@umax610p8 so you deliver pizzas????and you think that gives you enuff business sense to determine something a scam?????? its obviously you have not done any real research outside your "google" or whatever search engine you use.....stick to what your doin, maybe business is not just for you
The world ventures anti-pyramid scheme argument, "You think we're a scam? Well, look at your work, isn't it a scam?" and then they never review their own qualifications.
That is equivalent to saying, "You think our chairs are uncomfortable? Check out how uncomfortable the chairs are at the dmv!"
While in reality, this IS A SCAM (worse than any minimum wage job) and the chairs are more uncomfortable than those at the dmv.
Now my novice aunt who just discovered the net called & wants me to join in some mlm she joined! Tried to explain to them that it isn't that easy, but she just became angry with me.
Because I'm doing better financially than her and the rest of the family, they want me to join in many spots paying $250 for each spot.....etc. Thinking this way I can push them higher up in the ladder and they can reach their measly $20k prize or so...... grrrrrrrr.. another negative side of mlms: family issues
@jackyjackson have you actually read what I have written and understood it? Doesn't seem so.
It is the other way round. They are taking advantage of me and want me to "finance" many spots so that they reach some measly $20k prize. I don't need $20k. I make much more than that every month on autopilot, through a real business and I know very well that MLMs are not real businesses but a tool used to drag in newbies to market useless junk that wouldn't do well without the "opportunity" spice.
@jackyjackson this video is not "my video" as you have put it. Fail no.1. And I'm not the one taking advantage of my family. Fail no.2. You meant someone else.
If you don't know how to properly respond to the people you actually want to respond to on youtube, go learn and don't send messages to the wrong people, then act like a kid with all of these pathetic curses "moron" "eat dicks!" ...
looooooooooooool Seriously kid... how old are you?
Don't seem to understand more frivolous and fun insults like "eat dicks" over the internet. Obviously new to the internet, spends all his time on youtube.
fail no. 2
using extended lol and referring to me as a 'kid' is the best way to win any argument. You are either stupid or trolling. Nice try, buck-o.
@jackyjackson if you don't want people to call you a kid, then stop behaving like one. You are either a kid or an adult suffering from deslixia. "Eat dicks" and "moron" are far from being humorous comments to people you don't know.
@MrHardCash you speak in generalalities, some MLMs might sell useless stuff that people really dont need, but so say ALL, like your some business expert, is very foolish, as far as MLM not bein real business, i would say if the BBB, various business magazines, and even wall street, which committed millions to research these types of companies from every angle, and they deem them to be legit and real, then i would say they have alot more expertise on the subject..
Really sorry for posting "negativity" in your video.
Truth of the matter is, I've been into these things years ago... Joined many, failed a lot, did well sometimes... but when it all ticked , I discovered the best way is to actually LEARN how to do real business rather than joining an mlm after another. Did just that and thanks God, succeeded and so can anyone.
Also although it requires work, but this is not really a "Business". Besides, when you get the skills needed to make it work (really know how to market and get online and offline traffic to your website or store, plus apply good conversion amplifiers...etc.)... you will slowly quit this mlm thing on your own.
Because later on you will realise you are better off doing other serious affiliate marketing or selling your own products or services. MLMs are made for people who don't know better.
Also statistics don't lie. It is always 99% of those who join fail, while 1% make good money. Guess who make it? The people who joined first and of course the owners of the company.
Out of each 10 people you recruite, you'd be lucky if 1 of them took action and was active. Most people give up and it is not their fault... also partly the fault of the structure itself.
@MrHardCash it depends on what company, there are netwrok marketing companies who have people who are milionaires, people who are not the founder, and came along in the business years, even decades after it was first established..nearly half of people who enter college never graduate, for various reasons, but that does not stp people from wantin their kids ot go to college, its a numbers game, most people have to date alot of diff people before they find one worth their time
Mike... not all of them are pyramid schemes, but still.... they have bad reputation for a reason.
- Most of these companies sell the "dream". The opportunity.. rather than focusing on selling the product. Most of their products are simply useless junk that they threw in to legalize their companies.
