Fire ravages Beijing building

[MetalSanke]

Wow, are you idiots going to compare every fire to 9/11? LOL

[djjnuk]

@MetalSanke no just the ones that back up the fact that buildings dont turn to dust from a fire.

the truth must be known and we will never stop until it comes out.

i dont kno about u but the truth about the biggest terrorist attack in history is pretty important to me

[mickeystwin]

that was a dutch argitect's work.. UGH

[bpak5]

Of course it did not fall it was not explosive demolition like WTC, look at the videos and case studies from engineers and scientists posted all over the web if you dont believe WTC was not imploded. this was just a fire.

[WTFaboutWTC7]

But what about thermal expansion... : )

[newdad1107]

Fireproofing prevented thermal expansion.

[newdad1107]

It most likely had fireproofed steel that wasnt hit by a 767 either. And before you launch into a tirade about how I havent done the research or im close minded and blah blah blah. Take into consideration the amount of explosives needed to do a top down implosion like the WTC and then tell me how they did it unnoticed. Drilling holes in the floor to break up the concrete. Lacing every column with explosives over atleast 160 floors combined. Please im all ears.

[WTFaboutWTC7]

If you are open minded...

You should understand first that it couldn't have been anything else than controled demolitions. you can get to understand it at;

w w w . a e 9 1 1 t r u t h . o r g

Don't begin to speculate on who or how they must have done it.

First look at the evidence.

Everyting else is just speculation.

And leads to nothing.

[newdad1107]

BOOM! Did I call that or what you are playing it right out of the truthers manual for ineffective debating. Went straight to the argument that if I dont agree with you I am close minded which closes your mind to any debate doesnt it? Because if anyone disagrees with you, you have already set up the bar for them to be close minded. Think for yourself for once. Dont tell me to open my mind while yours is sealed up tight. Read a book, take a class and learn for yourself.

[WTFaboutWTC7]

You can believe what ever you want to believe...

[newdad1107]

I am marking this as a first. You are the first truther I have seen to deal with a debate so maturely. You didnt move on to calling me a zionist or that I work for the government or something like that.  Ironically believe what you ever you want to believe is the most truthful thing a truther has ever wanted. I think the main contestation with most people is when these beliefs are stated as facts and when we try to present facts that shoot down your facts you guys get unruly to put it nicely.

[WTFaboutWTC7]

You 'on the other hand, lable me a truther.

To me, the controled demolitions are a fact. Othewise we would have to rewrite the laws of physiscs.

To me, it is impossible to crash two planes into TWO steelframe skyscrapers and make THREE of them totally deisintgrate at nearly freefall speed completely down to the ground without explosives being involved.

And I'm not alone in this.

And even if I was, even if I would be a minority of one, the truth would still be the truth.

[newdad1107]

Well if you're not a truther you sure as shit are wearing the uniform. I dont know if they need to rewrite any physics books but they do need to rewrite the fire engineering books, AS A MATTER OF FACT, they have rewritten them based on what they learned from 9-11.

hat I have learned is you dont take long span steel trusses and stack tons of shit onto them then start a fire underneath unprotected steel. I know you arent alone in this you never get a can of nuts open it up and there be just 1.

[WTFaboutWTC7]

Now I'm a nut?

One of the aspects that made me understand it could only have been controled demolitions is the fact that 'If you look at the exact start of the collaps, the moment of the collapse where you see the roofline and all four corners of the building starting to drop symetrically in to the direction of the columns. In to the direction of most resistance. Now to accomplish that, wouldnt all columns somewhere underneath have to be cut in the exact same fraction of a second?

[newdad1107]

Then how exactly do you explain the bowing of the structure prior to collapse? How did any explosives survive the plane impact? And to repeat my previous question How was the building wired an nobody notice?

[WTFaboutWTC7]

You didnt answer my question. It stands for all three buildings.

It's this first fraction of the second wich completely undermines the official theory.

Instead of answering my question you go right on to the next one.

Sorry, but I dont give any answers to questions one can only speculate on.

Speculation doesnt get you anywhere.

[newdad1107]

"To me, it is impossible to crash two planes into TWO steelframe skyscrapers and make THREE of them totally deisintgrate at nearly freefall speed completely down to the ground without explosives being involved."

Thats speculation, just the simple incinuation that it was a controlled demolition is speculation because you have no evidence. I have evidence it was a collapse but apparently the NIST and millions of experts opinions arent good enough.

[WTFaboutWTC7]

It's not speculation because I know explosives had te be used. Simply based an the question you're not answering. There is only one answer to that question. And THAT is the evidence.

But this can go on a long time if I say this is an apple, and you say no, it's an orange. How can I prove to you it really is an apple, if you keep saying it's an orange?

watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

[newdad1107]

So what makes you qualified to make that assessment? Are you a demolitions expert? A structural or civil engineer? What experience do you have with structural steel? What about your knowledge of buildings built to withstand sheer loads? Fire engineering? Anything besides a youtube video to back up your statements?

[WTFaboutWTC7]

Funny for you to ask that. On the site AE911truth org you can find a few architects and engineers who support this theory. Or do you lable these as conspiracy theorists?

And, yes I'm an engineer also. For over 20 years now at the same company. Without a degree!!!! But with just as much or maybe even more knowledge as colleagues of mine with a degree.

You still haven't answered my question...

[newdad1107]

Something from a newspaper or book preferrably anyone can put anything on the net. Speaking of which, since you are an engineer you could easily prove that, could you provide your professional license number all engineers have to work in the engineering field? Then I can look you up in the registry and everything will be settled. Even without a degree you are required to have one. Im waiting....

[WTFaboutWTC7]

If you sincerely haven't seen the material that's on AE911TRUTH org I advise you to do so and Watch?v=rW6Oez7pag0 for example.

And I don't have to prove you anything.

You can take my word for it that I'm also an engineer. It's actually a pretty rude question. "I'm waiting..."

But you don't have to answer my question.

It's okay. I know the answer.

Have a nice one.

Cheers.

[newdad1107]

I've seen it and once again anybody can put anything on the internet citing a website isnt citing shit. And since you wont disclose something that should already be readily public information says that you're full of shit. Tell me how dumb do you feel knowing you have to lie to argue your point of view.

[djjnuk]

@newdad1107 have u thoroughly researched 9/11 yourself?

if not then id advise u to.

u say how could all the explosives be installed without anyone noticing...people did notice. there were power downs and workmen would come in. security was lowered, ownership changed, and bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC wks prior to 9/11. and the security company for the WTC was run by george bushs brother.

if the bush admin wanted to rig the buildings with explosives they could have

[djjnuk]

@newdad1107 u should also look at the facts, science and expert architects and engineers opinions who say the buildings couldnt have collapsed just from fire. building 7 fell to dust in about 10 seconds and wasnt hit by a plane. how can all those thousands of tonnes of solid steel turn to dust from a few small fires in a matter of seconds? it cant. and thats not just common sense, its scientific fact. 

[djjnuk]

@newdad1107 lastly, watch the videos and read the reports from on the day. the people who were there and experienced it first hand, they all point to the official story being wrong or at least incomplete. at the WTC there are firemen, police, news reporters and witnesses all saying bombs were exploding in there.

there are stacks of evidence concerning every aspect of 9/11 that cant be explained by the official story. whether u believe in a conspiracy or not, the evidence shouldnt be ignored

[aymach10]

It didn't fall.

[boumiz]

Sad to see this happening to it!

[boumiz]

man that was my case study in structures class in school