People need to remember that Slavery was under the US Flag and that it was the north that was shipping in slaves. Also people don't seem to have a problem with celebrating thanksgiving..which from the Native American's is a day to mourn.
Politics aside, both of these guys dont seem to fully grasp the problem.
And Cenk and his TYT need to QUIT hijacking videos on YouTube. I hate it when I click on a video and BAM...the young turks are there, dithering on and on
Confederate History........ you mean splitting the Union and starting a war the killed piles of Americans on both sides...... all in the defence of slavery? Yeah, lets celebrate that.
Fuck the Rebels. I like to start bonfires with the "Stars and Bars", I find it works well and looks great on fire.
I think that its good that republicans exposed themselves by proposing confederate history month. That has forever removed their right away to call themselves the civil rights party.
by that logic Columbus Day and Independance day remove American's right to call itself pro civil rights. The Confedaracy was many things, some good and some bad. One of the bad things was that it allowed slavery, yet it wasn't many years before that the northern states allowed slavery, and they were still involved in eradication of native americans. In short, no nation is bloodless. The confederacy is nothing special where evils are concerned.
Am I the only one thinking Cenk is going to be bought up & sucked up into the system he was fighting against in the first place? Perfect exemple of how corporate media silence REALLY DANGEROUS ideas(for the corrupt elite), by giving way to more acceptable ones(liberal, but not dangerous for them)
@redskins1111 Fuck your redneck ancestors fucking hypocrites only we should keep open mind while you guys are all out racist and hating on pretty much the rest of the world making comments that make the U.S. look bad? Read some Mark Twain books. Might learn something about yourself.
yeah the civil war was about slavery the north wanted to tax slavery and retain their slaves and force the south to give up theirs and let their carpet bagging buddies wrangle up the reaping of war, fuckin north just introduced the bolshevik BIG CO. interest in slavery and land, Fucking Drive By Media the masters of anti information
I don'tget it when pro-isreal people claim the solution is not "giving up land". Wtf? The west bank and gazastrip is Plaetsinian land, reconised internationaly as the palestinian territories. The problem is Israel OCUUPIES that land, both millitarly and settlements (colonies). Its not giving up land if that wasn teven yours. Every us president has been against the settlements,thay are illegal by internaitional law. Pretty much, Israel steals land and when asked to give it back, its giving up
@TheArabChristian So what should it do about rockets launched into its territory? Israel is fine with ceding Gaza and the West Bank if it would guarantee security IMHO. However, everytime they give over they don't get anything back in return. It must be quid-pro-quo. It's like Reagan and the spending cuts, he agreed to raise taxes with Congress but they didn't live up to their end of the bargain to cut twice in spending.
Virginia and the South deserves that month. After 5 years of constant fighting, and some of the bloodiest battles of the war, VA deserves it (if not all of the states). Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, First/Second Bull Run, Overland Campaign, Petersburg, Appomattox Campaign, and many other fights. All of those cost thousands of lives in VA alone, even if they had a cause that many frown upon today, then we should have the human decency to honor their courage and will to defend their homes.
Guys The Civil War was all about state's rights,slavery and social and enconmics issues. I mean look at the Dred Scott case,Compromises and Bleeding Kansas. The one who started it are the South(Confederate). The South withdraw from the Union(North) when Lincoln was elected as president who opposed slavery and The North has more representatives because it has factories that needed no slaves and immigrants are going there because of it. i learning this at my school right now.
@Saffroncreature Actually not all of the states succeeded because of the election. Virginia for example mainly succeeded because of Lincoln's call for volunteers suppress the other states, they believed that it was legal for the states to succeed if they don't feel like they should stay and Lincoln should honor that. While the states that succeeded with VA I don't believe had the same reason, but like the rest, they had many reasons. Also go beyond the school's basic knowledge for debate.
@rohirrim90 I know i say the south seceded because they're afraid of more power in the north due to more representatives and they wanted to protect their "way of life"hence slavery. Also the secession was illegal because it was against the Constitution which was that we must untie together by our founding fathers. It will set bad example if other states think about it.
A turk dirtbag who denies the armenian genocide and the genocidal islamic slave trade and slavery in the otoman empire(including castration of mostly white christian slaves) is referring to founding stock americans as ``rednecks``. Has everyone seen what a scuzy, backworth shithole turkey is outside of instanbul and antalya?
@NOSFERATU904 Cenk takes his shots at muslim countries when it is necessary....Hell, he is a huge critic of Saudi Arabia....dude, he doesn't deny the atrocities committed by people of the religion he was born into (he himself is agnostic)
Cenk should want to appear like he half ways has some brains and just kept his dumb mouth shut. What a freaking idiot!!! Yes they should mention slavery. Is that all the civil war was about? Hell no! It was mainly about the constant screwing of the south by the damn yankees and their unfair taxation, and damn states rights! Just ask Arizona right now. The Afro American race has their Black History Month, Their NAACP, and keep EXPECTING whites to lay down and watch. F%#K THAT!
What other factors contributed to secession...? It was virtually just slavery. In fact, every state that issued a Declaration of Secession explicitly stated that their secession was purely due to issues with "african slavery" / "african servitude."
@nncup12fan, I am not a real big history buff, but I can read and understand english...that'a all that is needed. The Confederate states made it very simple for the simple folk of America to comprehend - it was over slavery. Read their declarations of secession, bubba; they stated clearly and repeatedly that it was all over issues with slavery.
It's a shame when in the United States of America a Southern state cannot celebrate Confederate History Month. It is Virginia, they fought the US, they have every right to celebrate it! It's their own damn history!
yeah, let's "remember and honor" racist confederate traitors. hey, while we're at it, lets have "nazi" month in virginia too. no mention of the holocaust of course.
does matt lewis and conservatives interrupt on every talk show?
@theskiesbelowme ~ uh well let's see, confederates are white racist supremacists, and nazis are white racist supremacists. gee, looks like you're unequivocally wrong.
@tomitstube Your logic is a complete failure. By the 1940's the attitudes of the South were more or less similar when it came to race as in the Civil War. The bulk of the US military was made of Southerners; so much so that the Confederate flag was flown on some ships and even raised over Shuri Castle once the US took it from Japan.
I highly doubt that American Southerners in World War II (many many of whom were white supremacists) were equal to Nazis, which is obviously who they were fighting.
@theskiesbelowme ~ you raise an interesting point. racist americans killed racist germans during world war two, and vice versa. of course the american civil war was the ultimate act in racist absurdity. europe had already ended slavery, but in america, racist northerners started killing racists southerners, and vice versa.
600,000 whites died over the "right" of a few to own minorities "rights"... would you go to war to defend someone getting filthy rich off human suffering?
@theskiesbelowme Nazis are bad. Confederates are bad, even though not as bad as Nazis. Either way, there shouldn't be a month for them. I think most would agree the defining feature, the thing that comes to mind when you mention confederates were a people who wanted slavery.
@theskiesbelowme You are a damn idiot too. Before the civilk war, and the damn yankees were relying on their newly found industries to profit and survive, Eli Whitney had made the cotton gin so the south could survive on their agriculture and trade with Britain. Is why the south became over taxated to pay for the norths advancement! Guess what, its STILL that way. Anyways, in the souths trading it was ALWAYS a Union Flag on our ship, NEVER a confederate one. So shut your shithole
@theskiesbelowme Ouch, OMG, I apologize for that. I was reading a response to yours. That should have not been an @ thrown your way. Was just stating some facts for this 1stltdan and newgarda since they really dont know half as much as they think or they may be dangerous. My fault. Remove if youd like. These young Turds are idiots too.
If he means that they staged a violent coup, then he's wrong; if he means they won a fairly run democratic election, then he's right.
I appreciate some Americans have a problem with popularly elected governments but how about learning from history and dealing with these governments instead of trying to illegally undermine them?
Every discussion about the mid-east conflict in America is so superficial, and so disconnected from reality...
Israel is prepared to withdraw from the occupied territories. The dispute isn't about that. The dispute is about the fact that the Palestinians demand that Israel takes millions of Palestinian refugees, effectively turning Israel into a Palestinian state.
That's the bone of contention. When are you going to realize it?