- These companies target a specific type of people. The non educated or the non experienced in business. They make it sound easy but in truth, it is very hard to most if you aren't experienced.
To clarify, when you are working an organisation, you get a salary and that is. So you work very hard, but you wont get pay more money so you work for hours. When you work in MLM, you can decide how many hours you want to work and you work together with your team so you can make more money in MLM than in a job and in addiction you don't have a boss. You can create a big organisation. MLM are not scams, scams are people who take advange and steal people's money without giving a product or service
I'd like to point out a falacy in this video's analogy between drawing pyramidical diagrams for MLMs and non-MLM companies. The difference is when you draw it for a MLM, the relationship between connected nodes is one of remuneration - one node's income is a function of the other (therein lies the evil). When you draw the pyramidical diagram for non-MLM companies, the relationship between nodes is one of hierarchy, position, or job title, so no relationship of remuneration between nodes exists.
I'd like to point out a falacy in the previous post. This is a fake login that has broken YT policy and is not the real jgilles85. If you click on this account you will see that it has no channel. Why? Hidden so the creation date will not be noticed. Now if you click on my name you will see a channel. I'm the real jgilles85 and this is an imposter!!!!
@jgiIles85 This may be true. But usually the hierarchy, position, and job titles come with higher pay. So in both examples, for MLM's and non-MLM's, the people at the top make the most! The CEO of a traditional company makes a ton more then everyone below them.
@CoachJefClements There is no doubt that there is a relationship between positional hierarchy and remuneration. However, this higher compensation is awarded to higher positions due to increased responsibility and/or risk. In the case of MLMs, a participant's income is a function of that of his downlines, so instead of income being a function of added responsibility/risk, it becomes a function of positional leverage.
@jgiIles85 You are correct. CEO's certainly have much more responsibility and make much bigger choices. But the idea behind an MLM is to give anyone the opportunity to be the one at the top of an organization and leverage is what they are all about. You work hard to build your downline so that you can have continuous income for the life of the MLM, instead of putting all your efforts into a 9-5 that pays everyone above you in that company.
@CoachJefClements That's true, leverage is what MLMs are all about, but few understand that it's exactly this positional leverage that works against you as a newcomer. This leverage causes a shift in wealth and/or circumstance from poor to rich, bottom to top. It is only overcome by recruiting people under you, but since the number of people above you stays the same, it can be very difficult to overcome this leverage. The best indicator of leverage is the failure rate (99%). Cont'd
@CoachJefClements This suggests that in order to make one person successful, 99 others fail. (in fact, this ratio drops once time horizons beyond one year of participation are considered. Over a 5 year time horizon, many MLMs exhibit 99.9% failure rate = 1 success to 999 failures).
This type of leverage simply does not exist with a standard industry job. What's more is that traditional companies select their employees through an interview process. MLMs, however, hire anybody, ad infinitum.
@jgiIles85 I agree that many MLM's work this way. My main company does MLM in a very respectable fashion. I gain no advantage by just bringing someone in. I don't get a bonus or anything like that for just recruiting someone. They only way I make money is when that person starts moving product. They make retail commissions and I get points towards checks. So my people have to make money too or I don't either.
I like this form of business because it's much easier to get into. But it also very easy to back out of. My business costs people roughly $95 a month to be a part of. A traditional business would cost grossly more! But I feel that for this reason, meaning MLMs being easy to get started with and easy to quit, is a big factor in why the failure rate is so high. But I've met so many great people doing my business and again I DO ACTUALLY LOVE the product I'm selling! Makes all the difference :)
MLM’s nearly always lead to certain loss for new recruits. The founders and a few are at the top of their pyramids of participants are enriched at the expense of a multitude of downline participants, approximately 99% of whom lose money. The sale of products is distributor-driven, not market driven. Most products are sold to new participants to get in on this “ground floor opportunity.” Very few products are sold outside the "business". One more reason MLM is a Pyramid Scheme.
