Dean Spars With Landrieu Over Health Care Reform: "You Took Away Our Choice"

[CosmosPrivateer]

We should eliminate the insurance companies. They suck 30 percent of our health dollars and add no service we can't replace with a bunch of computers.

[Townclownsunite]

Sen. Mary Landrieu was protecting BIG insurance companies then and she's protecting BIG Oil companies now. Yes, she is a conservative Democrat that needs to be removed from office and replaced with a real progressive Democrat.

[LICK5d]

I totally agree with him, obama sold us out. And that pisses me off because I voted for him. And he sold us to the insurance industry.

[charlie1der]

Now I´m REALLY confused.

[bigdogphoto]

Vote them all out but buy more ammo and cling to your guns, bibles and Constitution just in case. Who are these handful of rogue politicians. What makes them think they are going to steal our liberty ... bribing each other

with our nations treasure to force oppressive laws for 300 million just so they can stay in power. They are supposed to govern not rule. This is no longer a democratic republic when "public servants" think they hold the power.

The constitution protects the individual.

[whereitsat309]

@bigdogphoto er.... hey big dog... how do you "cling" a gun? Do tell Obi-wan...!

[shndola]

Landrieu wouldn't make 100 bucks in a night employed at the bunny ranch....unless a dashing gentleman such as Dingy Harry comes along for a 300 million dollar lap dance

[5837654932]

mary landrieu is a sell out

I and many more from LOUISIANA will vote you out of office

Tramp

[cocobear33]

both bills are a joke and will just mess things up even more

[hadenufnow]

THE current bill is not the answer ,,,does not address proper Tort Reform, "undocumented" access for expensive non-life threatening HC , & does not provide MOST IMPORTANTLY an OPT OUT Provision for those that believe it is still too bloated with waste & inefficiencies resulting in inflated premiums not in keeping with services provided.

....A mandate stuffed inside a trojan horse bill for HC is a skunk in the road...too stupid to debate...

REPEAL the BIll nobody ever wanted

[Satak8]

Fuck that fucking cow.

[ggammel]

Rude blond, Rude Chris, Better listen to:

PATRIOT Howard Dean, MD, practiced medicine throughout his terms as VT Rep, 1982, & Lt. Gov (1986)~became Gov 1991~was elected to FIVE 2-yr terms 1991-03~was 2nd longest Gov of VT~served as Chair of Nat'l Govs 1994-95; & as Gov, pd off much of VT public debt~balanced budget 11 times~TWICE lowered Income Tax~~oversaw expanding Dr. Dinosaur to ensure health care for VT kids/expectant moms! He is a PATRIOT unlike the POTUS.

[thecruiseliner]

Establishes the Health Insurance Exchange ( JUST LIKE CONGRESS GETS ) within the Health Choices Administration in order to

provide individuals and employers access to health insurance coverage choices, including a public health

insurance option.

[thecruiseliner]

1.prohibits preexisting condition exclusions

2.guarantees coverage to all individuals and employers and automatic renewal of coverage

3.prohibits rescission of health insurance coverage without clear and convincing evidence of fraud.

4. Prohibits an essential benefits package from imposing any annual or lifetime coverage limits.

5. Limits annual out-of-pocket expenses to $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family.

6. Sets forth provisions to reduce health care fraud

etc etc

[100wattamp]

Cruiseliner states that the healthcare bill prohibits preexisting condition exclusions which is true but it does not limit what they insurance company can charge you.

I have a pre existing condition and have been denied coverage from all insurance carriers operating in my state. They have either denied coverage outright or set the premiums so high as to make it impossible for myself and my wife to afford, plus the coverage was laughable.

[thecruiseliner]

REad:

3.prohibits rescission of health insurance coverage without clear and convincing evidence of fraud.

4. Prohibits an essential benefits package from imposing any annual or lifetime coverage limits.

5. Limits annual out-of-pocket expenses to $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family.

[gbhobson]

Landrieu whored herself off for a 300M pricetag. After this bill crashes and burns, then it can be properly dissected and reviewed piecemeal. Giving proper consideration to the component parts, and putting them through legislative process in increments is the only *honest* way to ratchet up any of it ~ and strip out the unconstitutional parts along the way.

[TenRoc382k9]

Dean is right Obama and the dems sold the ppl out 74% of the people wants the public option

[shalcall]

Did Landrieu just tell a bold faced lie at the end?

[mjnr7777]

Libs fighting each other....how funny!

