Mercedes 190E Evo II induction sound

[J3n555]

Sound like the e30 M3 also :)

[SpikeRazzor]

Who the fuck would think that's a V8?

[GroveWRF]

one of the best Mercedes ever made...

[Adrian2439]

Yea is a 2.5 16v R4 Cosworth evo2 235 hp in stock engine, this is tuned.. Dtm version is v8.

[DavidePrc]

@Adrian2439

No lol, the dtm version uses the same 2.5 Cosworth engine, butt tuned to about 400hp

[joer1989]

is that a v8

[TheVtieg6]

Beautiful engine!

[superfast30]

This car is clearly running the the DTM spec 2.5: inline 4!

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@superfast30 what about the shifting though? paddle shifters? how can it be such quick shifts?

[tommy9927]

@SeeProfileForDetails

Acutally DTM was one of the first series after F1 to come up with sequential shifters. The 1993 works Mercedes where partially equipped with a sequential box. These were Class 1 spec saloons, nearly everything was allowed back then. Some years later they had active suspension as well, long banned in F1 by then

But nothing prevents people to upgrade their cars from manual tranny to a sequential box which is available from Hewland for example.

[tommy9927]

@tommy9927

But this car is definately manual transmission as can be seen here

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The car is an ex semi-works car, so it's still manual, only the Berlin2000 livery cars had sequential shifters in 1993 and I think not in every race as they were still struggling with it

But you can definately shift that quick

Look here YP3NtMovaAI at at 0:50 how quick you can go from 6th to 1st without skipping gears

[kraist14]

inline 4 engine with 4 valves on each cylinder making it 16v. wich gives the engine a nicer flow. shorter strokes and other modifications gives it a higher rpm limit. AND makes beautiful music for my ears:)

[tamarinazo]

ese sonido es gloria!!! jajajajaja

[eldoncino]

What the sound does remind me of is the old cosworth BDR/BDA engines that you found in the rally escorts. I suppose it has the same pedigree.

[HigherPlanes]

If you look under the hood of this car, you won't find the stock 2.5 16, I'm pretty certain of that.

It's definitely a V8.

[Svensson81]

This is getting tiring now...

Of course you won't find the stock engine under the hood. The 2.5L inline-4 has been heavily modified for racing and produces more than 375 bhp @9500rpm in DTM spec.

I don't get how people think this has a V8. It doesn't even sound like one. Look up other 190 EVO DTM vids and then look up Judd V8 vids. They sound completely different. So one more time: This is NOT a V8, it's an inline-4.

[HigherPlanes]

Ok I stand corrected. I've seen videos of 190E's with Judd V8 engine swaps, but after listening to those videos and this one side by side, there is a noticeable difference in sound.

[Svensson81]

Check out this vid on YouTube: UYtefgJgIJs (type it in the search bar).

Exactly the same car/driver and exactly the same typical 4 cylinder induction sound from those throttle bodies.

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@Svensson81 why the fuck are they racing a 4 door sedan? why not a 2 door 500 series? what is the advantage of the 4 door?

[WarheartHC]

@Svensson81

Infact man i have to confirm this is a V8

there is a Company called Judd that makes Hillclimb engines

they mounted that in to the car and raced it ( youtube for Reto Meisel and you see another JuddV8 190E )

sorry man

[Svensson81]

@WarheartHC

Don't feed the troll.

[WarheartHC]

@Svensson81

have another bite hahaha xD

im heaving no offence man !

[TheValKBawz]

@WarheartHC This is not Reto Meisel's Judd Mercedes. This one is a 1993 DTM car with the original DTM engine, which in fact is a high-rev 2.5 liter inline-4.

[Detoyato]

@WarheartHC Which sounds completely different to this one... A V8 with a flat crank is pretty close to the sound of an I-4 but theres a distinct difference... All V8's have this throaty bite to them and this one doesnt.

[danielazzoo]

Did this used to race in DTM???

[vonfred54]

im not sure about this exact 190 and driver but, yeah benz owned the shit outta DTM at one point

[danielazzoo]

the sound is one of the best for a I4 engine ever!!!!

[seangerritmoore]

I'm pretty sure this car is equipped with a Judd V8.

[tommy9927]

No it's the 2,5 litre inline 4.

Norbert Brenner just recently swapped to a Judd V8, but that's still the old car.

His second 190 Evo is still equipped with the inline 4 driven by Markus Wüstenfeld

[Svensson81]

Thanks for the info "tommy9927", hope this finally sets this straight now. One more time: this is NOT a V8, it's an inline-4.