The rednecks are like children who never learned humor. They are mostly boring and dumb. Maybe they just need a little more Depleted Uranium in their environment. I hear they enjoy laughing at suffering and deformed people. Perhaps we could erect a national redneck park, complete with deformed babies. There could even be a section where if they sign a release clause, we'll even let them perform random acts of stupidity; sending themselves to the hospital at the audience amusement.
@flury51 perception is reality. When I watch Cenk is see a buffoon and when starts yelling manically it shows he knows he got one uped. I am glad MSNBC fired him
"Eventually" perhaps, but I was under the impression that trading with nations that practiced slavery wasn't exactly something that "civilized nations" refused to do, in the 19th century or even today... I know I'm making a generalization there, but that's in response to the notion that the CSA couldn't have hoped to survive the civil war with the institution of slavery intact. Slavery was a big part of the Civil War, and it began long before the Emancipation Proclamation.
@MaximumStackz I hate the smirk on Cenk's face as though no other viewpoint can have credence but his own. I love how Cenk mentions nothing of th failed diplomacy with Israeli PM's visit to WH, or to his lackluster response on the settlement issue. Why should Israel give up anything to a group of people firing rockets into them? If Palestine could control it's population, we would have no problem there.
The "latness" in abolishing slavery really has no part in the argument. The South would have prolonged slavery as long as they could, because again, the wealth of the elite was primarily based upon it. They didn't want to give up this resource that was so tied to their economic prosperity. the civil war was waged over states rights, the primary right being to own slaves.
I'm really not sure what the fact that many of the Founding Fathers were slave owners or that slavery "helped" build the country in the first place somehow makes fighting against slavery generations later invalid. the fact is that many were coming to realize the inhumanity of the institution. Sure, it may have helped that other nations were beginning to outlaw slavery, and that the economy of the nation was becoming less dependent upon this institution.
I think the best way to honor our ancestors is to talk openly and honestly about history, including the parts that make us uncomfortable. We should talk about what actually happened. Censoring history to make ourselves feel better is not the right way. What, is the purpose of history to inflate OUR egos and OUR pride? It's not about winning some argument now, it's about treating the past with respect, which means not ignoring the parts we don't like. It's painful, but the only honest thing to do
wow the other dude talking about going against america is a little unpatriotic. and matts white as hell wtf is he like 1/1000000000 black? and confederate month does make some since because they were americans and they were fighting for what they thought they had a right to do. even though i dont think it was right, and its just amazing how cival right leaders jump on anything they think is racist when is has little or no effect on the race as a whole.
@XSC3 The civil war was never about slavery. Slavery was thrown in later by Lincoln to encourage black conscripts for the North so that they could be used as cannon fodder against the South in order to preserve white union soldiers. Originaly the civil war was about the South gaining freedom and independence from the USA and to become their own nation, the CSA. It sickens me that many Americans do not know anything about their own history apart from the censored crap that's handed to them.
@grobo11 But WHY did the Southern states want independence from the North? Because the southern "aristocracy's" wealth was based primarily on slave labor. So all those poor southern boy who bled and died for the confederacy (even fighting their own kin) were inadvertently being used by these wealthy land owners and cotton kings to support their lifestyle.
@grobo11 ... I know, fighting for land and capitalism are American ideals, but let's be real here... saying it had nothing to do with slavery is incredibly naive. Incidentally the CSA actually employed black soldiers before the North. If anything, the romantic idea that everything was fine in the land of cotton until the North began their terrible aggression, is the "censored crap." Look, I understand that both sides were racist and exploitive, but the CSA would not have formed without slavery
Of course the war was about slavery. The South said so when they started it, in their Cornerstone Speech and Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, and South Carolina declarations of secession that you've obviously NEVER EVEN READ. It sickens me when uneducated assholes from Britain try to lecture the world about American history when they know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about their own British history, much less American. Now go back to claiming Britain passed the 1833 Slave Abolition Act in the 1700s!!! LOL!!!
@grobo11 practically speaking the main question of the Civil War was over states rights... and the primary right in question was over WHETHER TO KEEP SLAVERY LEGAL.
@XSC3 Possibly, but to imagine that if the CSA had won their independence that they would have continued with slavery is popostorous. Slavery would of had to of ended other wise no 'civilised' nation would trade with the CSA and may of driven it into economic disaster. They may have been un-willing to do it but it would of have to have been done. In honesty the USA was pretty late in the abolishment of slavery anyway, one of the last to do it.
@grobo11 that was in fact their plan. Apart from re-affirming the ban on the slave TRADE, the constutition of the CSA would have protected the rights of slave owners. The wealth of the south was still based primarily on work done mostly by slave labor. Sure, eventually you could say the dependance on slavery could have been reduced, but that's like saying there's no need for slaves today. Of course there is. most have just understood that it's not worth the human degradation.
OH thats an insult that jackass Cenk Uqyur hit below the belt; its ridiculous hes dishonored my ancestors, he needs to shut his mouth up he ancestors werent even here during the war
I understand a lot of Southerners don't want to face up to this, because to them it's saying "your ancestors died for nothing" or worse, "they died for evil." The average man who fought for the Confederacy was not a slave owner. The wealthy elite of the South who got most of their capital thanks to slavery lost everything after the war.
Right wing Zionism is only in power coz they bend and use the Orthodox Haredi sect (which holds balance of power in a secular country 0.o) to stay in Gov. They keep shoving the Haredi people, who are vastly breeding & never work or do national service (which is a good thing lol) into the new settlements. The right wing Zionist Gov are putting Israeli's lives at risk by their stupid fairytale tradition!
Of course they need to give some land back & share Jerusalem - der! & the Iran incentive is a no brainer, they both want to wipe each other off the map, the only thing we need to concentrate on are the children, we need to save the children who are not yet into this cultural hatefest which is all over the "pride over nationalism" - Right wing are facists!
Matt Lewis is a real douche ignoring key facts he is surely aware of to score political points while real people suffer in the middle east for his bonehead thinking. Anything Obama has done to get a little support or respect in the world was imediately seized upon by the right wing in the U.S. to criticize him and make him the anti-christ.
Cenek is exactly right. Israel TOOK land.. and so they dont want to give it back now. And the conservatives in Israel are just as bad as the conservatives in the USA.
quote: if i where a nation out there what i would probably do is be a enemy of america! because thats how you get land its when youre a ally of america you get nothing. unquote. wtf he's talking treason
The North exploited the factory workers and had a more hidden but still strong racism. Why should people have died for something as emphemeral as maintaining a nation? But slaverly was not a humane institution in this country. I'm sure some masters were gentler than others. That's not the point. Those men died for a lot of different reasons. If I were living back then, could I blame somebody who was drafted or who fought because they saw a threat to their homes and family? It's complex.
People are interested in the Civil War for a lot of different reasons, but it's these folks who just want to fly the "rebel flag," whistle Dixie, and yell about "southern pride" and think it was all just a big picnic that was pissed on by the snooty northerners (and imagine some kind of southern paradise out of a cheesy melodrama before the war) are as guilty of distorting history as the people you're objecting to. So study the real history, do it right. Don't say slavery wasn't relevant
@XSC3 True. But the union soldiers didn't fight against slavery and neither did they figh for good. They fought for nationalism and to mend the great schism within their country, nothing but patriotic dribble. Furthermore, after the US revolution one of your main industry was slave trade was it not? This is the mortar and foundation which built your countries wealth and prosperity, I see no difference between the colonial days Americans (British) and the latter.
@grobo11 actually there were a good number of Northerners that actively fought to end slavery. Sure, not EVERY SINGLE UNION SOLDIER, but you'd be completely out to lunch to believe they all fought for "nationalism" and "healing the union" as well. I'm sure there were a great number of soldiers on both sides (perhaps the majority), who fought because they felt they "had to" (drafted, pressured by family, economy, thought their home was threatened, etc) just like in EVERY war.
But it's true that some fought to end slavery and others fought to preserve it, even if most soldiers probably did so for other reasons...
Slavery continues in our world all over the globe, but it does so mostly in a clandestine manner or in regimes where there are no explicit protections in the law against such things. sadly the West still profits from interactions with these nation states, and so the struggle for freedom continues.
I think it is funny that people are still trying to hold back a train that has already left the station. Every one has to live in this country with civility and peace. Yet, you have a sect that just cant stand that. God is a God of righteouness and whatever was not right and is not right will be made right.