[Realizalize]

this time around gop os ready to sign a nonsense, screwover bill with all of them voting for it.

they have water down the bill with spitting on it when a check book passed 24 yards around them, and they are definetly willing to make it seem as if it as a cool idea to sign the crap they`ve produced. (deathpanel!! sic.!)

[thecruiseliner]

Congress writes and passes bills.

Not the president... he will be fine, but the congressional democrats will be the loosers because even with a majority, they cant pass a bill....

Republicans will be the winners, and Fox, will get more viewers and money than MSNBC. Since apparently Fox can influence public opinion more than the other.

As much as some would love to pin it on the pres.....the congress dems will be the ones looking for a job, and the people who work for them....

[MVX12]

because of obama just look at this party disunity.

obama is a weak leader pure and simple.

[thecruiseliner]

The president campaigned on an "exchange, a pool, with choices like congress does. I remember that clearly from one of the debates...and I also remember that Hillary wanted to mandate all to purchase insurance.

That is the truth jack......

[thecruiseliner]

If the president does not get a bill on his desk for signing....ONLY the CONGRESS DEMOCRATS will be out of a job. The president is ready to sign it...UNLIKE Bush who would veto it.

So Congressional Democrats the only ones who will loose are YOU.

Also the media who influences public opinion...like the MSNBC's will loose, if the president does not get a bill on his desk.....

the winners than will be the Republicans and Fox.

Someone will be looking for another job soon.????

[quizerry]

@thecruiseliner The president will sign anything no matter how bad or how costly just to say he got a bill. The sad thing is this bill will reform nothing and will end up costing taxpayers a 20% reduction in income over the next few years. One thing that would be far better then any of these proposed bill is allowing purchasing power across state lines. That would give 17 million access to affordable healthcare and it would drive premiums down by creating competition. It is not in this bill.

[RealRepublican1]

Howard Dean is more interested in screwing the Insurance Industry than in giving us Health care Reform. I;ve read the bill, and there is great change and limits in out of pocket expenses. Stop whining liberals and let's pass this bill.

[Slash417]

This woman is an idiot.

[bigdogsdontbark]

Landrieu is a whore and Dean is a screamer. Either way, they both have to pay their pimp Obama!

[blkconservativ]

liberals attacking each other is a beautiful thing.

[100wattamp]

Landrieu is not, nor has she ever been a liberal. At least democrats are smart enough to recognize that the democratic party has within its fold a liberal, moderate, and right wing. In the past, it possible for the party to deliver on their promises to their constituents, when compromise was deemed important to maintain party viability. Today, this only helps the most extreme on the right, insuring the left that they will never receive what they ask for. Its time for a true liberal party.

[blkconservativ]

i've said it before and i'll say it again. i love to see dems/liberals attack one another. keep up the good work ,guys.

[100wattamp]

bikconservativ

You do what you were created to do, which is watch two opposing forces fight, till one side comes away victorious. What else are republicans good for... but comic relief. So you go ahead, sit, watch... learn how the big boys do it.

[blkconservativ]

"learn how the big boys do it?" these so called "big boys" are nothing more than graduates from clown college. liberals put up this facade like they're as one when 2 lib senators were bribed to vote for this healthcare theivery. so what am i supposed to be learning from two liberal idiots who can't even get their stories straight? i did learn the people will be coming out in droves to get rid of these lying dems in 2010. so sit, watch, wait & see.

[Townclownsunite]

@blkconservativ - "i did learn the people will be coming out in droves to get rid of these lying dems in 2010"- What? And replace them with lying Republicans in 2012?

[thevirtueallliberal]

Landrieu, Lieberman, and all the rest of the conservative Democrats are corporate prostitutes !!! I'm glad Dean is fighting for progressives and real health care reform !!! Not wealth care reform !!

[Orchard6773]

Socialized medicine is disguised as a humanitarian effort but it's just a power grab and has nothing to do with helping the American people.

The Obaaama sheeple on the left think that bigger government is the only answer but it's just getting us deeper into trouble and nowhere closer to the utopia they're searching for.

This is just one more step towards socialism and we have one of the most corrupt congresses ever.

[100wattamp]

Obama is not a liberal! That is why we "the liberals" are pissed! He is nothing more than a corrupt, capitalist, bought and paid for schill for the military industrial complex! Socialized medicine? What f**king country do you live in? Have you ever been to a doctor in this country? When you receive your bill do you say "thank you federal government for covering the cost to see my doctor" or do you say "f*ck, the insurance bill is due and I don't have the money to pay my premiums right now!"?

