To echo user Whatchagonad: "Scientology has opened the gates to a better World. *It is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion.* It is a body of knowledge which, when properly used, gives freedom and truth to the individual." -- pg 111; The Creation of Human Ability, A Handbook for Scientologists, L. Ron Hubbard, 1954 (emphasis mine).
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If this "body of knowledge" is such a blessing for all Humanity, why does one have to *pay* for it?
Scientology is for creepy fucking idiots, but I hope the members will ask themselves questions about their money and questions about scientology (Cult!!!) itself and not only about the reason why we live. For me are the most religions against a thinking individual. Anonymous rocks!!!!!
I like how he states the constitution as a defense...and how he has no right to call it a cult. When the first amendment gives him the right to call it a cult all day long.
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a cult as "a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members". Seems to me that Scientology fits this description pretty well.
Mwaw, don't blame the people. This criminal organisation (in most of Europa this criminal/terrorist cult is prohibited by law) seeks out people who are searching for understanding, someone that loves them. These people are weak. They are in need and these criminals know this and sort of give them on short term what these people want/need. Neh, the only one to blame are the criminals that take the money from these people and the superstars that get payed very good by them.
So if you don't agree with them they have hissy fits? L. R. Hubbard was a con man. Aleister Crowley called him out on it after he RUINED Jack Parson's life.
It does not matter if you are the most honest person on this earth, you will still have your integrity constantly challenged day after day. Imagine what that feels like. Imagine what it feels like to be constantly judged by females using your religion to speak down to you every day and in every situation. 20 years later if you leave this cult you will still be scarred. Honesty does not matter women will and can still treat you like you are beneath them. This cult ruined my life.
lol. A religion would not harass non believers in that way, its a blatant cult that needs to be exterminated for its ill presence and manipulative and destructive ways.
@multilegend93 It is a religion however; it possibly brings out the worst in religion in my opinion. we can label it cult in that it's much more vile than mainstream faiths, but c'mon "a religion would not harass non believers in that way"
there are still public beheadings in the middle east for apostasy. and crazed fundies much more closer to home can be an unpleasant lot themselves
@lzoli18B I know what you are saying, but as we know only parts of the middle east are still that extreme.
In my honest opinion all religions are pretty ignorant of modern society and where the world is heading. I am just saying that Scientology chooses to attack people in a manner that is not appropriate in western culture.
Wow, this kind of madness would only possible in the USA - a country where a CULT can be evade the law by saying that they have a "right to not be called a cult". Oh, we are terribly sorry Mr. Cultist ... er ...
@JoeAverage000 We'll only have this fabled 'NWO' when and if we people allow it. We do have power. We've used it before. Why isn't the USA a colony of the Commonwealth? That's just an example relevant to the case. What happened to the American spirit for rising up and getting things done? In Iowa I see revolt going strong, bt what about the long term - dangerous extensions of the American Corporatocracy like this cult? Or directly, the blatant corruption of all wings of national politics? FIGHT!
For all their money and sophistication, they have the worst PR ever. If their goal was to appear to the Panorama audience as a non-cult, non-threatening religion, what did they think they would accomplish by blatantly tracking Sweeney's hotel and travel? Why would they dispatch an emotional little man wearing reflective sunglasses for no purpose other than to have an outburst?
One can be a spiritual person without being a religious person. Once you start involving dogma, books, leaders, money... therein lies trouble. I, after exploring various religions for nearly 40 years, came up empty handed. I am, quite simply, agnostic. I'm not afraid to say I don't know the nature of ALL THAT IS. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. Peace to all.
Tommy Davis is right. The definition of religion is clear. From the Oxford English Dictionary : "Religion - noun - belief in the existence of a superhuman controlling power." As far as I know, Scientology does not believe in a superhuman controlling power. My verdict: CULT.
"I can't be responsible for my actions" Tommy Davis, Scientology. Now that is more than a "little bit creepy". Tommy Davis is so full of BULL. Scientology is supposed to teach you to be in control. Tommy blows it, and can not even control what he does! Tommy Davis, SP.
Tommy Davis is like a PC, Pre-Clear. He is so far down on the Tone scale. "Buddy, you got it. Right here. Right now. I'm angry. Real angry." Tommy Davis blows his head, and XENU wins again! Long live XENU!
BRAVO MR SWEENY!!!! YOU ARE A FANTASTIC JOURNALIST !!! Under the circumstances, you were actually remaining pretty cool. The TRUTH was not perverted. SCIENTOLOGY IS WHAT IT IS. WHAT WAS SHOWN ON ALL PANORAMA PGM'S ABOUT IT, DEPICTED ITS EXACT NATURE AND THE BEHAVIOR OF ITS FOLLOWERS & EX MEMBERS, BE THEY CELEBRITIES, OR NOT. BEWARE OF THE SCIENTOLOGY NIGHTMARE; ONE OF TWISTED LIES, HORRENDOUS ABUSE AND MOST SADLY OF MANY TEARS.
@Seffrii any religion that has a person in power is a cult religion is a common belief not a oo a person in charge and tells us whats right and whats wrong
well buddy you got it, right here right now, im angry... what a fucking loser... i wish scientologists werent told to not look at the media because they would see a very different side to things...
Scientology still preaches as a religion the exclussion of negative influences.. In short they fail to meet up with the diversity ethics demanded within modern western culture. Scientology and any other religion that practices social exclusion on the basis of faith are voilating the law and should be banned until they seek compliance with the same laws the rest of us find no difficulty adhering to.
1 a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object: a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
Scientology is not small, especially when compared to some off shoots of christian worship. In truth they are a religion.. continued
1 a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object: a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
Scientology is not small, especially when compared to some off shoots of christian worship. In truth they are a religion.. continued
@RazzaldG Where did you get the definition for cult that states "relatively small group of people?" I have done a lot of research on different cults and have never seen that definition anywhere. Can you please supply your source.