[ZeronXL]

i'm an AUDI, VW and porshe fan and i have some respect to BMW but for me there's no any mercedes that wort materials for it

[chad174670]

what?

[Philx4xFar]

@ZeronXL - This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anybody that likes Audi's, VW's, Porsches and BMW's ought to notice that same teutonic quality in Benz's. How can German car fans be selective of their brands?

[ZeronXL]

the engine doesn't matter the mercedes was, is, and stay a piece of shit

[Svensson81]

Ok "ZeronXL" ha ha.

[Bretone75]

Go fcuk yourself. You've got no idea about real racecars. I'm an Alfa-freak, V6TI rules for myself, but 190 EVO and E30 M3 are really great cars. Whish I had one...Screaming 4-bangers which do YEARS after apperance on the market winning competitions on hllclimbing, so what you want? Sry for my english, I'm a Kraut. ;-)

[2jzgtejza80]

@Bretone75

Greatest thing from Alfa that i know is it more greatest 155 V6 with highest rev V6 I ever heard except Formula 1 machines. I read somewhere, it able reach 11,800 -12,500 rpm producing 500-550 bhp from 3 liter :D

[Bretone75]

@2jzgtejza80 Sorry, but you are writing bullshit. 2.5 liters, that was the standard of the DTM-cars in that years.

[Bretone75]

@2jzgtejza80 Sorry, but you are writing bullshit. 2.5 liters, that was the standard of the DTM-cars in that years.

[2jzgtejza80]

@Bretone75

WTF are u talking??? of course in 2004. 2.5 inline 4 was in 190E ???

[Bretone75]

@2jzgtejza80

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@Bretone75 why is a 4 banger better? weight? name one reason why a 4 banger should be used? Seriously, I'm not dissing 4 bangers.. but why? If you can get more power out of a v8 what is the point of a 4 banger? reliable? weight savings? wtf?

[2jzgtejza80]

@SeeProfileForDetails

4 bangers, cheaper to maintaining, makes huge power from small displacement, lighter, smaller dimensionally, simple to upgrade.

V8- more displacement, more power, more expensive,

Shifting system is sequential manual in stick

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@2jzgtejza80 why is v8 more expensive? a chevy v8 is cheaper to maintain than a 4 banger volkswagon or mercedes engine.

[2jzgtejza80]

@SeeProfileForDetails

There's no new V8 Chevy engine for road cars under 10,000 $ with all modern stuff, but all 4 cyls engines from VW or Mrecedes are much cheaper. My friend bought new Golf TSI. He told me that engine cost little more than 5000 $.

Older Chevy V8 engines are cheaper, but american engines are not suitable for any type of racing except NASCAR, and Top Fuel Drag Racing.

Low rev and high torque is bad for light cars.

In racing are more common small high rev V8 or any other type.

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@2jzgtejza80 are nascar's heavy? maybe they are for safety.

[2jzgtejza80]

@SeeProfileForDetails

Whole steel frame with cast iron engine, must be heavy, but isn't, you wouldn't believe, little more than ZR1, and ZR1 is full of plastic. Seamless tubes actually helps a lot to keep weight more down. Safety in NASCAR is far less than F1 these days. Also NASCAR engine lasts little longer than Formula 1 engines.

[Pali1984]

You're wrong.

[Bravo4294]

haha, wow you guys... my dad has a 190 E 2.6, it is an inline 4!!, but to also add, this is probably not the original chassis nor the engine knowing that its a TOURING RACECAR.

[ZeekyBoogyDoog]

your dad had the normal 190E, not the EVO II which is really rare

[SBT300]

The 2.6 is an inline 6.

[dittonprime]

Judd V8?

[Svensson81]

Nope. 2.5 16v inline-4.

[MonoRacer]

the sound doesn't fit the looks of the car but nice sound! :D

[DaKnecht]

This is Markus Wüstefield with a Mercedes 190 Judge V8

[Svensson81]

It's an inline-4. Not a V8.

[OldtimerMercedesBenz]

And that V8 you are talking about is Judd

[DaKnecht]

Yes, during the first stage of the Deutschland Rally 1992 i think

[tommy9927]

It's not a Judd, it's the original DTM race engine - a 2,5 litre inline 4!