Fucking liberals will joke about states rights until they're blue in the face. But they'll be damned if we insult womens rights to kill their children, faggots rights to act like... faggots, niggers rights to be above the law and the list goes on.
So we can have nigger history month, spic history month, fag pride parades, violent feminist rallies and so on... But us confederates can't celebrate our history? FUCK OFF SAND NIGGR!!
@FollowMyDamnedLaws Everything that you have fought NIGGER'S over as been over come. Folks do what they want now wher they want. You got to many folks to fight now, including your own. History as proven that you will NEVER stop the progress of change.
What the fuck are you smoking? Look at public schools and places like Detroit and Baltimore. Prime examples of how niggers are still ruining our country. Saying otherwise will further discredit your statement.
Giving up land doesn't work. Keep the territory and keep building settlements until Palestinians figure out they can't win, and fall in line. Then you have peace. Every time Israel makes a concession to Palestine they get increased violence, it encourages and strengthens the terrorists. The failure of liberals to realize something so obvious is because they refuse to see radical Islam for what it is. Because in their mind it's racist to call a terrorists a terrorist.
Shut the fuck up, we all know that nigger slaves are useless, thats why when we freed them, they ran around like useless apes and look at them now, welfare sucking, project dwelling, jail fillers.
@FollowMyDamnedLaws Do you really think people care if you use the name NIGGER? By the way there are just as many white folks sitting in the welfare office as it is as many black folks that get up and work every day and live well. Most of u using the name NIGGER will never call them one to their face.
@FollowMyDamnedLaws You sound ignorant. The same NIGGERS u talking about live better than you could ever think about living. There are just as many WHITE folks in jail, on welfare, project dwelling. If there is a gap, if you had a 400 yr head start u should have an edge. However, the gap is closing cause the world is changing.
Right... Americans need to have a sanitized version of "Confederate History Month" in order to remember the Civil War and the South because Americans are in danger of losing that glorious memory... I DON'T THINK SO.
I think most people who have grown up in the South during the last century will probably tell us that until the late 1970s or even later, every month was "Confederate History Month" according to the Southern cultural and political establishment.
"it's when you're an ally of the United States that you get nothing" at 7:46 look at Cenk's face lol, priceless. does Lewis know how much frickin military aid we give to israel every year? It's become a one-way alliance. Israel has done nothing for us lately, and perpetuating this war is only going to get more of our troops killed and Iraq and Afghanistan as long as this the Israel-Palestine issues is used as a recruiting tool.
according to them, its alright to have a national black history month, which surronds a very diverse cultural group and its accomplishments... but they say that if there is a confederate history month, that they must make all these people regret ancestors and their practices?
ok, this is like me bitching at the germans over their ancestors torturing my polish ancestors.
if you are german, do you regret killing my family?
@reallyidontknow You would be bitching if they CELEBRATED killing your ancestors. I have yet to hear anything about national Nazi month being celebrated. There is nothing to be prideful about. Instead of saying, hey you know we got that one wrong, and we are sorry, they defend it like tomcaatt below, for over 150 years these same people haven't gotten the message. They were wrong.
my point im trying to make is that culture groups should all be allowed to have a time of national/cultural pride if they wanted it, regardless of the actions of their ancestors.
of course, if celebrating meant the promotion of slavery or my earlier case of a hypothetical case of nazi promotion-- then you get into a big freedom of speech problem, which is a hard decision these days.
@reallyidontknow I have no problem with individual groups marching in support of whatever they want to support, and they do march for the south, all the time, re-enactments, museums, but this was a state mandated declaration, it isn't the first time this has happened, it was done to polarize people, and to stir a disgruntled white populace who are feeling marginalized, by a governor who is quickly becoming known for stirring that pot.
@Tomcaatt So they owned slaves Tomcaatt? So you are saying it is ok because they owned them? I say that is yet another reason to stop deifying them, as they were moral cowards when it came to slaves, they knew it was wrong, they said it themselves, and they knew a civil war was on the horizon, now they had just finished fighting a revolution and were a little tired to do anything about it. What was the confederates excuse?
Crikey! Cenk was interrupted 7 seconds into his answer.
I wish the host would take a lesson from Johnny Carson. You set the ball on the tee, and then step back and let the guest hit it. If they drive it onto the fairway, great. If they hit it into the bunker, then it is their own fault. But as the host, you should get out of the way!
WHO STARTED THE CIVIL WAR? Well, the Confederates attacked Fort Sumter, which was an act of treason via declaring war on the United States. The Confederacy from day one was an act of treasonn, and to "celebrate" that is akin to celebrating treason.
These dumbass, inbred, non-thinking hicks really need to get an education, stop living in the past, and get a life!!
@SarahPalinLies here's what John Calhoun had to say about why the S. was upset with the feds. First, he made the point that the abolitionist agitation had brought the nation near to disunoin. He further went to point out, Violation of States' rights. Exlusion from common territory, Tariff laws that halted the South's progress. Just to name a few. seems like someone else needs to get the education
BULLSHIT...And you know it!! The South was fighting for state's rights alright. The Confederacy was about the States rights to continue slavery. Yes, they had other "issues" as it were, but slavery was THE main issue.
@SarahPalinLies you said it, they were fighting for "states' right alright" so, how am I rewriting history? Slavery was a State issue, Not a fed one.. simple as that. Today, there are issues over Education, Healthcare, Same sex marriage. Those issues are for the States to work out, Not the feds. so No.. I seriously Wont stop telling the truth. When lincoln won that war, the States in the Union Lost there Rights.. not hard to understand
@statesrights01 Well, its clear that we are not going your mind and you are not going to change ours. What will not change is that whenever the south celebrates the confederacy, it will cause the rest of the country to identify those participating in the celebration as racist.
No references to state's rights, sweatshops and other revisionisms are going change the fundamental facts.
@plynth2 sorry about your luck, your view of "fundamental facts" are abit one sided. Don't you think? You sit back and judge these men from todays stand point. These men (including our Forefathers) who gave all for what was right. Like it or not, slavery was a state issue, Not the feds. Today, the feds
@statesrights01 Today, the feds run almost everything, back in the early days up to the mid 19th cen. that wasn't the case. This is why the S. was so upset over the great compromise. If the Old Wig and Republicans could stop the Democrats from having states out west, then they could control the senate. Simple as that.. nothing more.
@statesrights01 I am not judging the confederates from today's standpoint. I am judging you from today's standpoint. Like it or not, the feds MADE slavery a federal issue, and rightly so.
You said "stop the Democrats from having states out west", by that you mean slave states out west. Slavery was the mother of all the south's reasons for the war. You prove that point in everything you say.
@plynth2 Nope, not "rightly so" try reading the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, and yes, you are judging the Confederates. Like it or not, judge it all you want, the feds had No right to make those choices. And I really don't care if you judge me or not. It's not my fault that Thomas Jefferson and many others felt that the States should rule themselfs for the most part. Don't like it, don't know what to tell you
I guess I'm just surprised that in this day and age that their are Americans that think that the south should have been allowed to keep slavery. If you are going to insist on that, then you are going to be labeled a racist-and rightly so.
@plynth2 you can call me what ever you want, if it makes you feel good. Shows your narrow minded way of thinking at any cost. No, Im Not talking about "this day and age" Im talking about History. N. as well as S. owned slaves. It was a State issue, Not a fed. one. The territories out W. were denide to the S. from the feds. the S. had God forsaken tariffs put on them, forcing the to buy from yankee factories.. Not sure what your not getting on this..
Your faint objection to the racist label is revealing.
Everything you say makes the same point. In this case, the tariffs were placed on a product that was produced with slave labor. I am not narrow minded, but I can see through your bogus smokesceen of a reason for the war. The mother of all the justifications for the war is slavery.
You characterize the tariffs as God forsaken, but slavery was not? You defend a state's right to maintain slavery? I experience no joy in calling you a racist. You have not attempted to defend yourself in this way, but another reason for your defense of the indefensible is to absolve yourself of the guilt you feel about the actions of your forefathers.
The war was 150 years ago brother. No one holds you responsible. All is forgiven. Forget about the war-the northerners have. Believe me, the only time a northerner thinks about the war is when southerners celebrate the confederacy. Confederacy supporters indicate to northerners that some in the south have not evolved along with the rest of us.
