they call that value added and i like it we somehow need a tagline and a way to tie it in to nz,,like the aussie burger but maybe with the fur a self heating option rather than the coal fired electric option.blood n bone type product instead of synthetic fertilizer..a hook to get in the punters especially for the offshore market.export driven for foreign capital.reduce the debt at the same time,i see a clean biodynamic healthy soil future for new zealand
i was just goin to use them as regrowth tools for the forest but hell yes if we can make a profit from the carcass to then its doubly sweet..its got to be all about the profit if my plan to rid nz of pests is to be implemented.screw paying for chemicals from some foreign multinational
why not utelise the fur of the possums for profit put a bounty on the suckers
so people could get out into the wilderness and make a living create an industry around it.much like we could have with rabbits were it not for calicivirus,stoats ferrets likewise bounty and extinct them for the money and the native flora and fauna,surely we can borrow to pay for that maybe a real job creation scheme as opposed to the cycleway..whose with me make money out of wiping out these pests and drop the 1080!
get mcdonalds to make an aussie Burger, with minced possum patties. it'll be a big tourist attraction, cos possum is not edible in oz due to legal protection... NZ, The only place in the world to serve the Aussie Burger!
Its well known that the possum is the mammal most resistant to 1080. When countries all over the world banned it, Nationals Ruth Richardson bought up the supplies and proceeded to push the use of 1080 on our country,She made a lot of money...Another corrupt nest lining National psychopath.
@mike1control Buried it, eh? Sounds like the words of a conspiracy theorist to me. Believe what you want to believe by all means, but don't expect anyone else to believe you if all you've got to fall back on is rumour and rhetoric. Now go an drink a nice glass of flouridated water and be thankful that you might still have your own teeth by the time you're seventy.
@MrErtvarkie maybe.i was on a plane circling an erupting volcano and read the report over a guys shoulder thats the truth of it.i guess i had the opportunity to try an lift it he was obviously distracted looking out the window at this rather cool central north island volcanic spectacle.that said i wouldnt have got far on a small eagle air plane.he was flying to wellington to report to the govt of the day.thats the truth of it.now either call me a liar or disengage your beliefs and question.peace
Yup. Science isn't that simple, mate. Sodium fluoroacetate occurs naturally in at least 40 plants in Australia, Brazil, and Africa. It was first identified in the poison leaf (Dichapetalum cymosum) by Marais in 1944....It is believed that the compound is even present in tea leaves in tiny amounts. (source= Wikipedia). Sodium's also in table salt. Fluoride is found naturally in low concentration in drinking water and foods. Acetic acid is in vinegar. So your point...?
@MrErtvarkie the coolest thing about science to me is how new science obliterates old science just something that happens throughout history.remember that history thing .thats what we are meant to learn from so as to avoid repeating.
@MrErtvarkie table salt is poison.fluoride is poison vinegar has its uses one of which is as a poison,but hell if we are talking bout uses then wasnt it the nazi's that first put sodium fluoride an water together?
@NZtrillion 1080 is banned in most countries because it is a highly-effective mammal poison. The only land mammals here in NZ (with the exception of our two native bats) are ones that are responsible for the loss of over 25 MILLION native bird eggs and chicks every year. Pretty simple really. Our unique ecosystems are also a lot more f*cked than most other countries', so we have to take more extreme measures.
@NZtrillion Why on Earth would I want to do that?!? No-one's disputing it's toxic FFS! I wouldn't drink shampoo or laundry detergent either. Besides, like birds and unlike possums, don't much like the taste of cinnamon. You need to put the risks into perspective. In the unlikely event a toxic bait fell into a stream, the sheer volume of water would dilute it beyond trace. Comparing this to a bait in a glass of water is absolutely pointless and just makes you look like a hysterical dick.