If you're going to cut and paste a definition you should really source it, because my dictionary lists the equivilent of the second sentence as a seperate example, not a portion of a fantastically bad run on sentence.
Maybe Davis' PA? Davis doesn't want to talk to the BBC, his assistant relays the message, Sweeney won't have it, Davis freaks out and fucks off to where his PA is waiting and leaves? Just a wild guess based on working in the entertainment industry: You rarely deal with the individual, their representatives do all of the work.
@kshackleton Emphasis on the word "tends" in my previous statement. It is a mixture of that and other sinister elements that prevent a person from escaping such an organization. Therefore, Catholicism is not a cult, neither is Christianity. However, organizations that claim to be offshoots of these offering "a different perspective" on the matter, or organizations outside of the official administration of the religion who carry out in sinister practices, are cults.
The Christian practice of telling people that they are created as damaged goods, destined for hell, by God's decree, unless they accept Jesus as their saviour, is a sinister practice. Christians lie to their own children, it's a sinister practice.
I am quite happy that the Christian Cult is a fantasy, a forgery. If it were true, it would be an abomination, an insult to human decency.
Another thing about cults....they tend to center around personalities....personalities that claim a direct line to the divine at least. These cult leaders often claim to be God's incarnation on earth.
How is Christianity anything other than a cult? It meets all the criteria of one.
Yes, and I heard today that the Salvation Army will not take book donations of Harry Potter and Twilight. No doubt they believe that Wizards, Vampires, and Werewolves are real and that they are instruments of Satan....who is also real.
@kshackleton Certain sects/branches (Branch Davidians, Sun Myung Moon) of Christianity DO follow the "cult" criteria. But other kinds of Christianity de-emphasize the personality aspect.
@kshackleton Here is one... the kind of Christianity espoused in Jack Chick tracts
Despite the fundamentalist nature, the Jack Chick brand of Christianity de-emphasizes the "personality" aspect, as in a living person being the "focus" of a religion. One tract clearly says that a "rich personality" preacher is against god's intentions.
@kshackleton The fact that he's been dead for thousands of years is totally relevant. Hyoomans have been interpreting what his words mean and have come to different conclusions on how this is for thousands of years. There is no oversight over what Christians do or what they believe.
This isn't so with Scientology. L. Ron ruled it with an iron fist until his death; after his death, his "church" retains the copyrights to everything, stifling rival organizations.
@kshackleton BTW, the real problem with Scientology doesn't lie with its beliefs, but with the "church"'s aggressive use of copyright laws to silence debate and dissent, its overall scheme to make money (one has to pay a lot of money or join the Sea Org to become a better Scientology), and its overall legalistic attitude. The Church of Scientology is a mafia and should be treated as such.
I completely agree that Scientology is a load of crap. It's a cult. What you describe about that cult can be applied to the Roman Catholic Church, for it behaved in exactly the same fashion for centuries. It is only with the Enlightenment that the mafia power of the RCC has been held in check.
@kshackleton Yes, the Catholic Church indeed acted the same way Scientology did in the Middle Ages. In my studies I found that the church leadership practiced hypocrisy, and it jealously tried to maintain its power above the power of secular leaders. Thanks to the Protestant Reformation, and as you stated, the Enlightenment, the church was rightfully put in its place.
The Protestants did exactly the same thing as the Catholics wherever the opportunity presented itself. The problem is in people holding strong [or absolute] beliefs on no evidence. If one thinks that he is acting in the interests of the Almighty, then if he has the power, he will exercise it....and everyone else will suffer greatly.
The proper place for all religions is in the home, banned from any and all political involvement completely.
@Vikkoman Okay, the tract in particular is "Four Angels" - In the story there four brothers - three go to hell, one goes to heaven. One of the guys who goes to hell becomes a wealthy, self-focused preacher
Also the Quakers, don't have a strictly hierarchical command with one man at the top
@kshackleton no, a cult is a secrecy, not like many religions that preach open understanding. They (other religions) are perfectly fine with criticism in the current age , and will not destroy your life if you do not agree with them. Cults are exclusive beliefs, versus open beliefs of many other religions. Look up the definition in its basic form. What religion do you know that bases their practice behind closed protected doors allowing no entry to people who are critical of them.
Religions are perfectly fine with criticism? Are you insane? The only religions that tolerate any form of criticism are those that have been beaten into submission by modern secular societies.
All religions even today demand that their members observe certain practices and prohibitions.
That is false, you simply redefine "cult" to suit your ends. There is no such thing as Darwinism, since there are no people who blindly follow the teachings of Darwin. Darwin's hypothesis of evolution by natural selection has proven to be very powerful. He did get quite a bit wrong though.
Atheism is not a cult, it has no dogmas, no central authority figure.
@kshackleton Actually, atheism has Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens as central authority figures, whether they hold actual literal positions in a literal organization or not. They are ideological thinkers who other atheists look up to and follow.
And Atheism does have many central dogmas, such as a belief that religion is responsible for many of the world's problems and we would have less wars without religions and that science can solve all including inherently philosophical questions
Dawkins and Hitchens certainly do speak on the subject, but their arguments are not based on personal authority. The do not demand that others believe them on pain of torture.
Dogmas are claims that are without support, demanded to be believed on authority alone. It is easy to demonstrate that religious, dogmatic belief is responsible for many of the world's ills. That's a fact, not a dogma.
The process of science is the only method which reliably creates knowledge.
@kshackleton ...for wars, by painting a picture of "our group vs them". Additionally, religious wars and conflicts, when examined, are far more complicated than disagreements about the supernatural. They involve conflicts of cultural practices, politics, and of families (ie you killed my uncle, so now I want to kill people in your group, etc). So, you see that blindly blaming belief in God for wars and world ills is LUDICROUS when you go in depth, and it is believed on authority alone
@kshackleton While atheism may have begun as a simple label for someone with a non belief in god, it has grown to become much more than that. And while it is not a religion or a cult, it is now an Ideology. And like all ideologies, it has inherent dogma.
