@SuperSkepticman - I believe that Roman authorship is the most logical explanation for Christianity. The gospels being satire on the Roman-Jewish wars and Paul being based on Josephus. I don't believe Price agrees with Roman authorship.
The options for Paul, as far as I can see are, 1. Paul was created using Josephus (likely), 2. Paul and Josephus same person (unlikely), 3. Josephus was created using Paul (extremely unlikely).
I don't think Price even entertains the idea of Roman authorship.
@SuperSkepticman Well you have no real answer so you name call ... You still a sinner ,you sins and love sinning.
Being in a church no more makes you a christian then being in a garage makes you a car.Sad to here you a cop because since you reject God the law giver you unable to truely understand right from wrong .For moral truth came from God .As for beliefs xian catholic church this is Not even christian .They teach good works saves a person this is opposite of what the bible teaches ...
There are zero discrepancies and contradictions only those who fail to read the whole text.It tells you who carried the cross Jesus did and roman soldier told a man in the crowd and force him to help.The gospel has many different point of sight accounts.If there a a few witness to a event there will be different account of the same event .Why because each person see the event from a different angle and eye sight .The police know a group is false, when they have all the same story.
@SuperSkepticman yes they are but they were not with Muhammad when he claimed to have an angel appear to him, otherwise they would have been able to make their own judgment, instead now they are taking his word for it. The disciples saw Jesus crucified, denied him, for fear of losing their own lives and then with nothing to gain, they begin preaching his resurrection, in the midst of persecution. As to Paul, he hated & killed believers and then became one. These things don't happen all the time
@SuperSkepticman I'm sorry to hear that. It's interesting that you are a police officer, I'm actually trying to become one myself. But back on topic, I have looked into the points people point to as contradictions, and have found reasonable answers to nearly all of them. People get caught in is hearing too much of one side. I have not read those books you mentioned, but other articles and such. Check out the Stephen Meyer TrueU series. I don't have all the answers but only that Jesus is Lord.
@SuperSkepticman - I'm not really interested in Robert Price. He pursues Paul doesn't he? He is trying to explain a fictional character which means his findings are vague and non-sensical. What a sucker.
The only reason scholar think Pauls writings are dated to that time, is because they appear to be relative. Talk about getting out-witted by 2000 year old writers. Josephus was 16 at the time of the first epistle, he was there at that time and that is why Paul appears genuine. He isn't.
@SuperSkepticman resurrection of a man ? God in the Flesh. Again you are another person that wants to believe something without the evidence .You simply in fact have no clue what you are even talking about.You more likely never read the N.T or understood the secular evidence .The whole fact for you is you hate the idea of God .Because you love your sinful live more.God to you is a being that won't allow you to sin .. You do not want to be held accountable .
@SuperSkepticman Look you simply do not understand historical evidence.When the bible speak of a event in history over time skeptics like you (who really do not want proof) Have said like Moses never lived.But then evidence in later years proves Moses was & the bible true.So just because a event has yet been proven and since you cannot prove it wrong.The bible has a 100% fact of being shown true over time.Skeptic like you have always been proven wrong.You in truth hate the idea of God ....
@SuperSkepticman The NT is a fictional history written by the Romans. It's like biblical scholarship never happened. The NT was written post 70 AD and its seems, under the reigns of the Flavian Emperors, 69-96 AD. The Gospels are satire based on the Romans-Jewish wars. And Paul was created using the life and works of Josephus as a template.
I believe Paul was written after the gospels. I see no reason to think otherwise.
@Franknarfable Seem you not read them .You seem I bet to have no problem with the history of alexander the great.All the information on him is written 1000 years later.You might read a book or too like Case of Christ or the evidence that demands a verdict ... You say Paul was written ? There no book called Paul ? You mean Paul writing yes he wrote them after the gospels.Paul killed christian before later seeing Jesus appear to him,this converted from being a jew .apostles later accepted him.
@danephillips - Is there any point in talking to you? Is Alexander the Great in the bible? No, therefore I think you're on the wrong page. However, if you wish to pursue the non-historical Alexander then I look forward to your findings.
Evidence demands a verdict - I have given you a verdict.
Case for Christ - Lee Strobel - Are you joking? If you listen to that man you are lost beyond help.
The New Testament is fiction that was written AFTER 70 AD. Get a clue.
@Franknarfable The point is you and everyone else accept Alexander the Great and the writings about him.
Even know there no writing under 1000 year later. But you do not call that fiction .The reason however the NT offends you because you do not want to accept God .You hate God and you love your sin more ..... You pride in yourself rules your life .
@danephillips - Alexander? Who cares. I am calling the New Testament fiction, because that is what I have read about. It NT does not offend me at all, it is one of the greatest book ever written.
This has nothing to do with "God" or pride. I am interesting in the authorship and evidences surrounding the New Testament. That's why I'm on this video.
@Franknarfable Hey ! you will accept Alexander without any writings but you reject the bible .The point is you only reject the bible because you HATE GOD .You do not care about the evidence of the bible.You hate God and therefore close yourself to the evidence You again accept other events in history as true .The manuscripts of the bible out weigh any other historical events .You will NOT see the truth because you have pride in yourself and seek to do whatever you want without facing God.
@danephillips The video's not about Alexander. Just stick to the one subject, you're already confused enough.
"You again accept other events in history as true "
I accept Vespasian, Titus and Domitian existed, the Roman-Jewish wars happened, the Romans won and Jerusalem was destroyed. Romans won, Jews defeated. Romans all powerful, Jews defeated. Sinking in?
The Romans would chop the heads of statues replacing them with Caesars, but the Jews didn't have statues, they had literature.
@Franknarfable You accept those event even know they have less manuscript evidence to prove them.The bible has more manuscript evidence then any event in all of history ... Again you reject the bible manuscript evidence and secular evidence because you Hate God ... You love yourself and you love for sin more. You will not accept the love of God that offers you forgiveness from your crimes of sin .The free pardon offered by Jesus God ....
@SuperSkepticman For example, why would the disciples die for something that they would have known to be false? Especially Peter, when he denied Christ before he died. Why would 3000, many whom probably saw and participated in his conviction and crucifixion believe in that same Christ's resurrection, in Acts 2, if they he had not appeared to them? Peter said "God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it...God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
@SuperSkepticman Now I admit that I have made up my mind but it is based on a number of evidences: 1God's work in my life & people who I know lives, which can't be proved. 2The truth of God's word that I see in life 3The evidence that the Bible makes (as confirmed by other sources) to the Resurrection of Christ.
@SuperSkepticman just because they have different stories and different facts, doesn't make them mutually exclusive. For example, if your were a police officer investigating a crime, you would interview all of the witnesses. Those witness' stories would probably look very different on paper, though they saw the same event. That would b because they remember different parts of the event. Like some may remember the offender's looks, while others remember more of the victim's reactions.
wen jesus returns at the mount of olives he will cause two rivers to flow from it. They tried too build a holiday inn there, but relised there r actually unstable plates underneath it. How great is that.
Look if you read or heard something in the bible that has to date no historical evidence or has been yet been uncovered.Understand that does not mean the Bible is in error.Einstein theory of relativity was true even know it took time before it was shown to be true .So again Bible has often been said to be in error ONLY later some archaeological uncovers exactly what the bible said was true like Moses .Bible has a proven history of been true so why do you reject it .Because you hate the truth .
Noticed you have no evidence of these contradition ..Any you think have, I can easy show how they are not.Again often people say Gospel are contradition .Yet simply because people don't understand witness of a event by more then one person will always has a different eye sight on the same event.Not contradition but human point of view on that event.The police know this in fact if you had the same 100% exact statements polcie know that the statement were made up by all talking together.
@danephillips ::: The 'witness" is a professional bible scholar, who has a PhD in NT studies. In his book "Jesus, Interrupted", chap 2 titled 'A World of Contradictions", he mentions cleansing of the temple (Mark 11, John 2) did Jesus eat the passover meal, and when did he die? How could a star guide the wise men? No ancient source mentions Herod killing children. There is no mention of a census. Quirinius and Herod were not contemporary. Did the family go to Egypt or Nazareth? Lots of problems
@k0smon Professional bible scholar are fool who do not read the bible to learn they follow what their professor taught them..So Jesus cleanse the temple.and so he ate last supper he died.Jewish had a different time system then we have to say night or day.Bible often tells you what happened then goes back in more detail .I have listen to scientist who use math to go back in time they chart the stars and they can show a bright star. Simple same way a Ship use the north star to follow where to go
@danephillips Luke’s census generally takes the following form.Extant records point to censuses both in Roman provinces(with some taking place regularly and, presumably, involving non-Roman citizens) and even occasionally in client kingdoms.Extant records indicate that Rome at times accommodated local customs in such censuses .You know What Einstein's Theory of Relativity was true even know it wasn't proven for years later.So same with Census over time bible show true when thing are uncovered.
Those who reject bible never seem to look at those in the past who claim in error some historical point only years later some find show the bible was is right. people said there no record of Moses then a dig finds the name moses in Egypt ... Not surprising Moses name hard to find bible say the order was to remove his from any records in all Egypt .Well then we find Moses like all humans do someone missed one on deleting Mose name.
@danephillips :::: You do not seem to understand the use of the stars. The north star is used to find where you are, not where you are going. Your use of English indicates to me it is not your native language, and I just cannot understand what you are getting at. It seems wrong. There are two renditions of the cleansing of the temple, you seem to not understand what Bart is saying. What new evidence of a census? Just because you say so does not make it so.
@k0smon LOLOL You use of words makes me think you never read the bible just read what someone told you... My use of English fine I have to shorten what I say to fit the limited chaacters they allow here .. On the rendition of cleaning the temple.I explained before there are 2 different writers explaining what happen.Ok I explain if more then once, a person view a event their experience will be some what different in reporting what happened.Both will be true. I explained the census before.