@plynth2 Im enjoying this talk, lets put things into perspective. 1st. Our Forefathers, many whom owned slaves. 2nd. The Constitution, in it makes the point clearly. That the feds have a few jobs to do, rest go to the states, or it's peoples. these laws are the law of the land. It dosn't matter if the issue is slavery, land out west, or even today.. health care, same sex marriage. it's a State issue, Not a fed one
@statesrights01 I support states' rights for the simple fact that, it's Constitutional. I do Not, Nor will I ever endorse slavery of any kind. If a states in the 19th cen. wanted to keep slaves, that would have been that states choice, Not for the feds to choose. There is Nothing racist about what Im saying, all Im saying is what the admendments are saying. This is what had the S. is an uproar
@plynth2 Southerners don't need to "evolve". If anything, the N. needs to re-read it's Constitution. As of now, many States are doing that very thing, Oh. Penn. Mich. just to name a few are telling the feds.. we have state sovereignty. No my friend, Im not racist in any shape or form, I do however support the S. in her fight for States' Rights. why?? it was and is the Law of the land.
If you are saying that you are maintaining a strict adherence to only the original articles and the Bill of Rights of the constitutuion, you are comfortable with people owning slaves, blacks and women cannot vote, etc., then you are one of those southerners that need to evolve. Of course, you probably believe the literally interpretation of the Bible so you con't even believe in evolution.
@plynth2 Just saying the samething over and over... States' Rights. as for the bible.. got a problem with that, you need to take that up with God. Do I think folks shouldn't be aloud to vote? did I ever say that anywhere?? Never.. Did I ever support slavery?? Never.. Stay on track, Im saying it's about States' Rights. Simple as that.. Nothing more
@plynth2 States Rights', yes. point is this, When the S. lost that war, the country as a whole lost it's "statehood" The feds run things now, not the States. The feds are far out of control, Not the States. As I had said before, Im not pro slavery, however, like it or not. When the S. lost it's rights like it did. We all Lost! lincoln wanted to run a more central style gov. and that's what he got. while We the States Lost. Not hard to understand
I suppose it is not a coincidence that the diminishment of states rights and the civil war came at the same time. Perhaps if the south had done the right thing at the time and abolished slavery, the south would not have seceded, the whole war could have been avoided and states rights would have remained the same. It seems what you are really claiming is that states rights were diminished as a result of the war - not the cause of it.
@statesrights01 On its face, your assertion that "Lincoln didn't like states rights" is a fabrication. I don't know of a single politician who has not liked states rights in general. Simply because southern politicians wanted stronger states rights so they could keep the institution of slavery doesn't mean that Lincoln "didn't like states rights".
@plynth2 you must think lincoln wrote the bill of rights and our constitution.. well, sorry, he didn't.. those who did knew and understood that guys like lincoln would rise up to power and take control. Nope.. it's all about States' Rights. like it or not. bottom line. If the S. wanted there slaves, then it was a States Issue. NOT a fed one. If the S. wanted to expand to the W. that too was OK. rather the lincolnites liked that or not
@plynth2 guess today why so many states are reaffirming there State Sovereignty is due to ... slaves? LOL.. once again plynth, you miss the forest for the tress.. keep going, you might see the whole picture just yet.. Peace
I find it so very strange when I make a point and then you give me an LOL and a "miss the forest for the trees" when it is you who missed my point.. You say "due to...slaves? LOL". NO-IT IS NOT THE SLAVES. That was my exact point that YOU missed. If you, TODAY, want to reafffirm states rights-don't do it with a Confederate flag because it is NOT ABOUT SLAVES. That was my point. You've got to smarten up.
Saying that the war was about states rights is like saying Christmas is a stroy about three wise men who, among other things, came across a newborn baby. I'll say it again, slavery THE reason for secession around which all other issues revolved.
@plynth2 21st Cen.? LOL.. what will they say about us 200 yrs. from now? They'll point and say we let oil spills kill the waters, let our cars exhaust kill the ozone.. just to name a few things.
Go Cenk!
LordBlk 2 months ago
Quixotic is a copout term for people who don't understand the potential of true communication.
1989wasborn 3 months ago
People need to remember that Slavery was under the US Flag and that it was the north that was shipping in slaves. Also people don't seem to have a problem with celebrating thanksgiving..which from the Native American's is a day to mourn.
ubermisogynist 4 months ago
Politics aside, both of these guys dont seem to fully grasp the problem.
And Cenk and his TYT need to QUIT hijacking videos on YouTube. I hate it when I click on a video and BAM...the young turks are there, dithering on and on
EarlofCrawford 4 months ago
Confederate History........ you mean splitting the Union and starting a war the killed piles of Americans on both sides...... all in the defence of slavery? Yeah, lets celebrate that.
Fuck the Rebels. I like to start bonfires with the "Stars and Bars", I find it works well and looks great on fire.
jschultzVII 7 months ago
I dont think Cenk knows what he's talking about when it comes too the Confederacy.
soukupb 7 months ago
I think that its good that republicans exposed themselves by proposing confederate history month. That has forever removed their right away to call themselves the civil rights party.
TheCaliCapitalist 7 months ago
@TheCaliCapitalist
by that logic Columbus Day and Independance day remove American's right to call itself pro civil rights. The Confedaracy was many things, some good and some bad. One of the bad things was that it allowed slavery, yet it wasn't many years before that the northern states allowed slavery, and they were still involved in eradication of native americans. In short, no nation is bloodless. The confederacy is nothing special where evils are concerned.
waldoman7 2 months ago
Cenk ? What is that Iranian. So if your a war hero your a redneck? This chunky Cenk needs to listen better instead of blathering like a drunk.
willywaldo1 8 months ago
@willywaldo1
You're an idiot. Cenk owned the guy, and cenk never said that "if you're a war hero, you're a red neck."
TheAdjundantReflex 8 months ago
@Ironman3446 nonsense. pure nonsense
lambofreak55 9 months ago
Am I the only one thinking Cenk is going to be bought up & sucked up into the system he was fighting against in the first place? Perfect exemple of how corporate media silence REALLY DANGEROUS ideas(for the corrupt elite), by giving way to more acceptable ones(liberal, but not dangerous for them)
truthmouthpiece2 9 months ago
msnbc are the exact same thing as fox.. but with liberals!! damn.. that HAS to mean that in the end, the result of this is the same= CRAP
what Cenk is doing there, for real.. you ain't gonna change anything in there, you're just being softened by the system.. WAKE UP!!!
truthmouthpiece2 9 months ago
israel wouldn't be giving up land because a lot of that land isn't really theirs they just think it is
megeles 10 months ago
yuck turks !
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FatReleaseSystem 1 year ago
Redneck tourism?????? wow thank you Cenk for insulting my ancestors and heritage!!!!! Your really open minded aren't you
redskins1111 1 year ago
@redskins1111 Fuck your redneck ancestors fucking hypocrites only we should keep open mind while you guys are all out racist and hating on pretty much the rest of the world making comments that make the U.S. look bad? Read some Mark Twain books. Might learn something about yourself.
kaziabir1 8 months ago
OMG is this Mike guy the same one who was talking about American Exceptionalism in one of the first Autotune the News videos?
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prokrastinatorSF 1 year ago
yeah the civil war was about slavery the north wanted to tax slavery and retain their slaves and force the south to give up theirs and let their carpet bagging buddies wrangle up the reaping of war, fuckin north just introduced the bolshevik BIG CO. interest in slavery and land, Fucking Drive By Media the masters of anti information
TheMiamifuentes 1 year ago
@TheMiamifuentes waaa so if thats true why did the civil war free slaves?
Dasconscripts 10 months ago
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jmkpns 1 year ago
haha i love cenks face at 4:33
huereguetueli 1 year ago 4
I don'tget it when pro-isreal people claim the solution is not "giving up land". Wtf? The west bank and gazastrip is Plaetsinian land, reconised internationaly as the palestinian territories. The problem is Israel OCUUPIES that land, both millitarly and settlements (colonies). Its not giving up land if that wasn teven yours. Every us president has been against the settlements,thay are illegal by internaitional law. Pretty much, Israel steals land and when asked to give it back, its giving up
TheArabChristian 1 year ago
@TheArabChristian So what should it do about rockets launched into its territory? Israel is fine with ceding Gaza and the West Bank if it would guarantee security IMHO. However, everytime they give over they don't get anything back in return. It must be quid-pro-quo. It's like Reagan and the spending cuts, he agreed to raise taxes with Congress but they didn't live up to their end of the bargain to cut twice in spending.
