creationism makes it into the american classrooms then the United States will have one of the worst education programs worldwide. How can history prove me wrong? This is not 1960, time didn't stop, it is 2010. Then if I say face transplant is possible I'm wrong, history proves me wrong cause it wasn't possible in 1960, what kind of reasoning is that? just wow...
Staldren 1 year ago
@Staldren I know, when you're under 30 years old you tend to think that days gone by people were different. When you get older you begin to realize the difference is the situations people are in. The hisory lesson is valid, perhaps one day you'll understand. Thanks for you wows
gcnengineer 1 year ago
@gcnengineer
I'm not convinced creationism was taught in public schools. Either way, the question of what is taught concerning origins is different from the question of how good the school is overall.
Mortison77577 1 year ago
@Mortison77577 You're probably too young to remember that. In fact, teachers had to affirm a belief in God to be a teacher. So it wasn't a matter of how good the school was. But these are things you can look up. Good luck.
gcnengineer 1 year ago
@gcnengineer
Affirming a belief in God is different from teaching the biblical account of creation in a biology class. I'm not convinced they ever did that. I suspect they just left origins out of biology class.
Mortison77577 1 year ago
@lordnimr0d i know... its funnier watching her blather on youtube because reading about it will leave doubts as to whether it is exaggerated or not. my wife watches the view and that scares me a little too
mynameisweiner 1 year ago
@lordnimr0d as sherri shepherd said: "i dont think anything predates christians"
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mynameisweiner 1 year ago
In the movie 2010 humans are already visiting Jupiter and routinely visit the moon. Why hasn't this happened in real life? Because the education system is bogged down by absolute idiots who think it is their role to push forward their bronze age beliefs in classrooms.
mynameisweiner 1 year ago 3
Great gal, held her ground elegantly in front of those retards.
ARadicalAliensNoun 1 year ago 102
@ARadicalAliensNoun
Obama should give her the medal of freedom
Ruddy07011 1 year ago 2
Nope, not an editorial comment... just a freudian slip. I love E.C. Scott!!!
TheAtomicist42 1 year ago
Abe Lincoln and Charles Darwin were born on the very same day. One set free the physically enslaved while the other set free the mentally enslaved. 80% of the scientific world recognized evolution as the true history of life on earth within only 20 years from the time Darwin laid it all out. Most influential book in history.
"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
NoGoodThingEverDies 1 year ago 4
Nice quote. I find it interesting that you can read it backwards and it lays out the stages religions go through. First it is accepted as self-evident. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is ridiculed.
CheezDipPAK 1 year ago 2
@NoGoodThingEverDies Damn dude, couldn't have said it better.
TheAtomicist42 1 year ago
what a nice lady
nocturnalsamurai1000 1 year ago
and we wonder why the rest of the world is beating America in math and science.
thudmother 1 year ago 83
@thudmother 2+2=4
But I thought 2+2=5! Teach the controversy!
What controversy?
... DON'T OPPRESS ME!!
ragerancher 8 months ago 4
@ragerancher hahaha so true... so true...
ItsEasyIfYouThink 8 months ago
heres a fun argument for all you devout evolutionists out there, you all believe that gradual changes leading up to man lead to many different species, so than how is it that the human brain is infinitely more complex than any other living thing on earth? and before you you start with all that "missing link" crap, just let me say that you would need a LOT of missing links to make a difference that big
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
Ah, but that's the thing... the human brain ISN'T 'infinitely' more complex than any other living thing. If you look at the physiological differences, our brains are actually very similar to chimpanzees and other apes.
Now, it's obvious that there's an incredible jump in capability there, but from a biological standpoint, you might as well simply lay that ape brains are 'infinitely more complex' than anything else.
FiverBeyond 1 year ago
thats where your wrong though, while they might be biologically similar, but the seemingly tiny differences in the human brain that allow us to think, reason, and comprehend are what makes the human brain so much more complex the that of a chimp, which as i said, in the theory of evolution would mean hundreds and hundreds of missing links
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
Like you said, they are "biologically similar".
But even on the complexity level, if you look at the structures and makeup of the brain, the similarities between us and chimps are absolutely astonishing. The chief difference is simply quantity of neurons!