This is why many people who do not believe in a literal god, such as Trey Parker and Matt Stone, but believe religion does have value, refuse to be labeled as Atheists and disagree with atheism.
I am an atheist because the claims of the religious do not stand up to scrutiny. They have failed to make their case. No claims of the supernatural have ever been substantiated. That is all it is to be an atheist, someone who does not accept the unsubstantiated claims of religious people.
@kshackleton Also, Hitchens and Dawkins do have authority now, because followers have given it to them. Additionally, it is dogmatic to claim all religious people and beliefs as a homogeneous "other" that needs to be eliminated. It is also dogmatic to conclude that religion alone contains dogma that leads to wars, rather than ALL IDEOLOGIES INCLUDING ATHEISM containing such dogma. From Democracy to Socialism and Communism, etc etc ideological systems have been exploited and used as excuses..
I would agree dogmas are not limited to religious ideologies. Political and economic ideologies can also be very dogmatic in their assertions. Atheism is not an ideology in the normal sense, it is a response to a claim rather than a claim in itself.
@kshackleton Dawkins and Hitchens have made claims, that religion and belief in God, not ideological dogma of all sorts or Man's inner "need" to group each other into simplistic and homogeneous tribes, is responsible for the world's ills, and the world would have less war and less fighting without religion. Fellow atheists ascribe to this claim.
Thus, there is inherent dogma. Especially since such a belief is hypocritical, and encourages further "us vs them" thinking, and further fighting
It's not dogma, it's reasoned logic. People fight over religion. Wars have been fought over it. If there was no religion, we'd have less to fight over.....so logically, there would be less fighting.
People have done really awful things when they believe that God is speaking to them. Without such beliefs, and the credulous morons who follow them, many atrocities would simply have never happened.
@kshackleton "People fight over religion. Wars have been fought over it. If there was no religion, we'd have less to fight over....." That's a gross oversimplification of the facts and of reality, and its sad you can't see that. People fought over IDEOLOGY, and religion was one of many excuses for every conflict. Without God, the same atrocities would have occurred, though through different reasoning. And heck, we've already seen this with Stalin, and with the psychos on the internet.
@kshackleton Man has an inherent need to simplify his world into groups in order to make the search for understanding of our existence easier, and an inherent want for power. The psychos will always be psychos. The power hungry always power hungry. The ignorant always ignorant. Getting rid of God will solve nothing. How much is muslim vs jew really about God, and how much is about politics and family history? Same for Ireland. Without God, the Holocaust still would have occurred. WAKEUP
@kshackleton Yeah, calling Hitler a Catholic who was indoctrinated with hatred of Jews is COMPLETELY inaccurate. For one, Hitler rarely if ever gave a religious reason for hating Jews. It was usually a class warfare and racial argument. Furthermore, Hitler advocated dismantling the church.
And people burned as witches? You can just come up with another reason to hate women. They're not staying in the kitchen and dare to challenge men, they had an abortion, etc etc
@kshackleton You seem to be having a rather difficult time understanding that an excuse is an excuse, and will just be substituted with another. Blame the fundamental dogmatic issues, not the excuses. Educate people that we all are not so different from each other, that we are all searching for the same things, and though we may have different ways we come at the world, we're not all that different. And there are no homogeneous groups. Then you'll solve the problem.
@kshackleton Continue to paint atheism as not only "the one and only perfect answer" but also religion as "a dangerous other that needs to be eradicated, an other where everyone is an extremist", continue to perpetuate the "us vs them" homogeneous group mentality, and lets see where we get. Keep thinking you are the one true way to enlightenment, and all others must be converted. That worked out oh so well in the past. Oh how myopic your vision is.
Here is the kicker. It does not matter if religion is beneficial or harmful. We should hold beliefs with a conviction that is in keeping with the likelihood that said belief is true....that's all.
There is no evidence at all, none, that any of the supernatural claims made by anyone, ever...are true. The claims are extremely unlikely to be true, and many are demonstrably false. Until claims of God are backed up by compelling evidence, atheist am I.
@kshackleton To take away religion or even just general belief in God (which can be personal and exist outside of organized religion mind you) is to take away the EXCUSE not the problem. The problem is oversimplifying people into groups, rather than looking at the complexity of issues (gee, who does this again?) which leads to anger and hatred, and us vs them mentality. When Atheism engages in such dogma, it perpetuates the problem and the anger, rather than solving it.
People have been burned as witches. Even if the real motive was to steal their peoperty....it would be rather more difficult to steal their property if they could not be accused of witchcraft. If nobody accepted that witchcraft was real, then it could not be used to murder old women in order to steal their property.
@kshackleton There is no dogma in not believing in a God. There IS INDEED Dogma in blaming belief in God for troubles of the world, because that tenant simply doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Atheism has grown to be much more about attacking belief in God than about a simple personal stance of nonbelief.
Also, many atheists miss the metaphorical power of myth, how it represents a search for philisophical understanding of our existence, and how many people need that to enrich their lives.
There is no conflict which cannot be made worse by the application of religion. I would agree that we humans have many tangible things to fight over, however, we also fight over ideas about whose god is right and powerful. To deny that dogma in general and religious dogma in particular has not been the source of much human misery is to deny plain facts.
The mouth movements are off. Im angry. REAL angry.
Synthbomb99 1 week ago
3:24 onwards, scientology got owned.
AllAroundTheSun 1 week ago
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6:31 give Tommy a Grammy LOL
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MrDICKHEAD28 1 week ago
join us resistance is futile
MrDICKHEAD28 1 week ago
@MrDICKHEAD28 are you serious?
AllAroundTheSun 1 week ago
@AllAroundTheSun LOL I thought that was Tom Cruise but no that some douchebag called Tommy Davis
MrDICKHEAD28 1 week ago
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OH HE MAD
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Why did they rip off the Christian cross? It should be meaningless to them since they don't have anything about crucifixion in their texts.