@k0smon Your questions.Jesus cleanse the temple in John 2 for one so what ? Jesus at start of the chapter Jesus a wedding not the passover he later in the chapter goes to "After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples.(also this evidence catholic won't see Mary had other children) There they stayed for a few days.Jesus Clears the Temple Courts13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover " As for the census that not true ,new evidence there was one.
It amazing how people will slam the bible yet too often never read it.Next they claim error yet they do not read the bible they read someone else book and believe it . What ? Now that stupid .... Even those who say they read the bible grab a verse and claim it error yet they do not comprehend you have to read the whole chapter and even more to comprehend what being said.
The Bible has not and will not be rpoven wrong it is 100% accurate ... Many have tried to prove it wrong but in the end Bible stands true.I lol when someone shows me what they think is a incorrect statsment in a verse .But they fail to even read the text they take a verse without understand. It laughable....
@danephillips ::: The bible is not 100% accurate. Bart Ehrman's book "Jesus, Interrupted" is 280 pages of information about contradiction and error in the bible. The bible says insects have 4 legs. Did Judas hang himself, or burst assunder? Did he return the money or buy land with it? Depends if you read Matthew or Acts.
@k0smon@danephillips I lol at you or the book. You simply cannot comprehend the true ... He hung himself and then the rope broke and he fell burst assunder !! Yet another peson who cannot read ... Take the police when they get 3 or 4 individuals in for questioning they know even know they all saw the same events their stories of that event will be a little different but still in the end they all seen the same event .So to are the Gospels same event just each saw it from a different eye sight
@danephillips I lol at you or the book ... You simply cannot comprehend the true ... You can find not error only what people cannot comprehend because they refuse to read the whole text.
@danephillips I simply cannot comprehend making believe that a book filled with contradiction and error is the true word of God. You may laugh at yourself for your beliefs, but you have plenty of company.
@k0smon Noticed you have no evidence of these contradition ..Any you think have I can easy show how they are not.Again often people say Gospel are contradition .Yet simply because people don't understand witness of a event by more then one person will always has a different eye sight on the same event.Not contradition but human point of view on that event.The police know this in fact if you had the same 100$ exact statements polcie know that the statement were made up by all talking together.
It doesn't really make a difference how old the copies are, or how many we have. The bible was written by fallable men and has a lot of historical inaccuracies. Where is the evidence of the million Israelites who escaped from Egypt?
What Greek, Hebrew, etc, etc MSS are superior than the Original Greek, Hebrew, etc, etc MSS that the KJV translators use? Moreover, could you name a translator that is more superior in the languages than the translators of the KJV 1611 MSS? TKS: Pastor David Skakun
The individual manuscripts books of the New Testament are dated with confidence to the 1st century ... The date is within the time of those who walked with Jesus and witness Jesus.This video tells you the truth .How the bible stands above any other historical document .
(Psalm 10:4). It's not that a person can't find God, but that he won't. It has been rightly said that the “atheist” can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. He knows that if he admits that there is a God, he is admitting that he is ultimately responsible to Him. This is not a pleasant thought for some.
What are the earliest christian manuscripts that we have? Aren't they from the 4th century...hundred of years after Jesus, in a language not spoken by Jesus?
@GTosca10 No the new testament writing date to those who were eyewitness of Jesus 40 ad - to around 69 ad .One note is all new testament being before 70 ad.Reason the Jewish temple was destroyed.This was one of the greatest events to hit jews in this time.Jesus also said this would happen.So the writers of new testament surely would have mention the temple destruction to show Jesus was right and because of the great sorrow for the destruction happening .
@GTosca10 I explain that ... First Jesus said the temple would be destroyed they laughed at him then in 70 ad the temple was destroyed.Now the temple destruction was in fact the greatest sorrow to the jews within the time span.
So for those who wronmgly say the new testament was written 100's of years later they would have mention 70 ad temple destruction.Just like if someone was talking about USA 1999 - 2001 and they did not mention 911 you know the writting are before 911 or 9/11/2001 ..
@GTosca10 Greek was the language of that part of the world like english is to day in the world .No the New testament is from those who knew Jesus and walked with him. 1 John 1 example they say we walked with Jesus we talked with him We touch him Jesus was here and we knew him.
@GTosca10 Read the book a case for christ or evidence that demands a verdict ... (Psalm 10:4). It's not that a person can't find God, but that he won't. It has been rightly said that the “atheist” can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. He knows that if he admits that there is a God, he is admitting that he is ultimately responsible to Him. This is not a pleasant thought for some.
@danephillips I´m not an atheist. I am a firm believer in God. I asked what the earliest christian manuscripts were...Your answer was that the New Testament was written by those who walked with Jesus because 1 John 1 says they did. So, should we believe Muhammed because he said he talked with angels? So, what ARE the ealiest Christian manuscripts? Not talking about copies...but original manuscripts. As far as I know they are well after the death of Jesus.
@GTosca10 Jesus was God and is God .Jesus came to forgive all people sins .Jesus has a woman caught in adultery.The people wanted to stone her.Jesus said you that are without sin pick up the stone and kill her.The people knowing they were sinners to went away Jesus said women go and sin no more. Muhammed had a women iof adultery and they asked what should we do . Muhammed say stoned her to death. Muhammed words are kill and destroy ..Jesus words are forgiveness.
@danephillips I agree with your comparison of Muhammed and Jesus. I don´t understand how people can think Muhammed is a continuation of Jesus´ teachings. They are so different. Like you said, Muhammed practiced a lot of violence, Jesus taught love and forgiveness.
@GTosca10 Muslims proclaim they have a Koran that dates to the time of Muhammad, the Reality is different.
Two ancient partial copies of Koran that are in existence are the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent, and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul. What many Muslim's do not know, is that because these two manuscripts were written in a script style called "Kufic", practicing Muslim scholars generally date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died.
@GTosca10 KING JAMES WAS BORN 6 1566 6TH OF SCOTLAND, HE GAVE 66 BOOKS AND CALLED THEM THE WORD OF GOD. JESUS IS THE WORD.THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST
@MarkofBeastRevealed Actually, the Codex Sinaiticus, which is the oldest complete copy of the New Testament was written over 1600 years ago. The Old Testament, of course, predates that by centuries.
@GTosca10 i know. but if it wasnt for constantine and king james then you wouldn't have the books. How did men live for God before the bible was put into their hands for hundred years ago? was it only the pedophile catholics that were saved? are men saved becaus they have read the bible? We need to be led of the Holy ghost. we have to be annointed by him. that means we have to stand through all fear and doubt with nothing to hold onto knowing that our salvation rests in the hands of God.
@MarkofBeastRevealed : I partially agree with your view of the bible. There is a lot of contradiction and error in that book (Bart Ehrman) I think Micah 6 : 8 sums it up "...what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God."
@k0smon Right if you do justly and love mercy and walk humbly with God then he will not leave you undone and he will reveal truth to you. really it is always according to a persons heart. That is all we can do is seek him and pray that are heart is right with him. A lot of people can't read anyway the only thing that is important is if God chooses a person.
@GTosca10 They said all that BS before until dead sea scroll were found and date before time of Jesus. it's LOL how people uneducated in the history of the bible are so quick to make statements against it.Read the book then come back and talk .
@danephillips Please don´t get upset. I´m just trying to discuss this with you. I have read the Bible many time. It is my understanding that the Dead Sea Scrolls contain mainly Old Testament writings and sectarian scripts but not much about New Testament. Is this the case?
@GTosca10 Not sure what the question is really .Yes dead seas scrolls match musch of the old testament exactly, but they were proof of the new testament in a way to.How see people use to say before the Dead Seas Scrolls were found that much of the old testament wish foretold Jesus were all just written after Jesus.So when the D,S scrolls were found it shut them up. Most people really do not understand the skill and exact coping that was done to keep manuscripts as there were orginally written.
@blaisingm One fact before the D.S scroll people said Isaiah 53 had to be written after Jesus because No where in all the Old Testament is it so plainly and fully prophesied, About Jesus,birth and suffer, and then his enter into his glory .. After D.S people knew that D S proved Isaiah 53 was well before Jesus .
@danephillips "One fact before the D.S scroll people said Isaiah 53 had to be written after Jesu"
So, what you're saying is that the Bible was not believable in any way until the dead sea scrolls were found? Would you be a christian if the dead sea scrolls were never found?
Well then Hot Shot. lets' start with the Exodus. show me the evidence. I want to believe it. Contradictions, Gen 1:21 God made man and woman Gen 2:21-23 God made woman Eve how can this be if they were already there?
Great question, which has a very simple answer (if you actually WANT to know the truth). The first chapter of Genesis is a general account of the Creation. The second is all about God's first dealings with mankind.
The first chapter is panoramic, the second is just zooming in to give greater detail. Just read the Bible and you will see for yourself.
@guerojordan Those in the comment are clueless to even know how to read the scripture.God gives many different views of the same event often for greater detail :)
@TPLR2 No contradiction just you not read all of the text,not just a verse here and verse there.. The bible often tell you a fact then goes back and gives more detail into the fact.
Wouldn't it be really brilliant if there were no mistakes at all. Then we could say with all the confidence in the world that the book was truly inspired by God. Not just a book full of stories handed down then eventually scribed.
There is no evidence for the Exodus whatsoever! You'd think that 2m people wandering in the desert for 40 years would leave some kind of mark. They even stayed in one place for 2yrs before entering "The Promised Land!" not even a sandal or a gravestone. Sad but true
@shaolinschool2010 What is debatable about there being no evidence "Whatsoever" You show me the evidence "Hot shot!" as a Christian struggling with the facts I'm willing to be convinced Plus mate, there are hundreds of mistakes if not thousands in the New Testament! God bless
@TPLR2 For one do not use my expressions, only I can use those, and two if you assert that there is a contradiction in the bible you better be willing to back yourself up because from all I can see you brought a gun to the table without any ammunition. Why don't you try and do some real research and scholarship if you dare...