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fghgfjfgdgfdhgd 1 year ago
Virginia and the South deserves that month. After 5 years of constant fighting, and some of the bloodiest battles of the war, VA deserves it (if not all of the states). Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, First/Second Bull Run, Overland Campaign, Petersburg, Appomattox Campaign, and many other fights. All of those cost thousands of lives in VA alone, even if they had a cause that many frown upon today, then we should have the human decency to honor their courage and will to defend their homes.
rohirrim90 1 year ago
Guys The Civil War was all about state's rights,slavery and social and enconmics issues. I mean look at the Dred Scott case,Compromises and Bleeding Kansas. The one who started it are the South(Confederate). The South withdraw from the Union(North) when Lincoln was elected as president who opposed slavery and The North has more representatives because it has factories that needed no slaves and immigrants are going there because of it. i learning this at my school right now.
Saffroncreature 1 year ago
@Saffroncreature Actually not all of the states succeeded because of the election. Virginia for example mainly succeeded because of Lincoln's call for volunteers suppress the other states, they believed that it was legal for the states to succeed if they don't feel like they should stay and Lincoln should honor that. While the states that succeeded with VA I don't believe had the same reason, but like the rest, they had many reasons. Also go beyond the school's basic knowledge for debate.
rohirrim90 1 year ago
@rohirrim90 I know i say the south seceded because they're afraid of more power in the north due to more representatives and they wanted to protect their "way of life"hence slavery. Also the secession was illegal because it was against the Constitution which was that we must untie together by our founding fathers. It will set bad example if other states think about it.
Saffroncreature 1 year ago
Chenk Yugar lol. How times have changed.
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muzzleflash7 1 year ago
A turk dirtbag who denies the armenian genocide and the genocidal islamic slave trade and slavery in the otoman empire(including castration of mostly white christian slaves) is referring to founding stock americans as ``rednecks``. Has everyone seen what a scuzy, backworth shithole turkey is outside of instanbul and antalya?
NOSFERATU904 1 year ago
@NOSFERATU904 Cenk takes his shots at muslim countries when it is necessary....Hell, he is a huge critic of Saudi Arabia....dude, he doesn't deny the atrocities committed by people of the religion he was born into (he himself is agnostic)
TriplPlay2 1 year ago
@NOSFERATU904 Cenk is a athiest for your information you racist bitch.
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Master87Mind 1 year ago
Cenk should want to appear like he half ways has some brains and just kept his dumb mouth shut. What a freaking idiot!!! Yes they should mention slavery. Is that all the civil war was about? Hell no! It was mainly about the constant screwing of the south by the damn yankees and their unfair taxation, and damn states rights! Just ask Arizona right now. The Afro American race has their Black History Month, Their NAACP, and keep EXPECTING whites to lay down and watch. F%#K THAT!
nncup12fan 1 year ago
What other factors contributed to secession...? It was virtually just slavery. In fact, every state that issued a Declaration of Secession explicitly stated that their secession was purely due to issues with "african slavery" / "african servitude."
1stLtDavis 1 year ago
@1stLtDavis Sounds like you are a real history buff.......NOT
nncup12fan 1 year ago
@nncup12fan, I am not a real big history buff, but I can read and understand english...that'a all that is needed. The Confederate states made it very simple for the simple folk of America to comprehend - it was over slavery. Read their declarations of secession, bubba; they stated clearly and repeatedly that it was all over issues with slavery.
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nncup12fan 1 year ago
It's a shame when in the United States of America a Southern state cannot celebrate Confederate History Month. It is Virginia, they fought the US, they have every right to celebrate it! It's their own damn history!
theskiesbelowme 1 year ago
yeah, let's "remember and honor" racist confederate traitors. hey, while we're at it, lets have "nazi" month in virginia too. no mention of the holocaust of course.
does matt lewis and conservatives interrupt on every talk show?
tomitstube 1 year ago
@tomitstube Confederates are nowhere close to Nazis
theskiesbelowme 1 year ago
@theskiesbelowme ~ uh well let's see, confederates are white racist supremacists, and nazis are white racist supremacists. gee, looks like you're unequivocally wrong.
nazi's = confederates.
congratulations virginia.
tomitstube 1 year ago
@tomitstube Your logic is a complete failure. By the 1940's the attitudes of the South were more or less similar when it came to race as in the Civil War. The bulk of the US military was made of Southerners; so much so that the Confederate flag was flown on some ships and even raised over Shuri Castle once the US took it from Japan.
I highly doubt that American Southerners in World War II (many many of whom were white supremacists) were equal to Nazis, which is obviously who they were fighting.
theskiesbelowme 1 year ago
@theskiesbelowme ~ you raise an interesting point. racist americans killed racist germans during world war two, and vice versa. of course the american civil war was the ultimate act in racist absurdity. europe had already ended slavery, but in america, racist northerners started killing racists southerners, and vice versa.
600,000 whites died over the "right" of a few to own minorities "rights"... would you go to war to defend someone getting filthy rich off human suffering?
tomitstube 1 year ago
@theskiesbelowme Nazis are bad. Confederates are bad, even though not as bad as Nazis. Either way, there shouldn't be a month for them. I think most would agree the defining feature, the thing that comes to mind when you mention confederates were a people who wanted slavery.
newgarda 1 year ago
@theskiesbelowme You are a damn idiot too. Before the civilk war, and the damn yankees were relying on their newly found industries to profit and survive, Eli Whitney had made the cotton gin so the south could survive on their agriculture and trade with Britain. Is why the south became over taxated to pay for the norths advancement! Guess what, its STILL that way. Anyways, in the souths trading it was ALWAYS a Union Flag on our ship, NEVER a confederate one. So shut your shithole
nncup12fan 1 year ago
@nncup12fan Wow it sounds like you are defending the South...which is the same thing I'm doing...
theskiesbelowme 1 year ago
@theskiesbelowme Ouch, OMG, I apologize for that. I was reading a response to yours. That should have not been an @ thrown your way. Was just stating some facts for this 1stltdan and newgarda since they really dont know half as much as they think or they may be dangerous. My fault. Remove if youd like. These young Turds are idiots too.
nncup12fan 1 year ago
@nncup12fan No problem. Glad that someone agrees with me lol. I hate this guy on the Young Turds... His smirk is unbearable
theskiesbelowme 1 year ago
How did Hamas "take over"?
If he means that they staged a violent coup, then he's wrong; if he means they won a fairly run democratic election, then he's right.
I appreciate some Americans have a problem with popularly elected governments but how about learning from history and dealing with these governments instead of trying to illegally undermine them?
jk147a 1 year ago
Every discussion about the mid-east conflict in America is so superficial, and so disconnected from reality...
Israel is prepared to withdraw from the occupied territories. The dispute isn't about that. The dispute is about the fact that the Palestinians demand that Israel takes millions of Palestinian refugees, effectively turning Israel into a Palestinian state.
That's the bone of contention. When are you going to realize it?
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2r3notgoodas1 1 year ago
The rednecks are like children who never learned humor. They are mostly boring and dumb. Maybe they just need a little more Depleted Uranium in their environment. I hear they enjoy laughing at suffering and deformed people. Perhaps we could erect a national redneck park, complete with deformed babies. There could even be a section where if they sign a release clause, we'll even let them perform random acts of stupidity; sending themselves to the hospital at the audience amusement.
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago 2
Cenk ! Da Big Fratboy !
alphecca2539 1 year ago
4:21 to 4:35 is HILARIOUS!!! Cenks face was like "what the hell are you talking about?"
wildboy789789 1 year ago
Cenks doesnt know shit about Israeli - Palestinian politics...but he's clearly pro-Palestinian.
shabyyy 1 year ago
Cenk is a Beast. I don't think he can be out-debated and he always uses just simple logic.
flury51 1 year ago 11
@flury51 perception is reality. When I watch Cenk is see a buffoon and when starts yelling manically it shows he knows he got one uped. I am glad MSNBC fired him
ubermisogynist 4 months ago
i hate television debates there is so much pr involved
mellla 1 year ago
cenks an idiot if he cant tell the difference
aw4991 1 year ago
"Eventually" perhaps, but I was under the impression that trading with nations that practiced slavery wasn't exactly something that "civilized nations" refused to do, in the 19th century or even today... I know I'm making a generalization there, but that's in response to the notion that the CSA couldn't have hoped to survive the civil war with the institution of slavery intact. Slavery was a big part of the Civil War, and it began long before the Emancipation Proclamation.