Christhefireshark 2 weeks ago
Cool-as-ice journalist!
felsner1 3 weeks ago
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utubekula 3 weeks ago
"i was wondering where you are, and you're here!"
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MrSystematica 1 month ago
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666redface 2 months ago 3
This British guy is awesome lol. I keep thinking Tommy is gonna blow his stack but then he does nothing lol.
chestveeg 2 months ago
@chestveeg no one is like the britis when it comes to this sort of things!! the Britis are almost unique.
themoss 1 month ago
he is actually very eloquent.
gwl9 2 months ago
I'd punch Tommy Davis SO hard in the face if he treated me like that, he'd have no front teeth left, trust me. CULTCUNT!
kuleebaba71 2 months ago 2
Of course scientology is a religion. Just a bit more stupid than most other religions.
hrmeyer 3 months ago
To echo user Whatchagonad: "Scientology has opened the gates to a better World. *It is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion.* It is a body of knowledge which, when properly used, gives freedom and truth to the individual." -- pg 111; The Creation of Human Ability, A Handbook for Scientologists, L. Ron Hubbard, 1954 (emphasis mine).
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If this "body of knowledge" is such a blessing for all Humanity, why does one have to *pay* for it?
recalibration 3 months ago
Why the fukk must Tommy sit there when John is interviewing the celebrities? Aren't they allowed to speak for themselves? It's just insane!
LarNor89 3 months ago in playlist Scientology Insanity
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Maybe we right?
David Icke - The Reptilians and the Moon
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Who Built the Moon (Matrix) ? p.1/
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And find out, who is David Icke, you will like him...
tthanmor 3 months ago
I'd love to get right in Tommy's face and say SCIENTOLOGY IS BULLSHIT- u mad now bro? xD
MageApocolyptia 3 months ago
a little creepy? its fucking stalking intimidation tactics..its extremely creepy
human0un 3 months ago
how badly do you want to just scream cult in his face
Henryguitar95 3 months ago
I'm a level 70 Warlock... I'd kick Tommy's ASS!
bigbuckchiken 4 months ago
That we Tommy gimper from the scientology cult was probably bullied at school. if not he should have been
megaman2000 4 months ago
if he had nothing to say to him then why the fuck was he waiting for him in his hotel
ElasticViper 5 months ago
they can come dont get dirt on my maby bad memorys but if you use them against them the can better spend theyr last week wiseley.
justmesince1994 5 months ago
Tommy's temper tantrum. lol
whynotminot1 5 months ago
While I do admire the help they give during disasters they are totally cunt-heads. Oops, I meant CULT heads! I can feel a fair game coming on...
TobiasJacobMoore 5 months ago
These fuckers have clearly never discovered AMWAY.
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higen 5 months ago
Scientology is for creepy fucking idiots, but I hope the members will ask themselves questions about their money and questions about scientology (Cult!!!) itself and not only about the reason why we live. For me are the most religions against a thinking individual. Anonymous rocks!!!!!
CarambaLux 6 months ago 2
I like how he states the constitution as a defense...and how he has no right to call it a cult. When the first amendment gives him the right to call it a cult all day long.
Campcouch 6 months ago
Cunts, I mean Cult.
Karlmcguiness 6 months ago 3
CULT!
lovesXtoXspoog 7 months ago
A million dollars those people spent? They have money but no brains.
cetnikz 7 months ago 2
lol there is a dianetics advertisement on the side of this video xDDD
souske25 7 months ago
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EffervescentFire 7 months ago 6
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a cult as "a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members". Seems to me that Scientology fits this description pretty well.
itskirstybetchx 7 months ago 3
@itskirstybetchx i concur
higen 5 months ago
He's angry, real angry! lol
UnifiedPerfection 7 months ago
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JokerJawz09 7 months ago
scientology BULLSHIT!! Tom Cruise retard!!!!! John Travolta looks italian!!
jadenyuki72 7 months ago
I'm angry, REAL angry !!
cannacoop 7 months ago
Somebody pleace shoot that Tommy faggot.
blah3479 8 months ago 3
It annoys me that people can be this deluded.
Parkwaykellar92 8 months ago
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Mwaw, don't blame the people. This criminal organisation (in most of Europa this criminal/terrorist cult is prohibited by law) seeks out people who are searching for understanding, someone that loves them. These people are weak. They are in need and these criminals know this and sort of give them on short term what these people want/need. Neh, the only one to blame are the criminals that take the money from these people and the superstars that get payed very good by them.
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Scientology&Evolution = Great deception masterpiece from Satan in the last day
"Repent&Believe only in Jesus before too late" or "Burn in hell for eternity"
fuckmania07 8 months ago
"I'm angry, real angry." Oh no, hear that? The POOF Tommy Davis is angry. Oh so scary. He looked about as intimidating as a queer Woody Allen.
ShadowACE1998 9 months ago 3
I don't know what's worse, Scientology or the fact that he's using a Mac at 1:12 o_0
Conquazar 9 months ago
So if you don't agree with them they have hissy fits? L. R. Hubbard was a con man. Aleister Crowley called him out on it after he RUINED Jack Parson's life.
swan156 9 months ago 2
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nickshel 9 months ago
Im angry .... real angry!!! HAHAHAHA
kedharf1 9 months ago 2
They should get together with the Westboro Baptist Church...
FranBMan22 9 months ago 25
It does not matter if you are the most honest person on this earth, you will still have your integrity constantly challenged day after day. Imagine what that feels like. Imagine what it feels like to be constantly judged by females using your religion to speak down to you every day and in every situation. 20 years later if you leave this cult you will still be scarred. Honesty does not matter women will and can still treat you like you are beneath them. This cult ruined my life.
aironeous 9 months ago
sound not syncing fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
xXTreaDXx 10 months ago
Tommy Davis, you're a brainwashed douche.
And $cientology is a cult. Cult, cult, cult, cult, cultilly-diddily-cult cult cult!