It feels as if you are claiming that our brains are more complex from a philosophical standpoint, rather than a taxonomical, biological, or neurological one.
As for hundreds of missing links: we've got em!
FiverBeyond 1 year ago
the same structures are there yes, but what you dont realize is how much more is in those structures for a man than for a chimp, and as far as your missing links, if evolution really took billions and billions of years, dont you think its funny that we find dinosaur fossils in a decent abundance, and yet for some reason humaniod fossils (which supposedly came after the dinosaurs) are very seldomly found? and even when they are found archeologists arent able to confirm they arent human just bones
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
It's funny you should mention that... because this distinctly fulfills a prediction of evolution.
You see, I ask about this on my video: watch?v=0c4KI9RtoBk
No one has given me a source on this fact yet (that so many more dinosaur bones have been found than hominids) and I've been looking for one! Perhaps you would be so kind as to cite one?
FiverBeyond 1 year ago
@FiverBeyond Are you seriously asking why there are more examples from 500 identified genera (probably 2400 in total) of Dinosauria = Ornithischia + Saurischia", covering 5 continents for more than 170 million years?
gamesbok 9 months ago
@gamesbok
No, of course not: I'm asking for a definitive source to this claim. In other words, I'm asking for any well accredited source that gives the number of dinosaur fossil finds, and the number of hominid finds. My point is that with Dinosauria being such an sizeable 'superorder', it stands to reason that there should be many, many more dinosaur fossils found than hominid fossils (with some leeway granted for the fact that older fossils tend to be more rare).
FiverBeyond 9 months ago
@FiverBeyond My apologies, my post should have been directed at Ckckfkfk. I would point out that fossil formation and preservation is extreamly arbitrary. We just have the one Burgess Shaleof such quality, only one Yixian formation so far. How the hell we have any hominids from a continent awash with hyena defeats me.
gamesbok 9 months ago
can you provide even 1 example of a transitionary fossil that proves undeniably that one species actually changed into a different species? if evolution is true, there should millions. Dr collin Patterson even said, and i quote "I will lay it on the line- there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument, it is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another" Harper's 1984, p 56, this argument must be getting pretty frustrating for you
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
Yes, yes... I've heard that 25-year-old Patterson quote over and over and over again.
As for naming one transitional form? Certainly:
Paratomarctus
Oh, but I'm afraid that your definition of 'transitional form' is quite incorrect. Look it up! You see, no transitional form "proves undeniably" that one species changed into a different species. That's not how science works. Nothing in science is 'proved undeniably' (not even gravity!)... instead we go with evidence.
FiverBeyond 1 year ago
and heres the folly of evolutionists, think about what you said there, now think about how many times youve claimed evolution as a fact, dont look now, but your hypocrysy is showing
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
@ckckfkfk FUCKTARD.
TheAtomicist42 1 year ago
one last thing, it is proven that the bible was written over 3500 years ago, it held countless prophecies about israel, if you read these prophecies and ask a historian about different points in israels history, these prophecies did in fact come to pass, and perhaps the most astonishing is that 2000 years after israel dissapeared, they return in 1948, & since than, they have fought & won 6 wars for their survival, which is funny because the bible describes them in this time as "undefeatable"
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
Ah... and now we get to the real source of the issue. You're not interested in evolution from a biology perspective... you're just trying to vindicate a particular interpretation of the Bible. Now it all makes sense...
Now, I've studied the Bible, and the history of Biblical manuscripts to some degree, and I am very surprised by your claim that it was written over 3,500 years ago. The First Kings (Saul, David, Solomon) only reigned 3,000 years ago, and most of the Bible was written afterwards.
FiverBeyond 1 year ago 3
look again, the bible is much older than you think, this is classic evolutionist making claims they cannot support to further their argument, and even if this did hold true, it would not explain the modern day events involving israel, the odds of a 2000 year old nation rising from the ashes of history only to be attacked by 7 surrounding nations a day after reforming and 2 years later defeating all of them and has since than not lost a single war.... very slim odds there
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
I'm afraid I did look, as to the age of the Bible. I'm shocked that you disagree on this, because most Christians don't:
The New Testament was written a little less than 2000 years ago, but certainly NOT 3,500 years ago.