@MrErtvarkie science generally is simple common sense answers.as in:first identified in a plant named 'poison leaf',so named for its propensity to poison,obviously there are more parts to the plants composition that just these molecules,which are a factor in their survival having evolved with the plant to protect it from some threat.however isolated/synthesized in the laboratory is somewhat different to nature i hope you would agree..Xx
that is a downright lie i have seen doc reports and govt reports detailing the kill rates of all mammals birds and reptiles in the urewera's more than a decade ago.the results stated quite clearly that 1080 killed kiwi falcon parrots et al it comes across.you are lying to the people check your facts
Finally, while I totally agree with your sentiments about NZ being far from 100% pure, I think you're exaggerating the danger of 1080. Used properly, 1080 is the most effective pest control tool we currently have, especially for inaccessible bush. It's ideal for use in NZ because birds, reptiles, fish and invertebrates (which make up the vast majority of NZ’s native fauna) are a lot less susceptible to 1080 than mammals. It is saving native wildlife, not killing it!
they attract, capture and house hundreds of rats alive in one location, until you go in and kill them all. that way you don't have smelly carcases inside the traps. 1080 is an expensive and lazy way to kill everything.
@NZtrillion Expensive? Do you know how much it would cost to train up, insure and pay trappers to risk their lives trekking for hours or choppering into the backblocks? We have a tool available to us that is realatively cheap and highly effective. The risks to native wildlife are far smaller than the deerstalking/chemophobic/anti-establishment anti-1080 lobby try to make out - the results are the difference betwen survival and extinction for some of our rarest animals.
@NZtrillion But yes, I agree the development of a new self-resetting trap looks promising for some situations - once we overcome the issue of finding a reliable, long-life lure which attracts pests to the trap over a long period of time.
Thirdly, cold-blooded animals such as fish and reptiles appear to be resistant to 1080 poisoning. Eels and crayfish quickly eliminate residues. Moreover, these species, together with aquatic plant organisms are unlikely to be exposed to 1080 because only very low concentrations are likely to occur in streams. Do a YouTube search on '1080 poison does not kill crayfish' if you want to find out more about the research that has gone into the effect of 1080 on freshwater ecosystems.
Secondly, in a worst case scenario where 50 kg of 1080 bait were accidentally dropped into a pond during an aerial operation, at most, 75 grams of poison would enter the water. If the pond was 100 square metres in area, with an average depth of one metre (so a pretty average farm pond), an adult would have to drink more than 400 litres of the pond water AT ONE TIME in order to receive a lethal dose. The toxion is very quickly metabolised by the body and doesn't accumulate.
Firstly, 1080 (whose active ingredient, sodium fluoroacetate occurs naturally in over 40 species of plant, including TEA!) is biodegradable. In both water and soil, micro-organisms break it down into harmless natural by-products. It also dilutes rapidly in water. More than 2000 water samples have been taken after 1080 operations and the Ministry of Health’s town drinking water standards of two parts of 1080 per billion parts of water have NEVER been breached.
@MrErtvarkie so a chemical soup comprised of sodium(a poison)fluoride(a poison) and acetate(a poison or a source of coloured vinyl type material for records)is naturally occuring.cool.town water standards around the world to quantify things lets look at fluoridation and chlorine use and all else that goes into it.it aint the water i used to drink..it aint the water my body craves.you want to know the importance of water:google 'your body's many cries for water' or : Dr. Masaru Emoto.check it
Comparing the risk of 1080 contaminating our waterways to the obvious problems of dirty dairying and sewage disposal is extremely disingenuous. There is absolutely NO evidence that 1080 pollutes waterways.
Hahaha...that was a good edit dude. JKeys is delusional if he thinks its 100 % green. As if the poolution in the rivers isnt bad enough...whos gonna clean up the mess if petrobras search for oil off the east cape turns to shit? Not the "smiling ASSassin I bet!
@NZtrillion I wouldn't have complained, they are you're videos to produce however you like, but I don't like the effect and think it detracts from the message as well.
just on a 2nd thought - did you not get any message out of this?
the flickering boarder also acts as a distraction from the automated copyright machines that pick up material owned by others... although the BBC footage was picked up in this one.
@NZtrillion hey, i got this reply but no others. sorry about the duplicate posts, youtube was telling me that my attempts to comment were unsuccessful so I tried a couple of times.
your point about the flickering border makes sense, that seems like a valid reason to continue to do it if it really does help. regardless, thanks for spreading the message.