@MLMpyramidScam your opinions are based in no real facts, assuming the only customers of any MLM are its recuits..the CEO of a company is enriched in the efforts of the employee, the employee works their buttt off to make the company prosper, but only the CEO makes any real money, if the business doubles in profit, the employee does not recieve double the salalry, but the CEO wil see a pay increase..evidence of this is the 300-1 ceo to employee ratio in pay
Research, w/ worldwide feedback, says that the more a person invests in an MLM the more they lose – which is true of any scam. Committed MLM participants may invest thousands, and even tens of thousands of dollars, over years before running out of cash or giving up. In legitimate companies, sales reps are not asked to buy inventory or monthly purchases. But in MLM, incentivized purchases are merely disguised or laundered investments in a product-based pyramid scheme.
LOL... Though I think it's better to control them with money! xD I can do it now that I'm earning $55 a day with the method I found for free at ez-casino(dot)com... keep it secret! ;)
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Sorry for the parenthesis around the com, some reason Youtube will not let you give an actual address in a comment. Real weird. Have a Blessed day!
@umax610p8 so you deliver pizzas????and you think that gives you enuff business sense to determine something a scam?????? its obviously you have not done any real research outside your "google" or whatever search engine you use.....stick to what your doin, maybe business is not just for you
carsonc29 2 months ago
The world ventures anti-pyramid scheme argument, "You think we're a scam? Well, look at your work, isn't it a scam?" and then they never review their own qualifications.
That is equivalent to saying, "You think our chairs are uncomfortable? Check out how uncomfortable the chairs are at the dmv!"
While in reality, this IS A SCAM (worse than any minimum wage job) and the chairs are more uncomfortable than those at the dmv.
jackyjackson 3 months ago
Now my novice aunt who just discovered the net called & wants me to join in some mlm she joined! Tried to explain to them that it isn't that easy, but she just became angry with me.
Because I'm doing better financially than her and the rest of the family, they want me to join in many spots paying $250 for each spot.....etc. Thinking this way I can push them higher up in the ladder and they can reach their measly $20k prize or so...... grrrrrrrr.. another negative side of mlms: family issues
MrHardCash 5 months ago in playlist Business
@MrHardCash
you idiot, you're taking advantage of your family at a chance to make money
jackyjackson 3 months ago
@jackyjackson have you actually read what I have written and understood it? Doesn't seem so.
It is the other way round. They are taking advantage of me and want me to "finance" many spots so that they reach some measly $20k prize. I don't need $20k. I make much more than that every month on autopilot, through a real business and I know very well that MLMs are not real businesses but a tool used to drag in newbies to market useless junk that wouldn't do well without the "opportunity" spice.
MrHardCash 3 months ago
@MrHardCash
That wasn't stated towards you, I was sharing a relevant observation which your video reminded me of.
eat dicks
jackyjackson 3 months ago
@jackyjackson my video?! which video? as far as I recall, I have no video related to this topic.
and am I speaking to a kid? "eat dicks".... looooool ok whatever suits you.
MrHardCash 3 months ago
@MrHardCash
this video, you moron.
and what you're talking about in it is directly related to what I had stated. It's like you can't even form thoughts.
jackyjackson 3 months ago
@jackyjackson this video is not "my video" as you have put it. Fail no.1. And I'm not the one taking advantage of my family. Fail no.2. You meant someone else.
If you don't know how to properly respond to the people you actually want to respond to on youtube, go learn and don't send messages to the wrong people, then act like a kid with all of these pathetic curses "moron" "eat dicks!" ...
looooooooooooool Seriously kid... how old are you?
MrHardCash 3 months ago
@MrHardCash
Fail no. 1
Don't seem to understand more frivolous and fun insults like "eat dicks" over the internet. Obviously new to the internet, spends all his time on youtube.
fail no. 2
using extended lol and referring to me as a 'kid' is the best way to win any argument. You are either stupid or trolling. Nice try, buck-o.
jackyjackson 3 months ago
@jackyjackson if you don't want people to call you a kid, then stop behaving like one. You are either a kid or an adult suffering from deslixia. "Eat dicks" and "moron" are far from being humorous comments to people you don't know.
Now piss off and stop wasting my time.
MrHardCash 3 months ago
@MrHardCash
who said they humorous? I said fun yah fuckwit.