That's why it has this glorious intake sound

The car has only recently been fitted with a Judd V8, but this video is from 2004 - so definately 2,5 inline 4

[foxy666bullet]

definately a judd

[tommy9927]

The video is from 2004 - Brenner switched to Judd V8 in 2006 or 2007

It's the original DTM engine which was a 2,5 inline 4

[foxy666bullet]

i might be worng then but it sounds so much like a judd and the original DTM engine doesnt sound like that to me, sorry if im wrong but im just saying

[OldtimerMercedesBenz]

You think a inline 4 cannot rev so fast? You are wrong. Its a Mercedes Benz! =D

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@tommy9927 what about the shifting though? it sounds like quick formula 1 style shifting.

[zeroxorxdie319]

deff a judd v8 mmmm

[351benz]

im not doubting the fact that they didnt research the damn things but, it just dosent make sense i have flowed a performance built custom intake manifold i also flowed a custom built ITB set up an the swirl in the air stopped so much quicker in the manifold were as the itb never really stopped...which means the power is never made in itb at a rpm were the motors are ran anyways so its point less, but you cant argue with uninformed ppl cuz they know everything...right?

[Pro60modman]

F1 cars use stand off injectors with ITB's btw. ITB's flow more equally due to its individual design and air distribution is paramount. The flow characteristics are different for ITB's because even the air is un-uniform it will still be taken in my only one cylinder versus un-uniform air in a plenum will cause a lean or rich condition in a cylinder.

Anyway I love the sound of judd V8's :D

[Shoulder7777]

Damn those are some close-ratio gears... looks like a blast to drive

[351benz]

itb's are good for low RPM use but higher RPM they shit on themselfs due to no plenum volume for the increased air needed at higher RPM's its all fine an dandy for street use but on a track is...kinda pointless, i would rather have a fast car then one that only sounds fast

[Svensson81]

Oh yeah, so that's why virtually all racing cars use individual throttle bodies...

[351benz]

bro look at a damn flow bench some time, do some figures and flow some manifold calculated out a ITB set up is good i will give you that, but the lack of plenum is useless without some sort of resistor for air...now if you havent flowed on a flow bench before then i suggest you do before telling me what racing cars use.

[ptdude805]

theres alot more to volumetric flow than intake plenums or itb's. i'd say the head design and cam profile plays a much larger role and i'm sure this car has more money into development of flow characteristics in the head than most people on youtube can spend on a car itself. and i dont know how you can say an itb can't get enough volume at higher rpms, as long as the engine is pulling vacuum the itb's are going to be the least restrictive thing you can do, and give optimum throttle response.

[351benz]

its not about being restrictive or else no one would have a air filter intake tubing or even a throttle body we would all be running i intelligent built motor such as diesel's do but dont get me started on that shit i dont want to clown on you too much

[ptdude805]

all that resistor for air your talking about does is slow the car down at higher rpm. i guess if you're going to build a race engine made to spin at 9000 rpm you wanna make peak torque at 3000 then right? to me that sounds like what your getting at. higher volume, not velocity benefits higher revving engines. more restriction, higher velocity of air benefits engines that require more low end torque.

[351benz]

but whos to say you cant have both? why cant you have huge runners and keep velocity up for lower rpms...F1 uses motors that sound like they idle around 9000 and i am damn sure they are a similar set up to Ferrari's twin intake plenum vs itb, but who cares bro either way...its not a sorry ass american car so im happy with the way that sounds

[ptdude805]

ok thats understandable. but don't get it twisted, i'm not a sorry ass american car either, i drive a corolla and love the 4ag for its response, so i guess i do have a little bias for topend hp and response over lowend torque haha.

[351benz]

ahh shit the 4age is a dope motor with a s/c, wht yr if its a rwd you gotta do a 20V swap fuckin sick!!!

[ptdude805]

its a 1986 sr5 that i put a 16v bluetop in. was thinking about a 20v, have plans for a 16v with some headwork instead though. 20v may be in the distant future haha

[351benz]

thats pretty sick bro, my boy sold his sr5 hatch for 250 dollars...what a idiot i know lol he drives a honda thats his biggest prob

[kaydawgg187]

boyracers these days spend their time buying large exhausts and big exhausts to try to make their car sound good. if they did the math a bit they would realise the secret to a great engine roar is in a set of individual throttle bodies, id put money on it that theres itb's on that, love it man, could u post some more?

[KreepinOutThaKut]

itb's , no doubt......that setup would cost about 6,000 USD, plus engine management, plus hours upon hours of tuning. sounds wicked though.

[Nelso90]

Same thing with my bike, Individual carbs. If the slides are closed you get no sound. Get above 6500 and lay on it, and every last bit of sound comes out of the intake. Sounds like a race motor.

[georgevts]

Awesome!! How close is that box! lol