[harlexWTF]

as much as Dean was right, let her speak.

THEN you can bitchslap her.

they sounded like a bunch of old ladies.

Could barely understand them...

[bcon4136]

wow her voice is so annoying, shut the fuck up

[100wattamp]

Dean and kucinich are the true democrats worthy of the democratic title. Landrieu is a f**king wh*re for the insurance industry! Landrieu and lieberpuss should be tarred and feathered! I can't believe that we who are on the left, were conned into voting for Obama. What a monstrous let down.

[JayPhilosopher]

Landrieu, friend of the health insurance industry, just lied, and sadly the Democratic Party has just exploded.

[bigc028282]

Obuma told ABC "news" that if the "heath care" pork bill isn't signed, the government is going to go BANKRUPT. WTF!

Where's my HOPE and CHANGE "SINGLE PAYER" MF's?!

[DillonX]

Call your Democratic Senator today or e-mail & advise them if they don't oppose the LIBERMAN HEALTH COMPANY BILL, you will oppose them

Dean is right -we're getting screwed!

[beelzabubbleboy]

Down with Landrieu !!!

[john48martin]

"If that's not enought I don't know what is" If she thinks we believe that, she is on crack. NO IT IS NOT ENOUGH. . Stop the insurance company rape of this country by stoolies in the Senate like Landrieu. The public option forces insurance companies to be competitive and stop the rape.

[tmason777]

Too bad the whole segment isn't shown though. Dean looks like a friggin national hero! The WH should've cut a deal w/ him long ago. Y'all really should get ya game up though. I know it's cool getting press seats and all but soon others'll be eating all your lunch...real soon. I'm a slow runner to the truth, should be more like a canary to y'all.

[tmason777]

Touché

[Meloman0001]

All of you living in Landrieu's state need to VOTE HER OUT immediately.

[pokemanz]

Forced mandates with no choice.

They are committing political suicide for money. When they all get thrown out of office, they'll all be rich fucks.

Everyone hates the republicans, but with no other option, watch them sweep in.

[synapsecracklepop]

If I sell you a loaf of bread for a dollar, and it cost me 75 cents to make it, then my profit is 25 cents. This is commerce, and I'm a Baker. If I sell you a loaf of bread and my profit is 25 cents PLUS however many slices I can get away with stealing back from you, I'm not a Baker, I'm an Insurance Corporation. This is NOT commerce. This is NOT industry. Mandating the purchase of junk insurance, will kill the Democratic Party. It will be a 20% tax with negligible benefits. It's illegal.

[synapsecracklepop]

When Landreu claimed Dean wanted to "end private insurance," he really got hopping mad. It's a standard GOP talking point and he should have kept his cool. "If you don't support fascism, you're a communist." It's complete fucking hogwash and easily disproven. It's effective in these lightening rounds. "The lie oft told."

[ainemacdermot]

Non-profit Cooperatives != Public Option. Landrieu has no clue what she is talking about, or she is choosing to equate the two things AND choosing to forget what Obama campaigned on. Liars. Next election, I'm voting 3rd Party.

[john48martin]

good luck with that. If you thought 60 was hard to get wait til your wasted vote gets a republican elected.

[ainemacdermot]

The mistake you and other voters make is in thinking there's a difference between Democratic and Republican "corporatists"... the divide is not D v. R, or Left v. Right, it's the 2% Richest / Transnational Corporate v. the 98% rest of us.

[terrence0258]

It was going too well too long for Democrats and now they are starting to implode.

[Dyldo21]

agreed

[Dyldo21]

If the reps werent so fucking greedy and corrupt this would be done already. Its what the majority of people want ( as shown in many polls i've seen) People want the public option.... it is after all a fucking OPTION nobody is going to get in the way of your doctors, because after all if you think thats whats going to happen stay with your fucking insurance provider and dont go to the universal.... But noo it is now clear that in this country the people have no say.

[cragholder]

@Dyldo21 are you that stupid. If the 'people' want it the dems. have enough votes to get it. The reps don't have the votes to stop it. The dems just can't come up with a good enough bill that even their own people will support.

[Dyldo21]

Had to delete the part about the douchebag dems with too much many given to their campaigns from the ins. companies cuz I went over on the character count jeezz. chill out.............. but really are you stupid?