DrStrangebomb1993 10 months ago 2
so, i cant call this cult a cult? why? its still a cult
GAMESYSTEMHUNTER 10 months ago 4
they are not english and as such should be shipped out . cult scum
bigrider2806 10 months ago 3
Cult, cult, cult, cult cult, cult, cult, cult cult cult..... CUUUUUUUULT!!!!!
SittingDuckDK 10 months ago 3
lol. A religion would not harass non believers in that way, its a blatant cult that needs to be exterminated for its ill presence and manipulative and destructive ways.
Scientology is likened to a cancer.
It's a cult plain and simple. :L
multilegend93 10 months ago
@multilegend93 It is a religion however; it possibly brings out the worst in religion in my opinion. we can label it cult in that it's much more vile than mainstream faiths, but c'mon "a religion would not harass non believers in that way"
there are still public beheadings in the middle east for apostasy. and crazed fundies much more closer to home can be an unpleasant lot themselves
lzoli18B 10 months ago
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@lzoli18B I know what you are saying, but as we know only parts of the middle east are still that extreme.
In my honest opinion all religions are pretty ignorant of modern society and where the world is heading. I am just saying that Scientology chooses to attack people in a manner that is not appropriate in western culture.
Get your point though man, peace. :)
multilegend93 10 months ago
Wow, this kind of madness would only possible in the USA - a country where a CULT can be evade the law by saying that they have a "right to not be called a cult". Oh, we are terribly sorry Mr. Cultist ... er ...
WTF?
UberNoodleX 11 months ago
What if this is one of those things that lead to NWO.
JoeAverage000 11 months ago
@JoeAverage000 We'll only have this fabled 'NWO' when and if we people allow it. We do have power. We've used it before. Why isn't the USA a colony of the Commonwealth? That's just an example relevant to the case. What happened to the American spirit for rising up and getting things done? In Iowa I see revolt going strong, bt what about the long term - dangerous extensions of the American Corporatocracy like this cult? Or directly, the blatant corruption of all wings of national politics? FIGHT!
UberNoodleX 11 months ago
its not a cult!!!!
its a science!
it based on a science that if you publish a lot of crap ,
some stupid and desperate people believe it.
once some people believe these shit, they become
too lazy to think themselves.
atmark666 11 months ago
@atmark666 That's the same science that the government uses! Tried and tested!
UberNoodleX 11 months ago
@UberNoodleX That's the same reason Timothy McVeigh used! lol
atmark666 11 months ago
Cult!!!
darrenbeckley 11 months ago 69
@darrenbeckley ALL churches are cults. fuck em.
ivebeenrocked 4 months ago
@ivebeenrocked here here!
human0un 3 months ago
Any religion who asks for money is a shakedown artist and should fuck off
quicklern818 11 months ago
all those people in the church remind me of hitlers youth
deriaku75 11 months ago
For all their money and sophistication, they have the worst PR ever. If their goal was to appear to the Panorama audience as a non-cult, non-threatening religion, what did they think they would accomplish by blatantly tracking Sweeney's hotel and travel? Why would they dispatch an emotional little man wearing reflective sunglasses for no purpose other than to have an outburst?
BP had better PR than these guys.
MissCaitlin93 1 year ago
If you read my first message in part 1, then let me say again "I LOVE SOUTH PARK!!!!"
TYPHOOMASTER 1 year ago
This video has been off synced by the Church of Scientology
skimyy 1 year ago 4
@skimyy The feckers
killerskiely1 10 months ago
love how he says what he wants then walks away like a child. wants to talk but doesn't want to listen. obvious sign something is going on
linkage432 1 year ago
"IM ANGRY, REAL ANGRY !"
Yeah I can see that, thanks Tommy boy.
GRRRRRR
NGSFilms 1 year ago
One can be a spiritual person without being a religious person. Once you start involving dogma, books, leaders, money... therein lies trouble. I, after exploring various religions for nearly 40 years, came up empty handed. I am, quite simply, agnostic. I'm not afraid to say I don't know the nature of ALL THAT IS. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. Peace to all.
runly1 1 year ago
Tommy Davis is the biggest butthurt I've ever seen
yyy2255 1 year ago
Today though the BBC is so huge and powerful that they could completely crush scientology in one court case.
carlstss 1 year ago
fuck scientology and all their cultist pieces of shit
LouTheMetalhead 1 year ago 3
the bbc should wage war on scientology
filesunavailable 1 year ago
If you use that phrase one more time, I won't be responsible for my actions?
economistman 1 year ago
You've been spying on us and i find that creepy. Here's your microphone.
PWNED!
zackesposito 1 year ago
Tommy Davis is right. The definition of religion is clear. From the Oxford English Dictionary : "Religion - noun - belief in the existence of a superhuman controlling power." As far as I know, Scientology does not believe in a superhuman controlling power. My verdict: CULT.
weewulliebee 1 year ago
"Buddy, you got it. Right here. Right now. I'm angry. Real angry." thats got to come from some idiot movie, he is such a terrible actor.
hardercorky 1 year ago
That's just great. Get you off of drugs and then replace it with Scientology shit!
RATIONALMIND001 1 year ago
@RATIONALMIND001 Drugs are probably a healthy alternative to Scientology.
TheJerkinGherkin 1 year ago 38
"I can't be responsible for my actions" Tommy Davis, Scientology. Now that is more than a "little bit creepy". Tommy Davis is so full of BULL. Scientology is supposed to teach you to be in control. Tommy blows it, and can not even control what he does! Tommy Davis, SP.
gina463210 1 year ago
Tommy Davis is like a PC, Pre-Clear. He is so far down on the Tone scale. "Buddy, you got it. Right here. Right now. I'm angry. Real angry." Tommy Davis blows his head, and XENU wins again! Long live XENU!
gina463210 1 year ago
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BRAVO MR SWEENY!!!! YOU ARE A FANTASTIC JOURNALIST !!! Under the circumstances, you were actually remaining pretty cool. The TRUTH was not perverted. SCIENTOLOGY IS WHAT IT IS. WHAT WAS SHOWN ON ALL PANORAMA PGM'S ABOUT IT, DEPICTED ITS EXACT NATURE AND THE BEHAVIOR OF ITS FOLLOWERS & EX MEMBERS, BE THEY CELEBRITIES, OR NOT. BEWARE OF THE SCIENTOLOGY NIGHTMARE; ONE OF TWISTED LIES, HORRENDOUS ABUSE AND MOST SADLY OF MANY TEARS.
swisscheesemarilyn 1 year ago
All losers who fall for this deserve their money to be taken.