@mike1control 1080 has NEVER killed kiwi. 1080 is about the only thing standing between survival and extinction for the orange-fronted parakeet (our rarest kakariki species) - just look at what DOC are doing in the Hawdon Valley if you don't believe me. Similarly, a series of 1080 operations in the Waitutu Forest (Southland) has resulted in a booming population of kaka.
HARDTALK i liked this interviewhe put john key on the spot heaps and he had no plausible answers
SpastiCSackZ 3 weeks ago
Sorry but if i see John Key around i will punch him in the head
hazadus3 6 months ago
it appears the govt since they started have fked us all over ! we dont need a govt to run us anymore we can do it ourselves
smiles1969able 7 months ago
when are the sheeple of NZ going to wake the fk up?? Vote this ass out, he's sold his soul to NWO...and is embracing its evil agenda in NZ.
NZmozzeegirl 8 months ago
another great video, respect
zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz 8 months ago
they call that value added and i like it we somehow need a tagline and a way to tie it in to nz,,like the aussie burger but maybe with the fur a self heating option rather than the coal fired electric option.blood n bone type product instead of synthetic fertilizer..a hook to get in the punters especially for the offshore market.export driven for foreign capital.reduce the debt at the same time,i see a clean biodynamic healthy soil future for new zealand
mike1control 8 months ago
i was just goin to use them as regrowth tools for the forest but hell yes if we can make a profit from the carcass to then its doubly sweet..its got to be all about the profit if my plan to rid nz of pests is to be implemented.screw paying for chemicals from some foreign multinational
mike1control 8 months ago
@mike1control
yes, well there's lots to be used from possums - fur, meat, ground up blood n bone for gardens...
NZtrillion 8 months ago
why not utelise the fur of the possums for profit put a bounty on the suckers
so people could get out into the wilderness and make a living create an industry around it.much like we could have with rabbits were it not for calicivirus,stoats ferrets likewise bounty and extinct them for the money and the native flora and fauna,surely we can borrow to pay for that maybe a real job creation scheme as opposed to the cycleway..whose with me make money out of wiping out these pests and drop the 1080!
mike1control 8 months ago
@mike1control
great idea!
get mcdonalds to make an aussie Burger, with minced possum patties. it'll be a big tourist attraction, cos possum is not edible in oz due to legal protection... NZ, The only place in the world to serve the Aussie Burger!
NZtrillion 8 months ago
Its well known that the possum is the mammal most resistant to 1080. When countries all over the world banned it, Nationals Ruth Richardson bought up the supplies and proceeded to push the use of 1080 on our country,She made a lot of money...Another corrupt nest lining National psychopath.
KTarnz 9 months ago
great footage showing smile n waves arrogance , no wonder Key holidays in Hawaii.
komodododo 9 months ago
@mike1control Buried it, eh? Sounds like the words of a conspiracy theorist to me. Believe what you want to believe by all means, but don't expect anyone else to believe you if all you've got to fall back on is rumour and rhetoric. Now go an drink a nice glass of flouridated water and be thankful that you might still have your own teeth by the time you're seventy.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie maybe.i was on a plane circling an erupting volcano and read the report over a guys shoulder thats the truth of it.i guess i had the opportunity to try an lift it he was obviously distracted looking out the window at this rather cool central north island volcanic spectacle.that said i wouldnt have got far on a small eagle air plane.he was flying to wellington to report to the govt of the day.thats the truth of it.now either call me a liar or disengage your beliefs and question.peace
mike1control 9 months ago
Yup. Science isn't that simple, mate. Sodium fluoroacetate occurs naturally in at least 40 plants in Australia, Brazil, and Africa. It was first identified in the poison leaf (Dichapetalum cymosum) by Marais in 1944....It is believed that the compound is even present in tea leaves in tiny amounts. (source= Wikipedia). Sodium's also in table salt. Fluoride is found naturally in low concentration in drinking water and foods. Acetic acid is in vinegar. So your point...?