[cragholder]

I guess you are ignorant. If the majority had their way Obama and his health care scam would have been tossed long ago. Too bad the Constitution is getting in his way. The government has too much control now and the dems want more.

[hempec]

1. I'm not convinced a majority is against single payer.

2. I'm not convinced a majority of Americans are qualified to have an opinion.

The number of people that believe or don't believe in something has nothing to do with that something's merit. If I'm in a room full of people who have never read Hamlet, but ask them how they feel about it, what kind of quality in opinion are you going to get? If this is your logic, who is the ignorant one?

[quizerry]

@cragholder I'm with you. The Government already sets the prices for half the healhcare sector directly and the other half indirectly. They control cumsumption and production. They have doen a lousy job of keeping cost down and their policies have actually caused our high prices. We may have a private market but private isn't free market when Government calls all the shots. People blame insurance yet it is the Government that took the decision out of consumers hands and they drives prices.

[KataVideo]

mary landrieu sickens me. may mary and her shit-eating grin go bankrupt.

[themou2008]

Good grief! yakyakyak. Shut the hell up. You get tired of people talking over eachother. And they complained about townhall mannerisms.

[saburoemon]

this one time at band camp...

[inmyforties]

the democratic party should be dissolved or renamed to "miscellaneous". it just makes no sense this woman and stupak of the stupak amendment are in the same party as, say, ted kennedy and howard dean

[TrollBuster9090]

@inmyforties

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat."

--Will Rogers

It was true then, and it's still true. Southern Democrats were always more conservative than northern Republicans, for instance. But at least in the old days they could still manage to get a few things done by arriving at a consensus. But apparently the modern Democratic party has a few members that would rather see their party go down than lose their own seat or their own lobby money.

[iamafractal]

"if that's not enough, then i don't know what is."

yeah.. so would you please resign and let somebody who DOES know take your place?

[bobhardball]

Listen up, Liberals: This is THE reason, why you should stop laughing at Conservatives for launching purity tests, 'cause ''moderates'' are full of shit and real troublemakers!!!

[TrollBuster9090]

Actually it's conservatives who are full of shit, and the problem Democrats have is that the mainstream media won't call these Democrats what they are: CONSERVATIVES.

Liberals wanted single payer and moderate "centrists" proposed a public option as a compromise, which the reasonable liberals were willing to settle for. People who hate gun control, abortion rights, and any form of public enterprise are, and always have been conservatives whether they have D in front of their name or not.

[bobhardball]

All your trouble/problems are caused by ''moderates''. That is a FACT!!!

[route99]

I don't think we have to be as lockstep and fanatical as the right-wing.

I think most liberals expect the far-right of the Democrat party to stop biting the hand that casts a ballot for them in the general election.

The President pulled ahead of McCain in the 2008 campaign on the health care reform issue. This is not the comprehensive health care reform he promised.

The party is being held up by 4 or 5 unprincipled Senators. Harry Reid needs to show some leadership and move forward.

[route99]

When Landrieu says we never had a choice about mandatory private insurance sign ups I believe her.

The private Ins. Co's stomached the reform on pre-existing conditions and payout caps because they knew they were getting 30M new costumers, guaranteed.

The heat from the town halls was nothing compared to the arm twisting in DC the Democrats are getting now. As soon as they drafted real competition, the Medicare buy-in, the lobbyists swooped in like vultures.

Vote out the sell outs!

[HarveyRex23]

Mary Landrieu's going to lose in her bid for re election. And you can take that to the bank.

[TrollBuster9090]

Landrieu isn't up for re-election until 2014. Considering that the average voter has the memory span of a gnat, that means she can do pretty much anything she wants.

Ben Nelson (2012) and Blanch Lincoln (2010) are more tempting targets, which is probably why the progressives were targeting Lincoln with TV ads this summer, and she folded.

[HarveyRex23]

You stand correct. The fat bitch's seat isn't up for grabs until 2014.Her, Blanche Lincoln, & that piece of genetic human waste Joe Lieberman can do more considerable damage until then. But I believe Lieberman is up for re election in 2012. And as far as the American voter goes. I couldn't agree w/ you more. If American actually had a cerebral electorate, we probably wouldn't have a lot of these problems w/ corporate lobbyists paying off politicians, etc. Americans are dumber than horse manure.

[WadeBlazingame34]

I am now going to support Howard Dean over Barack Obama for 2012.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Well let's just hope people don't shit their pants over him getting a little passionate in a speech again.