DrPepperNOW 1 year ago
Give him an answer Tommy instead of spitting your dummy out, you pretentious twat!
burnzgotshot 1 year ago
Tommy = douche
jposh707 1 year ago
anyone else think "Tommy" he's trying to look and sound more like tom cruise
wildvenisson 1 year ago 11
@wildvenisson Yeah I think that. I think that and that they're both major douches.
jposh707 1 year ago
This is so hilarious. The scientologist's reactions affirms the reporter's claims repeatedly.
fragilez 1 year ago 2
The perpetual searching of human beings for something that justify their existence...
f15r18 1 year ago
Science-fictiontology is the only way to salvation. I am convinced now!
Tippersnore 1 year ago
Tommy Davis is the best comedian ever! I love that "no I will not shake your hand" bit...classic!
ShakehandShake33 1 year ago 3
the constitution really doesnt apply anymore alien. i mean tomy.
anonwillprevail247 1 year ago
it´s a cult baby, you got it - right here, right now it´s a cult
Seffrii 1 year ago 4
@Seffrii any religion that has a person in power is a cult religion is a common belief not a oo a person in charge and tells us whats right and whats wrong
moneyjr1122 1 year ago
well buddy you got it, right here right now, im angry... what a fucking loser... i wish scientologists werent told to not look at the media because they would see a very different side to things...
JimmyTheKiller 1 year ago
Scientology is a cult is a cult
Scientology is a cult and I like waffles
615Deathdealer 1 year ago 13
Hey, Scientology, guess what?
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BLACKIESBOY 1 year ago 4
IT´s a cult
pinkqueston 1 year ago 4
fair game, is only two words, those two words just get changed.
redpillow100 1 year ago
Scientology still preaches as a religion the exclussion of negative influences.. In short they fail to meet up with the diversity ethics demanded within modern western culture. Scientology and any other religion that practices social exclusion on the basis of faith are voilating the law and should be banned until they seek compliance with the same laws the rest of us find no difficulty adhering to.
RazzaldG 1 year ago
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In truth scientology isn't a cult..
cult (cult)
1 a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object: a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
Scientology is not small, especially when compared to some off shoots of christian worship. In truth they are a religion.. continued
RazzaldG 1 year ago
In truth scientology isn't a cult..
cult (cult)
1 a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object: a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
Scientology is not small, especially when compared to some off shoots of christian worship. In truth they are a religion.. continued
RazzaldG 1 year ago
@RazzaldG Where did you get the definition for cult that states "relatively small group of people?" I have done a lot of research on different cults and have never seen that definition anywhere. Can you please supply your source.
carpenter3243 1 year ago
@RazzaldG
If you're going to cut and paste a definition you should really source it, because my dictionary lists the equivilent of the second sentence as a seperate example, not a portion of a fantastically bad run on sentence.
thegirl44 1 year ago
I cannot believe the hype over these NUTS. They are a CULT and thats that. Fuck them.
darrenmaccann1 1 year ago
Anyone else notice the black chick Sweeney was talking to...was the same person waiting for Tommy Davis across the road at the end of the clip?
Huh..
BelfastAtheist 1 year ago
@BelfastAtheist
Maybe Davis' PA? Davis doesn't want to talk to the BBC, his assistant relays the message, Sweeney won't have it, Davis freaks out and fucks off to where his PA is waiting and leaves? Just a wild guess based on working in the entertainment industry: You rarely deal with the individual, their representatives do all of the work.
thegirl44 1 year ago
LOL you can't be called "Tommy" and be taken seriously when you are "Real Angry"
Sidowse 1 year ago 2
make sure to watch the follow up, 'the secrets of Scientology"
florence99x 1 year ago 3
The horrible thing is, i'm rather worried to voice my opinions of this faith/sect, in fear of retribution...support anyone?
stivmitchell04 1 year ago
all religions are cults....period.
kshackleton 1 year ago 49
@kshackleton No they're not. A cult tends to be an organization that genuinely profits and gains money rather than just paying those who work for it.
tomthetabbycat 1 year ago
@kshackleton But scientology is a cult, true. So are lots of other "religions".
tomthetabbycat 1 year ago
@tomthetabbycat
Name one that isn't one. The difference between cults and religions is popularity. By your own description, the Roman Catholic Church is a cult.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton Emphasis on the word "tends" in my previous statement. It is a mixture of that and other sinister elements that prevent a person from escaping such an organization. Therefore, Catholicism is not a cult, neither is Christianity. However, organizations that claim to be offshoots of these offering "a different perspective" on the matter, or organizations outside of the official administration of the religion who carry out in sinister practices, are cults.
tomthetabbycat 1 year ago
@tomthetabbycat
The Christian practice of telling people that they are created as damaged goods, destined for hell, by God's decree, unless they accept Jesus as their saviour, is a sinister practice. Christians lie to their own children, it's a sinister practice.
I am quite happy that the Christian Cult is a fantasy, a forgery. If it were true, it would be an abomination, an insult to human decency.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@tomthetabbycat
Another thing about cults....they tend to center around personalities....personalities that claim a direct line to the divine at least. These cult leaders often claim to be God's incarnation on earth.
How is Christianity anything other than a cult? It meets all the criteria of one.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton You are exactly correct! Scary that this nonsense is going on in the USA in 2010.