@shaolinschool2010 Well yuo seek answer not for truth but to make yourself feel good.You love to seek after what makes you feel good and the idea that your a sinner offends you.Jesus God offers you a pardon from the crime of sin that we all have commited. But you do not want to be pardon because you think you have done nothing wrong.Pride has you rejecting God and his word...
@danephillips Bro please do not misunderstand me...I believe the bible to be 100 percent accurate truth. And I will happily admit that I am a sinner in need of grace. It is only by Jesus' shed blood on the cross that my sins can be washed away and I can be forgiven. I apologize if you misunderstood me.
@blaisingm Another person uneducated in the fact of the bible and the complete accurate truth within it's pages.Saying the bible is 100% accurate is not some blind statement it is in fact proven ... Bible is historical accurate 100% .It foretells the future like Isaiah 53 perfectly tells of Jesus . Even the science yes there science in the bible 100 Accurate. Read first then come back and talk .Dead sea scrolls showed many the complete exact text is the same as what we read today ...
@danephillips I do not reject God and his word. I have dedicated the next three years of my life to studying his word and learning all I can in Seminary.
@shaolinschool2010 I have dedicated 25+ year to study the word of God .Run from seminary they 90% teach you what they decide to believe not what bible say.Get out of catholic church you get 90% of catholic BS not scripture .In catholic doctrine salvation is good works .This is a pure lie. As a excatholic who read the bible and realized catholic church was full of itself and little of the truth. Romans 7 Romans 8 .. We are saved by Jesus not by anything we can do to earn or Mary or Priest ....
The differences are simply clerical errors, mispellings, word arrangement and the like and they are different from manuscript to manuscript. The don't alter doctrine. The variances that could possibly alter doctrine are so few that they can be debated or simply dismissed.
@TheDarvus "Therefore science and religious belief systems are related. No? Like, who wrote them, when they where written etc... I mean, they are scientific methods."
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning. What are scientific methods? Are you suggesting that if science can be used to study something, then they are related?
Sources, times spans , #s of manuscripts ... None it amount to much if the claims made simply aren't believable ... None of this would even be an issue if the claims were belivable ... This is all smoke & mirr0rs to bullshit seem plausible ...
It is important to understand that their is a BIG, BIG difference between science and religious belief systems. Science is a tool used to solve problems. Religious belief systems are things you believe in. You don't believe in science. Instead, you use it to solve problems just like your hammer. You don't believe in your hammer, you use it to solve problems. Science and religious belief systems are completely unrelated and unfit for comparison.
@callummcphail .lolol...Now there is a rational person. Funny how these people get soooo mad at believers and react like they haven't passed the 3rd grade. So quick to bash. I sure it's bothersome that EVERYTHING found by science only proves the Bible is real. No man could have know these things from so long ago. ..PROVE IT. Are you not trying to pass on your own views and beliefs right now?
Difference in style and no difference in content. Bull... There is a difference in content from the Anticoh of Syria to the Alexandrian manuscripts. Come on dude. Where are you doing your research. I wonder in Hank makes any endorsement money for this kind of heresy.
@cthluthlu I'm wondering if you even read the comments... as @Ricardius1710 pointed out, Lee is among the few scholars that hold these views. And I use the word "scholar" loosely because he grossly misrepresents the quality and nature of the Biblical manuscripts. Nearly all of the manuscripts are fragmentary, usually only a few verses or chapters, most were created 800+ years after the autographs, and there ARE numerous differences between each copy.Lee is either a charlatan or incredibly naive.
After reading several comments about this video posted by you skeptics, I wonder how some of you people even figure out how to dress yourselves in the morning. What Hank is clearly doing is refuting the charges by atheists that the Bible has been rewritten, edited, and altered many times over the centuries. Obviously with all the surviving manuscript evidence, those charges have been proven to be unfounded.
@cthluthlu Oh, and we are to just take Hank on his word? Real bible scholars, such as John Dominic Crossan, Bart Ehrman and Robert Price have stated that the bible has been added to and taken away from and that it was originally passed down through oral transmission that got changed over time. We don't know who wrote the books in the bible and there's no doubt that they were written a long time after the supposed events. Not to mention there are many contradictions, even in the gospels.
@venom769 You say they are off the wall because they are historians? They are renowned scholars in the field, if you say that they aren't, then you are just following along the lines of your scholars who teach at evangelical Christian seminaries. They are all Christians, so of course they are biased in that regard, unable to study outside of their deeply held beliefs.
Sooo, the bible is true because we have more copies than homer's iliad? Wow. This is as good as lee strobels empty tomb evidence. The tomb was empty so the only rational and logical explination is that an all powerful invisible spirit came down from the sky and took it. Silly christians
This is the stupidest video I have ever seen. It should be filed under the file name of "stupidest video ever" so that people like me don't have to watch it and then wonder how to get back the 5 minutes and 16 seconds of my life that I just lost. Who care if the Illiad or Plato are forgeries or not? No one is going to condemn you to hell for violating Heroditus' teaching. Oh and Lee Stroble is full of shit.
The Vatican-Pope-Jesuits-illuminati-NAZIS-CFR (Jews who are Luciferian) run the world. they have all the judges, attorneys, doctors, major corporations, etc. in their back pocket. bought & paid 4. our country is no longer free -we live in tyranny! truth an obscure thing, Oppression & lie is the norm. Were all slaves- our masters, the elite, r at least 50 years ahead of us in knowledge, technology, info., secrets & r using all of it against us!
Every single one of us has a different opinion of what we hear. It does not make all of us wrong or right. No man has a perfect interpretation of every single scripture and word. We argue back and forth, whos right whos wrong. When we are all wrong probably more than half the time about everything.
@TheXpozer I think you have misread my comments. I was saying that people like Strobel are misrepresenting the textual evidence and integrity of the NT when they say that there are thousands of NT manuscripts. There are only about 60 complete copies of NT manuscripts, and the other thousands are fragmentary, containing only a handful of chapters of verses of a single NT book. Please reread my comments as I think you have misunderstood my point.
@socomplete You make copies from copies of copies of copies of originals. I am not exactly sure what you are trying to get a with your question... There are zero original, autograph Biblical manuscripts, not even Strobel argues that.
This is great, but overwhelming "Manuscript evidence" isn't PROOF. All that Hank Hanegraaff is really arguing here, is that Homer's works are LESS reliable than the Biblical texts. That doesn't make the Biblical texts reliable.
Lee Strobel isn't hard to listen to until he says words like "feayict" (fact) or "meayips" (maps). Its really annoying, and no, I don't care what state he grew up in, so save it : )
The evidence for the reliability of the New Testament is overwhelming. However, people need to be very careful (people like Hank) because the manuscripts most certainly contains substantive errors. Hank asserts around 3:30 that there only exists a difference in "style" from one manuscript to another. This simply is NOT TRUE. Christians! Be careful! Live above reproach and get the facts right!
Nevertheless, like I said, the errors which exist are almost trivial. ("Jesus" or "Jesus Christ", etc.)
@socomplete analizing the ink, the paper,language and style of writing,place found you can do some dating. However the margin of error for copies can be 1- 5 decades. True though there is NO contemporary wriitngs during Jesus` life
... or similar advocates of NT textual integrity may say. They frequently and consistently misrepresent the manuscript evidence of the NT, and I am surprised that they are not called out on these deceptions more often...
Next, the vast majority of the manuscripts are fragmentary (containing only a few verses or chapters) and/or far removed temporally from the events described in them (10th century or later). For any given NT book there are about a few dozen to one hundred complete manuscripts. Finally, THERE ARE many differences between the manuscripts. I encourage you to look into the manuscript evidence more deeply and not to uncritically accept whatever Strobel (to be continued, sorry for long post...)
More than 5000 manuscripts of the NT? That statement is deceptive and a gross misrepresentation of fact. The NT is composed of 27+ books, and there are only about 60 complete or nearly complete NT manuscripts. Of these complete manuscripts, some contain what today are considered non-canonical books (in other words, the scribes considered them canon, but canon is another discussion all together...). (to be continued)
Why believe the Bible, if you're a truly born-again christian you WILL believe it! There is no other alternative. A genuine christian will abide by this very book of God.
read on the internet the 2001 LA Times featured article "doubting the story of the exodus" in which famous scholarly jews such as rabbi David Wolpe and professor Ze'ev Herzog discussed how the "exodus" was only a jewish narrative and not a real historical event. The "exodus" hoax was jewish strategy intended to steal Egyptian land with the eventual land claim that jewish ancestors had been enslaved inside Egypt for 500 years. If the "exodus" claims are false then judaism doesn't even exist.
@HeFoundTomHagen But there is evidence of a grand exodus as recorded in Egyptian text. Hyksos Scarabs have presented stories of the reign of Jacob.Hieroglyphics and wall drawings have been uncovered and authenticated depicting Moses being plucked from the Nile, standing before legions of followers, Egyptian chariots chasing slaves, even Aaron fashioning a calf as an idol. Modern divers have in fact found coral-encrusted chariot wheels and skeletal remains at the bottom of the sea.
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - we don't even know for sure who those guys were or who wrote those documents in their name. Mark, apparently the oldest of the four, was based upon a now lost document called Q, which came from oral accounts of Jesus' ministry. And there are significant differences in the essays of the four evangelists, eg, how did Judas commit suicide, by hanging h imself, or throwing himself off the cliff?
And don't talk to me about that red print edition of the bible like - hey, this is what jesus said. Hogwash!
Ever play that game around the campfire when you whisper a short story into the next person's ear, who whisper's it to the next, who whispers it to the next, etc.? By the time it gets to the tenth person, the story is completely different. There is NO WAY that the evangelists could have gotten anywhere near exactitude of what Jesus will have said decades later.