XSC3 1 year ago
Politics aside.. I hate the constant dirty smirk on this Matt guy, makes me wanna smack it off him with full force
MaximumStackz 1 year ago 39
@MaximumStackz , Me too!
sskgrs 1 year ago
@MaximumStackz I hate the smirk on Cenk's face as though no other viewpoint can have credence but his own. I love how Cenk mentions nothing of th failed diplomacy with Israeli PM's visit to WH, or to his lackluster response on the settlement issue. Why should Israel give up anything to a group of people firing rockets into them? If Palestine could control it's population, we would have no problem there.
BosPercussion 1 year ago
@BosPercussion
I dont care what your view on the politics here is you assclown. You shouldn't have bothered with your retarded ass reply.
MaximumStackz 1 year ago
@MaximumStackz Amen.
slaptybak 2 months ago
The "latness" in abolishing slavery really has no part in the argument. The South would have prolonged slavery as long as they could, because again, the wealth of the elite was primarily based upon it. They didn't want to give up this resource that was so tied to their economic prosperity. the civil war was waged over states rights, the primary right being to own slaves.
XSC3 1 year ago
I'm really not sure what the fact that many of the Founding Fathers were slave owners or that slavery "helped" build the country in the first place somehow makes fighting against slavery generations later invalid. the fact is that many were coming to realize the inhumanity of the institution. Sure, it may have helped that other nations were beginning to outlaw slavery, and that the economy of the nation was becoming less dependent upon this institution.
XSC3 1 year ago
I think the best way to honor our ancestors is to talk openly and honestly about history, including the parts that make us uncomfortable. We should talk about what actually happened. Censoring history to make ourselves feel better is not the right way. What, is the purpose of history to inflate OUR egos and OUR pride? It's not about winning some argument now, it's about treating the past with respect, which means not ignoring the parts we don't like. It's painful, but the only honest thing to do
XSC3 1 year ago
Chenk? Jack? It must be awesome having a first name nobody in the mainstream media can get right
XSC3 1 year ago
wow the other dude talking about going against america is a little unpatriotic. and matts white as hell wtf is he like 1/1000000000 black? and confederate month does make some since because they were americans and they were fighting for what they thought they had a right to do. even though i dont think it was right, and its just amazing how cival right leaders jump on anything they think is racist when is has little or no effect on the race as a whole.
TheMrTittle 1 year ago
If you want to talk about history, call it "civil war history" month, if you're going to have it, and don't leave out slavery.
XSC3 1 year ago
@XSC3 The civil war was never about slavery. Slavery was thrown in later by Lincoln to encourage black conscripts for the North so that they could be used as cannon fodder against the South in order to preserve white union soldiers. Originaly the civil war was about the South gaining freedom and independence from the USA and to become their own nation, the CSA. It sickens me that many Americans do not know anything about their own history apart from the censored crap that's handed to them.
grobo11 1 year ago
@grobo11 But WHY did the Southern states want independence from the North? Because the southern "aristocracy's" wealth was based primarily on slave labor. So all those poor southern boy who bled and died for the confederacy (even fighting their own kin) were inadvertently being used by these wealthy land owners and cotton kings to support their lifestyle.
XSC3 1 year ago
@grobo11 ... I know, fighting for land and capitalism are American ideals, but let's be real here... saying it had nothing to do with slavery is incredibly naive. Incidentally the CSA actually employed black soldiers before the North. If anything, the romantic idea that everything was fine in the land of cotton until the North began their terrible aggression, is the "censored crap." Look, I understand that both sides were racist and exploitive, but the CSA would not have formed without slavery
XSC3 1 year ago
Of course the war was about slavery. The South said so when they started it, in their Cornerstone Speech and Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, and South Carolina declarations of secession that you've obviously NEVER EVEN READ. It sickens me when uneducated assholes from Britain try to lecture the world about American history when they know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about their own British history, much less American. Now go back to claiming Britain passed the 1833 Slave Abolition Act in the 1700s!!! LOL!!!
RonPaulHatesBlacks 1 year ago
@grobo11 practically speaking the main question of the Civil War was over states rights... and the primary right in question was over WHETHER TO KEEP SLAVERY LEGAL.
XSC3 1 year ago
@XSC3 Possibly, but to imagine that if the CSA had won their independence that they would have continued with slavery is popostorous. Slavery would of had to of ended other wise no 'civilised' nation would trade with the CSA and may of driven it into economic disaster. They may have been un-willing to do it but it would of have to have been done. In honesty the USA was pretty late in the abolishment of slavery anyway, one of the last to do it.
grobo11 1 year ago
@grobo11 that was in fact their plan. Apart from re-affirming the ban on the slave TRADE, the constutition of the CSA would have protected the rights of slave owners. The wealth of the south was still based primarily on work done mostly by slave labor. Sure, eventually you could say the dependance on slavery could have been reduced, but that's like saying there's no need for slaves today. Of course there is. most have just understood that it's not worth the human degradation.
XSC3 1 year ago
OH thats an insult that jackass Cenk Uqyur hit below the belt; its ridiculous hes dishonored my ancestors, he needs to shut his mouth up he ancestors werent even here during the war
redskins1111 1 year ago
Cenk owned him
1Mafioso4 1 year ago 46
I understand a lot of Southerners don't want to face up to this, because to them it's saying "your ancestors died for nothing" or worse, "they died for evil." The average man who fought for the Confederacy was not a slave owner. The wealthy elite of the South who got most of their capital thanks to slavery lost everything after the war.
XSC3 1 year ago
@1Mafioso4 How? Even Ratigan agreed with the position at the end trailing off. Cenk leaves off way too many facts and has unsubstantiated claims.
BosPercussion 1 year ago
Cenk - Brilliant - Spon On!
Right wing Zionism is only in power coz they bend and use the Orthodox Haredi sect (which holds balance of power in a secular country 0.o) to stay in Gov. They keep shoving the Haredi people, who are vastly breeding & never work or do national service (which is a good thing lol) into the new settlements. The right wing Zionist Gov are putting Israeli's lives at risk by their stupid fairytale tradition!
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MilitantPeaceist 1 year ago
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Of course they need to give some land back & share Jerusalem - der! & the Iran incentive is a no brainer, they both want to wipe each other off the map, the only thing we need to concentrate on are the children, we need to save the children who are not yet into this cultural hatefest which is all over the "pride over nationalism" - Right wing are facists!
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MilitantPeaceist 1 year ago
Matt Lewis is a real douche ignoring key facts he is surely aware of to score political points while real people suffer in the middle east for his bonehead thinking. Anything Obama has done to get a little support or respect in the world was imediately seized upon by the right wing in the U.S. to criticize him and make him the anti-christ.
stama9 1 year ago
Cenek is exactly right. Israel TOOK land.. and so they dont want to give it back now. And the conservatives in Israel are just as bad as the conservatives in the USA.
DRDNIBOY 1 year ago
Honor for traitors? They fought against their own homeland, like that American Terrorist.
Duobitdezo 1 year ago
Cenk is an idiot! Without a script he is a BUFFOON!
mgallant01 1 year ago
in youre face logic by matt lewis.
mellla 1 year ago
quote: if i where a nation out there what i would probably do is be a enemy of america! because thats how you get land its when youre a ally of america you get nothing. unquote. wtf he's talking treason
mellla 1 year ago
@mellla I caught that too!!! It's like he is encouraging anarchy.....smdh : (
QTV2008 1 year ago
The North exploited the factory workers and had a more hidden but still strong racism. Why should people have died for something as emphemeral as maintaining a nation? But slaverly was not a humane institution in this country. I'm sure some masters were gentler than others. That's not the point. Those men died for a lot of different reasons. If I were living back then, could I blame somebody who was drafted or who fought because they saw a threat to their homes and family? It's complex.