You piss off and stop wasting my time, you're the one who keeps replying.
lol didn't know people and be so dumb!
jackyjackson 3 months ago
@MrHardCash you speak in generalalities, some MLMs might sell useless stuff that people really dont need, but so say ALL, like your some business expert, is very foolish, as far as MLM not bein real business, i would say if the BBB, various business magazines, and even wall street, which committed millions to research these types of companies from every angle, and they deem them to be legit and real, then i would say they have alot more expertise on the subject..
carsonc29 2 months ago
Really sorry for posting "negativity" in your video.
Truth of the matter is, I've been into these things years ago... Joined many, failed a lot, did well sometimes... but when it all ticked , I discovered the best way is to actually LEARN how to do real business rather than joining an mlm after another. Did just that and thanks God, succeeded and so can anyone.
MrHardCash 5 months ago in playlist Business
Also although it requires work, but this is not really a "Business". Besides, when you get the skills needed to make it work (really know how to market and get online and offline traffic to your website or store, plus apply good conversion amplifiers...etc.)... you will slowly quit this mlm thing on your own.
Because later on you will realise you are better off doing other serious affiliate marketing or selling your own products or services. MLMs are made for people who don't know better.
MrHardCash 5 months ago in playlist Business
Also statistics don't lie. It is always 99% of those who join fail, while 1% make good money. Guess who make it? The people who joined first and of course the owners of the company.
Out of each 10 people you recruite, you'd be lucky if 1 of them took action and was active. Most people give up and it is not their fault... also partly the fault of the structure itself.
MrHardCash 5 months ago in playlist Business
@MrHardCash it depends on what company, there are netwrok marketing companies who have people who are milionaires, people who are not the founder, and came along in the business years, even decades after it was first established..nearly half of people who enter college never graduate, for various reasons, but that does not stp people from wantin their kids ot go to college, its a numbers game, most people have to date alot of diff people before they find one worth their time
carsonc29 2 months ago
Mike... not all of them are pyramid schemes, but still.... they have bad reputation for a reason.
- Most of these companies sell the "dream". The opportunity.. rather than focusing on selling the product. Most of their products are simply useless junk that they threw in to legalize their companies.
- These companies target a specific type of people. The non educated or the non experienced in business. They make it sound easy but in truth, it is very hard to most if you aren't experienced.
MrHardCash 5 months ago in playlist Business
The structure isn't for everyone but the trick is finding a good respectable MLM that you enjoy doing.
CoachJefClements 6 months ago
So are corporations! LOL
Nothing is "get rich quick" but this can certainly make you a lot of money NoMoreCellBill (dot) com
CMDCllc 6 months ago
To clarify, when you are working an organisation, you get a salary and that is. So you work very hard, but you wont get pay more money so you work for hours. When you work in MLM, you can decide how many hours you want to work and you work together with your team so you can make more money in MLM than in a job and in addiction you don't have a boss. You can create a big organisation. MLM are not scams, scams are people who take advange and steal people's money without giving a product or service
debernardi008 8 months ago
yup! all the organization in the world is PIRAMID SCHEME!
lowtc87 1 year ago
I'd like to point out a falacy in this video's analogy between drawing pyramidical diagrams for MLMs and non-MLM companies. The difference is when you draw it for a MLM, the relationship between connected nodes is one of remuneration - one node's income is a function of the other (therein lies the evil). When you draw the pyramidical diagram for non-MLM companies, the relationship between nodes is one of hierarchy, position, or job title, so no relationship of remuneration between nodes exists.
jgiIles85 1 year ago
I'd like to point out a falacy in the previous post. This is a fake login that has broken YT policy and is not the real jgilles85. If you click on this account you will see that it has no channel. Why? Hidden so the creation date will not be noticed. Now if you click on my name you will see a channel. I'm the real jgilles85 and this is an imposter!!!!
jgilles85 1 year ago
@jgiIles85 This may be true. But usually the hierarchy, position, and job titles come with higher pay. So in both examples, for MLM's and non-MLM's, the people at the top make the most! The CEO of a traditional company makes a ton more then everyone below them.