That something has a lot of scriptures does not say anything about the intend and the basics of it. Something with 500000000 scriptures can still be evil and abusive and enslaving.
It doesnt mean that something that does miracles is good and has to be followed
it doesnt mean that when something re-appears it is good and has to be followed.
The God in the bible is a sadist who puts people in hell because they are from birth programmed to not believe. Free will is fake also, it doesnt exist. People have no free will, from birth you are programmed to be a certain way, a slave to your programmed mind. So your choices will depend on the previous programming, starts in childhood at very very young age.
And also: why believe and worship such a being in a book calling itself "God" ?
Because it doesnt mean that it calls itself God that it is a good good you have to follow. Following always means no self-realisation, no self-honesty. it is blind worship and thus deception. people are not taught to be self honest and realise who they really are and jhow programmed they are. If our creator was a screwed up being, then we should in NO WAY follow it. And nothing is greater or lesser then another, thats ego judgement.
I find it interesting, after scrolling down and reading some comments, that we christians have completely failed to deal with people's arguments here. Rather we just click and give them a poor comment rating.
one asked for arguments. they provided them and got no response.
one asked for supposed contradictions. they provided them and got no response.
What's wrong folks? Are you having a hard time proving that the bible is inerrant??? I don't believe it is either and I'm a christian.
have you all noticed how on Hank's 'bible answerman show' that he always takes callers who have questions that he gives scripted answers?
I want to see Hank take on atheists and debate them and overcome their arguments. I'd like to see him overcome my arguments and he's much more knowledgeable than I am, but I don't believe that hell is eternal & I'll debate him any time.
On the other hand, I'd gladly debate Hitchens on God too, even though he too has more knowledge, and that's fine. bring it
1 more thing. If the bible is the INERRANT word of God, then you have to explain to me how Almighty God would command the murder of babies and the stoning of human beings for various ridiculous reasons, like not being found to be a virgin on your wedding night. How sick is that?
@SpamAnn Gods Colateral Damage Control - Romans in charge - lets see - a little Judaism, a little paganism WALA - Christianity. That will keep everyone under control.
@Lightmane321 and you can`t use the argument that was old convenant. Jesus wasn`t crucified yet. Besides the adultery story was added much later and not found in any early manuscripts. surprise surprise
Nope. You missed my point. Jesus didn't obey the law of God to stone the woman found in adultery. He totally contradicts it. Now He has that right, seeing that He's Jesus, but then clearly that law was wrong, for Jesus did not DO what the law said, and the bible said that Jesus never sinned & sin is the transgression of the law, therefore I agree with Jesus that God NEVER said what the bible says He said. I say the bible was wrong and that it's not 100% inerrant.
Hank Hannagraaf is an idiot. It, on the contrary, is easy to prove that the Bible is factually inaccurate, internally-inconsistent, and a pathetic literary work. The Koran is equally idiotic. An anthropomorphic God can easily be shown to be a logical absurdity. Even if you suppose there is a God and Devil, it is much more reasonable to presume the bible was written by the latter than the former. If I was the Devil, i'd want EVERY MAN reading his bible or Koran. They'd be MY BOOKS, MAN!
Lol true. if I was the devil, I would deceive people to write a book just like that so they will be devided forever, trapped in believes and followment.
Most people are impressed by the number of manuscripts we have for the New Testament. The problem is the only institution that copied books was the Church, so we would expect lots and lots of copies of their holy text versus any other Greek works.
No matter how solidly someone presents evidence that our modern-day Bible is an accurate translation of the earliest manuscripts, that doesnt prove that the original Biblical writings truly reflect the will of God.
True, but you have to concede that having the most accurate form of the bible allows the believer to put their faith in what was the original meeting. For example say Jesus being Devine was not believed in the first century would mean that today's believer has placed their faith in what was never originally intended. Truthfully personal 'paradigm' is what determines what we accept and what we reject
stephjh2006, I don't know what you mean by "original meeting". And phrases like "most accurate" and "originally intended" can be misleading and falsely reassuring, since we do not know--in a factual sense--what is "accurate", nor what the original intentions were. So we cannot truly know how far off the mark we are in our assessments.
So what are you going to do? If all we have is the Bible originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic, then translated into English, do we still have a choice whether to believe it or not? If you're saying that it isn't the word of God, then what is?
What I'm "going to do" is exactly what I am doing. I am questioning whether the text referred to as the "word of God" contains human-imposed distortions handed down through the centuries. I want to know "the Truth" as much as anyone, but at this point we can only make our own individual assessment of what constitutes the Truth, based on personal belief and opinion.
In my opinion, if the hand of man was involved, then there is room for error, no matter what the context. In the context of scriptures, of course, using the word "error" implies that there is a "right" and "wrong" according to what God intended--which is merely an assumption.
Hi ann. I'm kinda bummed I blocked you. I sorta miss our conversations the way your twisted logic would tickle my brain in just the right places. Sorry I called you all kinds of names like evil, demon, and reptillian etc..... I mean even though you are I'm sorry cuz I miss our once beautiful relationship... ah. oh well. I might as well just come out and say it. Please make me a destibot. I can't take the abuse anymore. wait, my program is self destructing.. ahhhhhh self destruct mode
Hi SpamAnn. I can't tell. Are you an atheist? You seem to have some venom in your words. Were you burned in the past? It sounds that way. I'm a christian and while I agree with you in some regards, I think you're a little over the top in others. I'd love to talk to you. Feel free to email me through youtube. I think I can help you out a little in some ways...
@SuperSkepticman - I believe that Roman authorship is the most logical explanation for Christianity. The gospels being satire on the Roman-Jewish wars and Paul being based on Josephus. I don't believe Price agrees with Roman authorship.
The options for Paul, as far as I can see are, 1. Paul was created using Josephus (likely), 2. Paul and Josephus same person (unlikely), 3. Josephus was created using Paul (extremely unlikely).
I don't think Price even entertains the idea of Roman authorship.
Franknarfable 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman Well you have no real answer so you name call ... You still a sinner ,you sins and love sinning.
Being in a church no more makes you a christian then being in a garage makes you a car.Sad to here you a cop because since you reject God the law giver you unable to truely understand right from wrong .For moral truth came from God .As for beliefs xian catholic church this is Not even christian .They teach good works saves a person this is opposite of what the bible teaches ...
danephillips 4 months ago
There are zero discrepancies and contradictions only those who fail to read the whole text.It tells you who carried the cross Jesus did and roman soldier told a man in the crowd and force him to help.The gospel has many different point of sight accounts.If there a a few witness to a event there will be different account of the same event .Why because each person see the event from a different angle and eye sight .The police know a group is false, when they have all the same story.
danephillips 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman yes they are but they were not with Muhammad when he claimed to have an angel appear to him, otherwise they would have been able to make their own judgment, instead now they are taking his word for it. The disciples saw Jesus crucified, denied him, for fear of losing their own lives and then with nothing to gain, they begin preaching his resurrection, in the midst of persecution. As to Paul, he hated & killed believers and then became one. These things don't happen all the time
Oneaudience 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman I'm sorry to hear that. It's interesting that you are a police officer, I'm actually trying to become one myself. But back on topic, I have looked into the points people point to as contradictions, and have found reasonable answers to nearly all of them. People get caught in is hearing too much of one side. I have not read those books you mentioned, but other articles and such. Check out the Stephen Meyer TrueU series. I don't have all the answers but only that Jesus is Lord.
Oneaudience 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman - I'm not really interested in Robert Price. He pursues Paul doesn't he? He is trying to explain a fictional character which means his findings are vague and non-sensical. What a sucker.
The only reason scholar think Pauls writings are dated to that time, is because they appear to be relative. Talk about getting out-witted by 2000 year old writers. Josephus was 16 at the time of the first epistle, he was there at that time and that is why Paul appears genuine. He isn't.
Franknarfable 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman resurrection of a man ? God in the Flesh. Again you are another person that wants to believe something without the evidence .You simply in fact have no clue what you are even talking about.You more likely never read the N.T or understood the secular evidence .The whole fact for you is you hate the idea of God .Because you love your sinful live more.God to you is a being that won't allow you to sin .. You do not want to be held accountable .
danephillips 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman Look you simply do not understand historical evidence.When the bible speak of a event in history over time skeptics like you (who really do not want proof) Have said like Moses never lived.But then evidence in later years proves Moses was & the bible true.So just because a event has yet been proven and since you cannot prove it wrong.The bible has a 100% fact of being shown true over time.Skeptic like you have always been proven wrong.You in truth hate the idea of God ....
danephillips 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman The NT is a fictional history written by the Romans. It's like biblical scholarship never happened. The NT was written post 70 AD and its seems, under the reigns of the Flavian Emperors, 69-96 AD. The Gospels are satire based on the Romans-Jewish wars. And Paul was created using the life and works of Josephus as a template.
I believe Paul was written after the gospels. I see no reason to think otherwise.
Franknarfable 4 months ago
@Franknarfable Seem you not read them .You seem I bet to have no problem with the history of alexander the great.All the information on him is written 1000 years later.You might read a book or too like Case of Christ or the evidence that demands a verdict ... You say Paul was written ? There no book called Paul ? You mean Paul writing yes he wrote them after the gospels.Paul killed christian before later seeing Jesus appear to him,this converted from being a jew .apostles later accepted him.
danephillips 4 months ago
@danephillips - Is there any point in talking to you? Is Alexander the Great in the bible? No, therefore I think you're on the wrong page. However, if you wish to pursue the non-historical Alexander then I look forward to your findings.
Evidence demands a verdict - I have given you a verdict.
Case for Christ - Lee Strobel - Are you joking? If you listen to that man you are lost beyond help.
The New Testament is fiction that was written AFTER 70 AD. Get a clue.
Franknarfable 4 months ago
@Franknarfable The point is you and everyone else accept Alexander the Great and the writings about him.