This guy could have been our president in 2004, and just beginning his 2nd term now. Think of how different things would be.

[bombonyou]

FUCK THE CORPOCRATS!

[ar4216]

Lying bitch. Fuck her.

[ar4216]

God bless you Howard Dean! Landrieu is a disgusting human being who doesn't give a fuck about the American people- only her pals in big business. Fuck these assholes. Liebercare must be STOPPED! We need real reform that benefits the American, not rapes us in the ass! Fuck these sell outs.

[newsweekrocks]

If Obama can't even get this bill through congress in his first year then there really isn't hope to see anything from him in any area in the coming years. Presidents have most of their power in first year in regard to getting things the way they want and just see this mess.

disappointing to say the least.

[Ed76638]

Mary doesn't like it when you beat on her core constituency like that.

[animeownage86]

Disgusting... these clowns and puppets putting on a show for all the sheep.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

You guys shouldn't assume everyone is a "sheep". Your sources have you not trusting a single thing anyone says but trusting everything they say. I'd say that is much more powerful mind control than what a lot of us "sheep" have. We question all sources-whether they are telling us to trust THEM, or to NOT trust someone else. Then, we simply apply logic.

That's what it REALLY means to not be a "sheep".

[animeownage86]

No, people like you switch sides bouncing off the fake left and fake right every two seconds based on the asinine performances there puppets put on and whatever lie sounds most appealing to you that and the fact that the truth the REAL truth is so outrageous and terrifying that you would outright ignore it and condemn it as Crazy or label it into one of your factious political partys to demonize it.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

First of all, if you conspiracy theorist sheep want us to know the "truth", THEN GET YOUR FUCKING STORY STRAIGHT!

I mean Jesus Christ, I used to be kind of into that shit until I realized that every fucking theory has a different world history, a different conclusion, and different villains and different heros and that most of the people who believe those theories don't seem to care about that inconsistency.

I don't believe everything I see in the MSM, like you do with conspiracy theories.

[bkarwin]

Chris Matthews' show is worthless when he allows people to talk over each other like this. Every time I see a clip from his show, this is the style of debate. It's a sad waste of time. No one gets a chance to complete a sentence, so it's no wonder we all misunderstand each other's proposals so much.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

I don't know. I pretty much got the gist of it. Dean was saying that there is no public option, or anything comparable to it and that the bill will will just force us to buy health insurance without containing the abuses of it, and Landrieu was saying that a public option would eliminate the entire industry, but they do have something comparable to it, & Dean still disagreed.

[neutralpundit]

When is Alan Grayson going to weigh in on all this? It would be awesome to see him join with Gov. Dean and KILL the Lieberman piece of shit bill.

I can't remember ever being so disappointed in a politician as I am right now with Obama. I really thought he was a true leader, but now I am beginning to realize that I, like millions of others, was wrong about him. His lack of leadership on this issue is as disgusting as Tiger Woods's promiscuity.

I'm so sad today.

[ONQproductions]

I heartily agree. I voted for the man, then went back after the polls closed to caucus for him, had a yard sign and still have a bumper sticker, and I live East Texas!

But I have had enough. I have never been more disappointed with anyone for whom I've voted before. Gitmo, Patriot Act, Iraq, Afghanistan, Blackwater, torture, health care, unemployment, Lieberman, and on, and on...

The ONLY thing he's accomplished is that he kept the economy from imploding, by making rich bankers richer.

[BullnBearAnalytics]

Howard Dean reminds me of Jon Stewart, sounds like him too.

[hollygolightly66]

She's been well paid by the leadership and I'm sure Rahm will make sure the DNC backs her financially in her next election. She gave ole crazy Bachman a run for nuttiest nutbar in that clip.

[someperson111]

The BLATANT lying by the Senator was APPAULING, she should be ashamed.

[PersonalJesus348]

Rep. Weiner was correct in stating why it really isn't a "free market". I like how americans just say things without knowing their definition.

In medicine:

You cannot say the price livers will go down in Dec. so you will wait.

You cannot go to school and learn to perform surgery on yourself.

You can't say, I rather you work on my heart instead of my liver. Or get 2 for 1.

These are free market options. Nowhere to be seen in medicine. It never was a free market...

[rangergranger]

The insurance companies are covered under an ANTI-TRUST EXEMPTION, and have spent millions of dollars lobbying Congress to keep it that way.