XSC3 1 year ago
People are interested in the Civil War for a lot of different reasons, but it's these folks who just want to fly the "rebel flag," whistle Dixie, and yell about "southern pride" and think it was all just a big picnic that was pissed on by the snooty northerners (and imagine some kind of southern paradise out of a cheesy melodrama before the war) are as guilty of distorting history as the people you're objecting to. So study the real history, do it right. Don't say slavery wasn't relevant
XSC3 1 year ago
@XSC3 True. But the union soldiers didn't fight against slavery and neither did they figh for good. They fought for nationalism and to mend the great schism within their country, nothing but patriotic dribble. Furthermore, after the US revolution one of your main industry was slave trade was it not? This is the mortar and foundation which built your countries wealth and prosperity, I see no difference between the colonial days Americans (British) and the latter.
grobo11 1 year ago
@grobo11 actually there were a good number of Northerners that actively fought to end slavery. Sure, not EVERY SINGLE UNION SOLDIER, but you'd be completely out to lunch to believe they all fought for "nationalism" and "healing the union" as well. I'm sure there were a great number of soldiers on both sides (perhaps the majority), who fought because they felt they "had to" (drafted, pressured by family, economy, thought their home was threatened, etc) just like in EVERY war.
XSC3 1 year ago
But it's true that some fought to end slavery and others fought to preserve it, even if most soldiers probably did so for other reasons...
Slavery continues in our world all over the globe, but it does so mostly in a clandestine manner or in regimes where there are no explicit protections in the law against such things. sadly the West still profits from interactions with these nation states, and so the struggle for freedom continues.
XSC3 1 year ago
@mellla so?
CodyAllenmusic 1 year ago
Looks like this guy "Cenk" doesn't have such a sharp tongue when there's no teleprompter to back him up...
RichardRoma123 1 year ago
Confederate History Month? What an idiot.
FeloniousDrunk 1 year ago
Every time I see you "politically debate" I fucking laugh my ass off...
maceek1 1 year ago
cant help laughing at you anti black ; red neck fools ;your still fighting a war you lost decades ago . time to grow up
MrStewart149 1 year ago
I think it is funny that people are still trying to hold back a train that has already left the station. Every one has to live in this country with civility and peace. Yet, you have a sect that just cant stand that. God is a God of righteouness and whatever was not right and is not right will be made right.
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Fucking liberals will joke about states rights until they're blue in the face. But they'll be damned if we insult womens rights to kill their children, faggots rights to act like... faggots, niggers rights to be above the law and the list goes on.
FollowMyDamnedLaws 1 year ago
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So we can have nigger history month, spic history month, fag pride parades, violent feminist rallies and so on... But us confederates can't celebrate our history? FUCK OFF SAND NIGGR!!
FollowMyDamnedLaws 1 year ago
@FollowMyDamnedLaws Everything that you have fought NIGGER'S over as been over come. Folks do what they want now wher they want. You got to many folks to fight now, including your own. History as proven that you will NEVER stop the progress of change.
moosehead5757 1 year ago
What the fuck are you smoking? Look at public schools and places like Detroit and Baltimore. Prime examples of how niggers are still ruining our country. Saying otherwise will further discredit your statement.
FollowMyDamnedLaws 1 year ago
cenk released the kraken on his ass :P
Taidgh17 1 year ago
Giving up land doesn't work. Keep the territory and keep building settlements until Palestinians figure out they can't win, and fall in line. Then you have peace. Every time Israel makes a concession to Palestine they get increased violence, it encourages and strengthens the terrorists. The failure of liberals to realize something so obvious is because they refuse to see radical Islam for what it is. Because in their mind it's racist to call a terrorists a terrorist.
IBeatUpThugs 1 year ago
When is the slave auction scheduled? Alert Rash Limbaugh.
blazehok 1 year ago
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Shut the fuck up, we all know that nigger slaves are useless, thats why when we freed them, they ran around like useless apes and look at them now, welfare sucking, project dwelling, jail fillers.
FollowMyDamnedLaws 1 year ago
@FollowMyDamnedLaws Do you really think people care if you use the name NIGGER? By the way there are just as many white folks sitting in the welfare office as it is as many black folks that get up and work every day and live well. Most of u using the name NIGGER will never call them one to their face.
moosehead5757 1 year ago
@FollowMyDamnedLaws You sound ignorant. The same NIGGERS u talking about live better than you could ever think about living. There are just as many WHITE folks in jail, on welfare, project dwelling. If there is a gap, if you had a 400 yr head start u should have an edge. However, the gap is closing cause the world is changing.
moosehead5757 1 year ago
I can't believe MSNBC has this guy on. They've really gone downhill...
ShiftingFeet 1 year ago
Right... Americans need to have a sanitized version of "Confederate History Month" in order to remember the Civil War and the South because Americans are in danger of losing that glorious memory... I DON'T THINK SO.
I think most people who have grown up in the South during the last century will probably tell us that until the late 1970s or even later, every month was "Confederate History Month" according to the Southern cultural and political establishment.
Some might disagree - that's fine
weirdoweirdo 1 year ago
"it's when you're an ally of the United States that you get nothing" at 7:46 look at Cenk's face lol, priceless. does Lewis know how much frickin military aid we give to israel every year? It's become a one-way alliance. Israel has done nothing for us lately, and perpetuating this war is only going to get more of our troops killed and Iraq and Afghanistan as long as this the Israel-Palestine issues is used as a recruiting tool.
Marine4Life51 1 year ago
(no offense to any intended)
according to them, its alright to have a national black history month, which surronds a very diverse cultural group and its accomplishments... but they say that if there is a confederate history month, that they must make all these people regret ancestors and their practices?
ok, this is like me bitching at the germans over their ancestors torturing my polish ancestors.
if you are german, do you regret killing my family?
no, because it is not your fault whatsoever.
reallyidontknow 1 year ago
@reallyidontknow You would be bitching if they CELEBRATED killing your ancestors. I have yet to hear anything about national Nazi month being celebrated. There is nothing to be prideful about. Instead of saying, hey you know we got that one wrong, and we are sorry, they defend it like tomcaatt below, for over 150 years these same people haven't gotten the message. They were wrong.
dwade1962eagle 1 year ago
@dwade1962eagle
my point im trying to make is that culture groups should all be allowed to have a time of national/cultural pride if they wanted it, regardless of the actions of their ancestors.
of course, if celebrating meant the promotion of slavery or my earlier case of a hypothetical case of nazi promotion-- then you get into a big freedom of speech problem, which is a hard decision these days.
reallyidontknow 1 year ago
@reallyidontknow I have no problem with individual groups marching in support of whatever they want to support, and they do march for the south, all the time, re-enactments, museums, but this was a state mandated declaration, it isn't the first time this has happened, it was done to polarize people, and to stir a disgruntled white populace who are feeling marginalized, by a governor who is quickly becoming known for stirring that pot.
dwade1962eagle 1 year ago
Our current govt introduced everthing from herion crack sypholis probably syckle cell from new york to la
Tomcaatt 1 year ago
In the 60s there were more race riots in the north than the south!
Tomcaatt 1 year ago
The south is demonized for it!
Tomcaatt 1 year ago
Our president, congress, senate , owned slaves !
Tomcaatt 1 year ago
@Tomcaatt So they owned slaves Tomcaatt? So you are saying it is ok because they owned them? I say that is yet another reason to stop deifying them, as they were moral cowards when it came to slaves, they knew it was wrong, they said it themselves, and they knew a civil war was on the horizon, now they had just finished fighting a revolution and were a little tired to do anything about it. What was the confederates excuse?
dwade1962eagle 1 year ago
Crikey! Cenk was interrupted 7 seconds into his answer.
I wish the host would take a lesson from Johnny Carson. You set the ball on the tee, and then step back and let the guest hit it. If they drive it onto the fairway, great. If they hit it into the bunker, then it is their own fault. But as the host, you should get out of the way!
thebgbb 1 year ago
Rednecks lol go CENK!!
ExplosiveCleverly 1 year ago
WHO STARTED THE CIVIL WAR? Well, the Confederates attacked Fort Sumter, which was an act of treason via declaring war on the United States. The Confederacy from day one was an act of treasonn, and to "celebrate" that is akin to celebrating treason.
These dumbass, inbred, non-thinking hicks really need to get an education, stop living in the past, and get a life!!