Even know there no writing under 1000 year later. But you do not call that fiction .The reason however the NT offends you because you do not want to accept God .You hate God and you love your sin more ..... You pride in yourself rules your life .
danephillips 4 months ago
@danephillips - Alexander? Who cares. I am calling the New Testament fiction, because that is what I have read about. It NT does not offend me at all, it is one of the greatest book ever written.
This has nothing to do with "God" or pride. I am interesting in the authorship and evidences surrounding the New Testament. That's why I'm on this video.
Franknarfable 4 months ago
@Franknarfable Hey ! you will accept Alexander without any writings but you reject the bible .The point is you only reject the bible because you HATE GOD .You do not care about the evidence of the bible.You hate God and therefore close yourself to the evidence You again accept other events in history as true .The manuscripts of the bible out weigh any other historical events .You will NOT see the truth because you have pride in yourself and seek to do whatever you want without facing God.
danephillips 4 months ago
@danephillips The video's not about Alexander. Just stick to the one subject, you're already confused enough.
"You again accept other events in history as true "
I accept Vespasian, Titus and Domitian existed, the Roman-Jewish wars happened, the Romans won and Jerusalem was destroyed. Romans won, Jews defeated. Romans all powerful, Jews defeated. Sinking in?
The Romans would chop the heads of statues replacing them with Caesars, but the Jews didn't have statues, they had literature.
Franknarfable 4 months ago
@Franknarfable You accept those event even know they have less manuscript evidence to prove them.The bible has more manuscript evidence then any event in all of history ... Again you reject the bible manuscript evidence and secular evidence because you Hate God ... You love yourself and you love for sin more. You will not accept the love of God that offers you forgiveness from your crimes of sin .The free pardon offered by Jesus God ....
danephillips 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman I would venture that we both have our own assumptions on the matter and it sounds like your mind is made up too but I hope it isn't.
Oneaudience 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman For example, why would the disciples die for something that they would have known to be false? Especially Peter, when he denied Christ before he died. Why would 3000, many whom probably saw and participated in his conviction and crucifixion believe in that same Christ's resurrection, in Acts 2, if they he had not appeared to them? Peter said "God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it...God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
Oneaudience 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman Now I admit that I have made up my mind but it is based on a number of evidences: 1God's work in my life & people who I know lives, which can't be proved. 2The truth of God's word that I see in life 3The evidence that the Bible makes (as confirmed by other sources) to the Resurrection of Christ.
Oneaudience 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman just because they have different stories and different facts, doesn't make them mutually exclusive. For example, if your were a police officer investigating a crime, you would interview all of the witnesses. Those witness' stories would probably look very different on paper, though they saw the same event. That would b because they remember different parts of the event. Like some may remember the offender's looks, while others remember more of the victim's reactions.
Oneaudience 4 months ago
@SuperSkepticman interesting how your short answer has no evidence...
Oneaudience 4 months ago in playlist The Bible
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wen jesus returns at the mount of olives he will cause two rivers to flow from it. They tried too build a holiday inn there, but relised there r actually unstable plates underneath it. How great is that.
whiteninja1976 5 months ago
Look if you read or heard something in the bible that has to date no historical evidence or has been yet been uncovered.Understand that does not mean the Bible is in error.Einstein theory of relativity was true even know it took time before it was shown to be true .So again Bible has often been said to be in error ONLY later some archaeological uncovers exactly what the bible said was true like Moses .Bible has a proven history of been true so why do you reject it .Because you hate the truth .
danephillips 7 months ago
Noticed you have no evidence of these contradition ..Any you think have, I can easy show how they are not.Again often people say Gospel are contradition .Yet simply because people don't understand witness of a event by more then one person will always has a different eye sight on the same event.Not contradition but human point of view on that event.The police know this in fact if you had the same 100% exact statements polcie know that the statement were made up by all talking together.
danephillips 7 months ago
@danephillips ::: The 'witness" is a professional bible scholar, who has a PhD in NT studies. In his book "Jesus, Interrupted", chap 2 titled 'A World of Contradictions", he mentions cleansing of the temple (Mark 11, John 2) did Jesus eat the passover meal, and when did he die? How could a star guide the wise men? No ancient source mentions Herod killing children. There is no mention of a census. Quirinius and Herod were not contemporary. Did the family go to Egypt or Nazareth? Lots of problems
k0smon 7 months ago
@k0smon Professional bible scholar are fool who do not read the bible to learn they follow what their professor taught them..So Jesus cleanse the temple.and so he ate last supper he died.Jewish had a different time system then we have to say night or day.Bible often tells you what happened then goes back in more detail .I have listen to scientist who use math to go back in time they chart the stars and they can show a bright star. Simple same way a Ship use the north star to follow where to go
danephillips 7 months ago
@danephillips Luke’s census generally takes the following form.Extant records point to censuses both in Roman provinces(with some taking place regularly and, presumably, involving non-Roman citizens) and even occasionally in client kingdoms.Extant records indicate that Rome at times accommodated local customs in such censuses .You know What Einstein's Theory of Relativity was true even know it wasn't proven for years later.So same with Census over time bible show true when thing are uncovered.
danephillips 7 months ago
Those who reject bible never seem to look at those in the past who claim in error some historical point only years later some find show the bible was is right. people said there no record of Moses then a dig finds the name moses in Egypt ... Not surprising Moses name hard to find bible say the order was to remove his from any records in all Egypt .Well then we find Moses like all humans do someone missed one on deleting Mose name.
danephillips 7 months ago
@danephillips :::: You do not seem to understand the use of the stars. The north star is used to find where you are, not where you are going. Your use of English indicates to me it is not your native language, and I just cannot understand what you are getting at. It seems wrong. There are two renditions of the cleansing of the temple, you seem to not understand what Bart is saying. What new evidence of a census? Just because you say so does not make it so.
k0smon 7 months ago
@k0smon LOLOL You use of words makes me think you never read the bible just read what someone told you... My use of English fine I have to shorten what I say to fit the limited chaacters they allow here .. On the rendition of cleaning the temple.I explained before there are 2 different writers explaining what happen.Ok I explain if more then once, a person view a event their experience will be some what different in reporting what happened.Both will be true. I explained the census before.
danephillips 7 months ago
@k0smon Your questions.Jesus cleanse the temple in John 2 for one so what ? Jesus at start of the chapter Jesus a wedding not the passover he later in the chapter goes to "After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples.(also this evidence catholic won't see Mary had other children) There they stayed for a few days.Jesus Clears the Temple Courts13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover " As for the census that not true ,new evidence there was one.
danephillips 7 months ago
It amazing how people will slam the bible yet too often never read it.Next they claim error yet they do not read the bible they read someone else book and believe it . What ? Now that stupid .... Even those who say they read the bible grab a verse and claim it error yet they do not comprehend you have to read the whole chapter and even more to comprehend what being said.
danephillips 7 months ago
The Bible has not and will not be rpoven wrong it is 100% accurate ... Many have tried to prove it wrong but in the end Bible stands true.I lol when someone shows me what they think is a incorrect statsment in a verse .But they fail to even read the text they take a verse without understand. It laughable....
danephillips 7 months ago
@danephillips ::: The bible is not 100% accurate. Bart Ehrman's book "Jesus, Interrupted" is 280 pages of information about contradiction and error in the bible. The bible says insects have 4 legs. Did Judas hang himself, or burst assunder? Did he return the money or buy land with it? Depends if you read Matthew or Acts.
k0smon 7 months ago in playlist Apologetics etc.
@k0smon @danephillips I lol at you or the book. You simply cannot comprehend the true ... He hung himself and then the rope broke and he fell burst assunder !! Yet another peson who cannot read ... Take the police when they get 3 or 4 individuals in for questioning they know even know they all saw the same events their stories of that event will be a little different but still in the end they all seen the same event .So to are the Gospels same event just each saw it from a different eye sight
danephillips 7 months ago
@danephillips I lol at you or the book ... You simply cannot comprehend the true ... You can find not error only what people cannot comprehend because they refuse to read the whole text.
danephillips 7 months ago
@danephillips I simply cannot comprehend making believe that a book filled with contradiction and error is the true word of God. You may laugh at yourself for your beliefs, but you have plenty of company.
k0smon 7 months ago
@k0smon Noticed you have no evidence of these contradition ..Any you think have I can easy show how they are not.Again often people say Gospel are contradition .Yet simply because people don't understand witness of a event by more then one person will always has a different eye sight on the same event.Not contradition but human point of view on that event.The police know this in fact if you had the same 100$ exact statements polcie know that the statement were made up by all talking together.
danephillips 7 months ago
It doesn't really make a difference how old the copies are, or how many we have. The bible was written by fallable men and has a lot of historical inaccuracies. Where is the evidence of the million Israelites who escaped from Egypt?
thebahana 8 months ago
Hi: Hank
Please fill me in on this!!!
What Greek, Hebrew, etc, etc MSS are superior than the Original Greek, Hebrew, etc, etc MSS that the KJV translators use? Moreover, could you name a translator that is more superior in the languages than the translators of the KJV 1611 MSS? TKS: Pastor David Skakun
cmccaable 8 months ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
The individual manuscripts books of the New Testament are dated with confidence to the 1st century ... The date is within the time of those who walked with Jesus and witness Jesus.This video tells you the truth .How the bible stands above any other historical document .
danephillips 8 months ago
(Psalm 10:4). It's not that a person can't find God, but that he won't. It has been rightly said that the “atheist” can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. He knows that if he admits that there is a God, he is admitting that he is ultimately responsible to Him. This is not a pleasant thought for some.
danephillips 9 months ago
Part one of 4 part how many of you watched all of them ?
danephillips 9 months ago
What are the earliest christian manuscripts that we have? Aren't they from the 4th century...hundred of years after Jesus, in a language not spoken by Jesus?
