Viewed from a metaphorical viewpoint: It's the background screen upon which the movie takes place. That background of course never changes, just the events and characters in the film.
I understand all this intellectually, I am the awareness of this intellect, I am the awareness of this confusion, I am the awareness of my practice. There is nothing that needs to be done, anything done will just be a phenomena, I am the witness of this phenomena. I am not doing anything, I am the awareness of doing. Why is there speak of bondage in the mind? Why is this even an issue? Is the self pretending to be lost? Does it like to suffer?
mumuwu: Yes, the first person or ego or jiva does not exist. Only the Self (atman) or pure Consciousness/Awareness exists. When the first person called "I" is itself found not to have any existence at all then how can the second and third persons called he, she or they exist? Like you said there is only Self Awareness or Sat Chit Ananda. Anything else is taken to be real only because of non enquiry or non investigation.
So long as one thinks I am a bound one, thoughts of bondage and liberation will last. When looking into oneself by self investigation Who is this bound one?, the eternally free and ever-shining Self alone will (be found to) exist. Thus, where the thought of bondage no longer stands, can the thought of liberation still endure? - Forty verses, verse 39. Therefore for the real Self (atman) there is neither bondage nor liberation and as for the ego it never existed at all in the first place.
Only by the first person attention Who am I? will the right knowledge be gained that the ego, the first person, is ever non-existent, and only when the first person is thus annihilated will the truth be realized that bondage and liberation are false.
Bondage and liberation was for the ego or false I. But when it is found by the enquiry "Who am I?" that the ego was ever non existent then for whom is the problem of bondage or the freedom of liberation? quote per Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi
Being new to this particular approach to Self realisation,I feel this explaination to be very clear and useful-- to me--,maybe not to others who also feel they "know"
I can identify with some of the things he talks about like losing interest in worldly matters etc.How can you explain Truth?
to think that everything is one and that we are one and the same, that iam you and you are me, or that we are god, IS AN ILLUSION. Its called mayavadi philosophy which means the doctrine of illusion. MAYA means illusion and Vadi means propagator od or follower of illusion. One who is still speculating about The Absolute, but propagates it as if true,hence the vage flowery lenguage.
my friend you missed the point. You should never "think" that you are one wioth anyone. It is something you REALIZE. You cannot expalin it. I realize it. You should never force or fake the feeling of oneness, you would be disappointed
the thing is that you cant realize that you are God. it is an illusion. One can only imagine, that everyone including oneself is God, one can not realize it, because its an unworkable idea. That is why the many "followers" of these so called gurus like their gurus have no tangible real spiritual substance. They are in Maya "illusion" they imagine themselves to be The Supreme whilst having no power at all.
the only place you go wrong is that you think awakening has any effort or imagination in it: It is tiotally effortless, so I do not imagine anything. Do you think that there is an entity called God who is a creater, a Godhead? You are greatly mistaken. Even Papaji who was born at in a Hindu temple at the feet of the statue of krishna, he was born to worship Krishna from the time he could cry. And that is what he did all his life, only to be revealed to be one with everything, to his surprise
I am far from wrong, because all you say is the opposite from what Krishna proclaims in the Bhagavad Gita. Can you show Krishnas universal form, can you remember all life's of all souls past present and future? Krishna says He does. He also says that all souls are His eternal individual parts and parcels in quality one with Him but not in power or quantity. Not ones does He say in any of the important revealed scriptures that the individual soul and He are one and the same He says it is illusion
you may believe that you are on the right path and that I am the one who does not understand what you are on about, in truth I do. Krishna states that beyond the bright and beautiful Brahman effulgence of His, is the Lord Himself from whom this effulgence emanates. He says that He is the source
Yes. You are partly right. He who thinks he is Me is not. It is an illusion. Once you realize that natural state, then you do not think this anymore. You "see" it. Noone hase powers. Krishna did not show any powers, and it is history. He entered a cart driven by Arjuna to fight war, why did he not simply do it himself? Beware of the past, it can be poorly presented in books. Look at natural self yourself, at "you". This is all that matters. There you will find Lord Krishna
Lord Krishna showed lots of powers, the ancient Srimad Bhagavatam is full of those descriptions. His powers are to much to comprehend with our tiny brains. Krishna says to Arjuna "O conqueror of wealth, there is no truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread" The question why did He not do it Himself is easily answered but it takes more words then we have space for, my self identity as a beautiful pure spiritual soul is realized by definite direct perception
Devarsi is not MrBlackie and IpsaPaphum is not God, but there's a place where we all meet, where God's powers are just as insignificant as ours, however glorious they may be, they fall and rise in the eternal abyss of the godhead.