SarahPalinLies 1 year ago
@SarahPalinLies here's what John Calhoun had to say about why the S. was upset with the feds. First, he made the point that the abolitionist agitation had brought the nation near to disunoin. He further went to point out, Violation of States' rights. Exlusion from common territory, Tariff laws that halted the South's progress. Just to name a few. seems like someone else needs to get the education
statesrights01 1 year ago
BULLSHIT...And you know it!! The South was fighting for state's rights alright. The Confederacy was about the States rights to continue slavery. Yes, they had other "issues" as it were, but slavery was THE main issue.
Stop trying to rewrite history... No, seriously!!
SarahPalinLies 1 year ago
@SarahPalinLies you said it, they were fighting for "states' right alright" so, how am I rewriting history? Slavery was a State issue, Not a fed one.. simple as that. Today, there are issues over Education, Healthcare, Same sex marriage. Those issues are for the States to work out, Not the feds. so No.. I seriously Wont stop telling the truth. When lincoln won that war, the States in the Union Lost there Rights.. not hard to understand
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01 Well, its clear that we are not going your mind and you are not going to change ours. What will not change is that whenever the south celebrates the confederacy, it will cause the rest of the country to identify those participating in the celebration as racist.
No references to state's rights, sweatshops and other revisionisms are going change the fundamental facts.
plynth2 1 year ago
@plynth2 sorry about your luck, your view of "fundamental facts" are abit one sided. Don't you think? You sit back and judge these men from todays stand point. These men (including our Forefathers) who gave all for what was right. Like it or not, slavery was a state issue, Not the feds. Today, the feds
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01 Today, the feds run almost everything, back in the early days up to the mid 19th cen. that wasn't the case. This is why the S. was so upset over the great compromise. If the Old Wig and Republicans could stop the Democrats from having states out west, then they could control the senate. Simple as that.. nothing more.
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01 I am not judging the confederates from today's standpoint. I am judging you from today's standpoint. Like it or not, the feds MADE slavery a federal issue, and rightly so.
You said "stop the Democrats from having states out west", by that you mean slave states out west. Slavery was the mother of all the south's reasons for the war. You prove that point in everything you say.
plynth2 1 year ago
@plynth2 Nope, not "rightly so" try reading the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, and yes, you are judging the Confederates. Like it or not, judge it all you want, the feds had No right to make those choices. And I really don't care if you judge me or not. It's not my fault that Thomas Jefferson and many others felt that the States should rule themselfs for the most part. Don't like it, don't know what to tell you
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01
I guess I'm just surprised that in this day and age that their are Americans that think that the south should have been allowed to keep slavery. If you are going to insist on that, then you are going to be labeled a racist-and rightly so.
plynth2 1 year ago
@plynth2 you can call me what ever you want, if it makes you feel good. Shows your narrow minded way of thinking at any cost. No, Im Not talking about "this day and age" Im talking about History. N. as well as S. owned slaves. It was a State issue, Not a fed. one. The territories out W. were denide to the S. from the feds. the S. had God forsaken tariffs put on them, forcing the to buy from yankee factories.. Not sure what your not getting on this..
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01
Your faint objection to the racist label is revealing.
Everything you say makes the same point. In this case, the tariffs were placed on a product that was produced with slave labor. I am not narrow minded, but I can see through your bogus smokesceen of a reason for the war. The mother of all the justifications for the war is slavery.
plynth2 1 year ago
@statesrights01
You characterize the tariffs as God forsaken, but slavery was not? You defend a state's right to maintain slavery? I experience no joy in calling you a racist. You have not attempted to defend yourself in this way, but another reason for your defense of the indefensible is to absolve yourself of the guilt you feel about the actions of your forefathers.
plynth2 1 year ago
@statesrights01
The war was 150 years ago brother. No one holds you responsible. All is forgiven. Forget about the war-the northerners have. Believe me, the only time a northerner thinks about the war is when southerners celebrate the confederacy. Confederacy supporters indicate to northerners that some in the south have not evolved along with the rest of us.
plynth2 1 year ago
@plynth2 Im enjoying this talk, lets put things into perspective. 1st. Our Forefathers, many whom owned slaves. 2nd. The Constitution, in it makes the point clearly. That the feds have a few jobs to do, rest go to the states, or it's peoples. these laws are the law of the land. It dosn't matter if the issue is slavery, land out west, or even today.. health care, same sex marriage. it's a State issue, Not a fed one
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01 I support states' rights for the simple fact that, it's Constitutional. I do Not, Nor will I ever endorse slavery of any kind. If a states in the 19th cen. wanted to keep slaves, that would have been that states choice, Not for the feds to choose. There is Nothing racist about what Im saying, all Im saying is what the admendments are saying. This is what had the S. is an uproar
statesrights01 1 year ago
@plynth2 Southerners don't need to "evolve". If anything, the N. needs to re-read it's Constitution. As of now, many States are doing that very thing, Oh. Penn. Mich. just to name a few are telling the feds.. we have state sovereignty. No my friend, Im not racist in any shape or form, I do however support the S. in her fight for States' Rights. why?? it was and is the Law of the land.
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01
If you are saying that you are maintaining a strict adherence to only the original articles and the Bill of Rights of the constitutuion, you are comfortable with people owning slaves, blacks and women cannot vote, etc., then you are one of those southerners that need to evolve. Of course, you probably believe the literally interpretation of the Bible so you con't even believe in evolution.
plynth2 1 year ago
@plynth2 Just saying the samething over and over... States' Rights. as for the bible.. got a problem with that, you need to take that up with God. Do I think folks shouldn't be aloud to vote? did I ever say that anywhere?? Never.. Did I ever support slavery?? Never.. Stay on track, Im saying it's about States' Rights. Simple as that.. Nothing more
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01 You're right. We keep repeating the same thing. The south wanted to exercise their state's rights as the device to keep slavery.
plynth2 1 year ago
@plynth2 States Rights', yes. point is this, When the S. lost that war, the country as a whole lost it's "statehood" The feds run things now, not the States. The feds are far out of control, Not the States. As I had said before, Im not pro slavery, however, like it or not. When the S. lost it's rights like it did. We all Lost! lincoln wanted to run a more central style gov. and that's what he got. while We the States Lost. Not hard to understand
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01
I suppose it is not a coincidence that the diminishment of states rights and the civil war came at the same time. Perhaps if the south had done the right thing at the time and abolished slavery, the south would not have seceded, the whole war could have been avoided and states rights would have remained the same. It seems what you are really claiming is that states rights were diminished as a result of the war - not the cause of it.
plynth2 1 year ago
@plynth2 why would it be a coincidence? lincoln didn't like States' Rights, he wanted a more central style type of gov. ....
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01 On its face, your assertion that "Lincoln didn't like states rights" is a fabrication. I don't know of a single politician who has not liked states rights in general. Simply because southern politicians wanted stronger states rights so they could keep the institution of slavery doesn't mean that Lincoln "didn't like states rights".
plynth2 1 year ago
@plynth2 you must think lincoln wrote the bill of rights and our constitution.. well, sorry, he didn't.. those who did knew and understood that guys like lincoln would rise up to power and take control. Nope.. it's all about States' Rights. like it or not. bottom line. If the S. wanted there slaves, then it was a States Issue. NOT a fed one. If the S. wanted to expand to the W. that too was OK. rather the lincolnites liked that or not
statesrights01 1 year ago
@plynth2 guess today why so many states are reaffirming there State Sovereignty is due to ... slaves? LOL.. once again plynth, you miss the forest for the tress.. keep going, you might see the whole picture just yet.. Peace
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01
I find it so very strange when I make a point and then you give me an LOL and a "miss the forest for the trees" when it is you who missed my point.. You say "due to...slaves? LOL". NO-IT IS NOT THE SLAVES. That was my exact point that YOU missed. If you, TODAY, want to reafffirm states rights-don't do it with a Confederate flag because it is NOT ABOUT SLAVES. That was my point. You've got to smarten up.
plynth2 1 year ago
@statesrights01
Saying that the war was about states rights is like saying Christmas is a stroy about three wise men who, among other things, came across a newborn baby. I'll say it again, slavery THE reason for secession around which all other issues revolved.
plynth2 1 year ago
@plynth2 21st Cen.? LOL.. what will they say about us 200 yrs. from now? They'll point and say we let oil spills kill the waters, let our cars exhaust kill the ozone.. just to name a few things.
statesrights01 1 year ago
@statesrights01 I have no idea what you are trying to say in you 200 yrs from now post. Are you drunk or something?
plynth2 1 year ago