GTosca10 10 months ago
@GTosca10 No the new testament writing date to those who were eyewitness of Jesus 40 ad - to around 69 ad .One note is all new testament being before 70 ad.Reason the Jewish temple was destroyed.This was one of the greatest events to hit jews in this time.Jesus also said this would happen.So the writers of new testament surely would have mention the temple destruction to show Jesus was right and because of the great sorrow for the destruction happening .
danephillips 9 months ago
@danephillips How were they dated to before 70AD?
GTosca10 9 months ago
@GTosca10 I explain that ... First Jesus said the temple would be destroyed they laughed at him then in 70 ad the temple was destroyed.Now the temple destruction was in fact the greatest sorrow to the jews within the time span.
So for those who wronmgly say the new testament was written 100's of years later they would have mention 70 ad temple destruction.Just like if someone was talking about USA 1999 - 2001 and they did not mention 911 you know the writting are before 911 or 9/11/2001 ..
danephillips 9 months ago
@danephillips By the way the temple destruction is still a great sorrow of the jewish people even to today .
danephillips 9 months ago
@GTosca10 Greek was the language of that part of the world like english is to day in the world .No the New testament is from those who knew Jesus and walked with him. 1 John 1 example they say we walked with Jesus we talked with him We touch him Jesus was here and we knew him.
danephillips 9 months ago
@danephillips Well, someone could have written about the Temple destruction prophesy after it had happened and say that Jesus predicted it.
Also, the 1 John 1 example...Someone said they walked with him...maybe they did or not. There is no proof there.
GTosca10 9 months ago
@GTosca10 Read the book a case for christ or evidence that demands a verdict ... (Psalm 10:4). It's not that a person can't find God, but that he won't. It has been rightly said that the “atheist” can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. He knows that if he admits that there is a God, he is admitting that he is ultimately responsible to Him. This is not a pleasant thought for some.
danephillips 9 months ago
@danephillips I´m not an atheist. I am a firm believer in God. I asked what the earliest christian manuscripts were...Your answer was that the New Testament was written by those who walked with Jesus because 1 John 1 says they did. So, should we believe Muhammed because he said he talked with angels? So, what ARE the ealiest Christian manuscripts? Not talking about copies...but original manuscripts. As far as I know they are well after the death of Jesus.
GTosca10 8 months ago
@GTosca10 Jesus was God and is God .Jesus came to forgive all people sins .Jesus has a woman caught in adultery.The people wanted to stone her.Jesus said you that are without sin pick up the stone and kill her.The people knowing they were sinners to went away Jesus said women go and sin no more. Muhammed had a women iof adultery and they asked what should we do . Muhammed say stoned her to death. Muhammed words are kill and destroy ..Jesus words are forgiveness.
danephillips 8 months ago
@danephillips I agree with your comparison of Muhammed and Jesus. I don´t understand how people can think Muhammed is a continuation of Jesus´ teachings. They are so different. Like you said, Muhammed practiced a lot of violence, Jesus taught love and forgiveness.
GTosca10 8 months ago
@GTosca10 Muslims proclaim they have a Koran that dates to the time of Muhammad, the Reality is different.
Two ancient partial copies of Koran that are in existence are the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent, and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul. What many Muslim's do not know, is that because these two manuscripts were written in a script style called "Kufic", practicing Muslim scholars generally date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died.
danephillips 8 months ago
@danephillips I´m not muslim either, but thanks. I´ve never heard those things about the Quran before.
GTosca10 8 months ago
@GTosca10 KING JAMES WAS BORN 6 1566 6TH OF SCOTLAND, HE GAVE 66 BOOKS AND CALLED THEM THE WORD OF GOD. JESUS IS THE WORD.THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST
MarkofBeastRevealed 8 months ago
@MarkofBeastRevealed Actually, the Codex Sinaiticus, which is the oldest complete copy of the New Testament was written over 1600 years ago. The Old Testament, of course, predates that by centuries.
GTosca10 8 months ago
@GTosca10 i know. but if it wasnt for constantine and king james then you wouldn't have the books. How did men live for God before the bible was put into their hands for hundred years ago? was it only the pedophile catholics that were saved? are men saved becaus they have read the bible? We need to be led of the Holy ghost. we have to be annointed by him. that means we have to stand through all fear and doubt with nothing to hold onto knowing that our salvation rests in the hands of God.
MarkofBeastRevealed 8 months ago
@MarkofBeastRevealed : I partially agree with your view of the bible. There is a lot of contradiction and error in that book (Bart Ehrman) I think Micah 6 : 8 sums it up "...what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God."
k0smon 7 months ago in playlist Apologetics etc.
@k0smon Right if you do justly and love mercy and walk humbly with God then he will not leave you undone and he will reveal truth to you. really it is always according to a persons heart. That is all we can do is seek him and pray that are heart is right with him. A lot of people can't read anyway the only thing that is important is if God chooses a person.
MarkofBeastRevealed 7 months ago
@GTosca10 They said all that BS before until dead sea scroll were found and date before time of Jesus. it's LOL how people uneducated in the history of the bible are so quick to make statements against it.Read the book then come back and talk .
danephillips 8 months ago
@danephillips Please don´t get upset. I´m just trying to discuss this with you. I have read the Bible many time. It is my understanding that the Dead Sea Scrolls contain mainly Old Testament writings and sectarian scripts but not much about New Testament. Is this the case?
GTosca10 8 months ago
@GTosca10 Not sure what the question is really .Yes dead seas scrolls match musch of the old testament exactly, but they were proof of the new testament in a way to.How see people use to say before the Dead Seas Scrolls were found that much of the old testament wish foretold Jesus were all just written after Jesus.So when the D,S scrolls were found it shut them up. Most people really do not understand the skill and exact coping that was done to keep manuscripts as there were orginally written.
danephillips 8 months ago
@danephillips I really wish youtube had a edit button !!!!
danephillips 8 months ago
@danephillips "So when the D,S scrolls were found it shut them up."
What do the dead sea scrolls prove?
blaisingm 7 months ago
@blaisingm One fact before the D.S scroll people said Isaiah 53 had to be written after Jesus because No where in all the Old Testament is it so plainly and fully prophesied, About Jesus,birth and suffer, and then his enter into his glory .. After D.S people knew that D S proved Isaiah 53 was well before Jesus .
danephillips 7 months ago
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@danephillips "One fact before the D.S scroll people said Isaiah 53 had to be written after Jesu"
So, what you're saying is that the Bible was not believable in any way until the dead sea scrolls were found? Would you be a christian if the dead sea scrolls were never found?
blaisingm 7 months ago
Well then Hot Shot. lets' start with the Exodus. show me the evidence. I want to believe it. Contradictions, Gen 1:21 God made man and woman Gen 2:21-23 God made woman Eve how can this be if they were already there?
Good Luck
TPLR2 10 months ago
@TPLR2
Great question, which has a very simple answer (if you actually WANT to know the truth). The first chapter of Genesis is a general account of the Creation. The second is all about God's first dealings with mankind.
The first chapter is panoramic, the second is just zooming in to give greater detail. Just read the Bible and you will see for yourself.
guerojordan 10 months ago 4
@guerojordan Those in the comment are clueless to even know how to read the scripture.God gives many different views of the same event often for greater detail :)
danephillips 4 months ago
@TPLR2 No contradiction just you not read all of the text,not just a verse here and verse there.. The bible often tell you a fact then goes back and gives more detail into the fact.
danephillips 9 months ago
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@danephillips If you want to believe that then that's your choice.
TPLR2 9 months ago
Wouldn't it be really brilliant if there were no mistakes at all. Then we could say with all the confidence in the world that the book was truly inspired by God. Not just a book full of stories handed down then eventually scribed.
There is no evidence for the Exodus whatsoever! You'd think that 2m people wandering in the desert for 40 years would leave some kind of mark. They even stayed in one place for 2yrs before entering "The Promised Land!" not even a sandal or a gravestone. Sad but true
TPLR2 11 months ago
@TPLR2 I am sorry but everything you just said is debatable. I would go back and do some real scholarly research their Hot shot!
shaolinschool2010 10 months ago
@shaolinschool2010 What is debatable about there being no evidence "Whatsoever" You show me the evidence "Hot shot!" as a Christian struggling with the facts I'm willing to be convinced Plus mate, there are hundreds of mistakes if not thousands in the New Testament! God bless
TPLR2 10 months ago
@TPLR2 For one do not use my expressions, only I can use those, and two if you assert that there is a contradiction in the bible you better be willing to back yourself up because from all I can see you brought a gun to the table without any ammunition. Why don't you try and do some real research and scholarship if you dare...
shaolinschool2010 10 months ago
@shaolinschool2010 Well yuo seek answer not for truth but to make yourself feel good.You love to seek after what makes you feel good and the idea that your a sinner offends you.Jesus God offers you a pardon from the crime of sin that we all have commited. But you do not want to be pardon because you think you have done nothing wrong.Pride has you rejecting God and his word...
danephillips 9 months ago
@danephillips Bro please do not misunderstand me...I believe the bible to be 100 percent accurate truth. And I will happily admit that I am a sinner in need of grace. It is only by Jesus' shed blood on the cross that my sins can be washed away and I can be forgiven. I apologize if you misunderstood me.
shaolinschool2010 8 months ago
@shaolinschool2010 "I believe the bible to be 100 percent accurate truth. "
Really? 100 percent?
blaisingm 7 months ago
@blaisingm Another person uneducated in the fact of the bible and the complete accurate truth within it's pages.Saying the bible is 100% accurate is not some blind statement it is in fact proven ... Bible is historical accurate 100% .It foretells the future like Isaiah 53 perfectly tells of Jesus . Even the science yes there science in the bible 100 Accurate. Read first then come back and talk .Dead sea scrolls showed many the complete exact text is the same as what we read today ...
danephillips 7 months ago
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@danephillips "Isaiah 53 perfectly tells of Jesus ."