Lord Krishna And I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman which is immortal, imperishable and eternal and is the constitutional position of ultimate happiness.
Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna: The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal fragmental parts Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind. The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.
I read the Gita 12 years ago. I am from a Christian family, some of whom are catholic priests. I am glad that I am open and free. Release your attachment to religion and any philosophy, by looking at yourself.
But all what you say is exectly what I or you realize about me or you when we reach enlightenment or awakening. Even Papaji who was born to worship Krishna realized the same, after devoting his life to worhipping Krishna from birth till a very matured age. Then he suddenly awoke. Do not take the Bible or Bhagavad Gita literally. Both books point to you, yourself. Look at "you", and bypass all beliefs. Ther lies your reality. Even bypas my comments, and meet "you"!.
I am always amused to speak with those who think they are God and did not know before, they had to be told by someone. So ignorance was greater then God and God forgot that He was God. Krishna says in the Gita that the last snare of illusion for a conditioned soul is to think that he is on equal terms with God. He has absolutely non of gods power and is subject to birth old age disease and death, surrounded by a body made from chemicals and still he thinks "i m God and i am free"
What we are is always evident. It 'appears' obscured through ignorance. When the ignorance is gone, we see clearly what we are and always were, like the golden necklace we 'find' around our own neck. (Atma Bodha)
Viewed from a metaphorical viewpoint: It's the background screen upon which the movie takes place. That background of course never changes, just the events and characters in the film.
kwixotic 1 year ago
I understand all this intellectually, I am the awareness of this intellect, I am the awareness of this confusion, I am the awareness of my practice. There is nothing that needs to be done, anything done will just be a phenomena, I am the witness of this phenomena. I am not doing anything, I am the awareness of doing. Why is there speak of bondage in the mind? Why is this even an issue? Is the self pretending to be lost? Does it like to suffer?
THEGR8BIGM0UTH 1 year ago
mumuwu: Yes, the first person or ego or jiva does not exist. Only the Self (atman) or pure Consciousness/Awareness exists. When the first person called "I" is itself found not to have any existence at all then how can the second and third persons called he, she or they exist? Like you said there is only Self Awareness or Sat Chit Ananda. Anything else is taken to be real only because of non enquiry or non investigation.
prajna8 2 years ago
So long as one thinks I am a bound one, thoughts of bondage and liberation will last. When looking into oneself by self investigation Who is this bound one?, the eternally free and ever-shining Self alone will (be found to) exist. Thus, where the thought of bondage no longer stands, can the thought of liberation still endure? - Forty verses, verse 39. Therefore for the real Self (atman) there is neither bondage nor liberation and as for the ego it never existed at all in the first place.
prajna8 2 years ago
@prajna8 Do you have a PDF by chance of Bhagavans 40 verses? or know where to get one?
510shyt 2 years ago
I sent U a PM.
prajna8 2 years ago
Only by the first person attention Who am I? will the right knowledge be gained that the ego, the first person, is ever non-existent, and only when the first person is thus annihilated will the truth be realized that bondage and liberation are false.
Bondage and liberation was for the ego or false I. But when it is found by the enquiry "Who am I?" that the ego was ever non existent then for whom is the problem of bondage or the freedom of liberation? quote per Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi
prajna8 2 years ago
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prajna8 2 years ago
WHAT AM I ? never a response because I am PRIOR!!!!!!!!!!
swingtrade2 2 years ago
there is noone reading your comment. Noone writing it, no comment at all. No you.
mrcuteblackie 2 years ago
if you are what you seek then why did you have to seek in the first place? You should have known all along no?
devarsi 2 years ago
excellent master
mrcuteblackie 2 years ago
Being new to this particular approach to Self realisation,I feel this explaination to be very clear and useful-- to me--,maybe not to others who also feel they "know"
I can identify with some of the things he talks about like losing interest in worldly matters etc.How can you explain Truth?
eaglerock999 3 years ago
there is no one to answer the question!
dianaroo12 4 years ago
to think that everything is one and that we are one and the same, that iam you and you are me, or that we are god, IS AN ILLUSION. Its called mayavadi philosophy which means the doctrine of illusion. MAYA means illusion and Vadi means propagator od or follower of illusion. One who is still speculating about The Absolute, but propagates it as if true,hence the vage flowery lenguage.