RATIONALMIND001 1 year ago
@RATIONALMIND001
Yes, and I heard today that the Salvation Army will not take book donations of Harry Potter and Twilight. No doubt they believe that Wizards, Vampires, and Werewolves are real and that they are instruments of Satan....who is also real.
Fucking morons and their imaginary friends.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton Certain sects/branches (Branch Davidians, Sun Myung Moon) of Christianity DO follow the "cult" criteria. But other kinds of Christianity de-emphasize the personality aspect.
Vikkoman 1 year ago
@Vikkoman
Name one.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton Here is one... the kind of Christianity espoused in Jack Chick tracts
Despite the fundamentalist nature, the Jack Chick brand of Christianity de-emphasizes the "personality" aspect, as in a living person being the "focus" of a religion. One tract clearly says that a "rich personality" preacher is against god's intentions.
Vikkoman 1 year ago
@Vikkoman
And...Jesus was what again? A preacher in Palestine who claimed to be the incarnation of God?
It's a cult to the core. The fact that he is now dead is irrelevant.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton The fact that he's been dead for thousands of years is totally relevant. Hyoomans have been interpreting what his words mean and have come to different conclusions on how this is for thousands of years. There is no oversight over what Christians do or what they believe.
This isn't so with Scientology. L. Ron ruled it with an iron fist until his death; after his death, his "church" retains the copyrights to everything, stifling rival organizations.
Vikkoman 1 year ago
@kshackleton BTW, the real problem with Scientology doesn't lie with its beliefs, but with the "church"'s aggressive use of copyright laws to silence debate and dissent, its overall scheme to make money (one has to pay a lot of money or join the Sea Org to become a better Scientology), and its overall legalistic attitude. The Church of Scientology is a mafia and should be treated as such.
Vikkoman 1 year ago
@Vikkoman
I completely agree that Scientology is a load of crap. It's a cult. What you describe about that cult can be applied to the Roman Catholic Church, for it behaved in exactly the same fashion for centuries. It is only with the Enlightenment that the mafia power of the RCC has been held in check.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton Yes, the Catholic Church indeed acted the same way Scientology did in the Middle Ages. In my studies I found that the church leadership practiced hypocrisy, and it jealously tried to maintain its power above the power of secular leaders. Thanks to the Protestant Reformation, and as you stated, the Enlightenment, the church was rightfully put in its place.
Vikkoman 1 year ago
@Vikkoman
The Protestants did exactly the same thing as the Catholics wherever the opportunity presented itself. The problem is in people holding strong [or absolute] beliefs on no evidence. If one thinks that he is acting in the interests of the Almighty, then if he has the power, he will exercise it....and everyone else will suffer greatly.
The proper place for all religions is in the home, banned from any and all political involvement completely.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@Vikkoman Okay, the tract in particular is "Four Angels" - In the story there four brothers - three go to hell, one goes to heaven. One of the guys who goes to hell becomes a wealthy, self-focused preacher
Also the Quakers, don't have a strictly hierarchical command with one man at the top
Vikkoman 1 year ago
@kshackleton I agree i hate when Christians call Scientology a cult their religion is just a bat shit insane
greatestXhits 1 year ago
@greatestXhits - I think paying money to get religious enlightenment is more insane
Vikkoman 1 year ago
@kshackleton But not all are equally dangerous
Belikel 1 year ago
@Belikel
No, they are all simply wrong.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton no, a cult is a secrecy, not like many religions that preach open understanding. They (other religions) are perfectly fine with criticism in the current age , and will not destroy your life if you do not agree with them. Cults are exclusive beliefs, versus open beliefs of many other religions. Look up the definition in its basic form. What religion do you know that bases their practice behind closed protected doors allowing no entry to people who are critical of them.
ProfessorKaos64 1 year ago
@ProfessorKaos64
Religions are perfectly fine with criticism? Are you insane? The only religions that tolerate any form of criticism are those that have been beaten into submission by modern secular societies.
All religions even today demand that their members observe certain practices and prohibitions.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton Cuts are actually groups of people who follow the same thing, like KKK and Nazism.
Kixkaxia 1 year ago
@Kixkaxia
Cults have central dogmas [unsubstantiated beliefs that are commanded to be believed on faith] that typically centre around a personality.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton Darwinism itself is an atheist cult.
Kixkaxia 1 year ago
@Kixkaxia
That is false, you simply redefine "cult" to suit your ends. There is no such thing as Darwinism, since there are no people who blindly follow the teachings of Darwin. Darwin's hypothesis of evolution by natural selection has proven to be very powerful. He did get quite a bit wrong though.
Atheism is not a cult, it has no dogmas, no central authority figure.
kshackleton 1 year ago
@kshackleton Actually, atheism has Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens as central authority figures, whether they hold actual literal positions in a literal organization or not. They are ideological thinkers who other atheists look up to and follow.
And Atheism does have many central dogmas, such as a belief that religion is responsible for many of the world's problems and we would have less wars without religions and that science can solve all including inherently philosophical questions
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1
Dawkins and Hitchens certainly do speak on the subject, but their arguments are not based on personal authority. The do not demand that others believe them on pain of torture.
Dogmas are claims that are without support, demanded to be believed on authority alone. It is easy to demonstrate that religious, dogmatic belief is responsible for many of the world's ills. That's a fact, not a dogma.
The process of science is the only method which reliably creates knowledge.
kshackleton 11 months ago
@kshackleton ...for wars, by painting a picture of "our group vs them". Additionally, religious wars and conflicts, when examined, are far more complicated than disagreements about the supernatural. They involve conflicts of cultural practices, politics, and of families (ie you killed my uncle, so now I want to kill people in your group, etc). So, you see that blindly blaming belief in God for wars and world ills is LUDICROUS when you go in depth, and it is believed on authority alone
Pwells1 11 months ago
@kshackleton While atheism may have begun as a simple label for someone with a non belief in god, it has grown to become much more than that. And while it is not a religion or a cult, it is now an Ideology. And like all ideologies, it has inherent dogma.