CoachJefClements 10 months ago
@CoachJefClements There is no doubt that there is a relationship between positional hierarchy and remuneration. However, this higher compensation is awarded to higher positions due to increased responsibility and/or risk. In the case of MLMs, a participant's income is a function of that of his downlines, so instead of income being a function of added responsibility/risk, it becomes a function of positional leverage.
jgiIles85 6 months ago
@jgiIles85 You are correct. CEO's certainly have much more responsibility and make much bigger choices. But the idea behind an MLM is to give anyone the opportunity to be the one at the top of an organization and leverage is what they are all about. You work hard to build your downline so that you can have continuous income for the life of the MLM, instead of putting all your efforts into a 9-5 that pays everyone above you in that company.
CoachJefClements 6 months ago
@CoachJefClements That's true, leverage is what MLMs are all about, but few understand that it's exactly this positional leverage that works against you as a newcomer. This leverage causes a shift in wealth and/or circumstance from poor to rich, bottom to top. It is only overcome by recruiting people under you, but since the number of people above you stays the same, it can be very difficult to overcome this leverage. The best indicator of leverage is the failure rate (99%). Cont'd
jgiIles85 6 months ago
@CoachJefClements This suggests that in order to make one person successful, 99 others fail. (in fact, this ratio drops once time horizons beyond one year of participation are considered. Over a 5 year time horizon, many MLMs exhibit 99.9% failure rate = 1 success to 999 failures).
This type of leverage simply does not exist with a standard industry job. What's more is that traditional companies select their employees through an interview process. MLMs, however, hire anybody, ad infinitum.
jgiIles85 6 months ago
@jgiIles85 I agree that many MLM's work this way. My main company does MLM in a very respectable fashion. I gain no advantage by just bringing someone in. I don't get a bonus or anything like that for just recruiting someone. They only way I make money is when that person starts moving product. They make retail commissions and I get points towards checks. So my people have to make money too or I don't either.
CoachJefClements 6 months ago
I like this form of business because it's much easier to get into. But it also very easy to back out of. My business costs people roughly $95 a month to be a part of. A traditional business would cost grossly more! But I feel that for this reason, meaning MLMs being easy to get started with and easy to quit, is a big factor in why the failure rate is so high. But I've met so many great people doing my business and again I DO ACTUALLY LOVE the product I'm selling! Makes all the difference :)
CoachJefClements 6 months ago
MLM’s nearly always lead to certain loss for new recruits. The founders and a few are at the top of their pyramids of participants are enriched at the expense of a multitude of downline participants, approximately 99% of whom lose money. The sale of products is distributor-driven, not market driven. Most products are sold to new participants to get in on this “ground floor opportunity.” Very few products are sold outside the "business". One more reason MLM is a Pyramid Scheme.
MLMpyramidScam 1 year ago
@MLMpyramidScam your opinions are based in no real facts, assuming the only customers of any MLM are its recuits..the CEO of a company is enriched in the efforts of the employee, the employee works their buttt off to make the company prosper, but only the CEO makes any real money, if the business doubles in profit, the employee does not recieve double the salalry, but the CEO wil see a pay increase..evidence of this is the 300-1 ceo to employee ratio in pay
carsonc29 2 months ago
Research, w/ worldwide feedback, says that the more a person invests in an MLM the more they lose – which is true of any scam. Committed MLM participants may invest thousands, and even tens of thousands of dollars, over years before running out of cash or giving up. In legitimate companies, sales reps are not asked to buy inventory or monthly purchases. But in MLM, incentivized purchases are merely disguised or laundered investments in a product-based pyramid scheme.
MLMpyramidScam 1 year ago
LOL... Though I think it's better to control them with money! xD I can do it now that I'm earning $55 a day with the method I found for free at ez-casino(dot)com... keep it secret! ;)
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Awesome Video. Youtube can be a great asset for you. If you need any help getting your video exposed check out this site called sl8t.(com) It has really done wonders for me, I have built 3 channels up with videos at top in position, this is my forth channel I'm going to working on now.
Sorry for the parenthesis around the com, some reason Youtube will not let you give an actual address in a comment. Real weird. Have a Blessed day!
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