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie the coolest thing about science to me is how new science obliterates old science just something that happens throughout history.remember that history thing .thats what we are meant to learn from so as to avoid repeating.
mike1control 9 months ago
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@MrErtvarkie table salt is poison.fluoride is poison vinegar has its uses one of which is as a poison,but hell if we are talking bout uses then wasnt it the nazi's that first put sodium fluoride an water together?
mike1control 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie
physical challenge - put a lump of 1080 into a glass (or if you are not that brave, a jug) of water, and drink it.
then come back to me with the results.
cheers and good luck!
p.s. why then is 1080 banned in most countries?
NZtrillion 9 months ago
@NZtrillion 1080 is banned in most countries because it is a highly-effective mammal poison. The only land mammals here in NZ (with the exception of our two native bats) are ones that are responsible for the loss of over 25 MILLION native bird eggs and chicks every year. Pretty simple really. Our unique ecosystems are also a lot more f*cked than most other countries', so we have to take more extreme measures.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@NZtrillion Why on Earth would I want to do that?!? No-one's disputing it's toxic FFS! I wouldn't drink shampoo or laundry detergent either. Besides, like birds and unlike possums, don't much like the taste of cinnamon. You need to put the risks into perspective. In the unlikely event a toxic bait fell into a stream, the sheer volume of water would dilute it beyond trace. Comparing this to a bait in a glass of water is absolutely pointless and just makes you look like a hysterical dick.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie
okay, so you do agree it's a toxic poison... that's one thing we both agree on then.
who do you work for?
NZtrillion 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie science generally is simple common sense answers.as in:first identified in a plant named 'poison leaf',so named for its propensity to poison,obviously there are more parts to the plants composition that just these molecules,which are a factor in their survival having evolved with the plant to protect it from some threat.however isolated/synthesized in the laboratory is somewhat different to nature i hope you would agree..Xx
mike1control 9 months ago
correct the punctuation for me please im a bit simple
mike1control 9 months ago
@mike1control I can't understand what you're trying to say. Please use better punctuation.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
that is a downright lie i have seen doc reports and govt reports detailing the kill rates of all mammals birds and reptiles in the urewera's more than a decade ago.the results stated quite clearly that 1080 killed kiwi falcon parrots et al it comes across.you are lying to the people check your facts
mike1control 9 months ago
@mike1control Err, can you show me this report?
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie err i think they buried it bub
mike1control 9 months ago
Finally, while I totally agree with your sentiments about NZ being far from 100% pure, I think you're exaggerating the danger of 1080. Used properly, 1080 is the most effective pest control tool we currently have, especially for inaccessible bush. It's ideal for use in NZ because birds, reptiles, fish and invertebrates (which make up the vast majority of NZ’s native fauna) are a lot less susceptible to 1080 than mammals. It is saving native wildlife, not killing it!
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie
why not use multi rat traps?
they attract, capture and house hundreds of rats alive in one location, until you go in and kill them all. that way you don't have smelly carcases inside the traps. 1080 is an expensive and lazy way to kill everything.
NZtrillion 9 months ago
@NZtrillion What about the the other pests such as possums who are too big to be trapped in large numbers effectively?
liam9895 9 months ago
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@NZtrillion What about the the other pests such as possums who it is impractical to trap in large numbers?
liam9895 9 months ago
@NZtrillion Expensive? Do you know how much it would cost to train up, insure and pay trappers to risk their lives trekking for hours or choppering into the backblocks? We have a tool available to us that is realatively cheap and highly effective. The risks to native wildlife are far smaller than the deerstalking/chemophobic/anti-establishment anti-1080 lobby try to make out - the results are the difference betwen survival and extinction for some of our rarest animals.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@NZtrillion But yes, I agree the development of a new self-resetting trap looks promising for some situations - once we overcome the issue of finding a reliable, long-life lure which attracts pests to the trap over a long period of time.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie "The other day upon the stair I saw a little man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today oh I wish he'd go way."