That's your "free market" for you.

[phffeir]

free market? please. yeah, i have a choice, that choice is stick with the only insurance plan my company offers, or don't have insurance at all.

pretty limited 'choice' if you ask me

[bigc028282]

ABC "NEWS" just had Obuma tell us all, that if we don't get the Health care bill through, the "government" will GO BANKRUPT"!

Looking forward to the stock market dump tomorrow. Like we didn't lose enough from our 401's the last time.

It's messed up when you beg for another retard like Bush, because all we got was an uglier change of face than the last. WTF!

GREAT HOPE AND CHANGE! Where's my "SINGLE PAYER" MR's!?

[phffeir]

the government's already bankrupt, it's been so for almost a hundred years. that's why we have a deficit. a public option may not be the best way to deal with that debt, but considering we can get $500 BILLION to pay for the option just from medicare subsidies, it's scary to think how much MORE money the government hands out to the insurance industry on top of that

[phffeir]

and if i'd have to choose, i'd put 100% of that money to people who actually need it and don't have health care, not hand it out to insurance companies so they can fulfill their multi billion dollar executive payroll

[bigc028282]

NO SHIT. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU??

How will his statement affect the stock market, and peoples perception of the dollar?

[bigc028282]

I thought Clinton fixed the deficit.

He and Ken Lay shared a "man of the year", along with Hitler 28, Stalin 39&48, Nixon, Bushes multiple times, Ayatollah Khomeini, and Obuma's banker buddy BERNANKE. It's an interesting list.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Im sorry but that "worse than Bush" stuff is still pretty ridiculous.

If we could see an alternate universe where Bush was still president for this past year, I am pretty damn sure this one would still look more desirable.

Do people really think this is as bad as things can get? Do you really think Bush would have stabilized the unemployment rate?

Obama has been a disappointment to me-because I am very far to the left & he isn't. But he's not a total fuck up. People are a little impatient.

[bigc028282]

@IAMtheNewWorldOrder At least he wasn't so f*cking stupid as to tell ABC "NEWS" that "if they didn't sign the "health care" bill, the government would go bankrupt".

That's about the only real thing that's different between the 2. NOT THE STUPID PART, the STUPID STATEMENT.

I know, we've been bankrupt since the great depression. Most don't know that, and we will see what happens with the stock market and dollar tomorrow.

" very far left", move to another country, the minority won't win out here.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Luckily, I don't think investors and CEO's are all as crazy & dimwitted as you and the rest of the tea bag crowd.

I might listen to you guys when you talk about economics, if it wasn't for the fact that ever since the 80's, we just keep doing things more and more the way you want them to be done, and our deficits keep plunging, and the gap between rich & poor keeps growing, with the vast majority of middle class people earning less instead of more. We know YOU think you're right but you're not

[bigc028282]

@IAMtheNewWorldOrder BUT NOTHING HAS CHANGED with the left up front. The majority in congress with be flipped in the next election, just like every time the majority is in the WH.

I think your the dimwit. You sound like the "talking points" NWO. Hows AJ doing anyway?

[animeownage86]

So by the end of his term and when nothing has changed you'll still be saying "People are impatient and he should be reelected for a third term" right? Please the reason Obama isn't "Far Left" is because when the democrats won the roles were reversed the hero's became the bad guy's and the republicans the good guy's or so it superficially appears when in actually this is just all an illusion of choice and both sides are together against us. If Bush was still here people would have woke up.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

jobs lost in January when Obama took office 700,000

jobs lost in October 111,000

jobs lost in November 11,000.

Now-why should those numbers just be automatically going down exponentially like that? Why wouldn't they STILL be increasing each month like they were when Bush left?

Some idiots took some hypothetical money from rednecks who "bought" McMansions & they gambled it in the stock market, causing some of the oldest, largest banks to crash.

Greed & stupidity. Wow-what a conspiracy!

[boots920]

1776 Gold $20 in US paper

1913 Gold $20 in US paper with central bank in control

1933 Gold $20 in US paper (government fucks take "We the people's gold

1939 Gold $20 Government fucks default on their contract to give the gold back

1971 Gold $35 Nixon ends gold backing of US dollar because he was counterfeiting money to pay for Vietnam

2009 Gold $1100 Federal Reserve Note becomes worthless paper because they're counterfeiting to pay for sandbox wars.

Wow what a rip off ?

[TrollBuster9090]

Why is it a rip off when our salaries have kept pace with it?