The First Kings (Including Samuel 1 and 2, Kings 1 and 2, etc) were only about 3,000 years ago, and the Prophets (Isaiah - Malachi) were even later! The Babylonian Captivity (including Ezra, Nehemiah, and Daniel) was only 2,600 years ago.
Only certain texts are older.
FiverBeyond 1 year ago
oh, i see what your saying, my mistake, i misunderstood you, but no, the prophecies about israel were told from genesis all the way through dueteronomy, the new testament (as the name suggests) is obvously newer, the actual events may have been told in more detail in the late books, but they were foretold long before any of those books of the bible were written
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
@ckckfkfk
- what are the precise predictions made
- can you conclusively say that they were not simpyl added in at a later date?
- No prophecy in the bible has ever been shown to be genuine, there is no reason to believe any of them are either vague interpretation and postdiction
types10000 1 year ago
-he would make a nation out of a people who were "not a people" (israel)
-he would take them out of egyptian captivity
-he bring them into a land and establish them as a mighty nation
-their enemies would take them into captivity when they turned their backs on him
-they would cease to exist as a sign of his discipline
and the current day events i described in the above comments, israels history does in fact fullfill all these prophecies to the letter
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
- isnt it funny how it doesnt mention any names dates or even people?
- You have put a spin on this ALREADY cague translation to try to make it fit something that has actually occured.
types10000 1 year ago
and to say these prophecies were probably written after they happend kinda makes you sound stupid, new versions of the bible may exist with slightly different wording, but as a whole they say the same things, and anyway, ancient manuscripts do exist disproving your claim that the bible has been added upon
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
- postdiction is rife in ancient mythology, not just christianity...to the point where it was given it's own term 'postdiction'. if you cannot demonstrate how your verse is free from postdiction then why should we believe that it is? i mean it's a valid question, how do we know the prophecy came before the event?
- how do you know that the alleged prophecy in the multiple versions of the bible is not based on manuscripts that were written after the event? what is your proof of this?
types10000 1 year ago
you sure seem to have a lot of "what if" situations going on here, and theres not much of a way i can argue that, it would be like me saying, "well what if someone is changing claiming that your fossils are older than they actually are?" you cant argue that, there is no no way, personally, i have no reason to believe anyone wrote these things after they happend. and as far as being vague, they arent, tell, what is vague about "deliverance from egyptian captivity"
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
my 'what if' scenarios are credible question that you need to answer for your claims to meet their burden of proof. you have made an extraordinary claim and now need to provide extraordinary evidence to prove it's credibility in this case, proof it is not postdiction or creatively interpreted.
EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS require EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE.
types10000 1 year ago
thats exactly where evolution fails, all this supposed "evidence" can just as easily serve as evidence for creation. & i have backed up my claims with evidence, but as i said, there isnt a way i can argue if you say "well someone could have done this". ultimately there is no evidence to support your claim of postdiction. in the end, i have no intelligent way to argue in unintelligent argument. it can be a valid concern, with evidence, but there is none, therefore, it is an unintelligent argument
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
"can just as easily serve as evidence for creation" - ah, no.
infact when i debate creationists i make a point of choosing evidence that can ONLY be explained via evolution.
- ERV's
- human chromosome number 2's vestigial telemeres and additional centrimere
- the fact macroevolution is a logical necessity of microevolution
- the fact our relatedness to chimps is determined using the same technology as paternity tests
- the fact archeopteryx exhibits traits of both dinosaurs and birds.
types10000 1 year ago
okay, sure, these things could point to evolution, but they could also point to intelligent design. Evolutionists consistantly argue that dna sequences point to evolution, but they ignore (as you did above) that these things could also point to a god using similar parts and pieces to make up everything. think, if you saw a tv and computer for the first time, would you assume that one evolved from the other, or would you assume they were both created using a similar design?
ckckfkfk 1 year ago
" but they could also point to intelligent design" - no, the reason i use them is because those specific examples CANNOT be accounted for by intelligent design.
- incorrect, i never once stated that genetic simularity is evidence of relatedness. i said the technology used to dermine our relatedness to chimps is the same technology as that used in paternity tests.