This is why many people who do not believe in a literal god, such as Trey Parker and Matt Stone, but believe religion does have value, refuse to be labeled as Atheists and disagree with atheism.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1
I am an atheist because the claims of the religious do not stand up to scrutiny. They have failed to make their case. No claims of the supernatural have ever been substantiated. That is all it is to be an atheist, someone who does not accept the unsubstantiated claims of religious people.
There is no dogma in that.
kshackleton 11 months ago
@kshackleton Also, Hitchens and Dawkins do have authority now, because followers have given it to them. Additionally, it is dogmatic to claim all religious people and beliefs as a homogeneous "other" that needs to be eliminated. It is also dogmatic to conclude that religion alone contains dogma that leads to wars, rather than ALL IDEOLOGIES INCLUDING ATHEISM containing such dogma. From Democracy to Socialism and Communism, etc etc ideological systems have been exploited and used as excuses..
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1
I would agree dogmas are not limited to religious ideologies. Political and economic ideologies can also be very dogmatic in their assertions. Atheism is not an ideology in the normal sense, it is a response to a claim rather than a claim in itself.
kshackleton 11 months ago
@kshackleton Dawkins and Hitchens have made claims, that religion and belief in God, not ideological dogma of all sorts or Man's inner "need" to group each other into simplistic and homogeneous tribes, is responsible for the world's ills, and the world would have less war and less fighting without religion. Fellow atheists ascribe to this claim.
Thus, there is inherent dogma. Especially since such a belief is hypocritical, and encourages further "us vs them" thinking, and further fighting
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1
It's not dogma, it's reasoned logic. People fight over religion. Wars have been fought over it. If there was no religion, we'd have less to fight over.....so logically, there would be less fighting.
People have done really awful things when they believe that God is speaking to them. Without such beliefs, and the credulous morons who follow them, many atrocities would simply have never happened.
That's not dogma, that's a reasoned argument.
kshackleton 11 months ago
@kshackleton "People fight over religion. Wars have been fought over it. If there was no religion, we'd have less to fight over....." That's a gross oversimplification of the facts and of reality, and its sad you can't see that. People fought over IDEOLOGY, and religion was one of many excuses for every conflict. Without God, the same atrocities would have occurred, though through different reasoning. And heck, we've already seen this with Stalin, and with the psychos on the internet.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@kshackleton Man has an inherent need to simplify his world into groups in order to make the search for understanding of our existence easier, and an inherent want for power. The psychos will always be psychos. The power hungry always power hungry. The ignorant always ignorant. Getting rid of God will solve nothing. How much is muslim vs jew really about God, and how much is about politics and family history? Same for Ireland. Without God, the Holocaust still would have occurred. WAKEUP
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1
The holocaust would have been far less likely if:
1. The Church had not railed against Jews in Europe for 1500 years.
2. If Hitler was not a Catholic who was indoctrinated in the Catholic hatred of Jews.
kshackleton 11 months ago
@kshackleton Yeah, calling Hitler a Catholic who was indoctrinated with hatred of Jews is COMPLETELY inaccurate. For one, Hitler rarely if ever gave a religious reason for hating Jews. It was usually a class warfare and racial argument. Furthermore, Hitler advocated dismantling the church.
And people burned as witches? You can just come up with another reason to hate women. They're not staying in the kitchen and dare to challenge men, they had an abortion, etc etc
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1
You seem to be having a rather difficult time understanding the distinction between "caused by" and "made worse by".
kshackleton 11 months ago
@kshackleton You seem to be having a rather difficult time understanding that an excuse is an excuse, and will just be substituted with another. Blame the fundamental dogmatic issues, not the excuses. Educate people that we all are not so different from each other, that we are all searching for the same things, and though we may have different ways we come at the world, we're not all that different. And there are no homogeneous groups. Then you'll solve the problem.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@kshackleton Continue to paint atheism as not only "the one and only perfect answer" but also religion as "a dangerous other that needs to be eradicated, an other where everyone is an extremist", continue to perpetuate the "us vs them" homogeneous group mentality, and lets see where we get. Keep thinking you are the one true way to enlightenment, and all others must be converted. That worked out oh so well in the past. Oh how myopic your vision is.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1
I painted no such thing.
Here is the kicker. It does not matter if religion is beneficial or harmful. We should hold beliefs with a conviction that is in keeping with the likelihood that said belief is true....that's all.
There is no evidence at all, none, that any of the supernatural claims made by anyone, ever...are true. The claims are extremely unlikely to be true, and many are demonstrably false. Until claims of God are backed up by compelling evidence, atheist am I.
kshackleton 11 months ago
@kshackleton To take away religion or even just general belief in God (which can be personal and exist outside of organized religion mind you) is to take away the EXCUSE not the problem. The problem is oversimplifying people into groups, rather than looking at the complexity of issues (gee, who does this again?) which leads to anger and hatred, and us vs them mentality. When Atheism engages in such dogma, it perpetuates the problem and the anger, rather than solving it.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1
People have been burned as witches. Even if the real motive was to steal their peoperty....it would be rather more difficult to steal their property if they could not be accused of witchcraft. If nobody accepted that witchcraft was real, then it could not be used to murder old women in order to steal their property.
kshackleton 11 months ago
@kshackleton There is no dogma in not believing in a God. There IS INDEED Dogma in blaming belief in God for troubles of the world, because that tenant simply doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Atheism has grown to be much more about attacking belief in God than about a simple personal stance of nonbelief.
Also, many atheists miss the metaphorical power of myth, how it represents a search for philisophical understanding of our existence, and how many people need that to enrich their lives.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1
There is no conflict which cannot be made worse by the application of religion. I would agree that we humans have many tangible things to fight over, however, we also fight over ideas about whose god is right and powerful. To deny that dogma in general and religious dogma in particular has not been the source of much human misery is to deny plain facts.
kshackleton 11 months ago