Price of gold 1933: $26/oz

Average salary 1933: $1500 (or 58 oz of gold)

Price of gold 2007 (before the panic spike, and where it will likely return): $695/oz

Average salary 2007: $45000 (or 65 oz of gold)

If you really insist on getting your salary in gold, just go and trade your paper for some gold. You can still buy as much as you could in 1933.

[boots920]

Real money never gains in value it just stays constant.

Its not the price of gold that has me worried , its the low interest rates offered on paper money. You're forced to buy gold otherwise you lose purchasing power.

2000 Gold $265 45,000 salary or 169 oz

2009 Gold $1125 45,000 salary or 40 oz

But here's the kick in the nuts if you kept it in cash

45,000 now worth 11,000 (75% loss)

169 oz now worth $190,000 US

That's why fiat money sucks it can't hold value when they counterfeit.

[boots920]

"Price of gold 2007 (before the panic spike, and where it will likely return): $695/oz"

1971 Gold $35 then Nixon (asshole) ends the gold backing of the US dollar.

When the gold price going back to $35 before the panic spike, and where it will likely return.

That's how fucked we are , all courtesy of the FEDERAL RESERVE FUCKERS !!!

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Boots why do you even post on these videos? Do you watch them, or do you just say "I'm gonna go tell these idiots about the gold standard! Then they'll understand."

Are you hoping someday all hell breaks loose so people can say "Yeah, Boots920...he knew all along! He was trying to tell us!"

I bet that's your ultimate fantasy.

Gold is a finite resource which you can not eat. It's just shiny and kind of rare and humans like shiny, rare shit.

It's just a hunk of metal though really.

[boots920]

"It's just a hunk of metal though really"

You bet its worth $35 US

When the market says its $1125 US the fuckers are counterfeiting money.

Gold Price two functions:

1) Store of value it should never go up , never go to 0 value

2) Interest rates are set to gold price

Example Gold at $850 Interest Rates should be 21 %

like when volker the fucker raised interest rates

Just start hanging the fuckers for counterfeiting money and fucking up the planet. Live Free or Die

[bigc028282]

@IAMtheNewWorldOrder WHERES MY HOPE AND CHANGE "single payer" MF's?

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Where are YOUR solutions and ideas?

You're so excited about taking back DC. What is your intellectually bankrupt party gonna do when they actually have the majority and can't just criticize dems all the time?

I thought 8 years of Bush was enough for people to learn that even though dems are far from perfect, republicans are far from being SANE and far from being COMPETENT in any way shape or form.

We really should have let the right own this recession. But I like not being homeless.

[jtilak]

who is this woman representing? the people or the insurance companies? she sounds like an insurance company lobbyist

[TrollBuster9090]

In the absence of serious campaign finance reform, EVERY congressman is essentially a lobbyist. We have only two kinds of congressmen:

The BAD, who foolishly think it's possible to strike a balance between pleasing their constituents and their lobby group backers, and

The WORSE, who only worry about the interests of their lobby group backers, and then use their lobby funds to hoodwink the voters into thinking what's good for the lobbyists is also good for them, whether it is or not.

[Dyldo21]

Agreed x 1000000

[freesk8]

There is no "choice" to force others to pay for your health insurance.

That's theft.

Dean's a cleaver sophist.

Free markets are the only ethical choice, and also the most effective way to get health insurance for the poor.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Taking people's premiums and then denying them coverage when they need it the most is theft, but it's the way you make profits in the health insurance industry.

Oh, but I guess as long as you buy politicians and make your version of theft legal, then it's not theft and there's suddenly nothing wrong with it.

[jjrglobal]

Why dont they pass laws against this type of fraud by ins co's. If you buy a policy they should never be able to drop you for any reason or deny any charges,it should be a lifetime policy. We also need to start using insurance for its intended purpose, catastrophe's. A checkup or sick visit to the doctor is not a catastrophe. Also remove regulations on hospitals, they are just hotels anyway and there should be as many hospitals as there are hotels, with the same range in pricing.Motel 6 to Ritz

[TrollBuster9090]

Defining taxation as theft is also sophistry.

It's only theft to Austrian School "economists" and libertarians, who define virtually everything government does as "theft" or infringment of liberty. For a movement that claims to be based on rationalism it sure leans heavily demagoguery. I wonder how far the modern libertarian movement would get if they didn't constantly rely on emotionally charged words.