- you are once again comparing mad-made objects to biological ones, the camparison IS NOT VALID.
types10000 1 year ago 3
ERV's - viral fragments that can only be accounted for by common ancestery. They only get into the genome one way.
Human chromosome number 2 - has vestigial telemeres and centrimeres indicating that a fusion took place (which fits in perfectly with evolution which explains it as the fusion of chimp chromsome 2p and 2q). ID has no reason for fusion.
Relatedness to chimps determined using same tech as paternity tests is also bery straight forward and not base on overall 'simularity'
types10000 1 year ago 3
an animal that exhibits traits of two destinct 'kinds' should not exist. however the existance archeopteryx fits in perfectly with evolution.
types10000 1 year ago 3
so no, your claim that the evidence is as much of that of a designer as it is for evolution is false.
the evidence i have presented can ONLY be explained via evolution.
types10000 1 year ago
ckckfkfk--
You're not being very honest; the theological, creationist position has ALWAYS been that of uniqueness; your deviation from that is quite remarkable but not the least bit, ultimately, unexpected.
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
If this comes out harsh. Please feel free to be offended. But take your eyes out of that pathetic book, written decades after the supposed events.
Instead, look up, Into the heavens. The light from the sun takes 8 minutes to get to earth. In our system of 8 planets. It takes over 2 years to get to the next star. To get it across the galaxy it takes another 100.000y. Think about that. There are maybe 400billion stars in our own galaxy. The next galaxy is 2.4 million ly away. Of which *cont*
Muthsera80 1 year ago 5
*cont*
there are maybe 100 billion galaxies spanned over 93 Billion light years. And yet. Here you sit. Imagining the supposed creator of all this. With all those galaxies, solar systems, planets and potential civilized forms of life. YOU, and only those who agree with YOUR view. Are the chosen ones. How pathetically arrogant. And even more so, you have the audacity to ask this being to help you out in prayers. Because your good..
Be rational.... ..
Muthsera80 1 year ago 9
". ultimately there is no evidence to support your claim of postdiction" - actually you have made the claim that you have prophecies which occur before the events themselves. EXTRAORDINARY claims require EXTRORDINARY evidence before they can be believed logically.
for instance whilst you may believe me if i said there is a cat hiding under my bed you would obviously require more evidence if i said there was a pink dragon hiding under my bed.
types10000 1 year ago
- the burden of proof that your claims about prophecies need to meet is proof that it is free from postdiction and creative interpretation :)
types10000 1 year ago
"thats exactly where evolution fails"
ckckfkfk, YOU fail to grasp common sense. Congratulations, moron.
MagnusIan 1 year ago 4
I think there is more evidence to support evolution than there is to support gravity.
As far as I know there hasn't been a book written in the past 10 years written by a credible Creationist scientist to dispute evolution. If there is please let me know I would love to read it for a good laugh.
D3athCr33ps 1 year ago
Well if there were to come any scientific evidence against Evolution it'd be in no way shape or form linked to creationism/ID. I can't imagine what it'd be, creationism/ID can't be scientific until the existence of a deity that cares about Earth is proven.
MyTemporaryAccount88 1 year ago 3
none of the alleged prophecies in the bible have been shown to be free from postdiction or creative interpretation.
types10000 1 year ago
@FiverBeyond I don't see why you feel it necessary to validate this fucktarded troll. He is repeating the same debunked arguments that we've been trouncing for years. Let him have his magical fairy tales until he grows out of them, and let him waste the only life he's got trying to attain eternal life like the self-centered have been doing for ages. Yes I know the dangers of religion- I was a funduhmental fucktard for years! But I really think this guy's a little, erm, 'special.' XD
TheAtomicist42 1 year ago
Did you know that the species Amoeba protea has 290 billion base pairs in its genome, while the related Polychaos dubium (formerly known as Amoeba dubia) has 670 billion base pairs. The human genome is small by contrast, with its count of 2.9 billion base pairs.
So in a way some Amoeba is infinitely more complex the us.
Not sure what this proves...
stefansv 1 year ago
One thing to note is that just because pair exist doesn't mean they serve a purpose. We have psudeogenes and major organs in our body that are just there because we have evolved past the use for them. Sometimes simplicity is a strong evolutionary trait.
D3athCr33ps 1 year ago