Is it possible that the new testament was written with Isaiah 53 in mind?
blaisingm 7 months ago
@danephillips I do not reject God and his word. I have dedicated the next three years of my life to studying his word and learning all I can in Seminary.
shaolinschool2010 8 months ago
@shaolinschool2010 ::: Perhaps your experience will be the same as Bart Ehrman's, who found the bible not all it was pretenced to be.
k0smon 7 months ago in playlist Apologetics etc.
@shaolinschool2010 I have dedicated 25+ year to study the word of God .Run from seminary they 90% teach you what they decide to believe not what bible say.Get out of catholic church you get 90% of catholic BS not scripture .In catholic doctrine salvation is good works .This is a pure lie. As a excatholic who read the bible and realized catholic church was full of itself and little of the truth. Romans 7 Romans 8 .. We are saved by Jesus not by anything we can do to earn or Mary or Priest ....
danephillips 7 months ago
The differences are simply clerical errors, mispellings, word arrangement and the like and they are different from manuscript to manuscript. The don't alter doctrine. The variances that could possibly alter doctrine are so few that they can be debated or simply dismissed.
u2spooky 11 months ago
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Excellent! God bless!
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cindeemorgan 11 months ago
@TheDarvus "Therefore science and religious belief systems are related. No? Like, who wrote them, when they where written etc... I mean, they are scientific methods."
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning. What are scientific methods? Are you suggesting that if science can be used to study something, then they are related?
blaisingm 11 months ago
Sources, times spans , #s of manuscripts ... None it amount to much if the claims made simply aren't believable ... None of this would even be an issue if the claims were belivable ... This is all smoke & mirr0rs to bullshit seem plausible ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
It is important to understand that their is a BIG, BIG difference between science and religious belief systems. Science is a tool used to solve problems. Religious belief systems are things you believe in. You don't believe in science. Instead, you use it to solve problems just like your hammer. You don't believe in your hammer, you use it to solve problems. Science and religious belief systems are completely unrelated and unfit for comparison.
blaisingm 1 year ago
let get one thing straight, u can shove GOd up ur arse pal. god is a cunt if he is real. you on the other hand are a bible bashing idiot!
and as for bono, he is neither a believer in the old testiment nor is he a born again christian, you fucking idiot!
and stop using ythe idiology u2 had in 1982 to try and pass ur own views, u2 and bono in particular were very confused little boys at that time
now fuck off and use urself to fuckin sell urself asswipe knob cheese faggot bastard cunt head!
callummcphail 1 year ago
@callummcphail .lolol...Now there is a rational person. Funny how these people get soooo mad at believers and react like they haven't passed the 3rd grade. So quick to bash. I sure it's bothersome that EVERYTHING found by science only proves the Bible is real. No man could have know these things from so long ago. ..PROVE IT. Are you not trying to pass on your own views and beliefs right now?
elh126 6 months ago
@elh126 blah blah fucking blah!!!
callummcphail 6 months ago
Once he started blatantly lying I gave up, if they aren't going to treat the subject seriously then there is no point in watching.
TheTomtompiper 1 year ago
Difference in style and no difference in content. Bull... There is a difference in content from the Anticoh of Syria to the Alexandrian manuscripts. Come on dude. Where are you doing your research. I wonder in Hank makes any endorsement money for this kind of heresy.
knightschemdry 1 year ago
Han makes a mistake on 500 and instead of 5000. LOL Come on dude.
knightschemdry 1 year ago
I just read an article in my local newspaper about some Christians getting ready for the return of Christ. They say it will be May 21, 2011. LOL!
Ricardius1710 1 year ago
@cthluthlu I'm wondering if you even read the comments... as @Ricardius1710 pointed out, Lee is among the few scholars that hold these views. And I use the word "scholar" loosely because he grossly misrepresents the quality and nature of the Biblical manuscripts. Nearly all of the manuscripts are fragmentary, usually only a few verses or chapters, most were created 800+ years after the autographs, and there ARE numerous differences between each copy.Lee is either a charlatan or incredibly naive.
DrMerkwuerdigeliebe3 1 year ago
After reading several comments about this video posted by you skeptics, I wonder how some of you people even figure out how to dress yourselves in the morning. What Hank is clearly doing is refuting the charges by atheists that the Bible has been rewritten, edited, and altered many times over the centuries. Obviously with all the surviving manuscript evidence, those charges have been proven to be unfounded.
cthluthlu 1 year ago
@cthluthlu Oh, and we are to just take Hank on his word? Real bible scholars, such as John Dominic Crossan, Bart Ehrman and Robert Price have stated that the bible has been added to and taken away from and that it was originally passed down through oral transmission that got changed over time. We don't know who wrote the books in the bible and there's no doubt that they were written a long time after the supposed events. Not to mention there are many contradictions, even in the gospels.
Ricardius1710 1 year ago
@Ricardius1710 "Real Bible scholars?" those guys are so off the wall, but to each his own...
venom769 1 year ago
@venom769 You say they are off the wall because they are historians? They are renowned scholars in the field, if you say that they aren't, then you are just following along the lines of your scholars who teach at evangelical Christian seminaries. They are all Christians, so of course they are biased in that regard, unable to study outside of their deeply held beliefs.
Ricardius1710 1 year ago
The Bible is just not historically reliable. End of story.
Ricardius1710 1 year ago
Sooo, the bible is true because we have more copies than homer's iliad? Wow. This is as good as lee strobels empty tomb evidence. The tomb was empty so the only rational and logical explination is that an all powerful invisible spirit came down from the sky and took it. Silly christians
kx32ta1 1 year ago
This is the stupidest video I have ever seen. It should be filed under the file name of "stupidest video ever" so that people like me don't have to watch it and then wonder how to get back the 5 minutes and 16 seconds of my life that I just lost. Who care if the Illiad or Plato are forgeries or not? No one is going to condemn you to hell for violating Heroditus' teaching. Oh and Lee Stroble is full of shit.
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MopDMTBARTL 1 year ago
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep." -- Saul Bellow
He could have been talking about apologetics in general.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
Every single one of us has a different opinion of what we hear. It does not make all of us wrong or right. No man has a perfect interpretation of every single scripture and word. We argue back and forth, whos right whos wrong. When we are all wrong probably more than half the time about everything.
EarthEndDays 1 year ago
@TheXpozer I think you have misread my comments. I was saying that people like Strobel are misrepresenting the textual evidence and integrity of the NT when they say that there are thousands of NT manuscripts. There are only about 60 complete copies of NT manuscripts, and the other thousands are fragmentary, containing only a handful of chapters of verses of a single NT book. Please reread my comments as I think you have misunderstood my point.
DrMerkwuerdigeliebe3 1 year ago
@socomplete You make copies from copies of copies of copies of originals. I am not exactly sure what you are trying to get a with your question... There are zero original, autograph Biblical manuscripts, not even Strobel argues that.
DrMerkwuerdigeliebe3 1 year ago
This is great, but overwhelming "Manuscript evidence" isn't PROOF. All that Hank Hanegraaff is really arguing here, is that Homer's works are LESS reliable than the Biblical texts. That doesn't make the Biblical texts reliable.
instereovideos 1 year ago
Lee Strobel isn't hard to listen to until he says words like "feayict" (fact) or "meayips" (maps). Its really annoying, and no, I don't care what state he grew up in, so save it : )
instereovideos 1 year ago
The evidence for the reliability of the New Testament is overwhelming. However, people need to be very careful (people like Hank) because the manuscripts most certainly contains substantive errors. Hank asserts around 3:30 that there only exists a difference in "style" from one manuscript to another. This simply is NOT TRUE. Christians! Be careful! Live above reproach and get the facts right!
Nevertheless, like I said, the errors which exist are almost trivial. ("Jesus" or "Jesus Christ", etc.)
codyraymiller 1 year ago
Dr! What has not been found? Biblical Manuscripts? Are you serious with this question?
TheXpozer 1 year ago
How do you make a copy of something that has never been found?
socomplete 1 year ago
@socomplete analizing the ink, the paper,language and style of writing,place found you can do some dating. However the margin of error for copies can be 1- 5 decades. True though there is NO contemporary wriitngs during Jesus` life
ThirdProverb 1 year ago
google Doe's Account.
Phatcass 1 year ago
... or similar advocates of NT textual integrity may say. They frequently and consistently misrepresent the manuscript evidence of the NT, and I am surprised that they are not called out on these deceptions more often...
DrMerkwuerdigeliebe3 1 year ago
@DrMerkwuerdigeliebe3 How do you make a copy of something that has never been found? Do you know?
socomplete 1 year ago
Next, the vast majority of the manuscripts are fragmentary (containing only a few verses or chapters) and/or far removed temporally from the events described in them (10th century or later). For any given NT book there are about a few dozen to one hundred complete manuscripts. Finally, THERE ARE many differences between the manuscripts. I encourage you to look into the manuscript evidence more deeply and not to uncritically accept whatever Strobel (to be continued, sorry for long post...)
DrMerkwuerdigeliebe3 1 year ago
More than 5000 manuscripts of the NT? That statement is deceptive and a gross misrepresentation of fact. The NT is composed of 27+ books, and there are only about 60 complete or nearly complete NT manuscripts. Of these complete manuscripts, some contain what today are considered non-canonical books (in other words, the scribes considered them canon, but canon is another discussion all together...). (to be continued)
DrMerkwuerdigeliebe3 1 year ago
@DrMerkwuerdigeliebe3 How do you make a copy of something that has never been found? Do you know how that is even possible?
socomplete 1 year ago
I lol'd; thats all I wanted to submit to this video.
ArtificialClouds 1 year ago
I can't believe How deceitful this is! What a Bold face liar!