TheTruthChaser 9 months ago
Thirdly, cold-blooded animals such as fish and reptiles appear to be resistant to 1080 poisoning. Eels and crayfish quickly eliminate residues. Moreover, these species, together with aquatic plant organisms are unlikely to be exposed to 1080 because only very low concentrations are likely to occur in streams. Do a YouTube search on '1080 poison does not kill crayfish' if you want to find out more about the research that has gone into the effect of 1080 on freshwater ecosystems.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie appear to who to be resistant the manufacturers the end users.please justify this statement
mike1control 9 months ago
Secondly, in a worst case scenario where 50 kg of 1080 bait were accidentally dropped into a pond during an aerial operation, at most, 75 grams of poison would enter the water. If the pond was 100 square metres in area, with an average depth of one metre (so a pretty average farm pond), an adult would have to drink more than 400 litres of the pond water AT ONE TIME in order to receive a lethal dose. The toxion is very quickly metabolised by the body and doesn't accumulate.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
Firstly, 1080 (whose active ingredient, sodium fluoroacetate occurs naturally in over 40 species of plant, including TEA!) is biodegradable. In both water and soil, micro-organisms break it down into harmless natural by-products. It also dilutes rapidly in water. More than 2000 water samples have been taken after 1080 operations and the Ministry of Health’s town drinking water standards of two parts of 1080 per billion parts of water have NEVER been breached.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie so a chemical soup comprised of sodium(a poison)fluoride(a poison) and acetate(a poison or a source of coloured vinyl type material for records)is naturally occuring.cool.town water standards around the world to quantify things lets look at fluoridation and chlorine use and all else that goes into it.it aint the water i used to drink..it aint the water my body craves.you want to know the importance of water:google 'your body's many cries for water' or : Dr. Masaru Emoto.check it
mike1control 9 months ago
Comparing the risk of 1080 contaminating our waterways to the obvious problems of dirty dairying and sewage disposal is extremely disingenuous. There is absolutely NO evidence that 1080 pollutes waterways.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
sweet as bro, keep it up!
SquareEyesApp 9 months ago
Hahaha...that was a good edit dude. JKeys is delusional if he thinks its 100 % green. As if the poolution in the rivers isnt bad enough...whos gonna clean up the mess if petrobras search for oil off the east cape turns to shit? Not the "smiling ASSassin I bet!
Makinwaves02 9 months ago
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@NZtrillion I wouldn't have complained, they are you're videos to produce however you like, but I don't like the effect and think it detracts from the message as well.
adamshand 9 months ago
@adamshand
just on a 2nd thought - did you not get any message out of this?
the flickering boarder also acts as a distraction from the automated copyright machines that pick up material owned by others... although the BBC footage was picked up in this one.
NZtrillion 9 months ago
@NZtrillion hey, i got this reply but no others. sorry about the duplicate posts, youtube was telling me that my attempts to comment were unsuccessful so I tried a couple of times.
your point about the flickering border makes sense, that seems like a valid reason to continue to do it if it really does help. regardless, thanks for spreading the message.
cheers.
adamshand 9 months ago
@NZtrillion not at all, i think the message is great. just offering feedback on presentation.
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adamshand 9 months ago
nice message comanchero though sad for all the kiwi kaka kakariki et al that get stomped by the chemicals no survivors whoop whoop
mike1control 9 months ago
@mike1control 1080 has NEVER killed kiwi. 1080 is about the only thing standing between survival and extinction for the orange-fronted parakeet (our rarest kakariki species) - just look at what DOC are doing in the Hawdon Valley if you don't believe me. Similarly, a series of 1080 operations in the Waitutu Forest (Southland) has resulted in a booming population of kaka.
MrErtvarkie 9 months ago
@MrErtvarkie and a booming population of rodents after the mast year cant wait for the justification to poison more.
mike1control 9 months ago
the pointless "flickery cinema" filter makes this virtually unwatchable. If you are trying to get a message across, keep the signal clean!
acespacebase 9 months ago 2
@acespacebase yeah, I find it detracts a little too but its FAR from unwatchable
malkazoid 9 months ago
@acespacebase The message of the video is good but the flickery cinema is annoying to watch, I agree.
MrSPECTRUM7 9 months ago
I'm kind of glad I'm in California now. Even tho Gov't policy here is dodgy, that John Key fella is even worse
newzealanddude92 9 months ago