devarsi 4 years ago
my friend you missed the point. You should never "think" that you are one wioth anyone. It is something you REALIZE. You cannot expalin it. I realize it. You should never force or fake the feeling of oneness, you would be disappointed
mrcuteblackie 2 years ago
the thing is that you cant realize that you are God. it is an illusion. One can only imagine, that everyone including oneself is God, one can not realize it, because its an unworkable idea. That is why the many "followers" of these so called gurus like their gurus have no tangible real spiritual substance. They are in Maya "illusion" they imagine themselves to be The Supreme whilst having no power at all.
devarsi 2 years ago
the only place you go wrong is that you think awakening has any effort or imagination in it: It is tiotally effortless, so I do not imagine anything. Do you think that there is an entity called God who is a creater, a Godhead? You are greatly mistaken. Even Papaji who was born at in a Hindu temple at the feet of the statue of krishna, he was born to worship Krishna from the time he could cry. And that is what he did all his life, only to be revealed to be one with everything, to his surprise
mrcuteblackie 2 years ago
I am far from wrong, because all you say is the opposite from what Krishna proclaims in the Bhagavad Gita. Can you show Krishnas universal form, can you remember all life's of all souls past present and future? Krishna says He does. He also says that all souls are His eternal individual parts and parcels in quality one with Him but not in power or quantity. Not ones does He say in any of the important revealed scriptures that the individual soul and He are one and the same He says it is illusion
devarsi 2 years ago
you may believe that you are on the right path and that I am the one who does not understand what you are on about, in truth I do. Krishna states that beyond the bright and beautiful Brahman effulgence of His, is the Lord Himself from whom this effulgence emanates. He says that He is the source
devarsi 2 years ago
Yes. You are partly right. He who thinks he is Me is not. It is an illusion. Once you realize that natural state, then you do not think this anymore. You "see" it. Noone hase powers. Krishna did not show any powers, and it is history. He entered a cart driven by Arjuna to fight war, why did he not simply do it himself? Beware of the past, it can be poorly presented in books. Look at natural self yourself, at "you". This is all that matters. There you will find Lord Krishna
mrcuteblackie 2 years ago
Lord Krishna showed lots of powers, the ancient Srimad Bhagavatam is full of those descriptions. His powers are to much to comprehend with our tiny brains. Krishna says to Arjuna "O conqueror of wealth, there is no truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread" The question why did He not do it Himself is easily answered but it takes more words then we have space for, my self identity as a beautiful pure spiritual soul is realized by definite direct perception
devarsi 2 years ago
Devarsi is not MrBlackie and IpsaPaphum is not God, but there's a place where we all meet, where God's powers are just as insignificant as ours, however glorious they may be, they fall and rise in the eternal abyss of the godhead.
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago
Bhagavad Gita
Lord Krishna And I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman which is immortal, imperishable and eternal and is the constitutional position of ultimate happiness.
Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna: The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal fragmental parts Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind. The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.
devarsi 2 years ago
get the Bhagavad Gita for free from my main page pdf download
devarsi 2 years ago
I read the Gita 12 years ago. I am from a Christian family, some of whom are catholic priests. I am glad that I am open and free. Release your attachment to religion and any philosophy, by looking at yourself.
mrcuteblackie 2 years ago
But all what you say is exectly what I or you realize about me or you when we reach enlightenment or awakening. Even Papaji who was born to worship Krishna realized the same, after devoting his life to worhipping Krishna from birth till a very matured age. Then he suddenly awoke. Do not take the Bible or Bhagavad Gita literally. Both books point to you, yourself. Look at "you", and bypass all beliefs. Ther lies your reality. Even bypas my comments, and meet "you"!.
mrcuteblackie 2 years ago
I am always amused to speak with those who think they are God and did not know before, they had to be told by someone. So ignorance was greater then God and God forgot that He was God. Krishna says in the Gita that the last snare of illusion for a conditioned soul is to think that he is on equal terms with God. He has absolutely non of gods power and is subject to birth old age disease and death, surrounded by a body made from chemicals and still he thinks "i m God and i am free"
devarsi 2 years ago
What we are is always evident. It 'appears' obscured through ignorance. When the ignorance is gone, we see clearly what we are and always were, like the golden necklace we 'find' around our own neck. (Atma Bodha)
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago
ah ha
goldenlotustattoo 4 years ago
His understanding is as clear as the sky..
Who is writing this? - I am.
Who am i?.
valergor 4 years ago
AWESOME!
se30vttt 4 years ago