Cousinsjay 1 year ago
Why believe the Bible, if you're a truly born-again christian you WILL believe it! There is no other alternative. A genuine christian will abide by this very book of God.
RexxFalcon 2 years ago
read on the internet the 2001 LA Times featured article "doubting the story of the exodus" in which famous scholarly jews such as rabbi David Wolpe and professor Ze'ev Herzog discussed how the "exodus" was only a jewish narrative and not a real historical event. The "exodus" hoax was jewish strategy intended to steal Egyptian land with the eventual land claim that jewish ancestors had been enslaved inside Egypt for 500 years. If the "exodus" claims are false then judaism doesn't even exist.
HeFoundTomHagen 2 years ago
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@HeFoundTomHagen But there is evidence of a grand exodus as recorded in Egyptian text. Hyksos Scarabs have presented stories of the reign of Jacob.Hieroglyphics and wall drawings have been uncovered and authenticated depicting Moses being plucked from the Nile, standing before legions of followers, Egyptian chariots chasing slaves, even Aaron fashioning a calf as an idol. Modern divers have in fact found coral-encrusted chariot wheels and skeletal remains at the bottom of the sea.
MayonR 1 year ago
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - we don't even know for sure who those guys were or who wrote those documents in their name. Mark, apparently the oldest of the four, was based upon a now lost document called Q, which came from oral accounts of Jesus' ministry. And there are significant differences in the essays of the four evangelists, eg, how did Judas commit suicide, by hanging h imself, or throwing himself off the cliff?
shirleystemple 2 years ago
And don't talk to me about that red print edition of the bible like - hey, this is what jesus said. Hogwash!
Ever play that game around the campfire when you whisper a short story into the next person's ear, who whisper's it to the next, who whispers it to the next, etc.? By the time it gets to the tenth person, the story is completely different. There is NO WAY that the evangelists could have gotten anywhere near exactitude of what Jesus will have said decades later.
shirleystemple 2 years ago
That something has a lot of scriptures does not say anything about the intend and the basics of it. Something with 500000000 scriptures can still be evil and abusive and enslaving.
It doesnt mean that something that does miracles is good and has to be followed
it doesnt mean that when something re-appears it is good and has to be followed.
SpamAnn 2 years ago
and btw, there are mediums in this world receiving the same spiritual messages, while they live in other countries.
If that is deception, then why wouldnt the same thing that gave the same messages to the bible dudes?
Never ever blindly believe anything, no matter what miracles it does , no matter how clever it is.
Be self honest at all times and when something wants to be followed : be very very aware, that it is trying to deceive you.
SpamAnn 2 years ago
The God in the bible is a sadist who puts people in hell because they are from birth programmed to not believe. Free will is fake also, it doesnt exist. People have no free will, from birth you are programmed to be a certain way, a slave to your programmed mind. So your choices will depend on the previous programming, starts in childhood at very very young age.
And also: why believe and worship such a being in a book calling itself "God" ?
SpamAnn 2 years ago
Because it doesnt mean that it calls itself God that it is a good good you have to follow. Following always means no self-realisation, no self-honesty. it is blind worship and thus deception. people are not taught to be self honest and realise who they really are and jhow programmed they are. If our creator was a screwed up being, then we should in NO WAY follow it. And nothing is greater or lesser then another, thats ego judgement.
SpamAnn 2 years ago
I find it interesting, after scrolling down and reading some comments, that we christians have completely failed to deal with people's arguments here. Rather we just click and give them a poor comment rating.
one asked for arguments. they provided them and got no response.
one asked for supposed contradictions. they provided them and got no response.
What's wrong folks? Are you having a hard time proving that the bible is inerrant??? I don't believe it is either and I'm a christian.
Lightmane321 2 years ago
have you all noticed how on Hank's 'bible answerman show' that he always takes callers who have questions that he gives scripted answers?
I want to see Hank take on atheists and debate them and overcome their arguments. I'd like to see him overcome my arguments and he's much more knowledgeable than I am, but I don't believe that hell is eternal & I'll debate him any time.
On the other hand, I'd gladly debate Hitchens on God too, even though he too has more knowledge, and that's fine. bring it
Lightmane321 2 years ago
1 more thing. If the bible is the INERRANT word of God, then you have to explain to me how Almighty God would command the murder of babies and the stoning of human beings for various ridiculous reasons, like not being found to be a virgin on your wedding night. How sick is that?
My wife isn't a virgin. What should I do?
I don't know. Let's ask God.
God: Stone her to death!!!
HUH?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Crap!!!
Lightmane321 2 years ago
Hey Jesus? This woman was found in adultery. God's law says we should stone her to death. What do you say?
Jesus: Let he who is w/out sin cast the first stone.
Nobody throws a stone.
Jesus: Has no one condemned you?
Woman: No
Jesus: THEN NEITHER DO I CONDEMN YOU. Go and sin no more.
Wait a second! Jesus? Your father commands us to stone her. What gives? Are you disagreeing with your father?
That's not possible. So what then?
Hmmm... I wonder...
Maybe the bible was... WRONG??!!
Lightmane321 2 years ago
I guess god changed his mind lol. He was like: "ok if I want more humans to be on my side in the future, I gotta seem a bit less sadistical." XD
SpamAnn 2 years ago
@SpamAnn Gods Colateral Damage Control - Romans in charge - lets see - a little Judaism, a little paganism WALA - Christianity. That will keep everyone under control.
ThirdProverb 1 year ago
@Lightmane321 and you can`t use the argument that was old convenant. Jesus wasn`t crucified yet. Besides the adultery story was added much later and not found in any early manuscripts. surprise surprise
ThirdProverb 1 year ago
@ThirdProverb I know. I just learned that myself. I'm shocked. Oh well.
Lightmane321 1 year ago
The point of your post denied your view on it to me.
X3ROX3D 2 years ago
Nope. You missed my point. Jesus didn't obey the law of God to stone the woman found in adultery. He totally contradicts it. Now He has that right, seeing that He's Jesus, but then clearly that law was wrong, for Jesus did not DO what the law said, and the bible said that Jesus never sinned & sin is the transgression of the law, therefore I agree with Jesus that God NEVER said what the bible says He said. I say the bible was wrong and that it's not 100% inerrant.
Jesus was right.
got it?
Lightmane321 2 years ago
Hank Hannagraaf is an idiot. It, on the contrary, is easy to prove that the Bible is factually inaccurate, internally-inconsistent, and a pathetic literary work. The Koran is equally idiotic. An anthropomorphic God can easily be shown to be a logical absurdity. Even if you suppose there is a God and Devil, it is much more reasonable to presume the bible was written by the latter than the former. If I was the Devil, i'd want EVERY MAN reading his bible or Koran. They'd be MY BOOKS, MAN!
okthatsfine2 2 years ago
agreed.
huge idiot.
0nier0s 2 years ago
Lol true. if I was the devil, I would deceive people to write a book just like that so they will be devided forever, trapped in believes and followment.
SpamAnn 2 years ago
Most people are impressed by the number of manuscripts we have for the New Testament. The problem is the only institution that copied books was the Church, so we would expect lots and lots of copies of their holy text versus any other Greek works.
Christisms 2 years ago
No matter how solidly someone presents evidence that our modern-day Bible is an accurate translation of the earliest manuscripts, that doesnt prove that the original Biblical writings truly reflect the will of God.
timboytx 2 years ago
True, but you have to concede that having the most accurate form of the bible allows the believer to put their faith in what was the original meeting. For example say Jesus being Devine was not believed in the first century would mean that today's believer has placed their faith in what was never originally intended. Truthfully personal 'paradigm' is what determines what we accept and what we reject
stephjh2006 2 years ago
stephjh2006, I don't know what you mean by "original meeting". And phrases like "most accurate" and "originally intended" can be misleading and falsely reassuring, since we do not know--in a factual sense--what is "accurate", nor what the original intentions were. So we cannot truly know how far off the mark we are in our assessments.
timboytx 2 years ago
That's true..but its a start. Have to prove that the accuracy of the bible before you can call it Gods word.
TrueTaike 2 years ago
So what are you going to do? If all we have is the Bible originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic, then translated into English, do we still have a choice whether to believe it or not? If you're saying that it isn't the word of God, then what is?
TheInfinite91 2 years ago
What I'm "going to do" is exactly what I am doing. I am questioning whether the text referred to as the "word of God" contains human-imposed distortions handed down through the centuries. I want to know "the Truth" as much as anyone, but at this point we can only make our own individual assessment of what constitutes the Truth, based on personal belief and opinion.
timboytx 2 years ago
Oh well that's fair enough. =)
TheInfinite91 2 years ago
it was in the hands of corrupt church organisations, so the chances are high. Since way back, they were really after the money.
SpamAnn 2 years ago
In my opinion, if the hand of man was involved, then there is room for error, no matter what the context. In the context of scriptures, of course, using the word "error" implies that there is a "right" and "wrong" according to what God intended--which is merely an assumption.
timboytx 2 years ago
If the hand of man was involved in compossing with great care and precision such a book, then you can make it without error.
Some contradictions:
God is the author of evil Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/Amo 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
SpamAnn 2 years ago
Hi ann. I'm kinda bummed I blocked you. I sorta miss our conversations the way your twisted logic would tickle my brain in just the right places. Sorry I called you all kinds of names like evil, demon, and reptillian etc..... I mean even though you are I'm sorry cuz I miss our once beautiful relationship... ah. oh well. I might as well just come out and say it. Please make me a destibot. I can't take the abuse anymore. wait, my program is self destructing.. ahhhhhh self destruct mode
vaporose 2 years ago
Hi SpamAnn. I can't tell. Are you an atheist? You seem to have some venom in your words. Were you burned in the past? It sounds that way. I'm a christian and while I agree with you in some regards, I think you're a little over the top in others. I'd love to talk to you. Feel free to email me through youtube. I think I can help you out a little in some ways...
Lightmane321 2 years ago